In short
The hosts break down a major NFL trade: the Cleveland Browns sending defensive end Myles Garrett to the Los Angeles Rams, what it means for both teams, and whether it signals a “Super Bowl or bust” push. They also discuss Aaron Donald possibly returning, plus brief talk about the Cowboys’ season and NFC East outlook.
Guests (hosts)
Chad Ochocinco Johnson (former NFL player; Pro Bowl/all-pro; co-host) and Isaiah “Iso Joe” Johnson (former NBA player; seven-time all-star; co-host). No other guests appear in this episode.
Guest backgrounds
Chad Ochocinco is a former pro wide receiver known for on-field production and NFL experience. Isaiah Thomas (Iso Joe Johnson) is a former NBA shooting guard with seven all-star selections.
Key claims
Garrett’s sack production will spike because he’ll play “from ahead” with a stronger Rams offense/defense. Browns “start over” by trading a $40M-caliber player while rebuilding with draft picks. Rams are constructed to win now; adding Garrett is the “missing link.” Aaron Donald’s recent “#ready” workout hints at a return.
Notable examples
Garrett’s 23 sacks (and “23 and a half” mentioned) and the Rams’ offensive/defensive pieces (Matthew Stafford, Puka Nacua, Davante Adams, Kyren Williams; defensive tackles like McDuffie/others named). They also reference Rams’ prior aggressive moves (Stafford, Jalen Ramsey, Von Miller) and hope for Rams-Cowboys matchups.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOBrowns Trade Miles Garrett to Rams
1:20 to 7:34
The hosts dive into the details of the trade involving Miles Garrett and the implications for both teams.
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Browns Trade Miles Garrett to Rams
7:41 to 8:08
The hosts dive into the details of the trade involving Miles Garrett and the implications for both teams.
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Analysis of the Trade's Impact
12:10 to 14:01
The hosts discuss the strategic reasons behind the trade and its future implications.
“And obviously, I mean, they're in a tough situation.”
Analyzing the Myles Garrett Trade
14:01 to 18:55
Discussion on the implications of Myles Garrett's trade to the Rams and its impact on both teams.
“Look, we've been watching Miles Garrett and Cleveland for, what, over nine years?”
Potential Return of Aaron Donald
20:49 to 28:00
Speculation on Aaron Donald's potential return and the implications for the Rams' defense.
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Analyzing Myles Garrett's Trade to the Rams
28:00 to 31:36
A discussion on the implications of Myles Garrett's trade and the strengths he brings to the Rams.
“You know, some teams talk about, you know, we're trying to compete, but you don't go get the pieces necessary.”
Cleveland's Strategy in the Trade Market
31:36 to 34:18
Exploring Cleveland's decision-making process and future strategies after trading Garrett.
“Hey, to go from the Browns, to go from Cleveland to L.A.?”
The Defensive Landscape of NFL Teams
34:18 to 36:54
A look at how different teams manage their defensive strategies and player contracts.
“But I tell you what, other than Seattle, who would you rather be?”
Kansas City Chiefs and Defensive Contracts
36:54 to 39:23
Discussion about the Chiefs' approach to defensive player contracts and drafting talent.
“I don't know if it was the contract or what was going on.”
Upcoming NFL Season Predictions
39:23 to 42:00
Predictions and expectations for the upcoming NFL season based on team improvements and challenges.
“They are, because if you look at it, Ocho, you look at they drafted Chris Jones.”
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Analyzing the Cowboys' Offense and Defense
42:00 to 45:00
A discussion on the strengths and weaknesses of the Cowboys' team, focusing on Dak Prescott and the defense.
“listen hey joe when it comes to the cowboys i don't look at the defensive side of the ball that's not my thing i look at the offense side of the ball how high power we are yeah I'm picking up what you're putting down.”
Cowboys' Schedule and Predictions
45:54 to 55:16
Hosts discuss the upcoming Cowboys' schedule, potential challenges, and predictions for the season.
“Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what?”
Global Growth of the NFL
55:16 to 56:00
A conversation on how the NFL is expanding its reach internationally and implications for teams.
NFL Globalization and Cowboy Banter
56:00 to 1:03:11
Discussion on the NFL's efforts to grow globally and playful banter about the Cowboys.
“yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah oh it's in brazil joe yeah y 'all go across the water get your last kick.”
Myles Garrett Trade Analysis
1:03:11 to 1:08:11
In-depth analysis of the implications of Myles Garrett's trade and his career achievements.
“Well, that's gonna be rough for y 'all, huh?”
Myles Garrett Trade Analysis
1:10:01 to 1:10:42
In-depth analysis of the implications of Myles Garrett's trade and his career achievements.
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Podcast Time and Jonas Brothers
1:10:45 to 1:11:10
Explore the Jonas Brothers' new podcast and their first guest, Paul Rudd.
“You think the Jonas Brothers are satisfied?”
Learning to be Human with Chicharito
1:11:10 to 1:11:39
Hear about Javier Hernandez's podcast that focuses on genuine human experiences.
“Everyone sees me as a football player, but before anything else, I'm human.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00This is Tab Ramos from Inside American Soccer. And this summer, Topgolf is turning into the ultimate soccer destination. They've got a new soccer themed game you can play with your group, exclusive food and drink items. They've even installed full size soccer goals so you can try to hit golf balls right into the net. And every match all summer long will be on throughout the venue. And if you want to keep the fun going all summer, you can get the Topgolf Summer Fun Pass, which lets you play every single day and bring up to five guests every visit. Get yours now at topgolf.com slash fun pass.
1:00you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Everyone sees me as a football player, but before anything else, I'm human. Every single day, I'm still learning how to live with problems, mistakes, relationships, emotions, ever since I was born. This isn't a normal podcast. Everything here is spontaneous, real, and genuine. Just honest conversations about what it means to be alive. I'm Javier El Chicharito Hernandez, and listen to Learning to be Human on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
1:33What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm CJ Toledano. It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast Point Game, the playoffs. We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was fine. You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. Then after that game seven, Marquis coming to you, he's like, you know, I love you, dog. You know, it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just basketball. So listen to Point Game on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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2:19Shannon Sharpe:As I was watching these statues come down, I was thinking about what it meant that I grew up in a majority Black city, in which there were more homages to enslavers than there were to enslaved people. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The NBA Finals are here, but the action doesn't stop when the confetti falls and the NBA crowns a champion because the star-study scorching summer of sports. Women's basketball, baseball are heating up, and we've got the world's largest soccer tournament on American soil and the first ever MMA fight on the White House line.
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6:08Shannon Sharpe:Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us. There was some bombshell news today. One we expected, the other we did not so soon. We kind of figured it was going to happen once they moved his money until the season started. Why would Miles Garrett allow them to move their money unless he was in on what was going to happen? But we knew A.J. Brown was going to get moved. We did not know that the trade with Miles Garrett was going to happen so soon. Ocho, I and I, so we'll break that down for you in just a second. Y 'all know who I am. I'm your favorite on. And there's my partner in co-host.
