Nightcap Best of Boxing Guests Part 2: Laila Ali DUCKING Claressa Shields?! + Shakur Stevenson FRESH off his win

19:56Shannon Sharpe:I'm smooth with the hands now If Ocho fight Andre Ward, I'm looking for a new partner for nightcap.

20:02Claressa Shields:Damn, Unc.

20:03Shannon Sharpe:You don't believe in me? Nah, not against Andre Ward.

20:07Claressa Shields:Hold on, time out, time out, time out. If this happens, I go in there with the nightcap trunks, the nightcap robe, you know? And, you know, I'm representing us. You going to bet against me?

20:19Shannon Sharpe:Against your boy? Hey, he probably knock them off of you, so they be in the ring. I just go in the ring and get them. So, so, I got a question. Yes, ma 'am. If you were to have a boxing match, who would you want to fight against? If I had a boxing match? Yeah. Clarissa, I'm 57. I don't want to box nobody.

20:36Claressa Shields:Hey, no, no, don't do that. Don't do that. Because listen. It got other men that's 57. Who you want to punch in the face, man? Talk to me.

20:44Shannon Sharpe:I done got you all. I ain't got no beef no more. Nah, man, we can't do that, man. Because you got to spend on business. No, no. Oh, no. and I'll punch a few folks in the face. Well, you chose the right profession because it seems like you got some anger issues going on, Clarissa, that you have to resolve once you get into the square. Damn! Have you always... I love boxing. As a child, did you fight a lot as a child? Were you confrontational as a child? I mean, somebody say something to Clarissa, you're like, it's on sight? People was confrontational to me. I won confrontation. So, yep. I didn't know how to talk till I was five and I stuttered real bad till I was 11 years old.

21:31I couldn't even talk completely. And people bullied me. And that's what made me angry. Despite the stuff that I went through at home, now I'm going to school. Kids is pulling my hair. Kids is taking my homework and copying it and ripping it up. And so I went through that first, second, first and second grade. And then when third grade came, it was over. I was kicking butt. I was kicking ass, man. It was over for them after that. And I learned that when you stick up for yourself, people leave you alone. I didn't start boxing until 60th grade. So from the time third grade all the way to the sixth, I had gone to a few little street fights, but they always started with people picking with me.

22:15I never picked with people. I really didn't want to fight because I didn't know if I could fight. my, it was my anger that drove me to push people, punch people, grab them and just see what I could do. But the first fight that I ever got into was with my little sister, Brianna. And when I tell you, Brianna whooped my ass when I was eight, nine years old, Brianna beat the shit out of me.

22:38Shannon Sharpe:You didn't want to go through that anymore. No. My sister was a menace to society, man. She used to do so much mean stuff to me growing up, man. I'm telling you, it was wild. But let me ask you this, Clarissa. if you could fight any woman past or present obviously Layla Ali is on the card because you know the big payday you're talking about probably a million plus pay per view vibes probably if it's at Jerry's world you're talking about 70-80 thousand fans T-Mobile you'll probably sell that out but I mean who would you like to fight? Would you like to fight Ann Wolf? Would you like to fight Christy Martin the coal miner's daughter?

23:17Shannon Sharpe:Who would you like to fight? I would stop Christy Martin. That's not even a compliment. Yeah, she's a little small for you. I would stop her. I would knock her out. So now, next, the only other woman that would be a dream fight for me, I would have to say, one being Ann Wolfe and two, Katie Taylor. Katie, because her skills are phenomenal. The girl can box, can bang. She can figure it out. She's a highly competitive thinker inside the ring. And she wins all her fights that way. She may not knock you out, but she's going to outpink you. And I would love to shut a ring with her if we were near the same size.

23:55But she's 140. And like I said, low as I can go is 154. And then as far as Ann Wolfe, listen.

24:02Shannon Sharpe:Ann Wolfe, she was vicious. People know Layla because Layla had the name. And Layla was a good boxer. But for Layla and Ann Wolfe to be in the same weight class and to never fight and camp in the same era, We all know Layla Ali ducked Ann Wolfe. And why she ducked Ann Wolfe? Because Ann Wolfe would knock your damn head off. Yeah. And that's a fight even... I watched the Ann Wolfe documentary on YouTube when I was a kid. I watched her push trucks and punch bags and lift weights. And if you look up Ann Wolfe versus Vonda Ward, the biggest knockout in women's boxing, I dreamed to have a knockout like that.

