Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Stefon Diggs Linked to Commanders + Megatron Record In Danger?

16 Jun 2026 · 39 min · 18 chapters

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In short

Episode topic: NFL record projections and receiver longevity, plus free-agent wide receiver Stefon Diggs possibly returning to play for the Washington Commanders; also includes discussion of player weight/conditioning and Week 1 defensive matchups.

Guest backgrounds

Debo (former NFL defensive back, Steelers) and Joe (former NFL player/DB; discusses combine/pro-day weight listings and conditioning). They reference other NFL figures like Calvin Johnson, Jerry Rice, Matthew Stafford, Cooper Kupp, Puka Nacua, Devontae Adams, Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, Emmitt Smith, Derrick Henry, and Barry Sanders.

Key claims

Puka Nacua (with Matthew Stafford) could break Calvin Johnson’s single-season receiving yard record; the record’s main barrier is health and longevity. Jerry Rice’s career receiving records (yards, touchdowns) are viewed as extremely unlikely to be surpassed. Diggs returning to Washington would be “dope,” assuming offensive fit and health.

Notable examples

Megatron’s 2012 mark; Jerry Rice’s longevity (20-year career) and 197 receiving TDs; Justin Jefferson’s current production; Derrick Henry’s proximity to Emmitt Smith’s rushing total.

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Discussion on NFL Records and Predictions

2:23 to 2:58

Exploration of Calvin Johnson's receiving record and potential challengers.

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Discussion on NFL Records and Predictions

3:02 to 14:01

Exploration of Calvin Johnson's receiving record and potential challengers.

“Calvin Johnson doesn't expect his single season NFL record for receiving yards to last much longer, Dylan.”

Justin Jefferson's Potential Record Pace

14:01 to 15:07

Discussion on Justin Jefferson's current performance and potential to break records.

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Justin Jefferson's Potential Record Pace

15:51 to 16:19

Discussion on Justin Jefferson's current performance and potential to break records.

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Justin Jefferson's Potential Record Pace

16:52 to 17:24

Discussion on Justin Jefferson's current performance and potential to break records.

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The Challenge of Breaking Records

17:32 to 20:18

In-depth analysis of what it takes to break NFL records and the challenges involved.

“Justin Jefferson ain't got a quarterback.”

Comparing Greatness: Emmitt Smith vs. Derrick Henry

20:18 to 22:36

Evaluation of Derrick Henry's chances to surpass Emmitt Smith's rushing record.

“But we're talking about being the best to ever do it and setting these numbers where Jerry Rice was doing it for 20 years, a thousand ones or nothing.”

Impact of Longevity in Sports

22:36 to 23:18

Discussion on how longevity affects athletes' records and careers.

“And they're looking at both of these records.”

Stephon Diggs and the Commanders

23:18 to 23:40

Conversation about Stephon Diggs' potential move to the Washington Commanders.

“No, no, no, for sure, for sure, for sure.”

Player Health and Performance Concerns

23:40 to 28:00

Discussion on player health concerns, especially for Jalen Hurts and other athletes.

“He opens up about the possibility of going home and playing for the commanders.”
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Weighing in on NFL Training

28:00 to 30:18

Discussion about the importance of player weight management in the NFL.

“Hey, Debo, I'm thinking we're getting that myth out of there right now.”

The Impact of Playing for Your Hometown

30:18 to 31:31

Exploration of the pros and cons of playing for your hometown team in the NFL.

“I'm like, he's like, yeah, we know that ain't it.”

Understanding the NFL as a Job

34:40 to 39:46

Insights on the realities of being a professional athlete and the importance of focus.

“Once you're in towards the later end of your career and ready to finish it off, I think it's a perfect time to be able to come home because it's a change.”

Preparing for the First Game

39:46 to 42:03

Discussion on game-day strategies and the importance of being ready for opponents.

“like it's fun with NFL, but like, oh my goodness, it's real out here.”

Debo's Game Day Motivation

42:03 to 44:00

Debo shares his motivational approach for the defense before a big game.

“And then opening day, Steelers, obviously Steelers.”

Debo and Ocho's Hypothetical Fight

44:01 to 45:09

Debo humorously discusses the idea of a fight with Ocho and reflects on it.

“You ain't, listen, you ain't coming over here with none of that bullshit.”

Engaging the Audience

45:10 to 47:26

The hosts encourage audience interaction and discuss viewer engagement.

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Engaging the Audience

49:46 to 50:50

The hosts encourage audience interaction and discuss viewer engagement.

