Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Dick LeBeau on coaching James Harrison, Rod Woodson & Ike Taylor

27:31And those are the guys that usually got the big mention, which we were doing enough good things. There was plenty to go around. But Ike, every week, he'd come in because if you're going to pressure, you've got to have decent corners. And corners got to, if they can't cover, they damn sure got to be able to tackle because they can't get you gashed. For sure. They got to let you come to the table for the next meal. Yes. And Ike would come in every Wednesday. Who I got this week, Coach? Who I got this week? And never complained. And he was on the island with their best guy every week. And he'd hit you.

28:22He'd run and tackle, force the run. And he's. I love that. He's one of my favorite guys for my coaching because I never played in college. He was a wide receiver and a kick returner. And I think he might have played corner one year or something. You couldn't tell anything off the film or nothing like that. And we had a lot of sessions on which foot you put first and second. But he was strong and he could run. And I said, look, here's what we're going to do. We're going to get up in their face and make them outrun us and outstrength us. And guess what? There wasn't too many could do that. And he let us do a lot of stuff that you and you could trust yourself that their best receiver wasn't going to tear you up that day.

29:23but probably as far as an athlete and Rod Woodson probably the best one I ever had I'll tell you something else along that question Carnell Lake Coach Lake Carnell Lake he was a great safety and I told him I said Carnell we're going to go to the Pro Bowl and in two years Carnell went to the Pro Bowl well he was at for a couple of years and then Rod got hurt and we were short in the corner position we were getting hurt there and I asked Carnell if he would go play corner till we got our corners healthy and of course he said yes if you think it'll help the team I said I don't know I'm asking you to change of position that you've become very very good at but i said well he came down 7 30 in the morning on tuesday and we went out on the field and started working on the corner and he went to the pro bowl that year as a corner and i don't know i have never seen a guy go from safety to corner and go to pro bowl as a safety and pro bowl as a corner i've seen him go from corner to safety

30:46James Harrison:Yes, that's the middle. But I haven't seen anybody since him or before him go from safety to corner. And he did it. Wow. Shout out to Coach Lake because he was my DB coach when I ended up coming to the Steelers. So I love Coach Lake. Taught me real well. He's as fine a person as you'll ever meet. Oh, beautiful human. Love Coach. Yeah, he's coaching his kid now. Yeah. That's great. Hey, Coach, what do you think the recent hire of Mike McCarthy? You like that? We're all in now. At first, you know, I crashed out a little bit. You did. Yeah. Well, I was surprised that Mike didn't come back because the team rallied there at the end of the year, really, and won some really, really key games.

31:41And I thought, well, we're going to get another year to get this thing going the way we know it can be. And I don't know that this coach, I know he coached Green Bay when they beat us in our last Super Bowl. But I've always had a lot of respect for him. But what I liked about the hire, he's a Pittsburgh guy.

32:09James Harrison:Yes. He was born and raised there. I know in his heart, his lifetime ambition has been to coach or play for a team where you grow up, pretend you grow up in. So I know this. He's going to give everything he's got to help make this football team. I mean, they're close. They've been close.

32:38and we just got to win a couple of the key games. And I like it. But, I mean, you know, the NFL is so evenly competitively balanced that you can be close and never get there. I mean, there's still franchises that have never even got to play in them.

33:03James Harrison:They never played in the Super Bowl. like the Cleveland Browns. We're world championships. We won it with this. We said Super Bowls, like the Cleveland Browns and the Lions, you know? Wow. He used to sometimes, sometimes it's the blood. I just shoot every now, man. Sometimes he gets really disrespectful sometimes for no reason. Well, I'll tell you what. The Cleveland Browns, when I was a player, they played in like eight straight championship games because when the war ended. Thank you. When the war ended, they started the AFC too, and it was a rival league, and they won that every time. Paul Brown was their coach.

