Nightcap Best of Unc & Ocho Clap Backs Part 1: Shaq & Unc Beefin?

27:08The picture of him dominating on a basketball court. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. he was the real deal oh okay he was the real he was the real deal hey that's live that's live but i put it like this here if shaq if shaq let's just say shaq came in in 92 and he stayed at 325

27:32ain't no way he doesn't have four or five mvp there's not no way he doesn't have four he doesn't have five six nb uh finals wait when he was in orlando he you say he was 325 when he came out he said one 325 hey that's that's a big human boy yeah golly and that's why i say you know we're never gonna see a shaquille o 'neal again people talk about we're not gonna see a jordan we're not gonna see a lebron we're not gonna see a kobe right we're never gonna see a guy his size to be able to move like that. Back and move? Hey, you know the little clip? Remember the little clip with him and Jordan playing around at the All-Star game?

28:14Yes. And he hit the... Hey, boy, buddy footwork, boy, Shaq footwork. They used to have a show on, I forget the name of the show, where Shaq would like, he would like go play flag football and he did other sport activities. Oh, yeah, I remember that. Did you watch Shaq? You see Shaq run? Yeah. i remember the episode nobody had that size you're never gonna see a guy that size with that kind of athleticism you're not but maybe this okay this is my opinion i believe has shaq taken it as serious as kobe as serious as george as serious as lebron right with what he know and the access that he had. So because as you get to that level, you have access to the best trainers.

29:05You have the access to the best nutritionist, the best chefs. Yeah. That's just my personal opinion. Right. So. Hey, man, y 'all, you know what? I ain't got no beef with Shaq. No, we can't have no beef with Shaq. We ain't got no beef with Shaq because I don't want to have to jump on him. You know? Now you laughing. I love Shaq. Now I told you we ain't doing no more beefs. I ain't got no beef with nobody but I don't look what we can do is we can have a healthy dialogue based on how we feel about individuals and their respective crafts and that's it sometimes they might take offense to it Shaq we love you Shaq you know I love you you know how I feel about you you my dog and there were no issues there were no problem we were just talking about a subject matter in which I don't know much about and that's it But see, Shaq is looking at what I'm saying in a vacuum because Shaq is the most dominant, and they've never bestowed that title on another five other than Wilt.

30:09Right. So Jokic is not more dominant, but he has more regular season MVPs. Guys are not more dominant, but he has – and so that's what I'm saying. I believe, me personally, and y 'all can disagree or disagree. Right. but Shaq said he didn't take practice here he said I was gonna get beat up in the game so why was I gonna get beat up in practice you can't think Ocho well I'm gonna run it Ocho think about this think about what he said now he said he didn't go hard in practice because he didn't want to get beat up in practice because he's gonna get beat up in the game what if you said you know what I didn't read no routes full speed in practice because I was gonna run a full speed in the game.

30:53Dang. He said on numerous occasions, he wished he had trained harder and kept his weight under control. But I guess me pointing that out, what he said, I guess he, you know. I'm where I am. Because you know, Ocho, you know I was able to walk away from the game and never ever look back? Because I got everything I could. out of this seventh round draft selection, out of this body, nobody will ever say, did people have more talent than Shannon? Yes, sir. God gave them that. But you ain't going to find nobody to say they outworked it. Yeah. And that's all I had. So 8-15, 10 ,060, 62 touchdowns, eight Pro Bowls, four first-team All-Pros, five total, three Super Bowls.

31:45That's all I got, don't you? that's all that's all i could get yeah out of what god gave me i couldn't get anything else i like and by the and by my podcast my podcast is what it is yeah some people like it some people don't more people like it than don't yeah the numbers speak for itself so i wish you the best on your podcast and your your platform but i ain't got nothing i i i ain't i ain't hear the bad Shaq or go back and forth with Shaq. No, no, no. We ain't going to do that. We ain't going to do that. But what we can do is we have a Nightcap versus TNT Royal Rumble. Like, if them boys want smoke, we can get it on.

