Nightcap Hour 1: Argentina COMPLETES COMEBACK vs Egypt + iShowSpeed ENDURES RACIST Taunts at World Cup + Switzerland KNOCK OFF Colombia + Belgium EMBARRASSES USA

16:57And it looked to me, I was kind of, I'm not going to say I was nervous,

17:02Joe Johnson:but I also thought they had it in the bag.

17:04Shannon Sharpe:Oh, you was nervous. You had to be nervous.

17:06Joe Johnson:I'm not going for Argentina, but the messy magic showed up at some point. I mean, and obviously collectively as a team, they did well to come back and get in that game, but it was a joy. That was the most exciting game, one of the most exciting games of the tournament, easily.

17:23Shannon Sharpe:Well, here's the thing though, Joe. Let's just say he wasn't rooting for Argentina because it would help his case a lot more if Ronaldo's out and Messi goes out right behind it. Because the last thing that he wanted to see happen is this man get another golden boot and another World Cup. Because it's going to get harder and harder to make that argument. Even if you like his style.

17:46Joe Johnson:Not really. Because even though Messi won the World Cup last year and Cristiano hadn't won one, I never use stats and accolades when I talk about the conversation of who the goat is. Everyone else does. And not understanding my choice and preference of player is based on skill and technique and stuff of that magnitude.

18:05Shannon Sharpe:Well, then how is he not skilled if he done got all them goals?

18:12Joe Johnson:Let's just say I can't go out there and mimic and try to emulate Messi in real life. I can try and emulate and replicate what Crisciano does. I can't.

18:23Shannon Sharpe:You should be able to be with Messi because you can take off running and run everybody to the ball and put it in the back of the net. It's not as easy as you think, man. I know it's not easy, but with your speed, all I do is give you a great lead. You take a...

18:37Joe Johnson:Hey, for one, listen. When Messi dribbled, the ball is stuck at his foot, Joe. It's like, you know how you got a yo-yo and a yo-yo being on the screen? Yeah, I know what you mean. I know what you mean. Pushing on him, tugging him.

18:48Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, Messi got a handle like me. See, you got a handle like... Let's see who you got a handle like. you gotta handle like like DeAndre Aiden or somebody you ain't you know what I'm saying you know what I'm saying handling the ball ain't what you do that's how you feel little hand they call it small hand okay but they say messy is small they say messy hands are only 7 and a half inches do you know how small that is that's a large lady's hand Do you understand how small seven inches is for a man to have hands that small? Do people realize that? That's why he don't have to use them. Yeah. I don't know what he could play other than soccer with hands that small.

19:42Shannon Sharpe:He out there with a glove. I don't know what type of glove he going to have. He going to have a kid's glove for real playing in the majors. Hey, it's all good, man. But that joke is phenomenal, man. And just when you think he's done, just when you think you can never count that G-Doka out. He caught that ball in. Yeah, yeah.

19:59Joe Johnson:Nice little volley right out there, man. And then he put it, the only place you can put it to get him to go, to go in.

20:08Shannon Sharpe:He kicked that thing so fast and so hard, Ocho. I'm like, ain't no way. This man got to be praying. This a praying man.

20:15Joe Johnson:Ain't no way. And you know what? You can see how much that game meant to him after that game. He was crying. Yeah.

20:20Shannon Sharpe:He was crying.

20:21Joe Johnson:He was crying.

20:22Shannon Sharpe:Hey, he was crying because he know he know the opportunity that they have now and what they had to overcome to get there here Yeah, you're being man. Come on man. They really posed to been down three nights.

20:32Joe Johnson:Hey, I ain't gonna say done I ain't gonna say done.

20:36Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, they really pull a a that second that second goal by Egypt back to they took that one Yeah, we came back. That was a F you go like But he had done take his shirt off on that second when they took it back. He came right back. I saw you Argentina is going to go down. Even Brady said, hey, man, this might top 28-3. Man. Being down two goals in the 79th minute?

20:59Joe Johnson:That's about –

21:00Shannon Sharpe:No, no.

21:01Joe Johnson:It top that? It don't top that. Brady, that's what Brady tweeted. It's equivalent in a sense because it's the World Cup. So it's equivalent.