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2:23$355 ,000. So, hey, want to get started? Just head to CarMax.com for details and get pre-qualified today. Want to drive? CarMax. Wasn't that delicious? So good. Your bill, ladies? I got it. No, I got it. Seriously, I insist. I insisted first. Oh, don't be silly. You don't be silly.

2:45James Harrison:People with the Wells Fargo Active Cash credit card prefer to pay because they earn unlimited 2 % cash rewards on purchases. Okay. Rock, paper, scissors for it. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. No! The Wells Fargo Active Cash Credit Card. Visit wellsfargo.com slash activecash. Terms apply. Look here, man. Calvin Johnson doesn't expect his single season NFL record for receiving yards to last much longer, Dylan. And he had to, and if he had to guess, he said Puka will be the one to break it. Megatron said he still got Matthew Stafford so I think he's got a shot if he stays healthy that dude's a killer out there so Megatron set the single season record mark in 2012 breaking Jerry Rice's record of 190 oh sorry 1 ,964 yards in 16 games I guess Puka had 17 15 in 16 games that season Now, Joseph.

3:53Yes. Do you see Megatron's record falling?

3:57James Harrison:Yes. I see it falling. And the only reason why I see it. It's possible because if Puka stays healthy and Matthew Stafford, Matthew Stafford is the person that throws the ball to these receivers to break the records. You know what I'm saying? If Matthew Stafford is a quarterback, he gave Megatron the single season record in 2012. He's the one that got it to him. and then after that he gave it to Cooper Cup he gave Cooper Cup the the single season record and then after that Puken Okua on pace same like skill set and I think he knows if you have a player like that that you can continue to get the ball to Devontae Adams on the other side the offense is doing amazing he said Calvin Johnson said the most perfect thing it's healthy if he can stay healthy and it's a 17 game season I think that extra game also with Puken Okua just being able to be so dominant and Matthew Stafford being able to just get the ball.

4:50James Harrison:He knows matchups. If you leave him in a matchup with a single coverage, he likes his guy and he's going to give him chances to get those opportunities and puts it right on the money nine times out of 10. So I think with you having Matthew Stafford and having weapons around him to where you can't just double team Pukin the cool all the time, you can run the ball. They have Devontae Adams. They have other weapons to where they can disperse it around to where now, next thing you know, when you do get in that situation, when he ends one-on-one, you're going to get bombed up. And they're going to take advantage of it.

5:20James Harrison:So I think with Matthew Stafford being the quarterback and Puka being his receiver, coming into his own, health is the main thing. But with the numbers-wise, he did it before. He's done it with Magatron. He's done it with Cooper Cup. And now I think with that level of receiver, it's Puka Nakua. Yeah, I obviously see it happening. You got more games. Instead of 16 games, you got 17 games. and when you go and you you know you really just think about it like everything like like you said it has to line up and for this to happen with calvin it was 2012 like jerry rice held on to that record he's well he made the record in 95 and he held on to it until 2012 when it got passed where everything lined up you're talking what is it almost 20 almost 20 years 17 years something like that that that he held on to that record you know what i'm saying until everything lined up perfectly he stayed healthy stafford was doing this thing so and now you got more games it's more of a passing league like jerry rice like that man that when they was already passing the ball like they do now in san fran when you know uh he was playing back then so they they were slaying that thing so when it comes down to it yeah i believe it's going to be broken and it i don't think it has to be cool that's going to break it again you're talking something that lasted 17 years so i mean it could last 20 25 years whatever it is but at some point in time i believe that that record is going to be broken it'll be 17 games right now and then you gotta think about it's about to be 18 games bro they about to knock off another i'm telling you as soon as that 30 if they do this deal before that 2030 cba is up it's going to be 18 games even after that it's going to be 18 games bro the 17 games gonna be 18 games they're gonna knock off two they're gonna knock off one of the uh preseason games there's only gonna be two preseason games that's how they go and you know work it through obviously and the nflpa is gonna fall for the bullshit because that's what they do their leadership is trash they have nobody they got any type of backbone everybody looking out for themselves they ain't looking out for these players point bank players like so when it comes down to it you think it's anybody else that could break it besides Buka?

7:38James Harrison:I think JSN I think Jamar Chase Okay I think I think it takes two you gotta have a quarterback and you gotta have a dog receiver you know what I'm saying and like you gotta stay healthy everything gotta line up so I'm thinking with JSN he's a dog and he his 6, 17, 1800 yards last year you're just seeing people out there that can do it and with Jamar Chase is one of my guys. And I think if Justin Jefferson was able to really get, he's going for a consistent quarterback. I think if you just get Patrick Mahomes, one of these dudes you get with another A, like when Tyreek Hill was there, I think there was chances that he could have had that.

