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Nightcap Podcast Episode Summary
Podcast Overview Title: Nightcap Description: Nightcap is a nighttime sports talk show hosted by NFL legends Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, offering unfiltered takes on the latest sports headlines, particularly in the NFL, NBA, and college football.
Episode Details Title: Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Mike Evans Leaves Tampa, Tua to the Falcons, Chiefs sign Kenneth Walker III Description: NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden discuss significant football trades and signings, including Tua Tagovailoa's signing with the Atlanta Falcons, Mike Evans joining the San Francisco 49ers, and Kenneth Walker III's signing with the Kansas City Chiefs.
Timestamps
- 00:00 - Tua signs with Falcons
- 14:45 - Malik Willis signs with Dolphins
- 18:00 - Mike Evans signs with Niners
- 23:23 - Kenneth Walker signs with Chiefs
- 36:45 - Play or Fade Presented by PrizePicks
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Key Discussions
Tua Tagovailoa's Signing with the Falcons
- Contract Situation: Tua is expected to be released by the Dolphins, leading to discussions on the implications of a $99 million dead cap hit.
- Concerns on Performance: Deebo and Haden discuss Tua's injury history, particularly concussions, and how that impacts his playing style and team decisions.
- Owner's Perspective: Deebo expresses that as an owner, he would struggle to justify such a financial loss without any return.
Malik Willis to the Dolphins
- New Opportunity: Willis signs a contract that suggests confidence in his potential, with discussions about how Miami is positioning itself strategically regardless of prior decisions.
Mike Evans' Departure and New Signing with the 49ers
- Reasons for the Move: Evans' agent claims the decision was not about money, but rather seeking a new challenge and opportunity with a championship-contending team.
- Contract Details: A three-year deal worth up to $64 million with the 49ers raises questions about his motives and the Buccaneers' decision-making.
Kenneth Walker III to the Chiefs
- Rationale for the Signing: The Chiefs need a reliable running game to support quarterback Patrick Mahomes. Walker's speed and versatility could greatly enhance their offense.
- Impact on the Chiefs: The addition is seen as a move to ensure Mahomes doesn't carry the entire team's offensive load alone.
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Play or Fade Segment
- Presentation of Players: Deebo and Haden discuss various player performances and how they might fit into the upcoming games.
- Game Predictions: They analyze player statistics, potential impacts, and betting strategies based on current trends in the league.
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Key Takeaways
- The discussions highlight the complexities surrounding player contracts and team decisions within the NFL.
- Injury narratives, particularly regarding Tua, indicate a broader concern about player safety and management in the league.
- Evans' shift from Tampa to San Francisco shows the dynamic nature of player careers and the importance of strategic team placements.
- The Chiefs' acquisition of Walker signifies a tactical approach to strengthen their running game, aiming to support their star quarterback effectively.
Conclusion This episode of Nightcap dives deep into the recent trades that will shape the upcoming NFL season. The insights from Deebo and Joe provide an inside perspective on the motivations behind player movements in professional football. The mix of humor and serious analysis makes for an engaging listen for any sports fan.
Next Episode: Tune in again on Friday for more insights and discussion from Deebo and Joe!
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOTua's Situation and Contract Implications
3:42 to 4:30
Analyzing Tua's release and its financial implications for the team.
“Visit your nearby Lowe's on Tonnell Avenue in North Bergen.”
Value of NFL Contracts and Roster Spots
4:30 to 5:50
Discussion on the balance of roster spots versus high-value contracts.
“Somebody give you$100 million to go home?”
Tua's Performance and Future in NFL
5:50 to 8:20
Exploring Tua's potential as a quarterback and future opportunities.
“Because I'm not giving you$100 not to do nothing.”
Comparison of Player Decisions
8:20 to 9:20
Debating the choices between financial security and championship success.
“You let your neck just go crazy, you're putting yourself to sleep.”
Humor and Insights on NFL Life
9:20 to 14:00
Light-hearted discussion and insights into the NFL player lifestyle.
“So you make, you know, about 50 over your career.”
Championship Rings and Their Value
14:00 to 18:31
Discussing the significance of championship rings and the rationale behind selling them.
“You know, when you're winning the playoffs, you get things.”
Public Investing Promotion
18:31 to 19:19
Introduction to Public Investing and its innovative investment features.
“I'm cool with the move to get, you know, support for the show comes from Public, the investing platform for those who take it seriously.”
Mike Evans Leaves Tampa for San Francisco
21:54 to 28:00
Discussion on Mike Evans' move from Tampa to San Francisco and the implications of his decision.
“last i'm good with that great with the price that was way cheaper than what you know we were thinking like you might get 30 a year you know what i'm saying what is that 24 25 something like 22 something?”
Mike Evans' Move and Its Implications
28:00 to 29:50
Discussing Mike Evans' decision to leave Tampa Bay, focusing on the reasons behind it and the impact on the team.
“Because I'm not going from Florida, no tax, to California.”
Chiefs' Strategy with Kenneth Walker III
29:50 to 31:20
Analyzing the Kansas City Chiefs' signing of Kenneth Walker III and its significance for the team's running game.
“Listen, you over there in San Fran next to all that signals and all that other stuff.”
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Improving the Chiefs' Offensive Game
31:20 to 32:50
Exploring the importance of balancing the running game to support Patrick Mahomes and enhance team performance.
“Somebody where Patrick Mahomes back there getting running around, trying to ad-lib all the time.”
Impact of Raiders' Contract Decisions
32:50 to 35:30
Discussing the implications of the Raiders' contract for Kyle Lindenbaum and how it affects their team dynamics.
“go pay them maybe a little bit more and get you what you need.”
Quarterback Prospects for the Raiders
35:30 to 38:00
Debating the potential quarterback options for the Raiders and the future of their offensive strategy.
“got Crosby, but I feel good that you're losing something because when you go and you take something that shouldn't have been yours, you need to lose something.”
Free Agency Spending Frenzy
44:13 to 45:58
Discussing the massive spending in free agency and the implications for teams.