32:24Like, listen, you get Shaq, I hit Kenny. I hit Kenny. I push Kenny over. Oh, yeah, yeah. And me and Chuck, we can go toe-to-toe to Nightcap versus TNT. I'm ready. It don't make me none. And we could be friends right after and go eat. Look, it is what it is. Look, man. It is what it is. I mean, look. And here's the thing. We're all wired like this, Ocho. We really are. We really are. Somebody can say a thousand times, Shannon's great. But it's the one time that they say I'm not that you fixate on. How many times have I larded Shaq but it's the one time what he fixate on and that's okay that's okay listen we all love each other Shaq we love you baby I ain't got no beef with Shaq I ain't never had no beef with Shaq no no no no no listen you vegan anyway you don't eat beef yeah but to each Shaq I wish you nothing but the best bro hey continued success keep doing your thing on TNT keep doing your thing on the podcast hey I ain't got no I ain't got no beef with you bro that was just my opinion we were talking we were talking about it last night because of what you said stick up for Shane whomever whomever that's your opinion that's your opinion Shaq I love you you want to go a few rounds let me know I was just sticking up for him in the chat but we good Shaq we good Hey, you know how to get in touch with me.

34:10You want to talk? Bro, hey, you want to talk? Off the air, on there, whatever you want to do, bro. We good. I'm good. I ain't got no problem with you. I ain't never had no problem with you. Shaq, you want to fight? Yeah. You know where to find me at.

34:27Boy, if you ever got a problem with anybody, nigga, I'm going to beat my ass, nigga. I appreciate that support. You worry about Keith Lee. Hey, Keith Lee, he going to eat some oxtail. He gonna eat some foo-foo and knock Ocho out. And let me tell you something. Keith Lee better stop playing with me, all right? He better stop playing with me because he ain't gonna be doing no food critic. He gonna be eating everything through a straw. This ain't what you want, but I'm telling you now. Hey, listen. Hey. Hey, Keith. As a matter of fact, I'm gonna fight you for letting him get on there and think he can beat me in anything competitive.

34:56So we gonna go ahead. After I beat his ass, then we gonna fight too. Hey. Hey, let me. Hey, JR. Listen to me, Jay. I don't care if it's Bruce Lee, Spike Lee, Keith Lee. Anybody with the last name Lee gonna get their ass whooped. Matter of fact, hey, Lee from Rush Hour. She finna get it too. She got me fucked. Why you got me hot? Hey, I was on a plane and I saw the thing. I'm like, well, damn. They just, okay. That's what we on? And I don't do MMA. I do boxing. This is MMA fighter? This is MMA fighter? Yeah, he used to do MMA. Oh, no, no, no. I don't mess with them. You got the cauliflower ears and all that?

35:36Hold on, hold on. Hey, wait, wait. Listen, just because somebody was an MMA fighter, don't mean they was good. I'm going to tell you right now. If he tell me he do MMA, I'm not rocking with him. Yeah. He good enough. I see the cauliflower ears and all that. Bro, you got it. My bad. You want another drink? What you need? You straight? Say less. Because if anything you do to me after that, I got to put a hammer on him. Hey, what? Hey, I done got too big to tussle that. Oh, wait, that's too bad. That's too bad. That's too bad. That's too bad. Because we're going to tussle for the simple fact that you even let him say Chad.

36:14You let him say Ocho. The word Ocean even came out of his mouth. You should have, hey, you ain't going to talk about my co-host like that. I take Ocho. You grab me, you're going to say ow. And you're going to say Ocho. You're going to say ah, oh, what I done done now.

36:30Hey, hey, tail keep me set that shit up, man. Set that shit up. Boxing. I don't use my feet. Yo, activate your feet, man. Boxing. Hey, that man's, hey, he said his hands updated. Who? Yeah, he said they registered in 13 states. I hope so. Mine registered, too. Mine registered, too. Hey, only one of us been on pay-per-view. I can tell you that. Hey. Man, leave that man alone, Ocho. Nah, hell nah. You all got me fucked up. We finna fight now. Matter of fact, if I can't see you at a restaurant in Miami, I'ma swing on you. LeBron 3 with 855 left in the third quarter was his 2 ,451st career three, breaking the towel with Kyle Corver for number seven all time.

37:19You talk about a guy that's number one in points, top five in assists, up there in steals, up there in the top 10 in three points. and three-point field goals made. I mean, what do we say? And it's like, we expect a man to play like LeBron to play until he's 50. They still expect him to put up the numbers like he did when he was 30. That's just how to let you know how great he is. When you have the same level of expectation for someone, you don't have the same level of expectation. Think about it. Switch, we don't have the same level of expectation for our parents or our grandparents as they start to age because we know physically it's just impossible to do.

