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29:24Shannon Sharpe:In Kraft's latest comments on Dudes Podcast, that's Julian Edelman and Gronk's podcast, Bob said, Mr. Kraft said he took a big risk in 1999 when he lured Coach Belichick away from a rival Jets. Edelman asked Kraft, what was his best decision he made since purchasing the Patriots? Kraft said, well, one that I got questioned the most was 1999. I gave the number one. He gave a first-round draft pick. That's not the number one overall pick. He gave a first-round draft pick in order to select Coach Belichick, who had only won a little over 40 % of his game, and to get him out, thinking that Coach Belichick to come to the Patriots in 1999 was a big risk.

30:08Shannon Sharpe:I got hammered by the Boston media, but he was with us for 24 years, and we did okay. Today, Coach Belichick said the risk was taken on the other side. As I told Robert multiple times through the years, I took a big risk by taking the New England Patriots head coaching job. I already had an opportunity to be a head coach in the New York Jets, but the ownership situation was unstable. Belichick went on to say he was warned by multiple previous Patriot coaches and other NFL organizations that taking the Patriots' job was going to come with many internal obstacles. I mean, as much – Two things can be true.

30:51Kind of, kind of.

30:54Shannon Sharpe:I don't – but here's the thing. Coach Belichick was right. Coach Belichick had a job. Coach Belichick took a huge risk because he left the situation for the uncertainty, and he listed all the things. They were$10 million over the cap. A lot of people, maybe, I don't know, his mentor, the guy that gave him his start and he looked up to was Coach Parcells. Coach Parcells left and became the Jets head coach, brought Coach Belichick with him, and then Coach Belichick was, I guess, the coach in waiting.

31:31Shannon Sharpe:me i i think i'm different ocho i've never had a problem

31:39Shannon Sharpe:fs1 and skip took a chance on me because no professional athlete had done what i did what did what i was doing what i was about to do which was sit across from a journalist and debate topics after topics. Football, basketball, track and field, golf, tennis, social issues, it doesn't matter. Ochoa, we'll get back to that. Right now, we got a very special guest joining us. He attended your receiver workshop. Jaden Reed, Green Bay Packers, wide receiver. Jaden, how you doing, bro? Hey, sports fans. Your away game road trip doesn't start at the kickoff. It starts on the road. Before heading to the game in Eugene, take a moment to enjoy the journey and explore Tualatin Valley, located just west of Portland and north of Eugene.

32:27Sip world-class Pinot Noir, soak in picturesque views, and craft a game day trip you'll talk about all season. Take the scenic route to Tualatin Valley and make every mile part of the game. Learn more at etvor.com slash fans. On Big Lives, we take a single cultural icon. People like Jane Fonda, George Michael, Richard Pryor. And we pull apart the story behind the image. And we do this by digging through the BBC's vast archive. We're talking iconic moments in broadcast history. I'm not just a boxer. I'm educated. I can talk all week on millions of subjects. And forgotten interviews that change how we see these giants of our culture.

33:10Well, if changing the system from the ground up is revolutionary, then I'm revolutionary. We're here for the messy, the brilliant, the human version of our heroes. I mean, when I go on stage, I like to dress as slutty as possible because it makes me dance better for some reason. I'm Emmanuel Jochi. I'm Kai Wright. And this is Big Lives. Listen to Big Lives on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get podcasts.

33:38College football will hijack your weekend, ruin your sleep, and break your heart. And that's why we make the Solid Verbal College Football Show. I'm Ty Hildenbrand. He's Dan Rubenstein. How's it going? Every week, we preview the games that matter, sort through the biggest storylines, and tell you what to watch before kickoff. There's a lot to keep track of. Who's for real? Which upset is hiding in plain sight? And which storyline is about to take over your group chat? And when the games are over, join us in the aftermath too. We're going to react to what happened, talk about the biggest results.

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35:39Jay, what's up? What? Man, ain't nothing, man. I'm right here, man. One foot in front of the other, you know, making it do what it do.

35:48Shannon Sharpe:Let me get your take on this, Jayden. What were some of the things that you learned at this workshop that you didn't know going into it?

36:05That was like one of the biggest things I took from it, like in the confidence and the swagger that everybody had out there. You know, I just feel like I need a little more greediness and dogs into my game. You know what I'm saying? I feel like I'd be too nice out there.

36:19Shannon Sharpe:Ain't nothing wrong with that. You got to believe you the baddest mofo on the planet, especially. It's true. Yes, sir. Look, if you don't have that as a wide receiver, bro, you ain't got nothing. Because I bet you best believe that guy that you're going across from, he got it. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yes, sir. What about some of the things? Because, you know, when I used to talk to guys, I was like, look, you want to play half a man. You never let a guy put the stop sign up in your chest. Half a man. Hey, you ain't getting both hands on me. You might get one and I'm going to break it. As soon as you stick it out there, I'm going to try to break the arm.

