In short
The episode is a sports-and-culture “Nightcap” covering: (1) Atlanta Dream vs. Indiana Fever, where Angel Reese’s impact is framed as the difference; (2) the New York Knicks championship parade and the massive fan turnout; and (3) a comedic, scandal-adjacent segment about “who is sucking toes” at the parade, tied to Freaknik/Black spring break stories.
Guests
Chad Ochocinco Johnson (former NFL wide receiver; “paid for his feet” persona), and Iso Joe Johnson (7-time NBA All-Star; Atlanta Hawks; Arkansas alum; “bucket getter”).
Key claims
Reese is portrayed as a “catalyst” and “hustle” rebound-dominant player who changes team trajectory; sports are argued to be driven by storylines (Angel/Caitlin, Knicks/Jalen Brunson); Knicks parade culture is depicted as uniquely intense, with celebrities and “old guard” players included.
Notable examples
Dream’s 108-101 win (Reese 21 points/11 rebounds; Clark/Mitchell 26 each); Knicks parade celebrity sightings (Timothée Chalamet, Ben Stiller, Mariska Hargitay); comparisons to Bird/Magic and Messi/Ronaldo storylines; Dennis Rodman as the archetype for niche value (rebounds/defense).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOAtlanta Dream's Victory Over Fever
7:00 to 8:27
Discuss the Atlanta Dream's significant win against the Fever.
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Angel Reese's Impact on the Team
8:27 to 11:15
Analyze Angel Reese's contributions to the Atlanta Dream and her role as a player.
“and she said all along, and she called some flack.”
Storytelling in Sports
11:15 to 14:00
Explore the importance of storytelling in sports and its impact on fans.
“But she's the type of person that you can win a championship with because she's going to give you so many opportunities on the offensive end.”
The Power of Personal Stories in Sports
14:00 to 15:02
Learn how individual stories drive engagement in sports and connect audiences.
“No different than what you say about NICAP.”
Angel Reese: The Unapologetic Athlete
15:02 to 17:47
Discover how Angel Reese embodies authenticity and resilience in sports.
Angel Reese: The Unapologetic Athlete
20:33 to 21:21
Discover how Angel Reese embodies authenticity and resilience in sports.
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Angel Reese: The Unapologetic Athlete
21:28 to 22:00
Discover how Angel Reese embodies authenticity and resilience in sports.
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Finding Your Niche in Professional Sports
23:08 to 28:00
Understand the importance of identifying your role and niche in sports.
“she's a little better offensively, but she's the female version of Dennis Rodman.”
The Importance of Consistency in the NBA
28:00 to 29:20
Discussion on the consistency required from NBA players and the learning curve they face.
“You went wrong, but boy, you hauling ass.”
Celebrating the Knicks Parade
29:20 to 30:40
Hosts share their excitement about the Knicks' championship parade and the atmosphere in NYC.
“You gotta be consistent every day, show up every day.”
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The Significance of a Winning Culture
30:40 to 33:00
Discussion on the cultural significance of the Knicks' success and their fanbase's loyalty.
“And for the Knicks, they had the celebrities Joe and Mariska Hargitay.”
Acknowledging the Contributions of Past Players
33:00 to 36:00
Hosts reflect on the contributions of past Knicks players and their presence at the parade.
“Had Melo won a championship or Bernard King won a championship.”
Mike Brown's Coaching Success
36:00 to 38:10
Discussion on Mike Brown's coaching strategies and impact on the Knicks' performance.
“And like you said, Ocho, Dolan does take a lot of criticism, but I don't think he changed a thing, especially how it worked out.”
The Pressure of Coaching in New York
38:10 to 42:00
Exploration of the pressures and expectations faced by coaches in the New York sports scene.
“I've seen the clips of him having a great time, which he should, and it's amazing to see, bro.”
The Reality of Sports Expectations
42:00 to 42:40
Discussion on the constant pressure athletes face to perform.
“Look at all the years that he was great.”
The Reality of Sports Expectations
43:07 to 45:08
Discussion on the constant pressure athletes face to perform.
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Public Behavior and Nostalgia
46:33 to 48:05
A humorous discussion about past public behaviors at events like Freaknik.
“Hey, hey, hey, hey, Uncle Joe, sometimes it don't matter where you at.”
Recollection of Party Days
48:05 to 49:29
Sharing personal experiences from past party scenes and events.
“I mean, back there, and the heart, basically from about 92 to about 97, was that, I'm talking about, was the absolute apex.”
Life Lessons and Parenthood
49:29 to 50:48
Reflections on parenting and the personality traits of their children.
“Hey, Joe, we got an extra large, extra long jacket for him.”
Navigating Challenges of Parenting
50:48 to 56:00
Conversations about raising kids and recognizing past behaviors.
“meaning like I had never really been out there and hung out.”
Parenting Challenges and Hilarious Experiences
56:00 to 1:02:50
Hear hilarious and relatable stories about parenting and the challenges of keeping kids in check.
“Like my daughter, Kayla, she kind of like quiet.”
Transcript
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5:40Shannon Sharpe:Y 'all know who it is. It's your favorite on. And thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. My partner and co-hosts are joining me also. The first one, y 'all know him. He's a Liberty City legend. The bingo ring of fame honoree. The rock runner extraordinaire. He said he's the only wide receiver that never got paid to catch a ball. He got paid for his feet. That is Chad Ochocinco Johnson. And the third member of the Big Three. Looked like he's on the road tonight. Hey, he's a seven-time NBA All-Star from the Atlanta Hawks, a University of Arkansas alum. He's a Little Rock, Arkansas native.
6:14Shannon Sharpe:Y 'all know him, a bucket getter himself. That's Mr. Iso, Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And go subscribe to the Nightcap Podcast feed wherever you get your podcasts from. We would like to thank you for supporting us, for being here every step of the way, because all the ups, the downs, the highs, and the lows you've been a part of. And we cannot thank you enough because everything that we've been able to accomplish is all because of your eyes, ears, and your word of mouth. You watching, you listening, you telling friends, family, and loved ones about Nightcap.
