Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Steelers BIG LOSS to Bills, Shedeur vs. 49ers, Broncos survive Commanders

1 Dec 2025 · 1 h 5 min · 24 chapters

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In short

Debo and Joe react to multiple NFL games, focusing mainly on the Steelers’ 7-26 loss to the Bills (and the defensive breakdown), then briefly discussing Shedeur Sanders vs. the 49ers and the Broncos surviving the Commanders in overtime.

Guests/backgrounds

No external guests are interviewed in this transcript. Hosts are James “Debo” Harrison and Joe Hayden, both speaking as former/active football players with firsthand coaching/technique experience.

Key claims

  • Steelers’ defense is “schematically deficient,” with players in roles they can’t execute.
  • Coaching staff is blamed for not getting players to their potential; Tomlin is criticized for coach hiring.
  • Bills repeatedly ran the same “cracker” play to exploit Steelers’ nickel/coverage and run fits.
  • Steelers’ offense is limited, but special teams mistakes and turnovers put the defense in bad positions.

Notable examples

  • Bills’ early drive includes Cooks gains and a punt after Steelers’ defense forces errors.
  • Steelers score first (7-0), but Bills take over with a Mike/knock fumble recovery TD and multiple Cooks runs.
  • Steelers give up 125 rushing yards by halftime; game ends after Bills burn clock (14 plays, 72 yards) to a field goal.
  • Browns game: special teams return/muffed punt lead to touchdowns; Shadour is “making steps,” but needs pocket awareness and fewer overthrows.

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Chapters

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Game Day Recap

2:07 to 2:36

Debo and Joe discuss their experience at the game.

“I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden.”

Analysis of the Steelers' Defense

2:36 to 7:50

In-depth analysis of the Steelers defense during the game.

“I had so much fun watching the game with you, my brother.”

Offensive Struggles and Key Plays

7:50 to 13:32

Discussion on the offensive struggles and critical plays in the game.

“We just missed, I think, Wilson on that third down.”

Game Conclusion and Reactions

13:32 to 14:00

Concluding thoughts and reactions post-game.

“After the half, and Rodgers gets sacked into the depths of hell.”

Analyzing the Steelers' Performance Against the Bills

14:00 to 18:00

Learn about the critical moments and plays that defined the Steelers' loss to the Bills.

“Your boy Mason throw the ball into the ground.”

Coaching Concerns: The State of the Steelers

18:00 to 23:12

Dive into the issues with the Steelers' coaching staff and their impact on player performance.

“The Steelers have issues that I feel we are unable to fix with this current coaching staff, period.”

The Importance of Coaching in Player Development

24:11 to 28:00

Discuss the essential role of good coaching in maximizing player potential and performance.

“That defense did not fit me for my potential of what I was capable of.”

Understanding Defensive Strategies

28:00 to 29:59

Explore the importance of communication and strategy in football defenses.

“So when you got like a really good coach, like he always, like when I had, I say, who I had out there?”

Emotional Reactions to Game Performance

30:00 to 31:14

Discuss the feelings of despair and embarrassment watched during a disappointing game.

“And being in that damn stadium yesterday, Debo, that was one of the saddest times I for sure have ever been in that stadium.”

Analyzing Shador's Performance

31:15 to 34:11

Reflect on Shador's growth as a quarterback amidst team challenges.

“We're having them over there in Cleveland, baby.”
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Team Dynamics and Player Accountability

34:12 to 36:20

Evaluate the accountability among team members and its effects on performance.

“And we're going to grind out these games.”

Media Pressure and Player Responses

36:21 to 37:32

Discuss the impact of media questions on player responses and team dynamics.

“Shador, how many of those two fourths and ones that didn't work?”

Coaching Cohesion and Consistency

37:33 to 41:49

Highlight the need for unified coaching strategies to avoid confusion.

“They know as soon as Shador says something, Anything he does is viral.”

Trash Talk Boundaries in Football

41:50 to 42:00

Debate the acceptable limits of trash talk and its implications on the field.

Trash Talk: What's Off Limits?

42:00 to 47:25

The hosts discuss the boundaries of trash talk in football and personal experiences related to it.

“Shelby Harris over there, he said, he said, I'm surprised that nobody punched him in his jaw yet.”

Punter's Threat: A Unique Encounter

47:25 to 50:35

A humorous discussion about a punter threatening a player, analyzing the context and implications.

“Like, hey, Joe, what you doing if the punter starts talking crazy to you?”

Denver's Super Bowl Chances: A Critical Assessment

51:08 to 55:15

The hosts analyze the Denver Broncos' chances of winning the Super Bowl, discussing team dynamics and performance.

“He got to be thinking real little of you, man.”

Play or Fade: Football Predictions

55:15 to 56:01

The hosts introduce a segment for making predictions related to upcoming football games.

“I'm just, I'm not, I like Bo, but I just don't know.”

Analyzing Team Performance

56:01 to 56:55

Discussion on team consistency and performance metrics.

“Also, that could be a situation where, hey, they playing down.”

Monday Night Football Picks

56:56 to 59:08

Discussion of the lineup for the upcoming Monday Night Football game.

“I made my lineup for my picks for tonight's Monday Night Football game.”

Fan Reactions and Super Chats

59:10 to 1:03:43

Discussion on fan super chats and their comments on the game's performance.

“He said Rogers hasn't thrown a Hail Mary since...”

Coaching and Player Accountability

1:03:44 to 1:09:04

Exploration of coaching responsibilities and player performance expectations.

“But she's talking about just personal fouls every after the game.”

Missing Elements in Coaching

1:09:05 to 1:10:06

Discussion on the lack of effective coaching and strategies in the team.

“Automatic buy-in because now I can see what you're doing.”

Coaching Insights and Fan Reactions

1:10:06 to 1:11:27

Listeners will gain insights into the importance of coaching strategies and fan frustrations.

“I can get to it, but I'm already lined up, head up.”
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Transcript

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2:07Welcome to Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe?

2:20James Harrison:Man, I'm doing good, Debo. I'm not going to lie to you, my good brother. I am a little tired because I was at the game with you yesterday. Yes, sir. I had that 615 flight this morning to get back to my crib so we could be set up and, you know what I'm saying, do the show the way we do it. Of course. But it was amazing. I had so much fun watching the game with you, my brother. Yeah, it was a good time. I ain't going to lie. I mean, the outcome was a good time. The outcome was good. Kicking it with the camaraderie was good. Let's go ahead and get to it. Let's go ahead and get to the game, baby. Let's get to it, D-Bo.

2:47First things first, though. I want to say the Bills set out the two starting tackles. So what does that tell you, Joe? That tells you that they go run the ball. It's quick passing. Yeah. And what do we do to open up the game? We come out and nickel. First play. Cooks goes 19 yards. Why? We got a crack replaced. They're going to make our corners tackle them one-on-one. Yeah. Lopez, he got to come up on that one. Yep. I think they tried to do it again the next play. This time he broke up on it and he made the tackle. Yes. Okay. That's cool. We get to, I think it was second down after that, and we got the regular defense in there.

