Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Steelers to draft a QB? Browns back Deshaun Watson, Shedeur Sanders number change

22:47Yo, what's up? Mike McCarthy. He made a statement. And the statement was this. When asked about the 2026 NFL draft, McCarthy said, I'm hopeful that there would be a quarterback there at the right time for us. Now, they're talking about the 2026 draft. But if you go ahead and you look at the article, dude, he's not really saying he's going to draft a quarterback this year. He's saying he's hoping the quarterback is there at the right time for us. OK, he's not saying he's going to go in here and get his quarterback. Yes, he knows he needs a quarterback. Everybody knows he needs a quarterback. He knows he needs a quarterback.

23:25That quarterback, I don't think is going to be found in this draft. Matter of fact, I kind of would bet a whole lot on it that he's not going to be found in this draft. And like when it comes down to it, Ty Simpson is the only other person that may be possibly available there. and I'm not taking him at the first. Maybe, what is it, 53? I don't know about taking him there, you know, and it's nothing more than just looking at, I guess, maybe having him compete as a maybe backup against Mason Rudolph. You know, I don't know. It's a hard decision for me because it's all dependent on what's on the board and like we need O-line it's other things that are more needed but all this can actually be easily changed if we go ahead and just say hey Rodgers hand him something we ain't even got to talk about that we'll worry about that next year like say hey Steelers hey look start 25 he might work you up to something else but give him something what do you think Joe?

24:42James Harrison:I think that he's saying it like he, I don't think he understands the facts that like this article wrote, Will Howard is unproven. And what we've seen with Mason Rudolph, we don't think that he's going to be able to take us to the promised land. So these are just facts. Everybody sees what's going on. Everybody knows what's going on. So with Will Howard, I think he believes in Will, but he knows at the end of the day, he's unproven. So if there's a quarterback that can be confined that falls to the right position and Ty Simpson, if we don't like him at school whatever 20 something maybe 53 maybe if he's some he probably won't go that far down but he's saying if somehow a quarterback falls to where we think that he could be good enough that we could take him then we could take him you know what i'm saying i tell you what if he plummet to that 70 70 we got the crap if he does some should do if it happens like what happened to shador and he goes down to 70 something he's there pick him you know what i'm saying like i feel you with the the offensive line if there's really really good players that we can get to make our team solid Let's do it.

25:44James Harrison:If you think, though, that we do need Ty Simpson in that locker room to be able to, if Will Howard doesn't go, we know we have a Mason Rudolph. If you need another quarterback, then if you think that he's the guy, then take him. You know what I'm saying? Because at the end of the day. Oh, Aaron, something, please. What'd you say? Let's get out of this bottom half. That's what I'm saying. Because knowing at the end of the day, if Will Howard isn't the guy, you could still have the chance to get Ty Simpson in there, get some play time. But if you don't think these quarterbacks are good enough at all, let's see what we can do.

26:15James Harrison:We'll have it. We're building up our team anyway and see whatever happens next year. We know we need a quarterback. Go get one. You can give up our first round draft pick. We can give up things to make sure we can get up to pick whoever we need, because then we don't need all the extra picks. We don't need all the extra stuff. We got a team. We need a quarterback. Go get him. Go do what we got to do to get that guy on the squad. So I hear what he's saying. I don't think he'll reach to go get the quarterback. But with that being said, looking at these rankings, we don't have any proven commodities on our squad.

26:48James Harrison:So that's why it looks, we don't know. So when you're putting Will Howard against with Geno Smith, Tua, Jacoby, Bryce Young, these dudes have NFL snaps. They've looked good at certain times. So it's hard to put Will Howard and or Mason Rudolph over top of them. You know who at number three? What? Cincinnati Bengals. You know how far they were far? Once old Joey. Get on on board. Come on over here with that black. See, that's what I'm saying. Hey, hey, we switching. I know you got Flacco, but hey, we switching, baby. We switching. I'm telling you, we coming up. We coming up then. We coming up then.