33:44And then when they went into the NFL, they put the league, merged the leagues together, and they won the championship in the NFL for about four or five straight years or alternated back and forth.

33:57James Harrison:Look at Debo. He doesn't like it. I was cheating. Nope. They had the taxi squad You're an Akron man James you can't be down on Cleveland He was keeping players that he wasn't supposed to be able to keep He acts like he's not even from there He disrespects Cleveland I'm not from Cleveland I'm from Akron I know Akron but that's a good Buckeye man Coach when they fought To keep those simpleton colors When they left and went To Baltimore I was done I gave up and I went to the next best thing and that was the Pittsburgh Steelers and I've been a Steelers fan ever since you know what I'm saying and that's it I've been a Steelers fan ever since I don't know nothing else to do but black and yellow black and yellow black and yellow that's it coach that's all I know well let's put it this way young man I went to six Super Bowls and uh two of them was with Cincinnati and four with Pittsburgh, and I won two, and they were both with Pittsburgh.

34:58So what kind of fan do you think I am, James? Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

35:03James Harrison:I'm a golden black man. Come on, okay. Hey, Joe, you get out of here with that duking around. With coaches on the show, with Coach Dick LeBeau himself, we're talking all Steelers, straight Steelers. Well, you know, do you know something? And I've always believed this, and I know you guys do. When you get in a huddle with a group of guys for over a series of number of years and go through the ups and downs of a football season, it's more than a job. It's more than an exhibition, a playing, a sports contest. It's a life. and you become part of each other. And whatever colors you got on, they're your colors.

35:59You have paid the price to put them on. You know what the other guys in that huddle have gone through to be in there with you. And there's a bond. I would say this to exemplify what I'm saying. I played 14 years for Detroit. I missed one football game in the 14 years that I played for them. And I retired and I got a job with the Philadelphia Eagles. And the second game of the year, the Philadelphia Eagles were playing the Detroit Lions. And I was coaching the special teams. And I'm on the sideline with a green and white uniform, a coaching uniform of the Philadelphia Eagles. and I'm lining up for a kickoff, you know, the guys, two or three of them are one foot away from you can shake hands.

36:52They're all my people. They're all my guys that I just spent 10 years with, man. I'm looking down at myself and I say, what the hell am I doing in this trash, you know? I've got to be in Honolulu blue and silver. But it's just, it's what it is because people don't understand the physical exertion that goes through a 12-month session of one year of professional football. And what you're talking about here is, and jabbing, and it'll never end, the poke back and forth. But you are what you are, brother, because that's part of your life that you paid dearly for. And you earned the right to jab a little bit, but also the right to defend.

37:39James Harrison:Yes. That's the one thing you were just saying, and this is what I feel in this whole conversation and you being on this episode. It's a brotherhood. It's a bond. It's family. It's when you hang out with somebody, and like you said, you're trying to each year is training camp, start OTAs, all that. That season is a grueling season that you go through with your players, with your guys. And when you have dudes that want to be the best at something that are grinding and fighting and having you meeting them every single day, Like it becomes a love. Like you know them, you feel them. And then when you have a legit, like start doing a dynasty where these guys, we're together the next year and we're together this year.

38:17James Harrison:We've been together for five years together, grinding. And now we know each other. The tendencies when you can start, how Ryan Clark and Troy could just start not saying nothing, but just moving their heads. And like education. That's it. And when you've got a teammate and he goes down and you know he's hurting and he gets up and he finishes that game, you know what he's going through. He knows what you've gone through. It's different than sitting down beside each other in a desk and figuring out a problem. Right. Yeah. It's different. Blood, sweat, and tears. Legit. It's different. Yeah. Yeah.

