Deebo & Joe - Part 2: David Montgomery TRADED to Texans, Cardinals to CUT Kyler Murray

2 Mar 2026 · 43 min · 17 chapters

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Episode Summary In this episode of Nightcap, NFL legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden discuss key recent moves in the NFL, including David Montgomery's trade to the Houston Texans and the Arizona Cardinals' rumored release of quarterback Kyler Murray. The hosts provide their unfiltered takes on various topics, including minority hiring incentives in the NFL, bizarre combine questions, and player performances.

Key Topics Discussed

  1. NFL Minority Hiring Incentives
  2. Ryan Poles' Statement: Discussed the NFL's minority hiring incentives that reward teams with third-round picks if a minority coach or executive is hired as a GM or head coach.
  3. Opinions:
  4. Deebo finds the incentives odd, emphasizing that staff development should be merit-based rather than incentivized through draft picks.
  5. Joe expresses concern that this can lead to perceptions of hiring based on sympathy rather than qualifications.
  1. Combine Experiences
  2. Fernando Mendoza's Bizarre Questions: Mentioned a bizarre comment made during a combine interview about getting arrested.
  3. Deebo's Experience: Shared that he was mostly asked serious football questions and had to take responsibility for any mistakes in his play.
  4. Joe's Experience: Recalled funny and odd questions, highlighting the oddity of asking players what animal they would prefer to be.
  1. Player Highlights
  2. KC Concepcion's Speech Impediment: The hosts discuss how Concepcion was ridiculed for his speech impediment during interviews and emphasize the importance of supporting those with speech challenges.
  3. Supportive Take: Deebo and Joe uplift the importance of resilience and support while criticizing negative online behavior.
  1. David Montgomery Trade
  2. Trade Details: Montgomery was traded from the Detroit Lions to the Houston Texans for a fourth-round pick, a seventh-round pick, and an offensive lineman.
  3. Reactions:
  4. Deebo expresses excitement for Montgomery's potential and toughness, while Joe reflects on the implications of this change for both teams.
  1. Kyler Murray's Situation
  2. Cardinals' Release Rumors: Discussion around the potential release of Kyler Murray and the financial implications for the team.
  3. Concerns: Talks about Murray's leadership and performance issues, with speculation on what this means for his future.
  1. NFL Draft and Player Contracts
  2. Jerry Jones' Comments: Reflects on the Cowboys' championship drought and his admission of failing the fanbase.
  3. Contract Considerations: Discussions about player contracts, specifically regarding guaranteed money and the impact on team decisions.
  1. Play or Fade Segment
  2. NBA Predictions: The hosts analyze a lineup from the NBA and decide on whether to "play" or "fade" various player performances, particularly focusing on Kevin Durant and Nikola Jokic.

Key Takeaways

  • Merit-Based Hiring: The discussion on minority hiring incentives highlights the need for genuine development and opportunity in coaching roles rather than systematized incentives.
  • Support for Players: Emphasis on mental health and resilience is crucial in sports, particularly for players facing public scrutiny.
  • Player Movements: Trades and releases can significantly affect team dynamics and strategies moving forward.
  • Entertainment Beyond Sports: The light-hearted banter between the hosts showcases their chemistry and the entertainment value of sports discussions.

Conclusion This episode of Nightcap provides a multifaceted view of current events in the NFL, combining insights on player movements, societal issues within sports, and the importance of mental health and resilience in athletics. The hosts maintain a balance of humor and serious commentary, making for an engaging discussion for sports enthusiasts.

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NFL's Strange Incentive Rules

6:50 to 8:46

Discussion on the NFL's rule rewarding third-round picks for minority hires.

“Because I think at the end of the day, there's great black executives that aren't getting in there.”

Combine Interview Questions

8:46 to 10:50

Insights into unusual questions asked during player combine interviews.

“Well, as a matter of fact, we'll start off with yours.”

Speech Impediment and Confidence

10:50 to 14:00

A conversation about a player's speech impediment and the importance of self-acceptance.

“Some dudes, I know some of my teammates, they had some crazy questions that was asked to them, but - What's the craziest one you heard?”

Personal Reflections on Stuttering

14:00 to 14:44

Exploration of personal experiences with stuttering and its impacts.

“You know, 585, you know, I moved out of Charlotte, you know, when I was about five.”

Standing Against Negativity

14:44 to 15:46

Discussion on resilience and supporting those with speech impediments.

“this is who i am i cannot control this i want to be a role model for those who are scared to speak may be afraid and not confident in themselves.”

The Impact of Online Criticism

15:46 to 16:24

Insight into how online negativity affects individuals and public figures.

“You know what I think you should tell him?”

Empathy and Support in the Community

19:44 to 21:09

Discussion on the importance of empathy and support for those facing challenges.

“Somebody like that, that's somebody's brother.”

Finding Personal Peace in Troubling Times

21:09 to 23:20

Exploration of how to maintain inner peace amidst external negativity.

“And these lames and the Internet is a harsh place.”

Overcoming the Fear of Public Speaking

23:20 to 25:11

Discussion on personal experiences overcoming public speaking anxiety.

“you know, you was probably already comfortable with public speaking and all that, you know.”

