LIVE from Las Vegas Part 2: Club 520 COLLAB, Devin Haney, Shawn Porter

19:40I think that's the dope part.

19:41Shannon Sharpe:That absolutely is. Go ahead. Man, no, I'm still the same way about him. Even being on here with you guys, like, we didn't think we'd be sitting down with you. Chad, we watch our show at night. We laugh. We joke with y 'all. We feel like y 'all are cousins, our distant cousins or whatever. And we grew up, like, watching y 'all for real. Come on, boy. Everybody had the 85 jersey, bro. That was a staple. Come on, man. He had goals on the field. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You had all that. So we, like, was fans of your game. And then when I realized I could lock you up, I was like, he got good feet.

20:10But, like, I could guard him. Yeah, that's what I said. He was cool. You know what I do enjoy? I enjoy false confidence because that's what he has. He has false confidence. Like me, you both got that. Hold on, listen. No, not both. Not both. I have the greatest feet of all time. Notice he mentioned my feet? Yeah. I have the greatest feet of all time regardless of sport. Oh. Yeah. Now, would you agree that his feet is some of the best you've ever seen from an NFL player? Yeah. He got my feet. I mean, stand on it. That's why I don't understand why you even think you could take me on the court. On a post, it's just this big down there.

20:41It's too small, man. He's trying to give you some love. Go ahead.

20:46Shannon Sharpe:The thing is, he understands that his feet needed to be like that because of his slight frame. He wasn't built like a Megatron. Megatron's 6 '4", 240. He wasn't built like Julio. Julio's 6 '3", 225. T.O., those big Brandon Marshall, those big physical receivers that want to play the contact. They want you to put your hands on them because now I can put you close enough, I can put my hands on you and throw you out the way. Ocho understood from a very young age. He's like, I can't play like that. So I got to be in a situation where I can't let you touch me. I have. But when your feet just as good as his, like, what that mean?

21:24Because my feet like that. Your feet like what? That's what it was leading to. That's what I was leading to. Is that what you want to talk about? Yeah, that's what it was leading to. So you're saying your feet like mine? Yeah. I ain't never seen it? Respect.

21:40Shannon Sharpe:Respect. You know what I'm saying? That might be what we was talking about. When we was doing some extra stuff, you know, we go. Cameron, I'm telling you, 520 versus nightcap, one-on-one. Y 'all going to post it, right? What you mean? We're going to be live. Oh, even better. So we can't remember it. No editing, no nothing. So the work you get, everybody can see. The world is going to see it. You still train? Yeah. Just what he's talking about. I know you live. I'm saying you still train. I know you be working with some of the players. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm about 220 right now. And are you still eating McDonald's every day?

22:10Yeah, man, look at your seat. His body? Look at his legs, right? That was amazing, though, bro. Yeah. We talking crazy, but, like, the fact that you used to get up every day and order McDonald's, like, he be on me about eating. He look real? Yeah. But he don't eat, he like, bro, nutrition. You eat healthy? Not really. Kind of, sort of. Oh, no, man. But I'm saying for you to even have that type of career, you, like, got to be the only athlete to ever have a career you had. Well, I'm the only person. You think about what you ate as a little kid. based on where I'm from, based on circumstances and my surroundings and upbringings, I ate a certain way.

22:42When I made it, I kept eating that same way. I didn't have no injuries when I was little, and I didn't have nothing when I got to the league. That's what I'm saying. I don't know how you just overcame. You get to the NFL, you get to whatever your dream is, whatever your childhood dream may be, and you make it to a profession, then all of a sudden all these experts come out the goddamn blue and change it would always work for you. I just chose not to conform. No, we didn't know any better.

23:06Shannon Sharpe:We ate what was available. I knew I was going to be eating that the rest of my life. As soon as I got some money, man, you changed. You damn right. I tried to change before I had money. Well, Roy. I said, when you got your money, you wasn't going to change. That's a lot. I got my chicken. I was gone. You going to the fight? Yeah, 100%. Yeah. Damn. Historic event. Who you got? Who you got? My heart says Bud, but my mind says Canelo. I got Canelo. Serious? Yeah, I want Bud to win, but if I was a betting man, I'm betting with Canelo. Being realistic? Yeah. And you're going Bud. Bud, knockout, eighth round.

23:50I got Bud, too. What's the odds? What is pay? Plus 800 for the knockout. So I don't know what's the decision. I don't know what that is. Looking like Christmas. Plus 800? Plus 800.

24:04Shannon Sharpe:That's a lot. Shit. It's a lot. You cash in on that, it's going to change some lives. Yeah, yeah. Especially if you put down some real paper. You put about 10 bands down on that. Shit. You'll go crazy. I ain't putting that down. We can pool our money together to get a little something. Hey, last time we was up here. Amy, bomber. They'll bump you. So we probably get like 90. You got to watch this. You got to watch him. Yeah, they'll bump you. We pool our money together, we might can do a little something. Yeah. For sure. I got a quick little 250. You got to lose 250. I got 300. I got something on it.

24:39I got 300. I got 250.

24:42Shannon Sharpe:You got a stat. I'll cover the rest. Leave it at me in God's hands. What's up, bro, with that dude, man? Who's some guys that you would love to have? I mean, you have a lot of sports figures, but do you think about getting outside of that? Do you think about getting, say, like some celebs? Who would you like to have on 520? But y 'all literally in the morning, though, man. Yeah, but. It's hard to get somebody early in the morning. It's hard to get people in the afternoon. We got our nice show club, 520. We would love to have Adam Sandler. That's like one of my favorite people in the world. Yeah, that's good.

25:14I want to hoop with Adam Sandler. That's like.

25:17Shannon Sharpe:How'd that man be hooping in the Ozai shirt? Now, I don't know. That's what it is. Definitely Ozai. Trader Joe's fits for sure. He'll have a polo shirt and be dropping down behind the back. Yeah. He might be able to take you. Who? I watched the highlights, bro. No, no, they don't try to. You and Kosta Naha likes a very similar. Don't try. Jack with the LBA is mercy. LBA is sad, man. Turn me up. Shannon coached us Kosta. That's crazy. He's terrible. He trying to deflect. That's what he trying to do. What I'm deflecting, bro? Smoking mirrors. 520 versus nightcap. I ain't trying to hit nothing by nothing else.

25:52All right, man. We're going to set that up. Joe Johnson, though. Wait, hold on. Who's going to cover Joe? No, I'm talking about on the show. When he asked him, you know, who else we want on the show, we want to. Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe. Oh, yeah. We've been with y 'all. We've been looking for y 'all. Respect.

26:06Shannon Sharpe:Man, the chat told us, man, Joe done spoke more on night count than Joe spoke in his whole career. That's the fact. Whole career. I was Joe's teammate for it. People are like, man, I ain't even know Joe could talk. I'm like, well, hell, I ain't never heard him talk anything. He came on the show. I was his teammate for, what, four years? Yeah. I never heard him talk that much. At all, bro. At all. Really? At all. I used to go to his house every other day. he will leave you in his house and go to his room. You'll be like, Joe, I'm here for you, brother. Joe, he – but you can tell by his personality that he's really a quiet brother.

26:42He's really just like – and that's what I'm saying.

26:45Shannon Sharpe:Like, okay, you know, Joe's going to join us because we thought he was going to come on for one. He's like, man, I like this. You don't talk, I mean, you don't talk. Yeah, it's fast. I'm like, hey. Now, that's good, y 'all getting people to, you know, see his actual personality. But y 'all can put Joe on y 'all team. We ain't running from Joe. Huh? Ain't nobody running from Joe. Oh, man, it's open. Come on. Nah, nah, nah. We good. We good. We good. You gonna play? We gonna ice up. We good. I'm down in the post. Jordan. Quiet confidence. It's not what you see. It's what you feel. A suit tailored just for you.

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30:38Shannon Sharpe:Now, back in high school, Natig, I was like that. Well, give me a stat line. I need a stat line. I'll tell you, like, this here. Me and Purvis Ellison was on the same area team in the area playing. Yeah. He was a starter and I was a starter. That's all I'm going to say. I'm going to say. He was wrong in high school. Okay. I'm just going to say. I was like that. He was all American, actually. I averaged 30 my senior year. Oh. You hoop too? Okay. He ready. So, what you average in high school? Oh, high school. Oh, I'm a 32-12-10. No. It was so quick, too. Huh? He didn't even think about it. No, because I remember.

31:18I remember back then. I had to do everything. See, when you watch the big three, Hezzy said, I need to make sure I score everything. So, what's his name? Don't win the MVP. So, damn. He didn't win my mind. No, so Gilly don't win the MVP. I said, all right. Well, shit, I'm going to rebound. I'm going to get it right to you. So, that's why I really went out there trying to go to the bucket and do, you know. No, but I really. I respect that.

