Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Kenneth Walker III to hit free agency + Jalen Hurts the NFL's most hated player?

11:20James Harrison:It was between Julio. It's between Julio and, because I had my, literally it's right here. It's Julio. Julio. It's Julio. It's Julio Jones. But I'll be, I'll give him a nickname. I'll call him Julio. His name is Julio. I called him Julio because that was my guy. But I called him, it's Julio Jones. It was between him and Nice Hands Larry. You had me saying Julio. It was between Julio and Nice Hands Larry. Okay? Larry Fitzgerald. It was between them two. Julio and Nice Hands Larry. Yeah, Larry played forever. Larry's another just consistent longevity. Like, he wasn't nothing too crazy, but the level of consistency that it was.

12:02James Harrison:That's why when I'm saying, when I go Julio, he would give me that work off the line sometimes. He was just big, strong, fast. Some of the craziest stuff I've ever seen. So that's why just athletically and me just covering them, it was a little bit harder for me to cover Julio than it was to cover Larry. Not saying Larry wasn't going to be able to get busy, but I'm just saying when I was like, God damn, all right, Julio, it's going to be some work today. It's going to be some work today. And not like Larry wasn't working today. We say six all-time. When you're comparing the best people of all times, like Isaac Bruce, like there's other players like A.J.

12:39James Harrison:Green, one of the best dudes I went against, You know what I'm saying? Isaac Bruce. Reggie Wayne. Reggie Wayne, one of the best receivers. Torrey Holt, that's not in the Hall of Fame. Torrey Holt needs to be - Torrey Holt in the Hall of Fame? Holt is in the Hall of Fame, which is crazy. Torrey Holt needs to be in the Hall of Fame because him and Isaac Bruce was going ridiculously fed together with the Rams. Greatest show on turf at the same time. Marshall Falk in there, Kurt Warner in there, Isaac Bruce in there. They need to get Torrey Holt in there. That's actually crazy that he's not in. because he's the OG on my list too.

13:11James Harrison:So it's not like, I'm not disrespecting nobody. Like, these dudes are all the ghosts. But when you start talking about just who's your favorite, you're not knocking nobody else to put up another man. Like, if they bring up somebody else, I'm like, yes, baller, that your top five is your top five. You can have a Tori Hall top five, an Isaac Bruce in your top five, a Steve Smith in your top five, Andre Johnson in your top five. And I'd be like this, yep, yep, yep, yep. because when you start trying to put greats in greats, you just talking about greats. You just know, like, and who's your favorite great?

13:46James Harrison:Your favorite great don't got to be my favorite great. So if I'm bringing up, like, no, but what about him? I'm like, oh, he's nice. He's a grazing. He could be the top five for sure. But he's not my top five. You know what I'm saying? Don't get here and get to beating up my list. Let me see your list. And then we could pair. And then we could ask why you like him. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's, when people do these lists, That's why I like accent and just sin, because I'm like, oh, yeah. Okay, you like him more than you like him. Oh, they like this person more than they like this. Tim Brown.

14:15James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? Like, just real live OGs that are fire that somebody can say. And I'm like, yep, put them in the list. Who you taking off my joint? They're like, man, I take them off. I like Tim Brown.

14:24Joe Haden:Speaking of Megatron, bro, when I was in Cincinnati, bro, in 2013, bro, we knew they was about to throw up a helmet into this cat, bro. We had three cats on him, bro. You know he caught the ball, bro. Yes. Bro, he caught. Yes, on all of their head tops. Bro, like, everybody was standing there, and we're like, yo, what? It was at least three if it wasn't four, bro. Like, I don't know. Yes. Those hand up on you. Went up. The disrespect. Like, everybody's there. And it's, he, man, he threw the ball perfectly to where you had to jump and catch it at the high, man. Highest point. Skied up. I'm like, somebody grab his leg or something.

