Nightcap Hour 1: Bad Bunny BREAKS Super Bowl HALFTIME RECORD + Jay Glazer says Max Crosby is DONE with Raiders + Seahawks Uchenna Nwosu JOINS Nightcap + Vikings LOOKING for a VETERAN QB

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19:03Shannon Sharpe:I'm feeling good. I got to tell you how to treat me, how to talk to me. Nah, I'm good. Last week, Jay Glazer made it clear that Max Crosby is done with the Raiders. Now, Jason Lakenford reports that an unnamed general manager claims that Crosby has directly communicated his wishes to minority owner Tom Brady. He told Tom Brady he will never play for the Raiders again, the unnamed GM said. That's a fact. He told him he'll retire before he ever plays for them again. But I'm not sure they're actually going to trade him. Miles Garrett said the same thing last year, and we know how that ended up. Ocho, how do you see this situation unfolding?

19:44Jay Glazer:Oh, man, understanding what Matt Crosby means to the Las Vegas Raiders, I'm not sure if things can be rectified at this point. Most of the time when a player gets to this point like this where he feels, I really can't do it anymore, there might be some things going on behind the scenes internally that we don't know about, especially for Matt Crosby to get to the point to where he is now, to even let someone outside that building know that I will never play here again, especially if those words have been echoed to that of the greatest of all time, Tom Brady. He's not really playing, especially someone like Max Crosby, who wants an opportunity to win.

20:17Jay Glazer:And understanding that being at the Las Vegas Raiders, he's not going to have an opportunity to win. Hoping for a move similar to that of Dexter Lawrence in general, where he can go to a contender and hope that things turn out or pan out the way they should, where he can contribute on his side of the ball on defense. He can be an asset to so many different teams that are a piece or two away from actually contending and have a chance of reaching that end goal out there in LA.

20:41Shannon Sharpe:Well, the difference is that D. Long was an unrestricted free agent, so he chose where he wanted to go. Max Crosby, unfortunately, is under contract for another three, four years. I'm not sure how long Chad's contract is for, but he's not in that situation. And so probably we're going to want to get him out. If they are to trade him, the conversation that they're having, Ocho, is that we want to get him out of the AFC, and we want to get the most bang for our buck. Now, who's going to give us the most compensation? Now, I understand that sometimes when you have a relationship, a good relationship with a team, they'll work to send you to a place, maybe to your heart desire.

21:22Shannon Sharpe:But I'm not so sure that's going to be the case in this situation. He's one of your better players. I work with Jason at CBS also. If that's true, and Jay Glazer came on our show last week We can say Max was done with the Raiders. Two guys I know pretty well. I know Jason a little better because I worked with him for a number of years. If that's the case, the likelihood of them working with him to send him to his ideal setting probably not going to happen, Ocho. But I do see a scenario. They're going to trade him. They're going to put him in the NFC because I ain't really trying to see this man in the AFC and I damn sure not going to trade him within my division.

22:04Shannon Sharpe:That's an absolute no-no. Even though some teams, you know, Kansas City would be more than glad to trade compensation to get him. But I don't see that happening. With that being said, Ocho, because he doesn't have, he's not unrestricted, and he doesn't have a choice in the matter of where he goes, it's just hard. He signed a three-year$160 million contract extension in March of 25. so he got some years on that contract Ocho so I don't

22:40Jay Glazer:he does but you have to understand his value you have to understand his value especially with Kubiak coming over and understanding that there are so many pieces so many missing holes so many questions that need answered on that Las Vegas Raiders team that I don't think he will have a problem understanding the value that is Matt Crosby and allowing him to go elsewhere even if it's to an AFC team What pieces can I get for someone who is as valuable as him at the position and being able to continue to build for the future? If I couldn't win with you, then I have no problem winning without you. And I'll get as much as I can.

23:15Jay Glazer:I'll lose with you.

23:16Shannon Sharpe:I can lose without you. I get what you're saying. But I think the thing is, normally, teams that are most equipped to give up the most are teams, you know, and he doesn't want to go from a losing team to a losing situation. but I believe the Philadelphia Eagles will have something on the table.