36:58Yeah, that forearm got to break it. You know that. Go ahead, Ocho. We talked about a little bit of all that too, Unk, man. Every route, you know, how to beat man, how to beat, you know, different coverages and what to do. Understanding leverage, how to get open, how to set people up, how to manipulate, you know, in transitioning and getting in and out of stuff. obviously it was only two days. There was only so much that we could do, but I want to give, you know, the young Bulls, even with them already having success, I want to give them enough information to be able to take one thing. Just take one thing from it that you can add to your game and go back and know that you've improved in some area, whatever it may be.

37:41And the funny thing about it, that the things that they're going to improve on, these players that happen to show up, including Jay, the thing that they're going to improve on are things that the naked eye can't see. people watching on tv you're not even gonna see it sometimes the coaches may might not be able to see it but i want them to be able to go back and make everyone's job around them easier hell jayden go back and and add something to his arsenal goddamn coach look at well shit this is something else this opens up the playbook because now what i thought he couldn't do well the fuck shit now he can but again when it comes to the nfl when it comes to players in general um and jay this i'm not talking about you in general um you know what what coaches have to do.

38:20Coaches sometimes have to hide players' weaknesses. So to me, that always limits a playbook and what they're able to do. What I can do, what I can do with you. Exactly. So I want them to continue to come, despite it looking good on Sundays at 1 o 'clock. Let's come here. Let's work on some things that are weaknesses that nobody else can see. Let's make our weaknesses our strengths so there are no holes in your game at all. So when you do go back, it makes everybody else's job around you easy, especially your offensive coordinator and your quarterback.

38:50Shannon Sharpe:Jay, let me ask you this. I don't know if you know this, but at one point in time, I was a big slow wide receiver that I ate and lifted my way down to a three-point stance, and I ended up moving to tight end. But the thing that I did at the tight end position is that I ran routes, but I was always thinking about the fourth quarter. So although he might like, oh, man, yeah, I D'd you up on that one. No, you didn't. I'm just sitting your ass up for something like that in the fourth quarter when I need it. Because I got to keep something. You know, I got to keep a little cash on me. Don't never leave home without some cash because everybody don't take credit cards.

39:27Shannon Sharpe:Everybody don't take American Express because they don't want to pay that 3%. Always leave home with a little cash on you. If it ain't nothing but$100 on your 20s. But I'm going to keep some cash on me because come fourth quarter, when you covered that seven route that you was up underneath, you ran to the outside like, yeah, I got that. now I'm going to run that basic cross on your ass. Yep. Is that how you think? Do you think about like when I'm running the route in the first quarter, second quarter, I'm sitting your ass up for the third and fourth? No doubt. You definitely can't pull everything out of the toolbox at once.

40:00Like you said, man, you got to keep a little cash on you for later. You know what I'm saying? You never know what you're going to need it for. So you know what I mean? It's different leverages like y 'all was saying. It's different leverages. It's different coverages you're going to see. So, you know, it's a lot of different techniques you got to use on different routes and looks that you're going to get. I 100 % agree with that, for sure. Sometimes you got to save it until a little later. I had a question. Do you have the freedom? Obviously, you're going into your third year, right? You're going into your third year.

40:29Yes, sir. Going into your third. With the concepts over there as far as when it comes to the passing game, do they allow you now that you're going into your third year, do they give you a little freedom to play with your splits sometimes? Because sometimes the plays and the routes that you run, they become repetitive. And obviously with the, you know, the defenders, obviously they study and film, they know, well, hell, if he go plus two, I already know what he's doing. If the ball's on the left hash or the ball's on the right hash and he's inside edge, I know what's coming. Are you allowed to play with your split a little bit as long as you end up in the same place every time?

40:59Okay. 100%. Yeah, going into year three for sure. You know, just understand the playbook and all that. The game's slowing down for me. So, you know, that's giving them more confidence in me to, you know, do stuff like that. You know, move a step out from the hash. You know what I'm saying? whatever they may be, one step out from the split, switch my feet, you know, that kind of stuff. So, you know, all that kind of stuff, you know, that stuff make a difference for when you got confidence in the play, but you can just play fast. For sure, they definitely, you know, giving me a little more freedom to do stuff like that.

41:29Man, Ocho, early in my career, I would line up wrong.

41:33Shannon Sharpe:Hey, Shannon, get over here. Did what I get. Oh, he don't even know what he doing. Yeah, I'm about to kick your ass. You think I don't know what I'm doing. I'm glad you think that. But I know I'm supposed to be on the right. That's the right-handed formation. I go to the left. They're like, hey, 84, 84. I'm like, oh, yeah, my bad. He don't even know what he got. Hey, don't worry about him. Yeah. I'm gone. Prime. Barbecue chicken. Exactly. But let me ask you this. John didn't have a problem. Because in practice, I like to try different things, Ocho. He says, I don't care what you do. You can go to the bathroom.