“Joe, man, them boys, they say they spent over a billion dollars in 90 minutes as soon as free agency started this year.”
Player Accountability and Responsibility
45:58 to 47:19
Exploring the responsibilities athletes have to their teams and public image.
“I want to say it's pride, but it's not pride.”
Player Fade Predictions
47:19 to 49:19
Analyzing upcoming games and player performances for bets and predictions.
“Time for Player Fade presented by Prosper.”
Listener Interactions and Fan Reactions
49:19 to 51:31
Engaging with fans and discussing their perspectives on player movements.
“out-duel him Luka going to at least drop a 30 ball so I'm liking all of these to hit for the exact reasons I said I ain't going to lie to you Joe the only one I'm tripping on man who are you tripping on?”
Strategic Discussions on Player Matchups
51:31 to 56:00
A deep dive into strategies for handling player matchups and team formations.
“The only thing they have going for them is that Julio signed for one day to retire.”
Football Strategy and Player Dynamics
56:00 to 58:10
Learn about the nuances of football strategies and player interactions.
“You can't stop nobody from doubling nobody.”
Internet Presence and Personal Interactions
58:10 to 59:48
Explore the contrasts between online personas and real-life interactions.
“Maybe if Logan Paul probably would call Troy out to fight him quick.”
Transcript
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3:42James Harrison:Visit your nearby Lowe's on Tonnell Avenue in North Bergen.
3:47Joe Haden:You know who ain't cooking with Talo? Tua. Tua. Tua. Hey, I ain't gonna lie. He cooking. He's still cooking. He's definitely cooking. Hey, he's still cooking. They said they scheduled to release him to a Tonga by Lowe post June 1st designation. so by them cutting him they are going to take a record dude 99 million dollars in dead money split over two years like dude he plans to sign with atlanta i guess once once he's uh once he was released like dude how bad do it gotta be for them to say you know man we just gonna take that's hit at this 99 and let you go over it.
4:32James Harrison:That's what I'm trying to figure out. Somebody give you$100 million to go home? That's crazy. Take your ball and your$100 million and go home, Roger. Like, how bad can it be? So that's why when we look at these contracts of like, oh, yeah, Tua, back in the day, like, oh, yeah, they signed up a$250. He's like, yeah, come on, give me the money. Now, two years later, they're letting him go and giving him$100 to go with his ball. Like, for me as an owner, I don't care. I can't bite$100 million for you to go take the ball. Like, I don't know. You got to be—it has to be something so bad.
5:19Joe Haden:You kind of got to bite that because you just hired a new head coach. Okay, no, no, for sure. You got to bite that one. You got to bite that one because he's saying you ain't about to stick me with this. feelings and then tell me you're going to fire me in two years when we don't do shit. I'm just looking at it as an owner-wise. So you would have just kept him and just made him just stay there and come to work.
5:38James Harrison:You asked me if I own the team, I can't give somebody$100 million down the street. That just doesn't make sense.
5:46Joe Haden:That's a roster spot, though, that you need, Joe.
5:47James Harrison:He's still going to be on the team. I don't care. If he's getting$100, he's on my team. I don't care. He's going to do something. He's going to be doing something. Because I'm not giving you$100 not to do nothing. I can't. Even if they don't have him on the team, he's on another team. Are you paying this? No. No. Just for my mental state.
6:08Joe Haden:Joe, you can't take up the roster spot. Joe, you got to let it go.
6:11James Harrison:No.
6:13Joe Haden:Joe.
6:13James Harrison:His ass backup quarterback for a hundred million.
6:16Joe Haden:You going to make him practice squad? Yes. And keep him there for the 99? You only do it for a year, I think. I didn't get nothing. They didn't do no practice squad. They could have did that.
6:29James Harrison:You get nothing for him. And you pay him
6:34Joe Haden:the$100 million out of two years. Joe, that's going to look so petty, though. I mean... Now we worried about being petty? I'm trying to put myself in the honesty without being petty. And I can't. I'm with you. It's not your$100 million I'm paying.
6:50James Harrison:It's my$100 million. You let me be as petty as I want.
6:52Joe Haden:He's going to have to do something. I don't care if you...
6:55James Harrison:His ass is cleaning the fucking facility. Something. Hey, you doing something. You doing something. Hey, I don't know. It's clearing. Every other Tuesday, that joint's on his seat for the bag. And then he went to the Falcons. What are they going to pay? What, he's going to the Falcons? They going to pay him 1.4?
7:13Joe Haden:I think they said like 1.3, 1.2, something like that. That's what I'm saying. That's your boy Stefanski over there pulling. I don't know what your boy over there thinking, man. I don't know. He thinking that's going to be the fill-in until Penix get back from that.
7:28James Harrison:The thing is, he realized at the end of the day, he was not knocking him, Tua. Love Tua. But the concussions, him being a little smaller, him not being able to be as, like, when I see Tua run now, I get a little spooked. Because I think, get down or you're about to get your head, you're about to get your bell rung. Because he's a little loose-necked when he starts running out there. He's been put to sleep a lot. And loose neck. What's loose neck? He got to work on his man. Hey, listen. He has to work on his man.
7:59Joe Haden:Now that you said that, this is something a lot of people don't understand. It's like neck circumference has a lot to do with concussions. The bigger and thicker your neck is, the least likely you are to get concussions. So y 'all need to work on that neck strength, man.
8:14James Harrison:But you know when somebody falls deep, bro, and they just fall, boom, and you got a strong neck. You're not letting your head snap back. Right. If you go like this, bomb. You let your neck just go crazy, you're putting yourself to sleep. So my thing is, I'm looking at Tua and I'm like, all right, they know he was a franchise quarterback. They wouldn't have gave him the$250 million if they didn't think he was being a franchise quarterback. So I'm looking at the Falcons. That was just the 24. They guaranteeing what, $160? That's what I'm saying. When you get a man that's making that guarantee the$160 and you could get him on your team for 1.4.