23:36Jay Glazer:The Chicago Bears

23:37Shannon Sharpe:will put something on the table. I don't know considering that they just gave Aiden Hutchinson that deal. Jack Campbell, I don't know if they got Jack Campbell done last offseason or they're going to get him done this offseason. They got money tied up in Joseph. Oh, Jameer Gibbs is due a contract. Oh yeah. You took care of Amon Ra, you took care of Panay Suu, You took care of Jerry Goff. You took care of J-Mo. You took care of J-Mo. So, yeah. J-Mo, yeah. But I think me, I think the Bears, I think Philly would have no problem giving him a first and a third and maybe a third next year because he's that good.

24:18Shannon Sharpe:He's a game-altering player, and they don't come around very often. And I promise you there's no one in the draft that's as good as Matt's Crosby and I don't know who they have I don't know how high who's rated where on the defensive side of football but I guarantee you there's not a guy coming out in the draft that's better than Max Crosby will be next year in 26.

24:39Jay Glazer:Not not even close coming out of the draft I mean um please I mean no disrespect to those coming out of the draft but there was nothing like Max Crosby based on the resume that he's you know done so far in LA can you imagine Max Crosby with a star on his

24:55Shannon Sharpe:helmet no i mean with him i mean come on man he's a game changer i mean he changes he he's gonna alter wherever defense he goes and the more talent you have around him the better he's gonna be you put him in philly yep you put him in in chicago or you put him on the dallas um uh the rape could the ravens put a package together oh not now we talking because it's They need a game changer. And they haven't had a game changer in a while.

25:28Jay Glazer:Hey, listen, I know you haven't said it, and one thing we haven't had either over there in the 5-1-3, over there in Cincinnati, right across, right over the river, we haven't had a game changer. Do I see them having the money to be able to take care of Matt Crosby, understanding how much we need on the defensive end as well? We need some pieces at one level. I mean, either we're going to get one at the first level or the third level, or maybe at the second level and the first level. We need two impact players that can make a difference over there on our team as well. Now that the season is done and you kind of look at each team and you can see what teams need going forward, especially those that already have a quarterback in place, to actually give you a chance, most of the time those answers are going to be impact players on defense, mostly the offensive line if you already have a quarterback, or impact receiver.

26:19Jay Glazer:Yeah.

26:21Shannon Sharpe:Buffalo. Can Buffalo put a package together? That's not fair. Because I think the thing, Ochoa, at the end of the day, he wants to win. So who's close to winning? Who has a quarterback, the situation at quarterback, is stable enough that's conducive that gives him a chance to win 26, 27, 28 until his contract's up? You look at Philly. Obviously, they just won the Super Bowl last year, so they're equipped. You look at Chicago. Chicago got to the division around this. They're a young, up-and-coming team. I think they're a piece of weight defensively. You mentioned the Cowboys. Buffalo, quarterback situation.

26:59Shannon Sharpe:Cincinnati, quarterback situation. Baltimore, quarterback situation. So I think there are some places that have a quarterback in place, have a team that he's going to instantaneously make that defense better. So just imagine what a team can play with a lead. So that's what was so impressive about Miles Garrett. There are very few times that his team had to lead. He got 23 sacks, and 85 % of the time, they were down. And he put up numbers like that. They're losing by double digits, and he's still getting three, four, five sacks in a game. So imagine if they're in a situation where they play with a lead, and he can just go hunt the quarterback.

27:42Jay Glazer:Just go, yeah. Yeah, that'd be amazing.

27:45Shannon Sharpe:But definitely Max Crosby is going to make some – if they trade him, and we're speaking hypothetically because we've heard two insiders say that Max Crosby is not going to be playing for the Ravers. We hear Jason Luckin for him, say that he's talked to a general manager and that he's relayed this message to minority owner Tom Brady. I'm done with y 'all. He didn't take kindly to being benched. Like, I've been playing with this banged-up knee all year. Now, all of a sudden, y 'all want me to sit out? Yeah. Don't worry about it. I can think of something, too. I'll sit out from y 'all for the next 10 years.

28:16Jay Glazer:Yeah, I can think of something, too. And obviously, them benching him might be a sign. It might be a sign to him. Listen, we don't want you to get hurt. We want you to sit down. We want you to heal up to make sure that trade value, we're going to give you what you want. You requested it. We're going to give you what you want. We want you to stay out. We don't want you to get yourself hurt because we want to get as much as we can back for you. Jacksonville. Don't worry about it. Yeah. Ooh, that's a good one. That's a good one. Especially with the way they're playing now. They get that Ferrari coming out the garage after being down for a little bit with Trevor Lawrence playing really, really good, really good football right now.

