Deebo & Joe - TNF REACTION: Kirk Cousins RESURGENCE in Falcons win vs. Bucs + TJ Watt injury update

12 Dec 2025 · 59 min · 23 chapters

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In short

Debo and Joe break down the Falcons’ 28-29 comeback win over the Buccaneers, focusing on Kirk Cousins’ “resurgence,” Kyle Pitts’ huge day, and the defensive breakdown that decided the game (especially a key 4th-and-14 coverage mistake). They also discuss TJ Watt’s hospital update (lung discomfort after a treatment session) and broader Steelers culture/performance questions, plus a quick look at rookie QB Shador (weather/turnovers) and Joe Burrow’s comments about needing “fun” and team changes.

Guests

None. Hosts are James “Debo” Harrison and Joe Hayden.

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Key claims

Tampa’s defense “sold” on the final drive; Atlanta had 19 penalties but still won due to late turnovers and execution. Pitts had 166 yards and three TDs; Cousins had 145 yards and a TD in the 4th. TJ Watt’s lung issue may relate to treatment like dry needling/puncture risk.

Notable examples

4th-and-14 checkdown that allowed Pitts; multiple holding/false start/penalty sequences; Bijan Robinson’s 16-yard start to the 3rd; late-game fumble/turnovers and the final field goal with 4 seconds left.

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Chapters

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Hosts Introduction

1:24 to 2:05

Introduction of hosts Debo and Joe for the episode discussion.

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Game Recap: Bucs vs. Falcons

2:05 to 2:39

Discussion on the recent game between the Bucs and the Falcons.

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Game Highlights Discussion

2:39 to 3:47

Highlights and critical plays of the Bucs vs. Falcons game.

“The next play, Baker's pressure, he dumps it to Irvin again.”

Penalties and Challenges

3:47 to 4:39

Discussion on the penalties that affected the game flow.

“I think Robinson went for four on a run, and then he dumped him one.”

Key Player Performances

4:39 to 6:03

Analysis of standout players and their performances in the game.

“And then the second down, nine, Baker hit Evans for like 12.”

Bucs Comeback Efforts

6:03 to 7:39

Discussion of the Bucs' attempts to come back in the game.

“Yeah, they getting a holding on the next play where he kicks it to first and 20.”

Final Quarter Moments

7:39 to 13:20

Recap of the final moments and critical plays in the last quarter.

“Yeah, it was a false start on third and 10.”

Game Reaction: Falcons vs. Bucs Overview

14:01 to 20:38

Analysis of the game highlights and key plays that shaped the Falcons' victory.

“John scores on the six-yard run for the touchdown.”

Game Reaction: Falcons vs. Bucs Overview

21:36 to 22:35

Analysis of the game highlights and key plays that shaped the Falcons' victory.

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Injury Update: TJ Watt's Hospitalization

22:46 to 28:00

Discussion about TJ Watt's lung issue and implications for the Steelers.

“13 for 145 with a touchdown just in the fourth.”
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Concerns Over Dry Needling Practices

28:00 to 29:59

Discussion about the qualifications and experience required for dry needling by physical therapists.

“If you ain't done, went and put in 15, 20 years, I'm not letting you dry needle me.”

TJ Watt's Injury Update

30:00 to 31:05

An update on TJ Watt's injury status and the potential implications for the team.

“anytime you start talking about the lung stuff, you really, you don't know.”

Steelers' Performance and Legacy

31:06 to 38:55

A deep dive into the Steelers' historical performance and the implications of their current state.

“And I guess that's the, you know, not having a losing season as an organization since 2003, I think, was our last losing season.”

Coaching Perspectives: Coach Tomlin's Future

38:56 to 42:00

Discussion on the coaching strategies of Mike Tomlin and the potential need for change.

“And that's not the Steelers that we were built on or the organization, period.”

Coaching Perspectives in Pittsburgh

42:00 to 43:32

Discussion on the coaching status in Pittsburgh and how it affects the team.

“All you got to do is go there, be a good coach, be a leader of men and let the locker room be ran by the locker room.”

Shador's Performance Expectations

43:32 to 44:03

Expectations for rookie quarterback Shador in the upcoming game.

“All I know is, brother, it's supposed to be like.”

Shador's Performance Expectations

44:36 to 45:30

Expectations for rookie quarterback Shador in the upcoming game.

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Joe Burrow's Commentary and Team Dynamics

45:59 to 53:14

Analysis of Joe Burrow's statements and implications for team morale.

“I know they're going to be trying to get some picks, and it's going to be cold as a mud, so good luck.”

Accountability and Media Interactions

53:14 to 55:14

Discussion about accountability in sports and recent media interactions.

“Yeah, I think, you know, just putting it out there, letting them know.”

PrizePix Play and Predictions

55:14 to 56:01

Closing segment featuring predictions and picks for upcoming games.

“well, the reporter tried to make it seem like he wasn't gracious for the win or whatever.”

Discussing Reporters and Player Reactions

56:01 to 56:42

The hosts discuss the dynamics between reporters and players, highlighting the tension in sports media.

“I mean, I could, if it's, I mean, yeah, I don't know.”

Analyzing Shador's Game Stats

58:39 to 1:02:11

The hosts analyze and predict the perfect game stats for player Shador, discussing various strategies and expectations.

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Engaging with the Audience and Donations

1:02:12 to 1:04:06

The hosts interact with their audience, acknowledging a donation and discussing upcoming games.

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1:57Welcome back to another episode of Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe?

2:10James Harrison:Bro, I'm doing great, Debo. Great, brother. Had a game to watch last night. Thought it was over. Wasn't over. Thought I could fall asleep. So, yeah, we got a good one on my head. Yeah, it was definitely a good game, man. The Bucs lost to the Falcons, man. Man, this is the sixth loss they done had in the last eight games, dude, including the last two back-to-back losses to division opponents in New Orleans and Atlanta. And now the Panthers are in first place, dude, in the South, in the NFC, brother. Let's jump on into this thing. Yes, sir. Letting rain and get it cracking, baby. Bucks, get out there, dude.

2:47Irving was back. He comes out on the first play. He strikes out on them for 11, dude. The next play, Baker's pressure, he dumps it to Irvin again. He picks up another. The next play, Baker's pass is blocked. And then I think they stopped Irvin for a second down, no game. And the third down, I think it was incomplete. Like, he just dropped that thing into no man's land right there. They end up punting it, and it gets down. I think it was down at the one, but they said it was touched. Touched at the six or something like that. Yeah, they ended up pulling it out at the six. I didn't see it get touched.