31:41Shannon Sharpe:I got a career high of 52. Damn. Damn. Damn. What year was that? 80, 85. 62, no threes. All in the paint. No, you got to realize the three-pointer wasn't in until – three-pointer didn't come in until 86. I was gone. If I had a three, ain't no way. Damn. Three-point line. Three-point line. In high school, it didn't come in until 86. 52 are all in the paint. Damn. I was going to say the NBA, they had it. The NBA, they got it in 79. Yeah. Damn, so how was you scoring? Anywhere I was. Anywhere I was. You know, I don't know, baby. I ain't going to the right. So who was your game like? Charles Barkley?

32:22Yeah, baby. I was on Barkley.

32:26Shannon Sharpe:I could shoot. I could shoot. Yeah. But I'm going through your chest. Yeah. I mean, if I found out there, I got like four with charges. Four with charges. I ain't going to lie. 52. You was killer. Yeah, he was killer. 52, 37, 35, 31, 31, and 19. Wow. You was all-American. Parade all-American. I said a lot. I was all-American. I was all-American, too. I should have been. In basketball? Yeah, I was all-American. What sport you? I got to start looking his stats up, man. I'm the best at soccer. You know, soccer's my love. Yeah, I know. That's my number of sport. But in high school, I ain't even playing the fourth quarter.

33:00I was coming out of the game allowing everyone else on the bench to play. And I was still averaging 32, 12, and 10. I really did it too. I'm going to tell you my play style. Who you played like when you was in high school? I was like a mixture of John Marant and Russell Westbrook. Y 'all ready, man, man. You know what I mean? You think you were explosive like John and Russ. I could believe it was that explosive. Yeah, I'm explosive. I'm just saying. I was a three-level scorer in high school. You hear me? Sometimes if I got to back it down in the pool, I can do that. I had a nice little midi-like shape.

33:33I was something like that. And I'm not saying I was Steph, but I was Steph-like. Well, who did you grow up watching? Because you didn't grow up watching that. Who did you grow up watching? You talking about John Moran? He wasn't even thought of. I know. I was watching my daddy. Okay. My daddy. My daddy had prison footage. You know, in prison, my daddy was averaging 42. Damn. You know, them boys go hoop. You average foot in prison. You cold? Yeah. 42 in prison. There's any context. You know how they play. 42 in prison. You probably averaged 35 in real life. Yeah. I know.

34:03Shannon Sharpe:But I gave up basketball. If my brother had to play basketball, I really, really would have tried to stick with basketball. But he wasn't the basketball player that I was. He was better at football. I went to college. I said, man, damn, damn, this basketball. I gave up everything. Basketball, track. All I did was focus on football. Made the right decision. For sure. It paid off. I wanted to be big. I had started lifting weights and my body had started to change. And I was like, man, who? Yeah. Y 'all remember Lorenzo Charles? Y 'all remember when he dunked the ball in the 83 to beat Houston? Yeah.

34:39He came back that next season.

34:41Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, what you going to shoot? Nah, for sure. You don't have to play no basketball. You ain't got to do it still. Yeah. I mean, he really, he should have been a defensive lineman. He should have just looked like Julius Peppers. Yeah. That's what he should have done. You look crazy in the football. I mean, a basketball uniform, bro. He was too strong, bro. Yeah, he do, he do. And just think Pep. Pep literally started at UNC. Yeah. Who's going to go through that? You think he's the greatest basketball player? I mean, football player to play basketball? What about Antonio Gates?

35:12Antonio Gates. But he played at North Carolina, though.

35:15Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Okay, yeah. But Gates took a team to the Elite Eight. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. He was killing, too. He every 20 and 8. He was killing, too. He was like them. He was legit. He was a legit basketball player. Don't forget Jimmy Graham, too. I played against him in college. Yeah, he was just fouled a lot. I played him in college when he was at Miami. He was just fouled. Who nice down in the NFL? Probably Tee Higgins, though. Tee Go Hoop. Wrong. Tee Nice. Tee Nice Hooper. Or Old Boy from the Bills. Keon. Oh, Keon Coleman. Yeah, he got you. Yeah, he got you. What about DK? No? He can't make it.

35:50He's not good as Keon Coleman. He's too strong.

35:52Shannon Sharpe:DK just dunking. Yeah. Yeah, he go dunk on you. Yeah, he's a little better for real. We used to have, before you got to Ocho, teams used to have guys that played basketball, and they would go around and play the fire department. They played the police department. For real? Oh, yeah. That's dope. They would play other teams. Guys would play the Raiders. They would go around. Ricky Dudley had a nice little game. But he was like 6 '6". I mean, guys that played, you know, they were just in the league on their rookie year. They've been playing all that time. Yeah, yeah. it's a different skill set we lift too much to shoot a basketball by the time I started lifting I'm like ooh I need to back up I got too much shoulders I got too much trying to shoot did y 'all ever answer that question though about like what's the easier to transition from basketball to football it's easier to transition a basketball player playing football than a football player playing basketball Because basketball is more skilled Yeah There ain't no question about that But It's like The argument that I was having They were talking about oh he could go play football right now No he can't No he can't No no no no He cannot go Nobody go in the UA play basketball in 10 years Oh he can go make a team What are you going to play Go out there and receive if you want to Okay I think it's different, though.

37:25I mean, y 'all are professionals. Y 'all know. But I think if you ain't played football and you hooped in college, I think you can just transfer and go to the NFL. No, you got to have a background.

37:37Shannon Sharpe:See, Antonio Gates played football in high school. He didn't play in college. But he had a background. He had a foundation. But not to know. I get it like Draymond. Y 'all saw Draymond? The football background. It's Dane. I ain't got it now. All right, man. Okay, okay, okay. You got to have a foul. Dane looked crazy. Yeah, Dane was nasty for him. He looked crazy. So he didn't understand how to get open. He didn't understand how to move. Dane understood it because, like I said, he hadn't played since he was in college, but he played all throughout junior high. He played all throughout high school.

38:17Pemp just continued. Yeah. And Pep just like, yeah, I'm going to be the number two pick in the draft.

38:25Shannon Sharpe:I'm going to go and get this basketball. I'm going to get this basketball thing up. I'm going to be pretty good. But you're not going to find a guy like Pep. You're talking about a guy that's 6 '7", 285, could run 4 '5", got a 40-inch vertical. Different. Real athlete. That's crazy. I know it was hard for you, though, Chad, to choose between basketball and football. What made you do this? Nah, it was hard for me to choose between football and soccer. Oh, football and soccer. I don't really care nothing about basketball. I just happen to be able to play it because God gifted me with a certain ability that don't many have.

38:57There it is. But soccer is always my love, always been my number one love, and I still play at the team to this day. I play with the Jamaican squad in Miami on the weekends, and that's pretty much it. Yeah. But I look forward to beating y 'all last, though.

39:11Shannon Sharpe:I left the football field, all my other sports, other than CrossFit and in the gym, it was over for me. I ain't picked up a basketball. I ain't picked up a football. Well, you need to start training because we finna play them board. We don't want no excuses. We got to go in the gym. I don't got too much. Nah, that's why we got you down in the post. Nah, ain't nobody going up. Are you scared? He's scared. I'm built like a wrestler. Well, how you going to cover me and I'm built the same way? No, you're not. I just got the jacket on. No, he's not. My son about your size.

39:47Shannon Sharpe:So how much more do y 'all got? Y 'all done for today? Or y 'all are getting started later? Yeah, we got one more show, I think. Yeah, we got one more show. So y 'all are 520, Club 520, and then 520 a.m. 520 a.m. is live, right? Yes, sir. And then y 'all tape the Club 520. 930 every day, Monday through Thursday. Well, Monday through Thursday. So Monday through Thursdays, 520 a.m. Yes, sir. And you tape. How many shows do Club 520 you tape? We drop on Monday. So two on Monday through Thursdays. Yep. So y 'all got stuff in the can? So how far out? So you try to store them. So you try to get like five, six shows in the can?

40:28Oh, no, we drop the heaters. Yeah. We drop them immediately. We would love to sit on them. We would love to grab something and sit on them for sure. but no but I'm saying but I'm saying like okay let's just say

40:40Shannon Sharpe:for the sake of argument y 'all went y 'all went y 'all got this interview yeah do y 'all try to get another interview before you guys drop it or you just get the interview and say okay we gonna drop it no no we got that fire bombs away baby because we didn't want our show to be based off of interviews okay we wanted to be based off of us so we wanted to have a show that we can do our thing with right like people will still tune on to us so when we do get an interview it's just like a plus to us oh okay yeah okay okay for sure So what would you say, what would you tell the audience? What's the difference between 520 AM and Club 520?

41:12Well, sports is 520 AM. He's going to give a full breakdown. DJ, you know, I'm the relief, of course, but that's really more focus on sports. Club 520 is all the foolishness. Yes. All the unanimity. Yeah, we're going to make a joke. It ain't never no hard feelings. We're just joking and, you know, just having God talk, keeping it clean. Oh, yeah.