37:58100%. But because LeBron, we still expect him to go out there and sometimes give us a virtuoso performance where he gives us 50 or he gives us a 30-point triple-double or he gives us a 40-10 type of a ball game. And he might can do that, but as we get older, and I just believe this, as we get older, it just gets difficult even as an athlete to do it with the ease that we once did and to rip and repeat. said act. Yeah. For me, it's like, honestly, because it's a different when you have the God-given ability to do it, which he does have, but also the mind to know how to do it, which he also has.

38:41Yes. So then once one starts, like, because your mind is going, like, especially for him, his mind is going to stay sharp. It's going to keep getting sharper and seeing defenses and seeing stuff that he's been seeing over the years. But at the end of the day, you ain't going to be able to get to that spot like you used to get to that spot. So then you got to come up with more counters and everything else. Yes. Or rely on your teammates. And being able to rely on my teammates when I got to go out there and get 20 instead of getting 27 or trying to push it to go get 30 every night. Like that's what it's going to have to be.

39:17Because, again, you see that spot and I can get to that spot. That's how you, you know what I mean? Like, look at Colt. When Colt was in New Orleans, he pulled out and thought somebody kicked him from behind. Like, that's when you start getting hurt. Like, you start to kick. Like, because you kind of get to somewhere where you think you can physically get to, especially him. And you need the extra burst with him. Yeah. You need the extra burst to try to get there. Yes, sir. And I don't want to put that on him. Knock on the good wood. But that's just how it is. And on the body. Like, he obviously takes amazing care of his body.

39:52he's probably the most, he's definitely the most best fit athlete I've ever been around consistently. And even like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. No, no, no. You ain't got no chance, dog. I ain't gonna lie to you. I ain't gonna lie. I ain't gonna lie to you. Ocho. It's not even close. Let me take this off. Hey, do what you gotta do. You can do whatever you gotta do, Ocho. Hey, man, the most fit athlete is sitting right here. That ain't. everybody keep disrespecting me now you telling me LeBron in better shape than me nobody look like this B that ain't pop tarts that ain't no pop tarts that ain't the Eugenic salad you talk about man this is what I do man I'm in the best shape of my life Swish he well buck 80 hey J.R I'm in better shape than every athlete on earth right now at 56.

40:52Nobody want to see me, B. Real shit, son. You in New York right now? Hell no, bro. He about 44. No, I was born in 68. Hey, are you in New York right now? Yeah, I'm in New York. He's born in 70. Hey, I put that on every bodega in the Bronx. Nobody, B. Son, I'm telling you. See, nigga, word to my mother. Nobody's in better shape than me. Joe Burrell says he bought a Tumblr Batmobile from the Dark Knight trilogy. Each were priced at about $3 million and are fully functional but not street legal. Burrow told T. Higgins and Jamar Chase during practice last week, have I told you I bought a Batmobile?

41:30I don't get it for like a year, but I bought one. That's a flex. That's a fucking flex. It ain't street legal. I mean, listen, you collect cars, don't you? You love cars, huh? Yeah, but they need to be street legal. I gotta be able to drive them on the street. I know, but something like that would be a collector's item. Something like, you know, Jay Leno Rick Ross, some of those dudes that collect things where it's not street legal. You put it up and you save it and lay it on down the road. You paid$3 million for it. Think about it. Maybe 10 years, 20 years from now, who knows what it might cost or what it might be worth for that matter.

42:06How much it cost? What do you want to say, Sweet? Three bills. Three bills. Three million. Three tickets. Man, listen. I don't know how much y 'all making. Y 'all killing it. Because I ain't got it. I ain't got it. Hey, that's Burrow. That's a$250 million quarterback. He makes$55 a year in football salary. He costs another$3 to$5 off the field. So he probably doing$60 a year. After Texas, that's about$30,$28. $30? Yeah, I ain't spending that. 3 million on one car? 3 million? Hey, if I spent 3 million, it ain't moving nowhere. Because that's a house. And I ain't talking about no RV. No, I'm going down there to Cabo with my boys in there and go buy a villa next to them.