42:09Shannon Sharpe:You can go order a milkshake. you can do whatever. But when my back foot hit, as long as you're where you're supposed to be, I don't give a damn about all that other stuff. Exactly. Play fast. You know what I'm saying? Play fast. It gets the way you need to get. Because a lot of times, you know, like, hey, just run straight, give him a nod, break out. Give him a nod, I'll break in. Oh, you know, run down there. No, come on, man. You can't do that. Listen, these guys watch tape too. I hate coaches too when it comes to X and O's and a route is drawn a certain way on paper and they expect the route to happen the exact same way it is drawn up on paper.

42:46That's not the game of football. That's not the game of football. That's another reason why I was happy, you know, the young bull showed up because there's a hundred different ways to run one route. There's a hundred different ways to run one route and still stay within the time of the offense. anytime you get that many great players together in one spot and they all went the same routes there's always something you can steal from somebody else there's always something you can

43:11Shannon Sharpe:steal from somebody else you know baby oh you know hey jade i had a smart mouth so we we be hey they're gonna draw something up and i'll be gonna read it a whole different way and they're like 84 that's not the way we drew it up i say but with the way y 'all drew it up them x's and own didn't move i moved and he moved so that's why i read it the way i ran it and that's why it's on that paper that y 'all had it on yeah but but i like the fact if the coach will give you leeway he has to understand you got to realize i'm doing this in real time i understand what we saw on tape but what we saw on tape and what that joker just did on this route wasn't what we saw on tape so i had to go accordingly.

43:54Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we ain't robots, man. We ain't robots. I think sometimes, at times, offensive coordinators, obviously, speaking from an offensive perspective, they get caught in their ego. And one of the things that look exactly like their scheme, exactly like the way they drew it up. Not just...

44:11Shannon Sharpe:Well, they drew it up, Ocho. You know what I'm saying, Ocho. You draw it up. If I build a house, bro, I want you... Hey, ain't nothing wrong with this design. But sometimes you got to change it up a little bit, you know? Because... Sprinkle your own little, you feel me? Yes. Yeah. Yes. Come on, you got to. Sometimes they don't like it, man. Sometimes they don't like it. You got to. You feel me? Grandma mac and cheese ain't going to taste like Auntie mac and cheese. You feel what I'm saying? It's going to be a little different. You feel me? They going to sprinkle their own little. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

44:40Shannon Sharpe:But don't do too much because you know right now, Jay, they adding mozzarella. They adding cheddar. They adding pepper jack. They adding four, five, seven. Man, I got this seven cheese mac and cheese. No, give me one. Give me the cheddar. That's all I want, the cheddar cheese, okay? I don't want the seven-layer mac and cheese. Yeah. Right. Sometimes we do. Now, sometimes people can get too, you know, Elcho to add them grapes and pecans to the potato salad. You done messed up a great dish. This one's going to be a great dish, and you effed it up. Yeah. The rankings came out today, Jayden. The top ten receivers is voted on by coaches, scouts, and executives.

45:18Shannon Sharpe:Jamar Chase was one. Jefferson was two. Tyreek was three. CD was four. A.J. Brown was five. Almond Ross St. Brown was six. Malik Neighbors was seven. Nico Collins, eight. Mike Evans, nine. Garrett Wilson's ten. You like this list, and are we going to see next year in the 2026 rankings, or are we going to see Jayden Reed in the top ten? Hey, I love the list, man. You know, I don't make the rules, so, you know, that's what's on the list. And, you know, stat speak for itself. You feel me? Those guys, you know, got a great resume. And that's what I'm working for every day. You feel me? That's why I'm at the workshop.

45:53You feel me? Trying to learn from guys like that to put that into my toolbox and, you know, make myself a great receiver that I know I can be. So, you know, that's just motivation, man. Every day, you know, just remembering that, you know, kind of stuff and, you know, just going day to day in, day out, just working.

46:08Shannon Sharpe:Do you watch other guys? Do you, I mean, like when you watching tape, do you watch, say you watch a chaser, do you watch a jitter, or do you obviously Tyree's a little different animal? Because Tyree running like. Yeah. Yeah, he like lightning and lightning. You know, it's stuff you can take from everybody, though. You know, I watch everybody. I watch all. I even watch the younger guys. You feel me? Like, you know, Brian Thomas, you know, Malik Neighbors, you know, all those guys nice. You know, it's always something you can take from somebody else, you know. So, yeah, of course, I watch everybody take.

46:40You know, I watch Dontavion Wicks. He on my team. He got one of the best release packages I've ever seen. He's nice. Exactly. So, you feel me? I watch everybody in our room, you know, in our room, across the league, whatever it may be. You feel me? Like, you can learn from anybody. I mean, one of the things I love to do is I love.

46:58Shannon Sharpe:Put your mic up, Ocho. You look. Can you hear me now? Oh, yeah. I love the bottom of quarterback. I love the bottom of quarterback coming out the huddle to let him know I want the ball. Do you ever say anything to J-Love? Or you just let the plays just happen on their own organically? I ain't going to lie. I ain't really been doing it the past three years, but from college, from youth league to college, I did it a lot. That's one thing I could do better. You feel me? Just speaking up. You feel me? Yeah, I should have done more of that. Hey, look at me on this one. This is me right now. You feel me?