28:57Jay Glazer:I like that. I like that, especially on that defense. That's a good one.

29:03Shannon Sharpe:And so he's going to be looking to go. Like I said, he's probably going to go to one of the teams that we mentioned. the question is who's just going to give us the most compensation. Because that's what they need. They need draft picks. They need draft capital. They need to build this team. You look at Seattle, how they built their team. A lot of drafted players. Yeah, you got to go get a Leonard Williams. Yeah, you got to get a D-Law to come over in free agency. But you drafted Spoon. You drafted Wolin. Yeah, Julian Love came over in free agency. You get lucky. You got really, really lucky with Sam Darnold.

29:37Shannon Sharpe:because normally guys that win 14 games, the other team is not letting them go. They're just not. You drafted a JSC. You look at the offensive line that they have. They drafted a K-9. So sometimes you got to be a little lucky, but I think the thing is that there are seven or eight teams out there that does have the draft capital to, I think, to appease the Raiders, and I think it appease Max Crosby as well because I mean, selfishness of me, I do like when great players get an opportunity to compete and see them on the highest level. Just like basketball players. I mean, you want to see a LeBron, you want to see KD, you want to see Steph compete on the highest level, not be mired in mediocrity.

30:29Jay Glazer:Or being too loyal to stay at one place for a very long time.

30:32Shannon Sharpe:Well, that was Kevin Garnett. He was loyal to the soul until he realized, man, I ain't winning nothing. Dame, I think that happened to Dame. Dame, yeah, yeah. Staying in Portland, you know, a little too long. So, I think the Raiders, look, they got the number one pick in the draft, though, Joe. Many believe they're going to go for a quarterback. They believe it's going to be Mendoza. It's hard to argue that. Like I said, they're not a handful, but a handful of quarterbacks that's, You know, I think that a game changes, but we'll see.

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33:22Shannon Sharpe:We got a very, very special guest joining us. He had a pig six, took it to the house. Ochenawa Nwosu did I get it right you got it right I been trying to say this thing all day cause I was like hold on I wasn't at the end in silent did I have to go back and listen to the TV copy when Mike Tirico on the call but he said the first name so damn fast I was like well damn I get the Nwosu but what's the first name so Ochenawa Nwosu so

33:57Jay Glazer:you won before you won before so i need to take this moment so i can get a better a better understanding of what it feels like well chenna you finally won a super bowl unk you won multiple super bowls so you know what that feeling is already like for you need to let me live vicariously through you and give me an explanation we all come from different backgrounds we all got to our end goal in different ways what does it finally feel like to understand all the work you put in whenever you started playing football you reach the promised land the plateau the highest of them all the biggest game and you finally win one let tell me what that feels like as if i'm a little kid because i done played 12 13 some years but i've never ever had the opportunity to have that feeling that you haven't right now so just just give it to me rolling up my bad oh yeah yeah my bad

34:46Shannon Sharpe:Just, hey, hey, we gonna rewind that. We gonna rewind that. And then we gonna play a game. I got it, I got it.

34:53Jay Glazer:My bad, my bad. Give it to me and - Give it to him straight. Straight, yeah, there you go.

34:59Chad Johnson:That's a good one, my bad. Well, to be honest with you, man, like, honestly, I'm not feeling how I thought I was gonna feel if I'm being honest with you. Real? Yeah, it's like, I don't know, the coaches have us wired in a way to where like, every game is just like another game. So when we're out there and play, that's truly how it felt. It was just another game to us. We expect to win. We expect to go into every match. We're going to dominate these guys. It was all said and done. It's like, okay, what's next? We've got another game. That's just how it felt. But I'm sure once I see that ring, I'm feeling a little different.

35:36Chad Johnson:But right now, I don't know. I just don't feel like how I thought I would feel. I don't know. It's crazy.

35:40Shannon Sharpe:That's funny. I mean, you're not the first guy that I've heard say that, but I think the thing for me is that everything as an individual, like, okay, I want to make the Pro Bowl. Oh, I want to lead the team. I want to lead the league. I want to be an all-pro. That's an individual goal. But only one team. You know, there are four guys that make the Pro Bowl for wide receiver. There are three defensive linemen that make the Pro Bowl as a D lineman. But there can only be one Super Bowl champ. That means for the year, you get the basket all the glory. And you mentioned you said something very interesting.

