Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Mike Tomlin Breaks Silence + Rams Draft Ty Simpson

27 Apr 2026 · 43 min · 15 chapters

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In short

Debo & Joe discuss NFL news and debates around the Rams drafting Ty Simpson at pick 13, plus reactions to Steelers head-coach Mike Tomlin’s resignation “breaks silence,” and broader quarterback talk (Aaron Rodgers/Steelers, Will Howard vs Drew, Kenny Pickett).

Guests/backgrounds

The episode is hosted by “Deebo” and “Joe” (no external guests appear in the transcript). They speak as long-time football fans and former NFL players/insiders in their banter (e.g., Deebo references being drafted by the Browns and later meeting Mike Tomlin).

Key claims

  1. McVay’s visible frustration suggests the Rams should’ve waited to draft a QB/impact player later, since Stafford is expected to remain for 2–3 years.
  2. Ty Simpson’s value is framed as “betting on himself” with a long-term contract outlook.
  3. Tomlin’s resignation is portrayed as honest and timely, citing playoff struggles and leadership loneliness.
  4. Rodgers is predicted to return to the Steelers if the team keeps the door open.

Notable examples

  • Contract math for pick 13 (discussion of ~$25M over four years, signing bonus timing, and possible fifth-year option).
  • Steelers QB speculation: “if you had a gun to my head” Tomlin says Aaron Rodgers.
  • Draft moment critique: Kenny Pickett’s “fake slide” is called out as risky.

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Drafting Ty Simpson: Controversy and Expectations

3:21 to 4:48

Discussion on the Rams drafting Ty Simpson and the implications for Stafford.

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Stafford's Future and Draft Strategy

4:48 to 6:52

Exploring the potential long-term plans for the Rams and Stafford's role.

“you look at the quarterback draft, okay?”

Debating Contracts: Ty Simpson's Choices

6:52 to 10:06

Analyzing Ty Simpson's draft position compared to signing bonuses and guarantees.

“I was talking about that boy should have took that six and a half.”

Long-Term Outlook for Ty Simpson

10:06 to 14:00

Discussion on the potential career trajectory and impact of Ty Simpson.

“without injury, I still feel going back is better.”

Sean McVay's Frustration and Draft Decisions

14:00 to 16:40

Discussion about Sean McVay's frustrations with draft choices and the implications for the Rams.

“Like, you don't think you could have picked somebody else up that could have put you over that hump to get to that Super Bowl and not be sitting behind Seattle?”

Coach T's Leadership and Future

21:00 to 28:00

In-depth discussion about Coach T's leadership, his decision to step down, and the future of the Steelers.

“I'm listening to whatever high school it is.”

Quarterback Dynamics in the Locker Room

28:00 to 29:00

Discussion on the importance of evaluating young quarterbacks versus relying on veterans.

“But then it's still like, okay, if that's fine with y 'all, and like all the noise – noise is noise.”

Kenny Pickett's Unique Playstyle

29:00 to 30:00

Analyzing Kenny Pickett's playing style and its implications for defensive strategies.

“You got to let the young boys play to see what you got or you'll never know.”

Drafting Undrafted Players: A Long-Term Perspective

30:00 to 31:20

Exploring the potential of undrafted players and the unpredictability of the draft.

“I'm like, coach, safety protocol, quarterback.”

The Challenge of Staying in the NFL

31:20 to 32:40

Insights on the difficulty of maintaining a position in the NFL as player performance evolves.

“Because that league, once it comes to you, everybody gets there.”
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Experiences and Anecdotes from the Field

32:40 to 35:40

Humorous stories about interactions with fans and experiences during games.

“But it didn't look like nobody tried to.”

Hall of Fame Inductions: A Controversial Topic

42:00 to 43:30

Explore the frustrations surrounding Hall of Fame inductions and the criteria used.

“Ball snapped right over my dog, Ben's head, first play of the game.”

Draft Day Reflections and Quarterback Analysis

43:30 to 46:00

Revisit the chaotic moments from the draft and evaluate quarterback prospects.

“We made the haul not what we wanted it to be.”

Engaging with Fans and Rivalries

46:00 to 50:40

Join the hosts as they interact with fans and discuss team rivalries.

“I'm going to go with Will just because he sat behind A-Rod for the year.”

Upcoming Plans and Personal Stories

50:40 to 52:40

Listen in on the hosts' plans for training camp and share personal experiences.

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3:36James Harrison:Can I tell you, can I say something funny though? Just off the top of, did you see the draft? when they drafted Ty Simpson to the Rams and how McVay was not happy with it? Listen, bro. Listen. They can say what they want to on that one, brother. I don't know. How do you... I don't... I don't understand that one unless they thinking like... How long do you think Stafford got left? I think that's the thing. I think it's the... I feel like it's more like the Bill Belichick, Tom Brady thing, where if you start, if you bring in the, but this one, I think the coach is believing in Matthew Stafford. I'm not bringing in, I think we got a team where at this 13th pick, you need to bring somebody else that can help us just get over the top.