21:10Shannon Sharpe:Because Brady then was down. Brady then was down. I think Brady then was down 28-3 with 3-0-6, three minutes, almost a little over three minutes left in the third quarter. So they had about 18 minutes. So if you look at it, they basically had to overcome what they did. So they had 11 minutes left to make it 90 and stoppage time. So they had about four or five minutes. So they basically had 14, 15 minutes to overcome a two-go deficit. Outside of the Spurs in this finals, I ain't seen a bigger debacle. I'm serious than what the Falcons had against the Patriots. I ain't. Oh, that's one of the biggest.

21:49Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I mean, you got to go back. Well, just a couple of, what you call them?

21:57Shannon Sharpe:The Colts? No, Minnesota. Who had to lead with 31-0 over the Colts? Wait, 31-0? Yeah, 30-something. Hold on, that was this year? That was two years ago. Two years. Didn't Minnesota come back and beat somebody like that? Not 31, huh? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yes. Chad, who was that? Who had that lead like that? Was that – did Indy beat Minnesota or Minnesota beat Indy? That must have been just a regular season game.

22:29Shannon Sharpe:Coach Blue 33-0. Yes. Damn. 33-0. Buffalo came back in the playoffs against the Houston, the Oilers. 33-0? Yes. Yes. Yes. We talked about it. That's how I remember. We talked about it. Yes. And I tell people, it's easier to play from behind and come from behind as opposed to get a lead and try to hold on to it because you get conservative. Because what happens is that you're like, man, why you stop throwing it? Yeah. Why you stop doing it? Because I'm trying to bleed the clock. I don't want to stop the clock. And I don't want to give them any scoop and scores because every time I drop back, I subject my quarterback to get script sack.

23:18Shannon Sharpe:I subject him to get a ball tipped, Karen, and it gets picked. So I'm trying to do everything I possibly can to keep us out of that situation. So you start to play extra cautious. I get to get extra aggressive because I'm already down. Don't give a damn. I ain't got nothing to lose. You got everything to lose. You're supposed to win. That's why you said 33-0. 33-0. You're supposed to win the game. I don't give a damn what happens. Damn. Not in today's game. Not in today's game, fellas. Not the way it's played. It's just like basketball. It's easy to come back now. What a three-point shot. And everybody's shooting so well.

23:53Shannon Sharpe:You only had like a handful of guys. Now, you got a team, two or three guys can get hot and make five, six in a row. And what was a 20-point lead is down to six or eight inside of two minutes. Yeah. But this was crazy. While the broadcasting in the stadium each Argentina past two games, the FIFA World Cup has faced racial taunts from South America country fans. Now FIFA has reportedly opened investigation into fans' behavior. The most recent incident came days after an Argentina fan seated above speed staged a performing monkey-like pantomime towards him while others shouted insults. He's dribbling the ball with everything on the line.

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27:38Shannon Sharpe:Last week, while streaming at Argentina's win over Kate Birdie, a different fan, Speed in Spanish, go cry at the zoo. Damn. And you heard the Paraguay senator what she said to Mbappe. I'm saying, does this surprise you on Ocho, though? No, not Argentina. Okay. Even in Belgium. People don't understand the story of Belgium. And people talk about these horrible dictators. And I hate assigning where he was worse. If you were a dictator, you were bad. So I hate assigning where he was worse than him. And we mentioned dictators. We mentioned Stalin. And we mentioned, who was that? Idi Amin. Idi Amin.

28:17Shannon Sharpe:And we mentioned Pinochet. And we mentioned Pol Pot. I don't know if people know about King Leopold of Belgium and what he did. go study go look that up when they talk about all these others go look up what King Leopold did in Belgium to those oh my god and then you're going to start to say well hello why don't we talk about him like we talk about some of these others

28:50Shannon Sharpe:oh my goodness that's why I wanted them to beat Belgium more than anything now look I'm not going to sit here and try to put us on a pedestal. Because we've had our own show of atrocities right here in America, okay? So, Chad, I don't want you to think that I would ever. I'm just saying there are things that have happened in society that we try to brush over. And sometimes, even if you try to brush over, it doesn't go away. Nope. Man, this... I wrote a quote down today, man, that Einstein said. And man, this thing spoke to me like, I don't know if anything has ever kind of spoke to me kind of like this, like a,

29:33Shannon Sharpe:hold on, let me find this quote. Oh. He says, whoever runs with a lie at some point will eventually trip over the truth. Nothing remains hidden forever. Eventually, no matter what you scrub away, no matter what they do with the textbooks, no matter what they do, no matter what, try the story they try to tell, nothing remains hidden. forever. People will do their homework, they'll do their research and they'll find out. But I'm not surprised. When they said Argentina, I was like, okay. I'm not surprised. I'm not.