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19:13James Harrison:Like, do something, man. Yes. Megatron had the dudes lining up as a gunner. He had corners. They tried. I was looking at the film, and I'm like, coach, what you're not going to do is have another cornerback lined up next to me like we're running gunner technique. Bro, we had two on his man, man. I was like this. No, no, no, no, no. No, safety lean all the way over here. Don't stand next to me. We look crazy. We're professional athletes. This is not a gunner. He's a wide receiver. Oh, man, bro. Only for Calvin. That was the only time, but I wasn't doing that.

19:51Joe Haden:So Jalen Hurts, they're saying right now, is the most hated player in the NFL, according to a data analyst by some website, Vegas Insider. Oh, no. According to the fans, he got a hate score of 10 out of 10, bro. Like, you can't get no stronger negative reaction from the fans. Why do you think Hurts got a 10 out of 10, bro? Number one. I don't— I'll tell you why. I know why. Go ahead.

20:23James Harrison:You tell me what you think. You tell me what you think.

20:24Joe Haden:Oh, it ain't no thing. I 100 % know why. Why? The most— Hated by the fans, okay? So, Philadelphia fans, I can't stand them. They are the worst, worst-behaved, mannered-talking fans in the world, bro. That's the first time I ever came through, man. These people are throwing, not AIDS, bro. They're throwing batteries at the bus, bro.

20:52James Harrison:Yeah, it's not safe in that stadium. I told my old lady, man, don't come in here wearing nothing. Just come in there with normal clothes. Come in there natural. natural, neutral. You just coming in here because you like, you just like the football atmosphere.

21:07Joe Haden:Bro, when it was folks and we would play up there, people would not wear Steeler gear. They would literally fight you in the stands, bro. Jump you.

21:16James Harrison:That's what I'm saying. I didn't want, that's not cool.

21:19Joe Haden:This is why Jalen Hurts is the most hated by fans because they hate him because he is the face of the organization. so all the fans go hate them. That's easy. That's a 10 out of 10. I can tell you why that was a 10 out of 10, bro. I would make the Philly fans, if they had a list of what fans are the worst fans, they 10 out of 10 for me.

21:42James Harrison:Yeah.

21:43Joe Haden:I'm thinking, they're like, oh, they're going to be throwing this and that at the bus. I'm like, okay, whatever. They were throwing batteries. I'm like, how you going to throw a battery at the bus? They ain't throwing no triple A's. They're throwing C and D's. They do. They throwing real batteries at the bus, bro. That mo hit so hard, bro. I was like, there ain't no battery. They shooting.

22:05James Harrison:That's crazy. Bro. That's crazy. See, I ain't going to lie to you, bro. I think, I don't know. I think you're right. You have a point. I think the Philly fans are bad. Like when I said, when people go there, they are. They go hard. But I think Jalen Hurts, he's just.

22:24Joe Haden:This is a hatred. Listen, what the fans say. Jalen Hurts, he's real chill, bro.

22:28James Harrison:I think people don't like how, like, just sometimes, sometimes he's his nonchalantness. He's just like, he's not nonchalant. He's just real. He just, he's nothing wavers him. You can't say nothing and throw Jalen Hurts off of his vibe. He's going to give you, like, when they're talking about the offense and what's going on, he's just so smooth. Like, like, he don't care. And I think that could, that could bother people or rub people the wrong way a little bit. So I don't know, like, hate it with the fans for sure, but I just think his smoothness and how just they can't, people try to affect him, and, like, he's unbothered by what people say, and I think that's what bothers them about Jalen.

23:08Joe Haden:Nah, I'm telling you, man, he caught a stray because of them fans, bro. I'm trying to tell you, bro. It's no, I just don't. You think it's strictly fans? Dude, it's strictly fans, dude. Like, they on the money, 10 out of 10. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. He called them all, bro.

23:25James Harrison:Feel what I'm saying?

23:25Joe Haden:What's the next one? 10 out of 10 is crazy. Jake Moody? Like, why everybody don't like Moody? Bro, you know he was missing kicks over there. Okay, yeah. So that right there is their actual fans jumping on him for missing all the little, you know, little funny kicks, little short kicks they feel like he should have made. They're like, yo, you done missed a few too many. Daniel Jones? He got a 9-5.

