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25:27Seeing if it works so they can do some stuff, but like, no, what you're going to do is switch your right foot and forward and be a left foot. I'm like, If it doesn't feel like, then it's been planned a certain way his whole life. You know what I'm saying? So I like the fact of just trying to give him an inch or just trying to give him a little something that can help him out. But if that thing really, if it doesn't, you know what I'm saying, being comfortable to be like, okay, like you just can't. I don't want like a force change. Put your other foot forward because your ass is out there throwing it crazy.

25:56I'm like, hold on. And now what if it doesn't make him feel good? Like when I had to press and you're saying they would tell you, Joe, like, put your foot up here or something. I'm like, okay, I like it as an option, as a change up, but like maybe that shit doesn't feel right. You know what I'm saying? I still, I know how I can get there. Do you know what I'm saying? Okay, I understand what you're saying, but if his throwing mechanism or his throwing mechanisms is always that his whatever foot is back, why not start you in that position? So as soon as you catch, it's gone. I ain't got to flip my foot.

26:24It's already there. It's a millisecond. No, I feel you. I feel you. I feel you. It just, the quarterbacks being in the spots for a long, I'm like, if it's a millisecond of him being able to get the ball out faster and he's not making a big deal about it, then it's not a big deal. And you got Justin. He's saying, you know what, it's not really that big a difference. You know, he's saying it's not much of a change. It's not, you know, it's not too much of a difference. You know what I'm saying? And now, if that works and he's able to get that ball out a little faster, like you said, every second counts.

26:57Every inch counts. Every millisecond counts. It don't matter, you know. It's the difference between having the ball tipped or picked or getting it through and having a touchdown or, you know, so on and so forth. No, for sure. Like, milliseconds, you want to gain as much as you can. So if that ends up having this foot back so we can get the three-step, the one-step, you know what I'm saying, quick game, out faster, solid. Yeah, yeah, I understand that. So, I mean, you know, as long as Justin is saying it's not that big of a difference. Now, if he goes to where he's like, yo, you might be going a little bit too much where you're trying to change mechanics and all that other stuff, that's different.

27:45You can't go in because, oh, I want him to, you know, throw it with his hands at a certain level because that's going to be. no, you can't have a dude running around like this all day. You know what I'm saying? You've been throwing that thing for 4 ,000 yards, brother. Right, right. I can understand foot placement because if you're, like you said, if you're going and you're switching your feet, and that's like me, like lining up on the outside. I always lined up with a little bit of a tilt, and I have my foot to where it's my outside foot a little wider. Why do I do that? Because if I got back and forth, I don't want to have to go ahead, and the first thing I need to do is lift up my outside foot and move it out.

28:23if i gotta do that right i'm starting in the hole if i already got that foot sitting there now when he goes to step to me i don't have to rush to try and read it i could take my time now i see him stepping to me now i can take that foot and jam him instead of me stepping out i'm stepping 45 at him and now i'm cutting down that that edge and now i'm making it tighter so it gives me a better chance of actually making the play and making it tighter for the other guys to be able to get there where if you're a guy that's just you know you're just lining up there you're just going by the book my outside foot on their foot and and there's no oh yeah you ain't got no power you ain't got you ain't got you ain't got nothing there and now you're sitting there and you got guys that are just they trying to play it so tight because they want to read and hurry up and step and then the tight end give you one of these right here his head in but he step out and now they jump in you know what i'm saying so i'm like yo you ain't got it why are you rushing to to jump down inside.

29:19You got backer anyway. It ain't like you in a six where you got to read him. If you're in a six and you head up, yeah, now I got to read him. And then I tell him that. I say, hey, listen, don't crowd him. Why you want to crowd him? Well, I want to get on him fast. No, he knows where he's going. You don't. Give him some space so that you can see where he's stepping. Now you can go and get to him and use your power to push him back. Because once he goes, that's all he has is the advantage of knowing where he's going. Once you get there, you give him the power, you push into him and lock his ass out and push him back.