Reflections on Cowboys' Championship Drought

25:11 to 26:14

Analysis of Jerry Jones' remarks about the Cowboys' performance issues.

“It was a time, but it was a time that they - It's set up.”
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Negotiating Contracts in the NFL

26:14 to 28:01

Discussion on contract negotiations and player advocacy in the NFL.

“Ain't nobody last through that drought but him.”

Navigating the Kyler Murray Situation

28:01 to 34:20

Discussion on Kyler Murray's contract issues and the potential implications for the Cardinals.

“If they try to keep you on the tag, you're back.”

David Montgomery Trade Analysis

37:09 to 41:38

Analysis of the trade involving David Montgomery and its impact on the Texans.

“But for small business owners, every day is race day.”

NBA Picks and Predictions

41:39 to 42:00

Discussion on NBA game picks and player performances.

NBA Game Lineup Discussion

42:00 to 44:31

Learn about strategic picks for the NBA game and player performance predictions.

“The staff, they cooked up a lineup for us tonight for the NBA game.”

Super Chats and Personal Stories

44:46 to 49:39

Hear listener interactions and personal anecdotes about player spending habits.

“She said, first of all, y 'all are on fire today.”

NFL Quarterback Discussion

49:39 to 51:41

Explore the chances of a quarterback's success and team dynamics.

“Maybe if you got a character that's real indecisive?”
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2:52Joe Haden:Listen, man, Ryan Pohl says the NFL's rewarding of two third round picks in a minority. If two third round picks, if a minority coach or executive leaves to become a GM or head coach is a strange rule. Listen to this, bro. Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest. I think it's it is a little strange. I mean, at the end of the day, you should want to develop your staff regardless of the color of their skin.

3:21James Harrison:I think that's important I think we take a lot of pride with the Bears on how we have our setup and I take a lot of pride in that so to be compensated for that's a little strange I mean

3:32Joe Haden:I saw the Chiefs get a pick because of me and then I watched that player go and play it's just

3:37James Harrison:it's just a little odd but at the end of the day if they think that's what's best to help incentivize then and that's what they wanted to do

3:49Joe Haden:Joe. Yo. What you think of that, Joe? Good? Bad? Indifferent? I could feel - Don't get your honest opinion, because I know you mean - Honest opinion,

3:59James Harrison:that's all I'm about to say. I could feel how somebody could feel like you were wanting it off your own merit and not just off the, like, a sympathy vote. Or once you're - That's kind of how I initially felt. If it's going to incentivize people to make them want to hire you, and it just makes it for somebody that wouldn't have done it otherwise, it just kind of, I don't know, it kind of throws me off a little bit. Basically, that's my initial thought when I first heard it, because I didn't know where he was going to go with it. But awarding NFL for picks of hires is strange. I mean, it feels off a little bit.

4:37James Harrison:It feels off to me. Like, you don't want to do, like, you, the reason why you feel like you always want it. What makes it comfortable is when you get it and it's not with a tag on it. You know what I'm saying? It makes it feel like it's with a tag and I just don't feel comfortable. Yeah.

4:55Joe Haden:So here's where I'm at with it, bro. Yes. I don't know. It's a good thing and it's a bad thing. It's a good thing. If you're black, it's a bad thing. If you're not, because now if I get into this situation and I'm the black coach and I'm up against a white coach and we got two of the same and I'm like, you know what? I could go with either one of them. If I'm the owner, I'm going with a black guy. I need those two third round picks. And now it's a situation where maybe I'm up against another white coach and he may like that coach just a little bit more than me, but do he like him two third round picks more than me?

5:41James Harrison:I don't really like when I'm looking at it, I don't like too many more people than more than the two third round picks. You know what I'm saying? You're a good executive, but you're not coming in here bringing two third round picks.

5:55Joe Haden:Listen, it ain't no fun when the rabbit got the gun. I'll take it.

5:59James Harrison:No, I'll take them. I'll take them two picks. You know what I'm saying? It's a good jump start. That's the only way I'm like this. They coming in fully loaded. I mean, I don't know. Yeah.

6:15Joe Haden:Like I said, man, listen. If it benefits you, you fool it. If it don't, you're not. It's a good idea, you know, way of trying to promote owners to want to use and promote, you know, minority coaches. But it's also, now it's a business tool. Like, now I'm sitting there, did I really get it because I got it or because they needed these two third-rounders that I just picked up that's out here balling?

6:46James Harrison:I mean, you know, since it's going to – Money. Let's use it. I mean, if it's in there, for sure. No question. Because I think at the end of the day, there's great black executives that aren't getting in there. They bring them in there with the third-round pick in and make a, because some of them owners, like you said, they wouldn't hire them otherwise, you know what I'm saying? So if you got to get them in there, get them in there. And that's not that they're going to be, if they don't do well, we're not saying you got to keep the black coaches, but just to be able to get the numbers.

7:13Joe Haden:Okay, so now, is this a situation where I say, you know what? You going to keep doing it? Like I said, I'd like to play devil's advocate, baby. You know, I'm everywhere. So is this a situation where I say, you know what? Hell, I'm going to get me a black head coach. I'm going to get me a black GM. I'm going to get me a black this and then I'm going to fire and get another one. And I'm going to keep getting two threes, two threes, two threes until I get the roster I need.