3:24I ain't going to lie. I didn't either. Yeah, I was still looking for it. I didn't see it get touched, man. And then after a one-yard run on first down, B. John picks up 10 on that second down. Huh? Yeah, he was doing things all night. He was hoover. Yes. Now, listen, the next play, Cousins hit pits. That dude went crazy. Yes, he did. For 13. That's a baby gator. He went to court. Yes, sir. Yeah, for sure. For sure, dude. And then it was back-to-back plays. I think Robinson went for four on a run, and then he dumped him one. He took for nine. Uh-huh. Third and two. They end up getting a false start.

4:05And then after that, they get a delay. A delay game. Dude, they was getting penalties left and right. That stalled them out. They end up having to punt the ball back to the Bucs. Bucs get out there. I think on that second down, Irving hit a nice little one for seven. Uh-huh. Then he gets sacked, but your boy 24 out there.

4:25James Harrison:He had a long day, man. My good man Terrell. I love his game, but it was a lot of holding, man. It was a physical play. Mike Evans was holding him by the back of the shoulder pads a couple of times, so he was out there fighting for his life, Tebow. For his life. The next play, I think it was White. He took 120. Mm-hmm. And then the second down, nine, Baker hit Evans for like 12. Mm-hmm. That next second, Baker gets sacked, right? It's third and 15 Dude 23 Dog And it was a penalty Yes Yeah, dude It was your boy again Having a rough day A long day, bro With a lot of holding going on A lot of holding For sure I think the next play That's when he hit McMillan for what, 19 to the 1?

5:20Uh-huh. They thought it was a touchdown. Thought it was a touchdown. He got smacked.

5:24James Harrison:Yeah, he got hit. I'm glad he didn't do nothing stupid, reached the ball out. He just made sure he didn't fumble. Respect. Yes. Respect. Trying to do something dumb, he could have lost it. Yo, you see Vey on that lead, block on that second down, though? Oh, my goodness. Oh, my Lord. Oh, my Lord. They scored, dude. It's 7-0. Uh-huh. The first play, cousins get out there. Who he hit? Kyle Pitts, the baby gator. Man to man. These dudes are a little too small. It's getting loose on them, bro. Pitts is getting loose on them. I don't know. It was a couple times they just made like they wouldn't go even follow or do nothing with this man.

6:00He was fine holding those. Yeah, they getting a holding on the next play where he kicks it to first and 20. Boy, B. John picks up eight. And then the next play, he get another seven. And third down, cousin hits steals for 10. They pick up the first down, and then they follow that up with a false start. But that ends up being a holding by the defense after that for the first down. Dude, it was so many penalties. It was so many penalties.

6:32James Harrison:I started losing track. Like, I'm trying to keep track. And then they had the field goal, and then they got offside. Right. So then they got to be able to get back out there onto the field. Yeah, so they get back out there. They end up getting a touchdown off of that. Yes. I think it was Pitts, right? That was Pitts again. Yep, yep. Miscommunication is wide open. Bucks get back out there. I think that second down, Baker is sacked. But it's a holding. First down. Yes. They end up being able to hold him, though. So they punt the ball. They force him to punt. Atlanta gets out there. First down. Bajon, he go for a hot 30, bro.

7:15What happened, though?

7:17James Harrison:They are holding. They get a hold. All of this, it's a lot of good stuff. A lot of good news. And then, after that, it's a false start. Yes, verse 16. Verse 16, B. John picks up 13, though. Like, I think it's what? It's second in whatever it is. And I believe they ended up getting to, what was it? Man, they got to something and made it third and 15 because they got another MOTD ball. Yeah, it was a false start on third and 10. Yeah, bro. It started getting some bad ball. I'm trying to keep my notes. I'm like, how many? Okay, flag, flag, flag. Y 'all punt it. Y 'all just being bad ball. Yeah, they go ahead and punt that thing.

7:57Bucks to get back out there. I think it was third and six. Yes. Baker hits Evans for 12. Speed it out. Beautiful. Yes. Next play, what was it? Ubuku. Ubuku. Ubuku. Ubuku. Man, he breaks tackles and shakes them, gets 12 on them. that's a first and then mcmillan again for what was it 1920 yes sir but somehow atlanta holds him to a field goal don't know how but they did 10 to 7 falcons come out and go four plays 65 yards for a touchdown with a first down dump pass to robertson for nine a quick run for three followed by Cousins, hitting pits for 36. Right. Dude, that was the coldest out and up I ever seen.

8:51It looked like he adjusted that to just change the route in the middle of running it. No, that was meant to be that way. That's what it looked like. Because it was so good. Yeah. And then right after

9:04James Harrison:that, he gone ahead wide open for the touchdown. Bro, second man through the zone. Linebacker looking crazy. We got a good post. Take out the cover three corner. He just chilling, parlaying. Ah, wheel, touchdown. 14 to 10, they up now. Listen, Bucs get the ball. I think it's only like 30 seconds. 33 seconds, Debo. 33 seconds. 33 seconds. Of course, with the help of Atlanta, with a defensive face mask and something else, they go, what was it, 33 to Evans. Yep. And they're able to kick a field goal. DB falling down on the goal. Can I talk about the turf? What's up with the turf? The grass was a little loose.

9:45James Harrison:The only dude that had on good cleats was Robinson. Robinson was the only one with good cleats on. For sure. He was cutting like it was perfect grass. He slipped one time too, though. He slipped one time too. He was cutting up a lot more than he was slipping. Yeah, they're going to halftime 13-14. Atlanta started the third quarter with a 16-yard game by that dude Bijan on a new shutdown. He must have came out of a locker room with fresh, fresh cleats because that's the one I'm talking about. He was chopping people all the way in. Yeah. But, hey, they would stall out because, you know, false start on third down.

10:24Holding. They punt the ball. You know what I'm saying? The Bucs, this is where the Bucs get the ball back, and they get a holding penalty after he done kicked it out the back of the end zone. That kicks them back to the 10. And then they proceed to go nine plays, 90 yards. Baker hits, what is it, Ubuka for 20? Yeah, Ubuka, 23. Lasered that thing in there, dude. Laced it in there. That was, and then a bomb to Evans for 45, where he just went over the top of that man.

