Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Tyreek Hill to Pittsburgh? Steelers NFL Draft plans + Browns hire a new DC

17:01Joe Haden:Yes. What is this? MySword Delane or something like that. Uh-huh.

17:05James Harrison:Uh-huh, uh-huh.

17:05Joe Haden:Yeah, and they're predicting him somewhere between, like, that 9 and 15 spot. If we could jump up, you know, switch off, you know, that one spot with somebody and give them one of those extra 6s or 7s that we got, you know, Maybe we could jump up high enough to go ahead and grab him. Where do you think it at?

17:29James Harrison:With all of the draft picks that we have and with all of the pieces that we need, I think Omar and them need to really find out who – this is going to be on the recognition of when they pick these guys, we have all the pieces that we need. They need to execute and figure out who's the cornerback if they want to get a cornerback that they want, who's really the receivers that we're trying to get, and we need to execute on the guys that we pick. So having all of these 12 picks, I don't think we need to have all 12. Like you're saying, if we need to put two together, get a little earlier. Listen, I like having to don't trade none of the ones in the top 100.

18:09Joe Haden:Unless you're getting something in that same.

18:12James Harrison:At 21, so if we're at 21, are you taking the best corner or are you taking the best receiver?

18:21Joe Haden:it also it will it also depends on who's there because traditionally what the stillers used to do is they're going to take the best on the board and they're going to you know move on from there so if the receivers that they are saying okay this is the receiver that we want to take if he's there this is the other this is the other this is the other now after that all these other receivers are round two now we can go and say all right who's who's the first corner that we want who's the second corner and if it comes down to where all the receivers that were a one to them are gone then the next thing is okay who was your one corners that may still be there or in that process like you said if it's like okay it's only two receivers we're looking at you see these first two dudes go and you know in the first whatever number of rounds and you're still behind that that nine to 15 frame and the teams coming up don't look like or look like they may want to take a different position or that's further back because they don't want to have that you know the high number on it maybe it's an opportunity where we can go in there and be like hey we'll give you our 21st move you back instead of you having to grab at 10 you can grab who you really want at 21 even though it's a person that may be a 25 pick, but they like, all right, we don't want to go ahead and do that.

19:46Joe Haden:We go switch that and then we get another seven with it or six on the back end. We get what we need. So I think that's something. Yes. There's going to be a best on the board approach, but at the same time, it's going to be best on the board based on positioning of how they have ranked and rated, you know, DBEs, C-verses and so on.

20:06James Harrison:Yeah. It's a lot of talent. That's the one thing. It's a whole lot of talent coming out this year. And the evaluators, our scouts, our department, our people that when we pick and who they rank, it's going to have to hit. You know what I'm saying? Like there's a bunch of linebackers that everybody's saying, oh yeah, this is going to be the guy. This is going to be the one. And there's been other picks that have been better, like later draft picks that are actually like really good NFL players. So us having all of these draft picks, all of these positions that we need, and having a lot of ballplayers in the draft is going to be on them to kind of pick the right guys.

20:41James Harrison:For me, I'm wanting us to get a receiver. Great receiver. We have to. Cornerback also. But like you said, I'm linebacker before cornerback because we need somebody in the middle of that defense, like signal calling.

21:00Joe Haden:Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but with you, I don't care about the signal calling itself. I care about you being able to do both because we're switching out a lot of, you know, guys. Not even a lot. It's a few guys in and out. It's only two inside backers, but we're switching them out. And if we can have a guy in there and not basically show our hand of what it is that we're thinking you're going to do by putting that person in that position, I think it helps a lot, especially if he could do both. Like, we got so many picks in that middle ground where a lot of guys or a lot of teams aren't really like, okay, I got to get this in the second or this in the third.

21:34They're like, okay, let me drift on down to the fourth or something like that.

21:40Joe Haden:Like, we got a lot in that first, I believe it's the first three rounds right there that we can get, like, real good quality, especially big men. You know what I'm saying? It's going to be hard to get those positional guys, you know, the corners and some of the linebackers. But like the bigger bodies, we'll be able to get a good bigger body through, you know, those those positions. I think for, like you said, receiver or whatever it may be, a corner, we have to move up to get exactly what it is we want or sit back and wait and just pick off best of the board when that time comes. You know, they also have hell.

