In short
Debo and Joe (Part 1) is a sports-focused episode centered on NFL roster-building and quarterback debates, with heavy Pittsburgh/Cleveland framing. Debo says he’s coaching his sons’ flag football teams (Cleveland Browns for his Cleveland-born son; Pittsburgh Steelers for his Steelers-loving son) and uses that as a springboard for Steelers optimism. Key claim: ESPN ranking the Steelers No. 1 in offseason moves is “finally” catching up, but the hosts argue Pittsburgh’s GM Omar Khan is “cooking” by addressing needs first—receiver (Pittman Jr.), running back (Riddle), defensive back (Asante Jr., plus Dean and Brisker), and defensive line (Sebastian Joseph-Day), while keeping quarterback expectations modest. Notable example: they discuss Cleveland’s contract tweak for Myles Garrett, delaying a roster bonus to keep trade options open, and debate whether Dallas would offer two firsts (or two firsts and a third). Guest discussion: Mel Kiper backing Shadour Sanders over Ty Simpson; Joe Hayden argues Shadour’s fifth-round slide didn’t change his talent evaluation and that a full offseason could make him the Browns’ future starter.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VODebo's Coaching Experience
5:00 to 7:45
Debo discusses coaching his sons' flag football teams and their interests.
“Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your show.”
Sibling Sports Interests
7:45 to 9:10
Discussion on the differences in sports interest between Debo's sons.
“He's just trying to catch it over the shoulder.”
Steelers Ranking Insights
9:10 to 12:00
Debo and Joe analyze the Steelers being ranked as the top team.
“No, I'm just saying like, you know, you said your other son.”
Team Building Strategies
12:00 to 14:05
Discussion on the Steelers' strategy for building a competitive team.
“That was the epiphany that y 'all came to?”
Analyzing the Steelers' Defense Moves
14:05 to 15:10
The hosts discuss the importance of key defensive players and the potential impact on the upcoming season.
“immediately to make sure we had something else before we even got the other two, which was, what was it, Dean and Brisker.”
Cleveland Browns Contract Modifications
15:10 to 15:59
A conversation about the modifications to Miles Garrett's contract and its implications for the Browns.
“Listen, we got what we have, and this is what we need to do.”
Cleveland Browns' Future with Miles Garrett
21:45 to 28:05
The hosts debate the future of Miles Garrett and potential trade scenarios with the Cleveland Browns.
“You know, he just bent the rules all the time.”
Cleveland's Strategic Move
28:05 to 29:47
Discussion on Cleveland's potential trade involving Miles and its implications.
“I love this move for Cleveland, you know?”
Defensive Coordinator Dynamics
29:47 to 31:06
Insights into communication and expectations between players and coaches.
“But when you're trying to go really build, we need Miles.”
Theoretical Scenarios on Defense
31:06 to 32:51
Hypothetical discussions on defensive strategies and player roles.
“I come in here and you got me playing in a two technique.”
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Mel Kiper's Take on Shedeur Sanders
32:51 to 34:21
Analyzing Mel Kiper's comments on Shedeur Sanders' potential and comparison to Ty Simpson.
“I like to, I like to come up with things that make difficult decisions.”
Evaluating Quarterback Prospects
34:21 to 36:54
Discussion on quarterback performances and draft prospects, focusing on Shadour and Ty.
“He said the Browns don't have to worry about Ty Simpson.”
Browns' Future Plans for Offense
36:54 to 40:15
Strategies for the Browns' draft focus on offensive line and receiver improvements.
“I'm not saying Ty Simpson isn't a bad quarterback.”
Analyzing Opportunities for Players
45:50 to 47:54
Discussion about player movements and opportunities in the NFL.
“You kind of got to be a little less than optimistic when they get opportunities to be able to go in.”
Joe Flacco's Future in the NFL
47:54 to 53:59
Deep dive into Joe Flacco's comments on his career and potential starting opportunities.
“He had a little something to say about nobody signing him for a starting position.”
Transcript
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4:42James Harrison:How you doing today, Joe?
4:47James Harrison:Let me tell you something, Debo. Debo is my time real quick.
4:57James Harrison:Welcome back to this episode of Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your show. How you doing today, Joe? I'm doing great, brother Debo. Another great day. Another great day to be on the pod, talking sports, talking ball with my man. Long story short, let me tell you something. Can I tell you something? Okay, let's go. Tell me something. I am coaching my son's two second grade, third grade flag football team this year. Okay, okay. We had our first practice Wednesday. Do you know anything about the flag?