4:27James Harrison:Not nobody's going to be sitting behind my Hall of Fame quarterback that I love that I'm trying to go win some Super Bowls with. You know what I'm saying? I feel like that's where the GM, bump what you're talking about. I'm going to think for the long term that he might not be here too much longer. And Sean McVay's like this, you idiot. Like, no. My thing is, I think it's more of a, you look at it, you look at the quarterback draft, okay? Yes. Not a strong quarterback draft, right? No. You know you're going to have Stafford for at least, what, two, maybe three more? I think two. Minimum? At least minimum, minimum.

5:01Okay. So why not wait until next year or the year after to go grab something in the first round versus it being this. I think that might be why he was more looking like what y 'all done did.

5:14James Harrison:It's the position and who it is. It's the position and the time that you got it with who it is. It's not like you were going through a strong quarterback draft year. everybody out there who has any type of well any analyst right now most of them i would say were like yo shador was better than everybody in this draft but yet he went five he went fifth round at this and this is what you do in the weakest draft that they're saying they've had since who knows when is you go and get him as a yeah at 13 no i i think i think i feel like it's both like it's i it's quarterback it's at 13 it's i don't think he's that good and we could have got him later help us out we got our franchise quarterback still here for the next couple of years and i i just think because mcveigh he got so much passion it's so much like he's he's he He doesn't hide his emotions.

6:20James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? He couldn't. He ain't pull it in fast enough. But he tried to back it up after, though. He couldn't. And Buddy said, my man. That wasn't the reaction. It was. Ty got on the phone with him and hit him with the, he was like, yeah, coach, let's go do something great. He was like, man, you know what I'm saying? Enjoy your night. I said, God dang it. Let's go make history. Yeah, okay. Yeah, whatever. He was like, yeah, man. What we go do? You go be great sitting here watching him for the next two, three years? You go sit and watch good old Stafford. And I know I could have grabbed something that would have been better next year.

6:51James Harrison:Yeah, that was wicked, bro. I just... He couldn't hide it. Hey. Hey. What's good, brother? Hey. I was talking about that boy should have took that six and a half. He just won. He just won. Just won. Deebo. He just won. It only takes one. Hey. But he won for now. He won for now. No question. He definitely won for now. But if he's sitting behind Stafford for the next three, four years, he might have wanted to take that six and go back in there and come back out. So he could have probably tried to go one. But no, I don't know. I don't know with Ty. I don't think he would have did it. I'm still going to take the six.

7:35James Harrison:You still taking the six? I'm still taking the six and a half. He bet on himself and won, man. Did he? Yes. Did he? Brother. Long haul, we going to see if he really won. Look, Steph, you're still sitting there after three, four years. What are you going to get on that next contract? I'm going to tell you. We're going to figure that out. Because it was in between. The highest player, number one player, is going to get like$52 million, and the lowest player is going to get$13 million. So in between there, he might have just been at – he might be around the 20, 22 area. What's the 13th pick getting right now?

8:16Y 'all, chat, tell us what the 13th pick get right now.

8:18James Harrison:Yes, please. Something like that, because number one was 52, and number 32 was like 13. Man, ask chat. Chat will tell you. Chat GPT will tell you something. And you got the true protocol set up, though? Because you know it'll lie to you if you don't. No, they will. They will.

8:45Let's cut it in half. 24?

8:48James Harrison:That's what I'm saying. 25? Maybe 20? Yeah. Guaranteed? 25. What is that? That's four years though, right? Yeah. That's about the same thing. We're the fifth year option though. It's about six and a half with a fifth year option. And that fifth year option, it could be like 20, 20, like, like, like my man, um, our lineman. Uh, what's my man is Broderick. Really? Yeah, that fifth year option. So the fifth year is not counted into the guarantee, right? The fifth year is not counted. No, it's not counted into this. Okay, so he got four years. He got four years,$25 million fully guaranteed. $24 million,$24 million, something like that.

9:24James Harrison:Yeah, so that's six a year. That's six a year for the next four years, though, fully guaranteed. So every year, no matter what, though, he got four years of, if I get hurt. Give me that six and a half, and I come back at the one. Okay, but then he going. Man, we speak in Debo, now I think you're looking at it a little bit more differently though I am, but I'm still I'm still I'm still going back with 6.5 He's hitting that 6 million right now though regardless of balling or not and then if he gets in the game, ends up starting to ball, he has that 50 option, they can either pick it up or let it go The likelihood of what's going to happen right now without injury without injury, I still feel going back is better.