8:20James Harrison:But I think just staying healthy, having a bomb receiver and you got an A1. I mean, a bomb A1 quarterback and an A1 receiver. Yeah, you got to have it. They got to have it. Did this turn off? Let me see. Nope, we're good. You got to have the connection. You got to have the – everything has to line up. And that's the same thing like Super Bowls. Like guys that get to a Super Bowl young and early, like, yeah, we're going to be back. I'm like, no, not necessarily, dude. You don't realize how much things got to line up. And then at the same time, it's like what is – you got to be – if you really eating at two bands, it's like I hope we got to make sure there's one ball, how many yards is your quarterback throwing for?

8:59James Harrison:That's got to be like 5 ,000 yard throwing quarterback unless you're getting 50 % of the passes. Because a good 4 ,000 yards is a good season. That means you have half of all of the receiving yards for your squad. If you get one that's throwing for five, you know what I'm saying? You get one that's throwing for five, you straight. You know what I'm saying? You got to be averaging. Your team got to be averaging around 350 yards passing. So you need your, like when you're going at two bands. You need your buck 20, buck 25. in 17 games. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Some games, you got to come out there and go crazy and hit them with 200, 225, 250.

9:36James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? You need them at 115. That's not crazy. 115 a game? So you go for 200 because, like, Josh Gordon was on pace. My man went for 200 back-to-back games. You got to do something where you just spaz. You got a month where... You got to spaz out a couple games. You got to go for, man, a 250 piece and then a 200. That's what I'm saying. You taking it from the one, like a 99-yard bomb, and for that rest of the game, you still spazzing on them. You still give them another buck 50 after the 100 yards. You got to have one of them Randy Moss games. Three catches, 175 yards, three touchdowns.

10:14James Harrison:Three, 167, for sure. And that's in the first half. Do you need to play the second half? So right now, of all the NFL records that we have, which one you think is the most untouchable record in the NFL right now? You don't think it will ever be broken? Interceptions. Who got the record for interceptions? Man, that joint is at like 86 or something like that. And there's no way.

10:46James Harrison:What record you think? Who got that? Hold on, I'm about to get it right now. You got to tell me who got that. 87 interceptions? that had to be when they wouldn't they ain't know how to throw the ball or something unless he played a long time

11:08who you got

11:13James Harrison:who you got Jerry Rice receiving yards they ain't gonna touch that bro ain't nobody gonna touch that Who's in second place? You're talking about almost 23 ,000. You're talking about almost 23 ,000 yards receiving. And the thing, you're not going to touch anything Jerry Rice has did as far as longevity. Like, you're not going to touch it, dude. Like, when you, let me see. Hold on. 197 receiving touchdowns, bro. You're not touching that. He got 1 ,549 receiving yards, career reception, sorry. You're not touching that. That's 20 years. That man played 20 years, bruh. You know, so, bruh, I'll tell you right.

12:01I'm going to tell you something. I'm going to tell you something. I'm going to tell you something. Somebody bet me, okay, that it was a player that was going to break Jerry Rice's record. Bet me 100K. Oh, my. I said you are out of your rabbit-ass mind. Bet good. bet good was it a certain player oh okay uh bet good yeah i said it is not happening

12:38James Harrison:so who is number two in career receiving yards how much is he in how much is in first place career receiving yards dude the next closest one i want to say is is is damn near five or seven thousand away it might be fish jerroh i think that's the that's the thing debo this girl is the closest one i think he's still about five or seven thousand 17 000 terrell owens then is after that 15 well basically 16 000. So he's still 5 ,000 away. What did he play? He played 17, 20 years, right? What did Fitzgerald play? Fitzgerald played from 04 to 2020. So he played 16. Okay, 16 years. 20 years. Who touched him 20 years, bro?

13:31James Harrison:You're correct. I mean, Jerry Rice is, the thing is, people can start off and have, 22, 8, 95, bro. They can have seven, six years, five years, six years spans. Four-year spans, obviously, but when you get to six years, seven-year spans of greatness. You'd have to have 10, 2 ,000 yards. You got to have two of those. Ten of them. Ten 2 ,000-yard seasons, and you still ain't beating. Yeah, it's the longevity at receiver. So, like, dudes at the same, they can come out like my man, like Justin Jefferson was on pace. He's probably one of the people I feel like if any way, if he could stay and play for Justin Jefferson probably going to what year nine if he could do this for another 11 years you know what I'm saying he's that's the type you have to what number is he at right now Jefferson right now I guarantee you it ain't on pace it's too hard Justin Jefferson 8 ,000 oh look 8 ,400 and he's only been he's played six years okay you know what I'm saying because the active 6, Justin Jefferson, 12, 18.