27:35James Harrison:He said he wanted to go younger. So I don't think... We're looking at... I'm looking at the chat. They talking about get Flacco in there. No. That's just another old OG. I'm going to take Rodgers over Flacco. Of course, but Flacco's going to be peanutty buddies compared to that 30 you talking about getting A-Rod. You ain't got no choice. Flacco getting paid as a backup, bro. That's why that's doable. Yeah. If he came in here... They got the pain more than what he's getting there. As a known backup, they're going to give him a chance. I would think if you're going to get him as a veteran, like give him a chance to possibly.

28:14Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. You know, offseason training camp. I'm not.

28:19James Harrison:I'm not. I just seen it in there. I'm not interested.

28:25I just. I'm not interested. You, man, you ain't. You ain't. You ain't interested. I'm interested in Will Howard. I'm interested in Will Howard, too. I am. We bring it up. But you know, I did. He's saying stuff. I started feeling a certain way being 30 first.

28:40James Harrison:They're saying stuff, and I'm just addressing what the coach Mike McCarthy was talking about, the quarterback. No. We talking about Ty Simpson, if he falls to our spot, cool. But I'm rocking with Will. Yes, sir. That's what I'm rocking with. Yeah, yeah. Like I said, I didn't say, I don't, yeah. I'm rocking with Will. I'd rather rock with Will and just keep it going and say, you know what? This is what we're going to do. This is what we're doing. And if somebody else is there that we feel like can come in and add to the team, then we'll add them in and just say, hey, let's roll with Will. We'll go see what we get.

29:12If it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't. We pick up what we need next year or figure it out through the process of, you know, this year. Because Aaron ain't signing nothing until they put something in front of his face.

29:23James Harrison:If we want to get the motion going, we got to just offer him something so we can know that we're going to be sitting here. Yes. Yes. Our new OC, Ryan Angelicho, he has some high praise from his former head coach, Kevin O 'Connell. O 'Connell said, Ange has a really good understanding of the run game and how to marry it together. How to marry the play action pass and the keeper game to your base way of running the football. He's been vital for me in the red zone over our four years together. So when you look at rather his situational football, early down success, and how you tie it all together, he is so prepared for this opportunity and this long over.

30:15Woo! That's what I love to hear.

30:23James Harrison:Debo, he sounds like he listens to the Debo and Joe show. that's what it is that's all listen he had a man for four years i'm gonna give him no no no a thousand percent but i'm just saying when i hear somebody that's speaking my same language that's speaking the same thing that we try to say about the play action about the run game about marrying it together about situational football about winning it early down success oh my god that's all we talk about it sounds so simple and it sounds like oh no when you're watching the game Like, why aren't they? No, you don't understand. You have to get a rhythm going.

31:02James Harrison:Marrying the run game, getting it started early, early down success, which starts second and short. You get to those third and shorts, those manageable situations where they don't know if you're going to run or you're going to pass. They can't just pin their ears back and just come after you. You're dictating pace. So when you're running the ball down someone's throat, there's nothing they can do but start putting more people in the box and trying to stop you. And if they can't, Then you continue to do it, continue to do it. And that's when you play action them and they're running down like we're going to stop the run and the ball is going over top of their heads.

31:34James Harrison:So when he's talking about marrying it, winning on early possessions, play action, I'm like, oh, my goodness. Thank you. It sounds very simple, but this is exactly what I wanted to hear coming from from coming from Kevin O 'Connell, the OC, that's speaking on his man and just going out on another opportunity. He doesn't have to speak this highly or just say about this knowledge of what he knows, but him saying it is music to my ears. No question, brother. Look here. He was the passing game coordinator 2022 to 2025, okay? He stayed in the top six. Well, except for one year, and that was 25 in the year that was outside of the top six, but he was 6 '5", 6, and then he was outside of that.

