Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Steelers to target WR in draft, Marvin Harrison Jr. to Browns? + Texans backing Stroud

3 Mar 2026 · 43 min · 18 chapters

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Episode Title

Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Steelers to Target WR in Draft, Marvin Harrison Jr. to Browns? + Texans Backing Stroud

Description

In this episode, NFL legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden react to the Pittsburgh Steelers' plans for the 2026 NFL Draft, Cleveland Browns' interest in Marvin Harrison Jr. of the Arizona Cardinals, the Houston Texans' commitment to quarterback C.J. Stroud, along with other trade news.

Episode Timeline

  • 00:00 - Steelers Draft Priorities
  • 21:30 - Browns Trade Talks for Marvin Harrison Jr.
  • 25:40 - Texans Backing C.J. Stroud
  • 34:00 - David Montgomery Traded from Lions
  • 35:30 - Marshon Lattimore Released by Commanders
  • 39:00 - Maxx Crosby to Cowboys?

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Key Discussions and Highlights

Steelers' Draft Strategy

  • Main Focus: The Steelers are reportedly targeting wide receiver talent early in the draft.
  • Analysis of Past Drafts:
  • Discussion on the Steelers’ history from 2000 to 2014 of picking the best player available.
  • Shift in draft strategy post-2015 with perceived "reaching" for needs rather than best players.

Importance of Team Culture

  • Emphasis on the need for character fit in potential draft choices, particularly at the wide receiver position.
  • Discussion about past selections being affected by maturity issues leading to a lack of long-term contracts for drafted receivers.

Cleveland Browns' Trade Interests

  • Marvin Harrison Jr.: Browns are reportedly discussing a potential trade with the Cardinals for WR Marvin Harrison Jr.
  • Team Dynamics: Haden expresses optimism about Harrison's fit within the Browns' roster and his potential impact.

Houston Texans' Support for C.J. Stroud

  • Texans' management, including GM, publicly supports quarterback C.J. Stroud despite performance inconsistencies.
  • Discussion of his playoff performance and future prospects in the team.

Trade News and Player Releases

  • David Montgomery Trade: Montgomery has been traded from the Lions, with a heartfelt farewell message highlighting his connection to the team.
  • Marshon Lattimore Release: The Commanders released Lattimore, saving on cap space amidst discussions about age and performance at skill positions.

Maxx Crosby to Cowboys Rumors

  • The potential trade of defensive end Maxx Crosby to the Cowboys is discussed.
  • Haden expresses confidence in Crosby’s ability to impact a playoff-contending team like Dallas, given their current roster strengths.

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Key Takeaways

  • Drafting Strategy Complexity: The Steelers are shifting their focus to character fit alongside talent, particularly for receivers, reflecting lessons learned from past drafting experiences.
  • C.J. Stroud's Future: The Texans are committed to Stroud as their future QB, but internal discussions hint at careful management regarding his contract and performance expectations.
  • Team Dynamics Impacting Trades: Player trades and management decisions heavily weigh team culture, past connections, and potential future impacts on the roster.

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Closing Thoughts The hosts provide a lively discussion filled with personal anecdotes and expert insights into the current state of the NFL, reflecting both strategic and emotional ties to teams and players. The episode blends humor with serious analysis, making it a compelling listen for sports fans.

Additional Notes

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Teal Shirts and Color Confusion

3:46 to 5:49

Listen to Debo and Joe discuss shirt colors in a light-hearted banter.

“I'm doing great again, Debo, because you coming through again with another shirt that is not a particular color.”

Steelers' Draft Strategy Discussion

5:49 to 7:18

Explore the Pittsburgh Steelers' focus on drafting a wide receiver.

“They said Pittsburgh is hyper-focused on taking the receiver early in the draft.”

Evaluating Draft Choices and Team Culture

7:18 to 10:56

Delve into the importance of character in the Steelers' draft decisions.

“why would he change what he was doing for 14, 15 years that was working?”

Injury Concerns in Draft Decisions

10:56 to 13:10

Discuss the implications of player injuries on draft choices, focusing on offensive linemen.

“Because at the time, ballers, you're going to be able to get away with – when you hoop, you get away with things.”

Discussing Player Injuries and Recovery

14:04 to 15:56

Learn about the complexities around player injuries, specifically neck injuries, and how teams handle them.

“Kevin Smith from, I think it was New England or something, 2012.”

Evaluating Team Decisions on Injured Players

19:06 to 23:19

Delve into the discussion on how teams make decisions regarding players coming off injuries, especially serious ones.

“based on the February 2025 Nielsen report.”

Marvin Harrison Jr. Trade Talks

23:19 to 28:00

Get insights on the potential trade of Marvin Harrison Jr. to the Browns and its implications.

“The doctors are saying he's able to come back.”

Cleveland's New Tackle and Offensive Line Changes

28:00 to 29:30

Discussion about Cleveland's acquisition of a new tackle and its implications.

“I think this is his last year of that deal.”

Support for C.J. Stroud Amidst Tough Stats

29:30 to 31:25

Exploration of C.J. Stroud's performance and the Texans' commitment to him.

“But since then, the next year, he was sacked, what, second most with 52.”