42:51That's what I'm going to do. Yeah. I'm not a Batmobile and I can't drive it? Yes. He must be a huge fan of Batman or something. I don't give a damn if he was Batman. I'm not buying that. I don't want nothing. Hell no. Yeah. I mean, listen, we all have a vice in certain things. What$3 million vice you got? Oh, me? You know my cheap ass ain't got no value. That's what I was trying to figure out. Shit, I ain't got none. But, I mean, he probably does, obviously, for a reason, to spend$3 million on that. And I think the value of whatever it is he purchased, the Batmobile, Tumblr, whatever the hell it might be, years from now, it's going to be worth 10, 15 times what he paid for.

43:36It better be a Babe Ruth car type value or something. It better give me something crazy. Honest Wagner. Honest Wagner got the talk. Give me that. 3 million for a car? Oh, no. Yeah. I can't even talk trash. I think it was the 2009 to 2009 season. Hell, I at least got damn Bugatti for the year. Like a damn idiot. What was that payment? Yeah, but you got to understand, I was making so... This was money off the fee. I was making so much off the fee. I don't care. It's still your money. What was that payment?

44:13$25 ,000 a month. A month? Oh, hell no! Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know how I remember how much it was? Matter of fact, people in the chat, if you could do me a favor, you know how people get in trouble with their old tweets, like when they become famous or something, and people go search at their old tweets. We were playing Philly in the preseason and I tweeted in the middle of the game on the sideline after I got hit. I literally, literally on the sideline, I got hit, came to the sideline and tweeted, I'm okay, y 'all. The NFL fined me 25 grand for tweeting in the middle of a game and that's how I remember what my Bugatti payments was because once they took it out of my check, that was the tweet I sent out the next day.

45:01Oh my God. Hey, Chad, if y 'all know how to get on Twitter and go back to, I think I was still playing, probably 2009, 2009, I guarantee the tweet is still up. Go search your shit. Leave my shit alone. But bro, bro, $25 ,000, yeah. They found me what? $50 ,000 for untying motherfuckers shoes, dog. Hey, that was funny. I remember that too. Hey, that was funny. I mean, I I gotta be making some serious bread I gotta be having some serious bread but I don't really like a car like that man and now you got a tie cost $22 ,000 an oil change I'm buying a jet bro the upkeep cause it's really not the car it's the upkeep you know that it's just like anything you buy a big ass house stuff like that you don't drive every day now you don't drive because of the upkeep mm-mm F that nah you gotta have first of all you gotta have a what my boy got he got a a car manager he got a car manager that manages cars and all that so whenever he wanna drive he pull him up to the front of the house you know what I mean he makes sure everything is if you do cars yeah you gotta have that yeah you know like a Jay Leno like a Ross Seinfeld Seinfeld yeah Raph Larson cars Yeah, bronze.

46:28MJ. Jordan. I forgot a hanger, dog. Yes. Bro. Let me tell you, we got a car collection that you better not sleep on. I don't know if y 'all know him. That's called Rick Hendricks. Oh, Rick. Yeah. I don't know Rick. What, old school? Old school? Yes. Yes. I'm talking about Corvette split windows. Yeah, I'm talking about old, old stuff. He a Chevy guy. So you know all that Chevy stuff. like a Nova, like a Chevelle stuff like that Richard Petty is a Mopar guy, Dodge guy so he got the Cuda, the Super B's and stuff like that you know they made one of nine that you go to Mecham or you go to Barrett Jackson you talking about 2 million 3 million, 4 million dollars woo yeah that's what I got to do, hey Mecham I'm coming to an auto show, Ocho and I coming to an auto show.

47:26Hold on, how you gonna leave me out, though? I wanna go. You in the car like that? Hell yeah. Dude, I wanna drive. We go down there and buy some. Let's go down there and we buy some. My father, man. We gonna tell him like Randy Moss, straight cash. Straight cash, homie. I want my seats with ostrich in that jump. Ooh. You know what I'm saying? See, y 'all gonna be... No, you got to keep the car original. Oh, no, I can do that, though. Unless you're going to get a rest on block. Oh, no, no, no. If you're going to keep it original, I ain't going to lie. I need a 68 Camaro straight up. OK. Big block.