30:11Joe Johnson:Especially in soccer, racism has always been prevalent depending on the league that you're playing. Players have had to deal with it. There was an incident, obviously, with Vinny. When Real Madrid was playing Benfica, there was an incident. and just over the years, it's always been issues, racism in general, and it's always been a part of sports. Can you get rid of it? Sometimes they ban fans when they're able to catch who the fans are, but it'll always be there. It'll always be there.

30:41Shannon Sharpe:It's as American as apple pie. Yep. I'm just going to tell you what.

30:46Joe Johnson:I got to write that down.

30:48Shannon Sharpe:It's as American as apple pie? I mean, some things are just inherently in the game. I mean, I read that before, you know, whites wouldn't fight blacks because they said they didn't deserve a chance at the championship. They wouldn't fight them. And think about it. They had to pass legislation to get blacks to be even in the league. You remember, there wasn't no blacks in baseball. There wasn't no blacks in football. There wasn't no blacks. The first black, the first this. What, Jackie Robinson in 1947? Man, they've been playing baseball since the damn 1800s, late 1800s. 1800s. It took damn near 100 years.

31:26Shannon Sharpe:Oh, yeah. There were no blacks in football.

31:30Joe Johnson:Hey, give them the history on how long.

31:32Shannon Sharpe:You know what I hate? They're going to get bad. They're going to get bad at the vote, Joe. They're going to say, you break your politics. I'm sorry.

31:39Joe Johnson:Tell them how long it took to get a black quarterback out there.

31:46Shannon Sharpe:Well, if I'm not mistaken, I think Marlon Briscoe was the first black to start a game. And he was in the Broncos, I think, in 1968. Now, you had Shaq Harris for the Rams. You had Marlon Briscoe. You had Joe Gilliam. Yeah. Jefferson Street Joe. So we had some. But it wasn't until Doug did what he did that they really, really felt. Because unless you win the big prize, Ocho, they say, oh, yeah, you won a game or two. But can you win the ultimate prize in which how you're judged? And that's the Super Bowl. And once Doug did that, it's like, okay, maybe they can. I mean, think about it. Go back and I think it was, I saw a thing where Hank Aaron was doing a story about the hate mail that he was getting about he was about to break Babe Ruth's record.

32:41Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

32:44Shannon Sharpe:It was bad, man. Well, it was so bad, Joe. It was, well, people don't even know. But see, what they do is they say, well, you had a two-term black president, so racism had to be gone. See, they'll take an isolated incident. They'll take a situation like Joe or myself or Ocho, someone that's made it. See? You made it. Everybody can make it. Come on now. Come on now.

33:13It's crazy.

33:15Shannon Sharpe:You got to realize, I mean, hey, you didn't have both. I mean, supposedly we had rights, but it took the Voting Rights Act in 1965. The Fair Housing Act. It had so many. I mean, you had to. It's in the Constitution. What you're supposed to be able to do. And we still had to go fight for it. People died. The Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma. The boycott, the bus boycott. The same thing in Greensboro City. It was in the Constitution we're supposed to be able to vote. we just had the right to vote and we still got to die for it

33:54Shannon Sharpe:so I'm not surprised but I don't want people to think it's just your hell over your phone you see it on social media somebody constantly used the M I saw a guy I think a guy he got I think he got 3-5 years in jail he ended up punching a man because he kept calling his kids the N word and he said he had a history of that yeah so I don't want people to think it's just Argentina or it's just Belgium or it's Europe good old good old America we got our fair share right here too absolutely we got our fair share right here too so I'm not surprised so hopefully like you said Ocho it's not leaving it's not going nowhere because hey Albert Astad also said something also he said something very interesting and I know this to be true he said watch out what people say to you when they're angry he said they've been dying to tell you that watch how people talk to you when they get angry Ocho they've been dying to tell you this

34:53Joe Johnson:okay so okay Cambodia really meant that okay okay

35:00Shannon Sharpe:remember how I said Ocho people use that as alcohol breaks down your inhibitions see you won't do anything drunk you hadn't at least thought about sober because your mind won't let you go there. See, alcohol breaks down the inhibition. The fear that you had of maybe doing that. And then what did they say? Man, I was drunk. You thought about that. Why you was sober?