24:49I, a dream match between her and I, I would love to have only because I don't think I can be knocked out. But with her in the first three rounds, I had to be very worried about that. I think I can box and I can move and I can figure her out and I got enough power to deal with my own. But man, she catching them first three rounds is some stuff you got to fight through. So that would be a dream fight for me if we was in the same era and we were fighting. But that would be somebody who I'm like, yo, that's a woman who I'm kind of intimidated by. And just to mention her, she's coming to my fight on Saturday to support me and be there for me.

25:30And this is one of my idols, you know, and I'm just so happy that she's coming.

25:34Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, if people don't know about Ann Wolfe, you need to Google her or YouTube or whatever you need to do. Because she definitely had dynamite in her hands. I mean, she was a vicious, she was ferocious.

25:46Claressa Shields:She was. I have one more question. Hold on. Hold on. I got one more question. Listen, we know how great you are. Greatest woman of all time when it comes to boxing. What other passion, once you're done playing, I'm talking about playing, once you're done boxing, once the sweet science, once you hang the gloves up, what other hobbies are you interested in? What else is it that you like to do outside of the ring? Music. I just had my listening party today and it went very well. You know, everybody, I had nine songs and they rated all my songs to 10. I was so shocked. I like music and honestly, I'm a big community person.

26:26I want to train young girls and young boys who come from environments that I grew up in. And I want to teach them boxing so boxing can help them like it helped me. You know, it really changed my life and helped me redirect my anger. and I really don't look like what I've been through. So I want to give back to communities and help people learn self-defense. And I mean, I'm going to have kids within my career, so I don't have to stop in my career to do that.

26:55Shannon Sharpe:Let me ask you, let's say this for the sake of argument. Layla says, you know what, Clarissa? You want this work, I'm going to give you this work. But I want you to put that chain up. I want you to put the gloat up. And if I beat you, I don't ever want to hear you say, mentioned, greatest woman of all time. I don't want that. I want that chain. You're going to put the chain up.

27:20Yeah. I mean, she want the

27:23Shannon Sharpe:little one or the big one. He want that one right there. Because that's the one that crossed 100K. That's what she want. Yeah. She come out of retirement and she shut me up and beat me up. You put it around her neck. I put it around her neck. And I snap it close for her and let her, you can have it, boo. Wow. You can have it. But that's how confident I know that this ain't what she want. This ain't what she want. Clarissa, you seem very happy. You seem very happy. Now, maybe it's because a lot of your personal life has been made public. And maybe you had someone in your life that was behind the scenes.

28:01Shannon Sharpe:But watching you, you know, we know some of the same people. We know Jamie Fritz. But watching you now, you seem a lot more at peace. You seem a lot more happy than you were in the past. Am I assuming too much? Am I reading too much into your body language and the way you're moving now? No, I have to say that. One, I'm 30 years old now. But I can say that since I've met Papoose, he has brought a whole different woman out of me, I guess. Like, I listen to him. He can tell me to be quiet, okay? And he know how to fight, you know, so I can't bully him around and push him around. And, you know, he's just so kind to me, and he's so helpful that I've always had to do everything myself, you know, and that's dealing with my family, dealing with my friends, dealing with my business.

28:59I've had to do everything myself since 17 years old. And now I have somebody that really like have my back and my best interest and who, I mean, looks after me when I don't even want him looking after me. Like he's so protective. And, you know, I think that with him, I wouldn't be able to like I would be happy because I was working on my happiness before I met him. But meeting him, it just gave me like I think when you find your person, you can just talk to him about anything and about any problem. I'm like, I caught him and listen, I talk more shit than a little bit. We can tell. And I caught him about, I caught him about everything.

29:36And I mean, he always has his ear open to communicate and talk with me and give me great advice. And also to let me know, like, look, you wrong here, you know? And I just appreciate that. It's so many tweets and so many posts that I was about to put up. He just was like, he like, don't, don't, don't do it. It's because he knows my bigger picture and he's helping me get to that. So I think that with him helping me and him being so supportive and him being so kind to me is really just. I don't know. I feel like I have I have a great, a great partner in crime and we going somewhere special. So, yeah, you can you can say that he's made me he's made me more.