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17:31Even if he played 18 years and stayed on that pace, which is horrible, it's going to be impossible to do.

17:37James Harrison:But that's what I'm saying. That's what it takes. You got to get a quarterback. Justin Jefferson ain't got a quarterback. Justin Jefferson is one of the people that have been able to put up the numbers since he came into the league consistently. Like when you say these seven-year spans, but you got to, that's what I'm saying. But how close has he ever been to even a single season breaking the record? Like, you got to get up there, bro. I think Justin Jefferson is one of the only right now, I mean, one of the only players in the league. Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase are the two dudes that are on the trajectory, I feel like.

18:14James Harrison:But when we're saying this, Steve, it's saying. If you do 20 years, you would have to average at least 1 ,200 or 1 ,300 yards a year. To beat? To beat Jerry. All right, hold on. All right. I understand. I'm just trying to give you – look, the only people I'm saying that's even comparable close that have a chance right now is Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson. Ain't nobody beating that. Who playing 20 years? We got right now, especially now. I hear what you're saying. They trying to get rid of you at 30 now. I hear what you're saying. But I was just saying. Yep. Like, it's just that it's 197 receiving touchdowns.

19:02James Harrison:Because the thing with Jerry Rice is that you keep on saying, and that I say with LeBron, it's the level. It's not, it's not you. Everybody can be great for a season. Not everybody, but a lot of players. You can be great for it, but then injuries happen. It's 100 % chance of injury. So when you have players like Jerry Rice, when you have players like LeBron James that put these numbers out there so far because greatness is going to be, it's cool, it's good. Everybody making it to the league is amazing players. You can be great to make three Pro Bowls. You can be amazing. Like Hall of Fame, you start making seven of them.

19:37James Harrison:But when you start making 15 Pro Bowls, 15 All-Pros, that you the level of greatness that you're modeling for that long and then 20 years of doing the same exact thing of oh no he's the best player in the league for 20 years like that's what make these dudes all-time great so when i'm saying justin jefferson he's at the beginning of seven years in the league seven years pro bowl in a row averaging around 1200 yards in a row so if you can keep this for 14 to 13 more years, then you're in the conversation of Jerry Rice. If you were to retire after two more years, people are going to remember your name.

20:16James Harrison:You're on pace for being able to do it for four more years, Hall of Fame. But we're talking about being the best to ever do it and setting these numbers where Jerry Rice was doing it for 20 years, a thousand ones or nothing. He's going 1 ,500 for 10 years in a row. Then you got another just consistency. He's 40, still out there with the Raiders going up top on people. So like when you're starting to look like, oh, no, maybe he's going to year 16. Is he going to do it? Another 1 ,200. Year 17, is he still going to do it? Another 1 ,200. So like you don't know because it's like neither one of us do because you never see it until you see that person that can do it because you see it at the beginning from a lot of people.

20:53James Harrison:Like, oh, man, Calvin Johnson's going to project to be to break Jerry Rice's record and retires after nine seasons. And everybody's like, oh, man, you had so much more. But it's like the wear and tone in your body. You got to want to be able to play that long. Like everything has to work out right. You know what I'm saying? So we're saying the same thing, but we got to see. Can that happen? Can you still be healthy? Can you still ball that long and stay healthy? Yeah. Now the other record that I don't think will go anywhere, but somebody currently has a chance to get to it. If he don't get it, I don't think nobody else gets it.

21:28And that's Emmitt Smith's rushing career yards. Derrick Henry right now at 13 ,000. Eight. Okay. He finished at 18, 355. Now, Derrick can go on a couple of rounds. Oh, man. Oh, yes. He can get that before he got out of there.

21:51James Harrison:We just trying to figure out. He ain't going to get none of that shit against the Steelers. I'm just saying. But if he did it, you know, against everybody else, the other 16 games, you know, the other 15 games, whatever it is, then he definitely got a shot at getting to Emmitt Smith's 18 ,355 because he's only 5 ,300 away. So whatever time he got left, he just needed to get 5 ,300. You know he'd be hitting them for about 16, 17. He'd get a couple of them back-and-backs. That man, Derrick Henry, plays four more years and averages 1 ,200 yards. He's right at it. So that's not a crazy thing to say.