3:32So we got three big bodies in there. Yep. Able to stop them. I think they only got like a two-yard gain. And then third down, we allowed Cooks to get, what was it, 13? Yep. Okay. First down is a run of one. and they end up getting a false start, which put them behind the chance. I think it was like second and 14. They did a little swing pass and third down. I think it was Echols. You know, he knocked the ball down. Yep. They end up, you know, they end up going and having to punt the ball. And they didn't, you know, we didn't stop them. They stopped themselves. You seemed to be like, oh, it's bend, but don't break.

4:14And I'm like, no, bro. I'm tired of bending. No, I feel you.

4:19James Harrison:I feel you. Wasn't that on the first drive when we got the pick? No, dude. I think that was the play where he just jumped in the air and knocked it down. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I got my, I got my shit a little, my bad, my bad. But no, you're right. That was, that was it. Cause he actually made the interception. He made the pick. That was a good zone. He fell into it. Yes. Yes. Cause the receiver stopped running on that one. And if he had kept running, he would have went on ahead and he would have just, worst case, it might have been a breakup or whatever. So we ended up getting the ball.

4:54James Harrison:He did a good job on that. Oh, no question. You know what I'm saying? No question. We like to say when you don't do it, we're going to let you know. When you do do what you're supposed to do, boom, that's how you look in that zone. He actually caught it. He stopped it from hitting the ground and all that. Yes. So that's good. I think DK got out there. The first one, we hit him on a short one. He went for eight. Yes. I believe Warren ended up picking up the first down. I believe it was, was it the next play or two plays later? He went second. He second down, he got like right to the line. And then they said, like, where are the inches?

5:25James Harrison:He ran it again. Okay. And then we had like a two-yard loss on the next play. 81 ain't touching nobody, bro. Yeah. Like, second, it was a screen. And third down, it was a nice throw. He just couldn't make it. He couldn't. Yeah, that was good defense. Tredavious White was rolling in his face. But that's the other thing, too. I love Austin, but, like, is he your number two? If that's going to be our number two, that's not it. You got to make it. You got to make that. You got to make it. I'm looking at Tee Higgins. Tee Higgins is going to make that. He's going to, like, look, right off the top of his head, like a usual catch.

5:59Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to make that. We end up hunting the ball. Buffalo get back out there. I think it was Cooks for eight. Then Cooks for five. And then the first. And Davis probably got him some. Yes. And then we get to the first down, and Davis got him 15. Yes. 95 gets cut off, dude. Like, the next play, he, like, got tossed up out of there almost. That's the one. And 94 got blocked by the tight end, bro. He got almost double reached to where the tight end blocked him. And, of course, the DBs, they didn't come down the field. Like, when you're playing in that nickel stuff, like, your DBs have to come field, dude.

6:39James Harrison:They get 12 yards on that. You got like Mike Hilton. You got to be ready to shoot. You got to be ready for that tackle. Because especially if it's a run-heavy team, you got to be ready to rejuke. Why are we in that defense? I know. I know. I feel you. Because right there, that's not a good. We need to be another backer. Or like you said, big lineman in the gym. Yeah. And then the next play, you see, they go to run to Cam. Cam actually hits, separates, holds his gap. Yes. Can't make it there. Herbert comes through. He makes the play. That's how it's supposed to fill out. Okay? The next play, they end up getting a false start again, which sits behind the chains.

7:17Thank you for helping us out. We need that. Helping us out. I believe another screen. Third and long, we got some pressure to him. And I believe it was fourth down, they tried to get us to jump, whatever they couldn't, and they punt the ball. We get out there. Yeah.

7:36James Harrison:It was, I mean, we stopped. At the beginning of the game, we got stops. You know what I'm saying? We stopped them. We stopped. Good defense, we stopped them. Good defense is not the word to say. Stopping them is the word to say. Stillers get out there. We go three and out. We just missed, I think, Wilson on that third down. That's a bad ball. I mean, he's one and one. He had them beat. You know what I'm saying? He had them beat the show by a good two steps. Yeah. How to hit that. That's three and out. Yeah. I mean, you can't hit them all. I understand. Man, you got to hit one. We can't afford to miss stuff like that.

8:10We ain't hit none. You know what I'm saying? But the defense comes out after they force a three and out. That's good. Yes, they do. Still, let's get back out there. I think we got like a 12-yard run on second down, and then we get stopped again. We punt the ball back to him. Yep. Second down, Cooks, he goes for like 13. Cook goes for 13. Yep. And then Allen scrambled up out of that for six on the first down. I believe the next two plays, they were able to pick up the first down, running the ball. And then Herb, hey, he comes through and makes a play.

8:52James Harrison:We recover it. Bro, Debo, that's just still, like you said, not good, but they're not scoring any points. They're not getting on the board at all. So we could be mad at like the crack replaces. You know what I'm saying? that people need to – dudes are still getting tossed out the way. That's not happening. But zero. You know what I'm saying? We still get a – okay, boom. Back to the up. First play, we hit DK, 14. That's great. We get the second down. We get a short pass to Gainwell. He takes it 17. Yes. That's great. I think we first in goal at like the eight. We end up picking up like seven. The little screen to warn.

9:32Yeah. And then third down, we score. It's 7-0. I'm feeling good. I ain't going to lie. Bro, we in the sweet turn.

9:41James Harrison:I ain't going to lie. We turn. We turn. Don't lie. We in that though. Like, yeah. I was turned. I ain't going to lie. I was turned a little bit. I was turned. I ain't going to lie to you. I ain't going to lie to you. Okay. We get back out there. The defense get back out there. And we're in nickel again. 14 yards on the first down. Like, dude, you, why are we in nickel? I don't understand. You got these DBs thinking that they go come down here and feel this thing. The reason why we're in nickel is because they have three receivers in the game. I understand that, but they also don't have their starting tackles.

10:20James Harrison:You saw what they were going to do. I feel you. I'm just saying why they would do it. But then when the game's going on and you're understanding, they're not throwing it to these dudes. We only need to have two corners in. Thank you. You know what I'm saying? They're swapping because they're crack replacing. They're making him, they're making a corner. He's not used to getting down there, having to react to that. Now he's already worried about his coverage anyway. Oh, a thousand percent. So he's trying to make sure that it is what it is. And by the time he does that, he's already up on you. You're a little late.

10:46James Harrison:Yeah, he up on you. For sure. For sure. I'm with you a thousand percent. Second down, Allen shook a sack. I don't know how. He scrambled for four. And then a run, you know, for the first down. I think the next, he runs for the first down the next play. An actual run. like we get to I believe it was like third and eight they do a quick pass that picks up nine that's the one two to the straight to the flat that's like a cover two I'm looking at my man you gotta you can't let if you're the flat defender you can never get out widened by anybody nobody can out with you you got to be the widest person out there so I see he was trying to look at the tight ends running up the field for like a seven route you got to be able to do both of those but you got to start backing up and widening so you can be coming down to that play.

