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18:05Joe Johnson:Hey, Unc, there's one thing about it, right? That's all you had to say? Hey, listen. Ownership. Hey, Unc, this is the funny thing about it. Ownership takes full responsibility. They have to. Hey, owners can't get fired, Joe. I know. Hey, the people that own, they can't get fired.

18:21Shannon Sharpe:400, probably 400, 425 coming, Ocho, in March.

18:26Joe Johnson:What'd that mean, Unc?

18:27Shannon Sharpe:The TV contract, every NFL team's cut.

18:31Joe Johnson:Oh, yeah. Hey, so, wait. Oh, 425 million fans? How much we getting out of that?

18:38Shannon Sharpe:We don't own no team. And, Ocho, now, that's the TV cut. Now, we ain't say nothing about you selling tickets. We ain't say nothing about the local advertising. We ain't say nothing about local TV, local sponsorship. We ain't say nothing about parking, and we ain't say nothing about concession. Yeah.

18:57Joe Johnson:Oh, yeah. It add up. You ain't got to tell me twice. I understand the business side of things. I just don't like to talk about it.

19:03Shannon Sharpe:Okay. Okay, Browns general manager Andrew Barry said today that he was noncommittal on the team's starting quarterback for 2026, and that a new head coach will have a say in the decision. Barry said, we're going to do our work on the quarterback market. It's too important of a position, and it's something that has to be solidified. I can't sit here and tell you today whether the starter in 2026 is internal or external, but it's something that we're going to work through over the next several weeks, and quite honestly, the new head coach will also have a lot of input into that way. Ocho, you see what he said?

19:36Shannon Sharpe:Yes. Talk to me. He said, it's too important a position. He said, I can't sit here today and tell you an internal left corner. Oh, Andrew Barry said today that he was noncommittal on the starting quarterback for the 2026 season. Right. And the new head coach will have a say. He should have the say. He got a coach. You see what I'm saying, Ocho? You see what he did? Yeah. He going to put somebody on the head coach that maybe the head coach doesn't want. And then I'm stuck. It's like your grandma used to put that plate down for you. Man, I don't want that. Okay, do it out.

20:17Joe Johnson:But obviously, Andrew Barry, they've made mistakes when it comes to picking. How you still got a job?

20:23Shannon Sharpe:And I don't advocate anybody getting fired, Ocho. You might get fired, right. I'm just saying. you find okay Stefanski and I'm not saying Stefanski didn't deserve to go but I'm saying who hired Stefanski who brought all those players in he did so he bring all those players in he stays and gets to hire another coach

20:47Joe Johnson:okay and and that's why they feel comfortable taking responsibility for all the losing because there's nothing that's going to happen to those who own. They're going to keep recycling, coach after coach, quarterback after quarterback.

21:04Shannon Sharpe:At some point.

21:05Joe Johnson:Until they get it right.

21:06Shannon Sharpe:Let me ask you a question, though, Joe. So let me get this right. Jimmy Haslam stood before the press today and said eight wins over the last two seasons is unacceptable. Is it unacceptable for the guy that hired that coach?

21:23Shannon Sharpe:last I checked I mean you ain't get him off a hiring app

21:31Shannon Sharpe:I mean maybe it was Zip Recruiter you know you get these people copy all the emails and all these different hiring agencies I heard you looking for work where you hear that from

21:45Joe Johnson:I mean you know what the issue is all these coaches that's getting fired when coaches get fired in general. I mean, it all comes down to one common denominator. You don't have the goddamn players you need to have success. Because Sean McVay ain't going nowhere. Bill Belichick lasted 20 years. Look at all the coaches that have had long, sustaining careers. They've always been able to compete.

22:07Shannon Sharpe:Stan Kroenke, Sean McVay says, look, I understand you took this guy number one, but I can't win with him. I've gone as far as I can go with him. We need to do something. Now you tell me, what other coach is going to have an input that says, you know what, we're going to trade our number one pick. Give up first rounders. We need Matt Stafford. How many owners are going to do that, Ocho?

22:30Joe Johnson:Well, not many. But obviously, wait, hold on. This is the thing, huh? When you have someone like Matt Stafford available, you're willing to pull the trigger because you know what you're getting. You take Matt Stafford out of goddamn Detroit, right? And you put him on a team that is already ready. I'm not comparing it to Tom Brady's situation Him leaving the Patriots Or going to goddamn Tampa Bay But goddamn, it's damn so close It's damn so close Because once he got to goddamn LA What the fuck happened Oh, I'm sorry But the difference between Tampa Bay and Stafford

23:03Shannon Sharpe:Tampa Bay got him for free It's like you Man Remember John Elway said Peyton Manning called him I told the other teams I'm not coming there I'm coming to you. Okay, I guess we got Payton Tom Brady said hey I'm coming, hey Todd Light, I'm coming to Tampa

23:25Joe Johnson:Hey, Super Bowl ready They was already built, they was already polished You traded number one overall pick and give up

23:30Shannon Sharpe:two first rounders A lot of people like What if you start thinking, what if this doesn't work We got to give up our first rounder next year and we got to give up other I don't know about that And we got to pay it Yeah Critics and audiences agree. What the hell is this place? Only three letters describe they will kill you. W. T. F. Splendid. USA Today calls it bloody and bonkers. Are you ready to die? IGN declares it's electrifying action cinema and popcorn entertainment to the max. How many of you are there? It begs to be seen in a packed theater. Please remember to clean up the blood. Wow. They will kill you.