10:15Don't forget that he and Cali too. So that 24 just turned to 12.

10:23James Harrison:Yeah. If I'm him, I'm still, I'm gone. Hey, he in Florida. That's six and a half. Still what it is. Hold on. He was in Bama? They wanted him to go to Miami. Oh, go to Miami 4. Okay. Yeah. All right. I'm not going to say you nickel and diamond, but I'm saying at the end of it. Throw that up there for us, that rookie pace gallery. 13, they got him at 25-4. Gee. Year one is four. Uh-uh. 14.9. 14.9 signing bones. I understand. It's guaranteed. But year one is only four. Okay. Five. Six. He'd have got six. But it's 14.9 signing bonus. You got to think about that. That's he getting that. That signing bonus is in the first year.

11:13James Harrison:Yeah. Yeah, that's going to be that bonk. He's going to be sitting there looking nice, smooth at that 14.9. He got that. Oh, yeah. Come get this 14.9 signing bonus. Boom. Then you're like, okay. Now that's how they say that. The deal was four years, 25. But that 14.9, now he's going to be doing the rest of the deal is three for 10. That next three years, he's going to get probably three and a half, 3.3. For the rest of the deals, he get 14.9 the first one. Then opening up to the last year of picking up his fifth-year option could be 20. So his whole deal could be five years. His rookie junker ended up being five years for$45 million.

12:01James Harrison:I mean, I'm still You still not doing nothing You would have rolled out though Come to the league First rookie season Back up or nah 14-9 14-9 Back up or nah I was thinking even if he didn't go If he went to the That guaranteed over those years is just, I mean, the quicker you can get, I mean, not the quicker you can get to the league. So you're telling me he got a better chance of starting in LA than he do in Miami? It doesn't matter if he's going to be starting or not. I think if he goes back to college and gets six and a half million, right now he just went to the Los Angeles Rams. He's going to be behind them.

12:50James Harrison:That's a best case scenario too, because that's a fire team. Say now if they do leave, and Matthew Stafford does leave in the next two years, you do what you got to do. You looking like Malik Hooker. Now instantly you play 14, 12 games. They like this. Oh, he could be a franchise quarterback. Let's see what's up. And then you hit the market or they pick you up. And now the numbers are going up in the next three, four years. He'd be sitting at 35 a year chilling as a prove-it deal. Because the franchise do. By this time, 70 mil a year. The money's not doing nothing but going up. It's 60 right now.

13:21James Harrison:It's just time. So just let him play, be there while you're making your$6 million a year, figuring it out, trying to get right on the league. If you're playing cool, then hopefully you're going to ball, but you're on the radar. I mean, you're behind Matthew Stafford. I'm chilling. I'm trying to figure it out until my time comes. Ball, another bag.

13:46That's wild. Listen, when you pick something up in that first round, that's usually something that's supposed to help you right now.

13:55James Harrison:A thousand percent. Not two, three, maybe four years down the road.

14:03Uh-huh. Like, you don't think you could have picked somebody else up that could have put you over that hump to get to that Super Bowl and not be sitting behind Seattle?

14:13James Harrison:I'm Sean McVay. I'm pissed. I'm trying to hopefully be getting Who the GM over there? The dude that was standing next to him that said it I forgot his name He was not happy with him Les Snead He was sitting there staring at Les Snead When he said it and was not happy But I'm looking at it That's where I'm looking at it like end of the day I think Les Snead is awesome Hey man look for Gil He'd have cut his throat He'd have cut his throat He'd look pissed brother and they trying to talk about oh hold up before we even leave it what about the remember when we was talking about how the Steelers was on the phone with your boy with the receiver do you think that was Jimmy Redd do you think we actually that pick got stole that pick got stole everything

15:12that happened on that was supposed to happen. If we'd have been on the phone with somebody, I mean, my man went up there, I don't know what he was doing, I don't know if he was hitting the Steve, he wonder what. I'm like, what's going on? You know what I'm saying? I didn't know what was going on. I was like, oh yeah, this was meant to be. That brother there, cool. Go ahead, Philly, y 'all got that. Take that. That brother there, cool. Like, you started looking up, like, his whole thing, like... He was vibed up. they said they ain't even him they ain't even know what was going on they said this man clean cut real well smoking like in high school at least I don't know what happened since he got to college

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20:15James Harrison:I'm telling you, that's what he, yes, That's what he was going for. I didn't, I mean, I don't know. That's what he was going for. I'm telling you. I think we might have had to answer some questions if he did that coming in with an interview right there in Pittsburgh. We'd have to answer some questions. Okay. You glad that everything worked out for the way it did, though? No question. Yes. No question. There's no mistakes. Everything happens for a reason, for sure. Everything happens for a reason. Ended up getting who you wanted in the second round, the receiver. ended up getting who we needed.