6:41Shannon Sharpe:That's the Liberty City legend. The rock runner extraordinaire. The bingo ring of fame on a wreath. Mr. Sweetfeet himself, a former pro bowler and an all pro. That is Chad Ochocinco Johnson. And the human bucket getter. You need a basket? Iso Joe is your guy. A seven-time NBA all-star. A silky smooth shooting two guard from the Atlanta Hawks. Y 'all know him. That is Iso Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap Podcast feed wherever you get your podcasts from. We'd like to thank you. Thank you for supporting us through it all good, bad, up, down, and different.
7:20Shannon Sharpe:Yep, we go back and forth, and guess what? I'm going to get on y 'all ass again tonight, tomorrow night, and every night we own. So don't lose sight of that. Ain't nothing changing. But we really, really do appreciate your support. Those looking to purchase a bottle of shade by LaPortier, Head over to LaportierCognac.com to purchase you a bottle if it's currently unavailable in a state or city near you. Remember, it is a premium VSOP cognac that drinks like an XO. It's the best tasting smoothest VSOP cognac on the market. What you should do is compare it against other cognacs you've tried or you're looking to try and see if you can tell the difference.
7:56Shannon Sharpe:I believe you can. I absolutely know that you can. And you'll see that we have the best tasting smoothest cognac on the market. Please, please, Drake, responsibly and stay safe. Ocho, Iso, the Cleveland Browns have sent their megastar defensive end, a two-time defensive player of the year. He's a five-time first-team All-Pro. In return, the Cleveland Browns sends Miles Garrett to the Los Angeles Rams. In return, they get Jared Burse, a 2027 first-round pick, a 2028 second round pick, and a 2029 third round pick. The Browns, you have to Garrett, number one overall in 2017. Ocho, I said, Ocho, why don't the Browns just trade this man?
8:45Shannon Sharpe:And you say, oh, why you trade him? He's your most valuable asset. I said, because Ocho, he getting all them sacks, and you finishing dead last. Shouldn't you upgrade, get more, and try to put pieces around him? They're not close with Miles Garrett, and I hated to say that. But give that man, he's too great to be modeling it, wallowing it in mediocrity on that team. Now, watch how invigorated he's going to be because he knows every single damn week, guys. I got an 85 % chance to win this damn game. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I want you to thank you, Mildy.
9:28Shannon Sharpe:but this is a no-brainer for me, and I know Cleveland fans are up. Go ahead, Ocho. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. Okay, listen. I'm going to start from the front. I'm going to start from the front, and then I'm going to work on the tail end, right? You think about this. Miles Garrett with the Rams, right? Yeah. Think about how many times they're going to be ahead. He was able to get 23, 25 and 23 sacks last year. 23. 23 and a half sacks last year, Ocho, right? Huh? Always playing from behind. Yeah. He was able to get 23 and a half, always playing from behind. Can you imagine the amount of sacks he's going to be able to get playing from ahead when he could pin his ears back and just go?
10:0523-0, Joe, you were right. I ain't got to worry about nothing.
10:07Shannon Sharpe:Not to cut you off, you were right. 23 sacks, not 23 and a half, 23 to the NFL record. Okay, okay. Hey, but now every team they play, as great as that offense is, with Devontae Adams, Puka, Matt Stafford, now always being able to play from other teams are going to have to play from behind. So they're going to have no choice but to pass. Now all they got to do now is pin his ears back and just go. Now, one of the things I did say, Unk, is how valuable he was to the Cleveland Browns. So I thought, you know, maybe they wouldn't trade him. But on the other hand, I'm thinking, well, listen, you're finishing last.
10:37You're not playing well. You're not winning very many games with him, even though he's probably the best player in the NFL defensively. Hands down. Why not give him an opportunity to win, Joe? Allow him to go somewhere and to compete for a championship instead of the team being selfish while the value for him is extremely high. And they did just that. And we knew it was going to happen at some point. You probably addressed it a little bit more than I did about when, once they, they moved the money. I said, they moved the money he was supposed to get on March 15th.
11:07Shannon Sharpe:I think he was supposed to get an excess of about 20 something million dollars. They moved that to 15 days into the league year, the season. So I'm like, hold on. Why would you allow them unless you get, unless you giving me a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, what's that a return on my money. you give me 10 % to defer it even two or three months because they're like no no no we're going to let somebody else pay that we're not going to give you that money to let you get up out of here we're going to let somebody else pay that money so that was a no brainer and all that Andrew Barry talk we're not interested no no no no no when you start maneuvering things around when you're going to buy something oh what you do you're like okay let me get all my ducks in a row let me move this around make sure I'm up to this right here hey now I can go get what I need to get done And so I am not surprised by this move.
11:55Shannon Sharpe:And I think it's a great move on both sides because we know the Rams. Damn them picks. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And this is the most important thing is for the Cleveland Browns. To make sure the picks that you have, you got to hit. You got to hit on those picks, you know. And obviously, I mean, they're in a tough situation. I'm not sure if they've gotten any better defensively. Getting Jared Verse, he's not Myles Garrett, but he is, he's a quality player. Yeah, yeah. He's been back, I think what? He was a defensive rookie of the year, I think. He's a multiple-time Pro Bowl player. He's a 2024 defensive rookie of the year.
12:33Shannon Sharpe:99 preciouses entering the league. Only Michael Parsons, 119. Miles Garrett, 109. Have more. So, it wasn't like, look, I know the Rams would have loved to pair Miles Garrett with Jerry Burst, but you weren't going to get him. That's not fair. And that is what allowed them to get him. And, Joe, I know we're going to throw it over to you because I know you upset your Cowboys didn't get him. But they had something the Cowboys didn't have. They had a guy that's 24, 25 years of age that's coming up and he's going to want a big contract. He's a proven commodity. The Cowboys didn't have that. Now, the Eagles had it.
13:08Shannon Sharpe:The question was, were they willing to part with a Carter or something like that? Maybe they didn't want Carter. We don't know. But we know Jared Burse is a top five defensive end. He's an edge. He's a top five no matter how you look at him. And so to get him and a guy that probably had a first and a third on him. And so you get basically you get you get burst, which is the first round pick. You get their first round pick next year. What next year? A second and twenty nine and twenty eight and a third and twenty nine. I think you came out extremely, extremely well in this situation. Joe, how disappointed are you that your Cowboys didn't have the draft capital to go get this thing done?