11:31James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? Right. It's just, yeah. Yeah. It's automatic. Like that's just what it is, dude. First down, they get a seven yard run because 78 is playing peekaboo with the running back. You can't do that. Stay in your gap and stay. Anytime you switch back and forth, a running back like Cook is going to make you wrong. And that's what he did. He made him wrong. Because you both of those holes aren't yours. Because you take one, and then your linebacker is going to get the other one. Second down, Allen shake another sack and scrambles. And then he converts the first down. After that, we lose Queen on that play.

12:10And what did I tell you, Joe? I said it was about to get ugly. Yeah, you did. I said it was about to get ugly. Next play, four yards, was it, by Cooks? It was called forced to DB to tackle. He did what he was supposed to do. But you're forcing a DB to do something that's out of the realm of his play, of his position, down in and down out.

12:35James Harrison:Yes. They're making him turn. The Bills are making him into a linebacker. That's what their thing is. We are making him into a linebacker. The Bills, just with that running game. Yes. Dude, they ran the same play like 20 times. Brother, that's what I'm trying to say. They kept running that cracker place. And the very next play, they did the same thing. Yes. Because he gets nine. Because he went in. Joey, he's not. He's lined up like head up to his tight end. You need to get on that outside shoulder because as soon as he starts cracking down, if you don't get off of his tush and run down there and come right on and close the space, you got cooked with all that grass.

13:08James Harrison:You're in a disadvantage, my brother. You know what I'm saying? So you got to widen out and get down there and get ready for it. And like you said, one time he might try and shake you. The other time he's going to drop his helmet. He's going to drop it on you, for sure. We're able to hold them because they end up getting a false start. Thank you. They're helping. They were helping us. They got to kick the field goal. It's halftime. It's 3-7. But, bro, we done gave up 125 yards rushing at halftime. Yeah. Yeah. It was the same play. It was the same play. After the half, and Rodgers gets sacked into the depths of hell.

13:43Knocks Mike. Knocks the. Fumble recovery for a touchdown. We're down 7-10.

13:52James Harrison:This happened so fast, Debo. I didn't know what was going on. It just... Bro, I just hollered, bro. I'm just... No! Like, I was in a horror movie, bro. You did. I was like, no. I'm like, did I just holler that? Yeah, dang. Okay. We get back out there. I think it was like second to 11. They... Your boy Mason throw the ball into the ground. We end up getting a first down because... Unsportsmanlike Conduct. Unsportsmanlike Conduct for 15. They was looking out for us sometimes in this game. Yeah, the Bills. The Bills, that's what I'm saying. And then second down, Mason throws the ball to Buffalo. Like he was actually trying to miss the receiver and put it over him so he could tiptoe on the sideline and catch it, bro.

14:41James Harrison:It was three people over there, brother. It was three people over there. Three of the Bills players over there and one Mount Washington. And we overthrew him. How tall is he, like 600? 100? He's at least, bro, he got to be 6 '8". He got to be 6 '8", 3 '11". Buffalo get out there thinking with second down the tight end is sitting there so open he just lays down on the ground and catches the ball on his butt. Yeah. Again, first down. We're in nickel again. He go Cooks for six. Second down. Still nickel. Same play. Same play, bro. 31. Same play for 31. To the seven. Same play. We get them to fourth and one.

15:25They score the touchdown. Yep. They missed the extra point. 16 to seven. We come out there and go three and out. Bills, get back out there, bro. First down. Seven. Allen connects on the next one for 10. Second and nine. Allen scrambles for 11. Dude, this is the first time I've ever seen Jalen Ramsey's body language. Just disappointed, disgusted at what he's looking at. Like, what's going on? Then it's a 13-yard run, and 50 is supposed to be this run stopper. He can't stop the run if they don't run it straight at him. It don't look like he can move. And again, Jalen is like, what the freak is going on, bro?

16:21It's another 10. And on second down, when I see him make that tackle for that five yard, he just looks at the sideline, bro. And it's like, he's like, what are we even doing, bro? Yeah. They end up converting on a fourth and two. and then I think it was second down. They get a short pass to Cooks and he takes it, what, 16? Third and goal. Allen runs it in for the touchdown. 20. He de-bowed his way in there. Bruh, yes. Like, they help. Do I sound funny? No, bruh. It's 23 to 7 now. We get back out there, and I'm just hoping something happens. First snap. You can't make it up, Deebo. You can't. We're able to move the ball a little bit because they're playing prevent defense.

17:22And then when we get down there inside the 20, they say, okay, we're going to start playing real defense. And we get stopped on fourth down. It's Turner over on downs. Buffalo comes out there, bro, and then goes. 14 plays, 72 yards. They burn off nine minutes of clock and kick a field goal. It's 26 to seven. The game is over. Bruh. We got issues. We got big issues. You go ahead. The Steelers have issues that I feel we are unable to fix with this current coaching staff, period. The defense gave up last night. And I personally feel like they didn't give up because that's who they are. but they just feel like they cannot win with this defense because it is 100 % schematically deficient bro and it's players in positions that cannot execute the role of that position and as much as I hate to say this I have never been a person that thought coach Tomlin was a great coach.

18:55I thought he was a good coach. And I'll be honest. Part of that is because when I was slated to be the starter, when Joey left, he drafted one and two outside linebackers. And I was actually behind one of them for a minute. Okay. But right now, we have coaches on this staff, and that's it. And when I say coaches, I'm saying this as a coach is someone that tells you what to do. And it doesn't matter if what they're telling you to do is right or wrong. That's what a coach does. We have coaches. Okay? A good coach gets you to play to your potential. And right now, the players we have on that team, I have seen play.

19:51I know they can do it. I have seen them do it. And they're not playing up to their potential. And a great coach, a great coach, a great coach gets you to play beyond your potential. My potential for me as an undrafted free agent was a special teams player for life. But Keith Butler was my linebacker coach. And he got me to play beyond my potential. He was a great coach. Dick LeBeau was a great defensive coordinator. He got our defensive players to play beyond their potential. And right now, we can't even play to it. So you tell me where there is a good coach on this staff, because right now I don't see anybody playing to their potential.

20:54Mike Tomlin is in control of hiring coaches. OK, and he may not be the one coaching the position, but he is in position to hire the coaches to get the potential out of our players. And right now he has not put coaches in the position that can get the potential out of what it is that we have, because I know what T .J. Watt can do. I know what Cam Hayward can do. I've seen what Alex Highsmith can do, brother. I've seen Jalen Ramsey, Patrick McQueen. I can go on and on, but I'm not seeing it. Why?

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24:04James Harrison:Visit BajaMar.com today and discover a vacation destination where memories are made for a lifetime. Baja Mar, life spectacular. And I go back to this. 2013, I went to Cincinnati, bro. And I played in a 4-3 defense. That defense did not fit me for my potential of what I was capable of. And because I was not a player that fit that scheme, that didn't work for me. Right now, we have a lot of players that are not fit for the scheme that we run. The interior defensive linemen have to hold up to the run because we're supposed to be a 3-4 defense, bro. Which means the linebackers are there to make the plays, but they can't make the plays if the D-line is in their lap half the time.