20:48James Harrison:Okay. You understand? Okay. We needed exactly what we got. All right. Just checking. Just make a show. No question. And from what my man Lil' Woldy told me, we got a dog over there. We got a puppy that like to bite. I'm listening to whatever. We got a puppy that like to bite. I'm listening to whatever high school it is. Full grown. Rabbit dog. still. I believe. I believe that man going to Bama. So, I'm always going to get him the first benefit of the doubt. Listen, man, the Eagles could have y 'all what they got over there, man. But, peep game, baby. Athletic. New York Times. We got this right here.

21:39Oh, Coach T. Coach T breaks silence, explains factors that went into Stiller's resignation. He said, it was probably not an overnight decision, but it's probably not something I could articulate or share with people. There is a loneliness with leadership. I just thought it was a good time for me personally. and what I mean by that is just where I am in life and I thought it would be a good time for the organization to be quite honest with you we didn't have a lot of success in the playoffs in recent years there's just some veteran players there that were worthy of excitement and the optimism associated with new leadership.

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22:37What do you think of that statement, Joe?

22:42James Harrison:I think it was honest. I think that Coach T's decision to step in the way, I think it was his time. I think he didn't want to be able to bring anybody else into it. I think he was a good coach and would stay singly focused. So when I talked to some of the dudes, I don't think nobody on the team expected it to happen. because when you're in the season, if your coach is a great coach, there's no sideline things that you're really talking to. You're always trying to keep it on next game or the meeting is, what can we do better to get our team to this next level? So there's really no time. Even when you're playing NFL, period, there's no time to really sit and talk about winning the championships, winning the Super Bowls, because you're trying to get to the next Super Bowl.

23:25James Harrison:When you don't win a Super Bowl, your next job, obviously, next season is to get to the Super Bowl. so there's no real off season there's no real time to reflect and I think being a good coach or a great coach like the ones their time away from the game I mean their time away from their families and stuff like that is a lot more than you would expect so I'm rocking with coach T uh and yeah it just is what it is I think his decision to step away was on him I think it was time like he said the not winning the playoff games and you want to be wanted like when you went We went to that game and he was getting booed, fired.

23:59James Harrison:That thing doesn't really feel as good when you don't have the success and you're trying and you feel like I'm not wanted in my home type stuff. And you did 16 years. It is a long time. You haven't been able to step away or be able to do anything else. He did 19. 19 years. You know what I'm saying? So not being able to step away. And that's head coach. Not minding when he was in Tampa doing assistant coaching, doing all of the levels that you got to take to get to the head coaching job. So I'm rocking with Coach T, being able to step away, being able to do kind of what he wants, going to TV now.

24:30James Harrison:I think he's going to be great at it just from his perspective, the way that he's articulate, the way he can talk. I loved him in the team meetings, just listening to him talk, listening to the way he broke down the game. So it's all good. Yeah. Yeah, I think – I mean, it is what it is. He said what it was, and, you know, that's what it is. especially you know with him just saying you know what it felt like it was time as I said before like they weren't going to get rid of him he was going to be able to walk away when it was time for him to say he was finished and that's you know that's what he got

25:11but they asked him to predict who would be the Steelers quarterback this season and he said man And if you had a gun to my head, I'd say it's Ann Rogers. You know, been around him for 12 months. I was around him. He's got a life. He got a love affair with the game. Not only the game, but the process. The informative moments, the development of the young guys, the connections with teammates. I think he's got an addiction to that. And there's only one way to feed it. certainly he is still capable and in really good shape. So I think at the end of the day, he'll play football.

25:56James Harrison:What do you think, Joe? I think Coach T is saying basically at the end of the day, if he's saying he's going to play football, that it's on his own time. But I think he's saying he's going to come back. He doesn't know if but when. So, like, there's no – Aaron Rodgers is a grown man that could do whatever he wants, and I think that it's going to be a point where it happens to the other players where you just don't get that phone call. I think he's good enough or still feels, you know what I'm saying, that he's good enough that teams are still going to need him and have to take A-Rod in no matter what.

26:35James Harrison:When he comes in and tells them, you know what, I'm ready to come back and play. When you see things like when Rivers ends up coming back off the couch midway through the year, you know what I'm saying, there's always that quarterback position. When you're that talented and you're that good, the phone will still get picked up more than Will for an offensive tackle, a defensive end, a cornerback, a wide receiver. No, he said the Brown. I mean, he said the Steelers. Sorry. He just said the Steelers. What do you mean? They asked him, who do you think will be the Steelers quarterback this season? And he said A-Rod.

27:05It's Aaron. He said it's Aaron.