30:21I like that.

30:23Shannon Sharpe:I like that. I think to someone to share that, because I guess for the longest time I heard you, you know, talk. I've seen you on different platforms and you're talking about how your family, when you became successful, even though you did all of that, they still some of them turned their back on you. And still, the more you gave, the more you they wanted. And it said and you said and I took. Took note of this, you said they didn't want what you gave them. They want what you had. Yeah. What do you mean by that? Tell our chat that didn't hear you on other platforms talk about that. What did you mean by that?

30:58They don't want what you give them. You can give them$100. You can give them a car. You can give them a house. You can give them food. They don't want that. They want what you have. So what do you have? You got a nice house. You got the popping YouTube channels. You got the million-dollar partnerships and endorsements and sponsorships. They want that. But they don't want when you giving them a thousand dollars and ten thousand and fifteen thousand dollars when you helping them, when you paying a bill, you buying them cars. They don't want that. They want your car. They want your house.

31:33Shannon Sharpe:But you work for that. They do. Absolutely. And that's where for a long time, you know, I didn't know how to say no. And when I started saying no, that's when people who I said yes to before, hundreds of times, had the biggest issue. That's when it was, oh, she bougie. Oh, she don't care about her family. She don't take care of nobody. And, you know, out of everything that I've been through, the hardest one to deal with doing that was my younger sister because we came up together. You know, and she got three kids. And I helped her take care of her kids. like all her kids call me mama like her kids is my kids when she have an 11 year old an eight year old and a five year old and it's my little niece and no nobody would people think that i have kids because i have them so much and you know i'm the type of auntie where i'm sending groceries every week i'm buying clothes i'm buying school clothes so for me the hardest part when i start going through that a lot of other people did it too but it was her that really hurt me because She was the closest.

32:38Shannon Sharpe:The most. Yeah. And we got same mama, same daddy. And she really is like, people see me as this light and shining, you know, star. But Brianna is my darkness. You know, she is my darkness. And she's the opposite of me. But she understands that I got that same darkness inside of me. I just show the light all the time. But she's like how I am inside the ring. Brianna is like that every single day of her life. She will literally put hands on you. Like she will knock you out. She send me videos of her fighting all the time. Like Brian, you need to stop. But she will knock your head clean off. You need to get her some blood there, Clarissa.

33:15Shannon Sharpe:Have you had a conversation with your sister? Did you tell your sister like this hurts me? After everything that I've done for you and your kids, which are my nieces and nephews, after everything that I've done, Bree, really, this is the way you behave? This is the way you act towards me? Social media? Social media has its pros and cons. But when she seen an interview that I did with Andre Ward and where I was crying. You know, she called me and she said, everybody can talk about it's her at the top. She said, well, damn, it's her at the bottom too. But that's not your fault? No, but I'm like, what you mean?

33:51She was like, rest. You know, I'm struggling all the time and you're not. So that's where her animosity came from. Like, even though I was, you know, even though I was helping her, people getting in her mind, in her head, telling her, yo sister should do more for you.

34:11Claressa Shields:And it was like, yeah, my girl, I've done a lot for you. So when we talk, she was like, she, you know, one, we went four months without talking, which my family knows that I don't do that. I talk to my mom and my dad, even they, they make me upset. I still talk to them. I really went on like a hiatus where I ain't talked to my sister for like four months and then she would have the kids call me and I would only talk to the kids and I wouldn't talk to her and it went on for four months and one day she just hit me and was like look I want my sister back you know I'm sorry I messed up I'll never do it again and you know it is what it is you know you know that I got you through whatever you know but I just feel like yo where I'm trying to get to in my career I can't have you going live on Facebook lying on me yeah telling folks not to get tickets to the fights and shit like I I can't I can't have that and I mean it it was deep the stuff that she did but she had people you know in her ears you're gonna believe that Clarissa because that's your

35:17Shannon Sharpe:sister you know normally when family says something about an individual because they're so close y 'all grew up together this is not some arbitrary some willy-nilly person talking this is your blood system right yeah yeah and that was the problem that i had was everybody took her word for first for face value when and then i didn't want to get on a social media back and defend myself because it was like oh i'm trying to be above that but i i literally had to it started affecting ticket sales for my last for my fight uh was two years ago. And I'm like, it was a week of the fight. You know, so she told me, oh, she on her with crocodile tears.