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27:21Joe Johnson:pieces was already in place the piece was already in place once he got to la when goddamn tom with the tampa on all they needed they was missing that centerpiece they but and guess what they did

27:32Shannon Sharpe:they allowed him to have some safe. He went, hey, Gronk, come on. Antonio Brown.

27:39Joe Johnson:He hit A.B., come on.

27:41Shannon Sharpe:Yes.

27:42Joe Johnson:Man, that was icing on the cake.

27:44Shannon Sharpe:So I think the thing is, look, Andrew Barry picked those players. Now, he done a great, I mean, Miles Garrett, hit it out the park. Out the park. Got him. Out the park. I love Judkins. He was phenomenal. Me too. Love it. I don't know. Did he pick Baker Mayfield? Was he there for Baker Mayfield? Or was that the other guy?

28:08Shannon Sharpe:Who selected Baker Mayfield? Who's responsible for Denzel Ward, too? Yeah. Denzel and was probably Andrew Baird. Because he came after. Huh? It wasn't Andrew Baird. They get Denzel Ward? No, it was Andrew Baird. He dropped to Baker. Okay. Oh, he's the other guy. The baseball guy, huh? Man, Ocho. Yo, the Browns can make a big leap next year, man. They already got a solid defense. You get them with weapons.

28:39Joe Johnson:They need by three pieces, Joe.

28:42Shannon Sharpe:You talking about offense? Yeah. Three, Joe. That's it. You believe they got a quarterback. Okay. If you believe their quarterback is on the roster, they need offensive line. That left tackle. Did you see that left tackle, Cam Robinson? I can walk better than him. John Dorsey, selected Baker.

29:03Shannon Sharpe:that's embarrassing I mean to watch some of these guys that's embarrassing that these guys are starting I watched for Filaley Ocho he did his head like this here and both guys ran by him I said you must be thinking you school patrol and you gonna start some 5 year olds Ocho how you hold out both hands and both guys go by you

29:32Shannon Sharpe:Hey, they got that boy back there running for his life, man. Lamar's like, oh, yeah, I'm protected on this here. They ain't bringing it before. We got five protectors. I'm good. Lamar said, damn. Were you in the hotel? How did you get back here this fast?

29:51Joe Johnson:That happened a few times.

29:53Shannon Sharpe:You look at what they did this year. They had Mason Graham. He started to come on. Swessinger, is that his name? He looked like he's going to be defensive rookie of the year. Judkins, solid, really good. Harold Fannin, he got pro bowl potential. Dylan Gabriel, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Sampson, I like Judkins. Better than I like Sampson. And then Shadour, all I know is that he wins. you can say what you want. The defense scored two touchdowns. Those two touchdowns if he doesn't get them down there in field goal range do they win the game?

30:32Joe Johnson:Mm-mm. That was a critical drive right there too.

30:36Shannon Sharpe:But see, only Shadour does something getting them in field goal range. He ain't do nothing. Anybody else? Didn't he settle the running field goal? Yeah.

30:45Joe Johnson:You know how that go. The goalpost move depending on who you're talking about and who it is. But that's okay. That's okay.

30:53Shannon Sharpe:Deshaun has to come back. Joe, he's on the book for about$50 million, guaranteed. So he has to come back for another year. Ain't nobody – I mean, you could cut him, but nobody – you're not going to be able to trade him. So you're going to give him a fair shot. You stuck with him for at least one more year. This is the worst trade in NFL history. It is what it is. It is the worst trade because of the compensation that you gave up and the money that you paid him. He was the first to have a fully guaranteed. And the problem is, Joe, what made Cleveland, it looks worse than what it was, he had not even started on the new contract, the extension that he signed.

31:35Shannon Sharpe:They gave him money on top of that. Ocho, he was about to start, and they said, no, guess what? We're going to even give you more. And to make it worse, to make it better for you, works for them, they fully guaranteed it. $230 million fully guaranteed.

31:55Joe Johnson:They didn't expect this

31:56Shannon Sharpe:though, Uncle Joe. Absolutely not.

31:59Joe Johnson:That's why they did it. That boy was a fool in Houston. Hey, Joe, he was a fool in Houston and he didn't have no superstars, Joe. Remember, he had D-Hop for a minute. Yeah, I think he had D-Hop for one year before D-Hop went to Arizona, if I'm not mistaken. for one year, and the year when D-Hop wasn't there, he still went crazy, Joe.

32:20Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, yeah.

32:21Joe Johnson:He still went crazy, so they understood what they were getting, and because you understand that a premium passer like that, at that age, that was able to do that without premier talent around him, oh, man, we got to have this. Because we haven't had anything like that in so long since Otto Graham.