48:07I need that. OK, I like 68. Yeah, my pops got one. He got a Chevy. He restore him and all that. So I need to match up with pops. I need to go for a ride with my pops, man, for himself. I would like to have a Chevelle, a GTO. GTO. Nice. Eleanor? God Take On. Eleanor? Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. Yeah. Oh, that's the Mustang. That's the Mustang. Eleanor the Mustang. Oh, OK. That's what I thought the GTO was. I thought that was Eleanor. What movie that was? The Eleanor. That was going to 60 seconds, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Eleanor was that Mustang. Mm-hmm. Oof. That's cold. but I do like I do like old cars I want to get I'd like to get a resto mod it has that but it's modern it's a resto it's old school but it got modern people so that way I can drive it as opposed to getting something that's a 1960 and you can't drive it and that thing will be spitting oil and leaking all in your driveway that's how I feel about the Broncos that they're doing now you seen them Broncos that they out there doing The vintage Broncos?

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52:49You don't know the truth, pimp. You just talking at you with no facts. Let's talk or you scared like everyone else, bro. Hey, I didn't even know your answers. You're like, okay, I like that. I like that, huh? Hey, listen, we can have a club shea-shea, right? Listen to me now. Stay with me. You have a club shea-shea, DB edition. A good conversation, PowerPoint presentation style, film up there to support each of your opinions and facts that you might have. It ain't no opinion. He's not time. What are we debating? Let me finish, baby. Let me finish. Listen, I'm giving you the ultimate content right now.

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54:14After tonight, I'm done with this. There's nothing to debate. My bad. There's no one going to say he's in the realm of time. He's in the realm of Darrell Rebus. He's in the realm of Rod Woodson or Charles Woodson or Daryl Green or a male blunt. He's not. I don't give a damn what he says about the film. He played he played more. He played more. Look, bro, you had an unbelievable career. Congratulations. You're just not time. You're not time. You're not Rebus. Hold on. Did he make an all-decade team? Because Ty made all-decade and he's one of the 100 greatest players of all time. Let's see his resume.

55:01Let's see his body of work.

55:07I complimented him. I said, Ty don't believe in wasting motion. The T-step worked well for Asante. I gave him a compliment.

55:19Let's see his resume.

55:28So he didn't make all decade. Four-time Pro Bowler. One-time All-Pro. How many Pro Bowls did Ty make? How many All-Team? Yeah. Same number of Super Bowls. But one guy was a defensive player of the year. One guy as a defensive back swung the balance of power. How many DBs can say swung the balance of power? He go to one team to keep the other team from going. He goes to the other team and keep that team from going. Bruh, you had an unbelievable career. You went to a pro bowl, you an all pro. You're not time. And that's not a knock. it's okay it's okay but I don't know why you getting mad at me I tell you what go find the GM go find the coach go find the player that says Asante Samuel is the equivalent or better than time that's all you gotta do hell your son won't say you better than time and he a junior let's be real man you coming I'm the wrong one you.

56:50What you doing? Where you going?

56:58I got that. I don't know what you're talking about, bro. I don't know what you're talking about. I complimented you. I said you had an outstanding career. I say the T-step served you well. I just said you weren't tired. That's okay. If somebody says, you know what, Shannon, you had an unbelievable career. Shannon, you went to eight Pro Bowls. You're a first-team All-Pro. You're an All-Decade player. You're in the Hall of Fame. But you ain't Gronk. Okay. You ain't Travis Kelsey. Okay. But you ain't going to go no other tight end than me talking about you ain't that. If you want to say Gronk, if you want to say Kelsey, Shannon, you not that.

57:39I ain't finna fight you. But you ain't going to go no more. You ain't going to go no more. because when I left, every record that a tight end could have, I had it. Catches, yards, touchdowns, most yards of the game. Hey, so hold on. Now that you mention that, when we factor in the numbers and statistics, does that play any factor in Asandi's case, or it doesn't matter? Just curious. He had more pass breakups and fewer interceptions. How many pick-sextes did he have? all I know is when I left the game I had every record that a tight end could possibly have ain't nobody had them but me now they done came along and broke them Gonzo broke them and Gaze did this and Gronk and this and that but I don't know I don't know why he mad at me I gave him a compliment I said he had an outstanding career I said the T-step for him served him well this episode of night cap is brought to you by Cologuard, a non-invasive colon cancer screening test.