22:17Joe Haden:We still can pick up people when we still sign people.

22:22James Harrison:You know, yeah.

22:23Joe Haden:Yeah, yeah. I think we're like number nine highest cap space, I think. It's like almost 45 million, I think, in cap space. So like we got 12 picks. We got 45 to work with. Like we could do some real damage here, dude. Like, it could possibly, like they say, it may not be a rebuild. It may be a reload, you know, opportunity. And we may maybe for the first year and then, boom, take off like New England did. You know what I'm saying?

22:56James Harrison:The thing is, Devo, you said it right. We have the picks. We know what we need. And the players just got to come out there and play. And like you said, too, with the linebacker, we need somebody that can do both. I didn't mean signal caller. I meant the guy. When I said signal caller, that means he's not coming out. He's the guy in the middle linebacker. He's playing there during the run and during the pass. So definitely, definitely, definitely they need that, too. So I'm with you. I think we had the picks. I think, Omar, this is going to be a time for them to show what we're going to do. How good are they at picking talent?

23:34James Harrison:Sometimes it hasn't been, like you said, that good. We haven't re-signed a lot of our guys. But now this is going to be a big one for McCarthy and for Omar, showing what they're going to do moving forward. Because this is young. You have a lot of picks. And with Herbic, he hit, you know what I'm saying, Highsmith, Watt. Those are a couple of the latest ones that have hit. But this is a big draft where we can really get some dudes. Washington coming out of last year's draft was good. So, you know, just hitting on your draft picks is the main thing.

24:08James Harrison:Oh, no, Debo. Okay, okay. So look, so Debo, so I'm going to say hitting on our draft picks is what we need to do, obviously. We got a lot of them. So I just want to ask you guys, chat. Y 'all are worrying about when we talk about our quarterback position, do you guys think Will Howard should really get a chance? I do. We drafted him, and did we draft him for no reason? Like, I understand that we had last year, we had Mason Rudolph. Coach T was really a lot more familiar with him. But we didn't draft Will Howard for no reason. He's a big guy. He's a big quarterback. Mike McCarthy, I feel like he'll be able to work with him and be able to just see what he got.

24:48James Harrison:We have too many picks. I mean, just I don't really believe in too many of the quarterbacks unless we're going from the Indiana quarterback. I like him. The other guys, I don't really trust them too much. So I would not want to go drafting a quarterback, even high. We could draft them late because we have all of these picks, but not really like investing a high pick and trying to get a quarterback when there's so many other positions that I know that we can get. And there's such a deep draft and so many other spots that we can really get a player that may be able to start for us right now instead of just getting a quarterback that we're like, we need a quarterback.

25:23James Harrison:Why don't we just draft one? That's like wasting the pick. Don't want to do that. So do y 'all feel the same way about getting Will Howard? Okay, Will Howard, give him a chance. Yes, give him some time. Yes, yes, yes. Thank you. I knew I wasn't tripping. Knew I wasn't tripping. So hold on. Other question then, guys. We got the 21st pick. Do you think we should, since we have the 21st, the 53rd, the 76th, we got two in the third, one in the second, one in the first. would you trade up or would you think because like do you think we have the best receiver do you think Jordan Tyson will be available from Arizona State at 21 do you

26:14I think he will be I think he will be I think that we really need a receiver and this draft

26:20James Harrison:class is deep enough. Tate, receiver, trade up, trade the 21 up. I'm saying, if I don't fly, trade up, trade up, trade up. I hope not trade up. Trade up, okay, okay, okay, okay, no, for sure. I can respect it because you mean which picks will we trading up though? Like, we gonna give away some, we give like these, some of these sevenths. Some of these sevenths trade up to like top 10? We're going to see Because we did it for my man D. Bush I saw it when we did it for D. Bush I was on the squad when we did it for D. Bush

27:02James Harrison:Let's go So, alright Honestly

27:11James Harrison:Ah, you know what too? See, James is out here leaving me by myself You talking about my house is made of What do you call my house? A dud or something? This man doesn't even have Wi-Fi. He got to get his Wi-Fi right. See, I'm on time out here doing it, making sure everything's good. And we're talking about the Steelers, our team. He's all, Steelers this, Steelers that. Get out of here. Get out of here, Debo. This is the Joe Show. Welcome to the Joe Show. New intro to the Joe Show. All right. Let me see. What am I going to pop off with now?

