Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Steelers Disrespecting Joey Porter Jr.? + Harbaugh on Chargers Upset Loss

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2:10Try fencing. It's fast, competitive, and even offered at the NCAA level. Find a beginner class near you at trifencing.org. That's tryfencing.org. What kind of guarantee would you think he was worth? With Joey Porter Jr., I think if he goes to the open market, it's the difference between what the Steelers are going to try and do and what every other team I think in the NFL do. When we talk about guaranteed money, this is the only organization that doesn't really do it. The only dude that they've been giving the guaranteed money to is T.J. Watt in the past. T.J. Watt has signed in 2021 when he signed four years, 112 million.

2:55They gave him 80 million guaranteed. In his last extension, he signed three years, 123 million with$108 million guaranteed. That is it. And T.J. Watt has been first team all pros, set and sack records, and all of that stuff. So he has the stats, the accolades to go with it. So I think with, and that's the one. The next one that's got the most guaranteed is DK Metcalf, a recent deal where DK got four years,$132 million with$60 million guaranteed. The Steelers normally only give that first year of signing bonus guaranteed contract. And then the rest of the rest of your first year basically is guaranteed from the Steelers.

3:36They give you your signing bonus and that's what your guaranteed portion is. So with Joey Porter Jr., if it's around, if they're saying$33 million for the Steelers, that's just like one year. So it's basically going to get a one-year deal. And the Steelers, they normally pay it out. Cam Hayward, he saw his first deal in 2015 with six years,$59 million with$15 million guaranteed. His second deal in 2020, four years,$65 million with$26 guaranteed. So it's basically, you can get up to the two years of your contract guaranteed, but they don't do more than that. with Witherspoon. That's the first three years of his contract because if you're making $30 million a year, 30, 60, 90, it's right around 100.

4:16And then he has two more years left on his deal. So it's a five-year contract with three of those years are guaranteed. So basically, Witherspoon's playing on a three-year, $100 million contract fully guaranteed with two years on the back end. With Joey Porter Jr., if he signs a four-year deal, the Steelers are looking like, you look, you're signing a four-year deal, you're going to get your first year guaranteed, and then the next three years, you're on the squad making around$25 million a year average price per year, but it's not guaranteed. And with Joey Porter Jr., if you go to a different team, they will be able to give you those higher contracts because teams normally do it.

4:50But the Steelers, in their history, they only give up normally the first year guaranteed, maybe two. So with Joey Porter, his number, if you go to the open market, it's going to be right around that number you're looking for, around$90 million guaranteed, depending on the length of the contract. But with the Steelers, that's not something that they're looking to do. So it's like, it's tough. It's tough because - So where do you see his guarantee being as far as what you would do? What I would do? A worst case scenario. What's your bottom? Bottom line, I would go around the, if it was a four-year, if it was a four-year deal, I would do four years.

5:29It would look basically like T.J. Watts' deal. I would want him to get around four years, 112 with 80 guaranteed. Okay. Okay. So if that's the case and they're saying it's the guarantee, 33, I don't see him signing for 33. I don't see nobody actually going to 33, especially when you look at the market right here. When I'm looking at the market right here, the last 18 months of signings from these guys, the lowest one I think is$70 million of a signing bonus. So that's where I would think like you would start at and just be like, yo, we're going to do 70. Yeah. And that. And I think even if we and if I think that that's that's not I think that around that number, Debo, 70, when you're going to that's that's going to be two years of the guarantee.

6:16Most teams are not going to give the three is you're reaching. But that's us assuming that it's a three million dollars. It's no way. We know that's not it because he wasn't asking. He wasn't even trying to break. Like, like we know, we know what that is. Like, so we know already like this 33 that ain't, you know, that's, that's a year and some change. You know what I'm saying? And when it comes down to it, it's basically a year deal. You get signed a bonus, whatever. So he's like, yo, I'm not doing a year deal. And this 33 made me think like, so I'm like, yo, if it's 33, let me look and start looking at the scenarios, dude.