13:46Shannon Sharpe:Or maybe they were unwilling to spend the capital. I'm very disappointed considering the fact that he's still in the NFC. But listen, here's what I tell y 'all. I don't really think it was – I think it was a good trade for the Browns considering the fact I think they kind of starting over, you know, to get assets. You know what I mean? Look, we've been watching Miles Garrett and Cleveland for, what, over nine years? Okay, Ocho, he probably went to the playoffs, what, two or three times? I think twice. Yeah, he playing meaningless football over there, bro. Yeah. You know, let him go. but the one thing that comes with that and y 'all know expectations are a lot different bro absolutely you know what i mean like i we understand how great he is setting the nfl record in sacks but at the same time when you go when you when you go into la obviously they got a high power offense we know that uh but at the same time them expectations hit a little different fellas yeah but hey joe you got to think about it now we we talk about we talk about one of the better players better defensive players in nfl this is one of the players you can plug and pull on any of the 32 teams, he's going to do exactly what he does no matter where he's at.
14:49If he did what he did on one of the worst teams in the NFL, even though they had a great defense, what you think he's going to do over there in LA, which always has a decent defense as well? Right. Adding him to that team makes them exponentially better. I agree. They're more considered an offensive team as opposed to defense, but the defense ain't bad. And remember,
15:11Shannon Sharpe:they changed their McDuffie. They got tremendous defensive tackles. their defensive tackles. They're unbelievable. You got Duffy, McDuffie. Think about what they have. And so I think the thing is, in this situation, when you add a player like Myles Garrett to a team like this, what are they saying? He's the missing link. He's the missing piece. That's what you do, Ocho. When the Rams went out and got Matthew Stafford, what did they tell everybody? This is the missing link. Yeah. So basically, all they are saying also, Brother Stan Kroenke and the fellas. I'm not sure who the GM is and Sean McVay.
15:51This is Super Bowl or bus. This is Super Bowl or bus. All my cards, all my chips are at the front of the table. I'm betting the house. When you make this kind of move, this is what you're doing. They're going to be in contention as always. The Browns, obviously they're in a building era. They've been building for a very long time and they just haven't seen it right yet with all the first round picks that they've had to date. But they got a long way to go.
16:23Shannon Sharpe:I think the thing is the one thing we know about the Rams, it's been since they made this move because if you think about it, they made the move, they go get Matthew Stafford. Kelly doesn't want you to call him Matt, so Kelly, we going to appease you, we going to call him Matthew. Matthew Stafford. Remember they traded for Jalen Ramsey. They go get Von Miller. Look at the move to get Leonard Floyd. Look at the moves that they made, Ocho. So, Joe, basically they said we Super Bowl or bust every damn year. We don't care if we ain't got no peaks until 2030. We worry about 2026. You see, the two things, there are two days we can never control.
17:01Shannon Sharpe:Yesterday and tomorrow. I don't give a damn about tomorrow. What about today? I'm trying to win today. I can't do anything about tomorrow. I mean yesterday. Yesterday gone. It's history. tomorrow's a mystery today we got Miles Garrett and today, hey Seattle oh y 'all thought y 'all was gonna be comfortable y 'all thought y 'all gonna sit back in there and get skinny grin in our face San Francisco, oh I understand y 'all brought that big man back that left tackle, big Trent T-dub, he back but oh we got something for y 'all ass you got to see us y 'all got to see 95 on a regular occasion this ain't no Well, oh man, damn Cleveland on the schedule.
17:42Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, we on the schedule twice. We in the same division. Ooh, hey listen, and they so high power offensively and with Myles Garrett, it makes them, ooh, it makes them high power defensively. So they, hey look, do y 'all think they, I think that boost them into like the favorite. Hell yeah. We're having Myles Garrett. Absolutely. Absolutely. Oh yeah. And you still got Puka and you still got Devontae? Yeah. You think you got, you went out and got a McDuffie because you felt your back end wasn't what it needed to be. So you address that. Hold on, they got somebody else too. Didn't they get a safety?
18:23Shannon Sharpe:They got somebody else to add to that second. No, they got Jalen Watson. They got the other corner from Kansas City. Oh, Joe and Joe. They got both corners. The Rams is. They got Jalen Watson and McDuffie. and now we plug in Miles Garrett. Oh, we got something for your ass. We got something for y 'all stinking ass NFL. Oh, hold on. Guess where the Super Bowl is? The last time the Super Bowl was in LA. Why was it, Ocho? Who was there? It's in LA. Hey, listen, there's a good chance. I don't mean to jump the gun. There's a good chance with what they've done in the offseason, in the draft, just now with Miles Garrett today, there's a good chance that they're playing in that Super Bowl right in their backyard.
19:12It's one more thing. I'm going to say it before it even happened. Puga Nakua is going to be the highest paid non-quarterback very soon.
19:22Shannon Sharpe:Very soon. Look at what they got defensively. They got Kobe Turner, Puna Ford, Brandon Fisk, Byron Young, Nate Landman, Landman, Omar Spates, Miles Garrett, Jalen Watson. Cameron Kitchens, Cam Curl, Trent Duffy, Quentin Lake. And with that offense, we mentioned Puka. We mentioned Devontae. You got Matthew Stafford. You got Kyron Williams running the football. Mm-hmm. Eh. But the boy's nasty. Hey. This is Tab Ramos from Inside American Soccer. And this summer, Topgolf is turning into the ultimate soccer destination. They're not just throwing games on in the background. Topgolf is going all in on soccer.
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20:43Get yours now at Topgolf.com slash fun pass. Summer hits different at Topgolf. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. First people to do podcasts. Yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with the name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.
21:26This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, Hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm CJ Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed.
21:59and finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luka and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reed. He has to guard Julius Randle. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history, too.
22:34Shannon Sharpe:Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers while he got the ball. Like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. Getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is. Getting a new one put up in its place. As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the Civil War.
23:11Shannon Sharpe:To get to school, I had to go down Robert E. Lee Boulevard. To get to the grocery store, I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're an historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job. I'm Akilah Hughes, and Rebel Spirit Season 2 goes deep on both of those things. The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to the Kentucky Statehouse that's actually worth the wall space. We are more than our bodies. We contain essence. We contain spirit. How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire that is really catching.
23:45You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You said to me, yo, you know, keep at it because you let me rap for you. It was magical for all of us.
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24:00Shannon Sharpe:We made it. We made it. Yeah. I'm like, we, you know, I'm like, I know these guys, but who are you? I'm MC Jin. And this is laugh, but not least. I'll be chatting with guests from all walks of life about the power of humor when it comes to facing difficult times. Like the co-founder of Rough Riders, Darren D. Dean. Talking about as a kid. Do you remember that we met even way before? Let me think. Did you walk up to the gate? That was me, D. That was you? That was me. The day we found out that you and the whole crew was at Hit Factory, the mission was to get me to go to the gate, start freestyling, and see if I could get in the studio.