10:57James Harrison:Head top. Watch your head, young boy. 50-50 ball, my ass. No, not even close to it. Of course, you got to add that. You got to add that illegal contact on that third and 13 in completion. They gave him a first. Plus the tripping call. You know, it's double foul. Second to go. Yeah. Second to go. Baker hits a coupe for the touchdown. It's 14 to 20 now. Yes, sir. Atlanta come out. You know, I think they might have picked up like maybe two first downs. I think one was Bijan again, 21, shaking him. He got 21 on that one. And then steals, he could have caught that pass for that touchdown right after that and dropped it.

11:41Dropped it.

11:42James Harrison:Dropped that thing. That was just that. Wow. That was just terrible. You're a professional. Yes. You're a professional. Dude, after that, I think it was Mooney. He got 13. That was their other first down. And the intentional grounding on second down just really, it killed everything. Dang, it killed it all. They punt the ball, but them boys over there in Tampa was trying to help him out. He gone ahead and muffed that thing, almost give him the ball back right there. He's able to recover it somehow. He got lucky. That's luck, dude. That's lucky bounces. Yeah, that's good about skill, dude. No. That's lucky bounces, dude.

12:24Could be a completely different game. Yes, could be a completely different game. It still got ugly anyway. No, for sure. Yeah. I think the first down, Baker hit Evans again for about 20. Second down, Irving went for 16. And then Bakers get sacked on the next second down. They end up forcing them to punt the ball. Yep. And then Falcons get back out there. And second down, that man, B. John, fumbles the rock. I think they like at the 20, 25, they end up recovering it. Yep, 25, y 'all on. Dude. First play. Baker to Evans for 10. Need that. Second place. Second to 10. Pass interference. Second down.

13:10James Harrison:Hell. God. Dang. Next second down, Godwin goes head. He go ahead and hit Godwin. He gets him the touchdown. It was 14 to 28, dude. I ain't going to lie. They went for the 2.2. Hit the 2.1. Yep. This is where I'm thinking, yo, the game is over with. And Atlanta comes to life. Eight plays, 65 yards, touchdown. No penalties now. No. Marching down smoothly. No penalties. Like, nice big two games of, what was it, 18 by Pitts? And on the third and two, 20 by steals. He's in steals. There he go, catching the ball. Yes. Trying to get himself back. He could have caught that up. Yeah. He redeemed himself.

13:55James Harrison:Hey, man, after that one, brother, you got to catch everything. Everything. He did. Everything. He did, though. B. John scores on the six-yard run for the touchdown. They go for the two-point conversion. Debo, let me tell you, how do you feel about this? You going for two? I ain't going for two right there. I'm not going for two. Not right there. Why does everybody keep going for two? I ain't going for two right there. Because give yourself a chance. Go for one. Right. If you do, you got to be able to give yourself the option to go for one or two, or you're not even giving yourself the chance to know you got to go score again.

14:26James Harrison:So just give yourself seven. And now when I go there, depending on how I'm feeling, I can kick the field goal. I can't do it. Or I could go ahead and bang on you and go for two and win the joint. Right. Just the first one is throwing me off. Stop doing it. Please, Coach, stop. Bucks get back out there. They complete one first down and then second down. Baker helps them out. Brother, that was a good zone drop. Hey, the boy, he climbed it for it, though. That was a good zone drop. And he climbed the ladder right there, brother. Yes. That's your curl flat. He got to get underneath that out. Mm-hmm.

14:58James Harrison:Right. Ain't nothing in front of you. And if it is, it ain't nothing but cheese. Get back. Come on. They trying to set you up. Get back. He was coming out there. He had to jam a little number two. And then he kind of didn't really even hit him for real because he knew he had to get on number one and make the play. I respect it. Come on. Great play by Alfa. Falcons get out there again. These boys go 10 plays, 67 yards for a touchdown. B. John goes 14 on the very first down. Third and seven. Pitts again. I think, what was dude's name? The other running back, he went for 15. Yeah, he did. Yeah. Yeah.

15:38Second and 10, though. Mooney, he gets 16, but he fumbled it.

15:44James Harrison:Brother, this is what I'm talking about, a good luck bounce. It was five of them right there. Hey. It was five of them. That lineman came in there during full speed, D-Bo. Boom. I don't know how he came out with that. I don't know either. I don't know how he came out with that. Second down, what'd they do? False start. Third and goal. Who'd they hit, man? Who'd they hit? Hits, brother. For his third TD of the game. Third TD of the game. And they call it one cheek equals two feet. Exactly. The cheek, hey, the cheek down, it counts. Cheek down, feet down. Cheek down, feet down. Cheek down, feet down, baby.

16:29That's what they say. They go for two again. Of course, they had to then. They miss it. I ain't going to lie. I'm thinking, hey. I'm looking at them like, now you idiots. I'm really like, hey, maybe this is over with, because it's only what? By the time, what, 3.30 left? It's three minutes and 30 seconds. Yes. Yeah, by the time the Bucs get the ball back, they convert, I think it was like one first down. They got one first down. They start forcing them to use their timeouts. They run on the next first down. They lose four. And then you go and you throw an incompletion on second down. Yeah.

17:06James Harrison:They thought they was going to get that, brother. They thought they had them. Buku a little bit behind. They trying to win the game. They trying to go and get this first down and not try to get a ball back. He get sacked, though, on third. Like, come on. Yeah, he did. He did. He did. Second incomplete, third down sack. Now, and Lennigan got the ball back. It's under two minutes left. 147. First play, they hit steals for 17. Cool. Dang bad. Cousins get sacked, fumble the rock, and they recover that. I don't know how again. Dude. But you know what? They deserve that one because the Bucs got that one when it was five people around.

17:52James Harrison:So somehow they finagled that one. So I'll give it a turnover for a turnover. They get a holding call. I think that kicked them to what, like third and damn near 30. Third and 28. Third and 28. Yeah, because Picks picked up half of that on the third down. And then fourth and 14. What? How do you let them get 21? Brother, why are you? He's the cover two corner. For one thing, why are you pressed? And he's cut split. And you let him get outside release of you. Everything inside. Everything inside. What are you doing? And then sink. Keep sinking. If he gets outside of you, continue to sink all the way down until, like, that's like a, you could pick the ball off.

