Deebo & Joe - Part 2: AJ Brown Shades Jalen Hurts? + Henry Ruggs Denied Parole

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1:50Oh, man. We're going to go over here to Philly. Well, let's say Philly because it's in Philly right now. So according to Mike Garofalo, when A.J. Brown went to pick up his things at the Eagles facility, he signed the picture of him in the building with the message, the best to ever play here, always open. Yo, what do you think of that? Best to ever play here, always open. You think that's an accurate statement? How do you feel, D-Bow? What do you think? Me? Yes. Now, the best to ever play here. Now, you got to listen to the best to ever play here. That's not just saying I'm the best. Ever to play here.

2:33To play here. Okay? The best to ever play there is Reggie White. Reggie White, eight seasons, period, 124 sacks. Okay? And that was when they wasn't even throwing a ball like they throwing now. No, that's for sure. Bro, D-line, you know what he had to do to get 124 sacks? Then, in eight seasons, seven times, seven straight Pro Bowls, dude, over there. For me, the greatest defensive lineman that ever played a game, you did that in eight years, bro. Back when they weren't throwing the rock. They was running the rock then, Joe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, for sure. So you're going to say that? Yeah, so.

3:14I'm 100 % against that. I understand confidence. I understand confidence. That's cool. But that is beyond reaching. That's just – maybe he forgot. What about if he was just talking about receivers? I mean, if he's talking about receiver, I could say talent-wise, no, he did have the single-season receiving record for Philly. You know, when he first got there, he did that. So, I mean, if you're talking about a period of time, then maybe. But, like, the whole – The whole body of work, you saying? Body of work, that's a little hard. I mean, what they got him, eighth all-time as the Eagles receiving yards?

3:54Only receiving, yeah. They got Hall of Famers and all that sitting up in there. I mean. Man, look, if you ain't there that long and you up there at eight and you feel like that, I mean, I'm, who am I to judge? If he feel like he better than them? So you telling me he's the best ever to play here? I wouldn't go in there and write it. That's for sure. The best ever to play here, bro. I would say only person out of the list, I mean, I would go, T.O.'s not even on the list, but just as far as the individual, you got to have longevity to get the receiving yard numbers. But if you only play there for a short amount of time, other people that did 10, 12 years at the same spot want to have better numbers than you.

4:37Okay, so you're saying the best ever to play there that you feel like he's the best ever to play there for what he did when he was there? I feel like it might—no, for receiver for me, I'm going to go with T.O. I was about to say. I'm going to go with T.O. Because it's short time, like all these receiving leaders stuff, I'm like, the best player when he put on a jersey for me, I don't care how long he played there, T.O. at wide receiver. That's who I like. Well, I could give him the best to ever— the best to have the highest receiving yards in a year. I don't know. No, I guess I can do that. No, no, that's what I'm saying.

5:13He could have – you could have an argument. I mean, he feels like he has an argument because when I'm looking at the list, I mean, longevity, went to receiving numbers and all that stuff, that's what puts you up into the highest of the Philly Eagles, like receiving list and yards list. You got to be there for a long amount of time. But when you talk about your impact in a season, for a season, were you the best to play there? I could see why he could be like, yeah, I'm better than them. You know what I'm saying? And for us, for you, for me, T.O. maybe. But then with yards-wise, he had the most yards in the season there at receiver.

5:45So, like, I can see where he's coming from. So you don't – so you agree or you – No, I don't – I do not agree. But I can see why he's putting it out there, why he could have a leg to stand on. He has an argument. He's not no bum coming out here just shooting stuff. Oh, no, no, no. Ain't nobody – We used to talk about that eighth ever in Philly. But when you say the best ever to play here, like always open. Like you add the always open. Strong statements. But like you said, Debo, he led. He was the highest receiving yards. Receiving yards. Single season. For single season. Yeah. In Philly. I understand that.

6:28I understand that. I mean, that's his thing. You know, always open. That's how it go. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Commercial. Always open. On the way out. On the way out, letting y 'all know. On the way out, letting y 'all know. I'm still open. But then, you know, they got AJ. He over there. He's saying how impressed he is by Drake May. He said, I think what's more impressive to me is he knows what he's doing. I really admire that. He said, listen, listen, bro. Listen. Hold on, bro. Hold on, bro. He said, I really admire that he knows what he's talking about, and he demands everyone else to know as well.

7:05He said he's a true leader of men. What is that saying? He throwing shade? What's going on? You tell me. I mean, listen, I'm going to tell you right now, bro. Hold on. This damn mic keep falling.