47:35So I could be better on that in the league. I ain't did that much in the league. Coming to the league, I've done it. You could do it a little bit. As long as it's not distracting, not distracting to the play calling. Because the quarterback, you know, the quarterback coming to the line, he already got a whole lot to worry about. He got to worry about calls, making calls, doing that.

47:54Shannon Sharpe:Well, if he just throw the ball to me, he ain't got shit to worry about. He ain't got nothing else to worry about. Just look my way. You good. I like it. I like it. Yeah. For sure. But look, there's been some chatter about your future. You know, you got Drew Rosenhausen. It was reported that he met with the Packers. like, hey, y 'all need to break my man off. He wants to be here, but he wants to be compensated. What can the Packer fans expect out of Jaden Reed this year and beyond a future in Green Bay? Man, just, you know, I'm always going to work, man. At the end of the day, you know, I had some drops.

48:30That was the talk of last year for me. So, you know, I'm proven that I went and invested in the judge machine. It's right there in my garage. I've been catching on it every day. So, you know, the crease on that, maybe I would have hit a thousand yards. You feel what I'm saying? So really it's me versus me at the end of the day. You know what I'm saying? I got to go out there. I got to perform. You know, it ain't on nobody else. You feel me? Besides my teammates. You know, the guys in the program. But at the end of the day, I got to do my part. I got to, you know, you can't hide it. You feel me?

48:58If you ain't working, it's going to show. So, you know, that's one thing for sure. I'm going to work and I'm going to compete. And I ain't scared of nobody. So you feel me? I'm just going to go out there and do what I do. at the end of the day, I'm going to let the rest take care of itself. You feel me? I don't like to do much talking. You feel me? I don't really talk on the field. But I feel like I need a little more fire. Yeah. I feel like I need a little more fire to myself. Yeah. I need to go, you feel me, more swag and more confidence. But, yeah, I've been humble for too long. It ain't give me why I even get to.

49:28Shannon Sharpe:Go on the field, James. Say, you suck, you suck, and you definitely suck. I don't even know why you even on the team. As a matter of fact, if you cover me today, you're going to be on the way for a while on Monday. Hey, and guess what? I'm going to give it to him. See, you, them two right there, they're going to get it the first half. You're going to get it the second half so you don't feel left out. You got to talk crazy to them. I'm on all that. I'm on all that. Once you get in the groove, like that first game, once you get in the groove and you find yourself cooking, but once that confidence cooking and you catch a rhythm and catch fire with J-Love, or just let everything take care of itself.

50:07That's it.

50:08Shannon Sharpe:Now just know when you talk, Jayden, they're going to be looking to take cheap shots at you. So keep your head on the swivel. But you know what? In the game of football, I can get your ass back and make it look like a block. I know. You feel me? That's why I'm going to get up and line that shit up. That's what I'm talking about. At some point. As long as you get up. Absolutely. When it's all said and done, how does Jaden want to be remembered as a wide receiver? Hopefully you spend another 10 years in Green Bay, but if you move on. What do you want your resume? When we said it, when it's all said and done, Ocho's resume, six-time Pro Bowler, All-Pro, led the league, led the AFC in receiving, you know, X, Y, and Z, my numbers, whatever they are.

50:58Go ahead. Go ahead. Four years and a little. Four years and a little. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

51:02Shannon Sharpe:Yes, sir. So how are we going to tell Jane's story? Shit, I really just want to be legendary. I want to be able to, you feel me? I want to have generations behind it. You feel me? Like, when my son come out, you feel me? I want motherfuckers to know that's his son. You feel me? Like, I want motherfuckers to know that he really did that shit at a high level. You feel me? Like, how it was supposed to be done. So you feel me? At the end of the day, I know I'm competitive. I feel like I'm the most competitive motherfucker on the planet. You feel me? I don't care who it is. I'm going to go 100 % and I'm going to try to do it better than the next person.

51:41So I just want to be remembered as a legend in this shit. So you know what I'm saying? I'm doing this shit for my pops. He's not here with me no more. He passed in 2015. He was at every game. You feel me? He the reason I'm doing this shit. Sorry for your loss. So if I stop right now, you know what I'm saying? I ain't accomplished nothing because, you know, he's here for me to live out and do it at the highest level. So that's what I'm doing.

52:05Shannon Sharpe:Wow. Well, thanks for coming by and sharing the story. Congratulations on going to the wide receiver workout. Best of luck this year. Hey, I can't think of a better time to have a great season. It's a contract year. Come on now. Come on. You know what I'm saying? Hey, go down there and get you 100 for about 1 ,300, 1 ,400 yards and about 14 touchdowns. And tell them break bread now. Break bread. You want 33. For sure. Make the money right. Money out of sight. Call the fight. Guttekes. You know it. Yeah. Ain't nothing to it but to do. That's it. Man, congratulations. Stay healthy this year. Have a great season.