7:37James Harrison:Ah. Well, yeah, they would be looking crazy if they kept doing that. Listen, this is a business, man.

7:46Joe Haden:Look, I'm in the business of winning. If that's going to help me win, I'm going to even be nice about it. As the head coach, when I fire you, I'm going to make sure the next head coach I fire puts you at OC or DC. Then I'm going to fire him. OC or DC. I'm going to get two three-round picks.

8:08James Harrison:You can't just be sitting there playing with your coaching staff at third-round picks.

8:13Joe Haden:Listen, man, I'm just setting up. Listen, Joe, business is business, man. These are businessmen. I have respect. Okay? Respect. But they think, listen, well, I don't know how much they really care about winning depending on what organization you're at. But I'm just saying it's a possibility, man. These draft picks, that's a thing, you know? Yo, what is it? Fernando Mendoza. Yes. He was asked about the most bizarre question that he had been asked in an interview. and it was that's not a question I think it was more of a statement but he said hey maybe you should he said hey maybe you should get arrested he said I was a little confused and then it was like to slide then he was like to slide down Joe what's some questions that you got asked at the combine that you thought were like real unconventional and then what's the craziest question you got asked and then you can ask me

9:16James Harrison:The craziest, D-Bo, you funny. Well, as a matter of fact, we'll start off with yours. What was your craziest combine question, D-Bo?

9:25James Harrison:That was it. Okay. All right. So.

9:30James Harrison:I'll go ahead and take off. I'll go ahead and take off. Yeah, you'll go ahead. Bro, honestly, though, I'm not going to lie. The combine questions, they didn't ask me too many crazy things. I was kind of locked in. the main thing that they really asked me was when I came in there, it was either like cool, super chill, relaxed, or they'll put me on the board, ask me questions about defenses, all that stuff. Or the worst ones was when they would come in there and they would ask me, they would have my worst play. Like I missed tackle or somebody scored on me, something like that. Few and far in between, they'd be like this, tell me about this play.

10:06James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? And I just had to stand up on there, accept it, take it like, nah, we're right here, we're in man to man. I got a whole player. He got outside release. I didn't put my hand placement in the right. And yeah, I got to make that play. So they didn't ask me nothing too crazy. I think they knew everything. And I was a good dude back in the day, man, back when I was at Florida. So yeah, nothing too crazy. It was just mostly football stuff and asking me, basically standing up, did you mess up on this? And what did you do wrong? I think they really wanted to just meet me and see how I stood up to, was I able to take responsibility for stuff that I did wrong.

10:44James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? So I think it was more like how I react to bad stuff. Okay. Nothing crazy though. Nothing crazy though. Nothing crazy for me. Okay. Okay. Well, Texas. I know more of the character dudes. Some dudes, I know some of my teammates, they had some crazy questions that was asked to them, but - What's the craziest one you heard?

11:01Joe Haden:You ain't got to say the name. Give me something. Give me something, Joe. Man, what did man say?

11:05James Harrison:Like, they was asking them weird stuff. Like, what type of, like, what would you rather be, a dog or a cat? A dog, duh. Dog, duh, but, yeah. That's a stupid question. That's a stupid question.

11:22James Harrison:No, no, no, no. What other choice did he have? Because I remember your normal. Yo. Yo. What superpower would you like to have? That's easy. Teleportation.

11:41James Harrison:That's a good one. If I could have any superpower, I'd be anywhere whenever I want it to be. I don't like that superpower, but it's a good one. That's a great one. What would yours be?

11:56Joe Haden:I want to be invisible. That's a good one. I want to be invisible. That's a good one. I can go wherever I want to and rob they motherfucking ass blind.

12:11James Harrison:Yeah, you got to see. That's right. I'm blind, Joe. I can do that when I teleport, too. No, you can't because you're going to be seeing.

12:19Joe Haden:They got cameras everywhere, Joe.

12:21James Harrison:Oh, man.

12:22Joe Haden:You ain't think about that. Facial recognition, all that.

12:25James Harrison:I'm invisible. I'm going to teleport somewhere fully costumed up. I'm going to be a completely different person. You see these masks? You know when you teleport you gotta be butt naked. No you don't. See you freaky man. I'm making rules up. I'm making it hard. I can teleport however I want to teleport. I can teleport with luggage and I just gotta be able to put my hand on somebody else so they can come with me. Yeah.

12:50Joe Haden:I could use that too as invisible. So we could teleport into a bank vault invisible, rob they ass blind and be up out of there.

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12:59James Harrison:See, but we only, we got to be like, we can't be stealing from the, we got to steal only.

13:04Joe Haden:It's insured money. It's the bank. We stealing from the bank, bruh.

13:08James Harrison:Okay.

13:09Joe Haden:Okay. Like, what are you talking about? This is insured. Okay. All right. We ain't going into Fort Knox and stealing gold bricks. Nah, we can't do that. We can't do that. They heavy anyway. I don't know if you would be a good partner for me to use on that. I don't know if you, but. Chill out, Debo. You know I'm lifting over here. For real. Yo, man, stay over here with the combine. So Texas A &M wide receiver, KC Conceptions. The internet making fun of this man because he got a speech impediment. He was stuttering during this combine interview. Listen to this.