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1:00:05The Coligar test is not a replacement for colonoscopies. High-risk patients, Coligar tests, and adults 45 to 49 is estimated based on a large clinical study of patients 50 and older. False positives and false negatives can occur. Coligar is available by prescription only. I like the convo. I like the dialogue. I would love, especially for not the casual fan, but for people that are fans of the game. I wish we could dive a little bit more. I'm obviously not here on the show. I'm just asking you, find a general manager, find a head coach, find a receiver because he talking about he talking like he was there he might I guarantee you when you find somebody that say he'll top 10 a top 10 cornerback if we go back and study history top 10 corner so we got time we got Revis we got Mel Blunt we got Rod Wilson we got Darrell Green we got a Nils Williams we got Mel Blunt okay that's seven right there where we where Where are we going to put him in the list of all time and the history of the NFL?

1:01:06Is he cracking the top 10?

1:01:20That's your, I mean, that's your homeboy. He from Florida. I want you to tell me, you tell me. Where would you put him? No, I'm asking you. I just named seven guys. Which one of those seven guys are you putting him in front of?

1:01:38You heard me? Yeah, I'm listening. I'm asking you. Oh, I forgot about Champ Bailey. You putting him in front of Champ? You ain't answer the question. Are you putting him in front of Champ? You heard me?

1:01:56I'm listening yeah where would you put him I ask you I'm asking you the questions yes I'm asking you where do you rank him based on what you call I just asked this man a simple question I gave him seven eight names he talking about where would I rank him I ask you I get it you're going to probably bump into him Hold on, hold on, hold on. But at some point in time. Hey, hold on. It don't matter who I bump into. Okay, well, you got it in front of the guys that I mentioned. But he addressed you. Why are you asking me the question? He addressed you, so I'm asking you, where are you ranking? I already done said it.

1:02:33Are you putting, he's not in front of Time. He's not in front of Revis. He's not in front of Rod Woodson. He's not in front of Charles Woodson. He's not in front of Mel Blunt. He's not in front of Nils Williams. He's not in front of a champ, Bailey. That's seven. Okay. That's seven guys. Now you, who is he in front of? Is he top 10 all time in the history? Dick Night Train Lane, Emile Tunnel. Is he in...

1:03:09I'm just asking. He got all these facts. Who is he in front of? I'll tell you what. who is he in front of of the list that I just named

1:03:25you name all time like all time he talking like he all time great that's the problem nobody got a problem with him saying he's not good we're talking about he talking about all time great the guy that I list he's at the front of the line time it Mel Blunt defensive player of the year Charles Wilson, Defensive Player of the Year. Rod Wilson, Defensive Player of the Year. There have been a lot of guys. But number two, one is at the front of the line. He talking like he in that group. There are groups. Look, we go into a room. In the Hall of Fame, okay. We go into a room. We all into a room. But there are certain guys at certain tables.

1:04:10We in the room, but we not at that table. He not even in the room. He on the outside. Hey, y 'all know I played, right? Yeah, but this for big dog.

1:04:26Keep it a stack. So I want Chad, y 'all tell me of the guys that I list, who he better than? I ain't mentioned Pat P. I ain't mentioned Sherman yet. I just gave y 'all a couple of names. I want you to tell me who he better than than the list I listed. Who y 'all putting him in front of, Chad? y 'all put him in front of Dion y 'all put him in front of Revis y 'all put him in front of Charles Woodson Rod Woodson y 'all put him in front of Mel Blunt who are y 'all putting Champ Bailey who are y 'all putting him in front of Asante Samuel who

1:05:10hold on I'm trying to see I'm trying to see what the chat talking about no I want you to see what the chat talking about You played against him. What you talking about? You played against Charles Woodson. You played against Pat P. You played against Sherm. Who are you putting him in front of? I ain't playing against Sherm, but I did my thing everywhere I went. You hear me? It was like Halloween. If I knock on the door, I'm coming to get some candy. I'm asking you a simple question. Of the guys that were mentioned, who is he in front of?

1:05:48I wouldn't say in front of because you mentioned the greats but he has the numbers to be in the room. I know that much. And you base everything off numbers. Let me finish. Before you say anything, when you talk about MJ in comparison to Michael Jordan, when it comes to basing any other sport, we always bring up the numbers but all of a sudden the numbers are ignored when it comes to now talking about the dude. Hey, none of the, hold on. In comparison. He got four Pro Bowls. Now, listen, listen. Hold on. The dude got four Pro Bowls. Listen to me. I'm not finished. Okay. But again, now we understand.