52:40Shannon Sharpe:And when you get some time, come back and talk to us again, bro. I appreciate it, boy. For sure. Appreciate y 'all. Love. What's up? Yep. Hey, sports fans. Your away game road trip doesn't start at the kickoff. It starts on the road. Before heading to the game in Eugene, take a moment to enjoy the journey and explore Tualatin Valley, located just west of Portland and north of Eugene. Sip world-class Pinot Noir, soak in picturesque views, and craft a game day trip you'll talk about all season. Take the scenic route to Tualatin Valley and make every mile part of the game. Learn more at etvor.com slash fans.

53:19On Big Lives, we take a single cultural icon. People like Jane Fonda, George Michael, Richard Pryor. And we pull apart the story behind the image. And we do this by digging through the BBC's vast archive. We're talking iconic moments in broadcast history. I'm not just a boxer. I'm educated. I can talk all week on millions of subjects. And forgotten interviews that change how we see these giants of our culture. Well, if changing the system from the ground up is revolutionary, then I'm revolutionary. we're here for the messy the brilliant the human version of our heroes i mean when i go on stage i like to dress as slutty as possible because it makes me dance better for some reason i'm emmanuel jochi i'm kai wright and this is big lives listen to big lives on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get podcasts

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56:08Shannon Sharpe:Look. Ocho, we're going to get back into this Mr. Kraft and Coach Belichick. Look, we all have human, and we all have emotions. You get fired when somebody termination from a job, it leaves a nasty taste in your mouth, especially. And Coach Belichick was there for 24 years. You're talking about a guy that went to, what, 13 AMC championship games. He won 10 of what's 10? However many he won, they won six Super Bowls, X, Y, and Z. Mr. Krause says I took a chance on the guy because I got him out of the situation that he was in, a guy that only won 40 % of his game as a head coach. Both guys took a chance.

56:56Shannon Sharpe:Coach Belichick took a chance of leaving because he had a coaching job. And he left for a guy, you know, and I'm sure Coach Parcell said, you know, man, he meddled too much. he ain't never on no football team you know i think coach uh parcells famous line if you want someone to do the cooking you should at least let them shop for the grocery i think that was coach parcells i'm paraphrasing i don't know coach belichick make they say coach belichick is saying you try to make it seem like i was a nobody i did i did diagram one of the greatest defenses and shut down one of the greatest offenses ever in the Super Bowl.

57:38Shannon Sharpe:I did look. Yeah, I understand we didn't play well, and I didn't have an overall record, but if you go back and look at Cleveland and the situation that we got handed to us, I thought I did a pretty good job. I don't know why, because it's still fresh. Because when you – oh, Joe, this thing now, you have that level of success, and the ball say, yeah, yeah, yeah, we good. We appreciate everything you've done, but we good. Yeah. Hey, listen, every, every, everything has an expiration date on everything, everything, everything in life, no matter how great it may be, no matter how good it goes on, everything in life has an expiration date.

58:17It does. And they had a great run. They had a historic run. One of the, if you think about it before Belichick got to New England, how was that franchise?

58:30Shannon Sharpe:they went to the super bowl in 85 they got beat by the uh bears i think 45 to 10 and then they went 96 and they got beat by the packers by two touchdowns 35 21 but in between they were they were they were good a good and good and terrible so obviously i think it was it was everything in life is a gamble everything in life is a gamble so robert craft took one and Bill Belichick took one. Obviously, Drew Bledsoe. He took a chance on buying the Patriots. Absolutely. Listen, Drew Bledsoe was the quarterback, and God behold, you found fifth. I mean, what, fifth round pick? What round was buried? Six.

59:06Six.

59:07Shannon Sharpe:Tom, 199. Six round pick, one and nine. Just so happened. Moe Wells hits Drew Bledsoe, and after that, Moe Lewis. Moe Lewis. History is made. and look what came about based on the chances that each person took so everybody involved took a chance they did I just think that they look Ocho like I said Skip and FS1 took a chance on me Coach Davis took a chance on me but it was a damn good chance he's like yeah I know this guy Prop 48 but he better than anything we got here but that was still a chance because he didn't have to. The Broncos damn sure took a chance. Now, it wasn't a whole lot. I can see if they drafted me in the first two or three rounds, that's a chance.

59:57Shannon Sharpe:But you know what? I give them the benefit of the doubt, Ocho. They took me in the seventh round, 192. Oh, we talk about chances. Well, hell, the Bengals, they really took a chance. And if it wasn't for me having the Steelers staff at the Senior Bowl where Bob Brakowski stood on the table for me after watching me that was a week. in Mobile. How long? It's a week? Yeah. It's a week. After watching me four weeks straight, despite all the red flags. Oh, you talking about red flags? I went to 276 schools in an eight-year span? Oh, no. We not drafting that. Not that. Character issues. Man, listen, but when it came to playing the game of football, Barbara Kelsey understood what we were going to get.