Future Prospects for C.J. Stroud

31:25 to 33:25

Debate over C.J. Stroud's future and potential contract negotiations.

“He just said he's going to be there for the near future.”
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33:25 to 34:50

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“And like CJ just coming off of not doing too well in the playoffs.”

C.J. Stroud's Fifth-Year Option Consideration

38:21 to 40:03

Discussion about C.J. Stroud's potential fifth-year contract option and its implications.

“And when you're walking on like, oh, no, like the stats and all that stuff, it's all good.”

Player Trades and Team Dynamics in the NFL

40:03 to 42:00

Exploration of player trades and their impact on team dynamics and morale.

“Yeah, they got to protect the quarterback.”

NFL Cutthroat Business

42:00 to 43:25

Discussion on the challenges players face as they age in the NFL.

“He would later go on to finish it with, I'm beyond grateful, and I will always be proud to say I was shaped by this city and you with appreciation and respect, D-Mo.”

Team Dynamics and Player Replacements

43:25 to 45:49

Exploration of how teams like the Commanders manage player replacements and injuries.

“They're trying to find a way to a replacement for you, coach.”

Max Crosby Trade Rumors

45:49 to 48:08

Examination of potential trade scenarios for Max Crosby and his impact on teams.

“If my dad hadn't told me, you finish what you start, bro, I would have been like, hey, man, y 'all can have this back, man.”

Cowboys' Super Bowl Aspirations

48:08 to 50:12

Discussion about the Cowboys' chances of winning the Super Bowl with new acquisitions.

“At first, I was like, I don't even see that happening.”

Jerry Jones' Decisions

50:12 to 53:02

Analysis of Jerry Jones' responsibilities and the implications of his decisions for the Cowboys.

“It doesn't make me happy when I say this because the Cowboys got – they got the goods.”
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3:31James Harrison:Welcome back to this episode of Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your podcast. How you doing today, Joe?

3:47Joe Haden:I'm doing great again, Debo, because you coming through again with another shirt that is not a particular color. You know what I'm saying? I'm just trying to figure out. It's teal. You coming through with this nice teal shirt.

4:03James Harrison:I don't know, listen, bro, I don't know what teal is. I don't know what teal look like, but I'm going to tell you as base colors, because that's all I had in life was base colors. This is more of a blue than it is anything else. Now, as you look right here, okay, here and here where I'm in a couple spots here, it looked like it might be green on camera, but I'm saying it's more blue than anything. Okay, I can understand. Chad, Chad, what y 'all say, Chad? What y 'all say, Chad?

4:33Joe Haden:What color you got on, Joe? That's what I'm trying to tell you. I have on the Jamaican soccer jersey. So I have on green. I have your color. Green. This is green. This is black. This is red and yellow.

4:47James Harrison:Please, why do you do this?

4:49Joe Haden:Yellow. It's a lot of colors. Yellow, green, black, and green. That's golden rod. Okay, this is green. Your shirt is a mixture of green. It's golden, Joe.

5:00James Harrison:It ain't yellow. Stop it.

5:01Joe Haden:Your shirt is a mixture of green and blue, and it's called teal. It's called golden rod that you got on. It's a lot of different colors. I know that. I'm part Jamaican. Jamaican me mad. That's what you're doing. You're making me mad that you don't know the difference in colors. That's a teal shirt. And, you know, it's more blue than anything. Okay, it's more blue. Thank you. That's what you keep saying. Blue and green is teal. So it's both of them. It's more blue than anything, Joe.

5:37James Harrison:All right, blue. All right, all right. My shirt. Joe, you just, come on, bro. You said, what? I don't understand. Joe, Joe, you're confusing. Matter of fact, man, let's get over here, man. They say the Steelers are already boxing themselves into a corner at the combine. They said Pittsburgh is hyper-focused on taking the receiver early in the draft. They said that Kevin Colbert, I guess, well, they believe that Kevin Colbert in 2018 through 22, he was focused on filling potential needs that we had, and they were doing some reaching. They named Terrell Edmonds in 18, Devin Bush in 19. They actually traded a first, a second, and a future third for him.

6:22James Harrison:Najee in 21, and then, of course, Kenny Pickett's in 22. So, I don't know. Here's the thing, Joe. Yes. Me, me and me. I know, I know things, you know, you know, you know, things that they just assume that. So since we're going to give all the credit of drafting players to the GM alone, let's look at Colbert's record from 2000 to say about 2014, 15. That's when it started looking like it was doing some reaching. so in that time frame of almost 15 years he would pick best player on the board and people would be like why are they picking that guy that's not what we need because that's the best player on the board and it was very productive so it was very little reaching that was going on all the way up until about like I said 15 16 somewhere somewhere around there when you okay so what changed why would he change what he was doing for 14, 15 years that was working?

7:28James Harrison:Or did the power and authority to do that change? What would you think happened, Joe? What do you think is more likely? I would think the power and authority changed. Thank you. Because if you go back to 2015, again, only two of the 15 first and second rounders received long-term contracts with the Steelers. when that time came. So what they're doing now is called homework, people. You do the interviews. They're looking at all the guys they believe can go in the first or second round, whatever that may be. And why are they so focused on this need? Joe, here's why. Actually, I want to ask you a question.