24:34I'm rapping, and then suddenly I hear a voice. Hey, open the gate. Let him in. The gate slowly went. They all there watching this, and they watch me walk into there, and that is a moment that I will remember for the rest of my life. Listen to Laugh But Not Least with MC Jin starting on June 9th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
24:55Shannon Sharpe:How they gonna be? Don't worry about that. Hey, AD, what you got going on? I see you on IG now. Don't think I don't see what you doing on IG. Nah. Come on, come on, Unc. I'm just checking you off. Nah. Nah. Hey, Unc, I got a question. If Aaron Donald decides to come back, even though he's been relaxing for two years, if he decides to do it, I'm going to make one more run at it. I'm going to try to make one more run at it. What do you mean? I mean, Aaron Donald coming back. I'm just saying he might. I wouldn't be surprised if he does. Based on what they've done, I mean, they're constructed to win a Super Bowl this year, Joe.
25:36Hey. You got Miles Garrett. You add Aaron Donald. Oh, my. I mean, just.
25:42Shannon Sharpe:Hey, man. Let AD continue to shield and work out. Just four days ago, Iso and Joe, Aaron Donald posted a workout video with the caption, hashtag ready. And the song ain't done. We can't play the song, so Chad, use your imagination. Now, I'm going to put 99 and 95. Now, I'm going to put 99 in that under take, that shade, that three take. Yeah. Woo-hoo-hoo-hoo. I'm going to put Miles Garrett. Because you know Miles Garrett, all he do is go up and down the line, turn on the door handle, see which one open. Where do you want? Hey, you know when you was a kid, you used to go up. Hey, I wouldn't this type of kid, but you pull him to your hand and see what car open, and maybe you go in there and gamble something.
26:20Shannon Sharpe:You know what I'm saying? That's all Miles Garrett do. Hold on. You dummy, you ain't locked your door. I'm gonna stand right here. I'm coming right here. Now, can you imagine if Miles Garrett and Aaron Donald both lined up over the guards? Nah, we can't imagine. Nah. Hell nah, we can't imagine. Come on. Come on, man. Y 'all doing too much now. I know. It's not us. It's not us, Joe. It's not us. organization that's doing too much. That's them. Matter of fact, think about this. Hey, Unk and Joe, think about how versatile Miles Garrett is. Think about how many positions he can play on the field. He can stand up.
26:58He can go down. He can be three techniques. Play the five. He can play the seven.
27:01Shannon Sharpe:He can win the wide nine. He can line up over the center. Yeah, Joe. He that versatile. Man, listen. Hey, Joe, if they add Aaron Donald and bring Aaron Donald back, man, listen here, man. What you saying? I sure hope they play the Cowboys. What I'm saying is that I hope they play the Cowboys. Damn, what you got going on? That's what I'm hoping. Hey, hey, Ocho. You gonna be good. Hey, they play the Cowboys, I'll be on this pony, eh? Hey, Ocho ain't gonna be here to join you and have no fun. Well, you have some too. You be done drug your whole bottle by the time you come on night camp. Because your left tackle going to have a sore eight.
27:41Shannon Sharpe:He going to get tore out the frame. Left tackle, left guard, right guard. Hey, listen. It's going to be hell with my hair there, but if AD come back too? Come on, man. Come on, bro. I think the thing is that if you're a player on this team and you see how they are invested, that they do everything. You know, some teams talk about, you know, we're trying to compete, but you don't go get the pieces necessary. They just talking. The one thing you – hey, since Sean McVay and Leslie got there, I mean, Sean McVay was like this. When he went to that Super Bowl and he lost 13-3 to the Patriots, he said, never again will I only score 13.
28:26Shannon Sharpe:This offense is too potent. He said, we're a quarterback away. Now, Matthew Stafford won the MVP in year 18. What in year 18? Year 17. I mean, I think he was 2009 because Megatron was 2008. So, yeah. So, he's still playing at elite, elite, elite level. And he still got those two guys. And think about it. Devontae got kind of nicked down the end. So Devontae didn't play like the last two or three games. Yeah. You have 17, so this is 18. Yeah. So when you look at it and you look at what they've done, they don't guarantee it. But I like this because I don't think any of these pieces are forced. This is a natural fit.
29:17Shannon Sharpe:They play an over front. Myles Garrett can play his customary position. I like their defense. They got defensive tackles that can get up the field in a hurry. They can run games. Miles Garrett we know can line up anywhere on the defensive line. And you got hell on that. Man. Hey, it's going to be ugly. It's going to be ugly. I knew it was going to happen, Joe. I didn't know what team would actually get him. I didn't see the damn Rams getting him. I felt it would happen too, Ocho, considering the fact that Miles Garrett is probably at his most valuable right now. coming off the sack record. Like, if you the Browns, yeah, you want to package that up, man.
30:02Shannon Sharpe:Hell, he can't – I mean, he can't determine the outcome of a game. You know what I mean? In Cleveland. So, I think this was a good move by Cleveland, by the Browns, but this makes the Rams hella scary. The only thing that concerns you is injury. If they stay healthy, this is not – I know everybody's saying, this is not the Philadelphia Eagles where they go out and they get all these guys that they're talking about, you know, and you heard Vince Young talk about Dream Team. That is not what this is. We're talking about proven commodities. Matthew Stafford is coming off an MVP season. Puka Nakua was in running for the offensive player of the year.
30:37Shannon Sharpe:He led the league in receptions. Devontae Adams led the league in touchdown receptions. Kyron Williams ran the ball over 1 ,100, 1 ,200 yards. So this is not forced. And you got a defense. He's not a system guy. Miles Garrett is your damn system. Facts. Facts. Facts. Ocho told you he can do it all. If you played him in a 3-4, he can stand up and rush. You can play him in a 3-4 and play him at the 5. You can play him in a 7-10. You can play him in a 9, a cowboy. You can play him in a short 9 or wide 9. Yeah. It don't matter. He's that. He's that. He ain't no systems like some quarterback corner.
31:19Shannon Sharpe:I got to play zone coverage or I got to play man coverage. That is not Myles Garrett. He is the preeminent defensive player in all of football. Whoever your favorite defensive player is, he's not better than Myles Garrett. Damn. Hey, to go from the Browns, to go from Cleveland to L.A.? Oh, my God. Hey, do you feel a little bad for Jared Burst going from L.A.? Knowing you're going to be in contention year in and year out, week in and week out, you have a chance. Hold on, hold on. Now he has to go to Cleveland? Hold on. He from Ohio, though. That don't mean you're going to go back there? Hell, you from Arkansas.