1:00:46and man, listen, the Bengals took a chance on me and the rest was history.

1:00:52Shannon Sharpe:And you rewarded that. And so if the Broncos, if somebody from the Broncos, Lied Huggins, I don't think he's around now, John Beat was in that room, Coach Reeves, rest his soul, like I said, Coach Reeves, he drafted me, but he forgot to cut me. If they want to say we took a chance on Shannon, ain't got no problem with that. If Skip and whomever, Jamie Horowitz, say we took a chance on Shannon, they did but now if they took a chance on me and i don't think if i don't plan out you see you see everybody gets credit everybody wants credit when it goes well but when it goes bad don't nobody say well you selected such and such and it didn't turn out well they just want to take the credit for when things go good i'm cool with that i'm good i i know what i'm capable of doing all i wanted was an opportunity it's kind of like in poker uh they say if you got a a hand in the chair you got a chance you got cars in the chair you got a chance well if i got a helmet and shoulder pads and cleats i got a chance that's all i wanted was an opportunity i i so whomever gets the oh you remember you can be really good we can be really good as long as we don't care who gets the credit sometimes you see again you see suddenly who get the credit oh you see you see that i took a chance i took a chance that's crazy without even without even knowing they're doing it coach belichick i get it it's tough ocho when you have that level of success and all of a sudden they want to move in a different direction it's tough it's absolutely that long that kind of yes that long with that in my lifetime and i and hopefully I got another at least, I like to think I got at least another 15 to 25 trips around the sun.

1:02:40Shannon Sharpe:Some of us, you know, I just had 57, I got 57 summers under my belt. Maybe I give me 15, 25 more. But I don't believe we're going to see what we saw from the Patriots. I don't believe we're going to see that. Another team you repeat something like that? No. Yeah. Not in my lifetime. Now, maybe somebody, Ocho, maybe somebody in 21, in 21, like we, what, we in 2025? so maybe 2075 2100 you think we'll see it again but in the next decade two decades absolutely not listen absolutely not the only person right now combination of coached player that can might have a chance but I don't think they will come close to it unless they just go on some unbelievable historic run for the next what six seven eight nine years is Mahomes and brother Andy Reid Andy I mean but right Come on now.

1:03:30Every team is getting better. Every other team is also getting better.

1:03:34Shannon Sharpe:Oh, they absolutely are. Yeah. But I just think anything that Coach, anything that Mr. Kraft says, Coach Belichick's probably going to take issue to it. I'm not. I'm surprised. I'm surprised it didn't end on good terms, huh? I'm surprised it didn't end on good terms. Hell, no. No, Coach Belichick's looking at it like it's not like college coaches. Like Coach K got to walk out on his own terms. Coach Summit got to walk out on her own terms. Coach Smith got to walk out on his own terms. Coach Wooden, you know, Coach Geno. As long as Geno don't do anything crazy, if he wants to be there 50 years, he'll be there 50 years.

1:04:21Shannon Sharpe:Coach Belichick was looking at it like that. And I don't know. I mean, Coach Landry, they showed him the door. Damn. You know, so it happens. You got – in pro sports, it's win. I know – yes, I know. We compensated you for those wins. You're making – whatever he was making, I don't know, reports say 10, 15, 20 minutes. I don't know. I don't even care. It's like we just don't believe you're going to win moving forward. That sucks. So I can't pay you moving forward based on what you've done in the past. That's why guys get paid. Jamar Chase is not making$40 million because of what he's done. He's making$40 million for what they believe he can do.

1:05:09Shannon Sharpe:They believe Jamar Chase is going to give him – he might not win the triple crown, but we believe Jamar Chase is going to be the one or two – a top two, three receiver for the foreseeable future. So we're going to compensate him for that. because they paid him for that. I mean, he's a top five pick. He got a nice signing bonus. Jamar Chase made good money. The Browns and KD said, hey, Jamar, but we're going to pay you this because in 25 to 29, we don't believe there's going to be any drop-off and we're going to compensate you for that. So, Coach Belichick. That's crazy, huh? hey all good things must come to an end that that that is that is that is a great visual representation of such of a quote that's lived for a very long time and they're very there are many examples in my lifetime of things that were great that also came to an end so yeah for sure I mean, yeah.

1:06:13And normally, you know, they started with – they got let go Tom.

1:06:20Shannon Sharpe:But they had – I believe they had squeezed all the juice. Tom was going to still put up numbers, but with that roster, they weren't getting back and winning the Super Bowl again. Tom went to the perfect place. It was laid out for them. All they needed was a – They needed a quarterback. That's it. Think about it. Think about this, Ocho. Jameis threw for over 5 ,000 yards. What, 52, 5 ,300 yards? 30 touchdowns. 30 touchdowns. 33 touchdowns, 33 touchdowns, 30 picks. So just think, and they won like nine games. Just imagine if he throws half in the playoffs. Well, Tom Brady's never going to throw 30 interceptions in a game.