32:39Shannon Sharpe:But, Uncle Ojo, he ain't played him. It's been a minute. Well, he got hurt. Remember, Joe, he got suspended. He missed the first 11 games. Think about it now. The previous year, he didn't play. I don't care how talented you are. He missed a whole year, and then basically missed two years because he missed the first 11 games, Ocho. Then he comes back, plays five games. He doesn't look good. But you say, you know what? We get him in OTAs. We get him in off-season conditioning. We get him in our system. We'll be better. He gets hurt. He missed the rest all that season. He comes back. guess what gets hurt missed all that so for the most part he's might have played 15, 16, 17 games in about 4 years yeah

33:28Joe Johnson:he hasn't had the opportunity to get back to himself if he wanted to maybe this is his year Joe maybe this is his year he's had ample time to get himself back healthy to get back to some form of what he used to be, and maybe if they do their due diligence in bringing talent to pieces, if he's going to be your starting quarterback because you got$50 million on the books on him, and you had no choice but to ride with him, you know what to do. When you start with Ochoa, you know what to do.

34:03Shannon Sharpe:You can cut him. I mean, you can release him, but you still owe him$50 million guaranteed, Ochoa. So you know they're not going to do that.

34:12Joe Johnson:you know they're not going to do that

34:15Shannon Sharpe:I don't know

34:18Joe Johnson:I don't know Joe honestly I don't know either I don't

34:22Shannon Sharpe:it's a very tough situation we keep saying pieces I don't give a damn what kind of pieces you get this ain't no puzzle it ain't really that hard if you don't get that foundational piece which is the quarterback you cannot build a team that's quality enough to get to where you want to go. It used to be you could, Ocho. I bring my running game. I bring my defense because defense travels. A run game travels. They change the rules. Your quarterback needs to travel. And he needs to be able to make plays under the rest. That's the way it's set up now. Go back and look at the quarterbacks that's been winning the Super Bowls.

35:06Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, they've got great peace around them, but that guy's had to make plays. and right now Cleveland doesn't have that, and they haven't had it in a long time.

35:20Shannon Sharpe:Look, it seems to me, at least at worst case, you could say, maybe you could have said, hey, look, we like what we saw from Sanders, but they're noncommittal. They say we don't know if it's internal or external, which means, hey, we don't know if the guy that's going to lead us is on the roster or we're going to have to bring him in. Right. They keeping everybody on their toes over there.

35:44Joe Johnson:They definitely ain't going to get no answer right now.

35:47Shannon Sharpe:God damn it. Hey, I'm like you. If they don't do nothing about that line, that offensive line, I don't give a damn who they got back there throwing that ball. They ain't going to make a difference. Well, they better get Noah Lyles back there to play quarterback so he can take off running because he can't catch him. But other than that, it ain't going to work. They need offensive line. They need offensive line. They need some receivers. I like Azale Bond, but they need a number one. They got to go get a receiver. I like Fanning. I'm not saying you got to try to find another Fanning, but if you can have two solid tight ends that can do some damage.

36:24Shannon Sharpe:But I think offensively you're good. Hey, I'll try to find another piece to go opposite of – maybe you go out and get another corner opposite of a Denzel. I like Delpit. Obviously, Myles Garrett is your linchpin, your centerpiece. he's gonna make everybody Devin Bush played really well for him this year yeah but it's Cleveland's just ugh critics and audiences agree what the hell is this place only three letters describe they will kill you WTF splendid USA Today calls it bloody and bonkers are you ready to die IGN declares it's electrifying action cinema and popcorn entertainment to the max. How many of you are there?

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39:55Shannon Sharpe:The Raiders have fired their head coach, Pete Carroll, after just one season. Carol said the Raiders would win a bunch of games in this first season. Instead, the Raiders finished 3-14. Had a check, but they got that number one pick. The Raiders were at the bottom of almost every category, offensively and defense. The unit finished 31st in pressures, rate 27th in sack, despite Max Crosby having 10 this season. The Raiders are also looking to hire a financial advisor. That's what they should. Ocho, think about all the coaches. They owe Antonio Pierce,$8 million. Josh McDaniel 10 million John Gruden 10 million Pete Carroll 16 million Chip Kelly 6 million and you got to bring another head coach in and his staff yeah but listen

40:43Joe Johnson:if they need to hire a financial advisor I'm right where they need to come I'm exactly who they need to call listen if there's anything I can get them out of that don't worry about that I can get them out of that if there's anybody that knows and that's financially conscious and very savvy when it comes to spending and making sure it's me.

41:06Shannon Sharpe:It's too late, Ojo.

41:07Joe Johnson:It's me. Well, listen, it might be too late, but I will make sure they won't make any more goddamn mistakes in overspending from this point on. Now, bring me in the building. Well, here's the thing. When you fire a coach, you ain't got no choice.

41:21Shannon Sharpe:You're on the hook for his book, for his money.