27:08James Harrison:Aaron ain't going nowhere else, bro. No, I'm just still saying, though, A-Rod, if. it's going to take for now, if it's only the Steelers, it's going to take for the Steelers to have to move on from A-Rod, then A-Rod be able to still make the decision if he wants to come back or not. Do you know what I'm saying? I understand what you're saying. So as long as the Steelers are saying, yo, we're still open, he has a chance to come back because it's still an opportunity. If the Steelers say, you know, we done moved on, we got what we got, we like what we like, then, yeah, the opportunity leaves. The opportunity leaves.

27:42James Harrison:But I think that's where I look at the Steelers. Do I look at the lead? Like, not leadership, but the direction. Is it that we still – is it because just knowing comfortability with A-Rod, knowing that you still – I think that's what it is. It's Coach McCarthy, da-da-da. But then it's still like, okay, if that's fine with y 'all, and like all the noise – noise is noise. If you're in the locker room and you got Will Howard, you just brought in – you got Will Howard. Who else did we get in there? You got Drew. Drew. Yeah, Drew. Drew. And Mason. Mason Rudolph. If you got Drew, and I say Mason because you know we got a Mason.

28:25James Harrison:When you got Drew, and if you think Will are the guys being able to move forward and knowing A-Rod is still there in the back burner, I'm just to the mindset, move on. You know? Like, it doesn't, it's not going to help anybody out. But having a vet quarterback, I think for them, it's just a, it's like a safety blanket. Instead of being able to cut the string loop, cut the umbilical cord off, we're moving forward. If we don't have a quarterback in this, Drew or Will, that was because Will was the fifth round quarterback. He sat behind A-Rod already. It's more like the Brown situation. You got to let the young boys play to see what you got or you'll never know.

29:06James Harrison:You'll always be sitting in turmoil. You'll always be sitting there like, ah, did we pick the right guy? Kenny Pickett. You got him out there. You saw him to play. Ah. That was crazy. Kenny Pickett was crazy. That first round, that was crazy. That was wild. Kenny Pickett. You got to get your time. Put him out there. You got to see if he can play or not. So you're going to just have him. It doesn't first round pick. I mean, just to pick it the first round was crazy to me. For sure. I'm with you. Yeah. That was wild to me. I didn't understand that one, but. You know why I didn't like that pick? I'm going to tell you.

29:42Like, it was when he did the fake slide and kept going. I thought that shit was cool.

29:47James Harrison:Because me as a defender, you want to do the fake slide? Yeah. That's like I'm about to run out of bounds. And now for safety, I'm not going to take you out of your tiptoe. You're right. Yeah. You making me look weak. Now your coach, like, what you doing? I'm like, coach, safety protocol, quarterback. I'm trying to protect the quarterback. and he hit me with the okey-doke. And now if you go and you fire off on him, though, you done got kicked out the game. Coach looking at you like, he was sliding. You saw he was sliding. No. I ain't gonna lie. I ain't like that at all, bro. I was like, we picked this guy up, bro.

30:21I was like, this guy.

30:22James Harrison:I look this crazy. That fake slide that threw you off my dog, Kenny. I can respect it. Yeah. Yeah, bro. But you gotta to fill out the roster with all the undrafted guys. We're going to see what we got in there, you know, because they seem to do a good job, you know, sometimes picking up gems out of that undrafted area down there. You know how it goes, though, with the draft too, Debo? It all looks good. It doesn't. Some people's draft don't look good, but we're going to see after. You got to give it a year. You got to at least give it a year. Let's see if some of those six-round picks, they ended up playing the fifth-round picks.

31:08James Harrison:Who ends up playing? Who ends up starting? Like, it sounds good. Oh, yeah, we got these people. And the no-round picks, you know? Is he getting me to sleep? Yeah, with the no-round picks. It doesn't matter. Is it do good or not? Because that league, once it comes to you, everybody gets there. We're on the same team. Now, how you going, Paul? Hey, listen, man. It ain't about, you know, how you get there. No. You know what I'm saying? No. Matter of fact, that's what I get trying to tell people. The easy part, the easy part is getting there. That's the easy part. A lot of people get there, dude. Every year, it's 100 motherfuckers on our roster.

31:48And it only ends with 53 of them being on there. It's easy to get there. The hard part is staying. That's the hard part. Yeah. Each year, it gets harder to stay. For sure. You getting older. Getting older. Now they're going to say you're getting slower, you're getting weaker. You can't see like Joe. You know, Joe's losing vision. That's why he loses his glasses. You know, things like that. Joe legally blind. Joe legally blind, you know. Oh, man. Joe can't keep his focus. He gets distracted and it goes straying off and I got to go looking for him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like that. Hey, Joe. What's up, Coach?

32:31How many marker stripes did you end up with at the end of the day?