1:07:07Shannon Sharpe:Tom Brady, you might have to put two, three years together to get that many interceptions out of him. So you know all they had to have somebody to do to take care of the football. And you know, hey, you get hot at the right time. Exactly what happened. They got hot at the right time, which is what the Giants used to always do with Eli Manning. Nine and seven, make the playoffs and go on a run. Yep. jayden daniel had a wildly successful first season leading his team to the nfc championship game and winning ap offensive rookie of the year given jd's work ethic veteran teammate zach urts is particularly confident that the quarterback will continue to progress in year two from the outside looking in you could say he had a phenomenal year but in the back of his mind he said i could be better this year and it's crazy going into his second year how good he was last year but he's going to have that mentality for hopefully the next 15 year he has such high confidence in himself because he wants to be great that's really it really resonates with the rest of the guys on the field and the team he's with commanders also say oh they signed von miller oh what was this the commander just signed von miller what do you believe are the commanders see i mean listen they made it to the nfc championship last year They made it to the NFC Championship last year with a rookie quarterback that changed that franchise around.

1:08:39A rookie quarterback that wasn't afraid of the big stage. Hell, you just played at LSU. You just played at LSU and had success. So coming over there to D.C., coming to the commanders, the stage is not too big for you, and that's exactly how you play it all season long. Now, the one thing, they always talk about the sophomore slump. I don't think they're going to be a sophomore slump because what they have done is they've gotten better offensively. They brought in Debo Samuels. they got they got got brother bedivo defensively obviously defense it wasn't that bad they they weren't you know it wasn't the goddamn steel curtain or nothing like that but you you got bond right there in despite what people may say it's a great addition for them defensively he can still he still has the motor he can still go but i don't think the sophomore slump doesn't come from a quarterback not doing well it comes from film already being out there on

1:09:29Shannon Sharpe:yeah you're not going to sneak up on anybody this year so now film there's film on you so people know how to prepare they know how to stop you they know how to scheme for you so now you have to find other ways to win up here and that's all it comes down to being consistent when other teams know what exactly was coming being able to process that information a little bit faster than you did last year knowing when to use your legs knowing when to use your arm. You know, it's so many other factors. I'm sure he's matured more. He knows the playbook even better. So he can play freely. You don't have to think as much.

1:10:08You don't have time to think, really, honestly. Not at that position. So I think the commanders are going to be all right. They're going to be fine. They're dissing the Devo. Hell, Terry McLaurin, they're going to make him happy. He's going to get paid. He's going to get paid because you need that number one. You need that number one.

1:10:30Shannon Sharpe:Boy, that Gary Wilson, they didn't want that one. But listen, even if they didn't pay Gary Wilson, you got to do right by Scary Terry. You got to do right by Scary Terry. Yeah, but I'm saying, but that's the bottom now, Ocho. The bottom is$30 million. That's the floor. Oh, they got it. They're going to give it to him. He's like, hell, I want a bed. I ain't trying to sleep on the floor. I would have made it. That's 32. They're going to give it to him. They got to. Because you know what's going to happen? The same thing they did with Chase. What's that? You know number nine went up there and said, okay, let's get it together now.

1:11:07Let's get it together now. So at some point, with Jay and Daniels understanding, when it came to putting the ball in the air, I know there's one target that can count on. I know what Debo's done in the past. He's on a new team, but I need my number one target. I don't want to play this game. I need my number one target. I need my number one target with a free, clear mind coming into training camp. Not thinking about nothing else, just being able to focus on ball and get ready for that NFC East. Yeah, NFC East, right? Yeah, NFC East. Absolutely.

1:11:39Shannon Sharpe:Cam Hayward says, TJ Watt needs to get paid, finish his career as a one-helmet guy. TJ Watt does not have a contract extension yet. Talks are dragging out, but Watt is expected to get the deal that would top the$40 million annual average of Miles Garrett. Teammate Cam Hayward weighed in on Watt's situation. Man, that's my brother. I want that dude to get paid what he deserves. That dude is one of the most fierce, best players in our league, and he's been respected throughout the league. We've created a lot of havoc together. I just want to see the guy continue to be a Pittsburgh Steeler and be a one-helmet guy.

1:12:15Shannon Sharpe:When asked about the potential trade, Hayward said, I'm going up to steal his gym, Omar Khan, and I'm telling him that's not happening. If there are even trades that gets up there, I don't think it helps our team to trade a guy like that. Hey, listen. Let me tell you something. It's scary, too. And this is coming from someone that loves the Bengals. If I was to cut myself right now, it's going to bleed black and orange. If they pay T.J. Watt, you got Cam Hayward. god damn it you got Jalen Ramsey you got Darius Slay you got Joey Porter Jr. you got brother Queens in the middle man come on man come on man a nasty nasty defense to me which I think which I think depending on how DK and Aaron Rogers and Calvin also the third and depending on how they mesh the identity has now shifted back to the Steelers not being an offensive team.