31:56Shannon Sharpe:You ain't trying to go back there and live? Yeah, but when I do go to Arkansas, I enjoy it because I'm from there. You go to visit. You know what I mean? How long you stay? I don't know. I don't typically stay. Oh, Joe. You see him rubbing his head? Oh, Joe. You see him rubbing his head? Oh, yeah. Yeah, hey. Hey, it's a different ball game. It's a different ball game. So, I mean, listen. Listen. some people you know as as fans the first thing they'll say well you're still making millions of dollars but when you want to when you're competing you want to compete at the highest level and actually want a chance to win and they come from an environment to come from a culture like that that is consistently and everything is aligned with winning from top to bottom I mean you got to feel some kind of way but listen he can go up there he can go over there and make a difference I'm not going to say I'm not going to say Jared Burkson to make them forget Miles Garrett but he's no slouch he's going to be one of those players that you can plug and pull yeah and they They might not miss a beat defensively because that's just how good he is.
32:53I'm not saying he's Mal Garrett, but he ain't no goddamn smart team. No, I mean, he got 12 sacks.
32:57Shannon Sharpe:He's a defensive rookie of the year. That says something that he's approving. And he's in line for a big contract. He's going to get paid. And the thing that Miles was like, yes, the money is great. $40 million is great. But, man, I take the field. And I already know I ain't got no chance. Unless I get 12 sacks and get two scooping scores and lead to pick sixes, we not winning because offensively that's how challenged we are. As great as Cleveland worked defensively, Ocho and Joe, they ain't got no chance of winning. Who we kidding? Nobody. Got to put up points. And so Cleveland looking at it like, look, we paying a guy$40 million.
33:39Shannon Sharpe:For what? As great as he is. And he's deserving. He's earned that. but we can't win. We can finish and dead last and pay$10 million for Jared Burst until he gets that big contract because his contract coming. He going to be in the 40 meals also. Yeah. Cleveland know. They know what they got to do. Yeah. They know what they got to do. They got no choice. I think Burst is probably about four to five years younger than Miles Garrett. Yeah, I think Miles is about to turn 30 or just turn 30 versus what, 24? Yeah, I think he about 24, 25. Be 25. Miles got to be 29, 30. 30. Okay, yeah. Yeah. Look, you still got to play the games.
34:31Shannon Sharpe:But I tell you what, other than Seattle, who would you rather be? Let's be all the way real. because you make it seem like they were not on the cusp. They were in the championship. Didn't they go to the championship game last year? Didn't Seattle beat them in the championship game? Yeah. Yeah. So they were right there to begin with. It's not like there's some of these teams, like they go load up and they get five, six, seven, eight, nine guys, and they didn't even win the division. They weren't even in the playoffs. The Rams, remember a couple years ago, they gave Philly the toughest test of all the playoffs.
35:15Shannon Sharpe:Mm-hmm. Look.
35:25Shannon Sharpe:It's crazy, man. It's crazy. But take your hat off to Stan Cronkite, to give it less need and those guys over there, the ability. If you think it can help us win a championship, go get it done. Oh, yeah. We'll figure out how to pay for this issue later. Right. Hey, we put that thing on layaway, hey. Hey, with the Super Bowl being back in LA, they trying to make sure they there. There's a good chance. I ain't trying to leave. As a matter of fact, the whole play I run on, I ain't trying to leave. I ain't trying to leave LA. Hey, home field advantage, huh? I'm trying to stay right here. Ooh wee. Hey, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, don't be surprised if 99 come out of retirement.
36:14Shannon Sharpe:Man, that's going to be too wild, bro. Hey, super wild. Think about it. Miles Garrett probably ain't got to deal with all them double teams and stuff. Oh, hell no. Mm-mm. No. No. And it's not like, hey, Fisk a hellraiser too. That D-tackle, they got Fiky from Florida State. Yeah. He ain't nothing to play with. He ain't nothing to play with. And landmine, that linebacker, they good. They good. And I think they got better on the edges. McDuffie going to need to focus back in. He kind of lost his way a little bit, Ocho. I don't know if it was the contract or what was going on. But Seattle, I mean Seattle, the Chiefs, they normally won't let the coroner get to that second contract, Ocho.
37:06Shannon Sharpe:I think they had Ward. I think they might have paid Ward. But remember, they let Sneed go. They let Duffy go. With Tennessee. Cook. I think Cook. Now he's with you guys, Ocho, in Cincinnati. With us, yep. So it's like, look, we don't go past the linebackers as far as pay. Because, I mean, at one point in time, remember they signed Honey Badger to a big-time deal. And then they brought Justin Reed in. Then they let Justin Reed go because they drafted these guys and these guys started playing well. You can't pay everybody. When you got Patrick Mahomes and you got these guys and you got Kelsey and you got some of these offensive linemen that's making and you got Chris Jones and you got Kolofis.
37:52Shannon Sharpe:It's just hard to – Joe, I can't pay everybody. I know. I already know, yeah. That's what everybody tends to run into. Yes. You know, when you have these great teams and you have to start paying people, it starts to, you know, it starts to mess up the team. So you have to figure that out. You have to position yourself well. And that's probably why the Chiefs don't pay none of them corners, huh? Yeah. That's why they don't pay none of them corners. They use that for the mother position. Look, you're not going to have to hold up long because we trust Spags. Spag's going to bring pressure. Spag's going to pressure.
38:32Shannon Sharpe:Pressure, yeah. He loves to play man coverage. And when he feels threatened or he feels you're trying to get into a position to kick a field goal, he's coming to blow everything up. He's coming with a bomb blitz. Anytime. Anytime. He's coming. He's bringing it. So you know, if you threaten him, he's coming with the bomb. He's going to blow it up. Yeah. and the funny thing about it is is the chiefs have done very well hitting on all cylinders with those players and allowing them because they've had success with them they allow them to go and and get those contracts elsewhere because we feel you know what we can plug and place someone else here and just teach them exactly what to do because our money is on the front end it's up front and we we feel we can get somebody to replace you anyway and that that's honestly, that's their process.
39:21That's the way they think it.
39:23Shannon Sharpe:They are, because if you look at it, Ocho, you look at they drafted Chris Jones. They drafted Coloptus. They drafted McDuffie. They drafted Watson. They drafted all these young players, and they hit on them. And so when you draft and you have that kind of success, you're like, you know what? Hey, hell, we'll draft another one. What the hell we got to overpay for this one? Just go draft another one. The only thing that they're going to constantly overpay is 1-5. you're going to pay him. He's worth every penny. As long as the sun come up, he's going to get paid. He controls everything. I don't give a damn what you got on offense.
40:00Shannon Sharpe:I don't give a damn what you got on defense. He makes it work.
40:06Shannon Sharpe:He pulls all the strings. Now it's going to be interesting to see what he's like five, six months removed from surgery. A very serious knee surgery. He had a lot of damage to that knee. We'll see. We still a ways away. Just not June. and we still got July. So he's still got basically 10 weeks, maybe even 12 weeks, because the season doesn't start. He's probably not going to even play in the preseason. Hell, he'd never do. I mean, Andy might play him once. But, no, they are. I don't even see that. And you're looking at the – there's a massive gap between them and the next place, Ravens, Bills, and Seahawks.