27:49Hmm.

27:50James Harrison:George Pickens. We were going to talk about the George Pickens contract. So reports are coming out of findings. And this is what I'm talking about about this too. When it's time to get paid, everybody got something to say. Everybody want to talk trash. During the season, they were doing a really good job of probably trying to protect George, acting like everything was good. And everything was good. He was being a great teammate. He was balling out. He was snapping. We didn't hear nothing. But as soon as it's contract time, they want to act like, oh, he was late. He was missing meetings and doing all that stuff.

28:28James Harrison:And that's why I respect Parsons and anybody that sees the stuff from the slander of the oak. This is what I'm going to tell my young dudes in the league, though. you have to not don't give them a reason not to pay you try to stay out the way try to be as good as you can in the media yes sir no sir just stay out the way because they're trying to find a reason not to pay you they know that that's what it is so brothers since my sister's out here NFL players stay locked in where is Debo Debo you back I'm right here. Can you see me? No, I can see you on your phone.

29:11Joe Haden:I got to be on my phone, man. My Wi-Fi, I told you, man, I ain't got that money like that, man. I'm up here living on damn, you know.

29:20James Harrison:Your house is made of sticks. That's what it is, bro. Your house is made of sticks. It was nothing I could do about it. What you want me to do? It's all good with you. I don't know what's going on. Where we at? Well, we started, we went to George. We started talking about George Pickens and how when you start getting the contracts, how they start, you know, bringing up old things.

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32:31James Harrison:How does this help people? That's how we're making banking more simple, more seamless, and more intuitive. But most importantly, that's how TD is making banking more human. Well, see, before, you know, before he left the Steelers, that was one of the things that they had talked about is maturity, all the other stuff.

32:54Joe Haden:A lot of they're skippy. but now when he got there it was like oh all that stuff y 'all talking about that's not even you know that's not true that's not even that don't even we're not having those issues now come time he go out there blow up put down numbers that's better than your receiver that you just paid a guapa money to now all of a sudden you know what it was some issues you know Now, you want to let it out there or put it out there. As Michael Parsons said in his tweet right here, he's like, he said, I hope y 'all peep the slander. New player contract, same agenda. Shaking my head. Dude, that's what it is.

33:43Joe Haden:I mean, you can't keep going to the same well, especially back to back, and think ain't nobody go see what's going on. Like, they see what's going on. It's right there. It's plain and simple. You got to either franchise him. That's just go holding. But they got to pay, man. And if it's me, they got to pay me more, man. I did more. And it's later. And, hey, C.D. said he want to see him get paid more.

34:13James Harrison:A thousand percent. Of course, you know C.D. want to see him get paid. But C.D. wants to see his man get paid because he's been balling out. But this is what it comes down to also. They're not going to want to, they don't want to pay him the ultimate, ultimate bag. He's trying to get over CD bag. He's trying to go get$35 million a year. And I think with the Dallas Cowboys, if all things being true, if he is out there and they're like, look, we can tag you. And this is where you just having a good name, you being able to stay out the way is where they can be able to contract or give you guaranteed money.

34:50James Harrison:Now they're like, all right, we're going to make you give you year by year. So they might tag them, give them that tag for$28 million this year. And then they got up to two years tag. So it's probably 28 this year, 30 next year. So he would want to get a two-year, say a four-year contract for up to 30, 30, say 30, 30, 60, 90, 120. If he signed a four-year 120, it'd be with 60 guaranteed. They're looking at it like - He ain't going to do that in the United States. No, no, no. That's what I'm saying. He's looking for a four-for-120 with 60 guaranteed. They're looking at it like, no, we can give you an individual one for 28, and then the next year will be a one for 30.