18:36James Harrison:Don't let him get outside of you for one. You're supposed to push him inside to your safety. You're on cover two. High to low. It's fourth and 14. It's simple. He checks down to the man. Yes, we're breaking up. We're rallying. We're rallying. We're thumbing him. We're knocking this man's head off. And if it's what? What's it going to be? Fifth and three? Fifth and five? No, the game is over. No, right. Like, back up. We're going to come and help and hit this man. Fifth and three? Fifth and five? What it going to be? What it going to be, Debo? He act that wildin'. Man, they kicked a field goal on third down, dude, with four seconds left.

19:15They make it lose 29 to 28, dude. like Tampa, bro, they got some issues over there. The defense sold on them boys. You know, fourth and 14 was the killer. That was it. They let Pitts go crazy for like 166, three tutties. Two of them, he was just wide open. The defense gave up almost 500 yards, 476 yards. Listen, on top of that, Atlanta had 19 penalties, dude. You got beat with a team that had 19 penalties. That's what I'm saying. Look, Atlanta showed up late as a defense when it was critical, bro. Like, they stepped up, especially the turnover. That fourth quarter turnover, dude, that was huge, dude.

20:06Mm-hmm. That was huge.

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22:48I think Cousins was what? 13 for 145 with a touchdown just in the fourth. Like the defense just sold, man. Like, I don't even know what you, like, what do you even have to say to defend yourself in that one, dude?

23:07James Harrison:Did you hear the way that their coach was talking after the game, bro? Oh, man. And that's what I'm saying. I'm like, this was not public TV aired. He was talking to them like he was in a locker room. He kept cussing so much. I was like, is he just doing this on purpose? Like, we got your point across, but he kept on dropping them bombs. I'm like, no, he's always telling me. This is what I said. This is what I said. This is how I'm feeling. Like, you grown men. Like, da-da-da. I'm like, end of the day, what I'm going to tell you is you're up 14. I feel everything you're saying. No matter all this stuff that's going on, the team had 19 penalties.

23:40James Harrison:Like, it's fourth and 14. It's like all of these plays that you could have easily still, after everything happened, could have walked out of the stadium with a win. You could have walked out with a win after that, dude. Easy. But, like, that stuff is crazy. That cover two, that corner right there, my mans, it's for the game. It's fourth and 14. It's not third and 14. This is for all the marbles. That check down that they gave Pitts to when it was third and 28, for him to get it down there, that's a lot of yards, and I respect him. He missed the tackle a little bit, trying to keep him in bounds.

24:11James Harrison:Respect. Right. Now it's fourth down and 14. Back all the way up. You know what I'm saying? Make them have to check the ball down and come down and get it. Like, there's no world where he needs to be that far up, and there's no world where even if you're a cover two corner that you're letting that man get in that. You know that's the sweet spot. That's the spot. Back up. Make sure that we can rally down to everything. I'm closer to the – when it's high-low, you're playing in the middle? No, it's 4-14. I'm high. I'm high. You not throwing this. I'm right underneath of him. Like I'm looking like – I can touch him with my arm so I can break down to the other play.

24:45James Harrison:That's just not good ball. So coaches has every right to be mad. Oh, yeah, he was fired up. Offense aside. And then like their defense. I mean, just miscommunications. People want to open. Kyle Pitts, what are we doing? In the zones, grab that man. You know what I'm saying? Like, he was beating your man one-on-one. Winfield, great safety. I love him, but you're 5 '9", and you're going to get 6 '3", 2", I mean, 6 '4", 2-something. He's a lot bigger than you. You need a little bit of help. So, yeah, it was wild. Yeah, for sure. I don't know where the Bucs go. They having a good day today. They damn sure still at work right now.

25:24James Harrison:for sure i definitely didn't get no see you on wednesday brother tj is in the hospital for a lung issue i guess he uh i don't know exactly what happened but they're saying you know he was in the hospital so the initial report was a was a lung issue let me look at this real quick yeah let's get let's get let's let's get let's get what they said so later on it came out that the latest report said that tj that tj was hospitalized for some lung discomfort after a treatment session at the stillers facility joe yes sir a treatment session what what do you get from that joe i get treatment session we mean and so when i let me get when i first started listening to this and i hear the lung stuff like you're initially thinking like all right it happened at practice so if it's at practice it's no it's like that's what somebody can you can hit you can run into somebody some contact where boom lung boom but this one is saying in treatment so i know very well as well as you do treatment is where you're getting worked on you're getting massage you're getting uh you can get dry needling you can get acupuncture things like dry needling dry needling so i would say that maybe it's going to the point of dry needling something like that where right now i'm saying he gets hospitalized dry needling is something that can actually puncture the lungs something where tyrod taylor that happened that the staff did to Well, his was a, his, they were trying to numb something, I think.

27:02James Harrison:No, no, no. I feel you, but I'm just saying that didn't come out at the same time, but it's like the same thing. It's just puncturing. Like, like when your doctors at the facility are actively putting a needle inside. Not a doctor. Not doctors. Not doctors. The staff, the training staff, the training staff. We don't know who it is in the training staff. So that's where I'm, I'm with it, where I think that it was more of a, you know, a treatment thing where in, and for the Steelers, they're going to obviously right now protect protect protect you keep everything on the inside you know i'm saying like if something happened where this now we'd be looking like oh no who did it who was working on tj like that it's gonna be a whole lot of those questions so right now it's a lot of damage control probably going on but for me that's scary like yes you're talking about puncturing lungs you talk about having to be immediately here's the issue here's the issue you i know in pa you can get your license to dry needle as long as you're a licensed physical therapist and it only take like 50 hours so you go and do 50 hours over you know a couple months and now you're licensed to dry needle and what people don't understand is just because you're licensed don't mean you know what the hell you're doing like i'm not letting anybody just anybody to dry needle me.

28:18If you ain't done, went and put in 15, 20 years, I'm not letting you dry needle me. And I'm talking about somebody that they do that on a weekly in and out basis, 10, 15, 20 years of work, because everybody's anatomy is not the same. You can go and stick a needle in a dude that got a lot of fat on him in his back and not touch a lung. A guy that got less fat, you can't take that same needle and put it there. You can mess around and go into somebody's trap here and puncture their lung depending on how much little fat you got there too so with that being a case like it needs to be more than just you're a physical therapist and now you're going to take a you know 50 hours over you know a couple months and now you're licensed to actually go in here and work especially especially work on professional athletes like this is like their bread and butter teams like should be like yo no we should get somebody that actually does this instead of being like you know what let's just go and send one of our people get licensed so we can do it and just have it legally done no go and pay the money and get somebody that actually knows what they're doing been doing it for at least a decade or more and you have actual you know like reviews or people that saying yo i've had this treatment and you watch them work like i'm watching you work before I'll let you put some needles in me.