13:50James Harrison:My meeting with the Bills, it went really well. You know, I'm actually from, you know, well, I was actually born in New York. You know, 585, you know, I moved out of Charlotte, you know, when I was about five. You know, that is the Bills is actually my dad's favorite team. So, you know, I've been watching, you know, I have been watching, you know, since I was young. I've been seeing, you know, Josh Allen, you know, he's one of the best quarterbacks in the league. then you know um i'll be grateful

14:28Joe Haden:yeah man these people when is it gee yeah these these people ruthless he uh he later he posted this right here he said i just want to say something if you have a speech impediment there's nothing wrong with us i've had this stutter since i could remember talking this is part of me this is who i am i cannot control this i want to be a role model for those who are scared to speak may be afraid and not confident in themselves. I want to stand with you this weekend. I stand with you this weekend has taught me a lot about myself and people out here in this world. Yeah, they trash, buddy. I appreciate everyone who supports me and has reached out to me after these interviews.

15:08Joe Haden:Don't let outside people's thoughts, opinions get in your way of you being great and achieving something in life. I am blessed to be in the position that I am. I'm in and I want to give help to those give back to those, sorry, who are scared to speak up who haven't, who aren't as confident I stand with you, I will stand with you I will always stand with you we are different for a reason God has blessed me in a way I couldn't even imagine in the past year I love you all support y 'all and we'll climb this mountain together Stop the negativity. Yo, what do you think of this joke? You know what I think you should tell him?

15:54Joe Haden:Hey, man, this all you got to do. Tell him, hey, kiss my black ass and suck my...

16:02James Harrison:See? Yeah. The internet people are... Hey, these internet gangsters or something, ain't they? These internet gangsters, bro, this is what I'm trying to tell you. A lot of these people are hurting they self. You know what I'm saying? Like, nobody... Hurt people hurt people. You don't want to, nobody in the good person, good hearted person is going to go out of their way and talk bad about it. Support for the show comes from Public, the investing platform for those who take it seriously. On Public, you can build a multi-asset portfolio of stocks, bonds, options, crypto, and now generated assets, which allow you to turn any idea into an investable index with AI.

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19:50James Harrison:That's somebody's family member. I had people in my family. My mom, she stutter. My little brother, he used to stutter. And they worked on it, and they got way better. So it comes on here and there. But natural things and normal speech impediments and stuff that people have, it isn't funny. You know what I'm saying? People are going through things. And for him to go up there and do that, expose himself, make himself vulnerable. And I feel him. So all I would do is pray for him. And just know this. The people that are on the internet clowning you are lame. They are hurting in their self. They are sitting in their basement just talking about a man out there just trying to expose himself.

20:30James Harrison:So for the good people, just let that noise that's louder. And that's one thing I say about the internet too. I don't want people to go there and feel like that place is your happy place. Don't go there for your joy. Don't go there for your happiness. Don't let people on the internet make you feel like you're worth it or you're not worth it. These people are lame. Your family, your friends, the people that you talk to, the people that actually love you, let them be the ones that pour into you. Let them ones be the one that really like there for you when you need a shoulder to cry on. Because the world out here, they don't care about you.

21:01James Harrison:I care about you. Debo, good-hearted man, we care about you. We care about the people. We care about your heart, your soul. We want everybody to be good. Things like laughing and joking. I'm a jokester. I laugh at a lot of stuff. I crack up. I have a good time. But when you, I just don't want for people on the internet and for him particular, don't, I wouldn't want you to go there to look for your peace, but just know you got really good people in this world that do care about you. And these lames and the Internet is a harsh place. And don't let them knock your shine.

21:33Joe Haden:Straight up. That's a good thing that you, well, it's a good thing that you said. That those that go to the Internet for their joy, that same joy you get, be careful. Because they can put you in that pain and tear you down. So I don't look to the internet for joy. I don't look to no outside force, to be honest with you, other than my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. So other than that, I mean, they crucified him. What makes me think they ain't going to talk about me? You know what? Sometimes I got to calm myself down and be like, you know what? Let me give myself a day or two and see if I want to respond to this comment.

22:17Joe Haden:And then most, 99.9 % of the time, it's like, no, I don't want to. Yeah. Because then I'll give them what they're looking for.

22:24James Harrison:The crazy part is, when I used to do that back in the day, when I first got on Twitter, I was really, really high-end. I was involved. I was like going out to lunch, just telling people, meet me places, just trying to get involved in the city. And after games, people would just be talking crazy to me. And I'd be like, yeah. They'd be like, where you at? We go whoop your ass, yo. No, no, no, no. Just like, you suck. And, man, why did we draft your bum ass? I'm like, who? Me? I was out there hooping. What are you talking about? And then I'd say something, and I'd be like, man, F you. And then, I mean, man, forget you.

22:57James Harrison:They'd be like, oh, my God, he responded. And then I'm like, okay. See what they want. That's what they wanted. They five minutes. So when they started doing that stuff, I'm like, man, listen. I'm not going to let these people control my mood. If I want to say something, we're going to get out there, whatever. but just know, don't let that be your piece, because it will not be your piece at all.