41:32Shannon Sharpe:Man, y 'all be on MPJ. Y 'all be on that man hard. Oh, man. He was on us. See, Club 520 got to meet 520 a.m. sometimes. See, MPJ be on Club 520. He won't be on 520 anymore. We got to have a real conversation with my boy. Man, he crazy, man. Yeah, he be giving up all the stuff. Man, I'm like, you got to keep selling that to yourself. Everything ain't for public to see. Do y 'all think some athletes should just tone that down? You think he doing too much still to still be active like that? Oh, yeah, he just.

42:04Shannon Sharpe:But that's what he is. That's what I was about to say. And he doesn't see that. Man, I ain't doing that. I'm just telling. Yeah, I know. You just tell it. I know. But it's just some of the things that he's saying about the gambling. Man, if you could hook your homeboys up. Yeah, I was like, you're giving him the recipe right there. He got back up and said, wait, that's what you said. We didn't say that. We asking why you said that. He's like, yeah, y 'all don't got a troll. Y 'all already getting enough money, which we not. You know what I'm saying? You can't get too much of that. Yeah, right.

42:39But I'm saying he was like, basically we was making up stuff. Like, you literally gave us a play on how to bet with our friends. Like, you know what I'm saying? So, shout out to MPJ, though. That's the thing.

42:49Shannon Sharpe:You just got to be careful. Because people will take anything that you say, they take it as serious. They take it as bad. Yeah. Man, you heard that? because we've all, you know, been in the league, man. What you think of this game? I don't think nothing. Don't ask me nothing because you get jammed up the first day that you're going to give up the big thing. Man, my boy Sharp hooked it up, man. He said, man, take this because he knows. When it comes to that, don't ask me about no game. Don't ask me about who's playing, who's not playing because I ain't got nothing but it. No, for sure. I ain't got nothing but it.

43:19Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. And we also encourage, hey, don't put yourself in a bad situation. It's cool. We're not looking for clickbait. We're not looking to go rival. Please don't say something you got to back up because we had an incident on our show. And when you go back and look at it, it looks terrible. But we don't want to put nobody in the situation. We want to come on and have fun and celebrate you. But don't put yourself in a clickbait situation. Look, you can't win because it's hard to beat the social media bar. It's a fact. You can't. You know, somebody come on and they share a story, y 'all gossiping.

43:51Shannon Sharpe:You ask a guy a question, he tell, how am I gossiping? I just asked a question. That's normally what happens And y 'all sit around talking Hey man what y 'all do the other night Oh you gossiping For sure that's true That's what we've come to If somebody says something That somebody doesn't like you gossiping Or you hating one or the other I ain't nobody hating on y 'all bro It ain't that deep As a Ex-professional athlete I don't watch the game As a fan Yeah. He scored good. He got interception good. I'm trying to figure out why. What were they in? Okay, they were in three wide. They were in an empty center.

44:34Shannon Sharpe:I'm looking at, okay, they're in 21 personnel. They're in 11. They're in 12. They're in scat protection. They ripping. They lizard. Okay, coverage. They in quarters. They in cover two. They in cover five. They in six. I play quarters on man. Yeah, I do. They play quarters on man. Yeah, that's my. And so that's my thing. I'm looking at that down in distance. I'm looking at the area on the field, you know, red zone. So I'm looking at stuff like that. And so a lot of times guys get mad because they know they can't move. Yeah. See, the fan, a casual fan, bro, I don't mean to bad, but I'm 267. Yeah.

45:13Shannon Sharpe:Okay, if y 'all know that, I'm 267. Yeah. Of 30 ,000 men that's ever played this game, coached this game, owned a team, be a general manager, I'm 267. I got the credentials. So ain't nobody hating on you. I already did it. It's your turn to do it. But you did mess up. Yeah. You did mess up. I just leave it at that. I don't go. When I was young, I would go back and forth with a guy. I'm like, what the hell am I going back and forth with a guy? I say what I say and I keep it moving. But the most times, I see a lot of guys, when I see them, they're like, man, you hard. But I tell you what, you fair.

45:51Shannon Sharpe:You call it just like you see it. And people, y 'all see me. I've called Peyton Manning out. I've called Tom Brady. I've called Reeves out. Right is right. Wrong is wrong. If I see a guy made a mistake, he made a mistake. I'm not trying to take away anything. You can't take away something. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. You going crazy. What happened? I ain't never heard you go against Bron. Oh, yes, I have. Oh, yeah. You better go. They're going to have to do a whole YouTube monologue about you. Go ahead. Go check the tape. Go check the tape. Go check the tape. With Bron. shit, yeah. The old Bron on the screen.

46:23Bron can do some crazy. Uncle's like, shit, he should have been there. He should have gone there. Damn.

46:29Shannon Sharpe:Nah, nah, nah. You know, sometimes they be going crazy. Y 'all be going crazy. But, nah, LeBron has made some plays of that, you know, hey, nah, that ain't his fault. You threw that without a bounce, Bron. I was just talking shit because I know you fuck with Bron him. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the thing is, I think, and he appreciates that. He's like, oh, you real. Yeah. Hey, they know. They know. For sure. I don't got no ill will to work with everybody. I want everybody to get$500 million. Hell, I just tell my mom all the time. You mean to tell me you couldn't wait 10 years? You had to be done with kids at 24?

47:06Shannon Sharpe:Damn. Tell my mom the same thing. Damn, give me all that money. Nah, for sure. These guys, Todd is making more money in one year than I made the whole career. Can you get some of that? Nah, for sure. Nah, I love playing when I play. Because I have a greater appreciation, and I got an opportunity to see and play with a lot of the greats. And so, look, I'm not envious of these guys. Life, God has blessed me tenfold. If I don't make another dime, God, you've been too good to me to begin with. So, hey, I'm good. But we're going to make some money. Oh, yeah, absolutely. We're going to make some money.

47:37That's going to happen. If you play right now, don't you? I feel like you already was a popular player, but with social media and how you play. I was up there without social media. Yeah, you. It would have been crazy. How crazy do you think would have been? Would have been dumb. He'd have been the biggest. For sure, bro.

47:54Shannon Sharpe:No, I couldn't because I wouldn't be able to hold my tongue. I'd be calling everybody out. You terrible. You terrible. You terrible. Yeah. I'm going to give it to you the first quarter. He get it the second quarter. And just so you don't feel left out, you're going to get it the whole second half. I love it. They would have mic'd him up. It would have been crazy. Oh, yeah. Oh, man. Social media. And I could literally go on social media and ask somebody that I'm going to play against. Yeah, I guess. Oh, y 'all getting disrespectful before the game? What? Oh, yeah. I know you would have. Oh, yeah.

48:29I did all my talking before the week of the game. Sending gifts? Oh, man. You sending gifts to Revis? No, no, no. That's the one time I lost. That's the one time. That's the one time I lost.

48:41Shannon Sharpe:You had to pick a Jew. Like, you could curse a lot of people. Like, you had to know who to curse. Yeah. Like, you couldn't curse Reggie White. You already know who he was. Don't wait. Oh, no. He hurt your quarterback. He a minister. Everybody's like, he ain't cussed. No, no, no, no, no, no. Demonstration. Yeah, yeah. But, I mean, you knew who the bond was. Yeah. And because you knew who would go back and forth with you. And normally it was like the D-line. I said, I ain't even talking to your fat ass. I'm talking to you. But he ain't going to say nothing. I said, well, I'm not talking to you. Yeah.

49:16Shannon Sharpe:And then the offensive line would get mad at me because I done woke up there. guy. Well, I'm trying to talk to my guy. I'm trying to get my guy out of his game. Who talked the most, though, in both of y 'all careers? Yeah. Besides you, you did a lot of talking. I talked a lot. Johnny Ramble talked a lot. Yeah. John Ramble talked a lot. He said he ain't take showers and stuff, right? Oh, Johnny? Yeah. I don't know. Probably not. He said something like that. John Ramble talked a lot. Did Ray Lewis talk a lot? Nah, Ray didn't, not a lot. I mean, he would, you know, talk like he's a machine. Y 'all terrible, y 'all not good.

49:56Shannon Sharpe:But he really didn't, like, talk to belittle nobody. Right, okay. You terrible. Yeah. Keep talking, you're going to be on the wave a while in the morning. Dang. Now, see, I was trying to be nice. Yeah. Any corners talk to you like that? See, my talk was more entertainment. It wasn't malicious. I'm really at people. I was more fun trying to think. Fred Smoot. Remember Fred Smoot from Mississippi State? No? No. Play with the commander. Play with the commander. No red, but yeah. I ain't see him on Madden. I got to go look it up. Yeah, he talked a lot. He talked crazy. You were just talking loud. Uncle's more.