29:40Like I said, on top of that, you got to have 10 more. I'm not just letting you put no needles in me, brother. I think 100 % that this is something along those lines. But I mean, like you said, we won't find out probably until later on down the line.

29:59James Harrison:I just hope and pray, you know, because anytime you start talking about the lung stuff, you really, you don't know. You know what I'm saying? He had to go get to the emergency room, get to the hospital immediately to make sure everything's okay. So I don't want to... I just... Well, from my understanding, he's still there. So... Like, you know, you're talking about something... What was it, Wednesday they said? We're on Friday now, and he's... That's not, yeah. That's not a small thing, you know? No, no, no. And it's traumatic, honestly. Like, you never know how TJ's feeling. He's still in the hospital.

30:31James Harrison:You don't know. You know what I'm saying? Like, I would hope to know, like, what was actually happened, like what kind of treatment he was getting, what was going on. You know how teams and everything, when you really want to, you hear something about a man, you want to know what's going on. We want to get the inside, so you don't want to guess or anything, but at the same time, the Steelers and everybody on that side is probably going to try to keep it in-house as long as... Oh, yeah. No question. I mean, you know how it goes. We all know. We've been there. Everything is trying to be kept in-house no matter where you're at.

31:01If you're with the Steelers, the Browns, whoever, everything is for the most part trying to be kept in-house, But the Steelers, I guess we're at a decades-long run that they say may be coming to an end. And I guess that's the, you know, not having a losing season as an organization since 2003, I think, was our last losing season. So it's been 2004 to now. What are you, and then I think Mike is, you know, what, 18 years of that or something like that? Yeah. You think it's going to end? Are you proud of the run?

31:38James Harrison:What do you think? I think there's more of you. I want to listen to – I want to hear your answer to this question first because I'm more here – just, you know, Debo, you're kind of more vested. You know what you're saying? You got the Super Bowl. Yeah, I'm a little bit more. You're more still in history than me. So I just want to know, but how do you feel about it? So I'll say this. So basically from 2004 until the present, we've had a win in the season or we haven't had a losing season, I should say. That's great. We also had, you know, two Super Bowl championships. That's great. So from 2004 to now, Mike Tomlin came in, what, 2007, 2008.

32:17We won a championship. We also won one in 2005. So with that, you know, I think he inherited a great culture, you know, along with a defense that in 2000, what was it? Six was a ninth ranked defense. Um, he kept the staff, he, you know, he kept the staff together. They stayed together. You know, he allowed that great move. Um, applauding for that. And 2007, we ended up when his first year, we were one, we were 1-5-2-1-1. So from 2007 to 2012, we were 1-5-2-1-1. Now in 2013, it dropped to a 13. In 2014, it dropped to a 18. Now the narrative was Dick LeBeau's defense didn't work anymore. And that was false.

33:11Now Dick LeBeau's defense worked fine when you had players in there who knew the defense. I was in Cincinnati in 2013. OK, so I wasn't there. But I believe that at that time, LeBeau was made to start younger or rookie players that didn't have a full understanding of the defense. And I believe that because in 2013, I had a player call me and he said this right here. He said they just pulled me from being a starter because, quote, it's nothing you did wrong. We just want to see what so-and-so can do. I'm not putting names in there. OK. And that right there caused the defensive rankings to drop. You know, it went all the way down in 2014 to 18.

34:08His contract, Coach LeBeau's contract was not renewed then because it was stated or believed that his defense no longer worked. OK, so in 2015, it was a change of D.C.'s and I believe we dropped to 21. Now, that was in cause because the Dick LeBeau defense that we ran was no longer the true Dick LeBeau defense. It was tweaked by coaches that wanted to do something different they thought would work better or would fit the players' abilities better. but when you go and you you tweak that it causes your defense that you're trying to protect that one weakness from every defense has one weakness just like when you do that it causes and creates more issues so like 2016 I think we ended up getting to like a 12 I think that was the highest that we were at 12 we ended up going to New England and we lost the AFC championship now Now, over the next four years, the defense got significantly better.

35:20So from 2017 to 2020, I believe the defense was high as a three. That's when your boy came back time. So they were high as a three, and I believe the lowest it was was a six. Now, if you look at that, everybody want to say, okay, well, TJ, speaking of TJ, TJ is not, he ain't got it no more. That's a lie. That's a lie. TJ got it. So if you look at the numbers from 2017 to 2020, TJ, when he first started, he might have been doubled 5 % of the time, if that, up to maybe 20%, a little more in 2020. So the defense is 3, 4, 5, 6, whatever. It's no lower than a 6 over those four seasons, right? Now, you get to 21, and TJ is being doubled 30 % or more, okay?

36:15To now, he's almost being doubled 70%. Now, why do I say this? Because you changed the defense. Now, when you changed the defense, it was other defenses that Coach LeBeau would go to when that would happen to us. And it looked the same as the defenses we were run where your outside linebackers was coming, but it would be a different blitzer. So when you change the defense, you change what's happening. You change who's where. you take away that fear of looking at four different defenses and it's different people coming on each one now you done changed it to where someone's here or someone's there and now you lose the ability to use the threatening defenses because they're going to look different than the defenses that are there that you actually send your guys okay i mean so are they making it look too simple now you think i think now people are seeing it easier because you don't have teeth to go with anything that will look identical to what it was supposed to be versus what it could be so coach lebow had four defenses they would all look the same but those four defenses would have different people blitzing so now you got the that's why rookie quarterbacks would be like they were just coming from everywhere why because he's looking at something that looks the same and he's thinking it's supposed to be this and it's not it's totally different and it's that yeah so like i ain't gonna lie to you when i retired in 18 dude i thought like we were about to get a championship because the offense was ranked like four the defense was ranked like six and we didn't even make the playoffs bro 17 when i was in new england i was i was looking to face them they got bounced out the first round by Jackson.