40:41Shannon Sharpe:Bengals and Cowboys have the 14th best odds.
40:46Damn.
40:48Shannon Sharpe:y 'all got the 14th best hell ain't but 32 teams so that means y 'all down in the middle of the pack and listen that's exactly where we were that's exactly where we were in 2021 in the middle of the pack that's exactly where we did last year defensively hold on let me we're not worried about last year last year's gone we talk about we talk about this upcoming season and based on what we did in the offseason based on what we did in the draft our defense has improved tremendously based on what it looked like hell would it look like the past two three years i have faith you got faith huh and i'm not talking i'm not talking about faith the size of a mustard seed i'm talking about i'm talking about that real faith oh interesting huh yeah talk to me talk hey talk to me in september do that i would talk because i already know i i talked to y 'all because you know how y 'all start off ocho i get between you in october when y 'all wanted three oh oh you know how y 'all do ocho you know how y 'all start i'm supposed to i get to you i talk to you in october i don't really say too much in september okay okay okay yeah hey hey joe i'm excited for your cowboys too boy what you laughing at all it's looking hey see hey i'm i'm being serious i i don't i don't look at i listen hey joe when it comes to the cowboys i don't look at the defensive side of the ball that's not my thing i look at the offense side of the ball how high power we are yeah I'm picking up what you're putting down.
42:12I love Dak. I love Dak. I'm one of the few who've always supported Dak, and what he's been able to do, obviously, they have some shortcomings. They stalled out in the playoffs most of the time simply because the defense has let them down big time.
42:28Shannon Sharpe:We should have... I ain't saying there's going to be a drastic change, but we should have a huge improvement defensively. We should, huh? We should be alright. Hey, okay, old Joe. Hey, look. I know y 'all gonna be on me by my cowboys, but I - No, no, no, no. I'm with you, Joe. I'm with you, Joe. I love the addition of George Pickens that Woody was able to do last year, especially when CeeDee Lamb went out. The only thing, the only problem I did have, Joe, is - That they didn't pay him. Ooh, oh, yeah. And I'm hoping if he plays on that franchise tag, Joe, please, I mean, God, you know, don't get hurt.
43:05Just don't get hurt. He ain't gonna get hurt, Joe. Yeah, please don't get hurt. What Jerry's telling you is we want you to bet on yourself. We bet. We don't think you can do it again. Kenny, I want him to go out there and do it again and prove him wrong. I want him to have a poop in the pool type season. And if he don't get his money there, he's going to get it somewhere else.
43:22Shannon Sharpe:I want him to have a JSN type season. Yes, sir. Hey, I do too. Because he had one of them, that mean we in a good damn spot. You right. Guess what? All I know is when the rubber needs to meet the road, come playoff time, go look at Dak's resume in the postseason. We got to get there first. Can we get to the regular season? Can we get to the postseason? We got to get to the regular season first just to get to the postseason. We can't jump right to the postseason. I still ain't in love with your defense. I still ain't. You ain't got to be in love. We want them to be solid. They ain't got to be worldly.
43:56Shannon Sharpe:They just got to be solid. Hold on. So you don't want them to be solid. You got the Rams in that. You got Seattle in that. You got the 49ers and you just want them to be solid? You can run out of the stadium. Hey, Joe. Hey, that defense is important, Joe. I get that, Ocho. I get that. I get that. Y 'all going to put up points. Hey, y 'all going to put up points, Joe. Ocho. Y 'all going to put up points. Their defense, Quentin Williams, Kenny Clark, Rashawn Gary, O 'Rashawn, D-Winners. I don't even know how to pronounce this guy. Kobe Durant, who came from the Rams. Jalen Thompson, Malik Hooker, Deron Bland, and Caleb Downs.
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50:01Shannon Sharpe:We do not know that. Look at you talking. You say I ain't talking, Ocho. You say I ain't talking, you talking big. Hold on. Y 'all gonna win the NFC East? Yeah. You know who in your division? Yeah. Who? We got the Giants, the Commanders, the Eagles. So you think y 'all gonna beat the Eagles? Hell yeah. Joe, y 'all schedule. Y 'all start with the Giants. Then you got the Commanders, B-more, at Houston. Dub, dub. Houston. Y 'all got the Texans. Y 'all get Tampa at home, at Green Bay, at Philly. Woo! Woo! Hey, Joe, that's rough, Joe. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. And December the 20th, y 'all go at the Rams.
50:53Shannon Sharpe:Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. Man, listen. I knew I knew you. I knew I knew you. I'm looking at the schedule. I'm thinking y 'all really talking about something. Y 'all ain't talking about nothing. Okay. Y 'all ain't tellin' my name? We gon' pop the Giants. Yeah, yeah, yeah, y 'all get the Giants. Yeah, and now we need a little momentum to get us going. You ain't gonna be the slowest down now. Can you - Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You guaranteeing a win against the Giants already? Yeah, week one. G, Joe, the season ain't even started yet. Yeah, I don't care. I'm telling you what's gon' happen. Okay.
51:28Shannon Sharpe:Ooh, and y 'all got the Houston Texans. Woo! Woo! Hey, hey, Joe. will answer just got that paper and he be coming hey hey that texan defense nasty joe and listen wait till y 'all see wait till y 'all see us what's he i'll see our defense what's your i'll see our revamped defense lj go like man look here oh you already know how l jack do y 'all defense that i don't know what it is about y 'all but l jack just do something bad to y 'all Hey, you like Caleb Downs, huh? Yeah, I like Caleb. I like Caleb. I like Caleb. I like Caleb Downs to make an immediate impact. Immediate impact. One thing, the problem is, can we stop the run?
52:11And I said we. I'm just saying we in context, Joe, because I'm on your side. I want the Cowboys to have success. I want the Cowboys to succeed. I want Cowboys fans to have something to cheer about for a change, especially in the postseason. so I'm hoping they play well. Offensively, they're going to be all world. They're going to be all world offensively. Can the defense show up when it matters most?
52:32Shannon Sharpe:Right. I got you, Ocho. Go ahead, Ocho. Go ahead. I want to know, can their offense show up? All them points, all that high-flying stuff, Ocho, we've seen it before. When they get to the postseason, we saw them. We saw Jordan Love going there as a first-year starter and drop 48. Yeah. Ooh. We saw that. We see them every year do this. Dak throwing the ball up and down the field. Dak, you know, MVP discussion. And then he'll throw a dud in there, but then he'll pick it back up. And then when they get to the playoffs, they might get past that first round. Might not. It's 50-50. But when they get to that second round, you already know.