41:24Joe Johnson:Well, listen, we're going to be a lot more cautious on who we higher and making sure we allow that contract. You could have hired

41:31Shannon Sharpe:Bill Belichick. That quarterback situation, you're going to be right here. You're right. If you're the Raiders, though, do you get one of these kids coming out the draft? Because I don't believe... Joe, at some point in time, you've got to stop trying to get stuff. You've got to stop trying to... We used to call it second-hand. Joe, you know what I'm talking about. You don't second-hand. I bet it was a long time before I had a new car by myself. That somebody had to pass gas in it. I want to be the first one to pass gas in this car. So, Ocho, you know, you're getting secondhand stuff. I think they need to move on from that secondhand and get a quarterback of their own.

42:13Joe Johnson:Where he going to come from?

42:15Shannon Sharpe:Look, the kid from Indiana or the kid from Oregon, they're coming out. It's too much money not to.

42:26Shannon Sharpe:that ain't gonna get it is old joke no you put them

42:30Joe Johnson:you put them young bulls in that environment have you seen Augustine have you seen Indiana and what you think gonna happen to either one of them if they go to the Raiders what is gonna what they gonna look like you already know

42:44Shannon Sharpe:look they're a long ways away they need they need offensive line they need defensive players look you gotta trade Max Crosby he's the only thing that's the only thing of value that you have that can bring you back draft compensation to help you build up that's the only thing about you got that's the only thing that you can trade so you're gonna have to trade him and and and get a first and a third and a second next year right and you got a first this year but also you got a hit you got a hit

43:22Joe Johnson:and that's the hard part it is it's like going to the goddamn casino playing roulette you know you never know

43:33Shannon Sharpe:yeah it's the same thing though yeah I get you you spin the wheel and drop the ball in there

43:39Joe Johnson:and the numbers yeah what it's called come on man y 'all always correcting me

43:47Shannon Sharpe:yeah look Look, you got Brock Bowers. He's one of your top tight ends in the league. So you got a pass catching tight end. You need a receiver. You went into the draft. You got a back last year. You need somebody to block for the back. You need somebody to block for your quarterback. You got Christie, excuse me, Crosby, that he can – you're not trading Brock Bowers. The reason why I didn't mention him is because you're not trading him. No.

44:17Joe Johnson:No, not a chance.

44:18Shannon Sharpe:Max Crosby is the guy that you can trade and get that can help you build this thing back up. Because that's really the only thing that you have a value that you're willing to move.

44:34Shannon Sharpe:You got to start with that foundational piece, Ocho. At the end of the day, I mean, if you got a house, Ocho, what you going to get? What's the first thing you going to buy? What can't you live without? I'm hoping you save furniture I will give you I give you$500 and you got to get one piece

44:59Shannon Sharpe:in the house

45:04TV

45:06Shannon Sharpe:man that's accessory not when you got a phone I can watch all that stuff on my phone

45:12Joe Johnson:I mean okay Okay Damn that's a good one Because the first thing I'm thinking about By getting a house I need some furniture I got to have some Where to lay Lay my head And a TV I'm trying to think What else

45:23Shannon Sharpe:I can speak for a big spirit I bought a house Talk to me It was over budget joke You know what I'm saying My people told me Say Shannon You can spend 425 ,000 I said I got you 425 Ooh I gave me a big old Half of 425 First house the lady Showed me was 625 I said, why you show me this house? You know I can't afford this. Let's go somewhere else. But I said, before we go somewhere else, let me look around. You know what I'm saying? I said, Joe, I said, before we go, since we here now, I might as well look around. I put my hands in my pockets. I walk in there.

46:03Joe Johnson:Yeah, that's the game they play on. Oh, man.

46:06Shannon Sharpe:Big old shower. I ain't never seen no walk-in shower. You got a linen clothes. yeah yeah i mean our towels were the same place my jeans were you know i could go get a pair of jeans they ain't get a towel so you know what i'm saying i ain't never seen no linen closet linen yeah so i'm like yeah i walk down she opened the door i go down i said that's a basement i said i said what is that at the time i ain't know what it was i said what is this called she say it's a basement and it's finished yeah yeah i'm walking down there carpeting 3 000 square foot oh damn i could just imagine what i could be doing in here yeah yeah a lot of trampoline actually you know what i'm saying don't your trampoline your boy your boy was young i was 24 25 now i figured trampoline i said okay i said okay this is a little bit out of my budget let me see the other houses you know what i said joe i said let me see the other way hey that 425 ain't gonna hit nothing like that okay she said well okay mr sharp this is like this is like 435 to 450.

47:17Shannon Sharpe:she's so she i saw those houses i walked in having a hand in the pocket just like this right here

47:26Shannon Sharpe:i don't want this i go to the other with y 'all oh joe same thing hands in my pocket I look around. I said, let's go back and look at the other house. One more time, let's look at the other house the first house you showed me. That first one you showed me. She said, are you sure Mr. Sharp? Cause they told me the budget. Yeah, yeah. I go back there, I started thinking. I said, I'm right here in the heart of Buckhead. Man. I'm right there, I can walk to Phil's Plaza, I can walk to Lennox Mall. Yes sir. I can walk to the movie theaters that's in Phil's Plaza. Because back then, Joe, I don't know if you remember, when you got there, they used to have a movie theater in Lenox Mall.