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8:01Shannon Sharpe:They got 17 from Naz Hilton, 21 and 11 from Angel Reese. Alicia Gray had 17. Jordan Canada had 18. Ryan Howard had 16. And to go on the road and win this ball game, Joe, the dream of the different team. I understand they went to the playoffs last year, but Angel Reese has given them something that they were missing. And obviously they knew they needed it because they made the trade for it. They were willing to give up a first-round pick to bring her in, and she said all along, and she called some flack. I'm not the problem in Chicago. Now, y 'all going to find that out once I'm gone, but y 'all want to make me out to be the villain, and I'm going to play this role for another two to three months.
8:42Shannon Sharpe:But once I get up out of here, y 'all going to see y 'all not that good. Go ahead, Joe. What do you think about this game?
8:48Chad Johnson:I thought the game was great. You know, with the dream, obviously, almost having five people with five players with 20 points, Uncle Ocho. Now, they all didn't have 20, 16, 17, 17, 18. Reese had 21. But, man, when you're talking about promise from the Atlanta dream, man, they look great, bro. I mean, they went on the road and beat a great Indiana team. I mean, we got to give them credit. Indiana, they had three girls with, what, 25 points?
9:20Shannon Sharpe:Boston had 23. Kelsey Mitchell had 26. Kaitlin Clark had 26. They shot 56 % from the floor, Joe, 47 % from the three, but they had 17 turnovers, and that's what –
9:33Chad Johnson:Yeah, and when you look at the dream, man, they're a blue-collar working team, fellas. When you look at it, they hard-nosed, they're going to fight, scratch, claw, do whatever it takes to get a win. That's why I enjoy watching them play. Obviously, Angel Reese, I feel like she's the catalyst because her energy and effort, you know, you can't make up for that, bro. You know, I don't know why Chicago was willing to give up, but I'm glad she came to Atlanta. You know what I mean? And I think Atlanta has some promise to where they're really a team that's capable of really probably winning the title, honestly.
10:08Chad Johnson:You know, I mean, because going into Indiana, it ain't no easy feat, bro. You got to go in there with your mind made up and ready to play with your hard head on. I think the thing is with Angel is because she was such a young player,
10:21Shannon Sharpe:and you know how it is, guys. We both, we've all been young players that graduated into veteran players and we played very, very well. Young players are supposed to be seen and not heard. Whatever criticism you may or may not have, keep them to yourself. And definitely do not voice them publicly. If you want to say something within the locker room, you want to take it to upper management, that's fine and good. But when you air these grievances out, and so they've cast her to be the villain, that was an easy role for her to have because she's been the villain ever since she played Caitlin Clark in the national championship game.
10:54Shannon Sharpe:She's been the villain ever since then. And so it was easy for them to put that cape on her, that crown on her head, and so she could wear it. And she gladly accepted it. But that doesn't diminish who and what she is. she's a lunch pail lady that's going to get you second chance opportunities. She's going to dominate the glass. She is a hustle, hustle player. Does she have the prettiest shot? No. But she's the type of person that you can win a championship with because she's going to give you so many opportunities on the offensive end. Because she's coming out of the game every night with somewhere between three to five offensive rebounds every single night.
11:35Chad Johnson:She is a monster. And when you take into consideration that since Angel Reese and Kaitlyn Clark has came into the WNBA, Uncle Ojo, they've changed the trajectory of the way the league is being seen, the way people look at them, view them, and obviously the pay. The pay has gotten better. That's why it's hard for me to process when I see these girls being jealous of these girls. It's like, bro, they helping everybody out. You know what I mean? They helping everybody. How in the hell can you be mad at these girls when you should be helping them? Yeah, I ain't saying when you play against them to take a light on them.
12:11Chad Johnson:Yeah, compete, compete, compete to the fullest. But at the same time, bro, they've done great justice for the women's game.
12:20Shannon Sharpe:And I think the thing is that a lot of times what people don't understand, and I didn't really understand it until I got into the business, sports are about stories. Yes. I know fans look at wins and losses, but about stories. When Ladbird and Magic Johnson got to the NBA, it was a story. A very compelling story. Now, we don't talk about this too much, but what color was Bird? What color was Magic? Where was Bird in the Eastern Conference? Magic was in the Western Conference. Boom. We got a storyline that we can ride for the next several years. Angel Reese, Kaitlyn Clark come. Boom. Boom. Perfect.
12:52Shannon Sharpe:Because Bird and Magic played in the National Championship game in 79 in Salt Lake City. And guess what? Kaitlyn Clark and Angel Reese played in the National Championship game. And here we go. So we have a very, very compelling storyline to embrace and wrap ourselves around. Because just imagine, Ocho, your sport, soccer, if we got Messi and Ronaldo in the World Cup final. Hey. Hey. What would the storyline be now, Ocho? It ain't just about goals. Yes. What's the chances, though? That's what sports are about. It's about storylines. Look at the storyline with the Knicks. Jalen Brunson, a second-round draft pick, 30 teams passed on him at least once.
13:40Shannon Sharpe:Guess what? He was on a team, and they didn't want him. And he goes there, and they said, you know what, an undersized guard can't be your lead dog. Yeah. A great storyline. Sports are about stories. The better the story, the more compelling it is to watch. Tom Brady great is there a better story than Tom Brady than LeBron James are there any better stories no I was going to say Uncle Joe that's what makes sports so dope that's what makes sports so dope so regardless of what sports you play each player has an individual story and that individual story is what makes them who they are which in turn keeps the people coming back to say a sport because of the stories.
14:31No different than what you say about NICAP. Yeah, people come to hear the sports. You know, they hear the talk about sports, but the story, Joe, they stay for the stories. They stay for the stories and the experiences that we've had throughout life. The funny thing about it is, Joe and Uncle, when we talk about the story that we've had, a lot of people don't even know how relatable we are to them.