35:23Joe Johnson:Man, I got a question.

35:25Shannon Sharpe:Out of the mouth speaks the heart. That's what the Bible teaches us.

35:29Joe Johnson:I like that. I like that. So, Duncan Joe, now give me this one now. Now, you know, you got people that sleep well. You got some people that talk and they sleep. So last night I was sleeping and I kept hearing something and Cambodia she was talking in her sleep. So obviously wouldn't the truth be that that would also be the truth? Whatever you say in your sleep? Well, what would she say?

35:55Shannon Sharpe:No, that's a subconscious. It's like Chad you ugly. That's an involuntary response. Go ahead, Ocho Joe. What'd she say, Ocho?

36:07Shannon Sharpe:She probably said that she was probably wild away.

36:20Shannon Sharpe:that's different but uh i mean people use and people use i was angry i was upset that's how they really feel huh that's how they really feel always kids angry people who generally tell you the truth yep because they'll suppress a lot of things and then speak on it and be like but I was like huh but I'm not surprised by this I mean I wish I mean this is if Dr. King was still alive he'd be over 100 years of age he'd still be disappointed

36:54Joe Johnson:yeah it was a good fight the message and what he was trying to get across was awesome a lot of people died for that a lot of people still fight for that this day but with great understanding that we got a long way to go. And even though we wanted to end, it's something that is highly unlikely because there's so many different people that will never...

37:19Shannon Sharpe:Because you have to look at society. How was it founded? How was America founded?

37:22Joe Johnson:Take your time.

37:24Shannon Sharpe:Y 'all know what they did. Y 'all know what the people that was already here, what they did. Not only did they kill them and steal their land, they gave them blankets that was infected with smallpox. so when they went on the Trail of Tears, they were dying along the way. So they could steal more of their land. Come on, man. I don't want to get our sponsorship taken. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do it. I don't want to do it. Y 'all know how America was founded, Chad? Chad, no.

37:52Shannon Sharpe:So think about it. Think about all those countries that got invaded and they stole their value with their artwork. The Nazis, when they took the artwork, in Austria and all these countries. What did they do? They made them give it back. But you come take these people's land and you rob these black men that were sharecroppers and purchased this land and you took it from them. And when they say give it back, you said no.

38:26Shannon Sharpe:But you know what? Chad, I don't said enough. I don't said enough. Y 'all going to see our chat? I've tried to get us some sponsorship, and I don't know if this is helping our cause. But chat, y 'all know I'm telling the truth. Anything that y 'all disagree with me with, go read. They know it. They know this is blown to them. Because normally you take something. If you take something, normally if you take something, you steal something, Ocho. They find out. What do they do? They come give it back to the rightful owner. No questions asked. How can you purchase something that you didn't need? They already live here.

39:08Shannon Sharpe:They already had it. You can't purchase something that's not for sale. Man, I bought the Statue of Liberty. It ain't for sale. I bought the Brooklyn Bridge. It ain't for sale. So how the hell you buy something that wasn't for sale? You took it. And then you put them on a trip. And look where they put them at. Little small pockets of land. Arizona, and a whole lot growing in Arizona, Oklahoma. Y 'all see what they did? They used to be up and down the South. Shawnee Chick-Taw, the Lumbee, up and down. What they had now? They still got the Seminoles. They still, you know, hey, Florida State Seminoles, they're proud.

39:50Shannon Sharpe:They a proud group. Some of them, the Apache, some of them still want their name. Some of them are upset that the NFL removed that from the commander, the commander's now what it used to be. Some of them are upset about that, but they know. That's why it's really hard for me to talk about other countries when I know we've been one of the biggest prevails of violence, of systemic racism, the biggest prevail. where do you think we learned it from violence is learned taught oh so that's how you get it that's why you have to be careful if you're a child and had violence perpetuated against you you'll have kids if you're not careful what will you do you do to your kids what will done to you

40:49Shannon Sharpe:so that's how you can get that so I can get me something Okay. See that. It's a cycle. Let's go, man. Hey, man, it made me think about something, man. It made me think, damn, I ain't learned nothing in history, Clay. I don't know none of this shit you talking about.

