Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Is Aaron Rodgers Too Old? + Todd Monken's Plan For Deshaun Watson

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2:33Learn more at Geico.com. Okay, boom. Clear cut. He plays the first game. It's not a great game. Like he didn't, he threw the pick, you know what I'm saying? He got a strip sack so that people have reason to ask questions about, okay, how much longer is it going to be out there? After the last game, you can say now, oh, yeah, it's funny how y 'all want to ask. Because you were saying you can't really guarantee if he was going to be able to start after that. So it is based on performance. So you won't be getting questions about Deshaun. I'm not asking if Deshaun was going to start after that game.

3:05Because after that second game, that was a good game by Deshaun. He played really, really well. It was an offensive line. It was some running backs missing stuff. It was Denzel Boston. If he would have caught that, he got three tutties for 260 yards. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, Deshaun, that's perfect ball. We can win with that football. So I'm like, that's why I was like, coach, don't think we're not asking questions about the quarterback for no reason. Like, now it's all funny you can come in here and say that because he played well and we're not pressing it. It's good. Deshaun, look well.

3:36Please continue this and continue to move forward so we don't have to be asking you about what's our quarterback position looking like. Yeah, definitely. Hey, Joe. Yes. You know, my daddy, man, before he passed, man, he used to tell me, you always look a man in the eye before you kill him. And I got to ask you a question. I want to look you in your eye. Yes. So say Todd Monken is right, and Deshaun gets better, and he plays better throughout the year, and he gets better each game and y 'all fans actually start to back him. He's playing well. He's making plays. Matter of fact, looks like he may make some type of all pro.

4:25Everything is going great, Joe. Season's over with. So, can you tell me, Joe, what are y 'all going to do in the process of trying to figure out if y 'all or if you would keep this quarterback who just got y 'all into the playoffs, maybe got y 'all a game away from an AFC championship game. What are y 'all going to do when it comes time for him to leave? Because this is last year in the contract. Are you in a position now where you got to sit there, as I told y 'all? this is why I'm hoping he goes good. So I can see what y 'all got to do. If y 'all got to give this man another 230 or more, because right now, if he goes and does this and he gets like an all pro or something like that, Joe, and he goes and does playoffs and he gets him a couple of wins, Joe, that's 50.

5:29Debo, James. Hey, hey, hey, and here's the crazy thing. I think this is really, backfiring on y 'all because your owner really wanted to get the young Manning over there in Texas and he was hoping Deshaun would play bad. But Deshaun is ruining his plans right now.

5:53That's all, Joe. What do you think, Joe? What'd that go do? Deshaun's, in June of next season, Deshaun Watson is going to be, is going to be$87 million to the cap if we don't let him go by June 1st. I hear what you're saying. After that$230 million, I don't see. I will be so glad for Deshaun Watson because he showed that he can be a franchise quarterback for another team. I think that he will be able to. Somebody else will have to pay him. I'm glad that he would be able, because I don't think Deshaun Watson would want to really be in Cleveland. I don't think, I think the, it's not, it's not here.

6:41Not here. After the 230. 87. What? Make you, I'd go to, I'd go to everywhere but hell for 87.

6:52No? Well, look, if worse, worse comes to worse, worse comes to worse.

7:01I don't even think we can franchise I don't even know if in this contract I don't think we could tag him either so yeah that's why you don't put him out there Joe no no no no you put him out there because you actually if you really think that you're going to for the Haslams you already paid him 200 million you got another what was it 230 something mil and he has only 40 left this year on the deal so if you're going to go do me something let me see if I can get the best out of you and if you can, like you said, go to the playoffs do whatever you can, okay, we ended up it didn't work, but now we're not going to, we can't continue to pay that, or we, no no, I don't think so, brother okay Joe what's when, you know, it is what it is you know, you do what you say, we say but look here man, let's go on over here we have an anonymous NFL exec blasted the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Aaron Rodgers For being too old.

7:59What did you expect? He's 42. Can't do it anymore. Never thought that would work anyway. Why don't you say your name? You exact... Joe. Yo. What do you think, man? You think he... Is this any... Is there any credibility to this? You think... Zero. Zero. Zero. Zero. Not one chance. He tripping, right? He tripping. I would tell you this. A-Rod, at the same, 42 years old, obviously, but you cannot tell me that his arm talent isn't better than everybody, all the other quarterbacks we have on our team. A-Rod's mental. I would say most of the time, if we don't get any time for him to be blocking all these damn bootlegs and people are getting pushed all the way into the backfield, that's not going to work if our run game isn't hitting.