8:20James Harrison:Okay. Ask me a question. How many times has a lineman, offensive, defensive lineman caused division in the locker room? That you know of. No, not to know. Okay, yeah. How many times has a corner caused division in the locker room? No. Matter of fact, let's do this. How many times has anybody that wasn't a wide receiver or a quarterback caused division in the locker room? yeah i think that's that's not it's not that many in the nfl is it no now why are we so focused on that because we are looking for a receiver to come into the locker room and add to the rest now we've had what is that five receivers now that we've drafted in that time period at the position.

9:16James Harrison:None of them received long-term deals with the Stillers. And most of it was due to maturity issues, right? They would say it was maturity issues, yes. So, what they are doing is digging in deep to the person that is the receiver that they want so that they know that, you know what? This is a person that fits the Stiller way. I'm picking up what you're putting down. The real Stiller way. I'm picking up what you're putting down. And they're not going to get a player and just hope, you know, he plays great, he's good, and just hope they can mold him into what it is that we need in the locker room.

9:56Joe Haden:No. Because it hasn't worked. I'm picking up what you're putting down a thousand percent. Like you said, there's dudes that are just going to be able to be performing, and they ball, and that's what they do. And they're not really locker room guys. Like when you're looking at a dude that's, look, I'm just going to come in here, lunch pail, do this work, work the hardest that you've ever seen, go about my business like a professional. And that's just the way I do it because that's who I am. And that's just some people that's built in them. You got to get to know them. That money's not really going to change.

10:29Joe Haden:Like I said, TJ Watt, that money's not going to change the way that he works. He's going to get that contract. He's going to be the same TJ Watt every day, making sure everybody's good. Teammates, boom, boom, boom, working, grinding. It's not about the money. It just comes along with it. So when you're saying that they're doing the research, that's in the person. I need to know how you act. Like, what do you do? Or is this football? Is this going to be really a thing that I can give you this money and we're going to be able to follow you? You know what I'm saying? Because at the time, ballers, you're going to be able to get away with – when you hoop, you get away with things.

11:01Joe Haden:And that's just kind of the way – when you get that second contract, when that comes up, it's like, I don't know if I can do that. Because I've seen what he's been doing right now without the dough. I can only imagine when he gets that bag and we still need him. Like, but he's, no, I'm chilling. You know what I'm saying? I'm still, that's kind of not the guy that we need. So the person that you're saying, the work hard guy, the TJ Watts, the Minka Fitzpatricks, the Cam Hayward, the one that it doesn't matter about, I'm really trying to go hoop. You know what I'm saying? So I think what you're saying is completely right.

11:31Joe Haden:You don't want to just get the, you want to get the best receiver, obviously, but the receiver that's good for your franchise, that's bringing that energy every single day. and it's not about the dough and he's not just going to be doing off-field things. He's not going to bring that off-the-field issues. And doing that research and knowing the person, seeing who they hang out with, what's their crew? Do they have a crew? You know what I'm saying? Like, what do they like to do? Do they like to go out? Do they like to party? Do they like to, you know what I'm saying, do extracurriculars? You know what I'm saying?

12:00Joe Haden:Like, it's all good because now you're professional, you're a grown man, but I'm paying you that dough. So when I do that, I need to kind of know exactly the person I'm drafting. So I'm not saying they're pinning theirself into a corner. I'm liking that they're doing their research and making sure that they don't pick the foggy wrong person. They pick the right guy that they're bringing into the franchise to be like, all right, look, we know we need a receiver. There's a lot of talented receivers in this draft, but the one that we want to go get is the guy for us. So I'm rocking with it.

12:30James Harrison:Oh, no question. They should be super focused. Like, that's what you do. I don't see them going in there and reaching for a guy that is not first-round caliber. I see them approaching it like they used to approach it. Pick the best player at that spot at that time that is on the board. So everybody just sit back, relax, watch what the Steelers do, and then you can judge it for yourself. Because now we're in need of a tackle, bro. Roger Jones, he just underwent fusion of his neck for the injury he got week 12. So, like, that right there, that's going to be tricky. He's actually, he's due, this year, they have to make a decision on the fifth round option.

13:25James Harrison:Yeah. Because they have to decide by May 1st, I believe it is, if they're going to pick that up, which guarantees him a little over 19 million in 2027.

13:34Joe Haden:Yeah.

13:35James Harrison:And he could possibly be missing all of 26. And, dude, when you get a fusion of your cervical, like on your neck as an offensive lineman, and you're making contact like every play, I don't think that's something, at least me as a player, that I'm willing to try and risk and go out there and come back from. I believe the last guy that had a fusion like that was, what's the dude's name? Kevin Smith from, I think it was New England or something, 2012. And he had his cervical fusion and was medically advised that he could not return to football due to the risk. And then on top of that, what NFL team is going to come up there and be like, hey, I'm going to go ahead and take that risk.

14:24James Harrison:And God forbid something happens. like that's a lot you know on their plate yeah which is also why the Steelers met they ended up

14:32Joe Haden:with a few tackles in Indy too no for sure I mean I all prayers and hope the best form but once you start talking like you said the neck the fusion it's not like a just a regular bone thing so I just hope as long as if he can get medically back I know that they're probably going to pick up that that fifth year option because if he can play he's a great great player so we don't we wouldn't want to get rid of him. So I hope that the surgery and if the doctors say that he can come back and he wants to come back and play, I hope he can get back out there because obviously we need him. He's a baller.