29:54It's easy. They want to sit up tight. I'm trying to periodically get there and read him. No, no, no. You're reading him anyway. Your job is to play a six. So that means if he steps out, you go and you jam him and you push him back, you try and shorten the edge. If he step in, you go on. The read means your corner right here, he coming down. So if he goes and try and cut you off, you stay into that C gap, your corner coming down, and he got that outside. You just can't get reached and cut off so fucking fast that now you shorten the edge. And now it allows the tackle to circle around you and get to your corner.

30:28Now we stuck like Chuck. Oh, now I'm now I'm mad. You on fire. I'm like, dang, bro, you got hold up. Why you what you doing? The tackle coming over here to me. Like, I'm sure it's something that you changed when you got into the league as far as like stands. That was something small that actually gave you an advantage. Debo, the thing that you're saying is when we had the tight end, love tight end, like I would try to be right on his outside. I'm like, no, Jody, you need to be two yards wide and four yards back so you can have a little bit more angle to come down and give him some force instead of you trying to come down so close.

31:05And they just knocking me right out to the side. They just pushing you out because you ain't had no force to get him to even stop that momentum. That's what I'm saying. So I was instantly, when I did that, I knew you got to widen up a little bit and then now you're reading him coming down on his outside shoulder tip. When I'm too close, I don't have no power. I need to be able to be back a little bit with the angle so I can see. I need to come down to that and be able to keep my outside arm free. Boom! So I can be able to set the edge. If I'm too close, he can just push me out and there's no edge.

31:33I'm just widening it up. If I can come down and really stamp, boom! Now I know my outside arm free. Nobody's getting outside here. They have to go inside. So just like that legit, widening up a little bit. I was always trying to be tight because I was worried about covering the tight end. and he's trying to run an over route. I'm like, bump that damn over route. Dude, you got speed. You got all that. No, no, no, for sure, for sure. But that's what I'm saying. Just knowing like we always— Make sure that if he going down there to block you, you hold that fucking edge. I need you to come down there with that 45, four yards deep.

32:04I need you. Yes. And if he's going to run a route, he's not going to come like he's going to block you because he's trying to get the hell away from you because he already knows he's at a disadvantage with his speed. Yes. I'm sitting there. Now you got to go— I'm five yards off. You're running. I'm faster than you. So now I'm going to slip anything you try to run. Yes. Listen, man. Now and now. That's ball. When you get that ball talk, B-Bow. That's coaching. Your coach going to tell you that. He going to give you that feedback. Because what the book going to tell you? Hey, outside right here, lined up tight.

32:37You can't do that. Hey, you victim weight. You need to be able to come down here. You got speed that he don't have. Coach Lake said, Jody, you can cover that overall every time, but that crack, you got to get wide. I'm like, you're right. And what year was that you got that, Joe? What'd you say? What year was that you got that information, Joe? I got that in, well, that was Lake telling me that it's in 2017. Yes, Carnell Lake, Pittsburgh Steelers. What year was that for you, Joe? Year seven? That was seven. Thank you. I was seven. But my man, Coach Jerome Henderson, he was telling me the same thing when we was in.

33:21Henderson was a great coach, too. Coach Jerome Henderson. He was one that taught me this morning, too. I can't lie. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. But I just knew that when Cardinal Lake was just because he was telling everybody, no, what you need to do is you got to widen out. So everybody's on the same page. Nobody's tight. Everybody's looking the same. Get four and two so you can come down there and set that edge. I'm like, yes. Thank you, Coach Lake. Now everybody won't be looking crazy. No question. And here's the crazy thing. Sit at that four and two when you got that corner blitz. Why? Because now they're thinking you're covering.

33:52You take off and snap. It looked the same. It looked the same. But guys, when you get down here, they so fidgety to try and get to their blitz, they done gave every goddamn thing away. I'm out of there. Love it. Good question, brother. Let's jump into the super chats. What we got, coach? We got Covenant Life. She back with$10. Yes, Covenant. She said, hello, guys. Hello, Covenant. Happy anniversary to you and your beautiful wife, Joe. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. She said, Debo, I would love seeing you in a suit and tie. Why? Because them... Covenant. Uh-oh. Covenant. Covenant. What she said, Debo?