8:51James Harrison:We're talking about deals and steals. I'm not mad at Kevin Stefanski for that at all because you got another team paying him$45 million and you have him on your team for 1.4. So you have a franchise quarterback for the low, low, low that they were trying to get rid of. People have worse backup quarterbacks on the team. So if I'm Stefanski, I'm not mad. I'm not mad at it. I would do the same thing. But my thing was with Tua, how much longer? I just don't really but two for the 1.4 is better than two at the 100 take your ball and leave so like if he's still in the league he's still a professional I'm taking him at Atlanta for 1.4
9:29Joe Haden:okay okay hold up Joe I got a scenario for you you know I like to get scenarios I'm a scenario type of guy so you are a journeyman type of player you make good money but you don't make great money Okay. So you make, you know, about 50 over your career. Yes. You get you a couple, you get you full Super Bowls. Full Super Bowls in that process.
10:00James Harrison:Man.
10:01Joe Haden:Yeah. I'm making a difference. Who are you talking about? Or I'm just, I'm just saying, this is you. I'm just saying this is the process. I'm putting you in a, it's a scenario. Putting you in that place. Okay. Okay. Or you end up like Tua getting cut not being not having nothing but you got you got 160 million which one you taking?
10:22James Harrison:I honestly I would take I would take probably I would do the 50 if I had four Super Bowls Debo like I mean I don't yeah I might take four I'd take the four Super Bowls for sure. What if it's one Super Bowl?
10:40James Harrison:One Super Bowl
10:41Joe Haden:So it basically asked me is one Super Bowl or$90 million? That's what you're asking me. I'm telling you one Super Bowl or extra$110 million. But you considered a bum now. Considered a bum? Yeah. You don't just let nobody go with$100 million if you ain't considering them a bum. You're correct with that.
11:04James Harrison:You're correct.
11:05Joe Haden:And you'll probably take it, Joe. Tell me.
11:08James Harrison:No, I'm a one ship, 50 million or no ships in 160. And they calling me a bum.
11:17Joe Haden:Calling you a bum.
11:19James Harrison:I'm taking that bread.
11:21Joe Haden:They calling you a bum and you a snitch and you telling on people. See, you always trying to add. Telling people ain't showing up at the meetings. I'm just adding. Act the chat. What you think, chat?
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11:32James Harrison:No, man. I'm going to go ahead and take that. I'm going to go ahead and take that. I'm going to go ahead and take that 160.
11:41Joe Haden:I ain't never I ain't never been Money to rule the all evil man Ooh I don't know what that is Joe
11:49James Harrison:Hey how about them dudes Don't talk to me how about them dudes That selling their Super Bowl rings How about that Listen That Super Bowl ain't keeping their lights on So they get a little bit jacked up And they had to let that thing go
12:05Joe Haden:Listen I would sell mine For the right price and you talking about me joe listen i still won the super bowl listen joe i won the super bowl just because i sell somebody the ring that want to overpay just to have the sentimental value of putting it on their finger if they're willing to pay what it is i'm willing to give it up for hell yeah you can't take away my super bowl you can't take away your super bowl i understand that You're correct. What is he talking about? Just like you can't get a Super Bowl or get no respect or you can't lose the tag of being a bum or a snitch or all that other stuff.
12:45Joe Haden:It's not me. You talking about... I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I can get... Listen, listen. I don't need to wear it on my finger to see. I don't got a shit. But niggas not walking around calling me a bum.
12:55James Harrison:That's for sure.
12:56Joe Haden:That's what I'm saying, Joe. You going to take that? You going to take the 160 instead of the hardware, Joe?
13:00James Harrison:Why you had to call a man a snitch, though? You just threw it everything.
13:03Joe Haden:No, I was just saying. He said that people wouldn't come to meetings and he was dropping names on it. But, you know, I'm just saying. Hey, Joe. Yo. You want one of these for the right price? I'll sell you one of them. See, no. I don't. I don't. Because I don't deserve it. It's not mine. Hey, hey. It's not mine. I send you this one because it goes with the jersey that I got for you.
13:24James Harrison:Uh-huh. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, send it with the jersey. Uh-huh. I can't stand you sometimes. You so cool. You so fun.
13:37Joe Haden:Hold on. Let me make sure you can see it, Joe. There you go, Joe. There you go. It's a pinky ring.
13:47Joe Haden:Hey, Joe. Here, let me show you this one. This one right here. Go, Bebo, go. Listen, Joe. This one right here. This one got six of them things in there, Joe. There's six of them things in there. This one only got five. But anyway. I like that one more. You like that one more? Yeah. Listen. that one right there to sell that one boy listen you thought giraffe pussy was high they ain't even got nothing higher to do charge I'm going to get for that
14:13James Harrison:you're going to need some of that dead money
14:16Joe Haden:hey I'm going to need some of that dead uh huh okay listen my kids got one one of my sons got one one of my sons got the other one one of them got a watch and some other stuff whatever, you know, AFC Championship stuff. You know how it goes. You know how to eat. You know, when you're winning the playoffs, you get things. Oh, you don't? Oh, never mind. All I know is when I got a hat and t-shirt, though. Oh, you got a t-shirt. All right, that's good, yo. And you got a hat, too, right? And a hat. That's good. Yep. That's good. You get some hardware?
14:55James Harrison:Nah, I got a hat. I told you what I got. A hat and a t-shirt. You got a national championship, don't you? Hey. Oh, yeah, national championship, for sure. SEC championship, all that. I got, yeah, plenty of rings.
15:04Joe Haden:Would you sell your national championship ring for the right price? No. Okay, what if he was down back? Yes. Okay, that's what I'm saying, Joe. What are you talking about? Sometimes, like, you can't knock somebody for selling the ring, because sometimes, a lot of times, it's a situation that may have popped up where they need to, you know, they ain't, you know, you know how to go.
15:23James Harrison:No, no, no, for sure, for sure. Does that really say, I'm not knocking, but I'm just saying, you talk Super Bowl is so important. and I'm like, it's not because it's the winning of the game. It's not the material of the ring.