8:57And now when we're talking to Mike McCarthy, he's saying we can't be no real dink and dunk. We have to be able to set up some concepts to be able to get down the field. That's not the way it's going to work. So it's only game two. We see our offense. We only scored one touchdown in two games. So Mike McCarthy is definitely understanding him and A-Rod know something got to give. The offense is looking trash. I don't think personally if A-Rod, he took two bad sacks and he got a strip sack. And then I think that he tried to escape the pocket one time. And I'm like, A-Rod, you're not fast. You know what I'm saying?

9:29Just stay in there a little bit more. Throw it away. There was just two runs. I don't care. Offensive line, period. You can't say this with the offensive line we got. No, no, no. I'm saying it's two plays. The offensive line, a lot of plays they mess up. But I can say as a quarterback, Graydon, I'm like, you could have did a little bit more pocket press on this one. Just two plays. Like, A-Rod, there's no – it's okay. You can make mistakes also. You know what I'm saying? Not like he's the main factor, but I'm saying there's only two plays out there. I saw A-Rod that you could have stayed in the pocket just a little bit better and would have helped you out or to protect the ball when he stripped it out of there.

10:08That's just you trying to escape with the ball in one hand. You know what I'm saying? I don't, I don't, I'm not, I'm not willing to put any good measure of this on A-Rod. It's not an end. Even Mike, he told reporters, he said, we've got to give Aaron better platforms to throw off of. I don't want to dink and dunk all day and play keep away football. There's a place for that, maybe situationally, but that's not the philosophy. So he knows that we have and he has an issue. We have an issue. We've all got an issue. It's the damn offensive line. um the same thing you know early in their uh in the year uh or through to uh training camp where they were trying to put together so many different combinations now they're like you know what that that might have been he's saying now that probably was a bad idea like we need to get one combination together so that we can give them some time together because it was a a good number of stuff where cats was just running free they weren't even you know getting to a dude they weren't they weren't franning out to get to it and he said he had to uh condense and and you know um condensed the playbook to make it simpler.

11:19So for you as whoever this exec is to just be like, it's all Aaron. He's old. He can't do it. You're crazy. Did you see some of those throws that he made? Yeah, he made some bad throws, but all quarterbacks do. But for him to just lay it all on Aaron crazy, like who do you think go come in there? You go have Mason or Will or Allard do better with the line that we have? You have no. Hell no. That's why I'm not. I'm with you a thousand percent. It's going to be A-Rod, and we're going to have to figure it out with the scheme, him and Mike McCarthy understanding. And playmakers got to be able to make plays.

11:55All kinds of lines, like you said, it starts there. If we can't run, if we can't block for A-Rod, it don't matter who's back there being the quarterback. You're going to get hit upside the head, and they're knowing that they're not respecting the run game. So we got to get that in check. And then when we get the ball to our receiver's hands, we got to catch it. We got to make plays. We got to start actually making people miss. Bernard, did you see that? He looked like the best receiver. We kept going. He was getting open and he was catching the ball. Combat catches across the middle. Like, you got to make the routine things routinely.

12:31Like, when you see Devontae Adams in those dudes, you're not expecting. A lot of those toe taps, those dig passes, Those are tips. Those are drops. Those are first down conversions. Those are touchdowns that are just routine because that's what you do on offense. It looks like, oh, no, that's a crazy play. No, that's what he expects to do because he's Devontae Adams. He gets paid$30 million a year, and you're in the NFL. Like, that's what we – we're expected to do crazy things, but that's not crazy. Like, if you don't convert those plays, then you're like, hold on. That's when it starts looking weird.

13:04People are questioning you. People aren't questioning you. Because the normal, there's never a question when you're coming across the middle and you're just plucking the ball out the air. You're catching with your hand. You're professional. That's what you do. You're supposed to be the one at your spot. That's what you do. It's like watching bowling and you see a dude that don't bowl at 200. A professional bowler that don't bowl at 200, that's crazy. Yes. That's what you do. That's what you do. If somebody in the backyard, if there's somebody at the beach and you throw him a fade ball and he drops, he don't know how to go over the shoulder.