41:11Shannon Sharpe:Yo, I feel it, man. All right, all right, all right. I will say this. And, yeah, I'm going to pat HBCU on the back. There's no way I'm as informed and as knowledgeable as I am had I gone to a PWI.

41:30Joe Johnson:The curriculum is completely different. Completely different.

41:36Shannon Sharpe:They want to make sure that their best... Shannon, you're going to be something. We want you to be our best representation.

41:52Shannon Sharpe:Argentina would not face Switzerland in the quarterfinals. They defeated Colombia in the defensive masterclass. Match ended. Couldn't get it solved in stoppage. Couldn't get it settled in extra time. Switzerland won on PKs 4-3. Yeah. Ocho? It was a good game. This was a very good game. Hey, I thought Colombia had it right before half. I mean, he got off a hollip, sir. That goalkeeper. That goalkeeper from Switzerland.

42:19Joe Johnson:Yeah, he was a baller.

42:20Shannon Sharpe:Hey, it's been some good goalkeeping throughout this whole World Cup.

42:23Joe Johnson:Yeah, man. Absolutely. Columbia had a few chances, too, in open play, Unc. You know, I can't remember number 21's name for Columbia. He had a shot there at the right towards the end of the game, and he skied it. He skied it. He curved it too much. That could have won the game for them before it even went to extra time. Outside of that, really good game. Both teams, obviously, they had their opportunities on goal. The goalies played extremely, extremely, extremely well on both sides. Obviously, it came down to PKs. I don't like PKs because you don't know it can go either way. A lot of people, I think a lot of players, it makes them uncomfortable to have to kick PKs as well, as you can tell by some of them that are missing and not confident.

43:06Joe Johnson:You can just tell in their body language when they get up there. So, I mean, listen, Switzerland is really, really good. So when they play Argentina, it's going to be a really good game. Really, really good game. So I'm excited. Man,

43:19Shannon Sharpe:that dude from Switzerland, he kicked the ball so far out of there. I said, because I could have did that. I mean, that wasn't even close. And he was like, Lord, please let us win this game. Please let us win this game. Oh, my goodness. And I think the thing is, the Colombian goal kicker, he's like, you know what? They've been going this way the whole game. let me and he gets wrong he gets wrong because he almost got his hand on it on the first one he almost got his hand on it but the guy put so much on it it still got past it yeah but he like oh I was right there and the Switzerland guy he had two of them and went right up right up under so he was on it the whole game he was oh man he was phenomenal

44:12Joe Johnson:now we ain't got no soccer tomorrow

44:16Shannon Sharpe:no soccer tomorrow

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47:59Joe Johnson:What to do tomorrow?

48:03Belgium, the game that, oof,

48:07Shannon Sharpe:let me get mad all over again. Completely demoralized the loss. Belgium had six shots and one goal in the first 10 minutes of the game. Malik Tillman scored in the 31st minute. They tied the game 1-1. But one minute later, Charles Ketelera scored the second goal of the game. So we score. And a minute later, they done took the lead again, Ocho, Joe. So, it was all down here. Matt Freese, I don't know what he was thinking. Ocho, I need you to help me understand what he was thinking on this situation. Belgium got the final goal in the third minute of the stoppage time. Ocho, 4-1, and this is what I said.

48:46Shannon Sharpe:And I say this, and I believe this in sports. When you get beat really bad, they do you a favor. Because we have started to think that we were really close. Joe, we're not close. Not even close. We're not close. So Belgium did us a favor to let us know, guys, we had our hopes way, way too high. Way too high. And I got involved, and I still, hey, I'm waiting on my damn battle gun jersey to come in. But we're not there. We're not there.

49:17Joe Johnson:Hey, Unc and Joe, we got outclassed. When I say outclassed, we got outclassed in every sense of the word. The gap, and I think one people, obviously, I have my soccer people there in the chat that are probably watching. the gap between the top soccer nation and the U.S. is so far apart. They're technically better. I think they're a little bit more skilled. And it showed the mistakes that some of the U.S. players were making where they couldn't even make simple passes. And, Joe, simple passes right there in front of you. What about clear? What about clear the ball? They make a little league mistake, Uncle Joe.

