Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Steelers host QB prospect, Pittsburgh Draft Needs, Browns Culture Changing?

22:41James Harrison:beef up we need to beef up the offensive line brother yes because the those dudes they are better when the offensive line is better like you your receivers you need your quarterback to be protected, you're going to need time. So no matter what, if DK out there and whoever quarterback's getting hit upside the head is not having time to throw the ball, it's not going to look as good. So run, run, run, line. Establish it. Single high. If we sitting there too high, we can't run the ball. Now it doesn't matter. Nobody's going to be open. They're sitting back there covered. Both safeties over the top because we can't run the ball because somebody's getting beat in the middle, losing the one-on-ones.

23:21James Harrison:No. It needs to be first and ten. to second and four. You know what I'm saying? Second and three, don't run it for seven if you got too high, you're tripping. You got to put one down in there and now Pittman, DK, now work on them. We got one-on-ones outside. Now it's time to work and that makes it so much easier. Like, it doesn't have to be a difficult game for the Steelers. Play great defense, control the clock. Like, when I was listening to Heath, I was like, yeah. I mean, I was like, yes, Miller. I was like, yes. You sound exactly like what the Steelers need to do now. What Big Ben came into, like, it sounds easy, but yes, we're trying to get that established.

24:00James Harrison:Defense, don't give up the points. You know what I'm saying? Like, we have the balls out there. We're making the most money in the league. Let's show it. I'm not saying y 'all can't do it, but every time there shouldn't just be people running scot-free. No, y 'all make plays. No bust. We're too professional. We're grown men out here. Everybody, be accountable for your job and we can have an elite defense. Legit. Boom. Offense. Tote the rock. We got this young quarterback or it's A-Rod, whoever it is. We're running the ball. We're scoring touchdowns, toting it down their throat. There's nothing they can do.

24:32You know what I'm saying? You get the benefit of having an actual, you know, offensive line that can be very good to dominant in the run game and run blocking. Even if they aren't the greatest at pass blocking, but they are great at run blocking, that's going to open up everything. because like you said, you got to bring down that safety. Now you got the eight and the nine. Now you hit them with the play action pass. You don't care. You ain't got to really care about nothing because they're not pinning their ears back on second and three, on, you know, third and one. They're looking for it. Now go and hit them over their head.

25:07Same thing, the play action now comes into effect. Now you can get in situations where, hell, it's first down. You've been running on first down every play for the last, you know, three, four series, five series, whatever it may be. And now on this first down, you play action them and hit them for 30, 40 yards over the top. Thousand percent. Yeah, offensive line, huge, big, has to be, especially if we want to run the ball effectively and be in the top. I want to be like in the top, like three to five in the run game.

25:38James Harrison:Brother, that's the way you establish your dominance. Control the clock. You're not, people not out there all the time. Defense is taking a breather. You go out there, get a quick three and out. Offense going to hold the ball seven minutes. March that jump down, get some points. Now you get two three and outs, it's down to halftime. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You sitting on the ball, not in a bad way. Six minutes, couple six-minute drives. Come on, bro. A couple six-minute drives. It's halftime. You up 14-0. Everybody's chilling. That's the kind of games that we want to have. Listen, listen, bro.

26:13Speaking of running the ball. Still is running back Jalen Warren he's training by I don't even know Is this a goal? Dude look

26:25James Harrison:What you got going on? He doing one of them wild workouts Oh mess

26:33James Harrison:See I mean You know He's working I understand he's working But like you said you know what Debo you said You could get it done on a sled It's just like the sled with how much that weighs 200. You can put that same thing. You can put 200 pound jumps on the sled. And you feel like you're doing the same thing. But I see he's outside working with the elements. He might not have the sled. He just flipped over the goalposts. You know what I'm saying? He going to get it in. He's just letting us know. He going to get it in regardless. But I feel you. If it's 200 pounds, you're pulling 200. But he's working.

27:09James Harrison:I'd love to see it. I ain't going to lie, man. I don't know. I feel like something could go wrong with this goalpost, brother. Okay, no, okay, okay. I don't know. It just don't look like it's the safest thing. Plus, you see how he starts off slow to make sure it ain't going to do something? You know what I'm saying? You hit that sled, it's, uh, uh, uh. You know what I'm saying? You getting up out of there. And you could pull more. You could load a sled up. Dude, I had one sled loaded up to almost 2 ,000 pounds. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know. it's a lot it's a lot safer you know I like the I like the work though like you said I like the work I like the work I'm here for you know what I'm saying I love where he's working I'm here for the work listen listen I understand where it's at I understand where it's at it was easier for him to just use the goal post than it was because he would have to bring all that he had to bring all that weights all that reel it all out that he's at a soccer field all you gotta do is put your joint over.