32:22but that's kind of understandable considering the quarterback situation last year over in Minnesota. So I think he's just, you know, putting it out there to Mike McCarthy and, you know, saying, you know, I heard you say you're going to be caught in the plays. So O 'Connell is just saying, hey, look, you know, stole this man away from me. Okay. So don't just give him the title and name, he can do the job, but let him try and do it. He is capable of doing it. He has done it over here with me. And he's just letting him know you have someone there that can help if you're willing to take it. And I believe McCarthy is willing to do that because why else would he have hired him as his OC?

33:09Yeah.

33:11James Harrison:I love it. And then, like you said, too, McCarthy, I hope, like you said, hiring people. I know he wants to call the offensive plays, but knowing you're not the smartest man in the room and being able to accept stuff that somebody else says, you know what I'm saying? This is going to be like a team effort. You know what I'm saying? You're listening to him. You don't have to go with everything he says, but knowing. I know this man, he knows what he's talking about, you know what I'm saying? And being able to collaborate instead of just being like, no, no, no, this is the way it's going to be. So knowing that, being able to use your coaches.

33:41Yes. Getting coaches that have the credentials, the pedigree they they've showed that they could do it and like you said not wanting to be the smartest person in the room and being able to be like yo it's other ways better than mine you know and having a collaboration and accepting and and be willingly you know looking to make things better and help and input from your staff you know and i think that's what we have here but the browns Jim Haslam, he walked back his comments on Deshaun Watson from last year, expressing optimism about his future. He says, it's not for lack of effort, okay? I mean, I don't think anybody in the organization would question his effort, his toughness, everything he puts into the job.

34:38Deshaun has a great chance. A fresh start with an offensive-minded coach who has in the past been able to work with all kinds of different quarterbacks and make them successful. So Deshaun has a great chance to do that now. Joe, let's hear it. Let me tell you something, Joe. Let me tell you something. Here the Browns go. Double talking again. And this time, it's your owner. Jimmy Haslam, okay? You know what? I understand now why your boy Andrew Barry is, you know, I see where he's getting from. You know? Like, this is, this might be a Cleveland thing, you know what I'm saying? Like, he's getting, you know, when you get there, I guess it kind of get ingrained into you or something like that, you know?

35:25That's the only thing I can think of. Joe, like, why? Why the change, you know, why the change your heart by, you know, Mr. Haslam? Because, you know, I don't know. Maybe, hold up, maybe it's because your GM, Mr. Barry over there, he said all of his quarterbacks would be expected to compete for the starting job or have a chance to compete for the starting job. They're actually trying to maybe show a united front, a direction, maybe a purposeful position in here. I know, I know, Joe, that would be like catastrophic in Cleveland just because, you know, that's the total opposite of the way that, you know, y 'all work over there.

36:17But Joe, you tell me what you think. I mean, that, I don't know. You tell me.

36:23James Harrison:If you give somebody$250 million, you're going to believe it. My man Jimmy has it. He's going to believe in him until the wheels fall off. Well, he wasn't saying that just previously. What did he say previously? What did he say? Well, he was kind of down on him. Okay, but now he's just seeing that he's back. He's been working. He's been rehabbing, you know? So, I mean, that's what he's saying. I don't agree, but if I had paid him$250, and at first you would have thought, you know what I'm saying, he's not going to be able to come back, it would have looked like a big swing and a miss. now he's been rehabbing.

37:02James Harrison:He's getting back right. He's looking healthy. This is from the owner's perspective. Well, I mean, when you say he's a swing and a miss. He's a swing and a miss. $250 million that you give to a quarterback, fully guaranteed. Swing and a miss. How you going to come back and just go off that? What'd you say? Because he got, I mean, I don't know. He did it. I didn't do it. I'm just trying to talk for what it looked like happened. I wouldn't have did it. I wouldn't. The swing and a miss, he could still. the reason why he's saying it because say he comes out and balls out this year balls out brings the Browns to the playoffs he's saying it could still not be all bad I don't think it's going to happen he's just speaking best case scenario he's the owner of the team he the one that gave him the bag he's the one that said oh that could have been a swing and a miss when he wasn't playing when he was getting hurt now he's looking like he's rehabbing he's doing everything he can to get back so from Jimmy Hazen's perspective he's saying if he goes out there new coach, you know what I'm saying?