38:53James Harrison:Hey, Coach, we're going to get to these super chats in a minute. We got some people that done asked you some questions. But me and Joe gots to get together. We got to figure out a time that we can get down there, get to you where we can get a good week, if not two, that you're going to be around that we can get to you because we got to pull all this defense up out of here. We got to get it up out your head, coach. We got to get it to the paper. Listen, we're trying to go ahead and put it down. Joe trying to put it to his kids. He's trying to teach them some real defense. Yes. Yeah, now if you guys can get in a time machine where I can get you rushing and him covering, we'll come up with all kind of good defenses, man.

39:36James Harrison:You ain't lying. Well, I need to get some of that knowledge, though, because, Debo, we're talking about getting into coaching a little bit, though, Coach. Yes, definitely. We're saying if we're going to do it, we need to start. I need to be running the true fire zone. Hey, let me tell you both. Coach him the way you played. You were both great players. Coach them the way you played, the confidence that you played with. You knew what you were doing. You knew what you had to get done. And when you messed up, you didn't really need a coach to tell you too much about what you did wrong. You know what you did wrong.

40:09Coach them the way you played because the way you guys played was good. Now, I just want to tell you one thing, Joe, because of poking back and forth and him getting on you with the brands and all that. And everything good every time it can't get to be a little frisky every now and then. Make sure you're outside if it gets to be too frisky so you can use your speed, man, and get the hell out of there.

40:36I used to get in argument with one of them linebackers every now and then. I found the outdoors was the best place to be.

40:42James Harrison:They can't catch you. I'm faster than you, though. That's for sure. That's what it is. You always got plan B in there. A, B, C, D. B is all I ever needed. And that was, what do they say? Fight or flee? Fight or flight. Yeah, fight or flight. Yeah, that's right. Oh. We got Covenant Light. She back. Question. I guess this might have been from, what's her name? Question for Coach on Monday. You made the fire zone. You made the zone blitz famous. how many quarterbacks do you still think wake up at night trying to figure out where the pressure came from well I'll tell you what I can tell you a quick story on that that's always been one of my favorite uh stories uh I I started messing around with it you have to be the coordinator when you're going to change the defense you know because if you're just a position guy all you can do a suggest but once you're a coordinator you can go in and it might cost you your job but at least wise you can do it and if you think it's a pretty good idea you can do it so i uh i thought well it might be pretty good uh to not blitz a big guy who's lining up with his hand his hand on the ground and the blitz one of them little guys out there that's running around that's usually be backpedaling 30 yards down the field.

42:12I said, that might be pretty good to fool with them. And then I started thinking about different ways to cover him behind. The thing that I wanted to get away from was the full pressure blitz where everybody was zero coverage, one-on-one everywhere. And even though some of the biggest plays of the defense come from that max blitz, some of the offense's biggest plays against the defense come from the same thing because if they beat one man there's nobody with eyes that can go over there and save the big play and uh that was i was looking for a safer way to get pressure on the quarterback and that's what i was looking for so uh i would like to say that it would went like this but i went off the diving board into a pool that didn't have any water in it many times you you were trying to patch up uh where a guy left a little bit and uh i eventually worked into some things that worked a little bit but we were playing a pre-season game and it was in cincinnati i was coaching in cincinnati and uh their great uh quarterback one of the best quarterbacks uh ever played uh his name's escaping me right now this happens to be every now and then been hitting the head too many times marino okay so uh quarterbacks you know how they do after the game they always they're they're cut above everybody else so they always got to go over and shake hands and all this stuff after the game boomer assigns our coach or our quarterback and they're over there chatting after the game and everything and so we came in uh they were i think they were the uh defending afc champs at that time and uh they beat us with a last second drive down the field they beat us like 17 to 14 it was tied up and uh boomer said hey he said one thing uh marino said He said, you'd be interested to know.

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49:30He said, I asked him, what was he looking at with some of the blitzes that he was receiving? Because Boomer had got to go against it in practice every day. And Reno said, well, they told me to look at this and look at that in the practice, on practice field. But when we got in the game, he said, I couldn't see nothing. And he said, so I just started focusing on my guy and throwing him the ball. And, of course, he had a great duper. And them guys, they beat us. But it was a close game. We played well on defense. But when I heard that from one of the best quarterbacks, throwing quarterbacks in the league, he said, I quit looking at anything else.