22:28James Harrison:But like you said, too, it's just... But here's the crazy thing, though. If Barry Sanders didn't walk away, Emmitt Smith wouldn't have that. We're talking about Barry and we're talking about Calvin. And they're looking at both of these records. If Calvin played for 20... If Calvin played for 23 years, I mean, now we're looking at something crazy. If Barry Sanders played for the same amount of time as Emmitt, you're looking at something... You're looking at way different numbers. So, like, that's where when the record books get happened, that's where that greatness is because they've been doing it for so long.

22:57James Harrison:Like, nine years is different than 16. It's different than 15 when you level that model of consistency and greatness for so long. I'm like, that's why I give Bron so much love. He can have the love, but I still, listen, it's cool. I still, you want me to give him longevity? I'll give it to him. The best? He got two. He number two. No, no, no, for sure, for sure, for sure. I appreciate it. Me and you have no arguments about LeBron James. I was just saying. You know what I'm saying? That's hometown, and I ain't even tripping. Akron, Ohio, west side Summit County, you know, AK Rowdy Rowdy. All that.

23:32That's gravy, baby. You know what I'm saying? We got free agent, wide receiver, Stephon Diggs. He opens up about the possibility of going home and playing for the commanders. He said, it's a lot of hopes. We're kind of figuring it out and working through some things. I did a small piece of, I did have a small piece of me like down. It would be great to come home and play in front of the fans. Joe, what do you think that would look like if him and old Daniels hooked up?

24:06James Harrison:I mean, I think it would be good. Daniels needs as many weapons as he could possibly have. And I think Stephon Diggs still got some game in him for sure. He's from the crib, from the area. You know what I'm saying? So I think it would be good for him. I think he's still got a lot of, like I said, a lot of ball. So I think it'll be dope. What you think? You know, I don't know, man. I just don't know if Jalen can stay healthy, man. He just need to get some weight on him. He got the same problem Wimby got. Except Wimby actually can stay healthy. He just, his is a little different. Like, they get the bang and hit you.

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24:38Like, we got to put on some weight, put on some muscle. Like, it ain't, what is he? How much he weighed? Was it like 170, 160 or something like that? Oh, J. Dames? He did look a little skinny when he came back. Bruh, what are you talking about? That man turned sideways. You can't even see. He did look a little light.

24:58He's super light, dude. Every time you see him get hit, I'm like, I don't know if he's getting up. He needs to, I don't know, man. They saying 6 '4", 210? I don't know about that.

25:15James Harrison:I don't know. You know how them weights go. What we got at the combine is what you're going to get. And then from there, they will never change it. They get to ask you. There's nothing. You're not jumping on those skills. No time you're in the league. Why ain't go to the combine? Having to literally report to the thing. No. After that, it's one. My bad, Debo. Or pro day. Whatever you had to go to. They're going to get your measurements legitimately one time. And then after that, it's just. It goes. It goes. I mean, it stayed. Like, it said I was 194. I was 194 at the combine. and that's where everybody went from the whole rest of the time I was in the league.

25:49James Harrison:I was walking around 182 because I was getting a little older, trying to get lighter, and it still said 195. So that thing is not updating to we're not jumping on the scale. You're going to get one time and you go, how much does he weigh? He's not walking around at that Google weight right now. No. No. Joe, they had me at, well, my weight, I didn't get a pro day or none of that stuff. My actual weight, I came in at my pro when the Steelers weighed me. And they had me at 242. And that was actually heavier than I had been shit until my first couple years of college when I was horribly, horribly out of shape.

26:29But it was 242. From that point on, by next year, I never played lower than 250, 255, up to 275, 286.

26:42James Harrison:And did it stay at 242 on the thing? Stayed. Didn't move. So that's why I'm always looking around, making sure. Thank you. I knew I wasn't tripping. So I'm like, for me, they always said 194. And they were like this. When you say you were 194, I'm like, I'm 180 pounds. Okay? Like, you look at the story right now. They trying to prepare for 240, bro. I got 286 coming at their ass. Yo, D-Bo, you got 270. A whole number. Surprise 34. Bro, I came into camp on purpose at 270 at least every year. And then I worked up to make sure I could be strong as possible. And then from there, once we got into the season, as we started to work towards the season, I'd drop down and I'd get into like the 255, 260, something like that.

27:25You know what I'm saying? And the longer the season got, though, you know what I'm saying? Like for me, I had to do what I had to do to try and keep from gaining it. You tried to do what you tried to do to try and gain it and hold on to it. So like the super, dude, the run back in Tampa, bro, I was 282 or 286 and Woodley was like 305.