15:07Joe Haden:But if he can't go, once you start talking about the neck, you know what I'm saying, that's when it gets real tricky. So obviously they want to do their due diligence and make sure that they have a backup plan. You got to have a plan in place. It's always going to be next man up and especially any type of injury, but especially when you're talking about the neck. But for me, I would think that they probably still pick up his fifth year option as long as the medical is still talking about that he's going to be able to return because i think he is going to be a future player for us that could be there for a long time but like you said that him coming back yeah it just gets tricky with that part i hope that all of that you know i'm saying because you know that's that's that's the rest of your life you know i'm saying i don't

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19:08James Harrison:Lime from a fusion, like I'm fusing these two bones together. Now that you get hit like he did before, that could be catastrophic. And I honestly, I don't know how many teams would take that risk. You know, it's no flex there anymore. Only thing it can do is, you know, you done sealed it here. Now all the flex is here and here. So every hit you take, it's just boom. It depends on you being able to take that shot. You know what I'm saying? so I don't um I ain't gonna lie bro depending on what they say the the chances of them picking up that option I mean I hate to say it I think it's it's going to be it's going to be slim depending on what they see the outcome being and then like I said you're talking you're talking cervical like that's that's real that's the most dangerous you know you're talking life and death there bro

20:00Joe Haden:I hear you. Right now, with the way that it's coming out and the way that they're saying it, it seems like it's not going to be as serious. So until they tell me otherwise, then I'm going to just hopefully, obviously, make sure we get another tackle for up to maximum this season. I think he might miss this. If he misses this whole season, that'd be a surprise to me, too. But if he misses this whole year. That's what I'm saying.

20:25James Harrison:Like, you have to make that decision in less than two months. Yeah. If you're going to actually say, all right, we're going to pick up. But you know, we had that situation, though.

20:35Joe Haden:Like, bro, we had Shazier. Like, not to speak. Shazier was on the team. I understand. I understand that, too. Go ahead. Just saying, like, until at the same time he's going to get the surgery, you're going to give him the time to recover. Drafted him. He's been a great player. We're not just going to send Roderick on his way. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's done nothing on the source. I feel like as a stealer, they drafted him. He's done nothing wrong. but he's got hurt. So now if the surgery says that he's not able to play anymore, that's when we get into a different situation. Right now, it just seems like he's going to be missing some time maybe in this season.

21:10Joe Haden:If they say the complete 2026 season is out of the limits, you know what I'm saying, we don't know if you're going to be able to play football anymore. Then that's when we're like, oh, okay, hold on. Now, you know what I'm saying, it's a different tone. But right now it's like, oh, he just went and got fusion surgery. He might miss some time in 2026. We worrying about figuring out the option. I think with the Steelers, they drafted him. He's done enough in my eyes to be like, all right, bet. We'll pick up that option because it's not like they're giving him a long-term extension. You're not just going to send him to another team.

21:38Joe Haden:I think while he's hurt, I just think that's messed up. And I don't think the Steelers would do that to him.

21:45James Harrison:So you're saying that they would pay him knowing that he couldn't come back and just pick up his fifth-year option. You got to realize Ryan was also in the middle of his contract. Ryan wasn't looking at getting picked up. Ryan wasn't looking at getting a you know a fifth year option I mean I think you got a lot of personal feelings in it I mean as a GM as a business owner you gotta pull that out of there I feel you so you would say I would have to have a deep conversation with my doctors and be like yo what's the likelihood him being able to make a full recovery and then on top of that yes what is our that's what is our liability if we do let him come back and something happens that's the big thing

22:40James Harrison:and if i'm broad i don't know if i want to take a chance if they say hey you need to not do this it's a possibility because of what you've had done. Like, I say I died for this shit, but I don't really mean it. No, for sure.

22:57Joe Haden:You know what I'm saying? No, trust me. Trust me. I feel that. I'm just thinking when I'm looking at this thing right here and it's saying that he underwent the surgery, that all of this is in plans for him to try to come back. If Roderick says that he's worried about his health and he doesn't want to come back, trust me, I don't want him to play either. I'm just looking at it as if he's trying to come back. The Steelers are trying to figure out what's going on. The doctors are saying he's able to come back. If I hear otherwise, Debo, completely trust me. I don't want this man out there. I don't want him to literally risk his life.

23:30Joe Haden:But I'm just saying if the man wants to play and the man gets surgery, he goes through all of rehab and he's trying to get back because he wants to play football, I'm here for it and I'm trying to figure out that situation.

23:40James Harrison:So if he wants to play, but they medically say you shouldn't chance it, you're going to let him play?

23:46Joe Haden:No, no, no, no. Medically, I'm saying medically now. Okay. When he's medically cleared and all of that medically, he's able to go. That's the process that I'm going to play now.

23:58James Harrison:So you're going to sit around and wait to see if he ever gets medically cleared to then in May say, I'm going to sign you for 19. Okay.

24:12James Harrison:I mean, you kind of got to make that make sense as a GM, as an owner.