23:50James Harrison:Why do you don't like Daniel Jones?

23:52Joe Haden:I don't understand that one. I ain't going to lie. Only thing I think of is like, are Vegas and I don't know. Are they in the same division or anything? I don't think so, are they? I don't know. I don't know the Daniel Jones thing. Like, man got hurt.

24:10James Harrison:Man got hurt. Man would win and try to try his best. I think it may be because he's New York. Hard place to play in.

24:19Joe Haden:Hell, the other Luther Burton, He was a rookie. Y 'all already hating him already because he ain't give y 'all what y 'all thought y 'all should have got off the rookie year? Like, you making the list. Yeah. Now that's sad. These fans, they ain't got no patience, man. They ain't got no chill. They ain't got nothing, man. And a lot of these people on here is like, I think it's a few too many quarterbacks on here. Why do you hate Burrow?

24:52Joe Haden:Joe.

24:53James Harrison:Joe. What Joe done did anybody? I'm telling you, they don't like the... If you chilling and you cool and you too cool, sometimes they don't like it. I like Joe. Zach Wilson? What he done did? Zach Wilson. What Wilson done did? He ain't do nothing. Is that what it is? That's why. Okay. Okay. So, all right. All right, I see. A-Rod, you know, just the vaccine, you know, he just don't care sometimes. People just hold on grudges. Josh Allen.

25:29Joe Haden:What they got against your boy Watson? Deshaun Watson. What they got against you?

25:34James Harrison:What don't they try to got? Like, they feel like my man got the guaranteed bag. He coming back. What's going on?

25:42Joe Haden:What's with that? He still under contract? What's going on? Yeah, yeah, my man.

25:45James Harrison:We got another year of guaranteed. Deshaun, 46 million. They don't give him a chance to compete? Yeah. I mean, look, 46 million reasons. If he's coming in there with a good leg, I mean, if I'm the Browns and you're paying him that bread and this is the last year of guaranteed money on the contract, he's healthy. And that's the other thing. He has not been a distraction. He hasn't been doing anything. He's been trying to get healthy, trying to do the right thing. So as the team, if I'm the organization, you're still paying him his 46 guaranteed. Obviously, you got Shador still there. And now we have quarterbacks.

26:20James Harrison:So if he's healthy and he wins it out, let him play. We'll see. We still got him there.

26:25Joe Haden:Okay, he healthy. So here, he healthy, he win it out.

26:28James Harrison:Yeah. We got one more year. Now, hold on.

26:30Joe Haden:He healthy, he win it out. Y 'all ball. No.

26:34James Harrison:He ball. Hold on. He ball. No. The back pay for Deshaun? No. you already got 240 can you let me finish what I was going to say the people are going to hear what I was going to say Joe

26:46Joe Haden:you already thinking it in your head but let me put it out there

26:48James Harrison:I know what you're saying, you lost your damn mind

26:50Joe Haden:like Joe, let me put it out there it's the Deebo and Joe show that shit quit after my phone stopped after my internet came back go ahead listen, so he go out there he balls out all pro he gets y 'all to the AFC Championship Shit, the defense loses for y 'all. But he put up 450 yards, six touchdowns. What you going to do, Joe? You going to sign him next year? I'm going to give him another bag.

27:25James Harrison:Straight up. If he take us there, if he takes us there, he deserves a way. You know what? You see? Let me get my scenario out. I can change your mind, baby. I'm trying to tell you. Because, because, because. He did. Hey, listen. And he also put up. It is what happened to you. But listen. No, I'm not. Listen, D-Bo. I'm not letting you put all that in my head. What if, what if, if was the fifth? But what if, what if it's a normal, what if, if we go a normal year, you know what I'm saying? I'm, and that's the thing. I'm not going to sound like I'm rooting for a downfall. I want him to win us the ship.

28:01James Harrison:Trust me. Get him some more bags. Hey, Joe, I know. If we win the championship, everybody wins.