25:04okay something has to be done bro and i know the stillers historically don't move on from coaches but i think it's time that history be made because right now the only history we're making is being the worst pittsburgh stillers team statistically almost in the history of the organization. And when I think about this, bruh, and you go back and you look at the chief, Art Rooney Sr., where he took this franchise from and to, and then Dan Rooney continued the legacy and to see it where it is now is incomprehensible, bruh. the legacy of the 1970s steel curtain defenses to the Blitzburg defense of the 2000-2010.

26:08And to see what it looks like now is unbelievable. Are we going to be the Dallas Cowboys where every year the fans talking about we them boys and we go win the Super Bowl? but you ain't never been in the Super Bowl in the last 30 years. Joe. I'm going to be a Stiller fan for life, bro. But I like to be a Stiller fan that believes we can win a game and doesn't just hope we can win a game. And right now, I done lost hope.

26:51James Harrison:Damn. Deebo. Oh, bro. Damn, Debo. Like, because I'm not, look, this is what I'm not going to do. I don't want to say nothing crazy because then I want you to crash out. I want to say, what can I say right now, honestly, Debo, to support, for support? I'm just asking as a friend. Bro, I don't even need support, bro. I just need, I just, I just, bro, I don't know what I need. I need something done. You need something done. If we don't do anything, we are saying we are okay. This is okay. What is going on, what has been going on. So this is what I'm going to tell you too, D-Bo. Exactly what you're saying with the coaching part is I understand that wholeheartedly.

27:35James Harrison:Like coaches can make me, I've had terrible coaches where I'm like, you're not helping me at all. You're actually harming my, you're not making me any better. You're not, you're kind of putting confusion into my head. You're not, you're making me think twice. And that's what's going to slow a player down quicker than anything. If you don't know what, like, no, you got a great coach that's going to teach you technique. That's going to teach you where you need to be, where your eyes need to be. And teach you, what's the word? Annuances? What's the word? Nuances. Nuances. There we go. The nuances of your defense.

28:09James Harrison:So when you got like a really good coach, like he always, like when I had, I say, who I had out there? AG, Aaron Glenn. Aaron Glenn was my DB coach. Played in the league, had 40-some picks. That was Keith Butler to me, dude. I'm listening to that man. Every word he says out his mouth because at the same time, he's not telling me nothing that I don't think is possible and nothing that he'd never done before. Exactly. So it's like, okay, back. Boom, Joe, you got to be able to do this. And then if I don't do something, he's able to still understand, recognize, and talk to me. So those coaches, they can help you out so much with slants, splits, telling you legitimately what's going to happen going into the game with how to watch tape, how to prepare.

28:46James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? Really the real pro stuff. Some other coaches, like, they just really – and then when I say this too, your staff, your linebacker coach, your safety coach, your corner coach, everybody has to be speaking the same language. Thank you. It doesn't need to be – I know we're not speaking the same language. You're right. It's completely right, Debo. And that's not going to work because that's not – people aren't moving fast. there needs to be, this is the way it's done. This is the way we're doing it. Everybody sees it. The whole defense should be able to sit in the team, in a meeting, and be able to cornerback know just what's going on.

29:23You know what I'm saying? When we played, when Coastal Bow was there, we broke down. We broke down defense as a unit, bro. Like, you got to see who was doing what, who was doing this. Dude, that got separated into each unit doing their own thing. And now, you know, you get the call outs of, oh, that person should have did this and that. No, bro. Like, let's go ahead and break this down. You know, and you was even there in Pittsburgh where there's times where, dude, we may not even watch the film. We may not even watch the film because maybe they don't want to call out who did something wrong. Like, it's, dude, it's, like I said, I don't feel like this can be fixed with what we have now.

30:10James Harrison:And being in that damn stadium yesterday, Debo, that was one of the saddest times I for sure have ever been in that stadium. When they got the booing renegade, I couldn't. You know how you get that, you know how you're embarrassed with somebody? I'm in the suite kind of low-key like, damn, no, they're not doing this right now. I'm looking around like, no, stop booing. But it is what it is. They really, this is how it feels. It's like, you know what I'm saying? If you're not going to make a change, people aren't going to be like, this is what it is. This offense is not looking good. The defense, we're getting ran.

30:44James Harrison:They ran for 200 and some yards on us. First downs, and it's the same play. And when you look at TJ and when you listen to him say it, he's like, I've never been in a game where I know they're running the same play. He has nothing to say. Why can't you say anything? When you can't say anything, it's things that you can't say. No, no, for sure. He's being a pro.

31:09James Harrison:Anyway, bro. That's it. That was tough. Hey, man, let's get to... Uh-oh. Spaghetti-o. Spaghetti-o's. You talking about them browns. I knew it. We're having them over there in Cleveland, baby. Hey, listen. See how that perked me up real quick? Hey, misery love company, don't it? Misery love company. Misery love company. Okay. Okay. Respectfully, you're funny. Oh, it was a tough one over there for us, Debo. I'm not going to lie to you. Yes, sir. Long story short, I think it was mainly, I don't even have to go play by play for real with the Browns game. I really want to get to overall. Overall. Overall.

31:57James Harrison:How do you think Shador played overall? Overall, I think he did still good. He didn't play great. You know what I'm saying? He didn't play great. But at the same time, he's making steps. Making steps. He's still going to be a starting quarterback. I think he, you know what I'm saying, a couple of passes that he overthrown, you know what I'm saying, that he could have put on the money. I mean, I think maybe it was one, bro. I think it was really one that was like over. One pass, overthrown. And then my thing is I just want him to stop stepping back in the pocket sometimes. You know what I'm saying?

32:26James Harrison:I think he could just step up in the pocket, do a little bit better pocket awareness. But as far as him being able to be out there starting, 1 ,000%. He's looking good for me. I think you can make decisions a little quicker in some situations. Yes, 1 ,000%. But that comes with time. It comes with time. That comes with time. So with me, I'm loving what he's got going on. I just need to keep working, keep grinding. This is more on the special. Yeah, special teams sold on y 'all again. We can't. We're not good enough to do that. You know what I'm saying? Like our defense is going to be balling. 66-yard return to your 16?

33:03James Harrison:Come on. How is that going to help? And then when we finally trying to get a chance, we muffed the joint at the 10-yard line. Like, this is not going to help us win games at all. So I think that's more, we got to just clean up, clean up all that. Defense, y 'all keep doing what y 'all got to do. Offense, we got to run the ball. It didn't help not converting that fourth down either. I mean, you right there. I think y 'all was at the 30, 32, something like that. They end up, this is a crazy thing. So the special teams returned, that went to the 16. The turnover on the downs, which was a fumble, which still would have been a turnover at the 32.

33:40And then the muff punt at the 18, all those led to touchdowns. That's 21 of y 'all 26 points.

33:48James Harrison:Thank you, Debo. Because it wasn't like, you know, our defense is solid. They're just not out there getting muddied. But if you get put in these messed up positions, something going to bend. Something going to give. You know what I'm saying? And so I think with the offense, if you can just clean that up, special teams, just don't do those turnovers. We have to play a lot cleaner. You know what I'm saying? Like, we don't have just that. We can't out-talent you. We got to be clean. We got to not make mistakes. We got to not turn over the ball. And that's the way we're going to keep it close. And we're going to grind out these games.