50:16That's what I was trying to do. I want to get that quarterback out of gathering all that information pre-snap where they know what we're doing, make him execute the way we got executed. Everything comes to our key after the ball snapped. I just wanted to make it even for my guys where we make him read something after that ball snapped or where he wants to go with the ball. So when I heard him say he quit reading anything, I said, well, this is going to work eventually. And that's how I stayed with it.

50:54James Harrison:Liam, 9087, he said, Coach LeBeau, what offensive formation or plays were most difficult for you to stop in the red zone? We had one of the best red zone defenses continually. And it was from my experience and your guys' ability. The thing in the red zone, you have to utilize the fact that the field can no longer be stretched. and your players don't have to worry about depth as much as they got to defend the optional stuff happening in front of them. And what I would do was preparation for my athletes. And we continually ran every route, if not in full practice speed, walkthrough. I was a walkthrough nut.

51:48but one guy had to learn if he goes where where's the next place your eyes going where's the next threat and the other thing is uh you give a quarterback time he's looking working on just little area pops pop pop the ball ain't gonna be in the air that long he's going to get it in there on you so you've got to disrupt that quarterback a little bit down in there too and there's where disguise is probably even more pertinent than out on the field where you got to make him read and and hesitate a little bit and then your guys can get to him and you make a play down there you you've saved your team four points it turns seven points into three and you you win a lot of games with two or three points but uh i didn't feel the red zone so much i thought it was hell no he didn't

52:41James Harrison:Liam, wasn't the damn thing difficult? You heard what he said. I thought it was an advantage for the defense, really, because they weren't going to beat us deep down there. There was no deep. Yes, sir. Covenant life back again, Joe,$10. Yes, sir. He said, check out the look on Deebo's face. This man looks like he's ready to drill someone. His coach is here, and James is here for it. I'm scared. She said, you can tell Coach LeBeau means the world to him. Yes, he does. Yes, he does. That is 100 % true. Correct. We got, what is it, DMO zone? DMO zone,$10. Question for Coach LeBeau. Which player that you coach reminded you the most of yourself?

53:31James Harrison:Oh, they were all better than me. Coach LeBeau, you had 62 picks. Hey, man, that's what I was saying, man. I'm like, how were they better than you? Stop. Let me tell you this story. This is a great story. I'm trying to think of who I was even with. It's not important to the story. But I would gladly walk around the guys during stretch, and I'd say, you know, Rod, how many interceptions you got? How many interceptions you got? Troy, how many you got? And then I'd total them up, you know, and they may total up 50 between them. I said, well, that's pretty good. You only got 12 more to go to get me.

54:15Yeah. So you do. Okay. I wasn't bashful about it. I called it establishing credibility for your teaching lessons.

54:28James Harrison:Hey, how many games you played straight? That's another one he'd hit them with. 171 for you, Coach. 171. 171 straight games and then 62 picks. That's what I'm saying. You talk about getting credibility from the defensive players in your room. I was trying to get established that a little bit. But when I'm doing this one day and a first-year player, he's down there stretching a little bit and I'm saying about this. And I said, yeah, 72, buddy. 62. and he said, Coach, Coach. He said, and he can give me a come on over like he wanted to whisper something. He said, what they do, just throw at you all the time, man.

55:17I said, no, they stayed away from me, man. I would have got 172 if they just thrown at me. But he said, what they do, throw at you all the time.

55:28James Harrison:Let's go, man. Ain't no way, Coach. Ain't no way. Well, let me tell you something, though, about that. It's true. You know who the corner's on the other side for me in my career? Night Train Lane first. He's got more interceptions than anybody that ever played. Is Night Train 80? What is he? He's 81, I think. 81. Yeah. No, you know something. Krause might be 81, and Train might be 78 or something. Okay, yes, yes. They're both up there right at the top. But when I was playing with Train, he was number one. And the other year, we drafted this guy named Lim Barney, and he played the other corner for me.