28:11James Harrison:I'm using what I got. Yeah. Okay. I'm hoping he got permission from them folks because, you know, they're going to be like, yo, you done scrapped up our goalposts, man. See. We're going to need you to do something about that, man. You done messed up our field and all that, buddy. See, the way I think, hopefully they still his fans. Hopefully he got prior, you know what I'm saying, you know, before he goes. He asked them, oh, yeah, he got permission. Is it okay if I come? Got permission. Yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully. Hopefully. If not, you might have to go ahead and get him a new little goalpost.

28:48James Harrison:Got to pay for a goalpost. Look, I ain't going to lie to you, though. What's going to help him, we talking while we talking about him, he's going to be toting that rock, Deebo. Yes. That's all I know. He's going to be toting that rock. Rico Dotto is going to be toting that rock. So what they need to do is get some linemen, like we were talking about, to make sure there's a little bit more open holes. So as soon as they get it, they ain't got to make the first man miss, and now we're just trying to get to two. No, we need you to get to the backers. We need you to get there. We need you to have four yards before you get touched.

29:16James Harrison:Now get busy. Ooh, that's ugly. You know what I'm saying? That's what... You get like that, they're going to be putting 10 in the box, baby. That's what I'm saying. Now we got zero blitz. They're going to be putting 10 in the box. It's going to be... That's the goal. That's the goal. That's what I'm looking forward to. If you want to establish dominance, that's what you got to do.

29:38it's going over here to your brownies man yes sir yes sir so the browns may not miss your guy jim schwartz as much as the fans expect uh i guess your starting quarterback yeah mama good man tyson tyson campbell says browns are in good hands with mike ruttenberg rutting off the rip he brings a lot of energy a lot of passion and that's what you want out of your D coordinator, a guy that brings a lot of energy and passion to the group and all about team camaraderie, 11 guys playing as one on the field and rooting for each other. Braces, you bring in that type of positive energy in the room. It's so addictive.

30:31What does this mean? They about to take off. They feel like they done made friends and they got this nice camaraderie going on and they all bought in. And I mean, defense is already good.

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33:17James Harrison:Running around, flying around. He's bringing this energy. Because obviously, Jim Schwartz not being there, that's a big thing. Defense was great. He's gone. So they like this. Why would y 'all get rid of a good thing already? He wanted to be the head coach. It's a whole situation going on. So as my man Tyson speaking, he's going to be our new corner, starting corner. He's letting them know. I like the vibes. He's coming in with the energy. That's just what you're supposed to say, you know. So obviously, I'm just hoping when we get on the field, the communication, the flying around. And he's saying like everybody, I think that's meaning like, you know, you want dudes to beat.

33:52James Harrison:When you see a dude make a play, just be happy for your teammates, all that stuff. normal things that DBs, that coaches say. But for Tyson, I just think he's just trying to keep the ship cool. Like, yes, we're all rocking with the coach. He's bringing the energy. He's bringing the vibes. But like I said, the only thing that's going to matter is if dudes are running scot-free on defense, none of this is going to matter. Do you know what I'm saying? Like he's meeting the D coordinator. Oh, he's giving us good vibes. Okay. All right. Hope the plays are good. Hopefully the communication is right because we'll be able to judge it from the field, but right now when he meets the coach, when you see him, he can just give him what he knows.

34:26James Harrison:And I appreciate him for being like, yeah, boom, vibes was good, solid. He's about team. He's about flying around. Good. We'll be able to really judge what it's looking like if dudes are running wide open or not. If y 'all are really still top defense like Jim Schwartz was, you see people running around. Is it communication? Is it now y 'all just getting beat? You know what I'm saying? So I'll be able to get to the tape then. But what he's saying right now is just, yes, energy's addictive when you have a good coach just come through hype. You know what I'm saying? Some people feed off it, some people don't.

34:54James Harrison:You are more like, it don't matter. I just need you to let me know what I'm doing and where I'm going. With Tyson, I could like a coach like that just with the vibes. Some dude, doesn't matter. Either way, I'm going to just make sure, make sure you let me know what I'm doing and when I'm doing it, I don't care about what your vibes are. You know what I'm saying? So it's just his opinion, but now I'm like, when we get out to the field, we'll see how the X's and O's look. Yeah. Yeah. I ain't really got nothing really to add to that one, buddy. You said enough of it. But your boy Todd Munger said there's only one way to change the narrative of the Browns franchise, baby.