34:14James Harrison:It's not like we're going to just blow nobody out. We got to stay tight with that. Oh, yeah. I mean, you got one good thing going for you. You got a defense that's playing and playing at a high level, dude. And ready. Jerry Judy, he got into a little, I guess, confrontation with Shador right there on the sideline, you know, about whatever it was that was going on. Like, do you do you like him having that energy for Shador or no? Do you like him not having that energy when he didn't have that same energy with Flacco? You've seen 75 footballs fly over your head. And now you want to get mad at Shador?

34:52James Harrison:I'm like, bro, this is my whole thing. You know what Shadour's going through right now. He's been a lot. This is only his third game playing. When Dylan was out there throwing ground balls, nobody was spazzing on this man, going up to him, talking to him crazy. Like, I just don't, it just kind of rubs me the wrong way a little bit. You can go holler at him. You know what I'm saying? You know he's trying. You know he's trying to figure it out. All the cameras are on him for show. And no one, you can get in the heat of the moment, but I'm like, Judy, is it because he overthrew the ball a little bit?

35:18James Harrison:Like, he's sitting there trying to talk to you. You know this is a young quarterback. You're a vetting lead. You're his best receiver. That's not going to help him in this situation. I would just hope you could kind of take him more under the wing. You had Dylan throwing you the ball in the dirt for seven weeks. In the dirt. Not even coming close to him. Not even coming close to him. You didn't fucking go over there and I didn't see the same energy you spazzing on him on the sideline. You was letting him go talk to the coach and figure it out. He's trying to figure it out. That's just, it just gave me like, come on, bro.

35:46James Harrison:Like, he's only his third, second game starting. You're his best receiver. You didn't do that when you were getting ground balls previously, the first of the six games. That just doesn't, it just made me not feel good. Because I'm like, Judy, I like Judy. Judy, you're a good dude. But you know what my young boy's going through? You know what I'm saying? So, like, be there for him. If that was you the whole time, if that's you, if that's you, no matter who in there. If that's you, if that's not you, if you can be, if you can show some compassion for Dylan, show my man some compassion. That's all I ask.

36:15Yeah, yeah, 100%. So they tried to get Shador to say something. I think we got the sound. Let's play it. Shador, how many of those two fourths and ones that didn't work? And did you like Kevin having the aggressiveness there even backed up in your character? I mean, first, that's a rude question to ask. If I think, you know, it was a great call by my coach, you know? Do you like the aggression? Do you like the call? I like being out there playing.

36:44James Harrison:so so whenever that comes with it comes with you know like you know we we're not gonna be here and every point figure out no coach or do anything like that you know that's extremely disrespectful and that's not even in my place so I'm thankful for being out there honestly and I'm thankful that he trusts us as an offense to be able to go out there and be able to execute did we execute? no we didn't but you know I'm just thankful that we have that trust you see you see what he's saying there bro you see that we're saying there? He's saying, we didn't execute. We didn't do that. I'm thankful. You know what our responses was yesterday?

37:21We don't know. Why? Because you can't say nothing. He did. He did the right thing. We did the right thing. Our players did the right thing. But why is it that you believe they keep trying to get Shador to take off, though?

37:36James Harrison:Clickbait, Debo. Clickbait. They trying to go viral. They know as soon as Shador says something, Anything he does is viral. And these Cleveland people, they know they're going to get a soundbite. They're doing it for a soundbite. They're trying to get him to say something and just get him in trouble or try to have him hit him against Kevin. Outside world, we know. We see how Kevin treats him. Hey, good game over there, Shadour. You know what I'm saying? He don't have to go out there and say it. Everybody else is saying it for him. So if he's out there and does it, then it's going to make it even more crazy.

38:05James Harrison:Shadour is really just trying to go out this thing and play the quarterback position. I'm happy to be on the field. Thank you, Shador. That was the most perfect response to the question that Buddy was asking. Because it's like, at the same time, I wasn't out there. Now I'm geeked. I'm on the field. I'm playing. That's the main thing is the main thing. You're trying to get me caught up with the coach. Y 'all know what's going on with the coach. You're like, y 'all, do y 'all think I'm going to call? I'm going to leave that to y 'all. It's not my position. I'm just happy to finally be out there with coaches letting me play.

38:32James Harrison:He knows my name. I'm not about to sit here and talk trash about this man. You tripping. I don't think that's the, you know, you just can't do it. especially when you're playing on the team. You know, even with, you know, Aaron, you know, I think he called out an unnamed, you know, receiver that I guess wasn't going to the meetings. To the meetings. You know, you can't do that because now everybody's looking. They want to know who it is. You know, even if that is the case, you know. Do you know who it was, Debo? I have no clue. Do you have an inkling? I have no clue. I don't look at the offense.

39:07I look at the defense. Okay. Okay.

39:10James Harrison:Who do you think it was? And I don't – just going to say it? I'm asking you. I think it was Smith. I think it was 81, Jonu. I think so. Because you see how frustrated he was when he threw the post on that second and goal, and he ran a seven route. He was spazzing. You know what I'm saying? And he's like, yeah, and then some people, they run the road. So I'm like this. But, you know, from what I hear, you know, here and there, I hear, hell, some of the coaches lead fast as the players do. You know? I don't know. I've never heard nothing like that. I mean, the coaches are usually the ones that's there until late.

39:51Not Coach T, though. Not Coach T. Not Coach T. No, I'm not talking about Coach T, but I'm just saying, like, come on. Obviously, you're hearing the same thing I'm hearing. Man. You know? I feel like we be in the same room sometimes. I don't know what's going on. But, I mean, again, coaching. Yeah. Good coach. I just – good coach, great coach, bad coach. No, just a coach. A bad coach could tell you the wrong things to do. I don't think we got no bad coaches. We got coaches. We got coaches. I don't know – well, again, Like you said, we hear things and they're being told different things for the same assignment by different coaches.

40:39So is that just purposely telling you the wrong thing or just not no knowledge of the whole understanding of it?

40:46James Harrison:Yeah, it would have to start from the top. And I would just the coaches got to buy in to whatever they're trying to do. You know what I'm saying? Like everybody has to be teaching the same thing. If they're teaching something that they don't like and the other coaches like this, man, I used to do it like this where I'm from. So, like, I'm like this. That's how you're going to have the team jacked. Yes. And I say that's what I remember because I'm not – no disrespect. The DB coach, I had. Coach Scrap. I love him to death. But he would always talk about what they did in Penn State. I'm like, nobody gives a fuck what y 'all did at Penn State.

41:17James Harrison:No. We're right here right now. No. That's what gets us beat. I don't care what they did. You know what I'm saying? So, like, if that's real life, you got to have all your coaching staff bleeding together. This is what, like, if your defensive line coach. A has to be A no matter who tells you it. A is A. That's all. And if we don't have that, it's confusion. I'm telling you. Where there's confusion, there's just disruption. There's gray. You can't have gray. There's gray. There's too much gray. There's white. There's too much gray. It's like, yeah, that gray. No, man. What are we doing here? What color is that?