24:19Well, yeah, I mean, we would have to, yeah,

24:23Joe Haden:I would have to talk to the doctors and see what's going on before. Did he, when are they saying he's going to be able, when are they saying he's ever going to be able to clinically play again?

24:33James Harrison:They said, he said, well, take it back. Omar said, obviously, he has a significant injury. We are monitoring how he progresses. Okay. I know he's working hard. It's early in the process. There's certainly something that we're monitoring. That is what the Steelers said as their statement on it. Okay. I mean, everybody want everybody to be good. You've got to have a plan B. No, for sure.

25:07Joe Haden:And that's 19. Remember, I had Joe Burrow ready in line for you. You know what I'm saying? No, for sure. That's 19.

25:13James Harrison:They might not pick that up. You ain't allowed. Man, let's look over here and see what your boy's doing over here with the Browns, man. It said the Browns have discussed Marvin Harrison Jr. trade from the Cardinals. The Browns have discussed the Marvin Harrison Jr. trade from the Cardinals? Yes. Joe, Joe, Joe. What do you think of the possibility that this happened? And if it could happen, how do you feel about it, man?

25:47Joe Haden:What's the likelihood? I hope it's super-duper likely, and I think that Andrew Burry can make it happen. We got the assets, and Marvin Harrison Jr. is the kind of receiver that I like. I love him. Stays out the way. He had some struggles. He had some struggles. He had a little struggles, but he overcame those struggles. He overcame those struggles. A couple of drops, like you said. It was a rookie year, Debo. Give him time. He's a grinder. I got to go against you somewhere, baby. I know. I know. I know. He's a grinder, though. I really like him. I like his grind. I like the way he works. I like the way he stays out the way.

26:22Joe Haden:Like you said, he did have a couple of drops early, but that was young. That was young. He's a rookie year. I think he's going to be a great receiver. I love the way he goes about his business. and I think getting him on the team, yes. He's going to help out our receiver room dramatically. And that's not the only receiver that we need. We're cooking now. We're cooking. I like him in the spot. He could be wide receiver two. Now, Judy, he would step over with Judy. Judy could be wide receiver three. Now, we still need one more. We need still wide receiver one.

26:50James Harrison:They tried to get a dude from New Orleans. What's his name, Chris? I mean, Olave. Yeah, Chris Olave back in the room at the deadline. They couldn't get it. And that's another one they said Barry still got on his radar to see if he can make that happen now. Mm-hmm. He going to try to... Hey, y 'all got to get somebody to get him the ball. There you go.

27:08Joe Haden:You know what I'm saying?

27:09James Harrison:Because you ain't got the line right now to block for anybody. We're getting... We're working on that. You know, I'm just saying, Joe. I mean, you can't throw the ball if you ain't got an offensive line. Understandable.

27:20Joe Haden:I'm just saying, man. We're still working on it. We're still going to get our line. We got to figure out what we're going to do with Joe. My boy, Joe Pantonio, trying to figure out what we're doing there. did it. But offensive line, that's the thing we know. We know what we need. We need line. We need to make sure that was crazy, how we had everybody up in the air for a minute, but we're still working on getting it right. Draft picks for linemen, free agency for linemen, free agency for wideouts, free agency for linemen. Draft picks, free agency,

27:55James Harrison:and all that. For both. For offensive line and for wide receivers. For offensive line and for wide receiver yes yes okay okay well tell me what you think it is um cleveland actually got a tackle from houston that's what i was telling they got they got they got howard they got howard over there in exchange for a fifth round and he's getting a three year 66, sorry, 63 million extension.

28:30Joe Haden:Nah, he's coming off of that. I think this is his last year of that deal. Is it? Yeah. I think so. I think so. I know we're not walking into the crazy big room like that.

28:40James Harrison:Let me check that again. I could be wrong, though. I believe they said they giving him an extension, though. Yeah, they might extend him. I believe it was 366 because last, what was his PF? Pro Football focus. They said they had him at a 71 and a 77. He was 17th among qualified tackles in pass blocking. 77.1, sorry. Good old PFF. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I'm trying to tell you, they're giving me money. They sent him over there. They gave up a fit for him and then Cleveland paid him. And he's going to block. That's what we need. What did I just tell you? I mean, anybody is better than what y 'all got now because y 'all ain't got nothing, man.

29:26James Harrison:watch this look we already cooking there you go we already cooking and speaking of texting man texting say they they still back in stride after everything that happened they said that's that's still their guy I mean from 2000 what was it 23 2023 where he he said he was a he personally said himself that he was a top five quarterback I think he threw for over 4100 I don't remember how many touchdowns. I ain't got it. But since then, the next year, he was sacked, what, second most with 52. Then, I believe in 25, they dropped that to maybe 23, 23 sacks. But, I mean, I don't know how much it helped because he still threw for a career low, just over 3 ,000 yards.

30:24James Harrison:He did miss three games, but even his yards per game was 217 career low. He's actually undefeated in wildcard round playoff, 806 yards, passing five touchdowns, two interceptions. And he is also 0-3 in divisional round playoffs with 53 % completion, a little over 600 yards, one touchdown, full interceptions, but they still got his back. They still got his back. Even the defensive lineman, which is named Will Anderson, after the playoff loss, he said, yo, we still got our quarterback. We're behind him. We rallied behind him. We didn't get the outcome we wanted, but that's why we had an offseason, to get better and grow.