50:37Yeah, I would talk. I know you not doing nothing.

50:41Shannon Sharpe:First of all, why you talking? You on the bench. How you think if you was that good, you being here? How you ain't outside the club? Yes. Like, you ain't getting nothing today. Clearly, you're not getting in the game today.

50:59Shannon Sharpe:But that'd be the guys that'd be doing the most talking. The guys on the sideline are playing special teams. I'm like, bro. Special team? Oh, good. I ain't doing it. Special teams, but you can't be talking like that when you're not, like, having to deal with me. Right. Right. Our new co-hosts talk a lot now, though. Zaire Franklin, he's one of our co-hosts. He said he talk a lot. He said he number one. Oh, he number one to talk a lot? That's what he said. Oh, man, no. Nah. He said he number one now. That's what he told us on the show. No. And that's one thing. When we played the coach to coach, they guys didn't, I don't know, maybe Coach Dungeon didn't let them talk or something.

51:36Shannon Sharpe:But they were good. I mean, because Peyton had started to become Peyton back then. But they didn't really do it. Yeah, no, everybody was quiet. Marvin Harrison was real quiet. Marvin had Marvin to talk. You better not sit down to Marvin. Yeah, we didn't have that. Oh, Lord. Thank you. Shout out to Marvin. Thank you. Keep it cute. We try to keep it on the field. That's my dog. Keep it cute. Now that you say that about the coach, oh, we didn't have it. Nah. Sweeney, Mathis. It was quiet. Yeah. That's crazy. You know what? It's mainly like division. Yeah. Because we see each other all the time. That makes sense.

52:12Shannon Sharpe:We're in the same division. The Raiders. The Chiefs. Chargers, we were in the same division. So we're really going back and forth. When I was at Baltimore, us and Pittsburgh, us and the Titans, us and the Jags, we're going back and forth because we see each other twice a year. Team, it's hard to build up a rivalry with somebody you only see once. Once, yeah. That's interesting. Can I ask you this question? Obviously, y 'all was running y 'all division. How do you think your team would have fared up against this current version of the Chiefs? Especially if you're in the same division at y 'all peaks.

52:45How would them battles would have been?

52:46Shannon Sharpe:You're talking about my Broncos in the 90s? Yes, sir. We run them off the field. Damn. Ooh, light work. They couldn't stop that running game. You got to realize, we had a Hall of Fame left tackle, Hall of Fame quarterback, Hall of Fame tight end, Hall of Fame running back, Hall of Fame safety. But we were loaded. Our whole offensive line, we put four of our offensive linemen in the Pro Bowl. Damn. I was in the Pro Bowl. John was in the Pro Bowl. TD was in the Pro Bowl. Three of our, four of our offensive line was in the Pro Bowl. Atwater, Romanowski, and Alfred Williams. So we had like nine Pro Bowl players in our people.

53:24Shannon Sharpe:Wow. Y 'all had a whip for sure. Y 'all had a whip. Oh, yeah. That answer the question right there. And they're going to have to deal with me. I'm a problem. Hey, hey. And you know something? You know something? Hey. Problems. Sometimes you can solve a problem. I was an issue. You got to troubleshoot me. You got to get back. You got to get back. I don't know what's wrong with it, but we're working. We're going to try to figure it out. We're going to try to get the field get out by the end of the day. You got to troubleshoot this. I like that. You got to troubleshoot this. We're working as hard as we can, Mr.

54:02Shannon Sharpe:Mr. Hinn. We're working as hard as we can. But it might take us a while, but we're going to get it figured out. No, you're not. We just talked around the arena, though. Not for sure.

54:16Oh, okay

54:18Shannon Sharpe:So what y 'all got going on for the rest of the day? Man, just enjoying the audience My boy team on the media run today Yeah, I'm doing a couple shows But other than that, chilling Oh, you feeling it? You getting in for somebody? Yeah

54:37Shannon Sharpe:Oh my God, I don't know about that Where's the Sean? Where's Sean Porter go? Tell him I said come over here before I make him fight. Yeah. Yeah, we beat him. Yeah, we get him. Who? Sean Porter. Who's going to get him? Me. Man, I lump. All right, me already. Sean Porter? Yeah. You know he fight, man. He won 47. Man, he sleep. Sleep. Quick. I'll give him my hand third round probably. He don't stop, bro. Nah, nah, nah. He a pit bull, bro. You can't get in the ring with him, Ocho. Who don't? No, no, no, no, no. I haven't been in the ring with all of them already. No, no, no, no, no. That ain't nothing.

55:22Shannon Sharpe:Ocho be doing – he do be going down to the spa with him. All of them. That's cool, but I'm talking with them lights on. You got kids that want to see you the next day. They going to see me. I don't know. He won't see them, but they'll see you. I don't know. So, y 'all don't understand. Y 'all, let's see. Wait till February. We'll be – that's really happening, though. Like, this is a real thing. Man, I'm finna beat the shit out of James Harrison, man. Yeah, but that's MMA. I gotta see this, man. It doesn't look crazy. Where is that? Where y 'all doing this at? In Frisco. At Super Bowl. Oh. Everybody under one umbrella.

55:57All right. Y 'all already got the venue? Oh, yeah. We do it outside of, also.

56:07Shannon Sharpe:I tried to get him a tune-up fight. He said he didn't want no tune-up. I don't need no tune-up for what? I've been doing this 37 years, man. You might want to call Mark Henry or somebody, man. Nah. He said he got it. Easy work. I'm there, man. Can't wait. I can't wait to see this. I'm just hoping that it would happen around our vacation time. He get some time. Yeah, man. It's going to need a couple days off. Yeah. I don't take no days off. Yeah, he won't be on nightcap right after that one. Hey, listen, after a football game, I'm at the stadium the next morning. This ain't no different. Damn. You been able to fill in at night, right?

56:45I got you. Just call me. Just call me. Yeah. I want you all to keep doubting me. Don't believe in me. Yeah. I'm kind of rolling, man. Just like my exes. They didn't believe in me. Now look at me. Hey, my exes didn't believe me either.

57:00Shannon Sharpe:Grab it up, huh? Now look at me. Check these guys out in the morning. 5.20 a.m. Now 5.20. Thank you, man. Thank you, guys. Love, love, love. That's great. Get together. Appreciate it. Appreciate it.

57:19Shannon Sharpe:Hey, let's get this group show. Let's put my shorts down. Yeah. Let me do that in the robin' ball.

57:33Amen.

57:46We'll eat that like this. I'm about to see you might be messing with it. Really? Yeah. I'm about to check it out when I'm done.

57:56Shannon Sharpe:I'm going to put you on Shadowland. Yeah, Shadowland. You're doing like that? Got you. Bet. Bet.

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1:02:38Shannon Sharpe:Ojo had to take a break We can do one, two, and three Keep it centered like that Huh? We can do one, two, and three Oh yeah, put it right here Yeah Yeah, sit right here Right here How you doing boss? Bro, I'm good Yeah It's been a while since we had a buzz like this Yeah It's been a while It's been a little minute You got two champions Yeah One of the four belt era two division champ The other is the undisputed super middleweight 168. You got champ versus champ. How do you see this fight playing in? This is, you know, good friends with Bud, and I text him. I say, yo, you lethal, man. Just be lethal.

1:03:21And this week, as I'm, you know, really ramping up, and this week is here, and I'm looking at it, I say, yo, we got two lethal juggernauts in the ring that can find that right moment, can nail that right moment. and the precision that both these guys have in terms of how they deliver that punch and where it lands, this one might be a matter of just moments. Both of these guys are great time managers in the game. Canelo seems to be the kind of guy who's going to manage this clock every single minute, whereas Bud is going to just take what's coming to him. He's going to push certain buttons if he needs to where those moments come and being one of the guys that got in the ring with him, I have to respect everything that's been said about him for so long because I actually saw it.

1:04:07So he's one of the few guys out there that can come into the ring and be a chameleon and literally transform and do whatever he needs to do to win this. So all that said, I don't think it's going to be a slow fight, but the moments are going to be like really, really fast moments. They're going to be fast moments. And it really depends, I think, where Bud is at at the end of those moments. If Bud is on the top, on the better side of those moments, he's just going to keep going at it. He's going to keep going at it. But if Bud, if there's an exchange and Bud ain't on the right side of that thing, he's going to back up.

1:04:41We're going to manage this thing and keep it moving. And so, you know, at the end of it, I do think that Bud is going to win this fight. But we are looking at a Canelo Alvarez that throws with the kind of intention.

1:04:55Shannon Sharpe:He sits down on everything. He sits down on everything. He's really trying to end the fight on every punt. Which is why we see him, you know, on the other side of the fight, the seventh round, eighth round. You know, sometimes he's sucking wind. I have seen fights where he's sucking wind, you know. Other fights where he's just coasting and he's in the ring with people he can coast with. He can't coast in this one. Can't coast in this one. You look at the question is, and we had Roy and we had Andre Ward on yesterday. Nice. And Roy said, here's the thing. When Bud touch him, can he gain his respect?