6:56that come behind this. And it made me think when Mike McCarthy said that it's no time limit for Joey Porter's return. I think we got the sound for that, too. We got the sound for that? You know, hopefully we'll have a good plan for him on Wednesday. Hopefully we'll do more. You know, that's the outlook. So, yeah, hopefully we move forward more volume of work. You know, that would be my anticipation. so now it's no timeline on his return so when you listen to that and they're talking no timeline on the return now it got my head spinning now i'm spinning i'm running look at mine mine i'm not even spinning all right we already know what's 33 you're talking 33 right so now i got to take this 33 and say all right if this rumor is true and it goes to that joey is due to make four this year right four 3.9 and if they tag him what are you at 20 24 24 next year if they tag him he's at 24 next year okay so if that's the case it's around 28 27 something like that right yes well the 33 would sound like a good deal maybe to me as a as an owner because when it comes down to it this all i have to do yeah you know what i'm saying but that's just that that's that's not usually how it works and the fact that they started to deal so late this may be you know i'm saying a a point where okay your back is hurt now i can't i can't make you, I can't make you play.

8:44And if you say that your back is hurt, then I'm going to have to believe that, which means you can sit out, you can get paid, you don't get fined. And with this happening right here where he says there's no timetable, I feel like this may be where if I'm the owner and I'm the Steelers, I'm trying to use my leverage now. And I'm trying to force him to have to play or sit out. because now what you're doing is you're playing or not playing because your back is hurt. So I have to believe that as an owner that your back is hurt. So I got to keep paying you and life goes on. Or, no, listen, no timetable on your return.

9:36What do I do? I say, okay, it's no timetable on your return. We don't know what's going to go on. I'm an IRU. Reserve to return. That's four weeks. And basically, that's me as an owner saying, hey, is it real? That's my warning shot. Boom. I done shot. I done shot. Now, after that four weeks is up, you return. Now, when you return, you got to either play or you can say you still hurt. and sit out now if you do that i are i argue for the whole season okay now i argue for the whole season you say next year comes and well for me personally if i'm the owner i'm going to i argue i'm going to take your um i'm going to go ahead and give you the franchise that because you didn't get a chance to play for me and i'm hoping that you get healthy yeah okay because I have to believe that you are.

10:43Now, what this will do is if he is not hurt, he's going to have to be like, you know what? I'm going to have to make a difficult decision of if I'm going to say, play it out, I'm hurt, and then take a chance of getting franchised at the end of the season, and now you either play or sit out. Now you're going to sit out two years. Hello. So two years out now, what you going to do, sit out again or play? Well, if you sit out, you're two years out. Now you're back on a prove-it deal. So now that 23, 24 on that franchise tag, which are four, and the 33 that they offer look a whole lot more appealing, but they don't do deals in season.

11:31In season. So when it comes down to it, if that's the move that ends up happening, now you're still stuck there or you got to say, you know what? I'm going to go ahead and be like, yo, I don't want to be here. I'm going to sit out. I'm going to take the fines. Now, if they franchise tag you, they know you don't want to be there. Why would you tag me if you know I don't want to be here? And I'm going to tell you why I'm going to tag you. The reason I'm going to tag you is because I got no value from you. And you came at the beginning saying that it was a back. And now I find out because you finally say, I don't want to be here.

12:13I want, I want, you know, I want out. And if they can't get what they feel is the value of him in this process of seeing, you know, what they can and can't get. If it's me, I'm telling you, I got to get something. Like even if it's next year and I don't get nothing but a, you know, a third or a fourth, I got to get something. And you get the money off of your books. But if that's the process, that's what it comes down to. And now, really, what you're doing, you know, especially if I'm – yo, this is what we do at Stillers. We do not give large signing bonus. That's not what we do. Large guarantees.

12:57We're going to make you – yeah, we don't give large guarantees. So what we're going to do – We'll make the numbers. We're going to make you a cautionary tale for anybody else when it comes contract time that we the Steelers, we don't do large grantees, but you got a high chance of your contract being played out. If you don't want to be here, then you should go ahead and be like, yo, I don't want to be here in that process. If we can't get a deal done and you end up doing Le 'Veon, he set out. Then you go and get a contract somewhere else the next year.

13:31Right now, it's looking messed up. You broke it all the way down because this is the thing. The Steelers, we know, they've given contracts to Washington, to Nick. You know what I'm saying? So, like, right now they have him under contract. It's not like we would love all the players to re-up and get paid. But when you do have they have your rights. They have you right now. They have you under contract and then they can franchise tag you. You've outplayed that contract. Everybody in the Steelers, all the fans, me, Debo, we want you to get paid. It's not that. It's like now it's just getting ugly because as the business side of it is.