31:13James Harrison:Even the GM, when he was asked about the possibility of trading, immediately he shut it down. He said, we're not trading our quarterback. He said he's going to be playing quarterback for the Houston, Texas in 2026, Joe. He called it moronic chatter.

31:34Joe Haden:Moronic. Moronic chatter. Moronic chatter. He just said he's going to be there for the near future. He said 2026.

31:41James Harrison:Hey, hey, yes, sir. But when they asked him in February about a contract extension for CJ, he replied with the, hey, we don't talk publicly. about contracts in anybody's particular situation. But, hey, D 'Amico Ryan said about the contract extension, this offseason, he was like, hey, we're not getting into that right now.

32:07James Harrison:I don't know. I think we got somebody that's like, okay, I'm going to wait and see and see how it go and work my way through. And then you got another one, the GM, who probably got more on the table than D 'Amico because he just got there. Like, hey, no, that's our guy right now. I ain't talking contract.

32:28Joe Haden:That's what they got to do. You know, it's what have you done for me lately, Debo. I mean. And this is what I'm saying. And after those games, I mean, sometimes it looks a little tricky when your defense is playing that well, you know what I'm saying, and you don't end up going. And I think C.J. Stroud is a baller too. He's going to be there. He deserves to be there. He's played really well. But for them to stand on the line, it's like this. Actually speak a lot of the words. Are we talking about giving this man a new deal? Are we talking about CJ Stroup being the future for the Texans for the next five?

33:01Joe Haden:Or are we just talking about picking up this fifth-year option? You know what I'm saying? He's definitely going to be here next season. That's when you really know. Like, you're going to show me how much you love me if you can put up that 200, you know what I'm saying, with 100 guaranteed. That's going to show me that you really, really are rocking with me. And I'm your real franchise quarterback. So with this, I'm not mad at them because I'm looking at it. They played the defense balled out. And like CJ just coming off of not doing too well in the playoffs. So, I mean, he's a great quarterback.

33:31Joe Haden:So for them, I mean, they could do it. The same way Sam Darnold, he was with the Jets. And then he looks like a completely different person here. I'm looking at, he's young. He hasn't been in the league that long. You can give him some more time to mature. Or it's like, this is the best defense that we could have possibly had. C.J. Stroud, I don't know if you can be able to do it here. For me, they're giving him another year. I think C.J. Stroud's going to have – he's got to go out there and ball out. You have to perform better than what you did in the playoffs last year. Consistency, not turning the ball over.

34:03Joe Haden:You have a team that – the defense, y 'all could have won the joint. So when I'm looking at it – How can they – Go ahead.

34:09James Harrison:They could have won the joint, dude. Listen, I'll agree with you. His whole body worked over the last three years. it's not bad, but it ain't great either. 20th in QBR, 9th in passing yards, 12th with interceptions for quarterbacks with at least, what, 30 starts? And then he's tied 14th. He has three playoff wins, which I'm crediting that to the defense, especially, you know, because he had six interceptions in the playoffs, dude. Like, and on top of that, they have to decide.

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38:21James Harrison:then about his fifth year option on may 1st like what are you going to do joe what you doing on his fifth year option because as soon as you do the fifth year option you already know that's guaranteeing him something in 2027 what that is i don't know yeah i i don't know now hey and they lost the um the uh the tackle that's what i'm

38:47Joe Haden:saying and not protecting him either he looks like he about your quarterback is getting hit upside the head also so it's not looking like uh it's looking tricky for the gm it's looking tricky for cj because i think he's a good quarterback but you can't go into games throwing that many interceptions and your defense is balling and and lose you know what i'm saying So, like, it just doesn't look good. And when you're walking on like, oh, no, like the stats and all that stuff, it's all good. But what have you done for me lately? And that's why I think the GM isn't standing on the long-term contract.

39:26Joe Haden:Like, yes, he's going to be here for this upcoming season. So, I think definitely they're going to keep him. They're going to give him the fifth-year option.

39:31James Harrison:So, they go keep him and not pick up the fifth, is what you're saying. Because if they pick up the fifth, that means he's there at 2027. Whether he's playing or starting or not, it don't matter. but they guaranteeing him something for 2027, whether he's there or not.

39:44Joe Haden:We got to find out the numbers.

39:46James Harrison:So you're going to base it on what his guarantee is in 2027. Now, don't forget last year they gave up the other tackle. What is it? Lamar Laramie Tunsil over there to the commanders for a fourth rounder.

40:08Joe Haden:Yeah, they got to protect the quarterback. Are they trying to protect him or trying not to protect him? I don't get it. Making these calls to give away basically what ended up being, like,

40:19James Harrison:your best offensive lineman for the last two years.

40:22Joe Haden:Same time, too, right? He definitely – his Joe Mixon was missing this year, and his number one receiver was hurt. So that's – give him a little leeway. Hmm.

40:36James Harrison:I mean, they're trading everything away, Joe. They trading. They trading. They trading players. They trading. I mean, they trading everything away, Joe. They trading the offensive line. You ever lost one of your teammates in the trade that you was like, damn.