36:13Shannon Sharpe:You're like, the coach has us wired that we take one game at a time, and you're like, okay, what's next? But this was the culmination. So going into the week, you're like, okay, you're watching them on tape because the difference is like, you know, you play a regular season game, you watch four games. You watch the last four games this team played. But when you watch this team, you watch everything. You go back from week one, you go to the playoffs, they sprinkled a little preseason in there. And so you guys were locked in from the jump. I mean, I'm going to throw that last quarter out because y 'all was like, okay, let's not get reckless and do anything like that.

36:49Shannon Sharpe:And they got some of the cheap yardage. He threw for the most yards in a single quarter. And anybody in the history of the game, and the game was a blowout. So how were you guys so able to get locked in and just basically have a bead on everything they were doing?

37:03Chad Johnson:Man, shout out to Coach Mike, man. man, he's like a nerd when it comes to this football stuff, man. He's in the lab, man. He's studying hard. He's making sure we're in the right, you know, the right cause. He's preparing. He's got assistant coaches, you know, making sure we know what's going on. We're on the game plan. We're studying every day. We're watching film. We have about two, three, four meetings a day. We're just so locked in. We're just communicating. We're talking. And just overall, just the whole team is just buying into what was going on. And we realized what was at stake. It was the Super Bowl.

37:30Chad Johnson:So everybody was just locked in, man. We just had one mission and one goal. We accomplished it.

37:35Jay Glazer:Yeah. With that goal to accomplish, did you expect to dominate the game the way you dominated it? Defensively. Because defensively, you guys won that game. Obviously, offensively, Kenneth Walker keeping that balance where you need to throw you through. But because you ran the ball so well, simply, you were able to control most of the game. Defensively, you watch. Obviously, you're going in. You watch film. You see how the Patriots look. You see how they look in the playoffs. You see how they look in the regular season. And you take bits and pieces of what you're going to get based on their tendencies.

38:02Jay Glazer:dude bro you dominate the whole game to the point where some people are saying the game was a snooze fest not understanding no this is this is a defensive game the defense is our control of the

38:11Chad Johnson:game yeah they got a great defense over there they got a lot of players over there um their their db number zero he was playing phenomenal yeah milton williams they made plays number 33 jennings he made plays um they was just making plays um but we knew we kind of knew going into this week that you know we wanted to show that we was going to be the best defense in the world which we did, and we had our mindset made up that we're not going to let these guys come out here and do what they did to all these other teams. We know we get after Drake May. We killed their injury, which is him. They got nothing left, and we made sure we made that happen.

38:43Shannon Sharpe:When I look at you guys on defense, you're not that complex. Y 'all play quarters coverage. You keep the safeties back, and you say, you're not running the football, and so we won't have to drop a safety down. Because when I look, yeah, you showed something now. Y 'all brought a lot of slop. Listen, Spoon, you normally see Spoon in coverage. Y 'all saw something on tape because y 'all brought Spoon a little bit more than I'm used to seeing him. Now, normally, that's a worry. He normally comes on. But this time, he was back and Spoon was coming. What did y 'all see? Like, you know what? We can catch him with the slot.

39:20Chad Johnson:Yeah, you just got to split it up. You know, I'm sure they go back and they do their study. They see we bring Nick a lot with a lot of pressures. So Mike said, you know what? Guess what? We're going to bring Spoon. and Spoon's a great blitzer. He's fast. He's really fast, man. Spoon is fast, man. He can make linemen miss. He can juke. He can bend. He can just get to the quarterback in a hurry. Same thing with Nick. So Mike just saw that. He switched it up. Nick's a great blitzer, but we switched it up with Spoon and he made plays.

39:44Shannon Sharpe:He timed those blitzes perfect because when he's going – I mean, he hit it on a dead run every time. When they snapped the ball, he was on a dead run. And it's hard because, like you said, they so small, big linemen used to block guys like yourself. and so when you get a db and he doing all this right here they got no chance they got no chance

40:03Jay Glazer:so hey um hey hey one thing i want to say we'll turn it did coach without you being disrespectful to your opponents did coach most of the time you're going to a game plan going the game plan you're going to a game most of the time you want to recognize who the fish is and you draw a circle around the fish's head the fish is the weak league obviously you have five people in the offensive line, but there's always one weak link. Based on the game we saw, it was three fish. And it started from the center going all the way to the left. Was that addressed before the game started based on what you saw from their offensive line play throughout the week?