1:13:17Their identity is now back their goddamn defense like it was back in the 2000s. Now, I'm just basing that based off the names that are on there. You still got to play with continuity and play as one. Hell, one band, one sound. But based on what you have, it should look like that. It should. All the names look good on paper. But if they sign TJ Watt, you got Cam, then you got that secondary everybody I just named. Shh, man. Come on now. Yeah.

1:13:49Shannon Sharpe:I think what's causing them pause, I think, is his age. You know, giving a guy 40-plus million, making him the highest paid when he's in his 30s. That's normally reserved for quarterbacks. Right. Just saying. They looked at TJ and was like, okay, over the last two to three games, there was a drop in production. Was that, were you nicked? Was that age? Was that attrition? We don't know. they let it come down to the the final hours everybody's going to camp here in the next three to five days right? The rookies report on the 19th and mostly everybody else reports the 22nd and the 24th yeah wait you think you're going to report to camp?

1:14:39Shannon Sharpe:man they make it so cost prohibitive now bad they'd be slapping the five hundred fifty thousand man listen man i mean if you miss i mean and now they don't they won't let you forgive them oh so you because you know back in the day on show you miss camp they signed the contract team forgive the fines you come on in nah not now so excuse me tj said okay whatever fines i encourage y 'all have to put that in the check because i don't mind giving y 'all a million dollars but y 'all gonna yay y 'all gonna pay me 40 40 40 and a half well hell if camp get ready to start too uh sticks ain't got paid over there with the cowboys yet either nope he already said he gonna get exactly what he worth and he wants to be the highest paid he gonna be it maybe they now jerry jerry jerry's tried to go behind his back and try to do a handshake deal micah no but michael's hired athletes first David Mugoletta is his agent.

1:15:38You think they're purposely waiting for TJ to sign before they do?

1:15:43Shannon Sharpe:Well, no. I think the thing is he's looking at, look, the number is 40. That's the number. Miles Garrett got 40. So we're going to be north of 40. Because look at, think about it. Look at Patrick Sertan. He was the highest in 24 million. In three months, it's the 30 now. So you realize when you sign a contract, you not been to be the highest paid for long. You're not. You're not. So I don't know what's the next position that's going to come up. That's going to command that guy. That's going to command. Okay. He's the highest paid, but give it a little time. Somebody going to be right behind you.

1:16:24Shannon Sharpe:So you have it. You have it for a week, a month, maybe a year. If you're lucky, you'll get it for a year. But other than that, somebody coming to take that top mantle. Hey, I'm good. I'm good. I can't worry about what somebody else got. At this point in time, Ocho, this is what – they gave me what I asked for. I can't be mad if somebody comes behind me, Ocho, and get more than what I got. I got exactly what I asked for. You asked for$41 million, they give you$41 million. Now, a year later, somebody come get$42.5 million. Why you mad? You can't be. You got what you asked for. That's what the market was at the time.

1:17:02No. the market was at the time. I'm excited. I'm assuming it will hell. That means Micah got to go north of 43 then.

1:17:12Shannon Sharpe:Micah,

1:17:16Shannon Sharpe:if TJ gets that 40.1 Micah, I don't care what y 'all do. 40.1, 25 cents, but I'm going to be the highest league defensive player. What did you say? By a quarter? hey i would be the highest paid i don't care about how much for a period of time it might not be for but a hillbilly excuse me heartbeat but i don't be the highest paid defensive player i know i know who the highest paid non-quarterback that's what everybody's going for chase says i want to be the highest paid non-quarterback miles garrett says i'm going to be the highest paid non-quarterback so i think that's what if all the non-quarterbacks especially now obviously they're not going to pay no offensive linemen, no linemen.

1:18:00Shannon Sharpe:Not that kind of money, no. That kind of money, but. Oh, but I could tell you, I could. But D-line, oh yeah, because you see Miles Garrett. You saw Joey, Nick Bosa. I could tell you who going to be next, though. That's going to trump all three of those contracts. It's going to trump whatever T.J. Watt gets. It's going to trump Micah, and it's going to trump Miles Garrett. Oh, you're talking about Jalen Carter? Not only Jalen Carter, young bull over there with the Rams, too. Oh, we have jabers? Yeah, he got another year after this year, Ocho. Well, he got this year and then next year. So that'll be three.

1:18:40Shannon Sharpe:They'll come see him after third year. Jalen Carter might get, man, I wouldn't be surprised that young bull get by 45, 50, man. And if he repeats the kind of season he had last year? I don't think he realized how good he can be oh he has to understand at this point because he's heard it from enough people in our position outside of us he's heard it from the people on the outside and just watching the game he got to understand by now he's hearing it from the people that he plays with including the coaches in that facility oh he knows how good he is because he displayed it and put it on goddamn film week in and week out he got to know

1:19:29Man, I should have been a D lineman, man. I would have been like Aaron Donald.

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