49:54Joe Johnson:Little league, the basic fundamentals that you learn when you're four, five years old that you supposed to master by the time you get to you know on the world stage

50:03Shannon Sharpe:that level it was bad man oh joe i i agree with you it's definitely levels to this and we just not on that damn level okay ocho and listen when i'm looking at it man we can't win no one-on-ones hell we barely can even get lateral passes i'm like damn it's like we playing more backwards then forward. You feel what I'm saying? So when I'm watching, I'm like, damn, man, we can't get no rhythm, bro. And look, you're right. Y 'all right. Belgium saved us ass from Spain here. We were going to play Spain. Spain about to beat us 8-0. Man, please.

50:38Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe, you want to know why they were going backwards? And I'm going to use basketball analogy. Let's say the Knicks are playing, right? You pass the ball to Jalen Brunson, and they pick you up 94 feet. You know what I'm trying to say? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they high-pressing the whole time, and we're not comfortable playing out the goddamn back. Not only are we not comfortable playing out the goddamn back, they messing up the passes so everybody looks sloppy. The USA team for the first time, and you know it's my fault too because I was praising them every week we came on here because they look so good in every game they played.

51:12Joe Johnson:What's the first thing I said? I've never seen the USA team look so comfortable on the ball. I've never seen our players play like this with that kind of confidence. They move the ball really well. All of a sudden, we play a real team. Goddamn, we go right back to you.

51:27Shannon Sharpe:Listen, them last two goals, they just disgust me. I mean, I'm like, come on. Man, you can't let nobody come knock on your door, on your front porch. Hey, man, come in here and catch this fade, homie. You don't do nothing. Come on, bro. Nah, he open the door and slap you. You for real? Oh, you want to fight? What do you mean do I want to fight? That's what I'm saying. I mean, bro, look. Pulisic, you owe the U.S. team, bro. You owe the U.S. team. You think he was hurt? That what you put on tape? You think he was hurt? This World Cup? You think he was hurt, huh? Sit down. Because all I saw was Pulisic on the back.

52:11Shannon Sharpe:I don't know what he was. But he didn't play with. They couldn't clear the ball. They couldn't control no damn ball. Bro. and then they look at it like oh oh my goodness

52:24Joe Johnson:I think until a lot of people and what I don't like a lot of people I hear a lot of people keep saying this in this discourse in this dialogue on Twitter and on Instagram if our best athletes played soccer and they started mentioning all the NBA players all the NFL players that really the infrastructure in which we have here if all our best athletes did play and trained here in the United States we'd still be levels behind we'll still be levels behind even if we started from 4 or 5 years old because we don't have the infrastructure and the academies that they do

53:03Shannon Sharpe:you'd have to divert money that you put towards football towards basketball you'd have to divert that to soccer like they do they don't have all of that No. How many Argentinian baseball players they got? How many Belgian baseball players they got? How many Swiss baseball players they got?

53:20Joe Johnson:Yeah. Everybody keeps saying, oh, we're so fast. We're so tall. We're the fastest. Man, please. And people don't understand. It had nothing. Speed is an asset. Being fast, that's a good thing in soccer. But everybody ain't fast. Yeah. The technical ability to be able to play with the ball at your feet is more important. and your IQ and understanding of the game, being able to see the field, being able to pass, is much more important than just being fast. That's just half the damn battle.

53:52Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. We see a lot. Also, if that's the case, all the fastest men, the fastest 100-meter men, why ain't they on the football field if that's all it would require? We've seen a lot of guys come out there and try that, that ran track, and they take their ass right back to the track. Yeah, people don't. Hey, go back and look when Ronaldo Neil Meyer, he ran that shallow cross, and he didn't know it was man of zone. And he was looking at Joe, and Joe said, oh, you looking at me? Well, you telling me it's man? Look at it.

54:31Shannon Sharpe:John Capel tried it. Jeff Demps tried it. It's not a whole lot of guys. You need to be able to, speed is great to have, but if you can't control it, it ain't going to do you no good. It's different. It's different. But like you said, Ocho, that's not, I mean, guys like, they grew up, soccer has always been their big thing in those countries. Just like basketball and football and baseball has been our big thing here. Yeah. Now, you see, all of a sudden, some of these guys, you look at Serbia, You see they get basketball. Because they put more emphasis on it since, how long? Since the Dream Team in 92, they're like, oh, I can probably do that.