34:36I don't have a super check. Because them thighs were burst out like 1970s. Cove to Life. Cove to Life. Cove to Life talking about my man Debo got 1000 quads. Yes, our sister in Christ. We love her. We love her. She's just talking, guys. She's just talking. Oh, my God. And she's just talking. Cove to Life is back again. She want to see them quads in the dress pants, Debo. She want to see them busting out them quads. Busting quads out in the dress pants. Joe. We got Cove to Life back again. $20. She said, I challenge you both for Ice Bucket Challenge for Johnson. We got y 'all. Oh, fast. She said, I have enjoyed seeing NFL greats support ALS.

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39:53Dean, talking about as a kid. Do you remember that we met even way before that? Let me think. Did you walk up to the gate? That was me, Dean. That was you? That was me. The day we found out that you and the whole crew was at Hit Factory, the mission was to get me to go to the gate, start freestyling, and see if I could get in the studio. I'm rapping, and then suddenly, I hear a voice. Hey, open the gate. Let him in. The gate slowly went. They all, they're watching this, and they watch me walk into there, and that is a moment that I will remember for the rest of my life. Listen and laugh but not least with MC Jen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

40:30Listen, Troy, Troy, Troy liked to eat. Joe, if you can bling that hat out, it could be in coming to America 3. She's talking about the hat she was wearing. Yeah. Yeah. And you know what else I got? I got bean pies too. You got bean pies. Yep. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. It's all Covenant Life. Covenant Life, she back. She back. She back full go. She back full go. Covenant Life again,$5. She said, Joe, be honest. Does the Browns training camp start with this is our year, or do they wait until day two?

41:17Joe. We not. This is the thing, though, Covenant. We're not just crazy. So if I see us looking weak, I'm going to let us know early. Right now, I'm happy. I'm trying to see what it's looking like I told you. Eight to ten. You know what I'm saying? So that's not, I'm not saying this is our year. We're not delusional. You know what I'm saying? We're building. I get it. Okay. Okay. Covenant Light back again,$20. She said, James, which current brown do you think? think could survive one of your training camp practices without tapping out if you walked into the browns camp wearing a stiller's hoodie would they escort you out or ask for your autograph i don't know you had to ask joe that like like if they would they ask you would they escort me out joe or would they would they ask for the autograph it depends if you if you with me or if you just showed up to the premises unannounced if you go unannounced they might escort you but you come with your dog, they're going to open arms.

42:21They might jump me. Hey, Debo, man, you be talking crazy, but they ain't going to jump you there. No, no, no, no. Definitely not. Not with me present. Oh, that's what it is? Nobody's putting hands on my dog, Debo. Are you kidding me? Not if I got anything to do with it, Debo. Okay. Let's go. Let's go, man. We got 272 watching in the chat right now, man. We only got 125 likes. Where y 'all at? like that hat like the linen see I couldn't even go home and throw on the jersey I had to throw on a little linen ain't nothing wrong with that ain't nothing wrong with that ain't nothing wrong with that Joseph yes sir yes sir Heckle Sandy$5 said Debo who are your top five rushers that you molded your skills out there I don't have a top five rushers that I mowed my skills after.

43:20I have one dude that I mowed my skills after, and it's the late, great Kevin Green. Kevin Green came in and showed us the bull rush. He showed us the speed bull. Speed bull. You go from speed to bull, and then you go from speed to a fake bull, and that's what I used my whole career. Kevin Green came in and taught me that. And it changed the whole trajectory of my career from him coming in and doing that. Like, dude, he was giving us the bull. Like, we watched his tape, dude, of how he would bull rush dudes. And you're seeing, you're like, he's bull rushing, like, the big giant tackles. You know, dudes that was 360.