38:06James Harrison:Yeah, that was the worst. And now, you know, you fast forward to the day, we're eight, nine years in, we ain't got a playoff win, but we ain't had a losing record. Along with, hell, we lost to you bums in 20, like, sorry. Baker Mayfield went crazy on it. I was on the team. First snap was over my man Ben Head. It just was a bad day. Dude, so it's great to not have a losing season, but that's that's not the Steelers organization like that's not the goal like the goal when we get in there is not to have a losing season you know it's to go in there and win championships and right now dude our goal I feel like has been switched over to not having a losing season and the standard of what it was for championships has been lowered to a winning season.

39:03And that's not the Steelers that we were built on or the organization, period.

39:09James Harrison:No, I feel that. I feel it. I mean, I think, like you said, I think the big thing since when 2017, I can only speak when I was there, 2017, that year. I wish you got a chance to play in Coach LeBow's defense, dude. I do too. The thing is, I just know that it's a lot of, like, I'm smart. I would like to call myself a smart football player. I played in a lot of different defenses. I played cornerback, you know what I'm saying, for a long time. So when I was in, when I first got to the league, like you said, just learning man-to-man, learning different defenses, and then I'm learning, getting a bunch of different D coordinators.

39:44James Harrison:So I'm learning just all different types. So by the time I got to Pittsburgh, I would like to give Coach T and him credit because the one thing I knew is I was smart. So I knew when I went into the game, the game plan, what we needed to do to win. You know what I'm saying? What they were going to try to go after, what we needed to do. Show me my stuff. So I think from when you're saying it, younger players are kind of, you need to have those players to teach you what's going on, the ins and outs of the defense, because you won't be able to learn it in offseason, in a training camp. No, you can't.

40:14James Harrison:It's just way too much. So just being able to pass the torch and being able to get through that. Especially the Bows defense, dude. I feel you. I feel you. I just say for me, though, I just know it was just I was rocking with Coach T because I knew what I had to do, and it just made it easier for me. Do you know what I'm saying? So you like or you're – where are you standing on it coming to an end? I am – with the possibility of it coming to an end, I am understanding because you can't be in a spot for so long and then it's not going the way it's supposed to be going. You're not showing the trajectory of it getting better and better and better.

40:58James Harrison:It's a lot of just eight and eights, eight and eights. So with Coach T, I think he's a great coach. He can go do this somewhere else. Bring him to Cleveland. Oh, it's 100%, dude. If they were to let him go at the end of the season, he would have a job before he hung the phone up. A thousand percent. But that's because that's why two things could be the same. Like Coach T is a great coach, but maybe the situation there is just a little, it may be a different voice, a different change of tune. I don't know because it's not like, I don't think Coach T is not a good coach. I think Coach T is a great coach.

41:29James Harrison:When I started, when I went over there and started playing for him, just what I knew what I needed to do, what he told me before the games, just when you come into the team meeting room, I knew we were going to get good stuff about what we're playing, what we were doing, what we need to do, solid. Like he was a, he's a great leader of men, in my opinion, with that being said, being in that locker room and having just rotation, being like you said, coming in with a team from like 07 that already has leaders. You don't have to do too much like building of a locker room or camaraderie and all that.

42:02James Harrison:It's already there. All you got to do is go there, be a good coach, be a leader of men and let the locker room be ran by the locker room. You know what I'm saying? once you start being in different draft picks and different draft classes and that that leadership starts to change in the locker room i mean maybe you got to go to another team that already has leadership already got a good spot and just needs a voice of a head coach that can be able to set up these pieces you know what i'm saying so i don't think coach t's jack i think that for pittsburgh they want championships they want to win this this eight and eight this this this little the the defense isn't performing as well as it should.

42:39James Harrison:So with that being the case, if Coach T was the coach of a lot of other teams and he wasn't performing at a level, it would be able, they would have moved on quicker. But it being Pittsburgh and then being kind of nervous and just liking status quo and having Coach T, that's a great coach to have status quo. Coach T would be a great coach for any other squad, you know what I'm saying? But just the, maybe it's time, you know what I'm saying? Maybe it's okay that our time is not, like Andy Reid and the Eagles, I would go there. They, great times, they won, they did good. But it's like, maybe it's not the time right now.

43:08James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? That could be the same way. Okay. I respect that. I may not agree, but I respect that. Hey, your boy Shador, he got rookie of the week after the game, bro. I guess he is the first rookie this year, first rookie quarterback to receive the honor. Joe, what do you expect from Shador against the Browns? I mean, against the Bears. All I know is, brother, it's supposed to be like. You're locked into a lot of things you can't change. Weather, traffic. Hey, stay in your lane. Your wireless carrier's latest price hike. But you can unlock a better way. Unlock the savings at Boost Mobile and save up to$600 a year.

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45:55James Harrison:Hey, you know what they is on that interception right now. I know they're going to be trying to get some picks. I know they're going to be trying to get some picks, and it's going to be cold as a mud, so good luck. But I just think we got to run the ball well and take our shot opportunities and don't turn the ball over. Just do what you've been doing, Shador. Don't do those spin-outs. You know what I'm saying? That's the only thing I ask. So what do you expect him to do? Kind of hit here and there? I expect him, with the weather being like this, I expect him, I just want him to go probably, we're going to go 20, we're going to go 7, no, yeah, 20, 20 for 30 for 225 yards, two touchdowns.

46:37James Harrison:Ooh, you getting numbers. That boy getting numbers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, no INTs in there, right? Zero INTs. Zero INTs. We've been throwing picks, you know what I'm saying, a little once in a while. But I just think we got to control the ball. Just keep it. Nope, nope, nope. He's going to protect the ball. Nope, nope, nope. Nope, nope, nope. Your head said interception. You said nope, nope, nope. Nope, nope, nope. Can't have it. Can't do it. Listen, man. Joe Burrow, man, he had some, you know, he had some words, you know. Hey, just you listen to it, brother. You tell me. If I want to keep doing this, I have to have fun doing it.

47:20You know, I've been through a lot. And if it's not fun, then what am I doing it for? So that's the mindset I'm trying to bring to the table.

47:30James Harrison:Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it seems frustrating. There's just a lot of things going on right now. A lot of things going on right now. Football related, personally? All of the above. Like you said, there's nothing. All we can do is focus week to week and try to win games. I don't think anybody's really thinking about the playoffs right now. that's within reach, but on our fingertips. So we just got to keep doing what we're doing and try to get better. Joe. What do you take from that, Joe? That man sound big, sad, Debo.

48:16Is Joe under contract?