55:17Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay. I can do that. You look at Giannis, you're like, hold on, I can do that. You know, they ain't a whole lot of what that physicality to come with that football field. Yeah. That's a whole different animal, they'll die Hey Hey They don't care how fast you are, boy, look here Eventually, they'll hem you up Yes, sir They'll run you into something Man, Belgium beat the brakes off us Man, I'm so disappointed, me and my sister Man, my sister couldn't even holler talk See, that was embarrassing You know how I knew

56:00Joe Johnson:and I didn't get a chance to share this because I can't write it. I didn't want to write it on Twitter and have that long ass speech. But I hear a lot of people saying, oh, our best players, if they played soccer, we dominate the World Cup. And I just made one statement and told them, probably not. Probably not. Even if there's no guarantee, even if we did start from four or five years old, that it would still translate. Think about how many Brazilians there are, right? How many Brazilians play soccer in general? but every few years there's only one. There's only one Neymar. There's only one Ronaldinho.

56:35Joe Johnson:There's only one Ronaldo. So of all the Brazilians that have been playing with that infrastructure and ecosystem that they have out there playing with flair and sort of like street ball still not that mean they've come along. Not that mean they've come along.

56:51Shannon Sharpe:But that's all they got though Ocho. They ain't playing basketball. They're not playing baseball. They're not playing football. They're not playing. They're not a lot of... So, I mean, that's... I mean, think about it. When you... If you said, okay, you can only play baseball and there are a smattering of guys that play football or a smattering of guys that play basketball, well, you will get a lot of... Like the Dominicans. Like the Venezuelans. Like the Caraco. Yeah, Curacao. Yeah, Curacao. I think Andrew Jones from Curacao. So, yes. So, yes. But when you got millions of guys playing football, millions of guys playing basketball, millions of guys playing baseball.

57:33Shannon Sharpe:Man, what you think you're going to get? You're going to get a dabbling of this, a dabbling of that, a dabbling of this, as opposed to all your focus is on this. The Brazilians, their infrastructure is what? Soccer.

57:48Joe Johnson:Hey, you have some that are good, then you have great ones. So just because we all play doesn't mean we all going to be great because we're great at football or great at basketball it might not translate it's completely different you know you know it was eye-opening to me and john i'm gonna share this real quick and for people in the chat what's that i mean i'm sure those that follow me on twitter have always seen the pictures that i i send or i post with with messi and cristiano over the years back when messi was at barcelona when he first debuted when when ronald when ronaldino and samuel eto were there and obviously there's pictures of me and jose murino who's now the head coach back at he's back at real madrid for a second stint right i think i forgot what year i think it was 2000 2007 2007 i can't remember what year it was i went down to real madrid in the off season but damn you just said 2007

58:41Shannon Sharpe:you just said i'm trying to remember the year when mario was there

58:46Joe Johnson:2007 is a year okay hey come on i'm trying to make sure it's the right year but anyway to make them to make a long story short uh mario was there i went to i went to see uh cristiano in in the team and i asked if i could practice with them because it was a they didn't play till they didn't play till saturday and i got there on a thursday so they let me put on the orange reserve jersey yeah i was part of the reserves now they don't play big field they play the smaller fields my football season just ended up so i'm like i'm in shape you know i'm fresh so you feel good in my mind my ego yeah being kind of arrogant and cocky man i'm and to fly about all these dudes.

59:25Joe Johnson:And my skill and technique wasn't as good, but I just knew because I'm fast as hell, I'd be able to get by. Joe, they embarrassed me for about 30 minutes straight. I mean, I'm not trying to be funny. That's why when I'm hearing the discourse about our best athletes, I'm still in my prime. I'm in my prime and I'm playing with the reserves and it's a small field. So it's a shorter distance for me to be running. I should be able to do it. they made me look stupid. I was out there like a chicken with my head cut off trying to catch the ball. I couldn't even see the ball at that level. Dog, everything is precise, on point, on price.

1:00:05Joe Johnson:And nobody made mistakes. And dude, it was embarrassing for me. It was humbling. But I also understood there's levels. Now this is Real Madrid. I mean, obviously. I mean, we talk about one of the best clubs, if not the best club in the world, especially during that time. It was eye-opening.