14:51Shannon Sharpe:Yes. Because we haven't been through the same stuff. Yeah. We've all been through the same stuff. so I mean I mean it's dope it's dope so I'm very happy you know for Angel Reese and like you said too also Joe is she's always been a villain she's been able to wear that crown she's been able to wear that mask avoid being villainized in general and play right into it I love y 'all guys they're talking about LeBron story doesn't play a man a man born to a single 16 year old mother didn't have a dominant male figure grew up in the projects move around and round and round and arguably became the greatest basketball player ever not two parents a single mother tom brady's story is phenomenal six round draft pick i was a seventh round draft pick i understand what it's like but see it's easier for it was easier for tom brady and shannon sharp to become what they because they had no expectations the greatest killer of careers is expectations expectations imagine imagine and we see people drop when their parents have been successful and their grandparents have been successful and all of a sudden ocho they're expecting that that's where the term black come from yeah so when you have grandparents you have two three generations that are successful and all of a sudden you're following that lineage and you don't some people can't handle that yes because it's like well damn what what happened to you your grandparent your gra your great your great grandfather your grandfather your father your brother your mother yeah her mother her father expectations are the number one killer and and and i think the thing is with angel reese and what she's been able to bring she's unapologetically herself she make no apologies for who you are take it or leave it you either like me or you don't once you realize how little once you realize how few people act what they really think of you you wouldn't care yeah whomever you think the greatest orator is whoever you think the greatest leader is tell me the last time you heard somebody mention their name we all will be forgotten at one point in time yeah while you're here you determine what is important to you absolutely what is important to you you got to have a purpose i watched arsenio hall i heard arsenio hall said you know what he's like he left his show and he didn't get right back in it and it's like he realized he didn't need any more money what he needed money couldn't provide him he wanted more of that he said i had time off i wanted more of that not more money because i understand what comes along with money more of the rat race i just wanted some time.
17:55Shannon Sharpe:I wanted to be a dad. I wanted to go pick him up from school. Yeah. So for Angel Reese to be who she is, make no apologies for who she is, blend right in. She got ladies that can go get buckets. Ryan Howard was the number one overall draft pick. Alicia Gray can get buckets. Jordan Canada, Angel Reese fit in seamlessly because you really don't have to run a whole lot of offense for it. You don't have to run no plays
18:26Chad Johnson:I'm telling you, man, listen. Ocho, she reminds me of a guy who I played with named Sean Marion. Man, listen, listen, listen. You didn't have to run not one play for Matrix, bro. And he was going to end up with 20 and 10 every night, Ocho. I'm talking about every night, bro. I'm talking about he was going to go. He just outworked everybody. He had a quick second jump. Like, he was the difference maker. Copenhagen spit-free pouches are packed full of American-grown tobacco. Made for welders. Stuck behind masks. More mechanics. Stuck on a fused spark plug. The long-haul trucker is stuck in gridlock.
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22:02Chad Johnson:And what we were trying to do in 05, obviously making it to the Western Conference finals, end up losing to San Antonio. But if it wasn't for him, bro, we wouldn't have been the team that we was, bro. He was the guy. He was the separator. Because you got to understand, he was an all-star playing the three his entire career. And then all of a sudden, De 'Antoni moves him to the four. And I'm like, damn, how that's going to work? Sean's kind of small. Because normally, back then, I don't think about it. Because you had Sewell, Karl Malone, Rasheed, you had real
22:33Shannon Sharpe:people. Barkley. Barkley had retired there by the end. Barkley retired by the end. But they were loaded, yes. In the West?
22:40Chad Johnson:I wasn't guarding power forwards back then. You know what I mean? Now Sean got to guard these power forwards. And, man, he done a hell of a job. I'm just saying, Angel Reese, she was. Zeebo. Yeah, Zeebo was a monster. He was in my draft class. But Angel Reese, she reminds me of him, bro. She just outworking everybody who she plays against. And you know playing against a player like that every night, well, you got to get your sleep because you know one thing. Hey, hey, she coming to play, bro. And you got to be ready. Yeah.
23:11Shannon Sharpe:she's a little better offensively, but she's the female version of Dennis Rodman. Oh, absolutely.
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23:17Chad Johnson:No question.
23:18Shannon Sharpe:Because you already know Rodman. Rodman was getting 15 rebounds a night. You just tried to keep him from getting 20 or 30, but he was going to get 15, and you tried to do everything you possibly could to keep him off the offensive glass because you know he was washing the glass on the defensive easy. Too much of a motor. Because like you said, Joe, a tremendous second bounce. He go up, and the next thing you know, he's down and back up again. Well, damn, bro, you just left the floor. How the hell you back down and back up again?
23:49Chad Johnson:Yeah. Hey, but they say Dennis Rodman was one of the hardest workers, bro. Like, when I say hardest worker, no, he ain't coming in the gym getting up no damn shots. But you talking about getting on that treadmill? You talking about things like that? Because he know his energy and effort is what's keeping him in the league. That's what's going to keep him being a professional. So he did that to the T.
24:13Shannon Sharpe:Man, did it Robbins say, man, look here, I might score six points. I might give you that. But I need to have these 16 rebounds to go with those six points. Hey, and then go over. The man have 20 plus rebounds and no points. Hey, each player got to create their value, huh? Yes. There's five players on the court and you got your bench. Each player has their own niche that makes them special and makes them valuable. Once you figure out what that niche is and that pecking order that you guys kind of brought to my attention when it comes to the game of basketball, hey, that is your value. And plus the thing is that you understand what is this, what is my niche?
24:55Shannon Sharpe:Because a lot of times guys are not happy with their niche because rebound ain't sexy. Playing defense ain't sexy. Yo, you know I got to get these buckets. Hey, man, let me get 20. Let me get 30. Let me cross somebody else. Let me poke on somebody. Dennis Rodman understood. Ben Wallace was another one. But listen, I'm never going to average 20 and 10. Yeah. I'm going to play defense. I'm going to anchor this thing down. Hey, and I'm going to make it tough when you come in the paint. But I'm going to get these rebounds. That was Dennis Rodman, wherever he went. I mean, Dennis Robin averaged like four.