13:35That's not what he do. No question. Like your boy over there that was over there at the beach. Dude, making like you were playing San Francisco. Oh, your boy Love. Your boy Love. Wrong leg. You don't know how to run the post. And you catching it over the wrong shoulder. You don't know what to do. Hey, Joe, man. You ain't nothing, man. You ain't nothing, man. Hey, so now it's being reported that the Steelers did offer Joey Porter Jr. your contract. They're saying it was leaked that was just north of$27 million. So, the report, of course, yeah, it would have been a significant raise over his $3.9.

14:24The reporter earned in$26. But, as we all know, Joey turned it down. Now that we had the report, Joe, do you think that he should have accepted the offer taking the deal No, I don't. I don't. I don't. The thing that they do is, at the end of the day... How did this leak, Joe? Because what gets leaked sometimes, I would think, is what makes the team look good and what does not make the player look good. So what makes the team look good and what everybody's looking at is average per year. $27 million a year. $28 million a year. Nobody's mad at that. That looks like Joey Porter Jr. That's not even what it said.

15:07I'm going to say 27 million. I know what you're saying, but that's not it. North of 27 million. When this stuff comes out, this is what makes teams look good because you can make a good side saying, no, Joey Porter playing for$27 million a year is a good deal for the Steelers to offer him, and that's just where they could stand. Maybe not. Maybe that's not what it is, but that's what the Steelers can put out there. So when you don't say a guaranteed number, that's where the player is in favor. Because if you can say$27 million a year, that sounds good. When we talk about what is the guaranteed number, the only highest I've ever heard anything is around 33.

15:49And like anything like that just doesn't make sense when we talk about Joey Porter Jr.'s contract. So if you see, if it says$27 million a year. Are your kids bored with the same old sports? Try fencing, the Olympic and Paralympic sport that mixes speed, strategy, and fun. It's like chess meets cardio. Quick feet, quick decisions, and a satisfying beat when you score a point. Kids, teens, and adults can start anytime. Fencing is one of the fastest-growing NCAA sports, with new colleges adding programs every year. Many clubs have loner gear. Coaches teach fundamentals and safety from day one. Find a beginner class near you at tryfencing.org.

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18:59If you guys are thinking that$33 million a year, I mean$33 million guaranteed for the contract of a four-year deal, averaging at$27 million a year, is a deal that Joey Porter's assigned, then that's where everybody's saying it. What Joey Porter's looking at is what is the market? The dudes that are signing, it's the guaranteed number. If I'm at a$33 million guaranteed, it's not the average per year. Average per year, that's fine. We could do the 27th. Like, that doesn't mean, but how many is that guaranteed? Is it two years? Is it 27 times two? Am I going to get$54 million in guaranteed? Because those are my first two years of the season just to be guaranteed.

19:37And I know y 'all saying that y 'all love me and we're going to be good, but then I have my next two years of the contract that aren't guaranteed that the Steelers normally, when you sign a deal, they respect it. So I'm looking at the Roonies and just the relationship there is like, you signed a deal and now your first two years are guaranteed and then the rest of it isn't. But it's like, that's what's happening right now. And we're saying it's 27 and the leak is that, yes, it was just north of 27. And we're saying that the only leak was a 33, it was a guarantee, or sorry, that a rumor was 33 guarantee.

20:11But the actual we have a leak that says, oh, yeah, it was a fish. I think it's Jerry Dulac report for Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. He's the one that said or was told or heard that the Steelers proposed an extension that would give Porter 27, just north of 27 million. Even in that, he said that that was just for the next year for 26. It's not even said that that is the yearly. so he doesn't even say that that is the yearly average that it was 26 for next year or 27 low north of 27 for next year yeah like let's let's can we get some other information that get you know leaked like maybe what the guarantee is and and all that other stuff uh because that's that's what we really come down to and like he's saying now that well obviously the two sides aren't negotiating or aren't currently negotiating but here's my issue man here's my big issue what's up you don't want to pay him whatever that is that it may be and you don't want to trade him because you don't feel like you're you're being offered the value that he's worth but you don't want to pay him so like like Like, what's going on there?

21:32Because when it comes down to it, if you don't want him, trade him. If you don't want to pay him, trade him. And you know what the trade should be? What was he, a second? I'm pretty sure. It's a bunch of teams out there that would give a second. But you're probably trying to get a first plus something else or maybe a first. Because you know what you got. Blah, blah, blah. Because you know what you got. Right. Right. Now, you know, his back hurt and everything else. and you want to basically try and hold him hostage in a situation where he can be franchised for two more years because you're not going to get the value that you feel like he's worth, but you don't want to pay him what he's worth.