48:19James Harrison:It got to be. No, I'm just saying How big is the bag they gave him? Oh my goodness, they gave Joe Burrow He gave about 55 a year I don't know, it sounds like he want to have fun And to me, it sounds like The fun thing I mean, you know what fun is Winning is fun Five years, 275 You were in, you know Cleveland You weren't having that much fun I think he wants to have fun now And, you know, with that being said, maybe he's reevaluating his decision and thinking about it a little more because, you know, right now, like he said, nobody's thinking about playoffs. You know how far they are out. You know what the need to happen.

49:08A lot of impossibilities. A lot of possibilities. That's kind of impossible, but it's possible because it's a possibility. So what you thinking he's saying, Deepo? What you thinking he's saying? I'm thinking he's saying he's just putting it out there that he's not happy here and it could be a possibility of maybe, you know, somebody or I mean, I'm pretty sure they're probably getting calls or some sort and gauge, you know, interests of, you know, what it is that they may or may not be willing to take and receive to maybe. hand him to a competing football school. I don't know, Joe. Boy. I'm just talking.

49:56Who? You know me. Who? I'm just talking. I'm just running my mind. I'm just thinking out loud. They would never give him to the Steelers. I said competitive football team. I didn't say like a rival. I didn't say they would giving to the Steelers? No. Maybe they could, maybe somebody else could get him and we could trade for him to get, you know, I mean, hope it ain't a poison pill in there. Like, you know, with Parsons. I don't know, man. I'm just, you just throwing things out there. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just putting it up in the air. You got to put it in the atmosphere before anything can go around, happen.

50:36Possibilities are in this. Joe,

50:37James Harrison:what do you think? I think Joe Burrow is mad and sad and just pissed that their team isn't that good. and at the same time getting hit all the time upside the head, being out there doesn't help. Like when people are bringing up like Andrew Luck, being able to retire a little early, they say he got hit 100. He got sacked 173 times and Joe Burrow's been sacked 210 times. And then at the same time, I mean, Joe Burrow, he got fire receivers. He doesn't have a line. I think it may be. What's up? You can't. That's what I was thinking. Dude, you lead era. I know you still Joe, but you got two of them things over there.

51:16You got two pieces. Might have to be a, you know, just trade. It's a three-piece.

51:21James Harrison:Me and them two go, it's a three-piece, all or nothing. See, no, then you're going to dismember somebody's whole squad. They'll literally be changing teams. But I think for real, for real, he's just letting them know he needs what. Joe Burles been actually asking. He asked for Tee Higgins to stay. He asked for Jamar Chase to stay. So these dudes all have big contracts. What they do need to do is, for real, now, since they do have that, they need defense, obviously, and they need offensive line. So I think, hopefully, if they want to keep Joe Burrow in the draft, only thing you draft is – How much money you got over there on offense, dude?

51:56What'd you say? How much money you got over there on offense, though? You got room to pay anybody, though? No, no, you're drafting. You got to draft well. Okay. You got to draft well. You got to draft well.

52:05James Harrison:Draft and draft only offensive line and only defense. And if you're going to free agency, only offensive line, only defense. You need to buffer and protect this man at all costs because at the end of the day, he's getting beat up and you can't have him. He's been hurt. Like all these injuries since 2000, you can't have him out there, keep getting beat up, and you want him to be a franchise. So he's telling them like, look, all right, man, I'm not happy. My head hurts. My leg hurts. My knee hurts. My toe hurts. Everything hurts. My toe hurts. My shoulder. You know what I'm saying? And, like, give me some protection.

52:40James Harrison:Or because at the end of the day, too, those calls are going to come. Joe Burrow can go to a team with a line that don't have a quarterback that has a solid defense, and he'll come switch up the situation for a lot of teams, and they'll come drop the bag, get picks and everything. So I think it's a little just him telling them, like, look, man, I am Joe Burrow, and I know my value. I keep getting beat up. I need to try to stay healthy. And he's been injured a lot. So now he's looking at it like I'm not getting hit any less. I'm continuing to get hit. I'm always hurt. Protect me or I shall bounce.

53:15Yeah. Yeah, I think, you know, just putting it out there, letting them know. Letting them know his temperature. Yeah, you know, temperature, you know, it done dropped a little bit. It ain't as hot as it was. If we had won that game, I might not be feeling this way, you know. so I understand but you know to me I think it's just you know putting the filler out there you know seeing you know seeing what the cat dragging you know you say anything out there

53:46James Harrison:I mean you could have said that you know by yourself you ain't have to you know let it out there in the open so you had to let it out there in the open I ain't got no problem with it you know everybody y 'all know we know everybody know now Joe ain't too happy over there now you don't want Joe unhappy. You don't? No. Titan Sideline reported removed from the team playing, from the team charter playing after sharing a story of Cam Ward from the flight. Do you know what happened on that, Joe? No, I don't know what the story was. Yeah, I don't know what the story is either. Obviously, he must have gave some insight, intel that was talked on the plane.

54:25That's what you need to do.

54:26James Harrison:You gotta shut your mouth. no i don't think they should have the reporters and everybody else on the same plane that way you don't run into that issue like i don't know but he actually was asked about it and you know he said the same thing like he don't he ain't got no no issue with like he didn't change what he said the reporter wanted to apologize for letting it out but i guess i was cam was like no i don't I don't feel bad that it, you know, about what I said. I feel the same way. I got to figure out what did he say, though? Did he say something about his game? He just said that basically he was saying that they won, but the play wasn't good enough.

55:12You know, he tried to make it seem like, well, the reporter tried to make it seem like he wasn't gracious for the win or whatever. I mean, if you can't be, you know, correctively criticized yourself, then, like, what do you expect? I don't, like I said, I don't see an issue with it. I think that's just, you know, being accountable, having accountability. I mean, the reporter, maybe he shouldn't have let it out. He shouldn't have been in a position to be able to let it out. Put his butt on a different plane. Yeah. or flying commercial. Yeah, he's a reporter. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. Yeah.

55:56James Harrison:That's his job. He going to report. He seems like, y 'all just want the man to be quiet. I mean, I could, if it's, I mean, yeah, I don't know. Get him on a different plane. He might not be the reporter for you. Reporters know. They know what's good stuff and know what's bad stuff. They're like, oh no, this is going to make my team look crazy. this might get me somewhere. He's not happy and they won. Let me report this. Oh, got him. Nah, nah. He said, yeah, and I still ain't happy. Now what? And now you got to apologize. For real? Joe, you know what time it is, baby. Come on. Play a fade. Presented by PrizePix.