25:32Shannon Sharpe:Dennis Robin get 17, 18 rebounds a game for a season. That's crazy. And he's not seven foot tall. 17 a game? Yeah, you go back and look at his number. Dennis Robin led the league and rebounded like seven times. Were the balls or the pistons? Both. He led the ball all three years. In Chicago, he led the league and rebounds.
25:57Chad Johnson:Yeah. Hey, think about this. you know for the kids who watching for the kids who coming into the nba going into the draft you gotta understand bro all these dudes were the man on their team at high school and college you know what i mean they put up great numbers everybody not gonna be able to do that in the pros uncle ocho you know you're gonna you're gonna like you say you may not even know your niche when you first get there but damn it you better figure it out if you want to play real talk now hey i'm I'm speaking from experience because I was one of those guys who obviously had a knack for scoring.
26:30Chad Johnson:But my rookie year, bro, I had to find a way to stay on the court, Ocho. And that's just through my work effort, playing defense, being disruptive, doing whatever I can. I just never wanted the coach to have a reason to take me out the damn game. Real talk. I never did, bro. So to these young cats who think they're going to come into the league and going to get 15, 20 shots a night, hell no, that ain't going to happen, bro. it's going to be a pegging order and you're going to have to get your ass in line but in the meantime while you're in line you need to be figuring out another way how you can get your ass out there on the court yeah
27:07Shannon Sharpe:it's really not that complicated as long as I got cleats I got a job as long as I got cleats I tell the young guys cleats on your feet you got a job sneakers on your feet that means you got a job and like Joe, so find out what it is. Hey, you learn very own. I'm just going to do whatever. I might not get it right. I might make a mistake, but it's going to be 100 miles an hour. Because the thing is, they can coach everything else. They can get your technique. They can teach you how to read coverages. They can teach you all that. I can't teach you how to play hard. That's either in you or it's not.
27:46Chad Johnson:Absolutely.
27:49Shannon Sharpe:And that's what the coaches say. son, don't, hey, let me cut you. Don't cut yourself. Even if you don't know what you're doing, do it a hundred miles an hour and we'll figure the rest of this ish out. Yeah. Okay. Sharp, hey, boy, Sharp, you look good. You went wrong, but boy, you hauling ass.
28:06Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, hey, hey. And it can't just be on days where you feel like it. You know? It's gotta be a consistent. It has to be a constant. You know, I'm saying for a head coach to trust you, he gotta really feel like this is you. This is who you are. You know what I mean? And I think when you got a lot of young guys, a lot of young players, because you got to understand now when you come into the NBA, the top guy on the team, hell, he may not be about three, four years older than you. You know what I mean? As to when I came into the league, we had real vets.
28:36Shannon Sharpe:You know what I mean? Them guys that spent at least three years in college. Now these guys weren't done. You hear me? So you get there. When you weren't done, you were your first year there. He was your second year there. Yeah. He might be your age. age. So you might go to Dallas and Cooper, you and Cooper flag the same age.
28:55Chad Johnson:He already got a year on his bill. That's what I'm talking about. So, you know, I hope these young guys ready, man. I'm looking forward to it, bro. But it is a learning curve. It's a huge learning curve because some guys don't really get an opportunity to really show what they can do until about three or four years into the league, bro. It takes that long sometimes. Everybody don't get the, everybody don't get the ball handed to them right away. Man, go ahead and make mistakes, go ahead and play. Hell no, someone's gotta wait our turn.
29:23Shannon Sharpe:It's still all about consistency, Joe. You gotta be consistent every day, show up every day. Be hey, things be going bad like damn, damn bro. You ever, are you ever mad? Are you ever upset? Hell no. Right. For what? Yeah. The Knicks had their parade today. Let's check out the scenes from the NYC.
29:51Shannon Sharpe:Wow. You understand. Look at the people of the building.
29:59Chad Johnson:They're coming up and cut up. They're risking their life. Yes! If they were to fall, you know if they were to catch them right below. You will hurt somebody right below what you're going to do.
30:16Chad Johnson:You know, New York's brother's city would probably shut down. Oh, for sure. The police ain't even tripping. They like, whatever.
30:25Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, for the police to take you in, you got to do something really aggressive.
30:39Shannon Sharpe:People going haywire on Instagrams. That's what it's supposed to be. And for the Knicks, they had the celebrities Joe and Mariska Hargitay. I think Ben Stiller was there. And Timothee Chalamet. It is just unbelievable. I don't know if anybody treat their celebs and their fans quite... And I understand. Look, the Celtics got a great fan base. The Lakers, you know, Jack... Spike Lee is the equivalent of Jack Nicholson. For LA, what Jack Nicholson is for LA, Spike Lee is that for the Knicks. I don't know who that is for the Celtics and all these others, but I'm saying just those to. I don't know, Joe, if we've seen anybody treat their celebs to be in the parade to walk and get the love and adoration that the players receive?
31:28Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. That is crazy. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. But that is amazing to see the fat Joes and all those people get that kind of love and that kind of praise. And the old guard, man, the way they have Patrick Ewing and Allen Houston and and Starks and Spree and Grandmama, all those guys there, damn near every game?
31:51Chad Johnson:Yeah, that is dope. Hey, Ocho, here's what you gotta take into consideration. I'm happy for New York. I love to see it, I think it's great for the game. But when you got about eight to nine million people living in New York, bro, this is what you get. They are going to support their Knicks, die hard. And look, we always talk about, man, if you win a championship in New York, boy, you're going to be goaded. Forever. Forever. Forever, forever, ever. We're witnessing history right now. Yes. It's amazing to see, bro. Look, us seeing all these fans sitting up on the buildings and the light poles, man, that don't surprise me, bro.