56:05So there wasn't no picking on either one of us.

56:10James Harrison:They had to go pretty honest against it. Wherever they threw the ball, it was going to get picked off. It got their share. Coming to life, back again,$10. She said, do y 'all see the look in James' eyes right now, body ready or not? James looks like he's ready to suit up. No, I'm not. Watch out, Butter. Butter, yeah, I suit up against Butter, though. We have Hawk, and he is 92, and Coach LeBeau stirring the pot. Let's go. Yeah, we got that. We got over here Mr. Stiller fan,$43,$5. Coach LeBeau, can you keep it real? Do you think the current team could run your defense? Do we have the players to run the defense efficiently?

56:59Well, nobody's going to have as good a defense as we had with you guys. It's in my book. No question. Pick up the book and look at the stats collectively and individually. But I think, let's put it this way. If I go to a high school game now, I still do every now and then, they're running zone blitzes. Every college game you put on on TV, they're running zone blitzes. Everybody run a zone blitz. They're not running yours. The difference is they don't know what the hell they're doing in behind. Thank you.

57:40James Harrison:Thank you. You cannot change things behind because you don't like the way one things go. open up too many other openings in other spots like instead of it having one weakness now you got 10 like they don't understand that concept like coach Lebow is not going to call a defense against a certain personnel because he knows this is not going to work against this personnel why the hell would I call it what we have ended up doing is changing what people do against whatever the personnel is and we're getting gassed and gassed and right now I'm hoping that can change But go ahead, coach. Well, I'm not critiquing any individuals when I say that.

58:20It just, as I look, as I look at the game, I see a lot of, well, one of my famous statements is there is nothing so ugly as a fire zone gone wrong, pal. People in some wide open spaces. Yes.

58:38James Harrison:Yes. Yes, definitely. Definitely. We got covenant life back again, Joe. She said, with the modern NFL shifting so heavily towards RPO, run pass options, and mobile quarterbacks, how would you, man, this is nothing. How would you adapt the 3-4 fire zone to remain effective today between Joe? By the way, Joe, we missed you Friday. That's simple. Coach used to do that all the time. We used to go, Vic, who else was it?

59:15James Harrison:I think you muted, Coach. Is he muted? Vic was – No. He was a handful. Run pass options, stuff like that. RG3 was another one that we – Oh, yeah, for sure. We went and junkie-conned him. For sure. Stopped him. Like, go ahead, Coach. Tell him that ain't nothing. That's something we used to do on the regular. Well – That was back when you was allowed to smash him, too. Yes. Coach LeBold was like, hey, outside back. You can still smash him. Quarterback come, that's you. We're not looking for nothing else. Me and Willie ain't looking for nothing else. I don't care what he does. If he does that RPO, that run pass option to you, he said, smack, run through.

59:57If they're running the run fake with it, you can hit him today. You can hit him. That's what I would make the opposite team's owner make his coach quit doing it because he's going to get his quarterback splattered. But that's what the offseason's for. You've got to look at everything that you've done that previous year, and people are going to study you pretty good, and the things that hurt them, they're going to try to get something that will hurt it. I mean, it's a series. The offense actually has the advantage because they're the only one that knows where the ball's going and who's supposed to be getting it and things like that.

1:00:44So the defense has always got to be a stimulus response and get their keys and find a ball and get it on the ground. But there are ways, I think, of balancing that playing platform up a little bit. And whatever the rules are of the game, I didn't spend any of my time complaining about what the rule was. about how you do this and who that. I looked for one thing only. What is the best way that our defense can get an edge over that offense within the limit of the rules of how they're going to call it, the officials are going to call it? And I tried to focus on that, and that's what I taught around.