27:48James Harrison:Do you know what Wood's number was? Wood was like 305. No, but I'm saying what his like paper, what his, if you were to Google. Oh, like maybe 270, 265, something like that. Hey, Debo, I'm thinking we're getting that myth out of there right now. You know what Troy was? You know what Troy was? How much? Man, TP was sitting there about 225. What did it say? Bro, I done seen TP playing as heavy as 240. That's what I'm – Bro. It doesn't – I'm trying to tell you, bro. What you get to that one number in there? All that coming downhill. hill, he coming downhill at what they think I'm at. No. See, I'm telling you.

28:29James Harrison:I'm telling you. So the teams, the schedule, the weights that you make, they know. Like, when they make sure, like, when you do, did you have to, did you have to set, like, a set weight with the trainer so you just knew, like, when we had to do weigh-ins? I didn't have, we didn't have that. So they just put on how you, we didn't have weigh-ins. Like, we weighed in, but we didn't, I didn't have, like, I didn't have a weight problem, so I didn't. A thousand percent. Made to maintain a certain weight. Me too. Like, even when BC was there, it was like, yo, are you playing well? Like, how are you moving?

28:58All that other stuff. Like, dude, I ain't going to lie, man. Like, it's sometimes where some cats, man, they scale weight, man. Bruh. Depending on how they work their program, they either come in out of shape and work it down. You can't do that no more now because you don't get enough reps. But, man, you had kids come in and work down 20, you know, 30 in training camp. You know, that's when you had the real tour days. You padded up both times. You know, you're doing all, yeah, then go ahead and work it down. You know, they grinding. Yeah, you can work it down. Not no more.

29:33James Harrison:You better just come in and already be where you need to be. Because I know you was probably the same. If you don't have a weight problem, they kind of more, how you feeling? You know what I'm saying? What do you want to play at, Jody? And I was like, yeah. right now I'm like 185 is good so when you do your weights I'm like yeah I'm right around what I need to be I'm feeling good okay solid I know it's probably how you had your situation but then other players so when I went no you need to be down to this number or you're going to be fined you know I'm saying per pound so there's a situation where now you playing good or certain you're like no I like this I'm like no I don't care you need to get down a little bit hey Joe so when I went to uh New England they actually did the weight thing yeah and you know They were like, you know, what weight you play at?

30:16I see they got you listed at 242. I'm like, he's like, yeah, we know that ain't it. I'm like, yeah. I'm like, cool. I said, whatever I am right now is going to be the weight that, you know, I play at. So I stepped on the scale. It was like, I don't know, like 260 or something or whatever it was. It was like, all right, cool. Yeah, so we'll give you, I think there was like, we'll give you five pounds up or whatever. So, I mean, I never really got over that because as you said, once you get older. Once you get over, you got to start going down. Moving down so you can move around. Yeah. Yeah. Is it – he's going to play for – well, he wants to play for his home team.

30:52Like, would you prefer to play for your home team or would you –

30:57James Harrison:I think it matters at the time of my career. I think when I first – you know, because when you first get drafted, I think I would need it to go away kind of – it's a lot going on. It's a whole lot of – just a process. So I think originally, first to go, just get away, to be able to kind of get your own stuff established, get your own foot down, learn the city. You know what I'm saying? I think the old experience of being able to get drafted, go to a new city, being able to grow up, being able to kind of become your own person is a whole situation. So I think that's good. I think once you start...

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34:36James Harrison:You get older, you get family, you get kids, you get matured. Once you're in towards the later end of your career and ready to finish it off, I think it's a perfect time to be able to come home because it's a change. You're a grown man. You're ready to do a little bit more. And just being able to hold down everything, the situations around being home. I think that's kind of what the thing was. So for me, I think towards the end of my career, I would love to come back to the crib and be able to run the family. But when I first get drafted, have my own spot out there. Family comes, visits as much as they want, come to all the games.

35:09James Harrison:But I think just being able to kind of establish your own identity, being able to. And at the same time, it's work. you're not going to go play and go like it's not like you're just hanging out i'm really trying to go there really establish myself really get my work on really get my grind because when you first get there it's a thousand things you got to get your place you got to get your stuff going on and just get your feet right but it's all in becoming an adult so i think that's all in just the growing and being able to just start doing that on your own and being able to become a an adult and then once you're established and ready to go and being able to have your career going over to go home being able to do that is a whole lot easier and you're able to control what you can control.

35:48James Harrison:You can control the main thing. I think knowing the main thing is you are professional after your job is to now perform. You have to all that college, everything is, is now it's a business. Now you are, you are trying to make this team every single year. And the quicker that you understand that it's a job and not a fun game, it's not a party for everybody, the sooner that you'll be able to be good and get that, that just that, that schedule and just that consistency of, you know what I'm saying? Not just being so spontaneous, not just being so, oh yeah, I can do this. I can do that. Football season is a very, like, it's not that long, but it's time for us to get the job done.