32:34Chad Johnson:I expected all this. You know what I mean? I expected all this.
32:39Shannon Sharpe:If you look at the way they treat their old guard, the Clyde Frazier's, the Earl of Pearls, Willis Reed. I think, I don't know if he's still alive. Bill Bradley and the Buescher and all those guys. Bird Dog, Bernard King, Melo.
32:59Chad Johnson:Yeah.
33:01Shannon Sharpe:Can you imagine? I can only imagine what it had. Had Melo won a championship or Bernard King won a championship. Right. But hey, but this group of guys right here, now the team is going to look different next year. Dolan has already told you, I ain't going to the second apron. Y 'all don't tell you, I ain't going to the second apron. So don't be coming and talking about, can we keep this team together? I'm not going into the second apron. Y 'all take whatever y 'all want to take from that. But this group of guys right here, as you mentioned, World Wide Web and all those guys that put this team together, congratulations, man.
33:37Shannon Sharpe:That is unbelievable. but there's nothing like having that parade. I was fortunate enough to go to one. Well, we had three, but I went to one. And to see 600, 700 ,000 fans out there are all in orange, it's an unbelievable feeling. And I can just imagine what the Knicks – that was almost 30 years ago for us. But the Knicks –
33:57Chad Johnson:I think the coolest thing for me, Ocho, when I'm watching everything kind of unfold, you look at the older Knicks guys, the Larry Johnsons, you look at Mello these are two different generations all these guys are in the parade which they have to a degree, you feel me? and I enjoy seeing that part because bro, they love that Knicks players bro, past or present they do they will do whatever so for those guys to get a chance to ride through this parade to enjoy New York City at probably as high as moments you know I think it's a blessing bro it's a real blessing and you know also Anka Joe it's a good thing and it says a lot about not just Nick's organization but also says a lot about the person who able to green light everything and he gets a lot of flack a lot of flack and Dolan gets a lot of flack on yes and you know he's one who's been able to green like this because most of the time I understand the issue which have been brought to my attention between Charles Oakley and Mr.
35:02Dolan and obviously it's unfortunate but some of these other players you know that played in the past that have always been front and center that are supportive of the Knicks whether doing good or whether doing bad they've already been there they've been there so I it's it's a kudos to Mr. Dolan and that organization for allowing them to be a part of that parade you know the blood sweat and tears and all the hours that they put in you know during their time in their tenure and trying to achieve you know what today's Knicks players have been able to do just being able to celebrate them in enough, it fills the void that they couldn't.
35:36Shannon Sharpe:Wes has done an unbelievable job. He comes in, he rebuilds the team, he fires Thibodeau. The trade for Cat and swap Cat for Gino Randall, DiVincenzo, but that had to go because he didn't want to break up that Billanova four pack. He's done an unbelievable job. And like you said, Ocho, Dolan does take a lot of criticism, but I don't think he changed a thing, especially how it worked out. Cause at the end of the day, it's like Frank Sinatra, you say, he did it his way. Yeah. Did it his way. And so, uh, yeah, I, I wish of all things, like I said, I wish O could have been a part of this because he gave so much to that organization.
36:23Shannon Sharpe:Unfortunately, uh, uh, he and, and, and Dolan are butting heads. I think for the most part, the large part of the contingent of New York, they know Oak laid it on the line for them for a decade. But, you know, things hopefully one day cooler heads will prevail. Hey, nobody would have thought that Jordan and Barkley would come back around and see things eye to eye, and it's seemingly that's happening. And so hopefully when it's all said and done, when you realize the petty differences that we may or may not have, it really isn't worth it. And so hopefully Oak and Dolan will be able to work these things out, sit down and have a conversation and move on.
37:06Chad Johnson:Yeah. Hey, I want to give Mike Brown a lot of credit too, Uncle Ocho. You know, I think some of the adjustments that he made coming to New York, meaning putting the ball in cat hands and letting them be a decision maker and not being so brunt and heavy, you know, throughout the games, I think it helped make them, it made them a better team, bro. It made them a lot better team, you know, because they were less predictable. You had so many guys involved, whether it was OG, Bridges, Hart, Brunson, Cat, you know, you got guys coming off the bench who played big minutes. Alvarado, I think probably, you know, especially those last two games when he threw Alvarado when they were down 29 in the garden and they end up coming back winning their game.
37:54Chad Johnson:He played some significant minutes in that game five, too.
37:59Shannon Sharpe:He pushed all the right players.
38:01Chad Johnson:Yes, sir. So I want to give him his credit, bro. He's a hell of a coach who's been there. I think he won one as an assistant coach, but now as a head coach, I'm sure it feels a lot sweeter, especially being in New York. I've seen the clips of him having a great time, which he should, and it's amazing to see, bro. It's amazing to see.
38:21Shannon Sharpe:I agree with you, Joe. And I think the thing is that, like, when you – in Cleveland, it didn't work out. Wasn't he at the Lakers too? Didn't he coach? I know he coached Sacramento. He coached somewhere. Didn't he coach the Lakers? He was in Golden State for a while. I know he coached Golden State because I think he coached a couple of games when Steve Kerr was having that issue with his back. Yeah, yeah. Let me see. But I think the thing is, like, when you don't have the success that you think – now, he was successful in Cleveland. You know, he was coach of the year. They won 66 games. They went to the NBA finals.
38:55Shannon Sharpe:LeBron was 22 years of age, ran into that juggernaut sports, Spurs team with Duncan, Manu, and Tony Parker. But, you know, you live and you learn. And you're like, okay, these are some of the mistakes that I made at other stops. Let me not make those mistakes here. And I think the thing of a great coach is to understand that when I made mistakes, okay, this is what I did well. This is what I did wrong. let me try to highlight and accentuate what I did good. Let me try to highlight, let me try to stay away from what I did bad. I thought so. He did coach the Lakers. 11 and 12. I thought so.