35:57You know, don't come to the fight. She don't support her family. She bought one of her friends a house, which I did not. But people believe that. And it was like I had to get on there and try to clear it up. But, you know, people love negativity more than politics.

36:16Claressa Shields:Before you go, that issue that you have in, Clarissa, all athletes not just all athletes i can only speak from from our perspective and playing football and and having to talk to rookie before and learning to say no because your family when it comes to your family your family would drain you they would drain you because in the hard part for athletes and and players they have to understand it's okay to take care of your family it's okay to enjoy the fruits of your labor and and blessing those back that help you along the way but those that take they have no limits because they don't they don't understand what it took to get to that point.

36:49Claressa Shields:There's a reason they have nothing sometimes, you know, obviously there are unfortunate circumstances that happen, but when one person makes it, they expect that one person to be the gold ticket, the golden ticket. And they continue to take over and over and never knowing when to stop until that well run dry. So at some point, the hard part of being the one that makes it out the family is knowing when to say no, because at some point, if you continue to pull that water from the well, at some point it's going to run dry. Yeah, I agree.

37:24Shannon Sharpe:Clarissa, I think the thing is, and what I tell people, that is a great gesture if you choose to help brother, sister, cousin, aunt, uncle, but you're not on no obligation. See, people have got this notion, because we came up in the same house, or I saw you from a child or I changed diapers on you that that obligates you to take care of someone for the rest of their life or buy them a house or buy them a car. Out of the kindness of your heart, that is an unbelievable gesture. But we've got to stop trying to put that burden, trying to guilt people in because the first thing they're going to say, you know what they say, Clarissa?

38:04Shannon Sharpe:And I've had this and I know you've had it. If it was me, I'd help you. Shh.

38:09Claressa Shields:No, it's the one if I was you, I'd help you more than you helped me. So they don't even care about how much you're helping them. They're just saying, oh, I'd do way more for you. And I'm like, no. No, you wouldn't.

38:21Shannon Sharpe:And the first thing when there's no more money and somebody said, man, what happened to all of Carissa's money? Man, I don't know what she did with that money. I gave it to you. I tried to help you, you, you, you, you, and now I ain't got no money. Ain't nobody got no money. And now y 'all talking about y 'all don't know where the money went. I had to tell myself, I said, listen, If I was to stop boxing today and I have another dollar, who would pay my bills? I got a$4 ,000 mortgage on my$750 ,000 house up in Atlanta. Oh, you had a crib then, okay. I own a few cribs. You know, you talking to a boss.

38:56Come on, man. Come on, man. Come on, man.

38:59Claressa Shields:Let him know. Hold on. I got... Hold on, you. I was going to run out of lists on you. I'm going to be in my business now. But I own houses and cars. I don't just be out here with the bling-bling. I'm like you. you know what I'm saying sometimes some stuff you see and be like hold on that right there is a knockoff but this right here talk to me now come on now you know so no for me it was like I said if I was to stop right now who would pay these bills these car notes you know pay for how I like to eat I like to eat I'm a heavyweight I like to eat steak and eat at the finest places so I'm like right now I'm probably my bills all together probably about $10 ,000 with all my bills together.

39:44So it was like, right now, if I had to freeze my bank account and I couldn't use my money, who would help me pay that$10 ,000 to make sure that I got my house, my car, my insurance, everything? Who would help do that? And it's sad to say, but it's not many folks who you can rely on or people to even team up. No. You know, so that's why I'd be like, hey, I don't even...

40:08Claressa Shields:I'm so glad you just said that. I'm so glad you just said that. For those that are in the chat, I'm not sure how much you help your family, but I know everyone else is going to see this, especially my fellow athletes, whatever it is you play, rappers, whatever it be. Just think about that. Hypothetically, like Clarissa just said, if just so happened, God happened, you ran out everything, go through your phone right now. And whatever your overhead is a month or whatever you may need, who can you call on your phone right now that you know no matter what they gonna say yes that you I can tell you right now my best friend Nene will probably be like hey I can't pay your$10 ,000 you can come stay with me and I make sure you eat everything till you get back on your feet but ain't nobody gonna be like hey we got$10 ,000 for your money oh you know Pap, Pap will take care of me he'll take care of me but I'm seeking my, like not my relationship, but you know, family and stuff.