32:36James Harrison:I told you. That was the craziest part, bro. I didn't think you were serious. I had my fresh suit. Brand new suit. I had about a good seven individual. But it didn't look like nobody tried to. They didn't try. It was just exciting trying to get to you. It was just a permanent marker just went up against me. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Boom, boom, boom. just all over my suit, all over my back of my suit, D-Boy. I had seven mean, like, squiggly lines on it. It's all good. It's all good. It was for the love of the gang. Hey, they usually use black sharpies. That's why I wear all black. I had the black sharpie.

33:15James Harrison:I had the blue sharpie. I had a little bit of orange on my suit. I said, God, dang it. You deserve that orange, though, because it goes with that color, you know what I'm saying? You deserve that. Yep. Yeah, I hope it didn't come out. I hope the orange didn't come out. I hope so. I just got home. You can just keep that as your brown suit. I'm going to try to dry clean it. And hopefully I can get it back. It's over with. Hey, listen. I'm still going to rock it. You know you don't wear that suit number one time. No way. I just got it, man. You don't wear those suits number one time. That's it. Man, the suits, you know what I'm saying?

33:54James Harrison:I got a couple. No, the suits, I'm good with the accessories. But the suits, you know what I'm saying? I might bang that suit, you know what I'm saying? Every once in a while, here or there. Just put a different flavor to it. You wouldn't even know it's the same suit. Hey, hey, hey, man, just go ahead and put the suit up, man. This your game day suit. You know what I'm saying? Give it away, auction it off with charity. My draft day suit with my brown. I had the browns hat. Then I got my Steelers hat. Cam gave me the Steelers hat, too. Then you almost got, you know what I'm saying? You almost got jumped in the crowd trying to put the browns hat on at the end.

34:26You know what I'm saying? I had to say, you know.

34:27James Harrison:Man, old lady, flick my hat off my head. That was... Bruh. Everybody else was non-violent, non-violent. I got to tell you something. Old girl, now, flick my hat off my head. It's so funny, bruh. But I'll tell you later. We got to get to the chat. We got to get to the chat. Get to the chat, coach. We got Devin3165. Says, DeboHOF92. You can't take those Browns jabs. by Joe, once you put on black and yellow, that brown and orange got to go in the trash can, Joe. Deion are drafted to the Cleveland Browns in 2000. Because they sucked. I don't give a damn. I got drafted there. They made my NFL dream a reality.

35:22James Harrison:In the first round, I got to walk across. So for me, for the Browns, I will never not have a spot in my heart where they change my life. So then I went to the Steelers, because the Browns, you know what I'm saying? Business is business. Steelers love them. They came and drafted me, brought me in. Roonies, Mike T. I met my good man Debo. We got the Debo and Joe show. So I'm rocking with Pittsburgh. They show me so much love. And this is how you want to step out here? No. With all this Brown stuff on? This is what I try to say. I'm going, Joe, and you want to come in here with all this orange on and disrespect me?

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39:17James Harrison:Still is gear, because you know... You want to come in here with your two good legs, smiling and laughing at me. Look back at the show. I'll be watching, rocking all the Still is gear. All the Still is gear. Come on, man. Deebo, you just give me a hard time. And the crowd do too. Hey, what's A? What's A money? When we were fans there, when we was out there, every time I put the hat, they was joking, man, can I take a picture? But you got to take the hat off. I'm like, I can respect it because y 'all are, you're still his fans? I'm like, is the, and when I walked out on stage. And I took pictures with five of them trash can fans you had right as soon as we walked out.

39:56As soon as we walked out, right there. I'm sorry, I shouldn't be saying that about them. And they was, they was drunk.

40:03James Harrison:Like, drinking alcohol. Are you telling me the Steelers fans, they were drunk? No, they were not. They were the ones that were having a few sips of alcoholic beverages as responsible adults. It was the Steelers fans that rode on my suit.

40:27Those Browns fans were drunk.

40:30James Harrison:The Steelers fans rode on my suit. I was appalled. They wrote on my suit. This right here is Australian money, man. This still is... Who got it? Australia? That still is Australia. Yeah. Still is nation Australia. $10. Said, what up, Debo? Thanks for shouting back, mate. Thanks for shouting... All right, mate. All right, mate. Here we go. Cheerio. Here we go. Another shrimp on the barbie.

41:02we got black wolf zero four one two five dollars blah blah what the you're still the frowns nope not even I hear you oh they saying blah blah blah like blah blah blah like all I'm talking about like yeah you don't want to hear what you're talking about them clowns uh huh you know what I'm saying yeah in the country, what?

41:30James Harrison:You don't like it when I start talking to facts. What facts? That y 'all actually did something right for once in the last 175, 32 years?