1:06:25But when we do a comparison based on greatness, you know, we do everything with numbers. I'll tell you what. Guess what? You had a former coach. Your former coach had three Pro Bowls and 62 picks. You taking Dick LeBeau? Oh, hey. What you know about that? You like numbers. You love numbers. What you know about LeBose, what? What you know about Dave? You just told me numbers. Yeah, I mean, listen, that's what everything is based off of, right? No. Okay, numbers. Okay, let's go all pros. Let's go Pro Bowls. Let's go all decade. Let's go defensive player of the year. Right, right. That's part of numbers also, just not picks.

1:07:05Okay, okay. See, I look at it like this. if you get six picks and you give up eight touchdowns, what have you done? Okay, I see what you're doing. I thought the job of a corner is to take away more than you give up.

1:07:26That's a great combo. I'm just waiting on this man to tell me who is he better than than the list I renamed. Now, guess what? Let's have the conversation. Hopefully, Lord, spare both of our lives, we're able to have a conversation another 10 to 15 years. We will. I'm going to need to see a gold jacket on his back. Because all the guys that I mentioned, now, hey, Jalen Ramsey's going to be coming up. Richard Sherman's going to be coming up. Pat P's going to be coming up. You see, what he's trying to do, oh, it's all about marketing. Bro, you played on the Patriots. Ty Law played on the Patriots.

1:08:00Ty Law got a red jacket and a gold jacket. So don't do that bull job about marketing. if you who was on TV more than the Patriots Ocho oh during during that during that 20 year during that time who yeah oh so now it's marketing time ain't no marketing bro yeah he marketed himself to know how to parlay that but that man on the field you better go check them tapes

1:08:27either you can or you can't that's a great conversation bro that's a good one yeah oh Willie Brown Mike Haynes. Mike Haynes got nine like nine Pro Bowls. You better go check.

1:08:42That's a great convo. Let me grab me a water. Asante, go ahead, bro. Asante, you had a great career, bro. You a good player. You just said, all I said, you weren't time. And you had to get personal.

1:09:01I don't know why. I mean, if you wanted to come on nightcap to get your name out there, you could have did that. Hey. Hey, listen. That is a great combo, boy. You hear me? What's a great combo? This one? I like this. Obviously, it's not me as the individual, but I'm just saying. And his prime, is he better than Stephon Gilmore?

1:09:30I mean, at some point, hey, Chad, don't y 'all want Ocho to chime in instead of just talking about this is a great convo? He ain't said nothing about the man before. I'm listening to you. You're telling me. This is Nightcap, Unc and Ocho. We don't listen to each other. We go back and forth. I've been chiming in all the time. No, you ain't saying nothing. I'm listening to you. Now, listen. You see what he said, Chad? He listened to me. He addressed Shannon Sharp. He sent a long message to Shannon Sharp. So I'm just listening to what you're going to say. Well, hold on. Where did he address Shannon Sharpe?

1:09:58What was Shannon Sharpe speaking on? On what? On him. On Nightcap. Nightcap. Unc and Ocho. Right. So it's your job to answer back. I get it. Y 'all see, Ocho don't want to chime in. He from Florida. Ocho might bump into him. Y 'all know me. I don't give a damn. I mean, what is bumping into anything? See, here's the problem. Here's the thing with Shannon Sharpe. What is bumping into anything? Whatever Shannon Sharpe say on Nightcap, Shannon Sharp, if he bumped into said player, Shannon Sharp is man enough to stand on that. Bro, you not time. You not Charles Woodson. You not Rod Woodson. You not Darrell Revis.

1:10:36You not Mel Blunt. You not Mike Haynes. You not Darryl Green. You not. Facts. Now, of the 10 guys that I named, find a coach, find a receiver that say Asante Samuel is better than any of those guys.

1:10:58See, the way you make it sound, see you being mean. How am I being mean? Ocho. Ocho. You hear how you make it sound? You make it sound like Buddy was trash or something. I didn't say he was trash. Ocho. I'm just saying the way you talking, like you acting like we just sitting here talking about some old bum. I'm just curious. Ocho, who can I say? Yeah, I mean, listen, I played the game. That could be less Ocho. Wait, stay with me. Stay with me. Stay with me real quick. I played the game on the other side of the ball so I know. I played against Prime. I played against Zant. I have an understanding of both and how good they were at what they, oh, hold on, great as Prime was and how good Zant was.