43:59Man, boom, boom, handing him, getting up. He's like, here, it's three-step, boom. It's five-step, boom. boom. He's like, and then this three-step, make it look like you go bull him, slap, rip. And that's what I used my whole career, dude. He had everybody bull rushing. We was bull rushing cats so tough, bro, that after Kevin left, Coach, Coach Kyra was like, hey, ain't no more bull rushing in practice in the rush drill. Like, y 'all got to stop bull rushing. Y 'all got to use some moves. Dude, We was bull rushing the dog piss out of them running backs, bro. The one-on-ones when you do them, bro.

44:41Killing them. Backs on backers? Yes. Backs on backers, bro. Bull rush. Boom. That was so messed up. Bro. Yeah, it was. And then, you know, you got to bull rush every once in a while because they're going to sit light on you. You know what I'm saying? They're going to sit light. You got to go ahead and do it. You know what I'm saying? But when Coach said they ain't allowed no bull rushing, the boys started sitting light again. So, you know, we had to pitch one in there every now and then. blah blah yeah you know what i'm saying let them know don't y 'all thinking it's sweet you're gonna get bored that's what that's just what happens no question we got carlos avarez seven hundred dollar mexican pesos come on 100 pesos yes said i'm not a doctor but i get physicals And so I used I used to cringe watching Shazier spear opponents.

45:34Our coaches. Our coaches particularly.

45:43Culprits for bad tackling form. Sorry for the sensitive topic. Coaches are not culprits for bad tackling form. Some people just get into a habit of maybe lowering their head. And then sometimes it's not about you having bad tackling habits. You may just hit somebody the wrong way. You come in and, you know, that was a timing thing. He's not looking to actually hit that guy with his head. He was looking to get his head across. But, you know, when you obviously lower your head, then you put yourself in a position that it's going to, you know, that's going to go down through your spine. So it's not that he was, I don't think he was taught bad tackling.

46:32I think it was just a situation where, you know, the timing of what happened and all that. And then some guys, you know, you go in there and you're trying to protect yourself. And that's really what it comes down to. And some guys, as we say, I tell guys, put your face in the fan. Like, you got to put your face in the fan. What that mean? I want you to see what you hit. So when I tell my sons, I say, hey, this right here, put this on them. Why put this on them? Because if you put this on him, you're seeing what you're hitting. I don't want you putting this because now you're lowering your head.

47:10You put this, you still protect yourself. You put your neck at that 45, which means now when you hit, you bow back like this instead of dropping your head like this. And now it jams down where you hit here, the brow, it bows back. So that's something that I'm real like, hey, see what you hit. Put that brow on and put your face in the fan. Yep. and you know nobody is taught to you know lure their head nothing like that it just it some guys lure their head lower than they should because of just it's just out of habit and you're able to get away with it for so long that it now becomes how you tackle and it's hard to to you know to change up after you've been doing it so long so here's the issue is that you know you're being taught as a child by somebody who is probably trying to live their dream through you because they want to coach at the level where like our best coaches should be at the at the level of kids why because i want to teach you the proper way that's the whole reason i never let my kids play context until i was able to see what they were being taught you know and and i ain't gonna lie they were teaching some things that was just out of control like get your head out the way and grab and tackle and let him know no no put your head across why because it's harder for them to run through all of this get up across than it is for them to run through this and now you're taking a chance of now you got guys that's getting shoulder issues all that you're tearing up shoulders why because you're trying to tackle his whole body and stop him here and getting your head out of it it doesn't it you know it it's not it's not conducive to having a long career, dude.

48:57It's just not. I mean, I know they love you. Heads up, get your head out the way. Head out the way? Nah. That's tackling the bag behind. You know how you do they roll the donut and now you tackle it behind? No, that's head across. I'm like, go ahead and do your drill so you can do your heads up certification that they got to get to be able to do what they want to do. But when it comes time for the actual real stuff, they got to do so much of that throughout the course of the year and then really teach them how to tackle to protect themselves. You know what I'm saying? So that they don't go out there and get hurt.