41:45See? That's what I was waiting on to stutter. See, y 'all see that? Y 'all see that? He can't help it when the truth come through. Jesus.

41:55James Harrison:Yeah, we have been doing something right in the last couple of years. See, don't we, listen, you keep talking like that, and the Browns, we won a playoff game since before you guys have.

42:10James Harrison:So, it's just like. I know you didn't. And it's crazy. They beat me. I had the COVID. I was watching from the crib. Ball snapped right over my dog, Ben's head, first play of the game. You taking this other side all the way, huh? Stressing out. You taking this other side stuff all the way, huh? Hey, look, bro. This is what I'm saying. You want to throw in the extra 100? You throw in 100 years? That's just crazy. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. What's that, zealous? That's a long time. Zelios. Zero. $10. Sorry. Disrespectful. He said, I'm new here. I'm a Ravens fan. It's all right, baby. Everybody got their faults.

42:49James Harrison:Come on. He said, love y 'all's game. Asking two rivals. How is Suggs not in the Hall of Fame? Number eight all-time in sacks. Yeah. He's better than Allen and Luke. What the F? WTF. I almost said it. I'm good. I'm doing real good with that joke. Good job, dude. You should have him as a guest. You know what? I know Suggs. He used to train with me. I'm in Arizona. Good dude, man. Great dude. Honestly, I don't know. You know, maybe they waiting. you know listen i don't i don't i don't put any credit into hall of fame inductions and all the other stuff after they they went on here and had one of the most winningest all-time super bowl is having this coach like the ever period yeah in history that just made he don't go first ballot nobody else should ever go first ballot again nobody should even get in the hall of fame and It showed it too.

43:52James Harrison:It made the haul. I don't understand it. We made the haul not what we wanted it to be. We wanted it to be based on merit. That's it. Based on what you've done. And when they did that, it took it away. Now it's feeling. No question. Now it's how you feel. It's how you feel. I don't give a damn. It's how you feel. I don't care how you feel. Do they like you? Do they like you? Are you relatable? Do you love people the right way? Are you going to get fans there? Like, what is it? Oh, my God. You don't know anymore. So, hey, man. How good are you? Were you the greatest? Did you change the game? That's all that we know.

44:21James Harrison:That's all that we heard about. All that. All that and still didn't get in there. That's crazy. Crazy, right? I'm with you. Quick 201. $2. Said you guys was funny as... I can say hell, right? That's not a bad word, is it, Joe? What? I can say hell, right? Yes. I'm trying to be, you know, trying to be better. Sometimes I slip. You guys were funny as hell at the draft. Yes. I was not funny. I was trying to keep control of Joe. He was out there. It was a lot. It was hot. He had a suit. Hey, they talking about... Listen, listen. They was talking about I was sweating and you wasn't. I said, y 'all could...

45:10You couldn't see my sweat.

45:12James Harrison:That boy was sweating like a hooking church over there. I would have took that suit off. Y 'all would have saw my back and my stomach. wet I was like I can't take this suit off I gotta stay just like this no you might have caught pneumonia when we got back inside man for real bro honestly I got a little sick but I'm good though we got M-L P-Y right P-Y-4-R-T yeah ten dollars Debo do you believe in Will Howard over Drew let's see I'll learn

46:01we're about to find out we ain't really know nothing about either of them except for college if we going by college give me Will Howard

46:11I mean Drew got hurt you know what I'm saying he messed his ankle up he did all that stuff so I mean I think before that, he was projected to be a first-round pick, right?

46:20James Harrison:Mm-hmm. I'm going to go with Will just because he sat behind A-Rod for the year. I don't know about Drew too much. I like that he's a big – I'm liking that they're getting these big quarterbacks that are played in the elements. 6 '5", 230, I like the size. And I think Mike McCarthy, if you drafted him, it's on you. so it's time it's time for us to see some quarterbacks making steps not throwing the ball in bad positions people looking open scheming people open and the quarterbacks actually looking like they're progressing that's going to be on they're going to have to be obviously have to have the talent but you got your coach talking about you like will howard he took your boy in the third round so right i if you drafted him let me see what you got going on right about will we talking about Drew.

47:14James Harrison:That's what I'm saying. You got types. You said he wouldn't go to fifth. So show me. Why? A thousand percent. That's what you do. Develop him. So let's develop him and go on out there. It's time for developing. We got a player that you can develop. No question. Run it. We got Mike $105 said, what up, Debo and Joe? Browns might as well keep Browning and bring in another quarterback, maybe Aaron Rodgers. Man, Get out of here. Ha, ha, ha. Yep. That's what we ain't going to do. We chilling right now. What you saying? Huh? What you saying? What you mean what I'm saying? Why you saying that's what we ain't going to do?