5:39James Harrison:Because you know it's a little different. So look, my boys been playing now. This is their third year playing. So I've been going to all the games. I've been watching. They do seven on seven. They're still young. They're trying to get now. They're throwing the ball a little bit. It's mostly handoffs, mostly counters, you know what I'm saying, flag pulling techniques. So, yeah, I'm excited about it. My boy out there, Joey, the team name, listen, my older son, Joey, he was born in Cleveland. He wants his team name to be the Cleveland Browns. My younger son, Jetty, his team's name is the Pittsburgh Steelers.
6:10James Harrison:So I got a Steelers team and I got a Browns team in the house. So both of my boys, Jet was born in Pittsburgh. He's there. The Steelers are playing. And I got my boy, Joey, who was born in Cleveland. and he's a brown. Okay. Okay. All right. So, they ain't going to never play each other? No, no, no. They're different age groups. I got a first grader and I got a third grader. Okay. Yeah. At some point, at some point, they may. When they get to, when they get to, when they get to high school, middle school, high school. Yeah. Yeah. College. College for sure. College for sure. Who, Who's going to want to go, you know, and play for your modern?
6:55James Harrison:Who's going to want to go and play for maybe someplace different? You know what I'm saying? Both of my boys, they – so my older boy, Joey, he likes sports. He's into it. My thing is this. I'm not living vicariously through my children. I'm not forcing them to play sports. They don't have to play sports. I want them to do what they love to do. You know what I'm saying? So my oldest boy, Joey, he's getting into it. So if football's not his thing, sports, he playing football and basketball. Keep it open. I just want him to be in team sports. I just want him to be involved in something. And whatever he likes, I'm going to support him.
7:27James Harrison:My younger son, Jet T, my 70-year-old, he loves football. He's watching our highlight tapes. He knows T.J. Watt, Minka Fitzpatrick were his favorite players when I was playing for the Steelers. Loves him. Still loves T.J. It makes sense. Jet T, I can't teach him. I can't teach him. Dad, he's just trying to catch over-the-head fade balls. Just, Dad, throw me the ball. He's just trying to catch it over the shoulder. So, you know, I'm going to sow into that. That's good seed. I'm going to sow into that. I'm going to keep giving them knowledge. Right now, try your best. It's not about how many touchdowns you score.
7:58James Harrison:I need effort, son. I need you to try your best, be paying attention. You know what I'm saying? So, that's where we at with it right now, Debo. I understand why one is kind of into the sport real hard into another one. Yeah, you know, it ain't really there. I'm going to do this or that. You know what I'm saying? One was born in Cleveland, as you said. It's kind of something that he grew up around. He was like, yo, there's no hope there. I understand you had to get that out of him because when he came to Pittsburgh, he realized, oh, it is hope in being able to win. He's seeing this. He's understanding this, and it's a great thing for him.
8:35James Harrison:And your other son, he was born there, so he's like, let's go. Football, football, let's go. Steelers, you win championships. You know what I'm saying? This is not just for the, you know. No matter what I do, you manipulate it into that. I'm not manipulating nothing. I'm just speaking facts to people. Like, Joe, you told me something. I can't even speak. I can't even say what I think it was. I'm just giving my opinion, Joe. Okay. No, you do. All right. Whatever, Debo. All right. For sure. I'm just letting you know. I'm coaching the football. My boys out here. We working and you just making it.
9:07James Harrison:That's why your son is born in Cleveland. He just, you know, there's no hope. No, I'm just saying like, you know, you said your other son. He's like, really into it. Into it. You know, he had something. He lived through something. He seen something. He understood, you know, the legacy. You know, your other son, he was in there. He was like, yeah, I like the sport. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, I'm into it, but I ain't into it. You know what I'm saying? Because it was like - Parents? It was like no - Parents out here, people that have children know, you can't - They going to do what they want to do.
9:35James Harrison:They going to like what they going to like. It just happens - I ain't going to give you that. Younger son. I ain't going to give you that. Yeah, they going to like what they want to like. They ain't going to do what they want to do. That's where the parenting come in place, Joe. I'm here to just feed and sowing the good seed. I need effort. I need you to try your best. Yes, sir. That's what I need. And you talk about losing. That's where it starts. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just. You're always doing that. Every time. No, I was just thinking like, I was just thinking like, it just, it hits me like that.
10:02James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? Because I was born and raised in Akron. Okay. You know? And look at you now. And I wasn't really a sports fan like that. I watched sports because my dad did it. You know what I'm saying? You sounded like my son Joe. You sounded like Joe. Look, and it wasn't until they went on hit and left, and they fought to keep those sorry colors that I transitioned. Guess where I transitioned to? Where'd you transition to? The Pittsburgh Steelers. Boy. And you see where they transitioned me into. I went from being a good for you, Debo. I'm glad it worked out for you. It worked out for you.