40:38Jay Glazer:Absolutely.

40:39Chad Johnson:But instead of fish, we call it tilapia. We call it tilapia. So we knew from the center all the way to their left or right, those two rookies, we got to take advantage of those guys. If they're down the road, they'll be good players, they'll develop, but going into this game, we couldn't let that slide.

40:55Shannon Sharpe:We have to get out there. And the thing when you get a push, you don't let him off the hook. And I saw because they ended up putting D-Law. D-Law normally rushes on the offensive right side, the defensive left side. They're like, D-Law said, let me get some of this, man. Y 'all over there eating it. Don't even bite me. Let me get a piece of this young fella. Yeah. When Spoon came on that blitz and you were right there because they made the mistake because Spoon got through. The guy blocked you and Spoon just closed so quick because he was getting ready to throw and you were Johnny on the spot.

41:27Shannon Sharpe:So when you see Spoon hit his arm and the ball's up in there, what's going through your mind?

41:33Chad Johnson:Man, I just was reacting. Honestly, I didn't even think. I just caught the ball and just took off running, looked left and right, hope I didn't get caught. I was good. I was out of there.

41:44Jay Glazer:Yeah. I mean, you got to play. Did it feel like he was running it? I was going to say, did it feel like you was running in slow motion, like you're running in quicksand, even though nobody was around you?

41:54Chad Johnson:Yeah, it's weird, because that was my first time being in that position, catching up. You were receiving, you got to do it all the time. But me, I'm like, oh, okay, this is how it is. Let me just go ahead and not fall, run out of bounds, let me not do something. You ain't have no celebration set up.

42:09Shannon Sharpe:You got to have a celebration. Like, man, if I get a scooping score, I get a pick six, I get something, I got to do something. You ain't have nothing planned?

42:18Chad Johnson:Well, being from Los Angeles, I usually hit my squabble. I'm sure you guys heard that before the squabble. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Things were just moving so fast. I was like, man, let me just celebrate with my teammates because we got to go back on defense again.

42:31Shannon Sharpe:You guys, look, I was thinking like, man, they might not score. This might be a situation. So first half, nothing. I mean, basically through three quarters. And then did it dawn on you at any point in time? So you know what? Man, we might shut these guys out. Hey, guys, man, let's see if we can pitch this shutout. Yeah.

42:52Chad Johnson:That's exactly what we were saying on sidelines. Like, yo, keep that goose egg up there. Don't let them score. Don't let them score. You know, they was able to move down the field. They got that bomb to Mac Hollins, and they got that scramble pass to Stevenson coming out on the goal line area. But we tried, man. We really tried to pitch that shutout. That would have been a great accomplishment in the Super Bowl. Yeah.

43:12Shannon Sharpe:Plus, when you think about Seattle, obviously the Legion of Boom. you know you got Sherm and you got Earl Thomas and you got those guys B-Wags and you got that but you guys are establishing a Denny on your own yeah everybody's gonna remember a historic defense they will get remembered but you started something on your guys own you call you guys up what's this M-O-B? The dark side huh? The dark side

43:37Chad Johnson:yeah dark side

43:39Jay Glazer:I'm a part of that yeah that's just something

43:43Chad Johnson:that we just try to bring, you know, our own identity. Of course, we respect the Legion of Boom and what they've done, so we've kind of tried to, you know, integrate our own way of life, our own thing, MOB, which stands for Mission Over BS. It's something the team came up with, and it's something that stuck. It's like our creed. It's something that we live by, and the dark side is just something that the defense has just incorporated into something we just built on.

44:06Shannon Sharpe:I look at you guys. Get Ernest Jones. Ernest Jones was traded, like, twice in a single season. You get big Leonard Williams. Yourself, you come over from the Chargers. When you look at this team and how you guys, D-Law came over in free agency, and you look at how this team is constructed, you guys are built. You guys are built. Now, that doesn't guarantee you because, you know, every year is different because we said the same thing about the Eagles, that the Eagles are going to be back and, boy, look at them. It's going to be different because everybody's going to break you guys down and it's like, okay, look, They like to keep them safeties back.

44:41Shannon Sharpe:We've got to run the football. So it's going to be a different year. But the guys, the way you're constructed, you guys are built to last. You've got a young football team. You've got a hungry coach. And I think you've got a group of hungry young men. What's your mindset going into the offseason? Because I'm sure you need some time away. It's been a grind for five months, six months. It's been a grind. You want to get away from it. But when will you start getting back into it? And when will you start like, okay, start getting into the group chat, start talking to guys, okay. What's the plan for next season?