41:57James Harrison:Black or white? Ah, it's gray. That's great. Oh, no. Oh, I got to do it. This is great. This is a couple grades. Dude. Man, yeah. Shelby Harris over there, he said, he said, I'm surprised that nobody punched him in his jaw yet. We got the sound for that. Take off. This was a great one. He's a ho, and I want that known. Like, I see why he got punched in the nuts. Because that's some, like, he says some things that you should not say to another man ever. But, like, I don't respect it. because you say that, then run behind your O-line. That's some real soft shit. And I want that known. I see exactly why they punched you nuts.

42:33I'm surprised nobody punched him in the jaw yet.

42:40So, apparently, I guess he was talking about families, wives and kids and stuff. And, you know, that's, I mean, everybody know that's off limits. Like, come on, dude. Wives, kids, that's crazy. Like, what's the worst trash talk you allowed? And what was off limits, Joe?

43:01James Harrison:Honestly, bro, like you said, everything is mostly go except for, like, kids and family. You know what I'm saying? Because, like, you're not touching me. You're not doing nothing. You're not going to hurt me. I'm out here playing ball. You probably wasting your energy. I can't breathe. I'm out here. I'm a cornerback. If I'm sitting here trying to chop it up with you, I got to run a fade ball after fade ball. I'm trying to keep my breathing right. I'm trying to stay out here and be good. they don't stress me out at all. Like trash talk and all that. But like when you start talking about family, personal things like family and my kids, that's just, it's off limits.

43:34James Harrison:At the same time, I'm not going to do nothing to you on the field. I mean, that's still just words, honestly, for me while I'm playing. But I'm going to keep it a buck. Dude, if you had talked about my kids, I ain't even going to say nothing to you. I promise you, I'm going to steal on you as soon as the game over with. I am going to steal on you. I'm going to try and knock all your fronts out. I'm not going to say a word to you. I'm just going to look at you. Deservedly so. Deservedly so. And as soon as you pop that helmet off, I'm going to bomb on you. I don't care if I got to get you walking through the tunnel.

44:12You going to catch him. I'm going to catch you. Yep. I'm going to catch you. Like, you can do all that, you know, bitch ass this and punk ass this, all that. You know, that's normal talk. You know what I'm saying? You know, you lucky I ain't killed you on that play, all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All that. All that. I ain't tripping on that. Rob Markman - So he doing that, he like legitimately has research then. Bro, he done did research. He taught - Rob Markman - Oh, Lord. He probably calling names and all that. Rob Markman - He calling names. You calling the old lady bop. Bro, listen. Listen. Listen.

44:43I used to have a teammate, bro. I used to have a teammate, bro. I ain't going to say his name, bro. He know who he is. He know who he is. That boy would do research. Rob Markman - How about them people? old ladies. That dude do research about girlfriends, all that stuff, man. You know, he kept his ear to the street, man. See, Debo, you would have fumbled on him. You would have fumbled on him. Listen, bro. He ain't talking about no wives, though. This is before social media now. Okay, okay. And, you know, don't let it be, you know, like some outside club to all that. You know what I'm saying? You got to...

45:14Yeah. You know, I'm hearing this out the corner of my ear. I'm like, I'm hearing boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo. I can't tell you what he was saying, I'm like, he what? Who? That one right there. I'm like, oh my God. You know, I'm going to gas into it. You know what I'm saying?

45:33People, you ain't... Bruh. Bruh, man. And I ain't going to lie, dude. Like I said, he getting real details. This before the real social media and all that, you know what I'm saying? He getting details, so he know. He know no.

45:47James Harrison:He know no. He been there. You know what I'm saying? He ain't been there. Right. Oh. Now, once you say something you know, no, anything after that is actually reasonable or susceptible for him to believe because he know you said something that you know, no, that you said no, no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Dude, it was throwing cats off. I ain't going to lie to you, bro. Oh, no. That for sure. No. It was throwing cats off. Dude, who was the biggest trash talker you played with her face? Michael Crabtree and Anquan Boulder. Okay. Yep. Both of them. Me and Michael Crabtree, I still don't like him.

46:29James Harrison:I still don't like him, but me and Anquan are cool. Anquan are cool. He just go hard. He trying to block me all hard and stuff, but I can respect it. Love of the game. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, what's up? And then we just started talking, going at it, saying crazy, but no harm, no foul. Crabtree was just we and him were sponsored by Jordan together. We was two Jordan athletes, and I thought it was going to be cool. Actually, man, when I first met him, he was like this, nigga, you can't guard me. I said, oh, like that. I said, I'll strap you. So then from that point on, every time we seen him, we just don't rock with each other.

47:02James Harrison:Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm like, dang, bro, you just going to walk up to me, tell me, you can't guard me. I'm like, damn, no high, no what's up. Yeah. I'm like, bitch, you? Just thinking to look at me up and down. Yo, big game on this, though, bro. I guess the Titans running back, Julius Chestnut, says the Jaguars kicker, Cook, he threatened to kill him. Like, hey, Joe, what you doing if the punter starts talking crazy to you? Yeah, look, he's going to get crackbacked. He's going to get crackbacked. I'm going to hit him like Sean Taylor did, straight up. Bruh, you can't do that now, though. I'm going to, look, he's going to get crack back, though.

47:47James Harrison:He's going to, I'm going to have to hit the punter, bro. Not crazy like I'm just trying to block him. Right. Not too hard. I don't even know if I can take it serious. It depends how he said it. But look, what he going to do? But that's what I'm, like, how did he say it, though? Like, it was in his face, too, though. Like, I'm going to kill you just, like, for real. Like, right. Did you mean it for real? You know how I debunk. You know how I'd kill you. But like coming across the middle. Like I took your head off. Man, my head's not really coming off. You know what I'm saying? Like you the punter talking about you go kill somebody?

48:24James Harrison:Like for real, for real? That's what I'm saying, bro. What kind of punter is this? Is he affiliated? Right. That's what I'm saying. I got to make sure. Hold up now. Check his bandana. Listen, man, that got to be like the most disrespectful thing ever. The punter threatening to kill you? Bro, how is it? The fact that you threatened to kill me as a punter? How did they get on the field? Was he a, was this a special team? It had to be on some type of special teams play, bro. That's the only time he's on the field. Or unless it was pre-game. He went out and was smack crazy. No way. Bro. No way he did that.

49:00Yeah, I don't, I don't know, bro. The fact that he threw -

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51:10Ain't no punters out there just talking ruthless and crazy like that.

51:14James Harrison:And run up on you. Bro. Hold on. Did he play for the Jags? Jaguars? Oh, yeah. I'm telling you, he must have some goon teammates and some people that he really trusts. Nah, bro. I don't care who you trust, bro. You're not about talking. You a punter? what you gonna do kick me that's what I'm saying D-bo you gonna kick the ball at me or something no he might got fired like huh he you never know a punter could still be did he say I'm gonna you know I'm going to the trunk I'll be back I'll be a nah no I'm gonna kill you like right here right now on the field with my bare hands and my kicking leg like I mean he might be able to kick the shit out you though I ain't gonna lie now he gonna catch you across that midsection He'll put you down for a while.