10:45James Harrison:That's good. That's good. I'm happy for you. I'm happy for you. But it all started in Ohio. True statement. True statement. I can't take that from you. You can't take it from me. I can't. That you from Ohio. I can't even blame you for it because you ain't had no choice of where you went. You know what I'm saying? You went to who wanted you first, and they was like, hey, we got to get him. Yeah. Yeah. All that good Cleveland love. Yeah. Okay. From the fans, yes. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Organization is something totally different. You know what I'm saying? When I shoot out my love, I'm giving it to the city and to the fans.
11:27James Harrison:The people, what? They embrace me with open arms. Yes. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Okay. Yes, sir. Joe. Yes, sir. ESPN, what's this guy's name? Ben Soler? Yep. He said that he ranking the Steelers as number one, you know what I'm saying? Well, no shit, you know? Finally, somebody come to the damn census over there at ESPN like, oh, they're number one. What? That was the epiphany that y 'all came to? No. No. We've been saying this, baby. We've been saying this since from the gate. Omar Khan is cooking, okay? They made the man head chef. They made the man head chef a couple years ago, right? Uh-huh. But they didn't let him make his own menu.
12:24James Harrison:And now he can. Now we don't went from a no-star a no-star Michelin restaurant to right now No, we like a two-star mission in wrestling. You know what I'm saying? Okay. The only thing that would make it a three-star, Joe, is Joe Burrow. But, hey, I'm working on that. I know you're working on that. I'm worried about nothing. Hey, I've been working on that. But look, when I'm saying this too, Debo, is when we're looking at this of them ranking the Steelers being the top team, it's because everybody's worried about right now quarterback. If you didn't address the quarterback, quarterback, quarterback.
13:02James Harrison:All right, since what we would have did, Malik, the quarterback from Miami, the quarterback that signed to Miami. Yes, that was the only quarterback that was really out there. So we didn't make that decision and didn't think that was the move. We addressed what we needed. We lost our running back. We went and got Riddle. We needed a wide receiver. We went and got Pittman Jr. Do you know what I'm saying? So what we're doing is making moves in the right spots, getting our team right, building, like Ben said, build the team first, and then you get the quarterback and everything's going to be good.
13:35James Harrison:Because quarterback don't got to do nothing crazy. Quarterback got to come in there and be a legit quarterback, not do too much. So I'm loving the way, and that's why my man Ben is kind of understanding what's going on. No question, baby. They said we need a receiver. We said check. Check, mate. We lost game well. They said, okay, check. Here come Dottle. Okay. They said we need DB. We said check, check. We went on ahead, got two, and then signed, what's his name, Asante Jr. immediately to make sure we had something else before we even got the other two, which was, what was it, Dean and Brisker.
14:13James Harrison:What are we talking about? What are we talking about, Joe? Then you talking about your D tackles, too. Can't forget about the big man that's going to let Queen run free. Sebastian Joseph. Hey. Yes. Run, stop. We need that. Big check. Take up, too. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And the linebackers do what they're supposed to do. Let them run free. It's still early. And all the players that we got is names, but each person is still going to have to perform. You know what I'm saying? No question. Looks good on paper. It looks good on paper. You know what I'm saying? We check the marks. We went on here. We check the box.
14:52James Harrison:We checking boxes. Check the box. We trying to get things done. We're not saying you got to win it on the field. We got to get it done. It all got to come together. But you got to get it there before you can go ahead and see how it's going to transpire. We got what we had. Well, we got what we have. Where you going, Joe?
15:14James Harrison:Listen, we got what we have, and this is what we need to do. We got guys that played this well last year, and now they're here. And hopefully they keep elevating, okay? number one yes being over there espn uh what what a great uh observation understand i don't know observation observation was not really observation you were probably listening to us but hey we ain't gonna trip on it we appreciate next time just give us some credit all right but you know who they got at, what is that? 22? Who? Cleveland Clowns. Sorry, Cleveland Browns. I get that mixed up sometimes, all that. And they about to drop to 32 because Miles Garrett, they don't restructure my man's deal.
16:13James Harrison:The Browns made a rare contract modification to modify the language of Garrett's deal instead of having him had his 29 million roster kick in on March 25th the Browns and Garrett quietly agreed to language that would hold off on his roster bonus until the week before the start of the 2020 season and the only reason Garrett would be okay with earning that massive lump sum of money immediately not earning it, sorry, immediately, is if he could be traded to a contender this offseason. And Joe, you know what is so crazy about that? What? That... I'm Lori Siegel, a longtime tech journalist. And consider my new podcast, Mostly Human, your bridge to the future.
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21:35James Harrison:Davis arrives at New York City Hall with a guest. Both men are carrying concealed weapons. and in less than 30 minutes, both of them will be dead.
21:50Everybody in the chambers ducked. A shocking public murder.