15:35Joe Haden:It's the winning of the game, right? It's not the ring itself. I ain't going to say it don't mean nothing to me. But it does mean something. But anything that is a item that is material can be sold. They can't take the championship.
15:50James Harrison:It's in books.
15:51Joe Haden:It's in the history. You can't take that. Okay, you can't take that. Respect. back. And then, you know what they did? As soon as they did that, they said, hey, we're going to go and drop another$67.5 million and we're going to get Malik Willis as our quarterback for the Dolphins. Joe,
16:12James Harrison:how much money is it? Well, they got that bag in Miami, don't they? That's what I try to tell people all the time. Everybody want to ask, and they got the best facilities, bruh. And their facilities fire and they got a club in their stadium. No taxes, bro. Fire. And they got the club. I forgot about the club. They got a pool too. You walk in to live. You in live. Watching the game is crazy. Miami got it popping. But this one I try to tell you though, D-Bo. This one I try to tell you. Don't let these people fool you and say, oh, we don't have no money. Oh, we don't have no money. How the hell you don't have no money you can give away a hundred million dollars to a nigga not on your team and then bring in another quarterback and give him$67 million.
16:57James Harrison:That's$167 million. $100 for somebody not on your squad. Like, I don't want to hear that. Manipulation, roster things, all of that stuff, all of that making money guaranteed is possible. So anybody talking that craziness, oh, no, we don't have no bread. Look at Miami. Look what they just did. How did they go sign the quarterback and still have$100 million in debt?
17:19Joe Haden:Oh, they also let Minka go there and trade Minka away. They had to find some money. Dude, look, look, look.
17:24James Harrison:Trade it, Minko, way. Where do you go with 50 a year, bro? It's just dead gone. That's what I'm trying to tell you. And you like this. Yeah, you can't have him stay there. I'm like, no, no. I mean, they took it on the chin, like some real ones. We picked the dude, gave him the bread that is not the guy. And they just didn't stand in their own mess.
17:47Joe Haden:Joe, I'm going to find something for him to do.
17:50James Harrison:I already told you what I was doing. You were looking at me crazy. he's not leaving the facility. You're going to work for the Dolphins
17:57Joe Haden:for the next two years. You got to work off that 100, man. You got to do something. I don't care if you just got to show up. Because you're not being there
18:06James Harrison:and me still having to write that check every week is crazy work. But they did it, though. They took it on the chin. Like, look, we made a wrong decision. We're not just going to keep trying to make it better.
18:20Joe Haden:Well, they only did that after they got rid of the coach that made the wrong decision, so. Yeah, yeah. They went on ahead and got rid of everything. Smart move, but I just, yo, 99. I'm cool with the move to get, you know, support for the show comes from Public,
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21:54Joe Haden:last i'm good with that great with the price that was way cheaper than what you know we were thinking like you might get 30 a year you know what i'm saying what is that 24 25 something like 22 something? 22, okay. Yeah, so. 23, all right. 22, 23.
22:11James Harrison:So, yeah. I like the fact that for the team, for the Dolphins, yes, this is a great, great pickup. Under the$30 million mark. It was supposed to be between 20 and 30. You got them like 23, solid. And everybody else, like from what we were looking at, I think Malik is going to be a good quarterback. It's going to be a good chance what he did with Green Bay. So I'm rocking with Miami because they're showing that they still, after they gave out the 100, they still are ready to get – they still are in the mix. They still are, all right, quarterback is the most important position. So if we don't have that, we don't have a chance.
22:46James Harrison:And the new coaches like this, yo can't just, all right, we got rid of – that was all y 'all mistakes. I'll take him, Malik. I like him. This is going to be my guy. Yeah, I think it was – I think that's good.
22:55Joe Haden:Halfley and – Oh, Jeff Halfley. Halfley and Sullivan, they were with him in Green Bay. so you know they actually worked with him he did a lot of the scout stuff i guess so they were there they they seen it they they got comfortable with him you know and like they said he said they have they have good relationships so i mean that was that was automatic and they stayed low pro with it though too they wasn't even up up there loud with it they didn't even say nothing about possibility just letting to it just get out of there with a hundred
23:25James Harrison:they know it's loud it's loud everybody right bro remember signing for a hundred used to be the thing dang that man hit him for a hundred he hit him for
23:41Joe Haden:160 I'm just saying I'm just saying back in the day back in the day it just bro that's that's strong arm robbery bro
23:50James Harrison:bare face no mask No mask.
23:55Joe Haden:No mask. Hello. Raw daylight. I'm from the Lua. Phew. Give me that honey. I'll see y 'all later. Then put his shit back on the left as he jumped in his Lambo. Give me my money and I need it now. Or his wraith and his ghost. That's two different colors.
24:16James Harrison:Ooh. See? At least you got it. At least you got it. That's two different roses. I can't tell the difference. It's hella money to me, Joe. One's a two-door, one's a four-door.
24:28Joe Haden:Oh, you got to have one that's two doors and one that's four. What the hell is the difference, Joe? You know what I'm saying? Oh, one's a wraith, one's a ghost, one's a spirit, one's a host.
24:42James Harrison:Oh, there you see, you know. And the big boy, the Cullinan, you know. You know, D-Boy, you know all about it. You act like you don't know, but you know.
24:52Joe Haden:Bruh, I don't know nothing about it. I'm listening to the chat. The chat telling me everything I need to know. Mm-hmm. That's all. I look at the chat. The chat go tell me what's going on.
25:00James Harrison:The chat know what the coloring in, rose.
25:06Joe Haden:Oh, my goodness, yo. Yeah, yeah. Look here, man. Who else we got? Mike Evans is leaving Tampa Bay, bruh. He signed a three-year deal with San Francisco that could be worth up to$64 million. His agent, though, said this was not about money. He said the Buccaneers were extremely aggressive in their pursuit and presented a very strong offer. In the end, the decision came down to Mike wanting a new challenge and a fresh opportunity while he still feels like he has a great deal left to give the game. Joe, yes. What do you think? Do you think it was the money, or do you think he just was like, yo, that ain't going to be it over here?