39:31Chad Johnson:Yeah, he took over for Phil Jackson, I think, in 11 and 12.
39:36Shannon Sharpe:Okay. Yeah. But this is, like I said, I don't really know Mike Brown, but I pull for him because I understand that, you know, he's been one of the fortunate ones that didn't win a championship in one place and go get a job. Normally, we get to Adrian Griffin. We get a situation where, you know, guys un-surremotously get released and never resurface again. We get a guy like Mark Jackson, and I don't know. I still – I want somebody to tell me what happened with him. You hear all these stories, and I don't want to repeat them because I don't know if they're true or not. But you look at the success that he had.
40:17Shannon Sharpe:He took teams to the playoffs. he's really the uh what started the foundation and i appreciate steph and draymond and clay giving him credit because he established the foundation of what the golden state warriors were to become unfortunately kind of like a tony dungeon in tampa ocho he didn't get to reap the
40:33Chad Johnson:benefits of it hey hey but but when you look at it uncle ocho i'm not even sure mike brown was the
40:39Shannon Sharpe:next first option as far as no he wasn't they said he was like six or seven but a lot of people turned it down because they saw how he did Thibodeau. And they saw that that Dolan is never going to change. That's a never-ending battle.
40:55Chad Johnson:And knowing that you're coaching in New York, they just came off the Eastern Conference Finals. Hell, if you don't get back there, you feel like you're probably going to get fired.
41:04Shannon Sharpe:Yes. Absolutely.
41:06Chad Johnson:So for Mike Brown to take that job, bro, you got to have some cojones, man, because you hired to get fired if you just want to be 100 unless you win it.
41:16Shannon Sharpe:I think the thing is, Joe, had it not gotten back, had they not won the title, it was a failure because you hired Thibodeau. You fired Thibodeau because you felt that. Because, see, I looked at it like this. I felt that the Knicks felt that once they beat Boston, Boston was a team that was in their way. Once they beat Boston, it was smooth sailing. Yes. Before you knew it, they were in a battle with the Pacers.
41:44Chad Johnson:and nobody sees it.
41:46Shannon Sharpe:And they're like, hold on, wait a minute. We beat the team that won the championship. We ain't supposed to lose to the damn Pacers. Yeah. So he built those expectations. It's just like Winocchio, we criticize the player. No, don't criticize us. He built those expectations. Look at all the years that he was great. And now when he's not playing well, we're not going to base it on say, oh, but what about, no, no, no, no, no. We complimented him. We said he was an all pro. We said he was an MVP. We said he was a DPOY or OPOY, Rookie of the Year. We gave him kudos. Nah, the thing I love most about sports is that unlike most jobs where you have to update your resume every three to six months, you got to update your resume if you play basketball damn near every other day, if you play football every single week.
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45:47Shannon Sharpe:Still sliding that same old ass resume across the table. Man, damn, bro, I see you hadn't changed jobs in a couple of years.
45:59Shannon Sharpe:Any new references? But this was unbelievable. We either saw Ocho or Paul George sighting. Check this out, Joe. You seen the what? Oh. Come on.
46:16Chad Johnson:What's Paul George now? That's you with the feet. She's going in. That's you with the feet. She's alive. Yeah.
46:29Shannon Sharpe:Put your hand over that right there. Just let that up out. Oh, that's enough I take over. Hey, hey, hey, there we go. Hey, hey, hey, hey, Uncle Joe, sometimes it don't matter where you at. Sometimes you got to get it in. You hear me? Huh? Sometimes you got to get it in. No, man. No, no. You can't do that in the public now. Hey, hey, hey, Uncle. Listen, there was a time, you know? There was a time where things used to be just like that. It didn't matter. Man, time wasn't never like that. Yeah, well. Yeah, maybe. Oh, yeah, yeah. You go to spring break and you drunk. y 'all remember MTV Spring Break, yo?
47:02Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, man, of course. People was wilding like that. Hey, I've been to Spring Break, but you drunk. Man, come on now. Hey, time out, time out. Talk about time out, time out. Let's rewind. Let's settle down a little bit. We talk about somebody sucking toes at the Knicks parade, right? Yes. You do know we were a part of Freaknik, right? Let's not act like we've never seen nothing like that in public, and we done seen way worse with Freaknik down in Atlanta now. Look at that. I'm not going to talk about it. I'm not gonna tell you about the times I was there, Joe. Boy, listen here. Now, now you talking, now see, now you talking my language.
47:36Shannon Sharpe:Cause I was smack dab in the fricking. As a matter of fact - I was right there with you. I was just a little younger. They reached out to me. I got no comment. I'm saying. Oh, when they did the documentary? Yeah. Oh yeah. Why you ain't get on that man, tell your story? No, no. Joe, mm-mm. Sup, hey. Joe, where you was at? Where you was at during that time, Joe? Man, when was it? When you was at, what? It was 91. What was the time Joe got? By the time Joe got there, it was done. I mean, back there, and the heart, basically from about 92 to about 97, was that, I'm talking about, was the absolute apex.
48:16Apex, yeah.
48:17Shannon Sharpe:Was that the absolute apex? I'm talking about - I was still in high school, hell. Hey, Joe, I was a freshman. I was a freshman in college and I had an opportunity to go out there. That's when it was. You cut up. I was a baby. I ain't really cut. I wasn't shy, but I'm outside of my element based on what I've been able to see because grandma kept me kind of somewhat shelving a little bit. It was new to me and I just remember what I saw at that time.
48:49Chad Johnson:Y 'all don't take me for guys who do public fornication. Y 'all don't take me for the old kind of guy.
48:56Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, you be out. I do. I do take you that. That's why you're number one. But I would say, somebody said, as a matter of fact, I was having a conversation today. They're like, man, Joe. They said, man, Joe be real quiet. I said, man, Joe got your food. I said, Joe, present that shy, that shy brother in me, that shy little brother. I said, man, Joe cut up. Hey, why? I said, Joe cut up. Joe cut up?