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41:17James Harrison:He ends up going out there and balling. It could be a completely different story than him getting the whole 200 already and not really performing at all. So I think that's what he was saying. I don't, I think since Deshaun Watson, when he was the real, like not the real Deshaun Watson, when he was healthy playing with Houston, that was six, seven years ago. and now the big thing that made Deshaun, he could run and he could pass. He was dual threat. He could use his legs and he could throw the ball. Once you start losing that speed, that agility, he started to just become kind of a one trick. It's going to be more your pocket passing.

41:57James Harrison:You're going to have to be able to stand in the pocket. You're going to have to be more of Tom Brady. Tom Brady could never run. He was always going to be efficient because his presence, his knowledge, and this ball placement. Once you get less athletic when you are a running quarterback, it starts to make you have to just depend on that other part of your game, not the escapability, but the accuracy part. So I'm looking at Deshaun like loving to death, but for me, I don't know if he's still going to be having those same type of twitchiness, that same type of movement. Like RG3, he had his knee, and he never wasn't able to just move the same way.

42:28James Harrison:Deshaun Watson, he's not getting any younger. This is a long time in the league now, so just those injuries, him not being able to be as mobile, I don't know if he's going to be as successful as we saw to Deshaun Watson. That was worth every penny of the$250. So right now with me, I'm still letting Shador go there. He was the starting quarterback. I understand competing. You're going to say that. But Deshaun's going to have to show us something to take the job from Shador. We give him some more weapons, some receivers, some line. Give him a chance. If he doesn't look good, you put Deshaun in there after game seven, eight.

43:02James Harrison:If Shadour's not looking good, if Shadour's not succeeding, he's out there throwing picks and just doing the same things. He doesn't look like he's making growth and reading coverages and not just retreating in the pocket. You know what I'm saying? He looks like he's poised, and it's not his bad. We're scoring. Averaging 24, 25 points a game. He's throwing 270, two touchdowns. You know what I'm saying? Maybe, say, after eight games, we got 12 touchdowns, four or five picks. Okay, boom, we're working. We're figuring it out. It's not your bad that we're losing, but we can, are people performing around you?

43:35James Harrison:How's the defense playing? How's the special teams playing? It just don't need it to be strictly on him. So for me, I'm going with Shador, young, give him weapons, give him a chance for real to really go with Todd Munkin. If it doesn't work out, we still have Deshaun there to, so like Jimmy said, not completely fall off and swing and a miss on the 250. So we still got those two quarterbacks there, see what's happening. And then if it doesn't, we do got to go get a quarterback again. But we've been in that situation a thousand times before. But right now we got Shador, which I like. We have Deshaun at a$43 million deal that he's like working out.

44:12James Harrison:He's trying to get back and see what he can do. So those two quarterbacks can get us through the season, in my opinion. So that's how I'm rocking. Okay. How do you feel about that? How do you feel about that? Give me something. Like, I think, do you think that's it? I think this is going to sound crazy because it's just crazy. But I think they're trying to show a united front here, an actual direction, you know, purpose of what it is they want to accomplish. And they're trying to put it out there. The GM is putting it out there. He's putting it out there. And, you know, to hear that in Cleveland, you know, common sense ain't common anymore.

44:55And it damn sure ain't common in Cleveland, you know. So to hear that and think that they may actually be trying to get something together, it's kind of confusing.

45:08James Harrison:So what are you thinking? What are you thinking? Why do you think he made the complete 180? Do you think it's because of what I said? Listen, man, I'm thinking this right here, brother. I'm thinking maybe, you know, he trying to see if he can't dump off your boy, the son, to somebody. See if he can, you know, put it out there. He looking good. He can be what it was that we thought he was going to be. You know? Maybe they want to press some of that, you know, that guarantee off on somebody else. It's only a year left, you know? I don't know, Joe. I don't know. But, I mean, the optimistic thing for you and the Cleveland Browns, is they done got together.