53:11Shannon Sharpe:They're not going past the second round. Yeah. The boy came in and done us something dirty. I ain't going to even lie to you. That one hurt. Falling eight on y 'all. But hey, hey, hey. But as long as our defense is better, man, because we had a lot of guys coming in and go for career highs on us and all that. Ain't going to do it again. In our own house. Ain't going to do it again. That's what I didn't understand. You know what I mean? I'm like, I understand. So hopefully. What don't you understand? Maybe Ocho and I can clear it up for you. Bro, I get the defense to get had some holes. Hopefully we done filled some of them holes and we'll be a lot better.
53:48Shannon Sharpe:That's what I'm saying. But what you filled them with? Concrete? We added a few pieces. Come on. I'm just trying to figure out what you feel the whole way up here. Come on. Come on. We're going to show you all better than we can tell you. How about that? I'm here for it, Joe. I'm here for it. Hey, see Joe? See Joe? That's not me. I'm talking good about the Cowboy, Joe. That's ump. I mean, he hating on them boys. Nah, he going to slick hate on the Cowboy. That's okay, though. Hey, hey, don't sleep on Jacksonville. The Jags coming to town, too. Oh, oh, oh. Yeah, they going to be - Oh, Joe, you know they got Seattle on a Monday night in Seattle?
54:23Shannon Sharpe:The Cowboys. Well, that's going to be a good one, Joe. Y 'all ain't like we scared. You should be petrified. No, no. Hey, you know the Super Bowl champs, huh? Yeah, I already know, man. I already know. I already know. Hopefully, old Sam Donovan got a little Super Bowl hangover. You know? Nobody has no hangover when they play the Cowboys. they don't they don't let's go 12th man we about to take our show on the road we about to be like hey wherever the Cowboys go we go to see that ass cutting it's like we get everybody best game it's like the Lakers everybody show up put their best game on the Lakers I already know it I know it let me try I'm gonna get y 'all record let me see 1, 2, 3, 4 5 six yeah i see y 'all 11 and six maybe 10 and seven winning the division right overall that's the best y 'all got oh so we ain't got y 'all on there nah nah y 'all don't want them problems but joe no no disrespect y 'all don't want them problems uh here he go yeah hey hey that that offense over there is a juggernaut boy you ain't that you don't want none of that man i've been i've been praising y 'all and showing much love now let's let's not get carried away please i'm just i'm gonna have to uh i'm gonna have to shake our pockets on that uh on that september 27 game are y 'all gonna bet something oh you want to right yes oh you go that's that's a home game but old l jack got something for y 'all we do that yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah oh it's in brazil joe yeah y 'all go across the water get your last kick.
56:11Shannon Sharpe:Damn. Y 'all go well there. Hey, where that big old Jesus? Hey. Big old Jesus. How did y 'all let that get away from love? Because now, it used to be you was able to protect the home game. The NFL did away with that. You're not allowed to protect no game. We send you where we want you to go. Won't you? Come on, man. Hey, Joe, we try We trying to grow the game globally, huh? Yeah. We trying to grow the game globally because the more eyes and the more viewership outside of the states. And we want y 'all to get beat in front of an international audience. It ain't good enough to see y 'all get y 'all ass kicked in front of us.
56:56Shannon Sharpe:Hey, this is what we need right here. Hey, this is the type of bulletin board material we need right here for y 'all to keep bashing us and watch this show up and show the hell out. Who is y 'all, Joe? Huh? What about over there laughing, Kiki and what? I see what going on. We're trying to act like you would have been with them. We want y 'all to go overseas. Let them see how y 'all get two up. Hold on, Joe. I've been showing support because I love the Cowboys offensively. I ain't even said nothing bad. But you Kiki and Ha Ha with Unk and all, man. I'm Kiki and what he's saying is funny.
57:33Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Let's go, Cowboys. Let's go, Cowboys. Look here, man. You ask me this joke. I mean, you want me to talk about the Cowboys, your Cowboys, your Cowboys. Okay. Yeah, we gonna show y 'all. We gonna show y 'all. Hey man, listen, I'm a CD lamb. I'm a George Pickens and Dak fan, man. Through and through, that's it. All right, okay. We appreciate the love and support, Ocho. Don't let Ocho fool you. See, Ocho just butted. See, Ocho just butted. All right, hey, hey, hey. Hey, I'm gonna play the game with him, Mark. I know what's going on. nah i'm not i i don't know it shows support for them boys man you know i just don't like the way you know jerry conduct things that's all what's that that statue is called the great redeemer right i think it's called the great redeemer yeah i don't want to overlook you that's that's the one like this i don't like what i see with them cowboys today christ the redeemer yes see i'm sorry joe Yo.
58:29Shannon Sharpe:It's all good, watch. I want y 'all to watch and pay attention. As soon as y 'all get back, what you call them? The Houston Texans, then y 'all gotta go to Houston. They gonna put pussy in. Ooh, that's tough. That's tough. Philly. Hey, that got damn, that got damn. Nah, we ain't going. We ain't going. We ain't going. Hey, Joe. What's up? That Battle of Texas, boy, Derek Stingley. Woo! Oh, yeah. And Lasseter. Woo! And what's that safety? What's that safety to be coming down here? Bullock? They got another safety. What's that safety there? Petrie. Petrie. Petrie. Huh? Man, hey. Woo! Hey, them boys, nice, Joe.
59:15They got a really good defense. I know, I know. I know he's got a great defense. Woo!
59:20Shannon Sharpe:I know. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. And shit. Uh, uh, uh, uh. What's the linebacker? Al Shear? Oh, hey. Hey, Al Shear could play in any era, Unc. He wanted him. I'm scared, Joe. He could play in any era. Yeah, and I'm scared of that. Oh, Lord. We all that they done last year and the previous year, they're going to have to show us again. That's what they're going to have to do. They're going to have to show us again. Oh, they're not a problem. Yeah, okay. All right, okay. I mean, honestly, they've been the best team in Texas. know for the past two three years yeah oh yeah yeah they ain't one nothing what they want i mean what you all done one that's what i'm saying so we wasn't what yeah you act like they won the super bowl or something whoa whoa whoa i ain't said they won the super bowl i'm just saying hey calm down calm down i'm just saying you act like they just oh my goodness god damn yeah you act like they heading shows above us like they were just in the super bowl or something man What the hell?
1:00:22Shannon Sharpe:They ain't done that. All right. Hey, I think they have to. Who you calling? 9-1-1, what's your emergency? I just been threatened. My co-host, ISO Joe, I be real. He, I and Ojo were just talking about these games. And he's threatening us. I'm scared.
1:00:43Shannon Sharpe:Hey, what you got going on? Hey, hey. Hey, so, you know, I just, I feel some type of way. I mean, I'm just trying to have a conversation with him and he just goes, he goes, he goes ballistic. Yeah, he a little aggressive, his tone. Calm down, son. Whoa, whoa, hey, hey. Are you familiar with the guy? So where is the person that's being aggressive right now? He's in his basement in Atlanta. What's his name? Joseph Johnson. He's a six foot seven black male. Hey, you gotta chill. You know how they get when they get animated? He's animated right now. He's raising his voice. Oh my gosh, stop it, Joe, Joe.