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22:27James Harrison:It's kind of a clip, an old clip that's out. We got that clip? Can we play the clip? Make it happen that Prescott is leading our team right now. I need you to take Tony Romo take a couple picks and give him to Cleveland so you can pick me up please I love to play in Dallas hey
22:52James Harrison:that was a message over there to Jerry Jones and I know it was a little wild but it's still it's still relevant you know it was only 2017 okay let's you know Joe So I know the market, what it was like in Dallas when they were trying to get old Crosby over there. OK, and they was willing to give just one first. But I believe they may be willing to give two for this. I need three. Me personally, just looking at the situation, you know what I'm saying? Cleveland, what kind of money do you think you make off the field? You know this, Joe. What kind of money do you think you make off the field in Cleveland, Joe?
23:39James Harrison:It ain't really that kind of area for that kind of stuff. But in Dallas, Dallas, man, that man could probably make another 40 a year off the field. Oh, Lord. Yeah. Joe, Joe. Hey, Joe. What do you think of the moves the Cleveland Browns just made here and with your GM over there, Mr. Berry with the boiling chicken? What do you think of this move, Joe? I think this is a smart move. It's a smart move. It's a business move. It's letting the Browns, end of the day, giving us more time to see after the draft if Miles is going to still be there. Miles has already said that he wants to go. He will be there for sure if he's going to play for the bread.
24:25James Harrison:Miles is a hired gun right now. Love Miles to death. He's going to be in Cleveland if he has to to get paid for sure. He loves the city and all that. But at the end of the day, he would definitely not mind leaving and going to play for another team. So that's already said. He said he wanted to go. And then when you get paid, you're going to have to do what you got to do. So he's still there playing. Love it. Respectful. And he's going hard because he just broke the record. So for the Browns, you have a baller, a generational talent, a Hall of Fame player. If you can get crazy amounts of assets for him, you always keep that window open.
25:00James Harrison:You think two is enough? No, no. If I'm the Browns, I'm not doing it unless it's three. Three first-round picks for Miles. And I'm keeping that for teams to, I'm leaving the open. I'm going to have to get a crazy haul for him. Because end of the day, if Miles Garrett broke the record and we still only won four games, so there is more holes to fill than just Miles. Draft capital and all that stuff. So we can have a future plan. If we can get three first-round picks for Miles, then you start listening to that. Then that makes it a more reason for us to do something. because with Miles breaking records, with him being generational talent, it hasn't been enough for the Browns to win a championship.
25:38James Harrison:And giving him his bread, it is what it is. We need more. So we can get three first-round picks, happen to get another defensive end, these rookies, somebody we can trade, we can just get. We need more assets. So as much as they can get from Miles, try to keep the doors open. But if you're not getting enough, then keep them on the team. Him moving the signing bonus back just gives them more time. It's like once you give him that bonus, then you know you're not trading him, you're not moving him because you already paid him that bread. If you pass it back until right before the season starts, then that gives you all that time during training camp, all that time before the season to if you need to trade him and somebody's like, man, no, bump that.
26:18James Harrison:Our team looks good during training camp. All we need is a Myles Garrett. We'll give him the three first-round picks. Then if you're the Browns, you always keep that window open. because with Miles, you still on a Super Bowl contending team. So you always going to, if you're Andrew Barry, keeping that window open to be able to get as much capital as you possibly can because he is a baller and we haven't won as many games as we want, as we can. I mean, we won as much as we can with him, with breaking records, with being MVP. So you think somebody would give up three first-rounders? If they don't, then we keep him.
26:55James Harrison:So this was just a move. just to see if somebody gets... Don't forget Miles is 30. Look, and then next season, we start going one and five. Who knows? I think you'd be smart to take two. Be smart to take two? I hear you. But if I'm them, I'm trying to... Throw another one in there. Maybe it's 30 or 40. I'm not giving you three. All right. He's going to chill. Okay. We'll see. We'll see what Mr. Perry... Two firsts and a second. Two firsts and a second. Something. Something outrageous because Mad Max got... Two firsts and third. What about two firsts and third? Two firsts and third. DM Joe right now, two firsts and third.
27:38James Harrison:What team are you? Where are you picking? I'm trying. Two firsts and third. Yeah, okay. Two firsts and third, Joe. Two firsts and third, I'm listening to you. How you... How you not... And you just said yourself, The man had 23 sacks and y 'all still couldn't get no more to. No, you're right. You need help in a whole lot more positions than that. I'm taking it then. I'm taking it. I'm taking it. Listen. Anything more than two firsts. Listen, I love this move. I love this move for Cleveland, you know? And, hey, Barry, I'm 100 % with you. This is the best move you can make. I love it. I love it a lot.
28:28Oh, please.