47:55James Harrison:Why you saying it like that? Because you already talking about something. We got four quarterbacks. Okay. All right. I was just checking. I was just checking. I was just checking. No disrespect to A-Rod. I was just checking. Yeah. I was just checking. You know what I'm saying? I'm not trying to bring no more noise over to what we got going on over here. Okay. Okay. That's it. Hey, I was just checking, brother. Yeah. We got Covenant Life. Here she go. We got Covenant Life back. She said, I appreciate you more, Joe, for your loyalty to your Browns. Yeah. They drafted you, and I respect that and love you.

48:25Thank you. You look nice for a Browns player with a dirty brown.

48:30James Harrison:She didn't even say that. You just starting to read the extra part. It was just, you look nice. I actually caught this one, Debo. See you out here doing, reading. Sure. Just making stuff up. No, I'm getting old. Yeah. You know, Joe, my bitch is going bad. I thought it said something like that. Thank you, Covenant. I just got to tell you honestly. I got drafted there, and the city showed me too much love. So much love. That's my... Yes, walk around the land. Joe, woo-woo-woo. I love him. I love the city of Cleveland. Okay,$20. She backed. She said, Mark Ingram, you played with the Ratbirds for 15 minutes.

49:08the team you was drafted by the team you was drafted from didn't want you calling nothing for them

49:17James Harrison:let a cameraman run you out of your house your child knows greatness and that's the Steelers well nope my dog Marcus did you see it yes Yes. He hosted his son up like Simba. Yeah. That's my dog. Circle of life. Let's go on here. We got, what's that? Zealous? Zealous? We got$2. You know, Sizzle was a - Well said. Thank you. Sizzle worthy of first ballot. Nah. He going to get in the hole. He'll get in. He'll get in, but not first ballot, though. He couldn't. They already went past it. Okay, yeah, yeah. So, no, that's what I'm saying. He's going to get in, 1 ,000%. But first ballot, I don't know.

50:14James Harrison:Could have been, but he already passed it. Hey, man, you a Ravens fan. What you doing on here? He trying to hear what's going on. Zelios, what you doing on here, man? He's on here for my honesty. He only here for who honesty? My honesty. Oh. Your honesty about how the Browns suck? No, my honesty about how some of the things that we did in the past sucked. Okay. And now how we're moving forward, looking better and progressing. I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you. We got Mikey Mikey back$5. He said, make a shirt that says Brown's been Browning. Ah, Brown's been Browning for 175, 32 years.

51:02Hey, I'm making a shirt for you, man. I'm making, hey, hey, I dig, I forget that shirt, man. Brown's been browners for 175, 32 years. Hey, man, that's like 50-11, man. It was 50-11 of them over there, man.

51:16James Harrison:Man, y 'all so disrespectful. Listen, brother. I disrespect Jim Brown, man. Joe, it's okay. Yeah, Jim Brown. I'm in life. She back again. she said James coming to life$10 she said James please come till it's still hers day May 28 because during the draft you got busy busy I was screaming it me me you said get it out yep that's what Debo was trying to cover that I'm sorry He was trying to clear the lane maybe for the cameraman. I was trying to get some room for my cameraman. Yeah, that's what you was on. Trying to get some room for my cameraman. Make a lane. Make a lane. We're going to be out of the training camp.

52:11We're going to go to training camp this year, Joe. Okay. Yeah, for sure, for sure. We're going to have to.

52:16James Harrison:No, no, a thousand percent. I like that. I got to go to my school. I said, get out of my way. I got to check in schedules. Damn, you done covered it out the window. Actually, crazy. There's no way. I know it wasn't me covered it. You probably didn't even see me, because if I'd have seen you, I'd have been able to stop and chill. Hey, she might have. Yo, where the hell you at? I'm like, I'm talking to you covered it. She might have caught me half way dehydrated, and I couldn't even see you. Yes. Yes, that's how we caught you when you had the towel over your ass. Oh, man. Dude, I was sweating so hard, man.

52:52It was going into my eyes, bro. sweat was burning.

52:56James Harrison:That Build-A-Bear room. I tried to get you some coolness in the Build-A-Bear. That ain't worked. That man, you brought me into the sauna room. I was hoping they was going to stay off the green, but they didn't. You know. You know how it go, man. Look here, man. We have a announcement tonight. Uh-oh. Tomorrow. We're going to have a guess. Uh-oh.

53:32Brett Kiso.

53:35James Harrison:Oh, man. Okay. Yes. Okay. Yes. Do not miss it. He will be here tomorrow starting at 1130, I believe, to the end of the show, ladies and gentlemen. So, we want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Devo and Joe. Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your show. Joe? Yo, same time, same place, tomorrow. We're going to be here with my bearded man, Kizu. Let's get it. Yeah.

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