45:12Chad Johnson:Yeah, like you said, you definitely want to get away. It's been a long season. This is my first time playing this long. Everybody's first time really playing this long, except for a couple guys, Coop and EJ. But definitely relax, get our bodies right. And it starts with OTAs, because that's where it started for us last year. You know, we made up that identity that we want to start in OTAs and build who we are, start that brotherhood, that creed, that togetherness, that camaraderie that we build. All starts in OTAs, off-season workouts, everybody showing up, being there for each other. And that's where we start to build this thing for next year.

45:46Shannon Sharpe:He had an unbelievable game. Zach, pick, took it to the house, got so excited. He got a celebration. The world champion Seattle Seahawks for Chino Nwosu. Enjoy it. That ring is going to be something crazy because it seems like every year the goal is to top it from the previous year. You saw when the Eagles look back. I'm sure Jason of Beverly Hills is on speed dial because I know the thing. Hey, y 'all ring might be this size, right? It might be. I don't know if you're going to be able to lift your hand to hold that big old piece of rock.

46:22Chad Johnson:I got a question though. Yeah. Yellow gold or white diamonds? White. White. White. It's clean. It's something about that white.

46:31Shannon Sharpe:It's something about that white gold, man. Okay.

46:34Chad Johnson:We was deciding that as the leaders on the team what we should go with, but I'm going to go by y 'all.

46:38Jay Glazer:Yeah, that white going to be beautiful. Listen, I never won a ring as someone that's somewhat of a jewelry connoisseur. It's going to stand out.

46:49Shannon Sharpe:Well, congratulations, man. Enjoy. If you get an opportunity, well, you guys are probably always, you guys are back in Seattle, not right?

46:58Chad Johnson:Yeah, I got back this morning.

46:59Shannon Sharpe:Did you have an exit today or is it tomorrow?

47:03Chad Johnson:Okay.

47:03Shannon Sharpe:All right. If you get an opportunity to see EJ, tell him to come back and join us because he told us he'd win the bowl. He's going to come back. So we expect him to come back.

47:11Chad Johnson:For sure. I'll let him know. I appreciate it, man. Congratulations.

47:14Shannon Sharpe:Great job. Great season. Continued success, my brother. Thanks, fellas. Appreciate you.

47:21Jay Glazer:You know what I think a lot of people don't realize is you look at some of the sports figures that we've had on the show or some of the people that we have on the show in general, you understand do you see if you do your homework, chat is he the luck and the success that everyone has come on the show has had in their respective crafts and what i'm not saying it's because they came on nightcap i'm just saying maybe it's some type of coincidence and i'm not a conspiracy theorist but everyone that comes in the show has some type of success and whatever it is that they're doing in life and i just find that like

47:55Shannon Sharpe:you know i think everybody came on i think the team at least made the playoffs yeah yeah except Except Kansas City. Thornton came on and didn't make the playoffs. But you look at Jalen Johnson and the, what do you call them? They made the playoffs, the Bears. Leonard Williams came on. EJ came on. The guy that plays opposite of Burrs for the Rams, he came on. So, yeah, you come on. No guarantee, but there's a great probability in all likelihood.

48:25Jay Glazer:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

48:26Shannon Sharpe:Oh, so the Vikings are expected to add a veteran quarterback to the roster, and rumors are first cousins, Kirk Cousins, could be back in Minnesota. The Falcons are expected to cut Cousins before the new league year begins in March. Ocho, do you want to see Cousins back in Minnesota?

48:43Jay Glazer:I think it would be dope. I think it would be great for Justin Jefferson. Obviously, I had an appearance with Justin Jefferson with Lowe's in San Francisco before I got home, and the news had already broke. The rumors had already broke across the ticker on ESPN. about them, the Falcons, releasing Kirk Cousins at some point. And I asked J.J., you know, how would you feel about that? Listen, the more people in the quarterback room, the merrier. You know, having that veteran presence would be good. Man, he's going to be J.J.

49:14Shannon Sharpe:McCarthy out.