23:19Joe Haden:Yeah, see, you came out of Florida, you know, you was probably already comfortable with public speaking and all that, you know. I wasn't, I came out of Kent State, you know what I'm saying? I think I might've talked to, you know, like two times a year, and that's after we went, you know, to somebody's homecoming or start a game, and they done beat the brakes off our ass, you know what I'm saying? Like, I was hella scared of public speaking. I was hella scared of interviews. I ain't want to do none of that stuff, dude. That was a big reason why I went and I started acting, dude. That's why I started acting.

23:50Joe Haden:It was a fear I had. I wanted to conquer that fear. Matter of fact, hey, y 'all check it out. Y 'all want to check it out. It's Heels. It's only season one, though. It's on Netflix. H-E-E-L-S, Heels. Season one, I play a character called Apocalypse. Y 'all want to check your boy out. Y 'all need to go check your boy out. I'm good. I'm fine. Hey, y 'all tell 50 Cent too. I'm the next boss, villain, action hero. Whatever it is that you got coming up, I'm that next dude that he needs to talk to him. And Tasha Boy in there. Because I do it all, man. I got range, man. Super. I got range, man. Super range.

24:30Joe Haden:Period. You know what I'm saying? You ain't lying. That's what I do, man. It's nothing else that I do better. I had to take a public speaking class when I was at Florida.

24:43James Harrison:Oh, you did? They make all y 'all take it? Oh, yeah. They made us take that joint when we was at school. And then when I was coming out, my agent, they did a good job. They put us in the pre-draft interviews. So we would go through. I'll meet a lady, man. I'll be glad this draft time stuff is over.

25:02Joe Haden:I'm getting tired of hearing about this pre-draft. Draft this.

25:05James Harrison:But I'm telling you, that process was something that I went through. and all that, man. I'm tired of it, man. I know, I know, I know. It was a time, but it was a time that they - It's set up. It ain't even made for people with my extravagant level of speed

25:18Joe Haden:that I had then. I know, I know, I know. But that's when they put us through the process. I downgraded my speed and level and all that just so I could get into the league. I'm like, if I come in there with this much, they ain't gonna let me in. So I downgraded. I said I ran this. I said I jumped in. I had to downgrade, you know what I'm saying? They was like, oh no, we can't, We can't have Super Ninja in here. I was like, I downgrade. You know what I'm saying? That's what I did. I'm just saying, though, man. Jerry Jones said that he has let the fans down with the team championship drought. You just now realizing that old news.

25:55Joe Haden:You got anything to say about this? I don't. I don't. I mean, you know what it is.

25:59James Harrison:He's speaking. He's stating the obvious, man. He's letting this team know finally. I mean, yeah. We've been saying it. It's been 30 years. What you mean? That's a drought. You're so appreciate you.

26:08Joe Haden:Drought? Man, listen. They're... All the animals are dead. Everything.

26:13James Harrison:They're crazy dehydration.

26:17Joe Haden:Bruh. Like, 30-year drought. Like, they been having... Ain't nobody last through that drought but him. And that's only because he on the team. Everybody else been fired, cut, talked bad about, talked bad about and cut.

26:33James Harrison:He ain't tripping.

26:34Joe Haden:He ain't...

26:34James Harrison:Listen. He ain't tripping. Now he said he done let him down.

26:38Joe Haden:I think that was because he went on head and took care of that billion dollar deal instead of the team when he took off that little spurt right there. I think that's why he went, let me get my Cowboy fans back. We them boys. I done let you boys down, you know? Yep. I ain't had no Super Bowl men to drought in so long. We going to be back on the map as them boys, you hear?

27:02James Harrison:Mm-hmm. They going to tag up. They going to tag our man Pickens. They kept him there. Oh, never mind.

27:09Joe Haden:I thought you... I was thinking Kenny Pickers. I'm like, what? No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, Joel. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. No, yeah. They tagged him. But, you know, you know how Jerry work now. Deal don't get done. Jerry don't feel like he go pay you more than what he want to pay you. Now, you might be sitting there. Jerry got him for a steal. He already stole him. He already stole him. Jerry feel like he got over right now. Listen, no, no, no. Listen, Jerry's sitting there as the rabbit with the gun right now. I own you. You do right now for the

27:41James Harrison:28 piece.

27:44Joe Haden:All you got to do, I'm going to tell you what they can't diagnose. Back pain. Can't diagnose back pain. You can have a perfectly healthy looking back, but you got so much pain, you can't function. You already signed your ticket. Make sure, you know, let them know. You saying that for real? Make sure you let them know. why don't you like that Joe you want to listen

28:10James Harrison:at some point you got to advocate for yourself I understand but it's like the same thing as if this is a you rather like a I'd rather not go out there

28:22Joe Haden:at all take a chance of hurting myself then go out there and then put in a subpar performance because you mad anyway or sign this ticket you knowing that we need to get a deal done if we can't get from here to somewhere around here i can work with you you can work with me that's the only reason that deals don't get signed you so far apart you can't even get close yeah then yes that's what i'm gonna guarantee mine i'm gonna do everything i need to do and listen listen oh no no okay okay okay week one Week one, you're back. Pulling up. Week one, you're back. Pulling up to the game. Backspasm. Come get me out the car.