1:11:52So it's hard for me to sit here and say, you know, the way you do it. When I saw it with my own eyes. I understand how great Prime is. But then I know what that young bull was doing as well when he was playing.

1:12:10All I said, I said he was good. I said he was a very good player. Had an unbelievable career. Look how you said it. He used a technique. He used a technique that time doesn't approve of. Two things can be true. Yes, sir. Okay. Some guys like to play press and open the gate. Some guys like to press and put hands. Whatever technique works for you. But he was talking as if he was the equivalent because he posted his stats and time stats, saying, look at our stats. Right. So he's posting those stats as if he's the equivalent. And I said he's not. I didn't say he wasn't a good player. I said he went to Pro Bowls.

1:12:59I think he was an All-Pro. I know he won Super Bowls in New England. That's what I said. Right. He took offense that I didn't co-sign him. I don't need no marketing. I don't need to co-sign. I think everybody's known I didn't have an opportunity to critique time when he played when he went back for those two years because he was mainly a safety and he didn't start the game. Okay, that's fine. But I've never had a problem critiquing any player. I critique Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, you name a player, Ray Lewis, receivers, T.O., Randy. I've never had a problem critiquing because I'm basing it on my not intimate knowledge of the game and film study.

1:13:50When I was at CBS, I would watch film. How many times when I was at CBS or Fox, when you ever heard a guy call and tell about, Shannon Sharp, don't know what the hell he talking about? Nah, that ain't gonna happen. See what y 'all trying to do. Well, you doing the same. That's not what I said. Nope, nope. I've never said I've never See, the difference is Skip tried to say I said I was better than Tom Brady. I said Tom Brady wasn't playing well. Why would I, as a tight end, compare myself to a quarterback? Okay, right, right, right. I would need to compare myself to Gronk, to Kelsey, or a tight end.

1:14:27That's the only way you can get an equivalent.

1:14:32I said, I said. Yeah. Asante had a great career. Pro Bowls, Super Bowls. Now, guy, like I said, you want to say, Shannon, you ain't Trav. You ain't Gronk. You right. You got to live with that. You right. You got me. Right. You got me. But I'm just confused. Hey. But look, bro, I gave how many? I gave you 15 minutes of fame. Fame that you never would have got had you not mentioned me or time. Enjoy it. Now, go back to your solitary life. Nobody's going to, when was the last, I tell you what, Ocho, when was the last time, prior to last night, when was the last time you heard somebody mention Asante Samuel?

1:15:34Take your time. I'm going to go get me some water. Take your time. Hey, Chad, y 'all keep on with your wrist. Hey, anyway, Chad, we back. Unk, he's a little upset. He's a little upset. Other than that, it's a great conversation. I like it. I like the dialogue. I like the back and forth. I like players also, what we already talked about, having a belief. Not only a belief in what you can do and what you've already done, and bringing it to the forefront. bringing to the forefront and supporting what it is you've done in comparison to someone else who is also great and that's okay now a lot of people won't see it that way as as you can see including none but one thing i i've always do see is if you were bad at what you do then i will always come out and say that but i played against both and i understand how good both were i understand how great Prime was.

1:16:31Obviously catching him on the tail end of his career and obviously playing against Asante during his Prime and understanding how good he was, how much of a student of the game he was. And what I'm not going to do is diminish what I was able to see for years while I was playing and understanding, watching film when I'm here and understanding how good he was and how savvy he was technically. So it's different coming from someone that actually played on the opposite side and understand how good he was. So it's hard to say, oh, He's not been, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I had to go against this. I had to go against that for years.

1:17:06So it's different. It's different. Especially, and a lot of people in the chat, obviously some of the comments on Twitter, on X, whatever it may be, their feelings are always different as well, because it's based off who you know and what they've done. Hey, that was good. I just asked you a simple question. Which one? Proud of last night and today, when was the last time you heard somebody mention Asante Samuel? I'm supposed to know. I be on nightcap. Every time a tight end break a record, who record they sit up there? The most 150-yard game. The most lost this. The most that. Every Sunday in the NFL season when a tight end does something, who name is up there?

1:17:49When they have them names, he just passed this one. Who name is also up there? Ochoa.

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