49:16Jay Glazer:I mean, obviously I know that because we know what Justin Jefferson was able to do with Kirk Cousins. We know Kirk Cousins at the helm, at that quarterback position, who already knows that offense. You know what the number is going to look like during the regular season. You know what they're going to look like. He might feel alive on the pro season,

49:32Shannon Sharpe:but J.J. going to have 115 catches, 16, 1700.

49:36Jay Glazer:Like 1 ,600, yeah, yeah, yeah, most definitely. So with him, with J.J. understanding that and really being PC with his answer to me, he was cheering for both quarterbacks, and if Kirk Cousins has the opportunity to come back, listen, more quarterbacks in the quarterback room, the better for us as a team collectively. But, I mean, I think it's cool. I think it makes the most sense. It's an offense that Kirk is familiar with. You saying he might beat J.J. McCarthy out. Let's say he doesn't beat J.J. McCarthy out. It's a good veteran presence to have in that locker room. And if J.J. starts playing bad, they won't have any problem.

50:13Jay Glazer:They won't have any issues, you know, making that switch and making that change at any point. If they feel they have an opportunity to contend.

50:22Shannon Sharpe:I believe that's one of the reasons they moved on from Darnold. They knew Darnold would beat him out. Ocho if I bring a veteran in Ocho if I bring a veteran in I got to bring one that can't win the job yeah if I bring a veteran in Ocho and he good I didn't Ocho I didn't like this signing from Atlanta from day one you didn't? no and I said it I said Ocho they need a security blanket I'm saying for Atlanta Oh, what they had to sign him for coming off that injury. I said, the best you could possibly hope for. You hoping that the man gives you two years, but what if he only gives you one? And then you go draft a quarterback that high, you drafted a quarterback that already had multiple injuries.

51:16Shannon Sharpe:It didn't make a whole lot of sense. And Matt Ryan, he was noncommittal to Penix Jr. Like, you know, hey, we know I see him up there all the time. I'm in the building often, and I know he's working hard. That wasn't no commitment. I didn't know yet he's our quarterback.

51:37Jay Glazer:But you also have to understand, Matt Ryan knows what you need. Matt Ryan knows what you need. He's an evaluator of talent. He knows what it's supposed to look like, and he knows what you need to get over the hump. Obviously not winning a Super Bowl, but going 2-1. What do you have to do? A 23 lead. All they had to do was run the football Run the ball Yeah that wasn't his fault There wasn't much he could do in that situation He wouldn't call the plays

52:02Shannon Sharpe:If I got a 28-3 lead There is no way in hell The team that has three Have more rush attempts In the second half than me Let that sink in The team that's losing 28-3 Got more rush attempts than the team winning 28-3 Make it make sense That's crazy But I tell you what, who didn't make that mistake? Clint Kubiak can't make that mistake, Diddy. I don't give a damn. Hey, I understand. Hey, K-9, I'm sorry you lost three yards, but we're going to hand it to you again.

52:34Jay Glazer:And get that three back in.

52:35Shannon Sharpe:Exactly. Because that's time. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. Because you throw it incomplete, it stops the clock. Yeah. If I run the ball, if I get one first down, Ocho, I'm going to take damn near three minutes off the clock with one first down. don't let me get two or three and that's all they needed to do that happened many many years ago

53:03Shannon Sharpe:but yeah I definitely think the Vikings the Vikings are kicking themselves they saw Sam Darnold now that's not to say Sam Darnold would have led them I'm not saying that but Sam Darnold was better than what you had I believe you make the playoffs with Sam Darnold and now with that you take Sam Donald away from the Seahawks. Now they've got to go in a different direction. Yeah, absolutely. So not only do I build myself up, Ocho, I weaken an opponent. Because at the end of the day, isn't that what I'm trying to do? Yes, I'm trying to win. It's like I'm in court. Yes, I'm trying to make a very compelling argument from my client.

53:42Shannon Sharpe:But I'm also trying to punch holes in the prosecution or the defense. Right. So if I can do two things, I'm cool. I got it. Yeah. You don't.

53:53Jay Glazer:Mm-hmm. You know what? I think, I'm not saying they would have won the Super Bowl, but I think offensively, that defense over there in Minnesota was good enough, especially with Brian Flores calling that defense. He didn't have the Legion of Boom. He didn't have the dark side similar to that of the Seattle Seahawks and the defense they have. but the pieces that he did have, he always put them in the right place. Yeah, but they could get after the quarterback.