49:28Yep. Because, I mean, even from a jit, when we were playing Little League, when you were, and coaches would never want you to, when you, you got to see what you hit. And it will be, it happens fast. Like when you're playing and then, boom, when you're a kid, like you instantly, with your head down, you would hear your coach, whoa, whoa, whoa, head up, head up. Get your head out of there. Like, that's just something. But when you're playing, sometimes, then when your head hits that, you're, the helmet is messing people up. Like when we were Little League, Like dudes that are smaller dudes, they come down there and they know if you get hit with your helmet at the crown, you're going to fold the other person.

50:02So it is like it's just it's a safety thing big time. But coaches definitely don't. I've never heard a coach really like pushing that. They always want to tell you, whoa, whoa, whoa, because it can't you'll get away with it until you until you don't. You know, right. And that's the problem. As a kid, you can get away with it because your bones aren't and your power, the speed that you come with isn't as significant as it is as you get older and you get faster and you get stronger. Now you done got into a thing where you done got through it through peewees. You done got through it through high school.

50:32And now you get into college and now these dudes is fast. They're strong. And you can't get away with that stuff all the time. And sometimes you get that stinger, you know what I'm saying? And now, okay, cool, you got the stinger or whatever, but at what point do you actually be taught the correct way? And sometimes guys don't get that teaching and get it reinforced with being like, hey, get your head up. Get your head up. Get your head up. If I see you out there dropping your head again, I'm going to pull your ass up out the game. I got to. Because you're going to get hurt. Yes. It's not about if, it's when.

51:08It's not if or when. Yeah, for sure. Covenant Life. Troy Palou is my dog. It's a dog. So it's Paolau is her dog. He's a puppy. She named him after Troy? Yes, I don't understand that. Paolo? Paolau? I don't know. I don't know. Something like that. Covenant Full Blown Stealer. For sure. For sure. Joe! Yes, sir? Chat. They said they loved your fit today. Thank you, chat. They said, hey, man, they said Joe clean. They said Joe be fresh every episode. Damn. This chat also said. Beat the pants. You know, I got the linen pants on. Hey, listen, man. I got the linen pants on. The jacket with you. You know what I'm saying?

52:06Okay. You know what I'm saying? They said sitting down, though, that you look like Joe Pesci in Home Alone.

52:15I take it. They said you look like a chess piece, Joe. A chess piece of the Monopoly man? Bitch, I take it all. I'm just saying. Just saying. That's all, you know. We got Helsinki back. $5. Said, I'm a, whoa. I'm a paraplegic. so it really hurt me personally to see Shazir lying there after that collision. I know what it was instantly. I knew what it was instantly. Yeah. Well, I think we kind of all knew what it was instantly as he was reaching and couldn't reach for his back and couldn't get there. That's sad, man. That was sad, sad. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. He's out to my dog, Shae. He doing good now.

53:08He doing good now. He doing a whole lot better now, man. He doing a whole lot better. You know what I'm saying? Bully. Prayer is up, Hank Osanti, baby.

53:19Hey, man. How'd you... What up? What happened to you, Hank Osanti? How'd you end up paraplegic? How did you... I'm looking at the chat right now. If you don't get it in there before we get done, man, I'm going to holler at you about it on what's today? Friday? I holler at you on Friday. Look here, guys. We are about we are out of time. We are actually over a little bit. Thank you guys for joining us on this episode of D-Bo and Joe. Please, hey, make sure you like, subscribe, and download. We got 287 in the chat and only 150 likes. I'm going to have to put D-Bo on y 'all. Yes, man. I ain't the one that have to do it.

54:06Look here. let's see if the likes go up in this chat it's 283 now where the likes at man where the love let's get it going come on man come on man heckle santi he was a victim of an assault oh my goodness prayers up baby prayers up bro glad you can be with us man man. Love seeing you here, man. All these episodes, man. Appreciate your support. We'll be praying for you, brother. Continue success, health, all that, man. Joseph. Yes, sir. I'm going to see you on Friday, my good brother. Yes, sir. Same time, same place, brother Debo. Here we go.

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