22:14That makes no sense. At what point do you just be like, all right, let's move on? What, it ain't going to happen because this is the only recourse that y 'all have as you know as an owner you go go ahead and you do what you got to do and if they you know if they want to go and do this now you you know come down to it i franchise you worst case scenario is you get franchised you get franchised you get 23 this year oh sorry you get 23 next year and you get uh three nine this year three nine in their book that's still more than what you know what you would have gotten then if they want to be super crazy they can franchise you again I think that would only make it like 27 a year after that but I don't know why you would do that if here's the thing when it come down to it if they do that and franchise you and you don't play it's it's a good likelihood that that is going to significantly handicap your career and your career.

23:20You're talking about three years down the line. You're talking about two. This year, they franchising. This year's four. Next year's 22. And then the year after that, it'd be like, what, 20? You said 27. So that's three. I'm saying just for these two, though. If it happens just for these two, that's two years out. Okay, yeah, yeah. It still goes significantly. Because now you say you set out the whole one because you don't want to play for the 23. now you free and you know i'm saying now you got to do approve it now you want to prove it what is he 26 right now 26 26 you want to prove it at 28 trying to get back to the bag at 29 like if it goes that route or like i said you would hit the hit the tag again and if it goes that route at some point you're going to miss what it is that you could have got but again And if I'm him, I'm sorry, I'm doing the same thing and looking for the trade.

24:22Unless they trying to, you know what I'm saying? They trying to get too much for the trade. I don't know. But if you don't want him, you don't want to pay him, let him go. He came in as a two, get out as a two. I think that should be something they should go for the NFLPA. NFLPA, if they don't want to pay the player that comes in, they can't come to an agreement on the negotiation, then the trade should be no more than the value of the person of the other players draft how about that that's not a bad idea because uh yeah it's like you said it's ugly because right now it's the it's it's the it's the guaranteed money yes so we know we have to come to the we have to come to the fact of it's yeah are the Roonies going to budge because it's like at the end of the day I do when I sign with the Steelers my first time too it was you got the first year they were saying the way that they were doing the deal I can get the first year guaranteed whatever and then it's like I believed that I was going to play out my contract knew I was going to ball Did you play out your contract?

25:30Yes Yes Yes I played out my contract I just didn't get it I knew it was done I didn't get it wasn't able to get an extension they gave me I got my first deal I signed an extension to that deal. And once that deal was up, we were talking. And then I just played that contract out. And I knew it was over because we basically stopped talking. We couldn't find a spot. And they let me play the rest of my contract out. And then we just went our separate ways. So I'm looking at with Highsmith, with the history of it, it's like you expect to play well. Joey Porter Jr., I know he expects to come in there and not get hurt and play well.

26:06And even if he does get hurt, with the Steelers then, when they're writing up that deal, the Roonies are writing up the contract to give you four years for, say, at$27 million a year. So say Joey Porter signs it this season and has an extension, goes out next game, gets hurt. Do you, in your heart, do Joey Porter, do you believe if he gets the injury that they will release him next season? Because his guaranteed money is up. I don't think so. I think they will wait until Joey Porter Jr. give his chance to heal. Would you chance that? No, I would not chance that. I would not chance that. I would not chance that at all, Debo.

26:411 ,000%. But I'm just saying, yes, that's why it's the Roonies. You would have to put, it's like it's guaranteed but not guaranteed. Just put it in the paper that the man's going to have the guarantee because the way that it is, he is a lifer. So just make the two years of guarantee, guarantee, because he's not going nowhere. So if that's the real negotiation, if it's not the average per year, it's the guaranteed, just make his first two years guaranteed. So he feels like, boom, y 'all are loving me. I'm loving you guys. The average per year is not the problem. It's just a two years guarantee.

27:13I'm going to be here for more than two years. I'm going to be here for five years. So what's the problem of us making that guaranteed? It's not the average per year. We're not negotiating over the, you know what I'm saying, the annuals. That's all good. But just guarantee me my first two years of this contract is guaranteed. And I'm expecting to continue to play, but you can tell me that you love me. But you got to show me. Show me that you love me. Your words don't mean nothing. Your actions is everything. No. How you going to tell me you love me, but you beat me? You can't do that. That ain't going to go together.