54:21Shannon Sharpe:No, they weren't as formidable as the Seahawks, but with a different quarterback. Now maybe they're playing more. I mean, you think about it. Sam Darnold tied for the league in interceptions. I mean, for turnovers. So imagine if they didn't have to defend as much as they had to defend. Had to, yeah. You saw them in the postseason. I think they're the first team in postseason history to go the entire postseason. a minimum of three games and not turn the ball over.

54:51Jay Glazer:Hey, and that was the issue. That's all we wanted to know, though. Can he do it? Can he keep the ball out of the other team's hand? That's my only concern. They will have an opportunity to win.

55:02Shannon Sharpe:They got it. Look, there are a handful of teams. I look at Houston, I look at Seattle, and I look at the Broncos. They had defenses that could win you a game. All I need the offense not to do is F it up. You go back and look at Houston. What did the offense do in New England? F it up. What did the offense for the Broncos do in Denver? F it up. F it up. Seattle's offense didn't munk it up for the defense, and they're the world champs for a reason. Yeah. And that's what you have. That's complimentary football. They didn't put the ball on the ground. They didn't give – they didn't give – put their defense in harm's way.

55:43Shannon Sharpe:Ocho giving them short fields. They didn't give scoopers, scores, pick sixes. And okay. Good luck driving the ball. 75, 80 yards on this defense. You might get one, but if you think you about to make a living going 12, 13 plays, taking seven, eight minutes off the clock. Okay. Let me know how to work out for you at the end of the game. Not happening. Not against that defense. No, it's not. But, uh, I can see cousins going back. Um, I don't know where he's going to live. I mean, I'm assuming he's from Michigan. He went to Michigan State, so I'm assuming he's from somewhere, Michigan, the Midwest.

56:24Shannon Sharpe:He seems more of a Minnesota, Michigan type of guy as opposed to an Atlanta type of a guy. But I understand Minnesota moving on because he tours Achilles, Ocho. I can't give you – I mean, Atlanta basically gave him$50 million coming off a notorious guy that's non-mobile that's coming off an Achilles injury.

56:49Shannon Sharpe:No.

56:51Jay Glazer:Hey, hold on. And now he's a year removed from that. Another year removed from that. So he'll be that much better.

56:58Shannon Sharpe:He's familiar. He spent, what, three, four years in that system with Kevin O 'Connell. So he knows it. You know, just unlearned, you know, the two years that he was in Atlanta, unlearned that, that won't take long. Because I remember when I went to Baltimore, having to learn a new system. When I got back to Denver, Ocho, in like two or three days, I was good. I was absolutely good. But Minnesota, they can use a veteran. You said it, use a veteran presence. But at the end of the day, J.J. McCarthy is going to have to become something, Ocho, because you gave him. Yeah, you got to. It's not like, Ocho, he got$4 million in incentives.

57:36Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, you could have tied. You could put that. Minnesota could have gave those same incentives. you could have gave him those same incentives if Sam Darnold is 33 maybe I could get Sam Darnold probably only like 26 27

57:53Jay Glazer:yeah I didn't think they didn't want to keep him out because they knew he wasn't going to beat he wasn't going to beat Sam out it wasn't going to make no sense it wasn't going to make no sense especially coming off the season he just had let's go ahead and get rid of him let's go ahead and get rid of him let J.J. McCarthy take the hand. Without somebody looking over his shoulder. You ain't going to be looking over your shoulder

58:16Shannon Sharpe:because what you call him, Sam Darnold is going to be in front of you. You look over your shoulder with something behind you, Sam's going to be in front. That man won 14 games, don't you? Because I think he went to the Pro Bowl last year. Sam's 28. So, how old is J.J. McCarthy? J.J. McCarthy probably 24.

58:41Shannon Sharpe:so we'll see how this thing plays out hey this is what the offseason for there's going to be a lot of moving and shaking Ocho I think we're going to have a season where a lot of turnover yeah JJ is 23 damn that's it you know he came out early oh that's right

59:00Jay Glazer:golly he going into his third year right

59:04Shannon Sharpe:third year

59:10Shannon Sharpe:that's crazy yeah i mean if if you don't redshirt yeah you're gonna come out at 21 22 because i didn't redshirt so i got drafted at 21 turn 22 in june if you redshirt you're gonna probably be 23 now if you redshirt and still come out or you know i'm saying sometimes you red shirt and come out as a sophomore. You know what I'm saying? So, we'll see how that plays out for them. But the Minnesota, boy, they blew that one.

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