28:05Joe Haden:You so used to being let down, you don't want to put that hope in your head, Joe. I understand. I understand. The mentality. I used to be a Browns fan, but I matured.

28:17James Harrison:I grew up. What would you do if he brought us to the AFC Championship game, and then we score 40, and he puts up 450 yards, and we lose? Are you bringing him back?

28:28Joe Haden:I will. Oh, yeah. You didn't even let me finish my scenario. Okay, what's the rest of the scenario? Okay, because he finished that season with 4 ,700 yards, All right. He had 43 touchdowns, four picks.

28:43James Harrison:Yeah.

28:44Joe Haden:You know what I'm saying? And he was just short of the MVP of the league, but they gave him the offensive MVP. OK.

28:57Joe Haden:How many times you giving him, Joe? Because, hey, listen, the bag now around around 60.

29:04James Harrison:I'm giving him two years. And now, too, Deshaun knows that he's already got two. He's thinking, now, hopefully, we're all in the same cahoots. So now, you've got 250 from us already, all guaranteed. How old is he, though? I'm giving him a two-year, another two, and probably another two-year. It's going to be a two-year. Probably. 100. Nah.

29:31Joe Haden:He said he could get better than that. He said he needed three-year. He needed three-year 135, basically, with 120 guaranteed.

29:45James Harrison:No, then we just got to start talking to Sean. Guaranteed numbers. We got to be like, bro, come on, man. You got to work with this. We got to make sure we can keep the talent around you. Now we're trying to have these conversations. Okay, okay. Because the bag is secured.

30:02Joe Haden:Okay. Okay, I got you. I got you. So you're saying, hey, you do that. We kept you around, but you ain't had no choice but to keep him around. You ain't doing no favor. You had to pay him the bag anyway.

30:15James Harrison:But you're saying you need to give us a player deal. Debo, after you signed a five-year$250 million that we just finished paying you, you only played a year and a half of the whole deal. Come on, dog. We gave you$150 while you was healing. You know what I'm saying? So, talk about team friendly. You already hit us with a 150 that we gave you while you was chilling. So, like, come on. You scratch my back, I scratch your back. Everything been good. You hear me? I got you.

30:47Joe Haden:You know, I'm just, you know. Tom Brady started taking the low.

30:49James Harrison:He could have been, kept cranking him. He already cranked us. He already hit us for all the dough. He already, wow. Good. 250. I know you at the taxes. You touched 140 liquid M's. Oh, God. Oof. Yeah. So, let's go ahead. Took my therapist too, man.

31:10Joe Haden:How about the team, man? Took my therapist too, man. He took one of my therapists. Can't nobody even use him no more. He went on ahead and gave him the bag. Yeah.

31:21James Harrison:Yeah, you don't need no more money, man. No, no. Not you don't need no more money. You don't need no more money, man. You don't need to go reset the market.

31:28Joe Haden:You don't need to go be resetting the market. Yes, he do. He need to do it for the players, for the other players. Come, yes, reset the market. Tell him give you a two-year 65 each year, 130 guaranteed. You'll come back for two. That's after you do this year I just told you that you was going to do, or I said you was going to do. That's when it's going to get to cracking, Joe. I got to get to it. Joe, we got Super Chat. Covenant Life back, Joe. We got Covenant Life back.

31:52James Harrison:Covenant Life came back.

31:54Joe Haden:$100. She said. Welcome. She said, hello, guys. James, you got to get a good time. You're going to get a good time out if y 'all don't stop this back and forth. Remember, you said this logo means something. We are the Steelers. Now we needed to give Country Club Howard a chance. baby Jesus cousin can't and should take his rest

32:29alright

32:30Joe Haden:is that another or the same that's another one oh my god where you been coming to life you trying to catch up I see this another hundred dollars

32:41James Harrison:oh my lord

32:45Joe Haden:goodness

32:46James Harrison:she missed us Sweet. I just, hold on.

32:49Joe Haden:I just hope we don't waste our 12 picks. Okay. Country Club needs a chance. He is strong. She's talking about Will.