35:36And that is winning. Winning changes everything, he said. Winning changes everything, right? I told coaches the other day, right? Okay. Or play well. How does a player stop the narrative? Play well. How do we stop the narrative on offense? Score. How do we stop the narrative of winning? Win. Change the narrative. Become that. That is what we have to do. It's real simple. Joe. Yeah. He hasn't had a head coach that finished his tenure with a winning record since old Marty Schottenheimer. in 1989, 88, 84 to 88. He went from 84 to 88. That's before you was born, Joe. You know what's so crazy, Joe, is 80, I want to say 86.

36:31That's crazy. 86 and 87. It was Denver. Lost to them. AFC Championship game, back-to-back years. I remember that. How the hell do I remember that? I wasn't even born then. That's crazy. But I remember that, Joe. Because I'm 37 like you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 47. Yeah. But I remember that, Joe. And that was like, dang, that was crazy. But anyway, do you think the winning is going to?

37:02James Harrison:What do you think, Debo? What do you think about what my coach said for my good Browns? No. What you think about what Todd Moka just said? Now listen. Now listen. now winning winning yes winning changes everything that's what hold up Joe hold up Joe all right keep going but winning at the Browns isn't the same as winning somewhere else because see Kevin Stefanski He won in 2020, 11-5, went 1-1 in the playoffs, barely lost to Kansas City, as Jarvis had told us just recently. And then in 23, it was 11-6, made the playoffs. Yeah. But ain't winning that time. Got dog walked by Houston. So, I'm not going to say winning for the Cleveland Browns is going to change it all.

38:12I'm going to say, now, if I was a Cleveland fan, let me revert back to like 87.

38:18James Harrison:Yes, come on. There we go. Get with me. Get with me real quick. Be a Browns fan with me. 87. 87. When I was a child, when I thought as a child, and I reasoned as a child, this is what I think has to change for the whole culture of the Browns to change. Okay. The consistency of winning back to back to back to back to back. Okay? Okay. Now, if by some miracle, the Browns would be able to, say, do three in a row playoff runs where they were to win at least one game, one playoff game, each of those three years. And at some point during that run, they will only have to make it to the AFC title. Just an appearance.

39:23I ain't saying they got to win it. Just an appearance. I believe that would change the narrative and the culture because now it's actively being changed with the players who are coming in, But the players who are there and the players who are used to the old getting their face kicked in are being pushed out now. So if you were able to get, say, three consecutive playoff appearances, you got three years of guys that came in now that don't know what it's like to not make the playoffs, don't know what it's like to not win. You building a culture they're seeing and they're coming through and building that into, oh, we are the Cleveland Browns and we go to the playoffs.

40:12We win playoff games. We fight to have a chance to go for a Lombardi. I believe that's the only way you truly can change. that whole narrative is you're starting with guys coming in and they're being shown and it's being pushed through and you're actually putting the work out there you're getting the wins you're in the playoffs you're pushing through the playoffs but it has to be back to back to back to where now it's just like yo this is what we do this is what we do what we do but let me tell you this right now. I was saying that as a Browns fan, but in all transparency, okay, I want you to know, I hope the Browns never, never, never, never, never, never ever get there.

41:00James Harrison:I hear what you said, but I'm going to take for what you said at the first part. And that's what you meant. That's your 87 Browns fan. Oh, okay. And I'm going to take that part. When I was eight, nine years old. When you were a child. Okay. Whatever you say. This one I'm going to say, D-Bone. I think the Browns, what he said, winning for sure. But you have to have consistency of keeping your players, re-signing your good players, not letting your guys just walk out of there. Because when you draft good and it's time to pay them, you have to pay them because they're going to go be good somewhere else.

41:39James Harrison:Like this is homegrown talent. And when you see the other players that you ended up drafting, they see, man, when you actually like perform here, they treat in-house like in-house. And it makes you start to actually feel, not like feel like a family, but like you said, when you play with a group of dudes for seven years, eight years, you got those contracts together. You went to their weddings. You actually like spend time with them during the off seasons. It's not just like when you come to a team, it's a new set of dudes. It's like my core guys, I've been kicking it with these dudes for years.