25:56James Harrison:Do you think he just – I mean, I think he's been there for a while. He's been there for a while, and he got the right for a change of scenery. When you become free, like if they didn't sign him going into that last year, when you give a player the chance to become free and be able to see their options, be able to look and see what other teams that they can go to and just want to switch it up. Like there's not really too many chances where you can control your own destiny. And then Mike Evans in the end of his career, knowing that he probably get another three year deal. And you can get$20 million a year playing receiver at 30 some years old and trying to go to a team where you feel like gives you the best chance to win.
26:36You might and maybe not that it's not a probably a shot against Tampa, but being an NFL player, you having that right to be able to go wherever you want.
26:45Joe Haden:It has to be a shot because you've been there your whole career. Like, and I think it's just a shot because he's at the point right now, he's going into year, what, 13? Yeah. And I think, you know what, man? He sat back and he's like, man, I'm going to year 13, 32 years old, man. And I, you know, I want to give me a Super Bowl maybe. I thought he already had one though. He didn't win a Super Bowl. When Tom was there? Yeah, he did. All right. So that's why. So that's why right there, brother. I don't. That's why I'm like, maybe he wants another one. I don't know, dude. But I don't think it could be the money because he's saying they gave him a strong offer.
27:35Joe Haden:And you decided to go to San Francisco, California of all places, to Texas and leave Florida? with no taxes? Bruh, it gotta be something way more than just a change of scenery, bruh. Like you have just said, I don't see it being able to be done here, and I want to get back to Chip, and I gotta make this move. Because I'm not going from Florida, no tax, to California. Hey, dude, they taking, if you get all 60.4 they take in 30.2 right now yeah and then they take in an extra 5 or 10 I hear you
28:27James Harrison:I hear you I don't think that man I don't think he was worried about the taxes I think he was worried about trying to get I think he thinks that they he already won the Super Bowl with Tampa so he don't owe them nothing. And just like, I just think it's really just a change of scenery and I think he thinks he can go get one out there.
28:54Joe Haden:Exactly. So that means where I'm at. So you're saying is that a shot at Baker Mayfield or is it a shot at the organization? I think it's a shot at the whole organization. I mean, when you look at it, I would take it as a whole shot at the whole organization as a whole because one person ain't going to win you a championship. Yes. That position is going to help you greatly as long as they're good at it. But you still need offense, defense, specialty. I think he was like, yo, he looked at the whole thing and was like, I don't – I'm not going to California, bro. I might have to just sit there and eat that.
29:26Joe Haden:It depends how strong the – man, I can't. See, Debo, you are thinking about the taxes.
29:33James Harrison:He is thinking about the weather and how there's no – it's not humid out there. He's going to be relaxing and chilling. and you like this. They're taking your money. I know what you're saying. I'm just letting you know. For a lot of dudes I've been talking to, too, they're 49ers in San Fran.
29:49Joe Haden:It's California. It's the weather. Hold up now. Listen, you over there in San Fran next to all that signals and all that other stuff.
29:57James Harrison:Next to the messed up facility that's messing up people's knees.
30:00Joe Haden:Okay. Tearing up ligaments, tendons, all that. Weakening them. Stop, bro. Come on. And you older. like that I ain't making that move bro I'm gonna stay right there
30:15James Harrison:in Florida with that hot ass weather nah I ain't gonna lie if it was you I know where you're staying Mike I'm not mad at him man but look that facility thing that facility thing is crazy yes
30:26Joe Haden:ACL thing with all of that it's a real thing man it's a real thing MF signals that's a real thing I showed you my thing I showed you my meter and all that they need to get all that bread out there
30:36James Harrison:in Sennacon Valley they gotta move that facility away or something. That's crazy.
30:40Joe Haden:No question, man. Get over here to your boy, Kenneth Walker III. Yep. MVP signing over there with the Chiefs. Yo, they spent some bread on him, man. They spent some bread on him, some bread that they ain't spent at that position in a while, man. Why do you think they did that, brother? Because that's what winning
31:08James Harrison:teams and championship teams go to do. They think they need a piece. The offense, too, the running game with Hunt and with Pacheco hasn't been as consistent as it's been in the last probably three, four years. So they need a legit running back. Somebody where Patrick Mahomes back there getting running around, trying to ad-lib all the time. If he could just hand the ball off a couple of times and know, boom, we can steady the pace. We can steady the ship. I can actually do a play action because they're respecting that Kenna Walker can actually take this joint up the field. So I think that the Chiefs are understanding they have, they ended up signing.
31:45James Harrison:Travis back, you know what I'm saying, for the 12, incentives up to 15. So got him back. He's solid. Pat's still there. Then they got them a running back. So I think with the Kansas City Chiefs, they just always knowing like, we got Pat, okay? Okay, we still got Trav. What we need to do is give him a running game. Don't make Pat be Superman every single time because he can do it, but then you start getting hurt, start looking crazy, start running around like, let's protect him. And when he got to do it, you know what I'm saying? He'll have to pull it out, but let's not make him do it all the time.
32:17James Harrison:So just being able to have that running game behind him where he's chilling. Sometimes he just handed it off and 20-yard game. Next thing you know, we're up the field, we're chilling. It's a pace that they can work with now to where he's not just always, man, And it's second and it's third and 12, Pat. You better scramble, make something happen, have to avoid dudes and do all that. So I think it's just good teams trying to help out their team. They know what they need. They know they were lacking in the run game. Pat needs help there. So just trying to help out their team and get them as good as they can.
32:47James Harrison:So with this pick, I like the way they did it because if you're a good team and you know you just need that, go pay them maybe a little bit more and get you what you need. So I think they went and got what they needed. and that's what good teams do.
33:01Joe Haden:Yeah, I'm feeling that they just, what's your boy, I can't say his name right. The P. Pacheco. Pacheco. Pacheco was free, I believe, in 24. I think he missed all of, what, seven games in 24. Then he missed about three or four this year. And I think they was just like, you know what, we need to go with something else. We need to go ahead. And he's free on top of that. I said that before. and 25th ranked rushing game. It was like, yo, we just seen this dude basically carry the whole team over here through these playoffs. He led the team in rushing a couple of times, bro. 25 and young. Young, moving.