32:58James Harrison:Okay, okay. She called him Country Club.

33:01Joe Haden:She said, I don't like Hill. Hill. Who's Hill? Who's Hill? She said, we need stability.

33:12James Harrison:Tyreek Hill. Oh, she don't like Tyreek.

33:14Joe Haden:Okay. She don't like it. I need stability. I understand. We ain't like that here. we have to work on the O-line we still got a little bit you know that's vital it ain't as vital as other positions we got other things that are more important right now than the O-line we had some guys hurt we got guys coming back so you know and she said I want my signed jersey from you both Joe your son is your twin precious O and I'm sober she says Covenant life

33:46James Harrison:is I believe you came back again came back with a vengeance

33:50Joe Haden:no it's another one it's another covenant of life five hours she said Heinz Ward the league's nightmare Jerry Rice T.O. Moss and the playmaker ooh I forgot about Irving bro I like respect I can't

34:09James Harrison:I'm not taking it out

34:11Joe Haden:yes yes

34:17Joe Haden:See, that's what I'm saying. Once you start getting it all to now, you start remembering it all.

34:22James Harrison:It's so much. It's so many receivers that really did their thing. And it's no disrespect to not another man to say who's your favorite. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I like to listen to everybody's hearing their favorite top fives.

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37:50Joe Haden:What up, Debo and Joe? While Debo was busy paying his Wi-Fi bill, Joe did a good job hosting the Joe Show. Thank you.

38:00James Harrison:Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You know what I'm saying? I do. I had to do my one-two.

38:04Joe Haden:Professionals over here, man. Listen, I had to go ahead. I went on down. I changed job titles. I became an internet computer type dude, and I did what I had to do. I'm IT. You got it back up. You got it back up and going, though. You know what normally works when something go wrong with computers and IT? You know what normally works? What? Turn all the power off and flip it back on. That's why I went dark. That's why you went dark? Yes. Okay. My go-to is turn all the power off and flip it back on because I got routers here or there. And you know what? I turn all the power off to the house, flip it back on.

38:43Joe Haden:And all of a sudden, I'm the best IT guy in the country, brother. I'm the best IT guy in the country. All right. at dm ozone five dollars it said do you watch college players at your position and try to project them to the pros question that's the question he said if so which players in this year's class are you both excited about so for me personally i do not actually watch the players until it comes time that they are actually on our board as a possibility for us to be able to get. So I don't look to them because if you start looking at that and you get into college, you will be there for the rest of your life.

39:32Joe?

39:33James Harrison:I try to start looking at it. I mean, when it starts getting towards the college football playoffs, I'm like, normally the best team's got the dudes that are coming out. But I seen when I was watching my man, the cornerback from Indiana, number five, I didn't know who he was. And I just like to watch corner play. I watch who plays my position. I'm like up there in manor zone, if he's hitting, if he's jamming, if he's backpedaling, how is he? You know what I'm saying? What is he looking like? Is he comfortable with the ball in the air? So I like to just watch my positions. And then I like to see if who I think is good is about to get drafted.

40:06James Harrison:So then that's kind of how I go by it.

40:10Joe Haden:okay so we're gonna go with max bruce 2078 donated five dollars he said the jets have the second and the 16th pick trade 16th pick trade what trade nick herbert a third rounder and a fourth rounder for the number 16th pick now we have two first rounders what do you think of that joe

40:43James Harrison:I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I feel like it's too much upside. It's too much. It's too much. That's how you don't want to do that. You don't want to leave. Nick Herbick is in homegrown. You don't just start getting rid of homegrowns for no reason. He's a stiller. He should be there. He's nice. He hasn't done nothing. He hasn't done nothing to work.

41:05Joe Haden:You don't know what you're going to get. I mean, you see an idea of it in the college game, but the pro game, the transition for a lot of people. Hell, look at the hate this receiver. He up there because he ain't do what they thought he was supposed to do in the first year. So I'm not I don't like that. I don't like that idea. And. I don't I don't see nobody giving you that, to be honest. Like, I'm going to give you. A player. Well, you go get a player in the third and the fourth for 16, they feel like they could get a first and a player for 16. If need be, depending on how bad the person wanted.