29:12Wow.

29:13James Harrison:Okay.

29:15Joe Haden:Okay. I'm just saying, y 'all. I'm just saying. If they try to keep you on the tag, you're back. If they try to keep you on the tag, don't want to go ahead and do something with you, let you go, get you somewhere else that you can get a long-term deal with somebody that's willing to pay you. back backyotomy back I don't know what you want me to do mm-hmm I mean look look I feel you listen man that boy Kyler Murray over there he got the Cardinals in a hucklebuck man they likely to release him they say uh so it's reported that I think he has 36.8 million and guarantee money still on his contract for 2026, okay?

30:04Joe Haden:And the kicker is, if he's on the roster as of March 15th of this year, it kicks in another 19.5 for 2027, bro. See, guaranteed. Now, you add that with questions of his work ethic, leadership, and then, you know, he was struggling a little bit on the field, along with him getting a new head coach, and the old GM hasn't even talked to him all offseason? I don't know if they think they're going to get a trade for him because the news is already out there. Who going to take that ticket? What are you looking at? 40, 56 almost? 56, 56 with two. 56 and some change? 56 and some change. On that? On that, yeah.

30:59Joe Haden:Potential work ethic and leadership issues, along with play has been subpar. He got them boys in huckleball. He got them blocked up. Don't try going nowhere. What you going to do? You going to let me go or you going to pay me? Got them in the headlock for real. Headlock. Where you at with it, Joe? What you going to do?

31:21James Harrison:If I'm the Cardinals. What you doing? If I'm the Cardinals, I mean, I can't bite the$36 million bullet. That's already bit. No, I'm saying. So he would be on my team. Even if you let him go today, you got to give him 36-8. Even if I let him go today, I got to give him 36-8.

31:43Joe Haden:The kicker is, if you don't let him go by March 15th, you got to give him another 19.5 and 27.

31:55God dang.

31:58James Harrison:Because, I mean,$36 million, in my opinion, it's got to be completely over. Because it's 36 for nothing, or it's going to be 19 for nothing. Because I would have him start this year, every game, and you better do everything in your power. Hopefully, do the best that you can. Like, because if else-wise, then I'm doing another night. Then I can get rid of him next year for 19 and it feel like a half of what it just was. 36. Got a new coach now.

32:30Joe Haden:Got a new coach.

32:31James Harrison:Oh, new coach. Oh, new coach. He's done. New coach don't care about that. You tell him the new coach you got to keep this because I got money on the line. New coach don't care. New coach don't care. I'm the owner. I'm going to tell you. New coach isn't risking it. Hey, listen. I hired you.

32:42Joe Haden:New coach isn't risking it. I hired you letting you know that you going to keep him. I got to pay him. A damn story ain't about to let him go.

32:48James Harrison:Look, if it's on the new coach, if I were the new coach, W for the agent for show. W is all over the place for Colin Murray's agent. But if I were the coach, I'm trying to figure out the new head. If I'm dying on that sword, is Colin Murray going to be the reason? Or does the staff let me, does the owner give me another year? He's getting rid of him. Now I get to get a new quarterback. We're still 36 at least down in the cap. That's a hole in our roster. So, we're not going to be able to get as much as we can. So, now, would you let me live and see that it's not going to be what it is? Because y 'all gave the man the bag, and he wasn't really trying to study as much, and now he's gone.

33:31Joe Haden:They knew that before they gave him the bag, though. That was the crazy part.

33:34James Harrison:Yeah, it was in the bag until he had to study.

33:36Joe Haden:They said they took it out.

33:39James Harrison:That's it. Yep. People found out it was in there. Embarrassed my dog. Yep. But, look, that's on them. I'm not feeling bad bad call Cardinals y 'all gotta figure it out I'm not trying to figure all I got fires I gotta deal with over in Cleveland and we trying to figure out what we gotta do over here in Pittsburgh Arizona I don't know I don't know

34:01Joe Haden:well hey we was about to go to something but Demo David Montgomery of the Detroit Lions it was a thing that said he wanted out and Demo put up there damn Demo told you this well that's what that's what you call David Montgomery they call him so So, but what we did just find out is breaking news. So the Alliance are... Support for the show comes from Public,

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37:37Joe Haden:Actually trading Montgomery to the Texans for a fourth round pick and a seventh round pick in an O-lineman. They are for sure. Good Lord! They gave him something too. Hold up, hold up now.

37:53James Harrison:What you know?

37:54Joe Haden:What you know? In the O-lineman, what is it? Shrugs.

38:00Joe Haden:He got traded. He got traded. For sure. He going to Houston, though. I know he ain't tripping. You know, I trained with him out there in Arizona. And they get, hey, man, they getting the workhorse too, bro. Dang.

38:15James Harrison:Did that just happen?

38:17Joe Haden:Yep. That just happened, bro.

38:19James Harrison:Look at you. Go ahead, D-Bo.

38:21Joe Haden:That boy loved to grind, man. I wasn't hip. He loves to grind too, man. Dude squat. I mean, he deadlift them there 700. Kyle. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's going to be fire. Oh, yeah. Okay. Damn, over there in Houston, they need some offense too, man.