28:30James Harrison:And even if, listen to me, even if they don't give you no more than two, it's still worth it. It's still worth it. Listen to me. We need to get some more bodies in there. You know, you just need more. And when it comes down to it, hey, look here. Where do y 'all think Miles plays next year? Peep it out. It's either Cleveland or Dallas. Right now, they saying, they saying right now, they saying it's Dallas. 58 % saying Dallas. Hey, check the chat. The poll right there. Hey, y 'all let me know. What y 'all think he playing? Hey.
29:14James Harrison:That off-the-field money. Hey. It's just going to be. What do you think Dallas will offer Cleveland to get Miles? Two? Two first? Two first? Okay. Two first? And if they stutter a little bit, they might throw a third? Two first and a third. Two first and a third, you know what? Sign me up. Sign me all the way up. Sign me all the way up. I was trying to over get because I'm like, if we're going to get rid of Miles, I don't want to. I love Miles. He's been the best player. But when you're trying to go really build, we need Miles. You got to build, baby. You got a new coach in there. Got a new coach in there, man.
29:59James Harrison:Hey, don't forget, he ain't been in contact with the new D coordinator yet, nah. Is that going to be a problem? No, that's not a problem. Miles is going to go all out. You asking, I'm telling you. Hey, I'm telling you. Miles, wherever you go, he's going to go ball. I know all the defense people that we got, you know, like TJ and Cam and all them boys. They done talked to the D coordinator that we got. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, Joe. If I'm the deco-ordinated, first thing I got to do, I got to talk to my guys that's going to be leading the charge for me. I want to talk to you, let you know my plan, where we going, where we headed, how we going to do it.
30:40James Harrison:I need the buy-in. Baby, I need the buy-in. I need you to get them to buy-in. They're going to get the buy-in on when OTAs start. When I show up on there with my notepad locked in, then you'll know. that they don't show up. If you get there and you don't like what you're seeing. What you mean? How do you not like what you're seeing? You go buy-in anyway? How you going? What you mean? We here. That's a question. Yes. Listen, we ain't had no conversation. We ain't had nothing. I come in here and you got me playing in a two technique. That's all. Look, if that's what the defense calls for, if that's what defense calls for, who you going to come?
31:16James Harrison:This is the coach. This is the defensive coordinator. Now you the coach. Defensive coordinator. That's my serious team. That's the type of... I don't want to coach you. I don't need you on my team. I don't want you on my team. I don't want you on my team. Play you. You the outside backer. So play outside backer. All right, bet. When the coach come in and tell me, Joe, you cornered. Right now, you got to play cover two. What am I saying? Nah, I'm a better man corner. Shut up, Joe. Play cover two. All right, bet. All right, I'm going to hold down this cover two. All right, that's what I'm going to do.
31:43James Harrison:So I'm going to go play the defense exactly the way you call it. And then it don't work. Now I'm looking at you crazy like this. Well, I did your cover, too. Right, I'm on, I'm on. You know what I'm saying? Give him a shot. I'm going to buy all the way in. From the beginning. Put him at the two. Put him at the two or the three technique and tell him, just play the defense I done told you to play. Debo. He just had 23 sacks. Huh? No, no. You go roll with that? No, no, no. See, no, see. He's not going to put miles. Hey, I'm just going. Look, we talking about miles. If we talking about miles, he's not going to put them in the two.
32:15James Harrison:I'm just saying. What if we ain't got nobody to stop? Nothing, man. Why would he do that? Man, that's on y 'all. That's on y 'all. But if that's going to make the team win, Miles might have to go in there and hold it down. You know what I'm saying? We talked about our man. Sometimes you might have to do the ugly things. I don't know. Get dirty a little bit. If it works, you got to come in with some buy-in. But, like, same time, your defensive coordinator is not going to be dumb enough, I would hope, to put Miles at the two when you have him that just had 23 sacks. Maybe for a look. You know what I'm saying?
32:47James Harrison:man. Debo, you just out here just trying to make me mad. I like conspiracy theories, man. You know me. I like to, I like to come up with things that make difficult decisions. No, you coming up with, sometimes you just say stuff that don't make sense just to try to make me mad and be like, yeah, but what if they do that? Hey, I'm just, listen, I can't, I can't help what your reaction is to a hypothetical. All right. So what, what, what, if you came in and Dick LeBeau just was like, all right, Debo, would Dick LeBeau put you out at corner? And if he told you to go out there, I think this time you got to go out to the flat.
33:21James Harrison:If Dick LeBeau told me to play corner and he said I could play it, you're damn right I would. There you go. Okay. Okay. Okay. You're damn right. Because Dick LeBeau ain't never, ain't never. He would never set you up. He would never set you up. He would never set you up. He would never set you up. That is disgusting. That is, that is a, like, that is the highest disrespect of form I ever heard in my life. What? comparing your D coordinator to Dick LeBeau and what Dick LeBeau would do. Are you out of your mind? Well, they're not. You lost every sense that you had left. All seven senses or six, whatever it is.