41:09It's not, it's not one person I could, I could call.

41:13Shannon Sharpe:Clarissa, thanks for stopping by. Good luck on the fight. And please, please, if this fight is to get made with you and Layla Ali, please come back on nightcap. Of course, you know, I'm supposed to come back and do like the, do, do the big one. Yeah. Yeah. I'm supposed to do club shashay with you, so let me know. We can lock that in. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on.

41:37Claressa Shields:Wait a minute. Wait a minute. You talk about after this fight, the next fight that she does do, I'm on the undercard, remember?

41:45Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, we talking about this. I talk to you five nights a week. I don't need you to bring your black ass back. I'm talking to her. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I talk to you all the time. Clarissa, good luck. Go ahead. What were you going to say? Thank you. Yes. So, just, I want to celebrate something just with my fans and with y 'all fans too. This is my first gate where I've done over a million dollars, well over a million dollars. This is my first gate. We have over 15 ,000 people who have bought tickets to come to the fight. I am so just overjoyed by that. So, all the fans who are listening, all my fans who love me, thank y 'all so much.

42:24It's only a few tickets left. so I want to be able to say once I win this fight we had a sold out little season arena here in Detroit so please get the rest of your tickets on Ticketmaster it's not that many left all the floor seats are gone and even if you're not coming to the fight purchase a little 50-yard ticket even if you ain't coming just so I can say I sold out so help me out

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46:05Shannon Sharpe:Okay. We got a special guest joining us on show. Shakur Stevenson he just had a fight over William William Zepeda Stevenson landed 295 of 565 punches thrown 52 % damn landed 96 jabs of 207 thrown 46 damn did he move damn he was punching what the hell How do you hit somebody 52 % of the time of punches land? You hit somebody 46 % of the time of jives thrown and power shots. You land and you hit somebody 56 % of the time with power shots.

46:53Claressa Shields:Can I explain to you how?

46:55Shannon Sharpe:Damn you, it's like a statue of Shakur. Go ahead, Ocho. Take off. I'm going to let you have it. He muted.

47:02Claressa Shields:Hey, you muted? You good? Yeah, we got you. You good. You good. I can hear you now. What's up? What's good, y 'all? We good. Thanks for joining us, Jaqueline. What's up, Mike? Good?

47:11Shannon Sharpe:We didn't give you – we wanted to get – go ahead. We wanted to get you in. We're going to give you a proper introduction because, you know – but go ahead. Go ahead, Ocho. I'm going to let you take it off.

47:22Claressa Shields:Take off. Now, Jaqueline, I was going to say, I'm just read off the stats, and a lot of people don't really understand how good you are offensively when it comes – let's see, your defense is the offense. They don't understand how good you are. How does it feel for all those that doubted, saying he's always running, he doesn't stand there and fight, to show the world that you can also put on a boxing clinic, you can sit in the pocket against a pressure fighter where everybody thought because he's a pressure fighter, you would be running around. But what you did, you sat in the pocket, you created distance, you stayed there mid-range, and you put on a fucking clinic.

48:02Claressa Shields:What was your game plan going into that fight? Honestly, man, my game plan was different than what I did on fight night. Right. I talk with my coaches. My coaches had a certain game plan. They wanted me to outbox him, move him, make him frustrated with my feet. But, bro, it was like I wanted to do the unexpected. Like, he kind of expected me to go in there and move around. Yeah. And Tom and Jerry all week. Right, right, right. For me, it was like, shit, I want to do what he think that I'm not going to do. So I went in there. I stood in the pocket. I put on a perfect display of boxing. And also, a lot of people, yeah, they doubt it, but it felt regular for me.

48:43It's nothing new. It's nothing different because I already knew what I was built with. You can't see me work before. You know who I am.

48:49Claressa Shields:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't nothing new for me. It was very much regular. When it comes to different fighters, obviously fighting someone, fighting a pressure fighter, fighting a fighter that's a counter puncher. How much goes into game planning for that individual fighter? And how, I don't want to say the right way. Knowing that he's going to apply pressure the whole time, most of the time. That's the way he fights. He fights everybody the same way. What went into your game plan where your coach is saying they want to use your feet, but you chose, you know what? Forget what y 'all talk about.