48:10Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Until old boy got shot, a dude got shot there. But you didn't want to go there. I'll tell you about that later, Joe. But anyway, I said, whew, I was thinking about it. I remember she dropped me back at the time. She dropped me back at the hotel. Yeah. She said, what you think, Mr. Sharp? I said, I think I'm about to be over budget.

48:39Shannon Sharpe:I said, I think I'm about to be over budget. Hey, that's how they get you. They got me. You know who I bought the house from, Joe? Who? Sugar Ray Leonard's ex-wife, Juanita. I did. Well, they got you. They got you just how they got me. How they got you, Joe? Oh, Joe. I'm out here supposed to be looking for me a nice little townhouse. I just come from Phoenix. Yes, sir. I'm moving out here to Atlanta. Okay. They say, man, you know, Sharif Abdul Rahim, he just built this house out here in Sandy Springs. Yes, sir. He ain't been living in it six months. I say, well, we can go by there and check it out.

49:18Shannon Sharpe:We come by here. Ocho, I'm still in the house of this day. We come by here, Ocho.

49:27Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Joe, we come by here. They got the chef in there. He got everything whipped up. Right. Man, I'm probably looking at a townhouse. This$14 square feet. I'm like, oh, look, you ain't finna take me to go look at no townhouse. That's all it is. I don't know why you. Right. Joe, why not start with the 425s first? Right. Why you start with this? It's like I'm about to go to that.

49:52Joe Johnson:hold on time out time out time out time out let's slow down a little bit because joe just threw that out there like i like we me in the chat and hear him just say i'm just keeping it 100.

50:02Shannon Sharpe:i'm just keeping it 100.

50:03Joe Johnson:14 000 square feet boy boy you in buckingham palace what oh joe oh joe

50:08Shannon Sharpe:oh joe listen look boy i had to have a long talk with my mama about this here

50:14Joe Johnson:townhouse i ain't gonna go to no townhouse after seeing this hey joe hey joe i got to i got to come out there and holla at you. Man, how you gonna come see me, come see me. Yeah, I'm like, hey, you, like you say, your property, that's a property, that ain't no house?

50:26Shannon Sharpe:Here you go. Hey, Ocho, I've been blessed, Ocho. It ain't just a house. I got three kids. All of them are the names of three. Ooh. I was like, man, how am I gonna make this work? I was like, ooh. I said, man, boy, Ocho, I swear for God than two white men, I was eating ketchup with a nick needle. Man, look here. Man, I ain't never ate so much tuna, oatmeal, and eggs in my life. Man, I went to Sam's, I was buying like seven, eight dozen, like 20 dozen eggs at a time. I was getting cake, I was getting pallets of tuna. That's all I could eat. I gotta pay for the house, I gotta pay child support. That's all I could eat.

51:13Joe Johnson:Hey, hey, listen, you gotta sacrifice, huh? You wanted that house? I had to. Listen, I understand your pain. I've been there before. Maybe not to that extent, but listen, we've all had to sacrifice something or something else that we like and we love. We appreciate at that time, knowing it's out of our budget.

51:38Shannon Sharpe:Knowing good and well, because we know it's coming. Ain't had no tape. We know it's coming. Ain't had no tape, nothing to eat off. I didn't. I had a couch and I had a bed. That's all I had for them. Hey, look. Hey, that shit, hey, you working hard as I don't know what. I had a king-sized bed. I had a king-sized bed. What's that? You remember the furniture store Huffs, Joe? Right there on Linnis Road by that church? It used to be a glass. It was a big glass building right there.

52:13Shannon Sharpe:But the furniture, that's where it all, all the high-end black entertainers they used to go get their furniture from there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you probably spent the grip on that. Why do you do that? But you know, I had to get my bed. I had to go get my bed. Oh, oh, oh, oh. I had a bed. But you know, my bed was black lacquer. Black lacquer. Ooh. And it light up. Like an infinity. Like an infinity. And hold on. You had LED lights? Yeah, yeah. Before it was cool. before it was in style. Right. And let me tell you what I did. Let me tell you what I had, Ocho. I splurred a little bit. I went all in.

52:53Shannon Sharpe:Like I said, I was eating ketchup with a knit needle. Come on. Take your time. I had me a leather comforter, custom-made for the bed. Oh, boy, you could have. Leather? Like a what? Leather. Leather comforter, custom for the bed. Yeah. Then I did a card signing You know I did a card Back then you saw a card signing card They gave your boy a little money I signed like 2 ,000 cards Got me about 12 ,500 Bought me some satin sheets

53:31Shannon Sharpe:Sateen How about this here Man I see them in the movies How they run jumping the bed How I go jumping the bed As always comes to the floor to the other side On the floor I went. I said, aw man, this don't look good, this ain't functional. Hey, hey, hold up, but why you talking though? Okay, Ocho, y 'all still don't do card signings? I do every Blue Moon, Joe. Cause back then, my brother would take me like, they want my brother, he had just, but in the beginning, they wanted my brother because he had won the Triple Crown, he was an all pro, 100 catch season, back-to-back 100-catch season, so they wanted him.