33:58James Harrison:I'm done with this shit. Zero disrespect. Zero disrespect to Dick LeBeau. Zero disrespect. Zero. Zero. Zero. D-Bo, that's... You know what? My bad. My bad. I did not mean that. But you know what I'm talking about. You done put yourself on mute. Joe, look here, man. Yes. Your boy Mel Kiper over here, he said something that I finally totally agree with about Shadot Sanders. He said Shadot Sanders over Ty Simpson. The Browns don't need quarterback. He said the Browns don't have to worry about Ty Simpson. They've got a better quarterback in Shadot Sanders than Ty. He exceeded expectations by miles, considering what he had to do to overcome.
34:45James Harrison:Obviously, better than Dylan. I think he's the Browns quarterback for the future. Joe, what do you think of that, Joe?
34:57James Harrison:I'm not here to give a Shador love speech, but since he was coming out, nothing changed when it was versus him and Ward coming out of the draft, in my opinion. So he had him break high in his draft board. He was going to be one or two for Mel Kuyper. He was up there for me too. So when people then all of a sudden back down and he goes as a fifth-round draft pick, in my view, he never changed. Nothing changed in my view of Shador. So giving him the opportunity to have a line, have a year in the system, have a year where he has actual real wide receivers that he can hand it off to with the running game.
35:33James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? Like a true chance to be a starting quarterback. And that's where Mel Kuyper, and I think that we're speaking on the same level. People are looking at Shador since he went in the fifth round like a fifth round quarterback. I am not. I'm still looking at Shador like the quarterback I thought could have went one or two, him or Ward in the draft. So Ward had a good year, but it wasn't nothing electric. You wouldn't think like Ward had to be in a quarterback competition, but he's the starting quarterback for the Tennessee Titans moving forward. Wasn't the best. Same with Shadour, was a starting quarterback, had that title for the Cleveland Browns.
36:05James Harrison:That was his rookie season. Now, the next year, he has another year, boom, under his belt, offseason, go through the whole thing, being able to get additions, being able to get other receivers, being able to work with them, work with the ones during OTAs, during training camp. He was working with the practice squad. He didn't get any reps. So the season happened, rookie year, it's a lot going on. You're a quarterback, just things moving, changing pace. So now I think him having this full offseason, I thought he would have been a first round pick last year. Now it's his second year coming in like Cam Ward.
36:36James Harrison:I'm kind of looking at Shador's progress like I'm looking at Cam's. Wasn't the best, but still has things he can work on. He can do better. But now his second year, believe in him. Let's go. Let's see what he can do. So for me, I wouldn't take Ty. I don't think he's better than Shador, in my opinion. Other people may think he is. So let that to each his own. I'm not saying Ty Simpson isn't a bad quarterback. Hope he gets into the league, does well, people don't judge him off of his rookie season, lets him get around a team that's actually pretty good. You know what I'm saying? Depending on what teams he falls to, he might not have to do too much.
37:09James Harrison:He might look better than Cam Ward did. You know what I'm saying? So I think situationally, you just can't put stuff on quarterbacks that fast and be like, no, he's the starter. No, he's the bench player. No, he's not good. We've seen it with a lot of quarterbacks. Tua looked good. He was able to get another contract,$50 million. Kyler Murray looked good. Did Sam Darnold look good and didn't look good, then started looking good? So it's like different situations, each quarterback being in a different team, being able to have time to work. So I'm with Mel Kiper because I'm like, I'm a Shador guy.
37:40James Harrison:I think that if he gets the chances to go out there and really just play football, he will be a great, he'll be a starting quarterback in this league. Yeah, I'm going to agree with you and Mel on this one. I just, I don't even, I don't even know if I think Ty Simpson even gets taken in the first round, dude. I just don't see anyone there to take him because it's not really an upside that he could offset that what teams would be needing to get. You know what I'm saying? Like, just looking at it. Like his whole thing of his abilities, you know, to be able to like read and process, you know, the defense is fast enough so that, you know, he can anticipate the throws like he's waiting for guys to get open and then, you know, making a throw.
38:30James Harrison:You can't do that in the NFL because that window, as soon as that window open, it'll close on you. And then when he's pressured, he panics a little bit. You know, he tries to speed up his process. He stops looking down the field, you know, for open receivers, you know, stuff like that. And what? He only got a full one year actually starting. So it could be an experience. Why all that is? You know, it's just I think it's too much of a risk to take on the first round pick. The quarterback position ain't really that strong. What is it? Mendoza. He'll go to the Raiders, obviously, because who they got?