45:53They said, you know what, man? We're going to do this the right way. We're going to show a united front in the process and direction in which we're going, and we're going to stick to it. You go see it. I'm going to see it. We all go see it. But it's Cleveland. They probably stumped up. Like, they stumbled on this shit.

46:10James Harrison:It was an accident. We're going to mess around and keep on getting this long. We just need to keep on not doing the obvious thing, which is get talent in the spots that we don't have it. Wide receiver and continue to get our offensive line right. When we have these skilled positions, running back, quarterback, I like our quarterback. We like our tight end. Defense already, we're doing good, bringing the pieces in. Just don't start doing it. Fan is your tight end, right? Is he a tight end? I got both. We got Junkins and we got my man Fofo at tight end, who is going to be Pro Bowl. Yes, sir. So both of them, rookies, locked in.

46:50Okay. I mean, I like him. I didn't like him when we played him. Yeah. You know, he cost me. He cost me. But, you know, as a player, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like him. Your boy Shador, hey, he's switching from the 12 to the 2 this season. Shador will be wearing number 2 in 2026, the number he wore throughout his college, his career at Jackson State and Colorado. He couldn't wear two, I guess, last season because a veteran wide receiver, Carter, already had it, forcing him to take number 12. Carter is no longer on the team. Yo. Look here, man.

47:29James Harrison:What do you think is the reason he's switching the number? Because, bro, he loves number two. Number two was his number. He always rocked number two. He has a connection with number two. You know, look good, feel good, play good. He always wore it. That's his jersey. Coming in, the vet had it, and you know how that goes. But he tried to get him to pay for it. Chador was a fifth-round pick. Money looking funny a little bit. He was like, nah, that's what I'm not going to do. He went cheap. Man, money wasn't looking funny, man. He didn't want to pay. He got all that money in Colorado. You know what he did?

48:00You know what he did?

48:01James Harrison:Money wasn't looking funny. He did Debo. He just went cheap. He just didn't want to pay for it. That's what he did. He got the money. He had the money, but he was chilling. So he's like, you know what? I'm not going to pay for that. I'm going to rock this 12. see what's up. I'm going to just make it. You know what I'm saying? That's 21 backwards. That's my dad's number. You know what I'm saying? Pop still could be good. Then my man gets let go. He's no longer on the team. Two becomes available. It's the number that I want. Very similar when I was in the Steelers. I wanted 23. Mike Mitchell tried to buy it.

48:32James Harrison:Tried to buy it. Kept on raising the price. He was like, no, no, no. I got too much to attach it to it. I'm like, God damn, Mike. So I had to go to Rob G and buy 21 off Rob G for the low. You know what I'm saying? Rob G looked out. So I'm in Steelers. They weren't playing. They looking like, nah, Joe, you got the bread. What's up? Rob G was like, man, give me 24. So I had to pay for 21. Next year, my good man, Mike Mitchell, love him to death, got released. So then the 23 was there. Got the 23 for the free. I wanted 23 the whole time. This gives me Shador vibes. He wanted two. Didn't want to pay for it.

49:05James Harrison:Went Debo on it. Now two came available. gets it for the free 99. He's happy. He's in his number. He's ready. He wanted it from the beginning, but he wasn't trying to pay. And now he got it for free. Jersey number came open. Now he's going to be two, I feel like, for the rest of his career because it's just the number that he wanted the whole time. No question. Now, listen, bro. I don't think people understand how getting that number that you bought in, that you as a dog in, can make you feel the flavor. You have a literal, that's your number. And like, you've ruined your whole life. You know what I'm saying?

49:43James Harrison:It just makes you feel like when you go into your locker and now you're playing in the NFL, you got Shador Sanders number two. Like, that's your stuff. Like, that's never going, no matter what, once you retire, you got that. Shador Sanders NFL two. Like, I wanted to switch my jersey number to when it went single digits. I wanted to have a number five. So bad. I was like, man, just give me one more year. My 13th year, I could have just went single digit. I just wanted a five, hating like I wore Florida. Oh, would have been lovely. Couldn't do it. So I understand what the numbers, that numbers mean a lot, bro.