54:14Shannon Sharpe:And the only way he would go do the signing, they had to take me. So they throw you more 2 ,500, 5 ,000. Right, right, right. I got a prank. Hey, Uncle Joe. I mean, one time I signed 10 ,000 cards. Damn. And one sin, they gave you three months. Yeah. Oh, to get through it? Okay, okay. But I had a couch. I had a couch and had no TV but I had a bed the bed was nice I'm just saying the bed was nice the bed was nice yeah hey I'm still doing card signings this day boy yeah yeah yeah

54:55Joe Johnson:I still sign a lot boy I look back

55:00Shannon Sharpe:I think by some time now I just be laying down like damn this thing could have went sideways in a hurry I ain't have no choice. You were shooting up. Yeah, I was shooting up. I got three kids. They're in daycare. And I still got to take care of granny. I still got to take care of Libby. Mom, everyone in a while. Plus the kid. That's my number one responsibility. So if I got to do without, I'm cool. People's like, man, I can train myself. I'll go a couple of days without eating. hair be killing you. Hair be killing you, you're so hungry. But I say, nah, I gotta put myself in a situation because if I ever have to not be able to eat, I'm gonna be good with it.

55:51Shannon Sharpe:Hey, it's a lot of people, they ain't gonna be able to understand what you're saying, bro.

55:54Joe Johnson:No, no, no, Joe. It's a lot of us who done been there and done that. Hey, Joe, the funny thing about it is the people aren't gonna understand because they've only seen the finished product. up. They've only seen the fittest. They only seen you on Sundays. They don't understand the walk you took and the path you took to get to where you are. They don't understand the sacrifices that came along that goddamn journey before you got to what you see on Sundays. They'll never

56:23Shannon Sharpe:get it. When I coined the phrase to him, I wore summer clothes. I told him when I went to college, I said, man, I wore summer clothes. Man, look at me. He said, what you mean summer clothes? Some of my brothers, some of my uncles, some of my cubs. Hey, they just passed that thing on down. Oh, yeah. I'm like, they so spanking with us last year. I got the... Man, listen. When it got too small for me, that's the jeans they cut up. And you know back then, you know, you're on your knees, you put holes in your knees in jeans. My grandma was wearing jeans that had gotten too small for me. Man. All that stitching.

57:04Shannon Sharpe:Come on, granny.

57:10Shannon Sharpe:This when you was in college? No, I was coming up in school. I was coming up, yeah. But no, when I was in college, you know, look, I went to college. I had matching luggage. I had two Piggly Wiggly bags with everything I own inside of them. I had matching luggage, Ocho. Piggly Wiggly. No, it might have been Winn-Dex at the time. They changed the name to Piggly Wiggly. But I had two brown bags. You don't believe it? Ask Pastor Ford. I went to college class of 86. That's what we call ourselves, 86. Ask him how I showed up. Two Winn-Dixie Brown, brown grocery bags. I had everything I owned in those bags.

57:48Shannon Sharpe:Hey, I believe, boy. I ain't have much in there when I went to college. I ain't going to lie to you. I used to wear the crap out of them Arkansas Razorback sweats. Ocho, we ain't have no to that. I'm talking about all kinds of stuff on them sweats. Hey, like it was designer, huh? Man, what you talking about? And you remember, like in the dorm, you had like, we had one washer, we had two washers, two dryers. Now, think about it. You got, you might got 70 guys, two washers, two dryers. So guess what happened? Guess what happened? If your stuff, you're not there to see it. It's going to be on the side.

58:33Shannon Sharpe:It's going to be on top. If somebody else's stuff in there. And you just hope your best eyes on your shirt and your best stuff, you see somebody with. Come on, you know that's me. Hey, hey. Hey, you already know, though. When you're down there washing them clothes in college, you got to stay down there with it. You got to stay down there with it. Oh, yeah. You can't put the style of them clothes and tell me you're going to go to your room. Okay. Okay. Okay. Hey, that was the best thing on show. When I got a girlfriend, I got a girlfriend my junior year.

59:01Joe Johnson:Yeah. Hey, you thought, hey. Hey, she taking everything.

59:05Shannon Sharpe:Wash it. Fold it up. Because you know, I'm just washing. Hey, I'm dumping everything in there together. Throwing powder in there. Yep. Hey.

59:14Joe Johnson:Hey, you ain't separating nothing. You washing white, black, and colors. I washing everything.

59:20Shannon Sharpe:The only thing I didn't have is bleach. I just knew you couldn't put bleach in color. But everything else, hey, Tide. That's the only thing we always use. We only use Tide. We have no fabric softener. We have nothing. Static. And that powder. Socks stuck to my jeans. I have my four pair of socks stuck to my jeans.

59:40Shannon Sharpe:Chad, y 'all know what I'm talking about. I ain't the only one. Hey, I remember those days. Hey, that's throwback.

59:48Joe Johnson:That's throwback.