33:45Joe Haden:They said, you know what, let's go ahead and give him a three for up to 45. 15 a year when it come down to it.
33:55James Harrison:They had to make a move. He was doing good, too, because he was splitting time with Charbonnet. So, like, that wearing tear is not as crazy.
34:04Joe Haden:Yes, but now, see, he might get all these opportunities.
34:07James Harrison:Oh, now he's not hitting the bell cow. Now it's going to look like it was during the playoffs when Charbonnet got hurt. He got all the totes, and you see he was a Super Bowl MVP. So, he can handle it.
34:18Joe Haden:Oh, yeah. No question. No question about it. Do a threat, too. He can catch the ball a little bit, too, though. Yes. Yes. Oh, he over there with Pat. That's going to be ugly. That's going to be ugly. And that's what's going to be like that. That's going to be pretty ugly. As long as he ain't playing against us, it's going to be pretty. Then it's going to be ugly if we got to chase this man around, though. Yes. That ain't going to be good. Listen, I'm so happy. I am so happy right now for the Raiders. No, I'm actually more happy. I'm happy for both of them. I'm happy for the Raiders and I'm happy for the Ravens.
34:56I'm happy for the Ravens because they lost somebody that they shouldn't have let go. Okay?
35:04Joe Haden:Kyle Lindenbaum, what is it, Lindenbaum? Mm-hmm. Hey, he is going to the Raiders for a historical contract over there. He agreed to a three-year$81 million, brother, includes$60 million in guarantees. and the average value is the most ever for an interior lineman, bro. I'm so happy for you Ratbirds because y 'all shouldn't have got Crosby, but I feel good that you're losing something because when you go and you take something that shouldn't have been yours, you need to lose something. I'm also happy for the Raiders because now they possibly won't be getting their ass well Gino possibly won't be getting his ass to out the frame 64 sack high last year the highest of all the man was running for his life and then when he couldn't run for his life they was just cutting it short right there I think the Raiders at that point they had what was it almost 110 million in cap space number one so they got the bread I think this might have Tom's hand on it.
36:20Joe Haden:He's like, yeah, we got to go out here. We got to get something to protect these boys. They're going to get a quarterback too, though. I think they're going to get a quarterback. I don't know who it is.
36:27James Harrison:Man, I think they get the number one pick in the draft. They're probably going to get my man from Indiana.
36:34Joe Haden:If they get him, I think it's going to have to be Tom's approval.
36:39James Harrison:Man, I think Tom might go get him. I don't know. They got the number one pick. They got a center. They would have somebody to protect them. They got Gentry. They got a nice tight end. They got some picks. They got some bread. I mean, if he likes Geno Smith and he thinks that could be the guy, for sure. But if they had a number one pick and he thinks Mendoza could be the quarterback, then, I mean, we definitely have to have Tom's hand on it.
37:03Joe Haden:You think Mendoza can come in there and do better than Geno right now?
37:07James Harrison:I don't know. I don't know. I'm fine.
37:15That's...
37:16James Harrison:Yes?
37:20You say yes?
37:25James Harrison:Maybe. Why not?
37:32Joe Haden:Dude, what's wrong? We got a bad connection or something because you just doing the stutter shit again. No. So you're telling me this dude will come in here and be better than Gino right now. That's crazy, Joe.
37:50James Harrison:No, he's not. He's not. He's not. But look, you know what you're going to get from Gino. So what you're going to do, you're just going to be.
37:57Joe Haden:I'm going to get him a couple more offensive linemen and then worry about the quarterback position a year later down the road or something. to just, I mean, you might have to get smacked a couple more, you know, a year or more just so you can make sure you get that number one pick. See, that's what I'm saying. You're just putting Gino in there to fail.
38:16James Harrison:Hey, man, I ain't putting him in there to fail.
38:17Joe Haden:Hey, listen, we just gave away$99 million to one person, man. Somebody got to pay for that. Across the league.
38:28James Harrison:At that position. That 99. It might have to be Gino. no no no how much
38:35Joe Haden:what's Gino's deal how much longer Gino with I don't know man he better he better get out of there before it be short you supposed to be the contract man Joe tell me hell hold up
38:50Joe Haden:I want to see I want to see Mandoz I want to see what he do for real man because me too especially like with like if he he going 1-1, 1-1? The Raiders got picks, too. They got two firsts for Crosby. That's one this year, one next year. Mm-hmm.
39:13James Harrison:They're going to be all right. I think Tom Brady might got a long-term plan with this because you're going to go get you a highest-paid center. I don't have a long-term plan, man. Two for$75 million April 2025.
39:30Joe Haden:I'm telling you right now, man, you don't make Tom Brady a minority owner if you ain't using every bit of his intelligence and intel that you can. His hand is in everything. For sure it is. So all you people that want to say, hey, Tom is just a... Nah, man. His hand's in all that. Definitely he's in all of that. and he might be fighting Logan Paul cause he's scared of Le 'Veon Paul is he's scared of Le 'Veon he definitely
40:08James Harrison:Le 'Veon not playing Le 'Veon got information he has all the receipts you know what I'm saying he's ready for war
40:22Joe Haden:he ducking duck duck goose that boy over there playing duck duck goose with no goose just duck duck duck duck duck duck duck duck duck lady on ain't the goose now
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44:23Joe Haden:They spent over a billion dollars in the first 90 minutes. Blam! Yep.