35:29James Harrison:So that's the same money, but it's like, as a player, obviously you want that guarantee so you know no matter what happens to yourself, you're going to be good. The team is like, man, listen, we don't trust you enough. We trust you enough to give you$28 million this year, and then we trust you enough to give you$30 million the next year. You know what I'm saying? So you can see how the team is like, it's good. We giving you. It ain't even. And for him, for a player, I'm not rocking. But what you going to do? you're going to sit down. Then you look like Le 'Veon Bell, though. When they're like, oh, no, you're going to play on it or you're going to sit out?

36:04James Harrison:Because they have your rights. When they got you, they could tag you. If they tag you, then you're stuck.

36:11Joe Haden:Well, here's the thing is you can accept the tag, go through, and like I said. Still negotiate. Yeah, you can accept the tag, negotiate, go through it. And, you know, you don't want to let me go. You want to hold me here. You know, you can't. You hold somebody hostage, ain't no telling what started happening to their body when the season started. You know what I'm saying? Mysterious illness and, you know, pains.

36:38James Harrison:I don't know. I'm just saying. Hey, look, I hear you and I understand you. I hear you. I hear you. I hear you.

36:46Joe Haden:Contract time come, they got something totally different to say. The whole agenda switches. But, you know, when he ain't paying you, he talked about Jerry Jones, actually. he talked about how, you know, he's a Hall of Famer because of Michael Irvin. You know, he basically said if it wasn't for Mike, he wouldn't have got in there. He actually, I think he said something along the lines of, when Michael talks, I listen. Like, that was his words. Like, that's wild. But he ain't got, yeah, he ain't paying, you know, he ain't got to pay Michael Irvin right now, you know. Jerry Jones is like, yeah, I'm going to give you your credit now because I ain't got to pay you nothing for it.

37:25Joe Haden:Oh, for sure.

37:27James Harrison:For sure.

37:28Joe Haden:Yeah, he's not on the payroll. Oh, no. He's in contract negotiations. Yeah. Hey, none at all, man. What y 'all got over there going on in Cleveland, Joe? Huh? Huh? What y 'all got going on over there in Cleveland?

37:43James Harrison:We just hired a new, we just got a new DC.

37:47Joe Haden:What's his name? Mike Ruttenberg? Yes. Yeah, that's the DC now.

37:53James Harrison:Yes. You like that? honestly, we had to do something. My man's young. He got energy. I like him. I like his juice. I like his juice. I can't say he hasn't been calling plays too much before. I think this is going to be his first time being a play caller. But we had to hire someone. We had to get a defensive coordinator out there. I'm glad it's him because I like the energy that he brings. But it's more like, for me, I can't say if he's going to be good or bad. You know what I'm saying? I just know what Coach Todd Munkin told us is we were going to be keeping the same system. I don't know what system he plans on bringing in, but I don't know.

38:35James Harrison:I got to see. I got to see. Because what Jim Swartz left me with, you know what I'm saying, is resigning, and we thinking he was going to be there. And now when Munkin said we were going to keep his defensive scheme because it was good for us, you know what I'm saying, I was rocking. And now we're bringing in a new defensive coordinator. I hope whatever scheme I don't want him to have to keep the scheme I want him to bring what he wants you know what I'm saying so we will see I don't know I like his energy though and we need him and I just hope he brings his own I hope he brings his own scheme Debo that's what I'm saying I don't want him to have to bring what sports wants him to do

39:13Joe Haden:I'm just saying like he was what the linebacker coach with the Jets 21 through 24 and they who I mean, the run game didn't really hoop like that. You know what I'm saying? It was like 29, 16, 25, 17 in those four years. The defense hooped. It was 3-3, 4, but the last one I think was like 28 or something. And then he went to Atlanta as the passing game coordinator for the defense. and even then I think they was 22nd in the league or something like that. Like, if I'm a Browns fan, I don't know if I like this. I probably don't like this. But as a Steeler fan, I like this. I like this for y 'all, you know?