36:26James Harrison:All of this work that we're doing towards the off season, it's really like there's an off season and there's an end season. And the end season is very structured. There's things that we do because that's going to get my body right. You start to just know how you perform the best so i think when you having that it's just you need that time yeah i don't um i don't know i guess would i prefer to play i don't think i would prefer to play well i could play i could i could i could for sure i don't i don't i think to be able to play in your i could yeah i could definitely play in my own home city but to be able to be able to do that you have to be a person that can separate and be very uh forceful in what it is that that you're going to do you got to be able to say no you got to be able to say i got to do this i got to do that and everything has to be prioritized around what you need to do like you said to make sure you can go out here and perform at the highest level and that doesn't mean just the end season that means out of season too like you have to be able to go train.

37:32You have to be able to do all this other stuff. So you can't be sitting there doing all the hometown stuff where you're going here, you're going there, you're hanging out with sellers, doing all that. No, all that could wait. I got a short period of time to make a whole lot of money and I'm trying to do it as long as I can. So the benefits of having a social life and everything else that go along with being able to do that because you got more money, no, that's going to have to wait. I can make all this money and then we can go chill later and figure that out now, but I'm not going to go and take away from training that I could be doing here, improvements that I could be doing here because we want to have a barbecue or a grill out.

38:09No, I got to do something else.

38:11James Harrison:And at this time, Debo, when you're actually like, when you're putting in this time, when you're getting drafted and you're first, like, say you're getting drafted to your hometown, you're going home to all the grandparents, all the family, and you don't know how to say no. And you want to make sure everybody's good. And you just, that whole time is a difficult time when people first get to the league. So I think being able to kind of get away a little bit, establish your own self-knowing, you do have to be a little selfish because it's not all about, it's not all about, it's not all about, it's not all about the stuff that the game brings you because now we're here.

38:48James Harrison:Now we can like you, everybody else, like when they will come to, like when people come to the games, it is a party. When they come to the games, I can't talk. before the game because now this is my this is what all this stuff is for you know i'm saying i worked my tail off to get it to this point so it's game day is very not not stressful but it's really it's not funny it's nothing to be talking what we joking about like i'm locked in until after the game when the game is over oh we're in for all the jokes all the key can i have to study i have to make sure the last little tidbits if on this third and two i'm making sure i know okay the slant is coming if we lined up like this.

39:26James Harrison:Like we're doing the last previous checks because all that OTAs, all that mini camp, all that training camp, all these practices, all these meetings that we're sitting in there going over it, it's for the show. All this other stuff is not, it doesn't mean nothing unless I don't perform it on this Sunday at the show. So like the quicker that we realize, like it's fun with NFL, but like, oh my goodness, it's real out here. Take it very seriously. It's get cut. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is why all this is happening. The more you can make that about, like, and how long can you play? It's not forever.

40:01James Harrison:So when you're playing football, as a kid, oh, no, it's all good. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's not all good. We got to be locked in, because we will get cut. No question. The average NFL career, three and a half years, right, Joe? Come on, man. What are we talking about? What are we talking about? This shit is not forever, and it's Not long. And that averages with guys like you doing what? 12. You got guys like you doing 12. You got cats like me doing fake tickets. You got other cats like Jerry doing twanky. You know what I'm saying? Outliers. Those are averaging to the guy that didn't even make a year three.

40:39Didn't even make a year two. He went practice squad and didn't. And he came back the next year, got released. You only go practice squad for a year. A year and four games, I think it is. After that, that's it. You got to make a regular roster.

40:52James Harrison:Got to start performing. Start performing, Joe. Start performing. Hit the Super Chat. Coming live. $10. She said, Joe, as a DB, what worries you the most in week one? A mobile quarterback or a team that don't have a lot of fresh film on opening day? Steelers versus Falcons, Browns versus Jaguars. Who's winning their first game? Joe? A team with a mobile quarterback or a team that don't have more. If the team got a mobile quarterback, I'm not worried about them as much as a DB. If they can throw and run just as good, you know what I'm saying? I mean, that's just tough for our overall defense in general.

41:39James Harrison:But if I don't have a lot of film on the team, I kind of – sometimes that's not bad. I just want to go – we're going to play base. We're going to not just try to jump stuff and try to anticipate what's going on. You're going to play good on good. you're going to have to come out here and beat me. Like, we can get comfortable. We get into the flow of the game to now. Okay, you kind of get, okay, this is what they're doing. You kind of get a little feel. But the mobile quarterback is kind of more tough than if you don't have no film. If I don't have no film, I'm going fresh on you. And then opening day, Steelers, obviously Steelers.