56:43All right, Joe. You know how it work. I made my lineup of picks for Sunday's games, brother. You either play my lineup or you fade it and you tell me why. Look here. I got Chadeau. I got Chadeau for more than eight yards rushing. He going to have to use them feet, man. The weather going to be tough. Every time he ain't going to be able to get it out there like he want to. Plus, you know, they number one in what, Joe? In picks. In picks. Okay. Interception rate. Yes, sir. I got Lamar. I got Lamar for Mo. Hey, he going to have a run longer than some 13.5. I got him for Mo. He getting a little healthier.

57:28He can't against, you know who, the worst, worst defense in the NFL, the worst in the rush, the Bengals. Bengals, sorry, the Bengals. Okay. And now I also have, I know this is going to surprise you, But I got Drake May. I got him for less. For why? For why? Why, why, why? Buffalo, they doing that thing in the past game, bro. They don't even average giving up that much, bro. And it's going to be a tough game, bro. They in Buffalo.

58:03James Harrison:Like, come on. It's probably going to be snowing. Yeah. Okay. And, listen, Tennessee. You don't even got to ask me about that one. Yes. You know what time it is. Mo. It's Mo. It's Mo for show. It's Mo for show. What you going to do, Joe? I'm going to play it, Debo. I'm going to play it, Debo. Let's go. Joe go play. So make sure y 'all download the app today and use the code DEBOJO to get$50 in lineups after you play your first dollar line,$5 in lineups. Let's go. Let's get it, Debo. I like this one. Man. Look here, man. Tell your mama, your papa, everybody. Deebo, Joe, 50 for show after your first$5.

58:51Joe. Yes, sir. I want to tell you something, Joe. What's up, my brother? I believe that I can fly. I believe I can touch the sky. I think about it every night and day. You know, I spread my wings and fly away.

59:10James Harrison:I believe I can soar Hey I see me running through that open door I believe I can fly I can fly I believe I can fly I like He used to Joe Yes sir So If You were to Give Shador the perfect game stats, what would it look like? The perfect game stats. I would give Shador, because honestly, with this game. Nope, not this game. I said perfect game. What would that look like? I would love to see it this game. It's just, look, I would hope he could do the perfect game, but honestly, this game, I got to say for this game, This game, because we're playing Chicago. It's a good team. I don't want to have to put it on his hands to make him have to beat him but throw him for 400 yards.

1:00:14James Harrison:Like, we can get some dump-offs. I like downfield. We're going to have a couple balls to Judy, to Tillman. But mainly, I need Fannin. They run defense ain't that tough either, though. No, they run game. It ain't that tough? No, it ain't. They run defense ain't that tough. That's why we're working with Judkins, bro. Judkins, Samson. and then we going to work with Fanon. Dude, I thought he was going to do something last game and he ain't come through. I know, bro. He loafed. He loafed, but that's why. He can't do it two times in a row. So we got Shador. This game is going to be actually, I only want to throw the ball like 25 times.

1:00:50James Harrison:I want it to be 20 for 25. The five incompletes are mainly instead of like check down or he had to throw them out of bounds, had to just, you know, throw it away. 20 for 25, 250, 260. Okay. Two tuts. Ooh. You know what I'm saying? Boom. And then Junkins is going to have two rushing touchdowns. So we're going to have around 28 points. You know what I'm saying? And our defense is going to— How many times—how many rushes you got Junkins, though? I need him to have 20. 20 at least. 20. 20. And Sampson can get five. Sampson can get five. You got to have another five. I think you need at least 30 total.

1:01:30James Harrison:Shadour's going to run his five and get his yards. Shadour's going to run five and get about 25. You know what I'm saying? That's 30 totes. 30 totes, 25 passes. What's your defense going to do? What's your defense going to do? What they supposed to do. Miles is going to. What they do last time. I'm trying to figure that out. What they do last time, Joe. See, Debo, that's what I'm saying. You always be green. But look, that's what they got. One bad week. And then they going to come right back and show why they're the number one defense. Miles Garrett is going to get probably three sets. Is he still number one?

1:02:01James Harrison:No. They probably top three. Miles sold on me. He's supposed to get six. He only got one. Miles sold on me, man. He got a dub, man. You can't be telling he's sold walking around with a dub of sacks. He ain't sold. He's supposed to get six. You're wildin'. What's the most you had in the game, Debo? I think I said, was it three and a half?

1:02:25It might have been. I think it was three and a half. It might have been.

1:02:28James Harrison:You had 10 tackles, three and a half sacks, a pick, a PBU. and two forced fumbles. I just seen you going across my timeline the other day. You were spanking. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I had to make sure I got over there to do the – over there in Hawaii real quick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had to bust it out in one game. You know who that was against the Ravens. That game right there, a three-and-a-halfer will get you across that water. No question. Yo, we got a super chat, Covenant Life, 7397. just donated 50. Thank you very much. She stayed there. She stayed there. She says hello to you two dropping in to say hello.

1:03:12Can't wait for the game on Monday. Hope we can walk away with the victory. Joe, I sent you a clip of my grandson to your Instagram. In here, I'm here in St. Lucia, of course, until the 27th. Phew, man. I wish... Woo-wee. Debo, just got to stand up on our side. Yeah, we got to stand up for sure. We got to. Like, Joe, check your gram. Got to check my gram. Check your gram for the clip of the grandson. St. Lucia. Amen. Covenant Life, thank you very much. We appreciate you watching. We appreciate your donation. And like I said, we will continue to pray for you that everything goes through a clean, healthy slate.

1:04:03Have a great time out there in St. Lucia. We want to thank all of you, Joe and I. We want to thank all you guys for joining us on this episode of D-Borange Joe. Please make sure you hit the like and subscribe button. And we will be back here on Monday because somebody's playing Monday night. Joe?

1:04:30James Harrison:Let's go, Debo Are you muted again, Joe? You good, Joe Did you mute yourself? Hello? I got you, go ahead, Joe We lied, Debo I can't wait to be back on Monday You already know what time it is I will see you on Monday What's up? And we out And we out

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Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Thursday Night Football where Kirk Cousins and the Atlanta Falcons defeated Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, reports that TJ Watt suffered an injury, and much more headlines from Week 15 of the 2025 NFL season!

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