39:07James Harrison:some dude O 'Connor or something over there. That's the only quarterback. I think that's the only quarterback they got on their roster right now. So he's going to go there, I think just simply because of that. And after that, you know, I ain't go get another guy. I don't think another quarterback come out of the first round, you know? I think with the Browns, if we want to do that, we need to go ahead and get offensive line and we need to get a wide receiver. So somebody else that can, we still, we addressed the, We addressed subline. No, that's what I'm saying. We got two firsts. So one of them firsts need to be if we can get either Tate early.
39:43James Harrison:I'm saying after you get rid of Miles, you get two more. That's just building. That's what I'm saying. That's a lot of good capital. That's a lot of good capital for some players. And I like positional players. We need to get a tackle. We need to get a receiver out of our first two picks. And if we get some more, then it's just depth. You never can have too many linemen. Get another lineman for sure. a baller. Like, so this definitely offensive line, then it'd be, yeah, I think they'd be in the right path. Yes, sir. But again, what? Mr. Cleveland Browns, so. I'm Lori Siegel, a longtime tech journalist, and consider my new podcast, Mostly Human, your bridge to the future.
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43:34If you're trying to keep up with everything happening on and off the court, we've got you covered on the podcast, Flagrant and Funny. You look at the top four number one seeds. What do you think UCLA is going to do? Break down that for me, my friend. Obviously, UConn is the overwhelming favorite in this tournament. But I'll be honest, I think people are kind of sleeping on Texas. Experts are suggesting that UCLA is the number one challenger to UConn and that right after that would be Texas. S &C is so deep and so thick in just about everything. It really is annoying. So it's UCLA, Texas, South Carolina, LSU.
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44:3710-10 shots, five, city hall building. A silver.40 caliber handgun was recovered at the scene. From iHeart Podcasts and Best Case Studios, this is Rorschach, Murder at City Hall. How could this have happened at City Hall? Somebody tell me that! July 2003, Councilman James E.
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45:13Everybody in the chambers ducked. A shocking public murder.
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45:50You kind of got to be a little less than optimistic
45:54James Harrison:when they get opportunities to be able to go in. The thing is, I like where it's moving to. I don't look at making miles, moving the money to a bad thing. It's just giving us more options. I mean, y 'all not too good at picking the right options, though. I mean, I'd rather have him than not. Now it's on him. Now we literally can look at Barry with the picks that he picked and see who it is. Time will tell. But like the Junkins, hit. Okay. Tight end, hit. Okay. Now we get some more. Let's see. A linebacker. Defensive player of the year. Rookie of the year. Okay. Like, not bad. That's crazy, Joe.
46:35James Harrison:I'll put it at one more time. Listen, y 'all had both. Defensive player of the year, rookie of the year, and y 'all won, what, four games? Trout. We could have won more. I'm telling you, it's not as bad as it looks. We need some more, for sure. I'm saying it's going to be all right. Now, listen. You said you get a lot from Miles. I understand you get a lot from Miles. Listen, you said you get a lot from Miles. I understand you get a lot from Miles, but what you're going to have to realize is you're going to now take away those two to three guys. that are blocking him, that allows your other guys to do what they did.
47:09James Harrison:So now that rookie linebacker that was running around doing everything, he going to have somebody who's hands on him. You know what I realized too, my man? So we're going to get a lot from Miles too because for Micah Parsons, they got two firsts and a player and they had to give him a new contract. Miles is coming under a deal of 40. He's already coming with the deal. So they don't have to restructure his contract. That's good business. So they don't have to give him a new deal. We're already coming with the smoothness. Why would they care if they had to give him a new deal if they got him? Y 'all just made it easier for somebody else to get him.
47:42James Harrison:Yeah. Yeah. That's good for you. That's good. That's good for your business, yeah. Yes. I understand, Joe. I understand. Hey, Joe, speaking of Joe, we got another Joe. Joe Flacco over there with the Bengals. He had a little something to say about nobody signing him for a starting position. Listen.
48:10what the hold up is i probably do feel that way i feel like i have unfinished business that's part of why i'm still here and playing and doing all those things and and and not being one of those guys to go sign somewhere yeah it pisses me off a little bit but but at the same time like i'm i'm very happy to be here and that's and that's also why i don't see this as the end like i i that's just not how i'm viewing it in my mind like i feel like i can help a team win and yeah it may be in a different role here but i do still think i can help this team win in that role um i had a lot of fun with joe and joe's the guy um and believe me i wish i was a guy somewhere and i think teams are dumb for not having me be that guy but it is what it is and i said i'm not gonna let me i'm not gonna let them or it get me down i'm gonna be the person i am and just approach football the way I always have.
49:06Mm-hmm.