40:50Joe Haden:I done missed my homeboy. Oh, man. When they didn't sign my boy, TJ Ward, when we were in Cleveland. Uh-huh. Went to Denver. Left. Went and won the championship. We was balling. Wanted them to re-sign my dog, TJ. They wasn't trying to re-sign him. We were balling together. Went to the Pro Bowl and everything. and just let them slide. Yeah, man.

41:12James Harrison:They'll trade you off, man, just like they did. Just like they did my boy, who was it? Dave Montgomery. Bro, see? They traded my boy Dave Montgomery off. He over there now with Houston, man. Mm-hmm. He said his goodbye after they traded him. He had a post. We got that post. Where is it at? Is that it? You can barely see it. He said it's hard to find the right words for goodbye like this. He continued on to say that Detroit has never been a location for me. It's been a community, and all of you have been more than supporters of our team. You've been a steady hands, loud cheers, honest feedback, and quiet strength when I needed it most.

42:06James Harrison:He would later go on to finish it with, I'm beyond grateful, and I will always be proud to say I was shaped by this city and you with appreciation and respect, D-Mo. Bro, bro, I don't think he knew that was coming. No. No. No, sir. Gibbs, hey, Gibbs had this on his Instagram story. Seen it with the Sonic and... Yes. Yes.

42:32Joe Haden:The Sonic and Knuckles. It be like that sometimes. That league, D-Bo. League's cutthroat, bro. Super cutthroat. Super cutthroat. You be your best man. Everything's going good. Everything's going smooth.

42:51James Harrison:Speaking of cutthroat, the Commanders, they released... And Lattermore, after just 11 games with the team, bro, my dude got 11 games in there. They cutting, what was it? They saving 18 and a half in cap without any dead money. And, hell, he turning 30. You know how they be when you're turning 30. You know how the NFL act about that 30 number, especially at a skill position. Yeah.

43:20Joe Haden:You're 50. So you hit 30 They act like you're legitimately 50 No question man That's what happened You better BFF ain't helping me either though

43:30James Harrison:They gave him a 99 And a 94th In coverage And overall Defensive grade I think he got hurt though Yeah he did Yeah And the Commanders Hell they finished 28th Against the pass Yeah I ain't I can't say I'm surprised That they're reading all that Right there

43:50Joe Haden:Nah man I know how that is, man. I'm a lot more baller, but when you get older in the league and soon as you start losing one, you lose a step, you get hurt, hit the ACL or something like that, and then you're in the 30s, they're trying to find a way to get you. They're trying to find a way to a replacement for you, coach. Oh, no question. Where do you think he can land, though? You think he can land somewhere? I mean, I want him to land somewhere that's probably got a nice, like, He's a good player. Good player. I tell you, it doesn't have to do as much press man, though. Like, I would want him to definitely be able to do more zones, more reading the quarterbacks.

44:31Joe Haden:So, now I know just being able to use his brain a little bit more.

44:35James Harrison:Okay. I'm going to go with – I'm not even going to go with a team. I'm just going to go with this. I believe he's still, like, rehabbing his knee. so that's gonna be a thing but i believe the biggest thing is going to be what number he is willing to come in and play for yeah that's gonna be that's gonna be the big issue

45:04Joe Haden:they gotta start yeah i mean it's it's a real live thing man once you start getting over that number and then you start getting hurt they can go without so it's more like them the little little deals. Do you really want to play in the league or are you still trying to make the bag? Because I think that's where it kind of hit me. You can come over here and maybe get a little practice squad and then we can get you active. I'm like, oh man, that's wild. You know what I'm saying? I ain't got no practice squad time left. I used all mine up, Joe. See? Debo, come on, man. You got to be chilling now, Debo.

45:44Joe Haden:You 47, man. You just relaxing. I'm getting into my retirement. I'm getting into my retirement now.

45:51James Harrison:My hips. I did that one time, Joe. I came out of retirement one time. There's no way I can come out of it. No, at the day one, I was ready. If my dad hadn't told me, you finish what you start, bro, I would have been like, hey, man, y 'all can have this back, man. Man, see the front news. Joe, I was T-shot up, Joe. Two. Two of them things that week, Joe. Oh, my God. Bruh, I was down so bad. Yeah. And on top of that, when I came back, they was like, oh, you're going to get about 15 snaps. Man, them boys gave me about 35 snaps. I'm like, oh, Lord. So, you know I was cooked after the game. Yes. I was super cooked, man.

46:39James Harrison:Bruh, another trade rumors. We got Max Crosby, man. They say they expect the Cowboys to at least kick the ties and see what's going on. You know, according to, I guess, Sports Illustrated, they said they go at least kick the ties across. First, Joe, what do you think the chances to Dallas? And do you like the idea?

47:06Joe Haden:I like the idea of Max Crosby going to Dallas. I think it's definitely better than the Raiders at least we know that they're going to at least I can say this I know Dak, I know CD them dudes aren't trying to lose so I can at least say that he's going to be on the team that has aspirations to try to win the Super Bowl so all the talk they've been doing they haven't done it in forever but he was in the Raiders and they kept him on the bench trying to lose games so I just don't see the Cowboys doing that at least So if I were Max Crosby, I mean, if I was Mad Max, I wouldn't be mad to go to, I wouldn't be mad to get out of the Raiders for show, but then going to Dallas, knowing Dak, he's trying to win the Super Bowl.