1:05:29because if he can't gain his respect, Canelo's going to just come forward. But if he can gain his respect, now he has his attention. I'll take that statement a step further, right? Okay. Because people may not understand what does that mean to get your respect, right? And I alluded to the analogy of a bee sting.

1:05:51Shannon Sharpe:Okay. Right? So when a bee sting you, it don't put you down on the ground. Right. But you over here like an hour later, like, dang. So he just needs his attention for 36 minutes, right? And he has that kind of punch, that kind of precision that when you've been hit dead on the nose before, I can't breathe for a second, you know what I mean? I've been hit and it stings, you know? Bud just has to sting, Canelo. And that's what they mean when they say get his respect, get his attention. Make sure he understands if I come in here incorrectly, If I come in here incorrectly, I'm going to walk out all the way messed up.

1:06:31I'm going to still be up because I'm Canelo Alvarez. I got that chin. But next time I come in here, my approach is going to be a little bit different. So the sooner Bud can get Canelo hesitating, the better it is for Bud.

1:06:49Shannon Sharpe:Has Canelo fought anybody that has the precision punching since Mayweather? Mayweather was the best puncher, counter puncher that Canelo's ever faced. Yeah, he's faced some really good fighters, but none of them have the punching precision of maybe a Bud. So now we saw what Mayweather did and how he looked against Mayweather. Bud is Bud. Can he cause him similar problems? Get his attention. That's all it is. Forget about the comparison to Floyd Mayweather and Terrence Crawford because they're different in the ring. Bud will find his moments, and he capitalizes on those moments, and it becomes big.

1:07:35Floyd became someone who just managed the clock, and this is just going to be how this fight is going to go, whether you like it or not. But the thing these two are so similar in, Bud and Floyd both have the ability to do whatever they need to do to make this thing transform and become what they need it to be. And Canelo hasn't seen that since he's been in the ring with Floyd. The other thing, Floyd has this energy and this state of mind when you're looking into his eyes. You don't know what the hell he's thinking. You don't know what the hell he's feeling. and on top of that, he's so fast, he's so elusive and everything else that you just don't know what to do.

1:08:13Again, this is going to be the first time that Canelo has seen something like that since he fought Floyd Mayweather. I think that was 2013. That's a long time for you to go without seeing that and feeling that. That's something that, you know, when we talk about all those experiences, what up, Chad? What's up, baby? All those things that we can talk about Canelo having in 67 fights. When you got to go that far back to recount something, you probably can't do it. And when you've been spoiled as long as he's been spoiled, when God's moving to the beat of his drum, how are you going to all of a sudden, you know, so he's going to have to wake up.

1:08:51You know, with everything you just said, too, when I think about the game of boxing, I think about that fight in 2013, a polished Floyd Mayweather, a Canelo that's not as polished. Sure. You think about Canelo's defense, how much he's improved with his defense. So if you do hit, you get a bud that is similar to Floyd in a sense and being able to have the ring IQ, being able to punch in between punches, not engaging, but boxing smart, counting smart, staying off the ropes. I don't think that's Bud's style to be on the ropes like that, the way Floyd was. But in general, what happens when you have a more polished Canelo as opposed to when he fought Mayweather back in 2013?

1:09:32against Bug. What happens then? It's a more polished Canelo, but a more polished Canelo with a lot of mileage on him now. So in 2013, he hadn't had that experience, so he didn't see that kind of speed. He didn't see that kind of elusiveness and that kind of movement and things of that nature. There's no doubt that after that fight, he became a different fighter. Yes. But since then, in the last four years, three ish years, he's become a different fighter now. Yes. And like I was telling my man And right here, who he is now is a time manager, someone who's not going to just, as soon as that bell rings, now he, you know, trying to find his moments and stuff like that.

1:10:15Right. And, you know, I think that that's the difference in this one. You know, he became more polished, but now it's been an aggression, a degression that has come just through life. Right. Yeah. Okay.

1:10:29Shannon Sharpe:Okay. I got you. You look at a guy, I don't know if he's father guy, Bud, Southpaw naturally, but he fights out of the orthodox. But Roy was telling us yesterday he brought Boots Ennis in, who's another guy that's Southpaw that can fight orthodox.

1:10:46Boots and Bud, how much of an influence,

1:10:50Shannon Sharpe:how much is this going to help Canelo because he got an opportunity. I don't know how long he had him in his camp, but he's going to get an opportunity to see something that he wouldn't normally have been able to see. Right, and I think if anything, it kind of just wakes him up to what he's going to see on fight night. What y 'all think? I think Boots and Terrence Crawford are practically the same fighter. A little bit. I would take Boots a little bit, takes a few more chances, a little bit flashier. Yeah. You know, they're different in the sense, I think, Bud, the only advantage I think I would put over Boots is Bud has a different mentality.

1:11:25Yep. Boots is a dog, but something wrong with Bud. It's different. He's willing to get in there with anybody. Obviously, going up two, three weight classes to fight Canelo, not very many people will take that chance. Not very many boxers, let alone people in general. So I don't know. But it's a great look ahead of a fight like this. There was no better look he could have got. I know he's got a Cuban in the gym with him, and he's had this Cuban in the gym with him. There was no better look for him ahead of this fight. You know how it is when you've got the B team on the other side running the scout offense, the scout defense, it would have been for you.

1:12:04There's no better scout offense and defense than Boots Ennis. Yeah.

1:12:09Shannon Sharpe:We had Caleb Plant on, and he was discussing the fight. He says, Bud needs to be all the way in or all the way out. Nothing mid-range. No. I like it. I don't want to bother that. Because you don't want to be on the end of one of those power shots at Canelo because you're asking a guy. I mean, Canelo probably walks around 195, 200. so he's a big man to begin with. Now, Bud is not a small man. The difference is Bud is not stripping down that extra 21 pounds. Bud is stopping at 68 as opposed to having to go all the way down to 47. So Bud's like, hey, y 'all make it seem like I can't punch. Y 'all make it seem like I ain't.

1:12:49Shannon Sharpe:So he ain't the only one that's going to be punching. I like what Caleb said, all the way in, all the way out. I think once you establish the all the way in or the all the way out movement, I think early on it might be all the way out. Right. We're going to see some, I guarantee you guys, we're going to see some moments where Bud tries to literally physical push Canelo back. Right. Love it. Want to see it. It's going to happen. That's the all the way in. Once he's all the way in, it can't be all the way in and I'm trying to tie up and all this other stuff. I think we might see that early because Bud just wants to see what's the strength like, what's the power like.

1:13:23some guys actually have the ability to do that yeah manny was the kind of guy he would come out in the first two rounds and he let somebody hit him and i'm like stop manny like that joint was too close right right but he always he said i just needed i wanted i didn't need to see what it feel like right and that's how that's how bud is but i think once he establishes the all the way in or the all the way out right then he can start playing with the mid-range yeah because for bud it literally only takes one step and for buddies that that that intuitive that smart that fast that quick to see it. And then I think he can play the mid-range.

1:13:57But for the early part of the fight, I think all the way in, all the way out.

1:14:00Shannon Sharpe:Much stronger than you think. You saw him chessling with me. I saw it. I saw it. I'm like, oh, here we go. I said, here we go. I'm like, She-She gonna know him. He gonna go to a lawsuit because She-She gonna get tossed. And then he gonna... I was thinking, I said, man, hey, this man got a fight here in a couple of months. The one that looked like flipping this man. Because, you know, I was like, nah. I said, so I was like, he's like, man. He said, man, you was going to try. I said, man, I wasn't going to try to flip you, man. I said, what the hell I'm going to flip you? If I flip a man, he got to fight in two months.

1:14:30Shannon Sharpe:It's going to cost this man 50 million. Bud ain't going to stop until he want to stop. And the funny thing about that is, like, that's who he is in the ring. Yes, absolutely. So when there's exchanges, he's not going to stop until he want to stop. This dude could get floored and knocked out because this is what I want to do. You know, so it's great. He has to put that aside, what you just said. Yeah. That ego. that pride you gotta box smart you gotta come into the ring with some ego you gotta come into the ring with some conceitedness but it has to be intelligent I think I think they got this one figured out where they you know they've they've they've mellowed it out and they they balanced it where they know you can tell by the way he's talking in the press conference yeah exactly you can tell I think the thing is that you have to take risk but not unnecessary risk yeah because look it's a fight listen you gotta fight at some point At the end of the day, when people talk about he got to get his attention and he got to get his respect and all that other kind of stuff, it doesn't require this firefight.

1:15:31No, no, no, no. It don't require all that. It just requires that moment where I'm going to hit you. Instead of going out, I'm going to stay right here. I'm going to find my moment to get to that body, get to that head, roll over, and come a little bit more, bring a little bit more. And that's how, you know, those are the kind of, it's called intelligent risks, you know?