42:08James Harrison:Browns versus Jags. Okay, yeah, obviously Browns.

42:14You said Jags? No, I said Browns. I said Browns. No, I'm saying y 'all play the Jags. You know what I mean? Jacksonville you know who over there who they got a quarterback

42:30James Harrison:come on man we got the super chat I answered the question alright alright my bad I'm sorry I'm sorry about that Covenant Life back again Covenant Life she said Debo if you're in the locker room before the Falcons game what message are you giving the defense about punching Atlanta in the mouth early. Full throttle, Debo, because I need them to win. I'm being bullied by the fans. Game one, Debo. Game one. Game one. I mean, that's a simple one. What's the defense? What you going to tell them? What you going to tell them? Oh, you just go out there and you play still the ball. You reestablish what it is.

43:11They're like, Debo, what's up?

43:13James Harrison:They're like, Debo, go break us down, Debo. Oh, no. No. No. Like I said, I don't go into that. You just can't go. You're not seeing me already. I'm locked in. Boo, boo, boo, boo. That's it. Alignment assignment technique. Don't get pushed back. Alignment assignment technique. Do not get your ass pushed back. Do your job and help your partner later. It's simple, bro. Go out here and show them exactly what Pittsburgh Steelers defense football look like. Make sure they feel every motherfucking bit of it. Okay. Win, lose, or draw, man, I just need y 'all to know that you coming up out of this motherfucker lumped up.

43:59You gonna take a few.

44:02James Harrison:Listen. You gonna take a few. You ain't, listen, you ain't coming over here with none of that bullshit. Like, you ain't. Okay. Okay. Okay.

44:14Foxy Mama. 4-2. four, three, two, one. Five dollars. She said, Debo, what happened to you and Ocho fighting? Still waiting on the workout for the females. With the workout for the females, it ain't going to come for a minute. Now, we got to get that whole thing set up. We got to get that whole thing set up. You got to do it right. You got to do it right now.

44:34James Harrison:That's why. You got to do it right. Got to do it right. You just can't throw it together. You just can't throw it together. You got to do it right. You know? But the fight with Ocho, I don't know. I don't know what happened. You know, I just, my mama told me I couldn't beat him up. Mama told me, she said, don't do nothing to that little man. She said, you going to hurt him. And, you know, I just, I don't know, man. He only a couple pounds more than Jaden Damage. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to do nothing to hurt the man. You know what I'm saying? You just, families, you just chose not to resort to violence on him.

45:08You know what I'm saying? Like, man got kids and all that, man. Yes. But I'm just, I'm just, I'm trying, I'm trying to take the other road. I appreciate it. But if you keep asking for it, if you don't really want to. I don't want to do it. I don't want to do it. Don't force me. He'd be perfect. Because if you force me to do it, then I'm a forgiving man. I'm a merciful man. A merciful man. You know what I'm saying? They call me Bumpy Johnson. They say you're a merciful man. You know what I'm saying? I don't know.

45:50Helksanti, we have$5. It said, Joe, a cool jersey, Joe, fits you better than the one on the wall behind you. See?

45:59James Harrison:That's where, that's a Pro Bowl jersey. When I was with the, that's a Browns Pro Bowl jersey. That's a Pro Bowl jersey. That jersey is fire. This jersey's 5 '2". Joe, what's on the Pro Bowl jersey? It's on the sleeve, man. It's a little brown. It's a brown, but it's a Pro Bowl jersey. The main whole jersey is a Pro Bowl jersey. And then the team that I played on is just represented on the sleeve. Hey, listen, man. Hey, listen. My guy right here, Terrell Tisdale, said, why, in the chat right here, he said, why don't y 'all like the video? 225 watching and not even 100 likes. Y 'all are shaming.

46:45Hey, you watching, but you ain't liking. Is they not liking? Help your boy out. Terrell, I appreciate you, Tisdale. I appreciate that. I appreciate you, baby. 100.

46:58James Harrison:Terrell, a real one, Debo. Mike, Mike. Mike, Mike. Listen, he said Debo and Joe entertaining and shit. The least y 'all can do is hit the like button. Mike, Mike, tell him. Come on, man. Hit the like button. I'm out here fighting with me and Debo. Help your boys. We out here. Help us. You so are light.

47:27Joe, man, listen, brother. We want to thank you guys, man, for joining us on this episode of Debo Joe, please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your show.

47:38James Harrison:Joe. Yo. We will see you on Friday, same time, same place. We appreciate you. We out. And we out.

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