1:01:31Shannon Sharpe:Okay, stop, I hear you, I understand. Yes, can you get him to calm down? Joe, they said he gonna send help and you don't, stop it. You gotta give him the whole government. Yeah, it seem like Octobin and Spence is here. Hey, Joe, hey, what's up? You over there role playing? If it locks up, then yeah. Okay. Hey, Joe, I mean, this is what you forced me to do, man. I mean, nah, I'm just saying, bro. I'm just saying, come on, man. Hey, you been over there role playing? I see you got the police. You know what I'm saying? You have the right to reign silent. Anything that you say can't be used against you in the court of law.
1:02:14Shannon Sharpe:You have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford one, one will be afforded to you. Do you understand these rights and I've read them to you? I do, sir. I do. I gotta write this down, cause I gotta do that. I gotta add that role play. I ain't never been a policeman. Oh man, here we go. Y 'all see how quick the police showed up? I see. Come on, man. Hey Joe. What's up? Hey, that'll spice up your love life right there too now. Dun, dun, dun, dun. Look, look, look. The role play, you be the fireman? They call me, they call me, I'm Joe Friday. Y 'all remember Dragnet, Joe Friday? Just the facts, man.
1:03:00Shannon Sharpe:I be, dang, Joe. I'm just saying, man. Oh, man, hey, what you call them got, damn. The Rams got the Broncos on a Monday night, like the third week. Oh. Well, that's gonna be rough for y 'all, huh? Yeah, hey, now y 'all know we get after the quarterback now. Don't do that. Yeah. Y 'all know we get after the quarterback. I hear you. But you know that ball coming out fast, huh? Both of them coming out fast. Hey, y 'all know we got Sertan on that thing now. What's Sertan going to do with Devontae Adams? What's Sertan going to do with Pooke in the pool? We can only do something with one of them. Hey, I got a count on Riley Moss to hold up his ear.
1:03:44Shannon Sharpe:Now he on the contract here. Oh, he going to get it done. sure hope so and he ain't gonna have no choice hey i i hate the fact that most teams look at riley moss as the fish i don't want i don't want to look at him as the fish hey yes you be hey i'm telling that thing i put that little wayne on mr officer
1:04:07Shannon Sharpe:like a cop car yeah yeah yeah i mean come on joe i need you to i need you to chill out man damn that i needed miles gary to be with them oh man man you'd be you'd be unruly joe come on now what you mean you would we wouldn't go and i wouldn't be able to handle you you'd have been talking you're probably right talking reckless you probably you're probably right you're probably right i ain't gonna lie to you you're probably right well you can talk right you can talk reckless because of your offense though it ain't gonna lie alone yeah but we can the way we couldn't stop no damn body last year ocho it wasn't even funny bro yeah hey i'm with you i'm wishing when you're right, but you can lean on your offense, man.
1:04:45You can talk reckless. Arguably, depending on who you ask, you have the best duo at receiver in the NFL. Now, that's a great argument.
1:04:55Shannon Sharpe:Me, you ain't know that. You know that. I mean, you a little biased. You a little biased because you got Higgins. I said arguably the best. I know. I know. I'm saying it. But you a little biased because of your Bengals with Chase and Higgins. I get all that. They tough now. But them boys serious, bro. We going to be ready. Watch. Pekins going to have another hell of a season this year. Watch your whole time. Yeah. And then guess what? Beep. Beep. Beep. Beep. Beep. That going to be that Brinks truck backing up at his front door. Yeah. It ain't going to be in Dallas, though. Oh, man, please. Huh?
1:05:38Hey, Joe, if they believed in him, you know they would have paid him this year, huh?
1:05:41Shannon Sharpe:They are going to pay him, Ocho. Mm-mm. Joe, you don't understand how that man work up there. Since 2016, the Ram, in 2016, they traded Jared Goff and they got Matthew Stafford. In 2017, they didn't have a first-round pick. 18, no first-round pick. 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, no first-round pick. In 24, they selected Jared Burst, who was eventually traded for Miles Garrett. In 25, they had none. In 26, they selected Ty Simpson. In 27, they don't have one. And guess what? They probably go trade 28 too. Yep. Hey, and they ain't missed a beat. Nope. They ain't missed a beat. The hell with them picks. Right.
1:06:27Shannon Sharpe:They know how they do it. Still.
1:06:32Ma 'am, just calm down, sir.
1:06:34Shannon Sharpe:Just calm down. Now, what's your complaint? Joe Johnson over there being irate. Joe Marcus. Oh, Marcus. They called him the Armadillo Cowboy. That's what they say on Twitter and everything. I was provoked. I was provoked, sir. I was provoked. They antagonizing me and all kind of things. Hey, look, I had to react. I don't know what you want. I'm just trying to. Garrett released a statement we're going to put that statement up there for you guys to read I mean I think he said something about the fact that falling in love is easy isn't that what he said the crux of it I saw
1:07:21Shannon Sharpe:that man with his hat brother yes
1:07:29Shannon Sharpe:said Harlem really put in the word what it really means life shaped in one place and around one team and with one community behind you. I mean, it is tough. I mean, look, no matter what you think, obviously they weren't going to win no championship or weren't going to contend for a championship while he was there. But that's the team that believed enough in him to select him number one overall. That's where he made a name for himself there. He did that. That community embraced him. They did that. Yeah. But Cleveland did him a solid. Not only did they pay him once, They paid him twice, and they gave him an opportunity to go compete for a championship.
1:08:09Shannon Sharpe:There's nothing else left for him to do, not Ocho. He's got the all pros. He's got the defensive player of the year. Now the only thing left is to challenge for a championship. That's what the great – he wants to be like, hey, all the great – when I look at – when he looks at Ray Lewis and he looks at Bruce Smith and he looks at Reggie Weiss and he looks at some of Aaron Donalds, a lot of those guys – Michael Strahan. Strahan and Deion. They got an opportunity to challenge for a Super Bowl. Give him that. Give him that. Don't let the man wallet a mediocrity his whole career. Not him. The team that he's playing for.
1:08:51Shannon Sharpe:And I commend Jimmy Haslam. I commend Andrew Barry for allowing that man to get his walking papers and go somewhere for a championship. And all three teams, I mean, we believe all three teams will be vying for a playoff contention this year. The Eagles, we know what the Eagles represent. They've gone to two Super Bowls in the last four years. The Rams are always going to be there. The Cowboys, hey, they believe this year is their year. We're going to find out. We're going to find out. Let's go. But Myles Garrett traded today for Jared Burse, a 27 first round pick, a 28 second round pick, and a 29 third round pick.
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