49:20Chad Johnson:Why you want to put that jacket on me? It don't fit me, man. It's your size? It's an extra large?
49:27Shannon Sharpe:Extra large, extra long. That's the size you wear? It definitely is an 8. Hey, Joe, we got an extra large, extra long jacket for him. That's the size he wears. Hey, Joe, you think you fooling us. You ain't fooling us. I can see that. Yeah, you ain't fool me.
49:41Chad Johnson:Well, I ain't, what you mean? Well, yeah, I ain't the one who's going to freak me and doing all this. I wasn't doing all that.
49:50Shannon Sharpe:God, you wasn't old enough. Had you been older, your ass would've been right there. Let freak down. Listen, your ass would've been right there.
49:57Chad Johnson:Listen, that was before my time, man. That was before my time, but I already know y 'all went down there and cut up. I knew, I already knew. Matter of fact, it's funny, he ain't go to Freaknik, but I guarantee he made up for it. He made up for it. What do you mean? You, oh. Joe, you made up for it, boy.
50:15Shannon Sharpe:I believe it, I believe it one going to another. Black College Beach Week, Freak Nick, Orange Crush. I mean, Daytona got a black college spring break. I got another one for you too now. Hold on, hold on. What's that? The classic. The classic Family of Bethune at the end of the season. Yeah, I heard about that. And don't forget about Memorial Day in Miami. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But see, when I was, you know, when I got to get out there and cut a buck, they wasn't out there like that. Hey, listen, let me tell y 'all something.
50:45Chad Johnson:Well, when I first heard about Miami, I was in the league, meaning like I had never really been out there and hung out. Okay, Ocho, I ain't going to lie to you. But me and the homies went out there, and I said, you know what? I got a guy out there who said he's going to train me. We can go out there, train, you know, work out and party. We was only supposed to be out there for three days. Man, we was out there for two months.
51:09Chad Johnson:All right, Ocho, we out there for two months. I'm talking about – Damn. How three days turned into two months? You know how it go, man. You get out there, you go to mingling, and next thing you know, you like, well, I think I can stay a couple extra days, the one week. Yeah, man.
51:24Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Babe. Boy, that Black College Beach week, man. Hey. Boy, I put that bitch on the road. Tallahassee, Atlanta, South Carolina. Hey, if you had a 400 mile radius.
51:41Shannon Sharpe:I'm coming. I'm coming.
51:46Shannon Sharpe:Hey, Freak Nick, I told Shell, I said, look here, the camcorder, they got everything recorded on from 90, from Freak Nick and Black College Beat Week, so basically 90, 91, 92, and they got 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97. Put that in the ground with me. Hey, hey, hey. Put that in the ground with me. As a matter of fact, you know what I'm going to do. I'm about to destroy that.
52:11Chad Johnson:Nah, nah, nah, nah. You gotta destroy it. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Nah, you gotta go back and look at it, Ed. Now and then, look. Wait, hold on, hold on, Unc. This is what he need to do, Unc and Joe. You saw Paid in Full, huh? Remember Cam 'ron? Remember Cam 'ron character when they was in the club and he showed the old footage?
52:30Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. You need to get that freaking footage and show it on nightcap. Oh, no, hell no. Wait, Unc and Joe, look here. Some of them women, I'm almost certain, are married. I'm so sure some of them are grandmas. No, just lay that alone. Just blur the face out, man. No, my grandma used to say, boy, staring up old-ish, it still smell.
52:50Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, hey, hey, Ocho. Ocho, I know what you're looking for, because I got a couple camcorders with some SIM cards in there that's got some stuff on there, boy, from back when I was in Miami. Boat parties and all, oh, yeah.
53:03Shannon Sharpe:All the - Hold on, hold on, Joe, hold on. And house parties.
53:06Chad Johnson:Oh, boy, the house party was off the chain. Hold on, Joe, what you were doing on the boat, Joe? You know, we just having a little fun, you know. Hold on, I can't hear you. Take your time, don't start. I said we were having a little fun, okay? Yeah, it probably about eight to one on there. You know what I mean? God, eight to one? Yeah, about eight to one on there, yeah. We just, hey, hey, hey.
53:32Shannon Sharpe:You have some good time. Hey, Joe, you know it get a little hot? You already know. Young Shay come up outta the room. What you got that thing? What? Bad was I? Yeah. Bad look here. I already know. Dang. Nah, Ocho, you know, some things, some things, you know, we're just, I survived it. Like I said, I'm glad I'm old enough because some of the things that were going on, I didn't need to see. And I damn sure didn't need to be in the vicinity why it was happening. Yeah. Yeah. That right there, what you saw, that ain't nothing right there. Oh, who was that? What? Hey, that was elementary, Joe.
54:21Chad Johnson:Oh, they were getting that out like that? Oh, Joe. What? Man, please. Joe, you was in Miami already, so I ain't really got to tell you nothing. But Joe, I want to freak me, though. Freak me. Hey, man, I heard some stories, bro. Joe, you got to realize, hold on.
54:41Shannon Sharpe:I'm 24, 25, 26, 27. The first time I went to Black College Beach Week in Daytona, I had just, I was 21.
54:58Shannon Sharpe:Walking down the street, Joe, I'm talking about, hey, me and my homeboy, we done got to go, went to the gym and pumped up, and I tore. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
55:06Chad Johnson:Oh, yeah.
55:07Shannon Sharpe:Good. Man, you bad. You ought to see others pulling over. Good God about it.
55:14Shannon Sharpe:Hey, they said, where you going? I said, I'm in Savannah. I'm in HBC. He said, I go to FAM. I said, well, I'm like, where FAM at? Tallahassee? I said, you know what? It's funny that you mentioned that. I got a coach that coached at Tallahassee. I've been wanting to visit him. I'll be down there in two weeks. Oh. Boy, I was out like a scout on a new route. Oh, boy. It was some fun days, boy. They were. They were, ooh. Yeah. I can't go back. I'm glad. Look, you know what? When I had all my kids together, and I'm going to have Jordan to post a picture. Yeah. My kids don't have none of my personality.