44:29James Harrison:That's what happens, though, D-Bo. they got money teams got money to spend do that 99 count against that billion no I don't think so that contract was already what it was that's just dead that's just dead
44:46Joe Haden:that's just dead
44:51Joe Haden:so I ain't gonna lie to you man if it wasn't
44:57Joe Haden:for my love of the game I could probably take the 160 and be considered be considered trash? Trash. I just listen man I got my daddy name I got my daddy name on my back man that's a good blood on that let me tell you this let me tell you this let me tell you this let me tell you this
45:20James Harrison:let me tell you this after that 160 and everybody was trash all that I don't have to be on the internet I don't have to be You're going dark. I'm going dark. What the fuck? I'm just cool with me and my people. Like, whoever's my homies that got my direct information, we're kicking it. And guess what? We're having a ball doing it. Mump all the other people tell me I'm sorry. Yo. Get out of here. I'll buy you a drink. Get out of here, kid. You got me messed up. If I'm two of you, I don't care what these people think. Who are you? Are you going to keep my lights on? Are you going to pay Debo's Wi-Fi?
45:55James Harrison:No, you're not. So go home, Roger. That's what I tell. All of them bums. Straight up. Go home, Roger. Oh, man, man. Straight up, Deebo. Don't let all them people, man, listen. Y 'all is not my head.
46:12Joe Haden:Listen, I don't know what it is.
46:13James Harrison:Y 'all is not my lord. I don't know what it is, Joe.
46:16Joe Haden:I want to say it's pride, but it's not pride. I think it's responsibility. I mean, man, you know, you get paid to do something. You should do what it is that you get paid to do. Yes. Like, you know, and give them the service that you were supposed to be provided. But, I mean. What if they take your ball and tell you to go home for$100? Then what do you do? I can't let you take my ball. I shouldn't have been in that position to get my ball took, Joe. How the hell I get in that position? It's not your choice. It's not your choice.
46:54James Harrison:It's their ball. It's their ball. They taking your ball and sending you off.
47:01Joe Haden:Joe, I did that, though. You can – I can't live with that, Joe. I can't live with Joe.
47:07James Harrison:I don't know if I can live with that, Joe. See, that's why I'm like – I'm going to just do it. Well, if they did that to Tua, he's doing exactly what he has. He's going to go to the team that he –
47:17Joe Haden:But he ain't ducking off in the cut and hiding. He ain't ashamed of this. He going to sign with Atlanta. Bro, okay. Hey, man, Joe, you know what time? Man, it's almost 1230-something, man. You know what time it is, Joe? Time for Player Fade presented by Prosper. Go.
47:46Joe Haden:All right, Joe, man. Look here, man. You done cooked up a lineup for us again right here, man. I'm going to go ahead and I'm either going to play with you out there or I'm going to fade it. What you got here, Joey? Tell me why you got it and I'm going to tell you what I'm going to do with it.
48:00James Harrison:Okay. Houston versus Toronto. I'm going with, this is just Amon Thompson, bowler, over 19 and a half, along with Kevin Durant, over 19 and a half. These two right here are just easy money. Okay? Easy money. You know what that Red Devil mean? Huh? You know what that Red Devil mean? That means it's not supposed to be easy money. That means it's supposed to be a little bit harder, but I'm expecting him to get a bucket. I'm not putting it there for no reason. This is all researched. Okay, let's go. Victor and Mayana. With Mayana. Two assists. Because they beat... Every time out... There's too much traffic.
48:40James Harrison:He's 7 '6 with good vision. He's going to dime off at least two tray ball kickoffs. Okay? Points, obviously, 23.5. He's standing next to the rim. Balls standing too little. For sure. Bron James. They're playing against the Temple Wolves. I hope they win, but Bron over four and a half assists, obvious. Bron's a passer. He's a slasher. He's a dimer. Luka scored 40-something the other day, and now he's going to have he's going to have Anthony Edwards in there that he's going against and Anthony Edwards going to go try to drop 30 some so Luka's not going to let him out-duel him Luka going to at least drop a 30 ball so I'm liking all of these to hit for the exact reasons I said
49:28Joe Haden:I ain't going to lie to you Joe the only one I'm tripping on man who are you tripping on? you tripping on the first one you tripping on the amen you tripping on the amen
49:38James Harrison:you know what Joe man you got every right You got to be right in the trip a little bit on that one. That was the most gangster one I pulled off.
49:46Joe Haden:Joe, I'm going to go with you, Joe. I'm going to play. I'm going to play. I'm going to play with my homeboy because that's what I do. That's what I do. My guy says it's going to happen. I'm going to believe and trust in him that it's going to happen, okay? So make sure y 'all download the app today and use the code DEBOJO to get$50 in lineups after you play your first$5 line. That code DEBOJO, what we got over here in the Super Bowl. Oh, Lord. Jiminy Christmas. They was chatting up. Woo! You see the super chat? Okay. Woo!
50:19James Harrison:What a super...
50:22Joe Haden:Oh, my goodness. Go ahead, D-Bow. Hey! Hey, she talking about butter. Covenant life. Let's just say 300 hours. Come on, Covenant Life. Covenant Life.
50:43James Harrison:Covenant Life got it. See, that's what we sent to them. That's why Covenant Life gets the jerseys. Covenant Life gets what she needs because she is loyal to Depot and Joe.
50:55Joe Haden:I love you, Covenant Life. Hey, listen. How you said it? That's my ace boom coon. That's my ace boom coon. Let's go. I'm going to go ahead. Hey, Covenant Life said butter was crying with likely going. Likely? She was crying about likely? Likely to tight end. He going. She said Atlanta's pissed with Tua. I'm in GA and they're going to burn down the stadium. With Stefanski and Tua, they're pissed. The only thing they have going for them is that Julio signed for one day to retire.
51:42Joe Haden:We are killing the rat birds. If Tua sneezed, he is in concussion. Yo, you so wrong.
51:52James Harrison:Covenant just be throwing out.
51:54Joe Haden:Hey man, we need to get in butter. Like yo man, I ain't seen butter in a minute, man. I really ain't want to go and look and be honest with you just to see because I know he was over there talking to Goofy when they went and got, you know, when they got But as a matter of fact, I'm going to ask you. I'm going to go ahead and get in this DM because they did lose the best offensive lineman. And now, what are you going to do? Hey, brother, what you going to do now? Y 'all done lost your best offensive lineman. They lost the center.