59:49Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, is it rare to see Pete Carroll? Because the one thing we know about Pete Carroll, he can rebuild. Look at what he did at USC. Look at what he did at Seattle. Are you surprised that they didn't give him more time to try to get this thing turned around than one year?

1:00:06Joe Johnson:No, absolutely not. I'm not surprised at all. Obviously, because where they were ranked offensively and defensively, I'm not sure if the players were responding to Pete Carroll. Obviously, I think they want to go a little bit younger when it comes to the coaching staff that they want to bring in. They want to go in a completely different direction, obviously. I love Pete. I love what Pete has been able to do at the NFL level, at the collegiate level. But it's obvious that Tom and others that are making those calls in that building want to go much younger to another coach where the players are a little bit more receptive to what they have to say.

1:00:41Joe Johnson:But think about what he had in Seattle.

1:00:43Shannon Sharpe:They get Russ. They get Sherm. They get B. Wags. They get Cliff Averill. They get Earl Thomas. They got Cam. Look at what they're doing now. They trade for beast mode. They draft those receivers. Kers and Baldwin. You see? Look at what they got. Now you got Russ. Now you got a nucleus. What a nucleus is in Vegas?

1:01:09Joe Johnson:It ain't Mack Crosby.

1:01:15Shannon Sharpe:Brock Bowles, even though it's early. And with that, it wasn't until they got the quarterback with Russ that they were able, in par with that legion of boom, They get Michael Bennett, you know, they get Michael Bennett, and they get, you know, Malcolm Smith, and they get a couple of these other guys, and whoop. Yeah. Voila. Yeah. That took time now. Team, they give you no time now, Ocho. Ocho, Zach Taylor apparently will pass on listening to Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase, their desire to make change in the Bengals organization. Taylor stood on business today stating that he does not plan on making any changes to the coaching staff.

1:01:58Shannon Sharpe:He compiled a 52-63-1 record over the last seven seasons and led the Bengals to the Super Bowl in 2021. The Bengals defense was one of the worst in the NFL, ranking 30th in points allowed, 31st in total yard surrender. Even with those dismal stats, Taylor plans to bring back defensive coordinator Al Golden for a second season in the role. Ocho, are you surprised with how bad the defense played that he's not willing to make any changes?

1:02:32Joe Johnson:Absolutely not. Because listen, they said Lou Onaroma was a problem the year before last. Lou Onaroma went to the goddamn Colts and they had a good defense. Because you know why they had a good defense in Indy? because they had the players to be able to execute the scheme and the tactics that Luan Aruma wanted to run. Listen, Al Golden, the disciples, Jesus of Nazareth, God, it wouldn't matter who was coaching that goddamn defense, Joe. They wasn't going to be able to perform. In this offseason, this offseason for the Bengals, the only focus for us needs to be in the draft and offseason acquisitions needs to be defensive help.

1:03:09Joe Johnson:It needs to be defensive help. honestly I've said it's playing around playing around obviously saying stuff I would love Jeffrey Simmons I'm not sure that's possible would Tennessee be willing to let him go no will Mike Brown pay him absolutely absolutely based on what we just saw last year and what we saw the previous year yes they will do it he will do it um another thing we need three pieces we need some at all three levels we need some on the front on the front level and on the back end I love DJ Turner I love DJ Turner I love what he's turned out to be he's gonna get paid this offseason at the second level Demetrius Knight he need to have that goddamn C on his checks next year young bull is nice that's 44 South Carolina game hey Joe when you turn on the tape that young bull all over the place he got a motor on him hey he gonna be nice he gonna be something we need three pieces Joe we need three.

1:04:07Joe Johnson:Get some on that third level. We get somebody like Jeffrey Simmons to help stop that run and hoping Shamar Stewart in his second year gets much better as opposed to what we saw this year from him to go early in the draft and live up to that high round expectation. I think we're going to be all right.

1:04:26Shannon Sharpe:Y 'all going to have to get that out the draft, ain't you, Ocho? Y 'all got too much money tied up

1:04:30Joe Johnson:in that offense. Hey, Joe, you ain't never lied. Listen, I'm picking up what you're putting down, Joe, but we got to do something. Y 'all going to have to redo what you call them, contract.

1:04:39Shannon Sharpe:Who? T was basically a one-year deal. Joe Higgins. Yeah. T was basically a one-year deal, Ocho. Yeah. But you need some offensive linemen, too. At some point in time, y 'all got to stop getting Joe hit. Yeah. Because that's not y 'all offense. Y 'all sped things up on Sunday just to try to keep Miles from getting that. Y 'all pushed the ball down the field. Y 'all really didn't push the ball down the field but one time, Ocho. because y 'all was trying to get the ball out of his hands because you didn't walk by him to try to get to your quarterback.

1:05:10Joe Johnson:As a matter of fact, you're so funny. What did I say? How did I say the game was going to look? Yeah, you said it. The night before the game. I said it was going to be quick game, misdirection, and getting the ball out of his hands real fast, and I'd be damned. That's exactly what they did all goddamn game long.