7:25All right, I got you now. I got you. All right, cool, cool. Can you hear me? Yeah. All right. So, for me, I'm going to say, I had to sit down, I had to really look at the article, right? Yes. You broke it down. I had to break it down. Okay. Thank you. Please. I like it. Let me know how you feel, my good brother. Hey, listen. Listen. I'm listening. What he's saying is, normally, for me, you know me, I go and I start getting into things. But AJ is being complimentary of his current quarterback, his knowledge, his leadership. You know, he's excited about his future, you know, and what it could be with Drake May.

8:21Yeah. But, you know, he also said you got to get the whole quote in there to be that young and understand the defense and understand every little check, the hots, the blitzes, all the things so fast is very impressive. OK, so I really admire that he knows what he's talking about. So when you add that in front and don't just take, I admire that he knows what he's talking about. And, you know, he's a leader of men and all that other stuff. You take that out from the beginning, then it sounds like he might be throwing some shade. Okay. I don't think he's throwing any shade because I went and sat down and looked at the whole idea of what he was saying like as it's portrayed in the words and I understand the things that you say can mean something different you know and the things you don't say can mean something too because you didn't say nah You know, A.J.

9:35Brown, he know what he's doing. With A.J. Brown, being A.J. Brown, I don't think he would have slid on saying, this is something I ain't used to if that's how he was trying to really throw shade at the other side, especially after you just signed the pitcher, the best ever to do it, always open. So I think that's just him showing confidence, his new quarterback, being extremely impressed by a guy who is in year, what, two, three, that has a grasp of the offense like that. That's what I think is happening, and I think he is saying. I don't think it's as much shade as it is just being. June is Black Music Month, and on the Drink Champs podcast, we're speaking with the hottest names in the culture, like Sway Lee.

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15:49So you could quickly look at that because when the relationship is a little fractured, when you left with your previous quarterback, and then when you go to a team and then you start speaking on, I think it's more impressive to me that he knows what he's doing. I'm like, wouldn't any quarterback in the NFL kind of like know what he's doing? We know that's not true, Joe. I mean, yeah, you're correct. You're correct. You're correct. But I'm saying like he's coming from Jalen Hurts. All right. Long story short, I'm going with what you're saying, Debo. I'm going to hope in that he's really just trying to boost his younger quarterback, Drake Mann, saying how he sees just so many good things in him.

16:26He knows offense. He's leader of men. He just carries himself a certain type of way that he really respects and that he really is excited to work with him. but when you say it's just tough now because you know that how the relationship was and with the other previous quarterback with Jalen so when you're saying the things I'm like is it not about him but at the end of the day he's going to a new team he's with his new quarterback so I'm going to go with what you said okay you're gonna go with what I said I'm gonna go what you said yeah well Joe, hold up. Let me go ahead and get to thinking. So, if I was...

17:06If I was two different kind of people, which I can be, I told you I got one here and one here. To me, this right here is saying, hey, bruh, do y 'all know how much I could have really did? I was always open if I had a quarterback that could get the ball to me and see that I was open because he knew what he was looking at, how to read the hots, how to read the blitzes, how to read the defense, how to get the ball to who you're supposed to get it to. That would have been great. He's saying now that I am going to have a great time over here because I got a quarterback that is young. I mean, he's going to be around here with me for a while.

17:57Very impressive. Man has an understanding, knowledge of the game, a grasp of it. He knows what to do when he gets in those situations. Wow. Listen, Joe, listen, I'm just telling you. I told you what I thought, but I'm telling you what the other me thought is thinking. It's two different people's side of me. That's what I'm trying to tell you. I was thinking of the other side of Deebo, what he was thinking about, but I'm like, you know what? Let me not even go there. You was thinking about the other side of Deebo? Oh yeah, I was thinking about the other side. I'm hoping that he's really just pushing his young quarterback to be good.

18:30But I know AJ Brown, I know he be talking sometimes. So I think he might be throwing a little bit of shade, but I'm going to go with the not shade part. That's kind of how it was going. So I knew exactly what you was talking about. I just broke it down a little bit. You said, no, this is what I think. I'm just telling you with the other side. I got the shoulder. Other shoulder. Listen, I can see both ways. I think that's a talent. And I think it's a skill. I think it's something that a lot of people can't do. And in that sense, I think when you can do that and you can actually see it, You don't have to to to be able to understand it or reason it because.

19:12Like when you see things happen that are just messed up situations, you see somebody going there and they do something crazy and you're like, dude, what the hell happened? Why would you go like if you could understand that and have a reason and a rhyme for it, you'd be just as crazy as them. Yes. OK. Everything don't make sense. But to some people's mind, it could. okay right all right yeah you got that but i don't understand it but i see i don't even see where you're coming from but i hear you yeah yeah so that's what i'm saying you know if it was no friction between them this wouldn't even be a story though yeah if it just ended up being that he left and and you know they traded him and it was no no beef no issues throughout the whole year like all that other stuff and you know them having a you know an issue and him saying what he said then this would be a no-brainer.