40:03Joe Haden:I understand, you know, he don't have any experience, but, you know, you want to get somebody else. I like that for y 'all. I really do. It's a good thing. I think they also said he is a good teacher of fundamentals and, like, back-end technique, particularly in coverage. But, I mean, I don't know how much that helped y 'all because y 'all really had no issues in the back-end with, you know, y 'all major issues.

40:35James Harrison:Our defense is not the problem. We need him to come in here and bring the same. Just the team's going to buy in to a good coach. If he knows what he's talking about, he believes in what he's talking about, he knows X's and O's, he's putting people in the positions that they should be in to win, then they're going to believe in him. So I'm not, we got professionals on the defensive side of the ball. I'm just hoping he brings the professionalism that we already got over there. So just bringing that, I can't say if he's going to be good or bad because he hasn't called plays before. But I like his energies, and I'm hoping that he just brings that to us.

41:10So with that, I'm rocking.

41:13James Harrison:It's just that Jim Swartz kind of left us in a little sticky situation. I didn't like the way that it left, but it is what it is. What you laughing at, D-Bow?

41:25Joe Haden:Listen, Joe, I'm just saying. I'm looking at stuff right here, man, and I'm seeing, like, I mean, your offensive line wasn't good, but it looks like you're going to lose All of them are free agents.

41:41Every, what is it?

41:42Joe Haden:You got, what is it, Robinson there. He's a free agent. You got, what you got here? You got Nito. You got the whole line from the left guard to the right tackle. They all free agents. What y 'all going to do, man?

42:02James Harrison:We're going to have to show up the line. That's what I'm saying. And the thing, our defense. You going to keep any? You going to try and keep any? We're going to try to keep a couple. We're going to try to keep Teller for show. And we're going to figure out what Joel's doing. But, you know, we got draft picks. So we definitely need to fix it. And that's the thing. We got draft picks. We got Young. Our defense is already good. Our running back, our tight ends. So we have a lot of positions that we don't. The Browns don't have to fill everything. So we need to fill our offensive line and we need to get skill positions.

42:38James Harrison:When we get our offensive line intact, like you said, we don't have a lot of line right now, but we know that we have a good defense. We know we have a good running back. Right now, I don't think we need to get a quarterback. You know what I'm saying? We're working with Shador. We have Dylan Gabriel still there as the backup. But Shador gets a good year with the new coach, gets some weapons around him, get Junkins back healthy. You know what I'm saying? So with us, we need a whole offensive line restructured for sure. Get some ballers out there. Spend some money on it. Invest assets on the line and wide receiver on the outside.

43:12James Harrison:So if we do that, our defense is already good. Our defense is solid. We need to get a line. We need to get some outside receivers that can make plays, that can get open. Like when we look at the Cincinnati Bengals, I always say that, but they have Jamar Chase and T. Higgins. When Joe Flacco goes there, when he switched out from Joe Burrow, Joe Flacco left the Browns and went there and was throwing for 500 yards a game. Not just because it was the different Joe Flacco. It's because he had dudes out there that can get open and catch the ball. So we get Shador out there with some dudes that can catch the ball at wide receiver.

43:45James Harrison:We already got Fannin, Fannin Jr. tight end. We got Junkins at the back. We're good. Get a line that can block, protect them, keep them on his feet. And then our defense out there hooping. So offensive line, all the draft picks that we have, all the money that we have, get a line that can keep your quarterback standing on his feet and get some receivers that can catch the ball and go make plays. And then we can go figure it out from there. So Browns hiring my man to D.C. Cool. You already got a bomb squad. You got Miles. You got Denzel Ward. You got Balders. We drafted my man. The rookie last year was balling out too.

44:20James Harrison:Who? You just don't mess it up. Don't mess it up, Mike. Okay? Go out there and ball out and call good plays and make sure the team is executing and hold people accountable. You know what I'm saying? Do your job. Have a good plan. Have a good scheme. Have a good plan. If you do that, we're good. We'll be good.

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