41:46Joe Haden:They got second and 16th pick. Hey, that could be a possibility to get to the 16th, though. Trade them our second at the 21 if dude is there.

41:57James Harrison:I like that way more. Getting rid of those picks. We don't know who the hell they are. You know what I'm saying? Man, those are invisible people that you got to pick. But, like, I know Nick Herbert. I've seen him before. I know exactly what we're going to get on the field. So let's get rid of these invisible picks that are in later rounds that hopefully can make something happen that we can get rid of to then get up into a higher position. So I'd rather get rid of picks than our good, legit players that we know.

42:22Joe Haden:You know a Jonathan Hayden, 1-3-7-8?

42:25James Harrison:Oh, that sounds like my Jonathan Hayden. If that's Jonathan Hayden, that's my brother. Five dollars.

42:31Joe Haden:Come on, Tuntun. He said, y 'all boys doing your thing. Keep it up. He said, I'm in the chat. He. That's my little brother, man. Tut-tun. Love him to death. He. Oh, man. All right. We got Mikel Randall. He back. 8-8-4-3. Donated$2. He said, is TJ not the new Debo? Is TJ now, sorry. Is TJ now the new Debo with Alex and Nick coming up? Nah, I think, I ain't going to lie, just the possibility of what the trade would look like for Alex, I think they may, that could be a move to open up some room for Herbic.

43:25James Harrison:Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, for sure. I'm more just it pains to say I'm not saying that like that's what I want to happen but just looking at it you talking about TJ TJ's not going nowhere I think they might do the Highsmith move before they do that like in that chat that he said Herbic and something like nah it may be it could be Highsmith because that's money you know what I'm saying and not that I want it to happen but TJ no sad Highsmith they might want they might do something before and I don't want I say I want it to happen

43:57Joe Haden:What's the other young backer they got out there?

44:01James Harrison:From Ohio State.

44:02Joe Haden:Sawyer? Yes. Yeah. Sawyer. Yeah, they got Sawyer. He came back with another one. Same one. He said, is Pitt going to do TJ like Debo when TJ and Bud came in? Nah, it's a transition. You know, it's just a thing of who it is that they, you know, want playing at the time. The older you get, the more they're trying to, you know, transition to younger players. And I mean, at some point in time, father time, go catch up with everybody. But I don't see. I don't see TJ being. Just just put out. It's too much. it's too much paper there for one like there's too much paper there for one and it's too much of uh i hate to say it of an upside if you trade off alex and you can pick up something else plus you got herbert there you're seeing what sawyer can do and then from there you know it's just you you can't you can't that's the face right there man brother tj not going nowhere man he's

45:19James Harrison:the ball. He does everything in the right way.

45:21Joe Haden:And that's the thing I realized is that just because his numbers aren't there, his numbers may not be there, but other people are benefiting off of him just being on the field because now they're chipping and doubling. They're doing everything they can to say, hey, we're not going to let him beat us. But if he does, then okay. Like, you know, like when Woodley and I were playing, it was like, okay, we're not going to let Debo beat us. And then it was like, oh man, Woodley can beat us too. So then we started getting a lot of max protecting where you had the one and two man routes. So you got to cover a little longer, but that also gave us, you got less people out there.

45:59Joe Haden:It gave us more time to get there. So then you start switching it up. You start giving them something that looked like the outsides is coming and now you twist on the insides. And it causes a lot of confusion, especially for offensive lines and quarterbacks when they're trying to make calls and figure out what's going on, where they want to turn the offensive line to and all the other stuff. So, yeah. I'm with it. We got one more. We got one more it looks like, Joe. It says, is that OG man's fan? $6.934 donated$5. dollars. It said, can we get Debo and Joe to spend the summer at Nick LaBowse's house, master that defense, and come in and coach this Steelers defense to get that seventh rank?