20:04A, he's happy to be where he's at. It would have been no pushback of, A, is this possibly him throwing shade at Jalen? No. It would have been a no. But now, hey, when the smoke is fine, man, listen, when things are said that don't match what you're seeing, the actual actions, then it's an issue. And then when the actions don't match the words, it's an issue. I could say one thing and do something totally else. And I could, you know, do something different and say something totally, like, the two got to match. It ain't nothing, you know, it wasn't nothing that was really matching, Joe. It wasn't nothing that was really matching.

20:49He's putting that man, I ain't going to lie to you, I'm excited for Drake May, though, because he's putting him on. He's saying he's doing the right things, taking over the control of the meetings. and you know how that is sometimes when you got a young quarterback, if you don't know everything. Well, see, I don't know. I can't. I can't. No, you got it. You got to realize, though, but in a Drake made position, like when you franchise, bro, you brought in there to lead the franchise, dude, you got to be ready to come in and assert some sort of leadership. I feel you, though, but you got to at the same time, it takes you to know what the hell you doing.

21:25Because when he says leader. But knowledge of knowing what you're doing takes no skill. It's just listening, learning. I can get anybody to understand how to play a position. The skill to do it is the problem. You need both. I understand that. You need the skill to do it. But what I'm saying is I can get anybody to learn the position. I can teach you how to look at a coverage. I can teach you how to read a coverage. I can teach you all that. that's not actually putting the ball where it needs to go and everything else with the placement of it. That's why you have coaches that are great coaches could never play the game.

22:01No, because you know where to go with it, but you still can't get the ball there. You got to be able to fucking throw first. You got to be able to throw. Then you know everywhere to go. I need to throw it right there on the slant, but you can't throw a slant. You don't have to lead them. Then that's about it. Well, you got some people that know, hey, I need to throw the slant. I can throw it. Well, they know they can throw the slant. I can get the slant there, but they don't know when to throw the damn slant. And some of them don't go ahead and take the time to actually learn and build that knowledge to know when to throw the slant.

22:32I feel it. So. They might work. No question. No question. But I guess they play in the preseason, so, I mean, it ain't going to really be no smoke there. No. That's preseason. If they play. If the starters play. No. Especially now. You only got three games. Man, we ain't going to know too much about them until regular season. They're trying to keep them boys healthy. Oh, yeah, for sure. But then you tell you, like, when you don't put in that work, man, you don't get that time to get those reps. I know. All that, man, you get into that season, and that's why I keep trying to tell people. That's why you get all these soft tissue injuries, man.

23:11You got all these guys that ain't really – they ain't put in that work. They ain't put in that time. They ain't did those 30, 40 reps or whatever that may be, and then you tell them, you know, after they done did, you know, 30 reps in the practice that spread over two hours, now you tell them, go in here and give me 65 reps in an hour. Body is like, yo, what are you doing to me? Mm-hmm. You ain't even work me up to this, buddy. You know? Shocked. Bruh. I guess X-Raiders wide receiver Henry Ruggs denied parole after, I guess, that crash from five years ago, Ruggs 27, will be eligible for parole again in August of 27, August 24th, and could appear before the Nevada Board of Parole Commissions next May.

24:07Parole Board Commissioner Sandy Schmidt said during Ruggs' parole hearing that Ruggs was non-compliant with a travel arrangement last October and an aggravating factor in the board's decision. Bruh, what do you think? You think they should have let him go? Do you think they should have let him go? I mean, where are you at in this? Yeah, this is a full-blown, just tough situation. And I think he was going one. It was 150 drunk driving, hit someone, killed someone, Deebo. So for me, and I don't know what happened with this parole and stuff, but like it always just it was obviously unfortunate situation for him.

24:56And I just drinking and driving is something that you can't mess around with. You consciously did it, ended up taking somebody's life, driving 150 miles an hour. I would hope that he's able to really get in there and get some stuff together. But I'm just thinking if he were to kill my family member in the joint, I don't think that that's our hope. I don't know. I just think right now and he deserves another chance. He's a young man, but I don't know how much he just got some some some things have to be done.

25:30So the noncompliance with the travel arrangement last October, I don't know what that was, to be honest with you. But how are you going to be noncompliant on anything? Like, you can't be non-compliant on anything. And when you, you know, when you look back at it, like you said, like, you took somebody's life. And it's not just that. It's, you know, the circumstances behind how it happened. You're talking 156 miles an hour, a 0.16 blood alcohol level. They say that was almost twice the Nevada, you know, legal limit. And you took a 23. Mainstream media is full of cruel depictions of the unhoused.

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