47:53Joe Haden:You got a franchise quarterback. You got a franchise quarterback there. If I'm Mad Max, I'm not mad at that. I'm going to Dallas. I'm getting a star. I'm getting my bag. And I'm trying to win. I'm trying to win, obviously. And I got a quarterback in the offense. I got CeeDee Lamb over there. I got George Pickens. They're trying to win. So now I'm on Mad Max. I got to turn this defense up. And I'm in there trying to hoop. I like that. I like that from Max Crosby.

48:20James Harrison:You know what? At first, I was like, I don't even see that happening. I just didn't see the likelihood of happening. But now I'm thinking about it. When you look at it,

48:37James Harrison:remember how we just like yo only way you go get somebody to give them that many first is if this is a person that could come in there and and make such an impact that it's gonna put them in contention for Lombardi hey now that I'm thinking about this bro they only had 35 sacks last year that was tied for like 25th 26th 27th like that yes the worst pass defense in the NFL failed over 251 yards a game. And yes, like, the easiest way to make an impact on that is make it to where the quarterback can't hold the ball all day. You get, listen, man, Jerry, you might want to go do this, brother. You might want to go do this.

49:28James Harrison:Now, you done had a drought of 30 years standing in the way you getting another Lombardi. You put Crosby over there on the edge. They ain't going to be able to hold that ball like that. DBs ain't got to sit there and follow and chase dudes while they adjust their routes and all that. Them dudes over there. You're going to be there in the run game. I believe this is that spot. Hell, look what the offense is doing, man. The offense has help with where they can stop somebody over there. Dak doing something crazy over there. The offense doing something crazy over there.

50:02Joe Haden:That's the crazy part.

50:03James Harrison:In the years, Jerry, this could be it for you, man. This could put you back over there standing with a Lombardi at the end of the year.

50:11Joe Haden:Oh, man. See, the one thing is, though, Debo, is when we say this, the Cowboys have – I don't – it doesn't joy me. It doesn't make me happy when I say this because the Cowboys got – they got the goods. They got a quarterback. They got the receivers. They got CD. They got – their offense is nice. Their offensive line is solid. They just went and got Quinn Williams. Big man in the middle. He's solid. He's really nice. Mess around. Go get Max Crosby. And then you got – they got draft. Get you some corner safeties. Get you some defense. Mess around. You got picks. You got money. Get you some defense.

50:47Joe Haden:I can nullify. I can nullify that with Sid. I mean, I'm sorry.

50:53James Harrison:I can nullify that with Max. I can nullify that with Crosby, man. I put him on the edge. You can't – you got to take two. You need two of them. Now you can't – listen. I'm trying to listen. Jerry, if you don't listen to nothing else. If you don't listen to nothing, we say. Listen to this. Max Carlsby can be the guy to get you back into being them balls. Y 'all might be able to be them balls.

51:19Joe Haden:They're going to be backs. They're just going to have the defense. They're going to have to bring some defense. Dude.

51:27James Harrison:How many points was the offense scoring a game, bro? Hey, Chad, somebody tell me something.

51:33Joe Haden:Five to 30. Bruh, come on. You telling me you...

51:39James Harrison:They give us 30? Bruh, they give our defense 30, bruh. We would have been undefeated. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Undefeated. 30 a game? Stop playing with them. And they got some picks from your boy going over there to Green Bay.

52:00Joe Haden:Uh, Michael.

52:02James Harrison:Didn't they get something from that?

52:03Joe Haden:Man, listen. They got, they have a lot of, they have a lot of assets. Listen. Jerry. You about to make some shake. Jerry, listen, man.

52:14James Harrison:But they going to get, they tagging my man. Jerry, Jerry, listen. Y 'all tell Jerry, any of y 'all out here who are Cowboys, Cowgirls fans, whatever it is, Cowboys fans. Listen. Tell Jerry Show us That he care more about That football team Than that oil money man And go ahead and drop What you need to get Max Crosby on your team

52:41Joe Haden:Man it's gonna We gonna see Go ahead He said he owe him He said I feel sorry For you guys Show me My bad guys I'm gonna go ahead Mad Max I'm gonna go ahead He got Look He's showing Look If I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan though if I'm a Cowboys fan, I'm geeked. I'm happy because he brought in George Pickens. He's doing little stuff that makes it like, okay, that's a vibe. I like that. You addressing things that we need. And our team is not trash. Dak is not trash. I don't think people get Dak Prescott. Dak is not trash. Dak is not Dak.

53:19James Harrison:Listen, Dak. Dak. Dak. Listen. I used to think Dak was just a late gamer because he's up by so many, but last year, I ain't gonna lie to you, man. He was doing it.

53:30Joe Haden:Yes, man. We're watching the game. He's putting the ball in good places.

53:34James Harrison:Yeah, yeah, he's doing it. Ball placement, yes. I ain't gonna lie to you, man.

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21:30 - Browns Trade Talks with Cards for Marvin Jr.
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