46:54Joe Haden:Listen, that sounds great, but I feel like McCarthy has already said that's what he's going to do, and he is going to get that opportunity. Although, if he is going to continue to use the defense he got it would be a great opportunity i think for maybe mike mccarthy to you know ring dick lebow's bell and say hey i want to just look and and measure out you know come in uh come in the ots training camp whatever it is let's see how much of this defense actually is the real dick lebow fire zone because you know we just want to see and all i'm saying i think coach lebow would be happy to be a, what do you call it?

47:42Joe Haden:What do they call it?

47:44James Harrison:Not an assistant. What's the word I'm looking for?

47:50Joe Haden:A consultant. Consultant. There you go. That's a good one. Yeah, it wouldn't mind being a consultant. You know? I don't, but if they didn't, you know, I'm going to figure out when I can do that. Sit down with Coach. I'm going to probably have to bribe him and be like, hey, coach, man, come on out here, man. We got a little vacation set up for you. Why don't you come on out, man? We're going to sit out. We're going to hang out in Arizona, and we're going to play golf, you know, and we're going to hit 36 holes a day. And then at night, I'm going to go pick your ear, and you're going to tell me everything I need to know about this fire zone defense.

48:28Joe Haden:Mm-hmm. Okay? That's going to be the tradeoff.

48:32James Harrison:Yep, yep, yep. I like the word liaison.

48:36Joe Haden:liaison. Yeah. No question. Look here, man. We want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode, Debo and Joe. I know things got a little hectic in the middle. It got kind of a little mixed up right there, but that is not my fault. But I am the guy that fixed it. I will say that. You did your thing, Debo. I did my thing. I got a degree in general studies. I generally know a little bit about everything, okay? You know what I'm saying? So that's why I went ahead and fixed that as a professional IT guy. Professional electrician. Yeah. No, electricity was good. I actually, Joe, here it is, Joe.

49:18Joe Haden:I actually had to go in and I had to do some plumbing too because my toilet, my toilet thing, it was running. You know what I'm saying? I told you, Joe, I'm down here bad, Joe. Gosh. Like, listen, I don't need, bro, I can't pay nobody to come in and do it, bro. So I'm out here, same thing. I was working on the toilet before it came, man. Hey, man, I got a couple under there, man. Catching the drip right now, man. I'm down bad in these streets, man.

49:42James Harrison:Yeah, man. You a man of many hats. You know? Handyman, electrician.

49:47Joe Haden:Hey, everything. I just change hats, man, and just keep it going, man. Yeah, you just get it done. Hey, that's what I do, man. Do what you can do when you can do it, man. You know what I'm saying? I generally know a little bit about everything. You know what I'm saying? I'm generally going to get it fixed in general, you know? Hey, we want to thank y 'all for joining again, man. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe and download the show where you get your podcast.

50:13James Harrison:Joe. Yo. I will see you guys on Friday and let you know, Debo, too. I'm going to be shooting from a different location. I will be in Cabo. Oh. You know what I'm saying? Got a little golf trip going on. So I'll see you on Friday. I don't even know about Cabo.

50:24Joe Haden:I don't even... Where's that at? Is that in the United States?

50:27James Harrison:Cabo. It's in St. Lucia. St. Lucia.

50:29Joe Haden:Cabo, St. Lucia. Where's St.

50:30James Harrison:Lucia? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't...

50:32Joe Haden:Bro, where's St. Louis? Is that down by St. Margaret's?

50:36James Harrison:We got to Google it. Is that down by St.

50:38Joe Haden:Margaret's Hospital?

50:40James Harrison:Look, this is the crazy part. I couldn't tell you. I just know it's Cabo. I know it's by the East Coast. That's when you know you don't even care what it is.

50:47Joe Haden:It's close to the West Coast. It's close to the West Coast. It got sun. It got sun. It got beach.

50:52James Harrison:It got water. It got golf. It got the homies. We about to go have a good little vibe.

50:58Joe Haden:Man, look here, Joe. Hey. And we out.

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