1:15:51Shannon Sharpe:Because you do realize now, in order for you to throw a punch, you've got to be in late. Armed to take one. To take one back. You know, I think one of the components to this fight that people don't talk about, or definitely I've talked about on the Portaway podcast, by the way, but one of the things that people don't talk about is the intelligence of Canelo Alvarez. Pay attention. Canelo has been Canelo even after fighting Floyd. Yes. Maybe more combinations, more slick movement, steps over, and things of that nature. but he's always come to the ring and done him. Didn't matter if it was Kayla Plant, Japs from the outside.

1:16:27Didn't matter if it was Edgar Berlanga taking you the distance. You didn't do something to change a mold to end some of these guys, even when you go back to Kayla Plant. You ended Kayla Plant because you found a moment. What if that moment don't come against Bud? Are you prepared to do anything different? I think one of the biggest factors of this fight is who's better here and who has the better team. because you got a Bud Crawford camp who knows they're prepared to come in and do three, four, five, six different things. Yeah. Literally. And you got a Canelo who's going to come in here and I'm going to be me and stop it.

1:17:02What if you ain't getting a job done? You got to adjust. And you got to adjust, but you ain't trained to adjust. Right, right.

1:17:09Shannon Sharpe:So you're looking at him, the bigger man. I throw the heart of punches. I should be able to get him out of there. There it is. Now, what happens if he hadn't got him out of there in the time frame that he thinks he should get him out of there? the longer this fight goes I think it favors bud I do I do too people think it favors bud because of the decision I actually think it favors bud because things that it's like I always say think about it in meters and you guys know from playing ball that fourth quarter you're not the same as you were when the game started sometimes you ain't where the game started you go up a level in that second half.

1:17:45He go up a level, you know. So I think because of that 67 fight mileage, Canelo and Bud, hypothetically, they're both coming in here at 98%. Canelo's is going to dip a lot quicker than Bud's. And the second half of this fight is going to be interesting. The funny thing, too, when I think about the second half of the fight and watching all of Canelo's fights since he's been fighting, he takes off round five and six and deteriorates seven and on. He deteriorates. He just does. If you watch them fight over the years. So I think conditioning is also going to play a factor. And Bud actually, in the beginning of the fight, in picking that moment, when to gain that respect, it's going to be a long night for you.

1:18:26It's going to be a long night for you. I agree. I think that we have seen that where it is, the fifth or sixth round, give or take, is where he takes off. And then he tries to come on strong once again. Bingo, yeah. Right. Round nine, round ten. And if it ain't there, we're just going to finish the night. Right. Right. And with Bud Crawford, you can't do that. No. And I think, again, bringing a systematic approach means I watch all your fights. I watch for me. This is how I prepared. I watched your first fight and I watched your last fight because I want to see how different you are when that first one and how different your mentality is, how you move differently and all that.

1:19:02All that kind of stuff. They picked picked up on stuff like that. And that's the difference between being good and being great. You've got a team behind you that can bring that systematic approach and say, hey, you know, from a standpoint of strategy, this is where he's going to dip. Right. If we don't give him that moment in the fifth round, we know he's going to dip.

1:19:23Shannon Sharpe:Right. They might actually come into the ring in the fifth round or the sixth round, and they actually beat around. They just move and do what we got to do because we know you're looking for that moment. Right. And we know past this moment, your body, muscle memory, it's going to start to dip. So it's a lot of components to this thing that make it sexy for both of them. Yeah. I'm excited. It's a very interesting, it's going to be a very interesting match because we got champions. Yeah. We got champions. Yeah. For me personally, I think there's more to gain for Bud than Canelo. If Canelo wins, you know what they're going to say.

1:19:58Shannon Sharpe:He beat a man that was three division weight, three weight glasses down. Yeah. You beat a guy that was 38. You didn't fight him when he was 30. So Canelo can't win. Bud has all the chips. Bud can really have all Canelo chips. And we think Bud is a great fighter now. He beats Canelo. We ain't no more thinking. We look at him in a totally different light, Sean. So let me defend Canelo. Go ahead, defend him. Because at the end of the day, you came knocking on my door. Oh, okay. At the end of the day, you called me out. Yeah. And I know y 'all want to see me in the ring with Benavidez, but let's be honest.

1:20:34Benavidez is not going to sell the tickets that Bud Crawford is going to sell. Let's be honest. But Benavidez doesn't have his excellency behind him the way that Bud Crawford does. In a lot of ways, respectfully to Benavidez, because it's the fight the world wants to see, I want to see. In a lot of ways, this fight made more sense. It made more money, too. And it made more money. And since he came knocking on my door, what am I supposed to do when somebody knock on my door? And I open it up and they threatening me. I did what I was supposed to do. Sean, I like it. Appreciate the breakdown. Appreciate you, sir.

1:21:07Congratulations on everything. Enjoy the fight. Good to see you. No, I forget you, man. You late. What you having late? I gotta take a break. I gotta use the bathroom. Come on, let's wrap it up.

1:21:19Shannon Sharpe:Man, I can't wait for this fight. It's going to be very interesting. We need more fights like this. We need more fights like this. We don't need guys. Look, that old guy trying to protect that old because everybody wants to be, want to retire Floyd Mayweather now. And you're not going to be thought of as Floyd. Even if you're 70 and old, you're not going to be thought of as Floyd Mayweather. Floyd Mayweather is a transcendent. He's a once-in-a-lifetime. He's not once in a generation. The generation is only 25 years. Sure. Floyd Mayweather is a once-in-a-lifetime guy. Yeah, agreed. And you might not ever see another guy that has his defense.

1:21:52Shannon Sharpe:But people don't realize when Floyd was in light of weight, Floyd was knocking people out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was pretty boy. It was before he got his hands, his hands, he started messing up his hands, that he's like, I need to do what I need to do to win. Floyd was a complete fighter that just altered what he needed to do to remain undefeated. Go look at Floyd at 30 and 35. Yeah. Go look at Floyd at 40. Yeah. What he did? Yeah. I know. All I know is people didn't smother Floyd. He got a little, he got pillar hands. Okay, why didn't people just rush in on him? Uh-huh, uh-huh. Damn. Uh-huh. I don't want to do that no more I'm sorry I just need your attention He was very sharp So appreciate it bro Enjoy the fight tomorrow night Catch up with you alright Good to see you I see you call I got you You know what I forgot I forgot to challenge Sean to a fight How much money Yeah, I thought you was going to win money back so you could pay me.

1:22:57I did. I lost$200 last night.

1:22:59Shannon Sharpe:So how are you going to pay me my money with it? Because, listen, I'm going to get money tonight. My baby, she's going to give me some money tonight, and I'm going to get your money back tonight. Why is she going to give you money to lose? You already lost. I know, I know, I know. But I'm just, it was only$200. It wasn't that bad. It wasn't that bad. It wasn't that bad. So that could have paid down your debt. So you want me to give you$200? Nope. I want the whole thing. $9 ,900. You know what's so funny? A lot of people, they complain in the chat, why don't you pay Unca's money? They don't realize that I've been trying to pay you.

1:23:30No, you haven't been trying to pay me. You refuse to do Apple Pay. You refuse to do Cash App. I'm right here right now.

1:23:35Shannon Sharpe:I don't need Apple. I need Ocho Pay. I know. I got my phone right here, and you tell me your PayPal, and I can send it to you. I ain't got no pals. Pay ain't one of them. I ain't got no pals. You don't want no money, man. I do. This man going to tell me how he going to pay me my money back. I got every Apple on my phone. You give me an email. I ain't got no phone. I lost my phone. I ain't got no phone. See what I mean, Chad? I'm a minimalist now. For the next week, I ain't going to use a phone. All right. I got you. I got you. Well, I'm going to be at the blackjack table tonight. I'm going to get your money back.

1:24:08So, in other words, they're going to get some more of my money. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. There they are. No, no. And my baby, I'm going to use her money tonight. I used mine last night. So, we swap. We swap days. Like, one day is my money, and tonight is her money. Oh, okay. Yeah. Appreciate that, twin. When am I going to get my money? When you download the app, Apple Pay. Oh, I ain't got no Apple. You got a phone?

1:24:33Shannon Sharpe:No. I told you I turned my phones off. So how you do the show when you ain't got no phone? I was getting so much hate. How you communicate with your producers? They're right down the street from me. I go knock on their door. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's it. You going to get the new iPhone 17? You saw it's real thin, too. You saw it? You saw it? Diaphone 17. I can't even work the 16. Yeah, you was bad with that. You know they got classes at Apple. You can sit in on the class. They teach you how to work everything. Well, I sat on this financial literacy class. Yeah. And they say when people owe you money, you need to collect it because the money is drawing interest in their bank account and not yours.