52:04He'll put you down for a while. Yeah, he might grab a couple ribs now. Punctue a lung.

52:09James Harrison:For sure. Surgery. Surgery for sure. I don't know he's going to take you out. Oh, my goodness, dude. The Broncos went on here and beat the commanders in overtime, dude. 27 to 26. And they did it. But your boy, what's his name? Benito. Yeah, Benito. Benito, he blocked the overtime two-point conversion, swatted that thing down, bro. They went for the two-point conversion for the win. I mean, what they got to lose? Yeah, you're right. The game? It's overtime. Like, you could go into a tie. And it was going just tie. That's worse. Yeah, give me the win. I'd rather win. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We done been out here all day.

53:00James Harrison:All day. we could have just left it 0-0 right and be like yo let's just call this right now before we even step out here let's forfeit this thing let's call it outside let's call it a straight up tie like is there is there any worse way to end a game bro than a tie no lose lose for sure lose worse tie I'm just pissed off because I'm like this. I need to do something. Like, how? I'm unfigured out. Like, I came in here. We've been fighting for three hours. And it's a draw? Like, I don't like draws. We got to have a win or win. Hey, somebody got a win or lose, man. Somebody got a win or lose. We've been here too damn long.

53:47James Harrison:I've been sweating. I've been fighting for my life. And you going to tell me - I'm out here fighting for my life. For my life. And you going to tell me, up even. Even. Let's go ahead. We going to call it. Nah. We going to sit here and play until the morning if we got to. We going to shoot for it. We got to shoot for it. Something. Something got to get. Past competition, something. Field goal. You know what? Whoever can hit the goal post. Longest field goal. Longest field goal. You win the tie. Longest field goal. Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes. See, that's longest field goal or 50 yards. Bro, I think they just went 18 innings in baseball in one of them playoff games.

54:2318. That's too long. Uh-uh. Somebody got to win. Somebody got to lose. No, no. Somebody definitely got to win. Somebody got to lose. Somebody got to win. Somebody got to lose. Listen, you got a choice to make then. It's either, hey, go ahead. Let them win. Because if we keep playing longer, hell, you might have a short week coming up. Maybe you did this on a Sunday. You got a Thursday game. You got a Thursday game. Hey, listen, man. It's already. Chalk this up, man. Damn it, too. Hold up, guys. Yeah. Hey, we already got issues, man. Yo, what do you think of Denver's chances of winning the Super Bowl?

55:09Nope. Nope? Nope. Zero.

55:13James Harrison:Nope. Why? Why you say that? I'm just, I'm not, I like Bo, but I just don't know. I like Bo, but I just don't know. And then the receivers are cool. they're a good team but Super Bowl I just don't think that they have enough to do it I just don't do you? I feel the same way like you gotta have something on offense or your defense has to be like just outlandishly like great it ain't that on either side like you just went into a dog fight with Washington and Mariota Right. Like, not even the whole squad. Right. Not even the whole squad. Also, that could be a situation where, hey, they playing down.

56:07Maybe they ain't playing up to, you know, the potential they could play. But it's a lot of these games that's just, like, too close.

56:15James Harrison:Yeah. It's just too – I mean, the good that they winning. You know what I'm saying? I'm not mad at their team. I'm glad. Like, you don't get style points in this league. No. But just for my personal preference, I'm like, Bo, he's just too iffy for me. You know what I'm saying? So his consistency ain't there. Yeah. Yeah. I would agree with you on that one. I would agree with you on that one. Joe! You know what time it is, baby. Come on, man. Play or fade.

56:56All right, Joe. You know how it works. Yes, sir. I made my lineup for my picks for tonight's Monday Night Football game. You either play my lineup or you faded and you tell me why. So right now, this is my lineup, brother. Okay? Mm-hmm. I'm going with Drake May, Diggs, and Henderson for more. I'm going for more because New York is the 30th ranked defense. Drake May is playing exceptional ball, okay? And Stephon Diggs will be a recipient of that ball. Yes. Along with that, Henderson, he is going to be going up against a 32nd, dead last, rushing defense. Now, I also am going more on Jackson Dart because I think New England will get up ahead, get up big.

57:59And in trash time, they'll be prevent defense and he'll get some throws in there that won't affect the game, but it will give him more.

58:10James Harrison:Yes. What are you going to do, brother? I'm going to tell you this right now. when I was first looking at it I was thinking about playing it for show only when I was thinking about fading was maybe the dart because I'm like I don't know I don't know what they're going to do but your explanation my brother those trash yards they might be getting smacked and those little pre-vent those little check downs he might get 65 just on something like this that don't matter one drive don't matter for us we need it we need 65 we need every one of them yards so I'm going to go ahead and play with my dog. Yes, sir.

58:47Listen, that's the right thing to do. Look, make sure y 'all download the app today and use the code DBOJO for$50 in lineups after you play your first$5 lineup. Okay? Tell your mama, your papa, everybody here. Tell them all. Everybody need to know. Everybody. Everybody. Everybody. Everybody love me. Everybody love me. You know what I'm saying? Joe, it's like we got some super chats.

59:14James Harrison:Yes, they do. Ooh. Ooh. Whoever. Debo, go ahead. Take off. Yo. We got... What is it? Convent Life 7973. Donated 50. Shout out! 50. Convent. Covenant. Covenant Life. Covenant Life. Covenant Life. 7973. 7397. $50, man. He said Rogers hasn't thrown a Hail Mary since...

59:52This is Covenant Life that said this, bro? Yes, this is Covenant Life right here. Bro, he said Rogers hasn't thrown a Hail Mary since Jesus rose from the dead, bro. Arthur Smith brought the church curse from Atlanta and that Tomlin needs to retire. Yes. Just go. Hey, I'm not saying anybody needs to retire. But what we are getting here from Mike right now is not conducive to what the Pittsburgh Steelers are used to and what this lineage legacy of the Steelers organization is. you know this is not what these 70s legends want to come back to this is not what guys of my era want to come back to you know this is not what the fans want what what are the fans going to have once they get ordered you got the 70s you got the you got the 2000 2010s they got something to go back to what what what the young generation that's coming up now got to go to looking back at what happened before they were even thought of, before there was a thought swimming in their daddy's sack.

1:01:22This is ridiculous, man. If we don't do anything, we are saying that

1:01:27James Harrison:what is happening is okay. And Debo, I have never in my life, like with Coach Tomlin, I've always just thought about, like, no, like, man, no, never getting rid of Coach T. But when you think about it outside and when you look at listening to that stadium, when you're thinking about the fans, when you're thinking about the belief, like what's going on for real, sometimes it's not retiring, but even the coach, it may be a different place maybe. You know what I'm saying? Not saying like he's not the worst, but like just a change of something because - Something has to change. Something has to change because it's the - It's not - Still is not having hope is not good.