38:37James Harrison:Did they give him a deal or did they just say what they traded him for?

38:40Joe Haden:I believe he just got a deal last year. I think he got two years left of a total of maybe$13 million. Okay. Left on the deal, something like that, I want to say. Man, that's going to be fire.

38:52James Harrison:Because they had him and what's my man's name that got hurt, though? Said he shot something with shot in the foot or something. Who got hurt? Running back for the Texans. He used to play for the Bengals. Got shot in the foot. When? Joe Mixon. Joe Mixon got shot in the foot. When? See, that joint kind of went off the radar. He was on the Texans this year. Are you serious? Earlier in the year, yeah. How'd I miss that? It's crazy, bro. Joe Mixon got shot in the foot? He just went missing. Nobody knew nothing about it.

39:25Joe Haden:Nobody tell me something.

39:27James Harrison:See, Devo, there you go. but yeah they got what's the name now they got Montgomery so yeah he ain't getting that back I promise you hey that's what I'm saying that's what I was looking like I was waiting on I was like yeah hopefully he a real life

39:43Joe Haden:three down back too he gets busy bruh he'll run you over he'll run them boys over and run past them strong and fast boy strong and fast mmhmm power

39:59James Harrison:Personified So now it's just gonna be Gibbs over there Just Gibbs Just Gibbs, he gonna get off I don't know

40:08Joe Haden:I don't know, we gonna see I don't know man I don't know, you take away The power aspect, I mean I don't know how many people Gibbs Putting fear in or putting that helmet Through their chest I'm more worried about him running around the corner I'm gonna go ahead and make sure y 'all keep the corners tight and make him go in between. And we're going to go ahead and line him up as soon as he get in that hole and just take his shot.

40:38Joe Haden:If I'm Gibbs, I might be like, yo, y 'all know it was a one-two. It was a one-two punch. Y 'all done took away the... Now he got... Can he go in there and just take all the hits? They were switching them in and out. I think that was a big thing why they ended up trading him They weren't even really – when your boy took over the calling, he wasn't really using him like they was using him before. The head coach, when he took over the calling of the offense, Dan Campbell, when he took over the calling of the offense, he wasn't really using him like he was before. And they was having success. I don't know why they changed so much of that, but it's crazy.

41:18Joe Haden:Then they started losing and you fired the OC, but you the one calling the offense. Ain't that what you just said? You should have fired yourself. No way he wasn't going to fire himself. I know that, but... That guy was funny. I'm just saying, bro, man. Come on, bro. At some point... Goodness. We got some supers, Debo. We ain't got no supers yet, but... You know when time it is. Time for Play and Fade. Presented by Prospect.

41:58Joe Haden:All right, Joe. The staff, they cooked up a lineup for us tonight for the NBA game.

42:03James Harrison:Okay.

42:04Joe Haden:And we go either play or choose to fade this pick right here. All right. You say his name for Houston, but they have him for more than 14.5. Kevin Durant they have for more than one and a half three pointers made and also more than 25.5 points with Joker having more than 24.5 points against Utah and also more than 13.5 Ah, rebounds. Where are you going? Why? What you going to do, Joe? I'm going to go with play because Kevin Durant from the crib,

43:07James Harrison:obviously he's going to make two tray balls at least. 25 and a half. Easy day for the Grim Reaper, KD. Joker walking 25 and 15. So that's normally, that's just on an average day. And Saloon, I like to go over 15.

43:29Joe Haden:I like all that up there just because of who they playing with Washington. They not that good. So I'm good with that, especially. I think they give up. what is it, almost, I think they're the top or bottom three or five points allowed or something like that. So I'm good with that. Yeah. Now, down here, I don't know about the... You don't know about the Joga? I don't know about the rebounds. That's the only thing. Bro, he's a walking 25-15. I understand what you're saying. What is Utah, though? Like, yeah, I guess. Utah, they average at best on the board, so. I think they in the bottom five. Joe, I'm going to play it with you, Joe.

44:28Joe Haden:That's what I'm talking about. I'm going to play it with you. That's what I'm talking about. Download the app today and use the code DEBOJO to get$50 in lineups after you play your first$5 lineup. That code is Deebo Joe. Now we got some prize picks, baby. I mean, we got some super chats. Now we got some super chats, man. Let's see what we got here. She said, we got covenant like$50. She said, first of all, y 'all are on fire today. Yes, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. She said, Deebo, you're looking real nice. and that and that burry winkle yeah you said the word damn I can't yeah anyway Carson Beck look really good at the combine I would rather have him than Ty Simpson if we got a quarterback if we got a quarterback what sunglasses do you wear Debo missing the cigar only had a cigar in there only poison my body when we have a good game.

45:43Joe Haden:What sunglasses do I wear? I don't even know. Let me see.

45:52James Harrison:See, maybe say on the side or the inside. Oh, they Louis Vuitton.

45:58Joe Haden:Joe got them for me.

46:01James Harrison:Joe got me some Louis.

46:02Joe Haden:I forgot about that. Yeah.

46:06James Harrison:You know that man rocking them Louis V's.