52:25James Harrison:They lost their likely. They lost the tight end. And they lost their punter.
52:31Joe Haden:Yes, yes. Hey. Look here. Look here. And y 'all still ain't apologized, Ravens, old coordinator. You still haven't apologized to Lamar Jackson for you. You say he got apologized to that man. Saying something that was not at him, but it was certainly directed in his direction. You need to apologize. $74 million right now? If I'm him, I want an upfront apology. I want it in person. And I wrote on a letterhead, Lamar, don't let him treat you as if you're a second-class citizen. You're Lamar Jackson MVP multiple times. You trying to get him pissed? Yes.
53:23James Harrison:Miss.
53:27James Harrison:I'm like, man, DuBois, you ain't that serious. But you know what? For them, man, Lamar, do not let this slide.
53:33Joe Haden:Do not let this slide. I need everything to crash and burn over there. Look here, man. Covenant Light back again. She said, y 'all let me have some bail. What? Oh. Let me have some bail. It's on the chat. That's the nickname? I thought you were saying Covenant Light. Listen, I don't know what you were saying right there. I almost felt like I read something bad. I thought you said I want something bad. I'm like, whoa. Hold up. Hold up, man. Hold up, Cody. Bell was in the chat. That's for sure. It PG. She said, yay. It's that PG. She said, y 'all know I have a name for everyone and that's what I would call him.
54:23Joe Haden:We miss Bell. Yes, we miss you, Bell. Yes, for sure. For sure. I thought I said something wrong. I was like, damn, people, I kept talking to you. Because you kept reading. I didn't know what happened there. Let me have some. Let me have some bells in my chest. Okay. All right. At least the hearts is black and gold. If there was red, I might have gotten nervous. I don't know. I was nervous when I said it because I had to stop myself. I was like, yo, am I saying this or is they saying it? I felt kind of weird saying it myself. I just ain't know. I ain't know. Cognitive Life again,$2.
55:00James Harrison:Thank you. You see that? Liam9087. Liam9087. What up, Debo and Joe? What are your thoughts on double mug formations? I think we should be more aggressive to keep offenses from double and triple teaming TJ and Arvis passing situations.
55:21Joe Haden:How in the hell do you think we're going to stop someone from double and triple teaming someone, son? And I'm telling you this, darling.
55:27James Harrison:I hope they double and triple team him because then that's one-on-ones or somebody's open. And if we getting three on TJ, then Highsmith has to.
55:37Joe Haden:Hey, you said darling. Huh?
55:41James Harrison:That's Liam. Oh, that's Liam. Oh, my bad. Brother.
55:47Joe Haden:That's why I said, son, how do you think we go stop them from doubling triple teaming somebody? We can't. What we do is make sure somebody else gets the job done because if we taking up two and three here, that means another man got to whoop a man. Every man whoop a man. And what else, Joe?
56:05James Harrison:And every good man whoop two.
56:07Joe Haden:Okay. You can't stop nobody from doubling nobody.
56:11James Harrison:Talking about the double mug looks, like when you put the linebackers up on the line, I'm like, but then they could make it look like zero.
56:20Joe Haden:You know what I'm saying, D-Bo? We're not built for double mug looks because of what they done did with the inside linebackers and where they got to get in coverage. We're not built for it. We used to be able to do that. Not no more. Why, Joe? I don't know, Debo. Why? Yeah, exactly, man.
56:44Joe Haden:What is that? Jonathan Holster, 7-1-0-1-5. Yo, Le 'Veon is Billy H.O. Tendoro. What the foe? You used to play Marvels with. All right. We'll let him know. I don't know what that is. You played Marvels? You mean Marvels or Marvels? What is Marvels? Do you know what Marvel's is? Are we talking about the action?
57:23James Harrison:Are we talking about Marvel's Iron Man?
57:27Joe Haden:Bruh, wasn't no Iron Man back then?
57:31James Harrison:I'm saying Marvel's, though. That's a Marvel's character.
57:35Joe Haden:You sure it ain't Marvel's? Marvel's. I don't know. I don't even know how to play Marvel's, but I know it's a Marvel's game. I ain't know it was to play Marvel's. Play with? I hate when y 'all do this to me in the chat, man.
57:49James Harrison:Uh-huh. Got your ass looking like you don't know what's going on.
57:54Joe Haden:Company Life had$2 to thank you for our guest. Can we get Troy? We could get Troy.
58:06Joe Haden:But we'll let you know when that happens. We could definitely get Troy. We just don't know when that would be. Maybe when something for a good time. like we got to pick the right time. I don't know. Maybe if Logan Paul probably would call Troy out to fight him quick.
58:25James Harrison:I don't know. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I, that's how Troy be off the, off the map. Missing. Chilling. That's what I would do. Then they give me that 160. Off the map, D-Bo. Hey. For me and my friends. I'm not, Joe, I can't, How can you live like that? No, I'm going to still be out. I'll still be out, but I just want to be online. Like, that online out. Okay, now you out somewhere, right? And they see you. Yeah. And they start talking crazy to you. And that's the crazy part, though. A lot of people, they're not going to... The only way they're going to talk crazy is over the internet.
59:12James Harrison:When they see you in person... No, they know you got 99.
59:16Joe Haden:I'm going to talk crazy to you in person. I hope you hit me.
59:19James Harrison:Oh, see, no. See? No, you're one of them.
59:27Joe Haden:Bruh, listen. I'm going to get the bag, Joe. If I can't get it legit, I'm going to go ahead and get hit.
59:38Joe Haden:That's a fact. I'm with that, Debo. I'm with that. Okay, okay. Bruh, if I can't get it legit, I'm going to go ahead and get hit. Man, we done went over, over, brother, man. Hey, guys, we want to thank you for joining us on this episode of D-Boy and Joe. Yes, sir. Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download the podcast. We'll be right back here on Friday. Joe? Yo. See y 'all on Friday.
1:00:03James Harrison:Same time, same place. Let's get it.
1:00:06Joe Haden:Yeah.
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