50:20Yeah, bro, I totally understand it 100%. Matter of fact, three, number three, the number three, I will never touch number three. Let me give you this. That's a fire number. Single digit three? Bro, listen, let me tell you why, bro. So I was 16 throughout my high school career. You know what I'm saying? So I go and I switched to number three my senior year because it was a New Jersey. And I had dogged mine. Mine had all kinds of scar marks. 16. Okay. 16. So I go and I'm like, you know what? I'm going to switch to three because it's a brand new Jersey. You know, it's my senior year. I wanted to refresh all the other stuff.

51:02You know what I'm saying? I wanted to be clean because mine had war wounds on it. You know what I'm saying? You know what happened, bro? I got suspended three games my senior year. Lost every scholarship offer I had except for Kent State. I could have went almost anywhere, bro. I had O State. I had Notre Dame. I had Nebraska, bro. Back when Lawrence Phillips was there, they wanted me for running back. Those teams wanted me for running back. It was Michigan and Michigan State. They wanted me for linebacker. dude as soon as i was able to get back on the field in college it took me two years bro because i tricked off two years in college so i only got to play three years of my time in college and back then as soon as you hit college your time started so it don't matter if you was on the team or not your clock was right there's no red shirt so my second year on the squad i was able to get to 16 bruh I was back I was back why did the three

52:02James Harrison:why did the three feel like you got suspended for the three man that three that three that three bruh that three was dangerous bruh listen I ain't touching that I think it was well I know it wasn't three but it was a lot of self-destruction stuff you know what I'm saying hell the two years bruh listen to this this is how bad it was bruh the two years that I was out okay my senior year I left high school at 195 pounds Wow. By time I was able to play again, bro, I was 270 pounds, bro. I will never forget. 80 pounds? Once I walked on, bro, 270 pounds, bro. I'll never forget, bro. The first spring practice I ended up walking on, at that time, my head coach was actually Dean Pease.

52:55He was the D coordinator for like the Patriots, the Ravens. I think it was a couple of other teams. Okay. So they got us like running around the track, you know, doing, you know, doing the running. And then, you know, they bring you up at the end, sit you down and, you know, he do his talk. This is first year there. So he just came in. So the coach that actually brought me in as a prop was gone. They fired him. He's gone. I never even got to do anything with the team, bro. So, like, so, bruh, I'm sitting there and he's going, you know, he's doing this, you know, he's doing his lines and he hits something like, you know, if you can't do it or, you know, or if you don't want to do it, basically, you know, if you're lacking the effort, you know, we don't need you here.

53:43So, you know, you know, basically get your ass out of here, bruh. And I'm sitting there. Joe, Joe, Joe. I'm walking laps. I am so out of shape, bruh. I ain't walking lapsed. And I'm sitting there and I'm like, oh. He talking to me. He talking to me. Hey, Joe. Oh, he. Hey, Joe, he talking to me. Fuck you, man. Hey. Hey, I'm. Listen, Joe, I'm looking. I'm looking. I'm looking at the door like this. I'm like, I'm about to get up right now. Smack out. And walk out this motherfucking door, bruh. I'm like, I am gone, bruh. And as I'm sitting there, the thought that go through my head, I'm like, you know what?

54:25Yeah, he talking to me. He's saying I can't do it. He's saying I ain't even got the wind. He's saying you ain't got the wind. I need that negative. I need that negative motivation. That kicked in, bro. As soon as that kicked in, I'm like, yeah, I'm staying here. I'll show you motherfuckers. Y 'all wrong. And the crazy thing is, the relationship I have with Coach P's right now, like, it's crazy. from there on, even today. Like, I recently just talked to him probably last week, week before last. Like, and, dude, matter of fact, we're going to have to get him on here. He could tell you, dude, like how terrible I was, dude.

55:06Like, it was embarrassing, bro. The shape that I – bro, it took me a good year and a half, near two years to get back. By the time I got back, I was 236.5%. See,

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