1:02:08James Harrison:My hope is gone. That's what I'm saying. And that's not really something I'm used to seeing from the Steelers. No. Like, what do the fans have to look forward to on a Sunday now? This is a blue-collar town. People work hard. They go and they grind. And on Sunday, you get to go out there and you get to root on your Steelers. And you get to see and let your frustrations out because you feel as if when you're watching your defense out there and they're punishing people, that's you punishing people. Because you've done putting all this work out here all week. And now you go there and you get let down and you get beat down even more.

1:02:45And you got nothing to go back with, but more of nothing. That's what we looking at. That's why fans are frustrated. They done went all week being stomped on, stepped on. And then we get out there on Sunday and we get stomped on and stepped on. They feel that with us.

1:03:07You ain't lying. I said I wasn't going to get, I ain't going to raise my voice. I ain't going to do that.

1:03:13James Harrison:You did way better than I expected today, though, Debo. That's a fact. We got another super chat, too. Go ahead. Take off, man. What's this? L-Y-N-C. Lynch. Lynch Lisa. One nine. One nine one. Donated$20. Number six. Personal fouls every effing game. If she's talking about Queen, Is he number six? I don't know. Did he get a personal foul? I don't know. I didn't see one, did you? I didn't think so. But she's talking about just personal fouls every after the game. Do our team get personal fouls you're probably talking about? I don't know. I guess Cam got one. Yeah, Cam. That was, yeah, dude, come on, man.

1:04:00Talking about quarterback needs you in the stomach. Like, man, how many times you done hit somebody and they stuff, man? Like, that's what we talking about, bro. We're not talking about how they just went out here and just really, like, did what they needed to. Like, that penalty don't even matter. Like, just let it ride, bro. I'm sure you can find plays out there where you done did something that you got away with. Like, everybody done did something, but that's what we talking about? I don't know, man. It's this.

1:04:38James Harrison:Hoosier trucker donated$5. A-Rod seems to reference last night by the players not showing up for film study. Is that normal? Just do whatever when the meeting's called. So I don't know if it's actual like film study that is like set up by the players or whatever. My thing is this. If it's something that's set up that you have decided that you're going to do either as a group or as an offense or whatever, you need to show up. Yes. Period. It doesn't matter. I know. And then when he's saying, is that normal? I would say, no. No. No. I'm not a person that watched film as much as everyone else. I watched film enough to get an understanding of what they did.

1:05:31I didn't want to get stuck into saying, okay, it's this, it's that, and now I'm jumping things that I shouldn't jump. Right. Chase and go. Right. I done looked at something and got that. What I did a lot of is I just studied the person that I was going against. How did they set when they would pass block, if they gave something away? Yeah. You know, I keep referencing this. Like, we had a running back that we went against in Buffalo. and dude every time it was a run he lined up at fullback he was fullback and if he did his hand like this we knew it was a run i don't know why he did yes but it was a hundred percent and we knew it was either army air force if it was if he didn't do that it was a pass i think it was just a twitch that he got to get ready to block and i'm talking about just literally you know hand on the ground, this one here, and this hand that's rested right here, like this, he would just...

1:06:29Dude, just like wave it. And we like, yo. And somebody, I didn't see it. Somebody else was like, yo, look at the running back's hand, the fullback. Look at his hand. If he's in it, and he do

1:06:40James Harrison:this, it's a run. In his mind, he getting ready to fire on somebody. Right. He getting ready. I'm getting ready. Yep. Telling on yourself. Eric Horn 101 donated$5. The problem is these young heads don't have no OGs to show them what not to do. I would say with this, I would need to be in the meeting room because I don't think Kaelin Ramsey would be trying to tell nobody no wrong stuff. He's trying to give them the good. He's trying to give them the, he don't want to be out there looking crazy. Again, though, I'm trying to give you this as a player, but what your coach's saying. Who you going to listen to?

1:07:25James Harrison:That's what I'm saying. Who you going to listen to? When Jalen's getting the, I know for sure, because at the same time, when you do come in there, Jalen, you will want to come and hope that everything, all the knowledge you know is all good, but what we do here is how we do it here. You know what I'm saying? Like your defense all the way to, it was done in Jacksonville or in the Rams. That's all good. All that knowledge is good because you know football, you've seen a lot of football before, but this is the way that we run the stuff here. You know what I'm saying? Like, just the different checks, the different motions.

1:07:57James Harrison:I know this. You have coaches, like you said, hey, this is how we did it at so-and-so. Well, that's how you did it there. You're not there no more. We're not there. Yes. You can't tell me as a linebacker how I need to take on a block every play because every person I go with isn't going to try and block me the same way. Yes, I know where I need to get. and in that scheme to get to my position, I can take that on however it is that I need to take it on. The same thing when you go to, big one, receivers. How receivers release. You can't tell a receiver he has to release away every time. Because that corner that he's going against may be so skilled, that ain't going to work.

1:08:45You may have to bump step and not even take off on the first one. You better let that man. This corner is somebody that got hands and he going to put them on you. If you go like you're just trying to take off from the line. And I think we have too much of that that is just coaching. It's coaching. And they're trying to make either players stick to straight coaching and not having that nuance, like you said, of having someone that played the position in the league that did it. Why? Automatic buy-in because now I can see what you're doing. Oh, yeah, you're going to have to do this. Coach Butts was a prime example, dude.

1:09:23He's like, okay, look, when you're doing this, I understand it's going to be hard. But if you're able to maybe try this, you can do it. Big thing that he told me, dude, is stack your cleats. High, low, high. Why? Because when the ground gets slippery, especially at where we play at home, you need to stagger it. Because if they're all sitting at the same level, you don't dig into the ground. dude i stopped slipping like up to 70 80 percent of the time bro i'm like oh cool he give you the same thing like with okay you you gotta you gotta you gotta play uh you gotta play head up on the tight end okay you got a two gap but you got the c gap so what i'm going to do is i'm going to play the c gap light which means i'm not gonna step into it i'm gonna play it if he steps that way I can get to it, but I'm already lined up, head up.

1:10:16I'm worried about him hooking me and just cutting me off and making the corner short. Okay, play it like this. Think about this and just read him. Back off a little bit. Why? Why back off? Because it gives you room to see what he's doing instead of trying to be up on him close. And now you can't see. And it don't matter where he moved because you're guessing.

1:10:37James Harrison:A thousand percent. That's good coaching tips. That's what coaches will give you. We're missing right now on this staff. And we've been missing for a while. You ain't lying, D. J-Rock, two, one, three. Debo will be a better coach. Debo will be a better coach. Get in these dudes' ass pause. Fire everybody, including... Stop it, Rooney. Time to go young. Listen, bro. Hey, listen. Hey, listen. We appreciate y 'all for coming. Y 'all getting out of control right now, baby. We really appreciate y 'all. We go get this moving. okay y 'all y 'all just going y 'all going ham right now we appreciate y 'all watching us though okay thank you we want y 'all to come back be here it's not Rooney it's not Rooney we gonna give you everything we go we gonna give you honest opinions you like it or you don't like it it's how we feel it's what we feel needs to be done Joe yo appreciate you guys man make sure you guys like and subscribe come back we'll be here tomorrow after a Monday night game let's get it we out

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