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17:29You can be able to weigh up. IARN being able to get out. And this year you'll make$4 million. Then they tag you. And you can make 24 that year. So that's two seasons. You haven't played no ball. And you've gotten. Now hold up. Now hold up. If I want to be a real A-stick, like A-hole, those are star finals. I can tag you again. You want to get fined no matter what. No, that's what I'm saying. We're just saying, D-Bo, we're saying they can have them for three years. Yes, they can tag you again after this year. Yes. At the end of this year, you go through that one, sit out another, and they can tag you again.

18:06so that's why when we say the things that we say with the team and understanding what it is understanding that i want you to get paid you deserve to get paid we're not not saying that ever but the thing is when the team is looking at it too they have you under contract you have out outperformed it so that's they they won they got you in the second round for four years nine million dollar contract so joey porter it sucks but now and contractually you they have you so You can try to work the ways. We expect you to get paid. We hope that happens. But they have you this year. They have you next year.

18:41And they can tag you again. So they can have you up to three years. Now, I'm trying to figure out how can we get you paid, nephew. Collective bargaining agreement. That needs to be changed there. The NFLPA needs to be front and center in making sure that all of that stuff is one of the things that are non-negotiables. on the docket when that time comes for that to be done, which I don't see doing or getting done because as me, as being an owner, if I'm an owner, I have everything I want right now and I'm not going to give up anything until I have to. And that won't be until after 2030 when you get locked up.

19:26Like, it makes no sense. it's it's sad to see but it's a business it's a business so the Steelers they do have Joey Porter on the contract so when we know like at the end of the day fans we want them to get extended we want to get a contract but then it's like what are their numbers the Steelers are only trying to give certain amount of guaranteed certain amount of things in their contract they're not willing to budge on maybe the average per year is good it could be I don't know it could be a four year let's say 36 to 91 On four years,$120 million. Average per year is good. But$30 million guaranteed, Joey Porter's looking at that deal like that's a one-year$30 million.

20:06Like the rest of the years, it sounds good, but that is a three for 90, zero guaranteed up in the air. I understand. I know y 'all are talking about when the Steelers sign contracts to their guys, you normally play it out. He said, but I can't take your word for that. If you can just sign it and make it be, say it's a two years for$60 million, when I know my first two years are guaranteed, that's just more comforting that's just the way the deals go if it was another team that's have two years for sure maybe if you're a baller you can get three that's the way that Gonzalez's contract he's got three of his years guaranteed 100 million and Witherspoon well you gotta look at it you go all the way back to 18 with JC Horn that was that was that was that was 100 million he had 70 million guaranteed boom that's three those are the first three years right those are the first three years of the deal You got your last year at a one year for$25 million.

21:00They can let you go. You can renegotiate. You can kind of tear that thing up because now what's the new market? I was playing at$25. Now the market now is at$33. So you're looking at that deal like, okay, bet. The extension is going to be to the$33 million. We got you a one for$25. Let's just add it on. So that's kind of how it works. So with Joey Porter, I respect he's trying to get that guaranteed. The Steelers are looking at it. We don't do guarantees. We pay out the first year big signing bonus. it'd be 30 million maybe. Who knows? But then after that, you got to trust us. Joey Porter's like, no, I need to see that.

21:34And I need to see that on paper. Right. Only thing I can trust is that you ain't going to waste your money. You know what I'm saying? Like, you ain't going to be like, yo, I'm just going to let him go before I find out if, you know, God forbid, somebody ended up getting hurt. And well, I'm just going to let him go before I can see if, you know, he could come back when you already got money guaranteed that you got to pay him. Anybody will do that. like if you do that your play is absolutely horribly like it's horrible yeah try it like they done went and said you know what we're gonna do like miami and we have a hundred you know what is it 200 and 300 something uh two what is 170 something against the cat they only got half of what they can use for their actual roster available yeah yeah so i mean it's gonna come down to it's just gonna come down to who will blink first yeah and and that it's not i mean and you know how it go big bang take little bang come on because i'm i'm saying you when you look at the past and i look at players in who signed contracts and how much guarantees they've done that's just what the history says from big ben to cam hayward to ab to minka like those were just deals that are getting done.

22:50The biggest ones is TJ Watt. Because it's like, when you have a dude that resets the market, because he's one of one. He was up there. Him miles with the numbers, with the all pros. It's like, now you don't have no leg to stand on. With Cam Hayward, he was up there too with some all pros, but he still didn't get as much guaranteed. But you're going to get the average per year because it's like, Cam, we believe you're going to be here. We're not going to cut you. But it's like, you had to see it. That's what happened with Cam. I can't believe that. Debo, Debo, trust me. I'm with you 1 ,000. Like I said, it's a business at the end of the day.