46:08Joe Haden:No, I'm just saying, man. Joe got them for me. I got my other glass CVS. Joe got them for me, man. What you got on, Joe? D-Ray, a little Tom Ford. Wow. A little Tom Ford, nothing crazy. I can't even afford the cologne. Yes, you can. Got the glasses?

46:24James Harrison:Yes, you can. You're a lie.

46:25Joe Haden:Lord, Lord, Jiminy. You're a lie. Covenant Life back with$5. She said, when you got your first NFL check, what did you purchase first? how much waste spending did you do? Me, personally, Han, no, this is a question for you. Me, personally, my first check I ever got, I was on practice squad. I made $60 ,000 my whole year. That was before taxes. So, I did no wasteful spending.

46:59Joe? Han, hell!

47:04James Harrison:Ah! Oh, hold up, hold up, hold up. My signing bonus, I take it back.

47:08Joe Haden:My signing bonus, I thought I was rich, Joe. Yes, there we go. I had three grand. Yeah. I went and bought an old Dixxer 750. Used. I did waste that. I take it back.

47:25James Harrison:See, you did. See, there we go. Three grand. Three grand, Joe. Three grand. See, I didn't waste my first check. What was your signing bonus, Joe? My signing bonus? 12. 12 what? 12 million dollars. Oh, Lord. So, look, whole time, I got my parents a house. First things first. No, she said wasteful spending. Oh, wasteful spending. All right. Like the jewelry. Jewelry, okay, yes. Like the cars. But my jewelry isn't a waste. Two cars. Two cars, the same car, different color. No, see, that was when I was out there. But now, then my rookie year, I got me a little Range Rover and a Bentley GT. Bentley cool little GT.

48:12James Harrison:To be more careful.

48:13Joe Haden:Man said, I can't figure out what color I want. Chill out, Debo. Give me both of them. No, I did not. A different color. I don't know if I want the black or the white. You know what? Give me the black and the white. Ah! I tell him that in the shirt, and then I'll be sitting there sweating, and hoping the credit card don't go to the clock.

48:33James Harrison:No more, man. Go boy, Debo. Chill out.

48:35Joe Haden:Pound bad out in these shit, man. We ain't go. I ain't go.

48:38James Harrison:I ain't go same car, different color. I ain't go same car,

48:41Joe Haden:different color. Okay. Mike Mike, $100, $5, said, what up, Debo and Joe? Debo, if you could choose, what would you, what would you want your next acting role to be? I already know. I already know. It gotta be action or it could be gangster. It don't really matter. I got to have something in there where I get to let the side out that I've been stifling for the last couple years, just letting him out as a character. Then it's not me. It's just a job. You know? My boy 50 should be calling me. Let me see. Hold up. Anytime. Yo. Yeah. Hell yeah, I'm down for it. Nah, Joe ain't that good.

49:34James Harrison:Oh, hell nah.

49:36Joe Haden:I'm definitely good. Maybe if you got a character that's real indecisive? Okay. We got to roll for you. Hey, I'm going to hit you. Hey, Fit, Fit, let me hit you back. Let me hit you back. I'm on the show right now. I got a couple minutes left. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

49:52James Harrison:All right, yep, yep, yep. Anyway. Yep, it's just right enough time for you to, now that's enough disrespect. I'm just saying, good Lord, man.

50:03Joe Haden:Mr. Wallace, Mr. Wallace, 9-3,$5. Said, shout out to Lil' Cuzz, J. Redman of the Vikings, number 61. He showed out this year. Who is that? Is that his cousin? Must be his cousin.

50:21James Harrison:Shout out to my Lil' Cuzz.

50:22Joe Haden:I appreciate that$5. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He showed out. I'm going to go check him out. I'm going to go check him out. We find out he ain't showed out. And we check out when he ain't showed out.

50:32James Harrison:Hopefully he showed out.

50:34Joe Haden:He might get a refund. Because you done set up here and told a lie. Nah. I ain't going to lie to you. I ain't going to refund you nothing. They ain't going to lie. They ain't going to jump on there and lie.

50:48And we got O-Mouth Mad.

50:52Joe Haden:O-U Mads. O-U Mads. Two dollars. It says, does Will have a true shot this year to be quarterback? Yes. He honestly don't know. I don't personally know because I don't know what he can or can't do. If I'm going off of what I've seen in college, I don't see why he doesn't have a shot. I don't see why he hasn't got a shot. And yes, he can be in competition for it and win it.

51:24James Harrison:I think the same thing. I think hopefully they give him a shot. It just depends on now. If A-Rod comes back, then he don't have a shot. That's the big thing, dude.

51:35Joe Haden:If he coming back, he don't get a shot. A-Rod is not coming back and saying, I'm going to play backup. No, bro. That's what I'm saying.

51:41James Harrison:That's what I'm saying.

51:44Joe Haden:Unless you say, A-Rod, come back, play backup, we give you 40. Here, here, here. We told them. They already know what I'm on. Sink or swim. No question. That's where we at. that's all the super chats we got for today look here man we want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe please like subscribe and download where you get your podcast

52:09James Harrison:Joe yes sir make sure you like subscribe and download wherever you get your podcast we will see you tomorrow same time same place and we out

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