1:00:25Shannon Sharpe:there's levels to pros. I don't know how many people have ever seen a tennis match, but go watch a tennis match. Up close. Yes. I did an exhibition in Baltimore, Pete Sanfres and Andre Agassi, and to watch Sanfres hit that ball. Now, Sanfres was a huge server. Now, you know, now we had those big guys, and back then everybody served in Bali. Yeah. You hit the ball, run to the net. It was these quick points. Now everybody play baseline to baseline. You know, that was before John Isner and Karlovic, and, you know, we had even Nisavich, and we had some crotchette. We had some big service. But now the guys, they can serve, but they play baseline.

1:01:06Shannon Sharpe:Everybody stand back and wait for you to make a mistake. These guys, you know, when you had Stephon Edberg, and you had those Boris Becker, you had guys like they hit the ball, and they go to the net crowd and make you make a great pass. But when you see people that they do this for a living, it gives you an appreciation. You're like, I be damned. When you watch a pro hit a golf ball, that ball is different than when somebody, you know, oh, yeah, I go down there, me and my buddies play on the weekend. It is different. You go to an NBA game and you watch the guy talk about, man, that guy a bum.

1:01:45Shannon Sharpe:He'll never get in the game and watch him shoot it. Never miss. man I told you I watched Chet Chet hit like 17 threes in a row from one spot you watch these guys I'm talking about pros and you look at him like bro how you not in the game and then that just goes to show you the guy that is in the game just how good he is because these guys are really good but when you see Djokovic and you see Nadal and you see Federer you see all these guys now you got Senan Alcaraz You see all these guys, you're like, well, damn. You really, really get an appreciation to watch a pro, watch them at their craft.

1:02:29Shannon Sharpe:Man, I watched Serena Williams. I saw Serena Williams and the semifinals. That's when the semifinals used to be played at night. And she was playing, she married David Lee. What's her name? She's Danish. Man, Serena Williams was hitting the ball. It sounded like somebody hitting the bass drum.

1:02:55Shannon Sharpe:Wozniacki, that's who, yes, the great Dane. Man, I said, oh my goodness. I mean, she was, hey, the serve, and then she was cranking that forehand. Hey, girl, got some power, don't you, man? I feel, I bet I feel bad. I ain't gonna lie to you, I feel bad. She got some power, don't you, man? What? Yeah. Look, I saw Serena when she was physically at her peak. Yeah. Lord, the caps on her shoulders, her arms, her legs. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Man. It's different. And, hey, Joe, hey, it's so funny. You really get an appreciation, Ocho. So I can understand what you said to be there and to see them. And even though those guys weren't Messi or Ronaldo or Mbappe or those guys, but just the reserves.

1:03:45Shannon Sharpe:No, I was with the reserves. I was going against Cristiano.

1:03:52Joe Johnson:They had me looking stupid. It had me looking stupid and I'm thinking, I'm just coming off the season. I didn't have no injuries, no Knicks, no Knacks. Man, I'm finna go out here and act a fool. Man, I come out the field, Mordeno laughing at me.

1:04:09Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Now you know how people feel when they're standing on the sidelines and they see us going to man, my homeboy's like, God, homeboy, y 'all moving. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And them legs hurt. Because you're running fast and they're running fast into your head. Oh, man. Yeah. That's why I appreciate the greatness to play a sport and to be at that level, Joe. That level that you're at, Joe. ain't a whole lot of players. I mean, they're 5 ,000. They ain't 5 ,000 players been better than Joe Johnson. Hello, say it again. They might not have been 500 players out of the 5 ,000. Hello. Like we say. Hello.

1:04:54Shannon Sharpe:Hey, hey, hey, hey. They do that damn top 100 because they got top 75 right now. Yeah. They going to have to take it up, Ocho. Come on, man. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. All right, now. Take your time, huh? All right, now. All right, now.

1:05:09Joe Johnson:I hear you.

1:05:11Shannon Sharpe:A lot of people get, hey, they're like, who's an underrated scorer? You know, T-Mac and Melo and Garnett. They say Joe Johnson. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, that's the biggest compliment you can get from your peers, bro. I can't wait till we play. You know, guys who you done battled with, guys who you done battled against. I mean, come on, man. What you say, Ocho? What you just said? Ocho Kirby? I thought I heard you say something, but I wasn't, you know. All right. What? What you? Yeah, yeah.

1:05:43Joe Johnson:Hey, baby, I'm finna whoop your ass, boy.

1:05:46Shannon Sharpe:Hey, you gotta chill home, boy.

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