23:23It's a business. So I'm with Joey Porter where he's like, look, it's $100 million guarantees going off over here. And when you're talking about less than 30, I can't do that. It just doesn't make sense to me. So the best thing would be, and for me now, get as much as they could if they're going to trade Joey Porter Jr. because That's just it though. It's no panic to trade. It's going to cost you what? Four? It's no panic for me to trade. if I don't get what I want, who knows? Like he said, the art dude said it could be a, it could be a first round or it could be a first and, and, and, and another one and a player that comes with it.

23:59That's a high ass though, but it could be. And if that's what they want and saying like, yo, we'd rather go ahead and sit here and hold on to this and, and just not even get the 4 million and then say we franchising next year and figure out we can get after that. Then that's what they go do. Cause you're going to take the franchise off of your books. You, You ain't spent nothing before and you end up getting something. Even if it ain't nothing but a two, three, four or five, whatever it is, you'll get something. So it's like it's no need for them to let you go unless they get exactly what it is they want.

24:32Yeah.

24:35Yeah, it's a difficult situation, man. But I'm hoping everybody could. I don't know. I don't know. Cooler heads can prevail. I don't know how that's. I just really don't know how that's going to work. Me either. I'm flustered about the situation. Old me, eagle me, I would have held on to it. You know, that's just old me. But your guy over here, the Vikings quarterback, Carson Wentz, he earned an additional$100 ,000 after replacing Kyler Murray in Minnesota's upset over the Packers. It's an incentive bonus that the quarterback will earn in every game where he plays at least 60 % of the snaps and the team wins.

25:19100 ,000 bonus is capped at the six wins. Each of his next wins after, I guess, the six and beyond is worth 150 provided he plays 60 % of the snaps. Yes. Yeah. So, see, they out here. They out here just. That's what you call incentive and gives a little man some initiative. Yes. Yes. I might. Yeah, Joe. Man. Yeah. He going to drop some dots. He going to drop some real dots. He going to drop some dots, Debo. Bruh. I'm happy for him. He's not giving me incentive like that. 60 % of the snaps in a win? He don't even play on the other two phases of the game. No. Like, that's... Mm-mm. He can go out, listen, he can go out there and throw four or five picks, man.

26:20And they still... See, you're right. You're right. At least give me some dinner or something, man. Give me something to eat. Oh, for sure. If you go out there, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the special teams run back some kicks, you know, threw two picks. Oh, yeah, you got to take care of them. No question. Your guy, what's his name? Pickett. I always get his name wrong. He went to the Lions, the running back, Isaiah. A Pacheco. Pacheco, that's it. Yeah, Pacheco. They're saying he going to miss 12 weeks, dude, after having to undergo back surgery to remove a loose body that was pressing on a nerve in his back.

27:03They say he could return early December. Dude, no. No. Hey, do not do that, bro. No, don't do it. I don't know what you had. I had two micro-discectomies in a matter of seven, eight days, right? Dude, six months later, bro, my back was still lit, brother. How did it happen? Dude, I guess they don't know. I don't say here. Don't say how it happened. Oh, I was talking about you. You said you had it. Oh, me? Yeah. So I don't know how it happened, to be honest with you. I think it was over the course of time. So what ended up happening is it was 2010, the year we ended up going to the Super Bowl against Green Bay.

27:54And we, yeah, that one. So through the course of the year, you know how you get the tour it all, right? Yeah. So you get the tour it all. And, you know, the first week or two, I could feel it. But when I got the tour it all, it'd go away. And by the time I got to like week four, the tour dog wasn't taking it away no more. And now it was actually just going all the way down my leg. You know, I'd go to turn the corner, step to turn the corner, my whole leg go dead. I just fall. You know what I'm saying? And so I go to the doc. I'm like, yo, you know, I tell them your back is lit. They do MRI and everything is kind of pressing over there between S1 up to L5.

28:41so they do the test they like well you're strong enough and you know you can you can keep going or you could get the surgery done and you'll be back in six weeks i'm like okay let's do the surgery yeah let's jump back in six weeks they're like no no no let's just go ahead and do it to you i'm like all right cool i could do that too whatever so i go through the year bro bro i done had to get shot in my back on a Saturday to play on a Sunday, epidural, all that, bro. Like, I can't get out the bed. Like, they got to come help me get it like, bro. Okay. Now, get the surgery. We go all the way through to the Super Bowl, man.