1:25:18But listen, we're in 2025, and technology is so far advanced. they made it easy for those that don't carry cash. You can make a transaction using an app that are on phones. That's a lot of them, too.

1:25:30Shannon Sharpe:I mean, you know, sometimes the bank be sending people money, and they go spend that money, and they end up going to jail. You know what I'm saying? They give you more. If they put more money in your bank account, it should be there. On your job, send you an extra check that you're not supposed to have. Right, right. So I don't want to run that risk. I just want you to shoot me a cool 5900. Okay. I got you. I'm going by my way. Matter of fact, you know, the casino got to cash use. Yeah, they got a cashier window. I can use my credit card. Give me a little advance. Yeah. All right. We can do it.

1:25:59We can do it.

1:25:59Shannon Sharpe:I would greatly appreciate it. I got you. Because I want to gamble. Right. Are you gamble? I do. But I just ain't got 50. Wait, you want me to pay you so you can go lose the money? That don't make no sense. Yeah, I want you to pay me my money. So if I choose to lose my money, I'm okay with losing. Okay. I don't think that's smart. You just brought up the word financial literacy. If I'm going to pay you what I owe you and you're going to take that and go lose it than give it to the casino. Give my money. I know, but why would you give it to the house? Easy. All right. That's why I feel your money is better off with me because I ain't going to lose it.

1:26:34You not going to pay me? It doesn't look like you going to pay me either. I'm going to pay you. I'm going to pay you. I'm definitely going to pay you. I bet I win tonight. I'm going to win tonight. Oh. I'm going to win big tonight so I can feel it.

1:26:45Shannon Sharpe:You think so? Yeah, I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I don't know about that, Ocho. Matter of fact, what's the odds for the fight? Plus 800 on Bud. Shoot, so if Bud put 10 ,000, what would I win? I get what, about 90? Plus 800, I don't know how to calculate. Calculate that for me, chat. Plus 800, I put 10 ,000 on Bud, what would I get back? You win a lot. Yeah. You'll be able to pay me my money. Right, I'll spit the whole thing with you. Like that's how That's the type of friend I am I'll spit the whole thing with you Well consider you owe me$5 ,900 And you haven't paid me that The likelihood of you winning That sum of money And then giving me half of it Is not very likely It's likely It's likely Because I've always been The man of my word I was supposed to have My money last year You was supposed to pay me When we got to New Orleans For real?

1:27:44Yeah Damn

1:27:46Shannon Sharpe:When what happened? I forgot How do you forget you owe somebody$59? I forget why I didn't pay you. I was going through some mental issues. You going through what kind of issues? Mental. Mental. What we got? Nothing. We rap. We get ready to rap too. We'll see y 'all in a minute. Man, my daughter. My daughter just texted me. Dad, start saving up. This is my dream car. What you call them cars, man? The fast ones that the rappers be driving. Oh, that trackhawk? Yeah. Girl, she might be probably watching the show. Baby, if you're watching the show, let's focus on track. Let's focus on track. You get that NIL money at Kentucky, you'll be able to buy your own trackhawk.

1:28:38She sent me a trackhawk.

1:28:42Shannon Sharpe:Oh, well. Well, she said you got it. He got it. No, well, he going to be$5 ,900, so you might have to come up with that extra$5 ,900 because he owe me. Who that? You. I got you tonight. I promise you. You lost money last night. I lost$200. That ain't no money. I mean, no disrespect. I mean, it's money, but it's not that significant. You lost$5 ,900 last year, and you haven't paid me yet. Okay. I got you. I'm just trying to figure out when I'm going to get paid. That's all. I got you. I mean, I want to go to a nice dinner. I mean, I want to go check out a show on the strip. Matt, I'm going to a show all the night.

1:29:25Coach Blake, Rat Pack, Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra.

1:29:29Shannon Sharpe:So you're doing all this thing. You and your baby, y 'all doing all this thing, and y 'all owe me my money. You won't pay me my money. Nah. So I can't get told. In other words, you and your lady get to go to a show. Yeah. But me and my people, we won't be able to go to a show. Y 'all can go. How are we going to go? I ain't got no money. You need to sit on it real quick. Whatever you do have, don't even spend no money right now. But I think it's important that I'm, my baby ain't never been to Vegas. So it's important that I have money to be able to introduce her to the things that Vegas has to offer.

1:30:02I don't club, so we go on the shows. Janet Jackson's here. We might check out Janet Jackson. She's at Resorts World. Yeah, I'm going to go do that. She wants to go to the Spear. We probably just walk through, take a tour of that. Take her to Caesars Palace. Oh, the shops this season? Yeah, yeah. I tell you, I ain't going to buy nothing. We're going to window shop. I ain't spending no money.

1:30:20Shannon Sharpe:I get all that. Yeah. I mean, I can't do none of that. I can't go nowhere. I can't window shop. Where do you want to go you ain't been already? Think about that. I mean, I just want to walk around. I just want to see what it feels like to have$5 ,900 in my pocket. You got it. You got it. I don't know what that's like. It's been a long time since I actually had$5 ,900 in my pocket. You shouldn't walk around with no cash anyway, Especially in times like this. Yeah, that's not safe. You're not a rapper. Because why would you have$5 ,900 in cash anyway? You're not a rapper. I mean, I just want a little money, don't you?

1:30:55I got you.

1:30:56Shannon Sharpe:Walk by something, see, you know, get a souvenir for my sister, my brother. Yeah. I just want to grab somebody, get a couple of souvenirs. I got you. Baby. You say she ain't got nothing. She got it. No. You don't want no smoke? You good? Thank you for joining us. I have a cop on you when I see you and tell you like this. Yeah, hey. We sparring. Ask him what the first thing he said when I saw him yesterday. I knew he was going to hit me with it, so I had to tell him. Hey, won't we sparring? Yeah. Beat him to the punch. He don't want no smoke. I know you don't. I'm a pro. I know you don't. They have telling me I done been in the ring with everybody.

1:31:34You know? You have been in there. I take it serious. You know? I don't know about that, but. I take it serious. I'm getting ready to fight Andre Ward. Hey, Dev, I'm finna beat this nigga ass, Dev. Hold on, hold on. Let me take my glasses off so you can see my face. I'm not playing. Yeah. I wish you the best, man. I appreciate that. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good.

1:31:58Shannon Sharpe:Don't look at me. Hey, I'm just cold. You know what it is? I'm just cold. I'm just cold. I'm just cold. You condoning this, man. You condoning this. This fight, Canelo Crawford. You got two champs, two undisputed champions. two different divisions in the four-bed era, that's Bud, first male to do that. You got Canelo, who's the undisputed king of the super middleweight 168. You got a clash of the Titans. Somebody walking out there with some belts. Man, Bud is my boy. I think if anybody can do it, it's him. If anybody can do it right now, I think that is Bud, and that's what I'm rocking with. But, I mean, is it an easy task?

1:32:42Shannon Sharpe:No. Yeah. Because everybody's asking, when Bud feels his power, how does Bud handle it? Okay. When Canelo feels Bud's power, how does he handle it? Does he like, oh, I can't just walk through this man? Or does he say, ah, man, them little cake blows. I'm coming. Yeah, I mean, that's the big question. You know, we want to see how Bud can hold up at 168. We've seen Canelo go up to 175 and take guys' punches. Yeah. Knock out Kovalev. Knock him out cold. But I just think that Bud is a different kind of fighter. I think that he's much more better than, much more faster, got much more IQ. And like I said, if anybody can do it, I just think that Bud can do it.

1:33:27Shannon Sharpe:Is this a situation that Canelo has never seen anybody other than Floyd when he was much younger to be able to put punches together that have to bring IQ like a Bud Crawford? Like you said, we've seen him. Now, we know Canelo can take a punch because we saw him fight Triple G. And Triple G hit him with some shots. I don't even know how his head is still on his body. And he took it and kept coming. So can Bud, who's a natural welterweight, 147, he did fight one fight at junior middle. He came from 135. That's like me going up and fighting Canelo at 168. I mean, like I said, will it be easy? No.

1:34:09But he has the size. He has the reach. Yeah. He's got the IQ. The mentality. The mentality, for sure. How does he fight this fight?

1:34:18Shannon Sharpe:We've got to see if he's got the punch resistance. How does he fight this fight? Caleb Plant told us yesterday he's got to fight two ways, all the way in or all the way out. 100%. He cannot be in range. Caleb, Caleb, Caleb know what he's talking about. He's got to fight that in-in or he's got to be out-out. Yeah. I think that he's going to have a lot of success on the end-end, though. Right. I don't think that – I think, of course, Canelo's a great fighter. But I don't think Canelo is expecting him to be fighting on that end-end. Right. But he got to mix it up. He got to do both. Right. And like I said, we just got to see how his punch resistance is against a guy like Canelo.