42:10James Harrison:We actually do love each other. We actually do have a bond and a relationship and a friendship. So I would say they got to start with, when I was there, they let go, me, TJ Ward, Tashaun Gibson, Buster Screen, players that ended up having to leave, you could have re-signed them for a little bit of money. Like nothing crazy. They went out to free agency and signed regular contracts. You know what I'm saying? Like you have to keep these players, like you have building blocks. You're starting two corners. You're starting two safeties. Re-sign them if they're in their Pro Bowl players. Not like you just you drafted a baller, resign them because you drafted them like you do that.

42:45James Harrison:So keep your homegrown talent. I would say if you do that, that's the biggest that's not not the biggest thing, but that's something where that's going to help your team start being together. And then that's when these do start winning. You have draft classes on top of each other that are staying there and are balling and seeing what's going on. They start to learn from the vets that were been there and seeing the change in the changes that's happening. So what you're saying is exactly right but for me too i'm just like the consistency of keeping your players re-signing your homegrown talent not feeling like you need to get in for cheap no sign them keep them because they did you drafted them to to be what they are ended up being now it's time to get paid so pam keep your keep your crew keep your team together as long as you can for the good ones so i i would think that was my main thing i would say with the browns because if you do that then that's when your teams are starting to like really they they win together they go do stuff together so i know you You got high praise for Andrew Barry right now, or at least a higher level of praise.

43:46Do you think he's a guy that would be smart enough or foresee him being able to be like, yo, I see these guys work well together and just keeping that group together and doing what's necessary to make sure they keep that bond? If you guys were able to stack, stack, stack, you know.

44:05James Harrison:What happened with me was when we did, I think they started doing it. When the first, they kind of got rid of everybody. I was the last one to fall. And then they started getting talent. They did get Jarvis Landry. They got Odell Beckham Jr. They had Nick Chubb. They had my man, Chief, the tight end. You know what I'm saying? They had players. Baker Mayfield was the quarterback. And that was when they took the big swing of signing for 250. So I'm not saying, he's trying to, when that was happening, I'm like, okay, you're bringing talent. You're bringing talent on. That's cool. I just would have wished there if they would have kept Baker Mayfield.

44:38James Harrison:signed up for 100 instead of getting to 250. But hindsight is 20-20. At that time, Deshaun Watson was a baller. If he would have came to the team and been the Deshaun Watson, now I'm looking at the Browns like, okay, y 'all are trying to move in the right direction, bringing in talent, bringing in players. So that wasn't – when they let me go, I started looking at them like, okay, Andrew Barry, you're actually not – you're bringing in ballers. If you did think I was a little bit older, time to take a pay cut, that's your decision. It's wrong in my opinion, but you're bringing in players. You drafted Denzel Ward after that.

45:09James Harrison:oh my goodness, that's perfect. That dude has been a five-time pro bowler. He's amazing. He's still there. Miles Garrett is still there. The great ones that they have, they still got them there. Joe Bentonio, the lineman, he just left, but they started doing... Why are they paying? I don't know. I think now he's Joe Bentonio, what they hit me with. Maybe, I don't know now, we got to get some younger blood. You know what I'm saying? I love you to death, Joe. That's probably what Andrew's on. But I'm not mad at him now because I'm looking at it like, okay, I'm at least seeing that you're trying to bring talent.

45:43James Harrison:Now let's see if we can keep the talent. Junkins, the new running back we got, the tight end. Let's see how this goes, this draft. Bring in some more ballers. We got Shador. I like him. Give him some help on the outside. Let's see if we actually do have a quarterback here. You know what I'm saying? So I'm liking the talent. Just keep, let's see what's going to happen. So I'm not mad at it, but that's kind of how I'm feeling. Mm-hmm. but again, again, I don't, I don't see. 87 Debo, 87 Debo. Okay. All right. Let's, no, hell no. You know what, man? I'll let you, I'll let you have it. Let's go. All right.

46:24Let's, let's, let's see the Browns do something, you know, you know, that's your birthday gift. I'm actually go be like, okay, the Browns could do something. Maybe.

46:32James Harrison:This is the thing too. We got, we still got time. We don't have to say that it's going to be terrible right now. We still got the draft. We got OTAs. We got training camp. They got to do it on the field. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to be blind to like, oh, no, like, Brown, just, you got to go out there and hoop. I'm going to say if Shador's balling, if he's not looking like he's supposed to, when we get the draft, who do we bring in? Are these going to be good pieces? You know what I'm saying? So we still got time, but I'm optimistic. Okay. Okay. I'm going to be optimistic just for the day because it's your birthday.

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