56:01Shannon Sharpe:I mean, some of it. Like my daughter, Kayla, she kind of like quiet. She kind of like to herself. She moody, explosive personality. But as far as like that, none of them took that from me. I'm talking about none of them. They got all they mom. I say, thank you, Jesus.
56:20Chad Johnson:Thank you. I can't say the same.
56:27Chad Johnson:I can't say the same. You know what they got your personality, Joe? I wouldn't, nah, my daughter and my youngest son, dude, my oldest son, he a little different on that old Joe. I got to keep my eye on his ass, boy. He different, he different. You know, hey, but I'm just keeping it real with y 'all chat, y 'all hear me out. I done caught him a few times, you know, doing some stuff he ain't got no damn business doing. You know what I mean? Hey, Joe, you got to think about it now, when you was at age, man. I wasn't doing that. I wasn't. I wasn't. I was his age, Ocho. I wasn't doing that, bro. No, I was too locked in.
57:08Chad Johnson:I was too locked in, you know what I mean, on what it was I was trying to accomplish. You know what I'm saying? Right. And you know how it is, man. You know, but when you get up in them age, 17, 18, 19, your hormones go to rage as a young man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And boy, look, you looking to get that thing wet at the end of the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you like Christopher Columbus now.
57:32Shannon Sharpe:You trying to go sailing now. Yeah, I'm going to explore, hey, I'm Magellan. I'm going to discover, I'm gonna discover something. I don't know where, but I'm gonna discover something.
57:45Shannon Sharpe:Hey, but no, but I look at my kids and sometimes I catch them, I was like, damn. My son had two girlfriends his entire life. He broke up with the one and then he married the other one. He been married, I think, five years. My daughters, I'm talking about nothing, nothing like me. Right. I'm talking about absolutely nothing. I knock on wood, thank you, Jesus. But I just knew, I was like, man, God gonna pay me back for this. He got to.
58:18Chad Johnson:That's what I'm saying, bro. Real talk. I can't make this up. Okay, Ocho, check this out. So when my son was in, he had to be bowed. He had to be about in eighth grade, ninth grade. So, you know, he said, man, he, you know, he playing at a basketball game. So I did a basketball game. He said, dad, can my girlfriend come over? This is school night. It's already about nine o 'clock. School night. School night. He said, man, can my girlfriend come over for, you know, a couple hours? You know me. I'm like, yeah, man, she can come over. So she come over. Now I'm keeping a close eye. I'm like, y 'all sit y 'all ass in the kitchen on the couch, you know, watch TV.
58:55Chad Johnson:Ain't no going to the bedroom. ain't gonna be none of that. You know what I mean? Just keepin' it 100. So I leave them in the kitchen, so when I do come back in the kitchen, I'm makin' noise, because I want you to know I'm comin'. You know what I mean? Just in case you tryin' to do some sneak, you need to get right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had the case through there about two, three times. I guess they had done got comfortable. Hell, I come back through there about a third time, the lights off. I'm like, damn, why the lights off in this moment? Brother, I come in the kitchen, I go, I turn the lights, i'm like damn why it's so dark in here boy it ain't nobody in the kitchen come on joe nobody in the kitchen okay oh joe but to the right to the right of the living room it's a bathroom
59:39Shannon Sharpe:it's a he's got a yellow light on and i can see people in that moving around and i'm like
59:46Chad Johnson:i'm not hey hey man come on man she gotta go home bro you gotta go what what's going on So that's why I say, boy, listen, cause it's stuff like that. I wouldn't have never tried with my mama.
1:00:01Shannon Sharpe:No. You feel what I'm saying? No. No. First of all, I was too embarrassed cause we didn't have no indoor plumbing, we didn't have nothing. So wasn't nobody coming to the house. And even when we got the new house, I couldn't in good conscience. Right. Now I ain't say in the driveway, in the car, but hey, you ain't coming in the house. Hey, that's funny, boy. Nah, nah, nah.
1:00:23Chad Johnson:And Joe, hey, Joe Lightway, you a cock blocker. Cock blocking like a mug, car. Let me tell you something. Boy, you think you finna bring a child in here and you a child, you finna, boy, please. Nah, hell not.
1:00:34Shannon Sharpe:We ain't doing that, Ocho. They already, hey, I had my daughter, Joe, hey. Boy, you thought I was Jonathan Austin and Anthony Munoz the way I was blocking. Hey. I had that chime on the door every time. Hey, come on, look here. I said, guys, because all the friends stayed, they stayed over. I said, look, I said, I'm responsible for y 'all. I said, if y 'all can't do right, y 'all gonna need to go home. That's all I'm saying. I said, ain't gonna be no sneaking. Ain't gonna be no going on like that. I said, y 'all just need to go. I said, Kayla, I'm sorry, baby. They gonna just have to go home. I said, because y 'all done told everybody y 'all at Mr.
1:01:09Shannon Sharpe:Shannon's house, and I'm responsible for you. I said, ain't nobody coming over here. I didn't I didn't have that problem already. Hey, you can joke now. My older daughters, you know, they grown, they grown, grown, you know, got their colleague working, you know, doing their thing. My 11 year old baby Kennedy. After school, school over. Daddy, you know, school is over. I just want to know because some of my friends come over and we have a sleepover. Hey, listen, mama, we not doing that because I'm not being responsible for nobody. Kids. Exactly. Nothing to happen over here. Now, I know you're only 11.
1:01:45You probably ain't doing nothing wrong. You're probably innocent. But even still, I don't want nobody, kids, under my supervision, and I act like a child myself? Uh-uh.
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Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark battle, Knicks Championship Parade, fan caught sucking toes and Iso dry snitches.
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
04:25 - Dream beat Fever
23:35 - Knicks Victory Parade
36:45 - Ocho or Paul George sighting at the Knicks parade
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