1:01:29This is what we're going to do because this is going to be illegal, and we're not going to sit there and beat ourselves every week by getting a bunch of 15-yard penalties, instead of complaining about it, we're going to take it to our advantage and find a way to percentage-wise. It's like playing poker. If you go into the hand with the best hand in your hand and you're both going to draw cards, you're going to come out with the best hands more times than not. Are you going to win every time? No, because the law of averages is going to balance out one way or the other. But if you can put the law of averages in your defense's favor, you're going to win more than you're going to lose.

1:02:13And that's the way I coached. And that's the way I would coach today with all these crazy rules they got me. I would try to look for what's the best way that we can do it to get an advantage over the guy we're playing against.

1:02:28James Harrison:Yes, yes. I love what you were talking about, too, Debo, with the walkthroughs, though. Coach, walkthroughs, eye in the sky don't lie. You know what I'm saying? Like all of those things, the simple stuff, because you can be you're coaching to do the right thing all the time and all those walkthroughs, all those little things. So when we have these communications, when people are motioning, you can't not know what to do. You know what I'm saying? So when you're giving these dudes all those walkthroughs, all of those time to be able to get your plays in. Let me tell you something else that that's good for, Joe.

1:02:58I would put in a lot of new stuff each week so that the opponent, whatever he saw us run the week before, he probably wasn't going to see any of that. It's going to attack the same area, but it wouldn't be the same way.

1:03:14James Harrison:Coach will put you in the same position, man. Have everybody looking the same, and it'll be five defenses off of that. Yes. And everything will look the same. people doing total opposites in two, three of them. I want them to waste their time and their practice periods when they were working for what they've seen. And I had every defense we'd run for the whole season on the board or up around me, how many times I'd run it and what games I ran it in. And if it was run successfully in the last four or five games, they probably weren't going to see it again, But they see the shape again with it. Yep.

1:03:57James Harrison:Smoking mirrors. Don't move. Nobody move. Everybody stand. Don't show nothing. You got to make the playing field even, man. Yes. Give your athletes a chance. Yes. Coach, man, we up out of time right now, man. We want to thank you for coming on, man. Really appreciate having you. Guys, make sure you guys go and get the book Legendary, okay? it's going to tell you everything you need to know about the architect of the best NFL defense and still in no in history period yes 2008 Pittsburgh still a defense Joe I'm just it was my pleasure coach Lebeau I'm just so happy to be on to be able to talk to you Debo always spoke so highly of you and now just being able to have this conversation with you I could see exactly why I appreciate your time, man.

1:04:46James Harrison:Thank you so much, boss. You're a legend. It's my honor to be in the middle of you two guys, man. It was great. Thank you, Coach. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Guys, please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your show. We will be back here tomorrow. And guess what? We may be having somebody else on Friday. We'll see. Coach, thank you again. Miss you. Love you. I need to come see you. I got to get the rest. I got to get all that defense up out your head, man. And love you, man. Love you too, James. Nice to meet you, Joe. Thank you, Coach. Appreciate you.

1:05:33James Harrison:Peace to the planet. Charlamagne Tha God here. And listen, we are back. The Black Effect Podcast Festival is back in Atlanta on April 25th at Pullman Yard. Yeah. And the full lineup is nuts. We got the Grits and Eggs podcast, Deontay Kyle and Big Ice Cup Cat. We got Club 520 with Jeff Teague and the gang. Don't call me white, girl. Mona will be there. Keep it positive, sweetie, with Crystal Renee. We got Reality with the King with Carlos King. And yes, Drink Champ will be in the building. Plus, you know, we're going to have a lot of guests. So you need to join us. And we got the Black Effect Marketplace, the picture podcast, and everything you expect from the Black Effect Podcast Festival.

1:06:11James Harrison:Tickets are on sale right now. Go get yours at blackeffect.com slash podcast festival. Don't play yourself, okay? Pull up.

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