1:05:25Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. But that's not your offense, though. No. your offense is Ocho to push the ball down the field yeah you get look we want to push the ball put the ball in Chase's hand but Chase catch a lot of deep balls T catch a lot of deep balls deep balls yeah they do so to get outside of what you schematically normally would do and that's what I hate look if I want to Ocho I can neutralize anybody if I'm willing to jump if I'm willing to jump my offensive defense just to keep one player at bay but at what expense? At what expense? Joe Burrow is a push the ball down the field. You got receivers that can get down the field.

1:06:13Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, you can get the ball in their hands and occasionally, yeah, they'll do that. They'll get the ball in T's hand. They'll get the ball more so Chase because I think Chase is a little better run after the catch than T is. T is a much bigger receiver. Go over the top. He'll high point the ball. Tremendous hand. Great hand. Eye coordination. but Sunday you guys like nah man we gonna do everything we possibly can to try to neutralize mile so that means a lot of quick stuff a lot of hitches a lot of smoke stuff a lot of shallows get the ball up the reason why I'm not surprised the one thing I know about the Brown family they ain't spending no excess money I bet damn if you gonna get money keep they get their money and you not working for them that ain't how they do business Ocho you know them I've been around the league and heard people talk he ain't buying no how many more years does Zach Taylor got on his contract that'll tell you how many more years he gonna be coaching in Cincinnati

1:07:09Joe Johnson:he gonna be right there yeah absolutely right absolutely right

1:07:15Shannon Sharpe:cause hey that one and done stuff that you see other coaches that other owners do Mike Brown ain't doing that

1:07:22Joe Johnson:oh hell no you think he gonna fire somebody he still got to pay and they not actually in the building absolutely not it ain't happening

1:07:31Shannon Sharpe:so Zach Taylor stays we'll come back to the NBA excuse me we'll come back to football in a bit but NBA news first Ocho have the floor for some spoken words it's yours Ocho

1:07:44Joe Johnson:oh man hey chat hey Joe this is deep man

1:07:52Shannon Sharpe:okay take your time know oh man man got the hell with this boy oh man no hey uh hey chat i know uh

1:08:09Joe Johnson:unks ravens didn't make the playoffs there have been some some rude things that have been said to the kicker tyler loop and knowing that i do spoken word i thought i'd come up with something for him to encourage him to go forward and to be better because that moment in which he missed that kick that opportunity will present itself again so let me know y 'all ready we're ready ocho you ready joe all right yeah i'm ready i'm ready yeah this is called the kick kick The kick.

1:08:55Joe Johnson:They call it one kick. But Tyler Loop felt a lifetime in that moment. The whistle was sharp. The stadium was loud. A season on your foot. 44 yards. Wide right. And the world writes a story with no room for the hours you spent perfecting your craft. They'll remember the miss. Not the miles walked. Not the pressure on your back. Not the hard it took to step there. But listen. You showed up. You lined it up. You believed. And that's something no miss can take. That is the spoken word by Mr.

1:09:47Shannon Sharpe:Ocho.

1:09:51Shannon Sharpe:Pachacho. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

1:10:00Joe Johnson:Thank you.

1:10:07Joe Johnson:Why you laughing?

1:10:09Shannon Sharpe:Hey, I'm digging the hat though. The hat, I'm messing with the hat.

1:10:11Joe Johnson:I appreciate that, Joe. I appreciate that. I appreciate that, Joe. It took time for me to write that.

1:10:20Shannon Sharpe:yeah yeah i listen i damn this been all day joe they say ocho started poetic injustice I

1:11:00Joe Johnson:Oh, that burn, Ocho. Hey, come on, man. Hey, listen, that was a serious moment, man. Y 'all laughing at me, man.

1:11:06Shannon Sharpe:Nah, hey, this is a safe space. This is a safe space, Ocho. Yeah, yeah, I feel you.

1:11:10Joe Johnson:Every time I be vulnerable, y 'all get laughing. No, no. Hey, don't take that. We ain't laughing.

1:11:18Shannon Sharpe:We judge you not, at least you be judged. Right, right. Whatever that means. Hey, we ain't laughing. Actually, we laughing with you. He laughing with you. Man, you got my glasses. That's messed up, man.

1:11:34Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Lord have mercy.

1:11:37Joe Johnson:Hey, hold on. Hey, y 'all, that's messed up, man. Hey, I got a joke. I got a joke for y 'all. Okay, come on. Joe, you ready, Joe? Yeah, I'm ready, I'm ready. Come on. Hey, chat, what do you call fake spaghetti?

1:11:56Shannon Sharpe:fake spaghetti

1:12:09Shannon Sharpe:you got anything joe i'll be feeling like i'll be knowing them but they be outfield left someone This dude, this dude becomes fake spaghetti. Hold on, Ocho. Fake spaghetti.

1:12:27Shannon Sharpe:Nah, I ain't got nothing. What you got, Ocho?

1:12:33Fake spaghetti is called an imposter.

1:12:44Oh,

1:12:48Shannon Sharpe:Lord, help mercy. It's bad here.

1:12:54Man.

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