49:26I'm going to sit in the pocket and it's not going to be a banging match.

49:30Claressa Shields:I'm going to make sure my defense is my offense. And obviously, statistically, the punch, you hit 90, 96 jab, 52 % of punches landed. You had pop. I mean, just everything effing worked. And at what point did you realize he was frustrated because his game plan wasn't working, even though he tried to adjust? I knew he was frustrated in like the sixth round. Yes. When I seen him kind of start thinking, he kind of like settled down a little bit. He wasn't like as aggressive as he was first half of the fight. So I kind of like I had a good game plan. My coaches, they had a great game plan. But for me, my brain just working a different way.

50:10I know I'm the one that's in that fight. And so I kind of be thinking on the spot. But he was he was a tough fighter. He kind of pushed me. I've been telling everybody the whole week. I said, this guy's going to bring out the best in me. This is how that child. Y 'all think that I can't sit in the pocket. Y 'all think that I can't fight. So this is a guy that I'm going to show all of these different tools and things. And we came in and we did what we had to do.

50:33Shannon Sharpe:Is that the first time that you've kind of gone away from what the game plan was, kind of probably what you practiced in training camp? Because like you said, it was going to be Tom and Jerry. You're going to, you know, outbox him, use your speed, use all your movement. And you said, you know what? No, I'm going to sit here because that was a knock on you, Shakur. Man, he ain't fighting nobody. I mean, not only does he not fight anybody, he ducking. He ain't sitting in the pocket. He ain't throwing no lever. He running around, got everybody chasing him. He picking them off like that. You said to hell with that.

51:01Shannon Sharpe:Let me show you what I can do. Yeah, yeah, you know, like I said, I've been through that. I've been through that. But that wasn't my first time going with my instincts. I think my instincts kind of take over a lot come fight night. So I kind of watched this dude over and over and over. I seen a lot of weaknesses. I also knew that me chilling on the ropes wasn't as bad as what everybody made it seem to be like.

51:28Claressa Shields:Yeah, especially the damn commentators. Yeah, yeah. But in a sport, you're not supposed to do that. You're not supposed to be standing on the ropes. It's a bad thing to do. But somebody like me, I kind of open guys up. They feel more comfortable to open up when they get me to the ropes. Basically, to me, every time you sat on the ropes, you go to you go in the Philly shell and then all you're doing is you're baiting him into throwing punches and you know if he throws six I can roll and block five and count it in between and it works every single time where at some point to pay that okay you have to make adjustments yeah make adjustments because he's sitting on the rope for for a reason and bait you to throw and as soon as he throw you roll one way roll the other slip slip a jab in yeah but but also if you watched the second half of the fight, my adjustment was to get off the ropes.

52:28Right.

52:29Claressa Shields:And stay in the middle of the, stay in the center of the ring. I kind of took control of the fight. Right. Yeah. In the center of the ring because I knew, I don't know what these judges is scoring. So I know he kind of is gidgy. I know I'm ahead, but I still want to make sure I leave my mark and make sure I don't leave no room for the judges to rob me. So I kind of made that adjustment in the second half of the fight.

52:53Shannon Sharpe:Shakur, you started off at the featherweight. Now you're a lightweight. And, you know, you're in that lightweight division of 135. You look at the greats that's been in that division, Roberto Duran, Sweet Pea Whitaker, Chavez, Henry Armstrong, Benny Leonard, the ghetto kid. Where are you now? Are you like, I'm going to stay here for a minute, or are you going to go to super lightweight at 140? No, I'm an actual lightweight. A lot of guys don't even realize. I walk around close to my fight weight. Like, how they talk about guys like... Yes, yes. He walked around close to his fight weight. Three pounds, four pounds, either way.

53:31I don't see myself getting no bigger to fight at 140 pounds. Them guys is a lot bigger than me. So, if I do it, it'd just be okay. I done did everything at 135 pounds. I conquered the division. And now it's time to move up. So, I'm comfortable here. I want to be one of the best lightweights of all time. And my last fight was kind of the beginning of that.

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