49:08James Harrison:Mm-hmm. Hey. How you feel? No, Debo, you tell me first how you feel about Mr. Flacco. Hey, he said dumb. He said they dumb. Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco. I'm talking to you, man. Hey, I don't know what or, like, who you're talking about. I would love for you to give me some clarity on the team or the teams if that's what you're saying. You know, they're dumb, stupid for not signing you to come in there and start. So you're obviously looking at a team or starters that are currently on a roster and you're you're better than or whatever. And you could be the starting quarterback there. And I don't have a.
50:11James Harrison:A Rolodex of the starting quarterbacks in the NFL right now. So I just would love a little bit of clarity and put it out there where you think you would be starting and help the team better than the starter that's there. That's all I'm asking for. Yep. And that's exactly what I'm looking at. Because when you say that and you say that, you know, at the role that you're in with the Bengals, you're a backup, Joe's the guy. Okay, you said that, Joe's the guy. You know that you're a backup here in your role. what other teams what other teams are you thinking that you're going to be the starting quarterback for I'm thinking now off the top of my head basically he played for he's looking at the Browns the Steelers you know he's looking at anybody that doesn't have a certified quarterback somebody that's looking for a quarterback maybe needs one hey listen I don't want to start I don't want to start no shit okay that's hey look that's what I'm telling you look D-Bo you brought it up he's talking about other teams I'm just going to give you another thing that's who's quarterback he's better than popped into my head.
51:13Yes.
51:14James Harrison:I don't know if he's sitting back looking at the Kansas City situation. Okay. Yes. And thinking maybe y 'all did this when y 'all could have did this. Atlanta. You telling me, which one would you go with, Joe, in that situation? With Mahomes down for at least some time. Who you going with? Approving? Or an improvement? You going Flacco or you going Fields? I saw what, for me, and what I saw what Flacco do with the Bengals and what he could do with some weapons, he's a vet. He could put the ball in a little bit of places. I'm not, I'm not. We saw, they picked, you know what else he's looking at?
52:00James Harrison:Phillip Rivers came off the couch and was out there slinging it around. So if I'm Joe, last time you seen me, I was starting, I was throwing it to Chase, I was throwing it to Higgins, running up numbers. Joe, Joe, Joe, which one? are you going with? Stop flying this way and that way and tell me which one you're going with. I said Joe. I said Joe. Hey. I said Joe. That's the only thing I can think of. Okay. So where would you go? Joe. Okay. So, okay. There we go. Okay. Thank you. I'm just saying, I'm not... When I saw... I know he just sit in that thing and slang it. He go see it and get it there.
52:38James Harrison:What are you talking about? I am on the same page as you. So just give him a little bit of protection and some time. His mind is sharp. Joe Flacco, like, he's not dumb, and that's why I always love him because if you got a receiver, quarterbacks, he's going to give you a chance. He's going to get a DB a chance too, but he's going to give you a chance. Throws a nice ball, throws it on time. He's going to believe in his timing. You need to be where you're supposed to be on time. So I like that in a quarterback when I know, boom, you got Andy Reid there. So just for me, I'm sorry. I mean, I love Justin, but I hope he can do that if you have these great coordinators that are so on timing.
53:16James Harrison:You got to put the ball in these positions. Sometimes it might not be open. You're throwing in windows that you're throwing into these spots, and these dudes are really putting it there. Flacco's a spot guy where he's like, all right. He's throwing it before you get there. No question. So if the DB jumps it, it might be a pick, but I'm telling you, if it works, sometimes more likely than not. So, I don't, maybe, I don't know. That's the only thing I can think of. When you say things like that, you're looking at the other teams around the league and, like, who you're better than. You know what I'm saying?
53:51James Harrison:Like, man, they're tripping. I could be there because I think I'm better than whoever started on these teams. Yes. You are definitely. Because I know that. If I were to say that old man, like, no, man, I'm back up here because I'm behind Joey Porter Jr. You know what I'm saying? I'm the third corner, but looking around, man, somebody could have picked me up for sure because I'm better than the Seattle corner. I know that. You know what I'm saying? That's what I felt. Right, right. Like he was on. You're like, man, I see some other DMs starting. You better than them. Oh, yes, sir.
54:51James Harrison:peace to the planet charlamagne the god here and listen we are back the black effect podcast festival is back in atlanta on april 25th at pullman yard yeah and the full lineup is nuts We got the Grits and Eggs podcast, Deontay Kyle and Big Ice Cup Cat. We got Club 520 with Jeff Teague and the gang. Don't call me white, girl. Mona will be there. Keep it positive, sweetie, with Crystal Renee. We got Reality with the King with Carlos King. And yes, Drink Champs will be in the building. Plus, you know, we're going to have a lot of guests. So you need to join us. And we got the Black Effect Marketplace, the picture podcast, and everything you expect from the Black Effect Podcast Festival.
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