1:34:55Shannon Sharpe:Right. That's the big question. Because, you know, Canelo sit down on everything. Yeah. Canelo trying to get you up out of it. But we've seen his feet slow down. Yeah. You know, he hasn't always had the fastest feet, but we've seen him get even slower. It's lower. I think that thing for me, obviously watching, being a huge boxing enthusiast and loving the game and kind of pouring into it a little bit, for me, the only thing I'm worried about come fight night, obviously is Bud having to get Canelo's respect early. Because all Mexican fighters, it's one thing that we all know that they do, is they apply pressure.

1:35:29If you don't gain that respect early in the fight, it's going to be a long fucking night. If you see Canelo against Charlo, Charlo didn't do anything to gain his respect. He just ran him around. He ran him from rope to rope to rope. Bud has to get that respect.

1:35:44Shannon Sharpe:And they basically like to go to the body. They try to chop you down, try to take some of that, try to take some of your conditioning away from you with those body shots. And we know Canelo loves to work the body. But I just think that Bud has the IQ. And like you said, it's all about gaining that respect early. Because if you don't have a man's respect, what do you have? He'll walk you down. He's going to run you from post to post. Yeah. And so Bud's going to have to get that respect early. But you've got to watch out going to Bud's body. Bud is a good counterpuncher. Yeah. Bud can punch. And I think the thing is, Bud's a natural southpaw.

1:36:24Shannon Sharpe:but he has dynamite in his right hand also. That's why he brought Boots in his hand because Boots fights a lot like Bud. And so now he has an opportunity to prepare for what he's going to see on Saturday night. Now, whether or not, you know, they have the same punching power, they have the same, you know, the same ring IQ and things like that, that remains to be seen. Bud is a really, really smart fighter. He's really, he's, you know, you know, the counter punches and the guys like a Bud, they're figuring it out. okay, you're doing this, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay, now I've locked in.

1:36:57Shannon Sharpe:I know what you want to do, and I know my best counter against what you're trying to do. Yes. Yeah. So if you're in Bud's corner, what you telling Bud? Go in there and get his respect, use his jab, fight that in-in or that out-out. I would be anxious. After that first round, I would want to know how hard is he really punching. And that would tell it, too, if I want to fight that A &M or how good of an inside fighter he is. Like I said, I just don't think that Canelo's feet are the same. And they weren't always great to begin with. They weren't great to begin with. I just don't think that we've seen against his last fight.

1:37:41The guy ran around the ring, but he couldn't cut off the ring. Right. You know, a guy running, yeah, that's his fault. But also, that's the opponent's fault because he's supposed to cut off the ring.

1:37:52Shannon Sharpe:Right. Especially at the highest level. Yeah. So can Canelo cut off the ring? We don't know. We've seen it against Lara. He couldn't do it against Lara. Floyd didn't do much movement, but his speed gave him problems. The question is, in the process of trying to cut off the ring, does he spend so much time trying to cut off the ring that he runs himself into something? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and Bud got dynamite in both hands. Yeah, Bud, hey. But we got to see if his weight can carry up to 168 as well. And the question is, Bud might be fine rounds one, two, and three. Might be rounds four, five, and six.

1:38:32Shannon Sharpe:But as we go deeper into the fight, if it gets to that, how well can he carry that 168? I think both guys are more at their natural weight. I don't think that Canelo is that much bigger than Bud. But I think they're both just fighting at their natural weight. And that's why I love this fight because they both just two guys fighting at their natural weight and seeing who's just better. A lot of times we see one guy having weight problems and that shows in the fight. But I think these guys both are fighting at more of their natural weight. They're more evenly sized. Right. So you think Canelo's natural walk-around weight.

1:39:09Shannon Sharpe:What do you think Canelo's natural walk-around weight? I'm saying probably 190-95. I'd say like 190, yeah. I would say that. You think the same for Bud? I'd say Bud like 185. And the thing is, Bud doesn't have to strip that last 21 to go to 47. That really matters. Hell yeah. That really matters. You don't think it matters? Try losing weight. That first five or 10 pounds might be easy. And then fight him. Yes. That's the hardest part. You lose weight. Okay, anybody can go lose weight. Anybody go sit in the sauna for an hour and lose weight. But actually being able to compete at the highest level after you lose that weight.

1:39:49That's hard.

1:39:49Shannon Sharpe:Let me ask you, when they refuel, they're going to make weight. I believe everybody's going to make weight. And let's just say everybody makes weight at 68. When they refuel, what you think Bud comes in at Saturday night, what you think Canelo comes in Saturday night? I think they come in around the same. I think 80. Exactly. I'm going to say 80. 82. You didn't start camp yet, huh? No, I'm in pre-camp now, but I haven't started actual camp. I mean, obviously, I don't know how boxers approach it, but for us, obviously, we watch a game of him on our opponents. Yeah, of course. And Brian Norman Jr., have you been able to watch a film on him yet, or do you not really watch a film until you get into camp?

1:40:28Yeah, no, of course. I was watching before we even announced a fight. Okay, okay, okay. I don't just take fights because I just want to. So I got to, you know, study a guy and see, you know, where I could beat him and, you know, if it's the right stylistically fight for me. And so, yeah, we've been watching them and we've been studying.

1:40:49Shannon Sharpe:You ready? Of course, yeah. Because, you know, everybody talks about it. If I'm not ready, we're going to see you on November 22nd. Yeah, we're going to find out. You're ready. You're ready. We're going to find out. No, but it's just like, you know, you say, are you ready? Like, all right, if I say, yeah, I'm ready. Or if I say, no, I'm not ready. Like, November 22nd, that's Judgment Day for me and him. Yeah. But I've been here before. I've been at the highest level. I've been, this is not my first rodeo. This is his first rodeo. This is time to see if he's ready for the big stage. Right. What happened in the Garcia fight?

1:41:20I mean, I've made mistakes in the fight. But PDs have played a lot into it. I don't care what you being an athlete, you being an athlete, you know what PDs can do for a person.

1:41:35Shannon Sharpe:It gives you an advantage no matter what. In that fight, did you think, did you suspect, or was it until the drug test came back that you knew something? Could you tell there was something different about this young man? Because I think you fought him in the amateurs, right? Yeah, yeah. No, we fought six times in the amateurs. And, no, I didn't suspect nothing. I thought that the better man beat me that night, and that's what I said. On that night, I said, hey, listen, you know, the better man beat me. You know, I'm going to go back to the drawing board, and every one day we can do it again. And that's what I thought.

1:42:05and before the fight, I didn't think that, you know, Ryan could beat me. And after the fight, I was hurt. I was like, man, what the fuck? Like, how did I lose to a guy like Ryan Garcia? I know that I'm ten times better than this guy. And then when a drug test came out and I seen that I wasn't on an even playing field, then I was like, that's when I wasn't okay with it. I'm okay with losing on an even playing field because it's part of it. You know, it comes with it. We take that risk every time we step in the ring that you're going to win or you're going to lose. It is what it is. And I'm okay with losing.

1:42:35But I want it to be fair. That's fair.

1:42:40Shannon Sharpe:I like it. So, your money, you got to put something down on the wood. Canelo Crawford, who money, who you putting down on? I'm putting it on Crawford. I'm putting the house on Crawford. You think Crawford win by decision or you think he can knock him out? I think he win by decision. I mean, who? Nobody's ever stopped him. We've seen Canelo hurt early, early in his career. After that, we've seen him fight the biggest punches, and we haven't seen him hurt. But don't mean that it can't happen because it's boxing. One punch can change everything. But I think if Bud wins, it's going to be a decision for sure.

1:43:17So should I bet that$10 ,000 or no, and I'll split it with you?

1:43:22Shannon Sharpe:No, I want you to pay me my money first, and then you can bet what's left over. You can put what's left over, old Bud. Hey, Devin Haney. Yes, sir. Appreciate you, bro. Thank you very much. Thank you all for having me. All right. Good luck. Hey, good luck November 20th. Thank you. Oh, bring me in the camp. Yeah, okay.

1:43:44Yeah. Chad, you heard it here first. I'll be in Devin Haney camp, preparing him for the fight November 22nd. It's on.

1:43:53Shannon Sharpe:Baby. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for joining us for another episode of Daycap. Y 'all know who I am. I'm your favorite Uncle Shannon Sharp. This is my partner and co-host. That's Liberty City's own. That's Bingo Ring of Fame honoree, the Pro Bowl of the All-Pro. He's Chad Ochocinco Johnson. Thank you guys for your support. Thank you guys for always tuning in and supporting Ochocinco and I. We greatly, greatly appreciate it. We'll see you tomorrow after the fight. Tomorrow? The fight tomorrow? Today's Thursday? Today's Friday? Oh, baby, we got to— Bye. We'll see you guys tomorrow after the fight.

1:44:27Damn. I knew that.

1:45:23We'll be right back.

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