Nightcap Hour 1: Cade Cunningham AND Pistons DOMINATE Knicks + Joe PREDICTS Pistons Will MAKE NBA FINALS + Cade Cunningham Says He’s BEST AMERICAN Player + Joel Embiid WOULD TRADE MVP for HEALTHY POSTSEASON Run

13:20I'm telling you, we going to look

13:22Chad Johnson:up in a couple months and boys, they got a chance to make it to the finals, bro. They absolutely have a chance.

13:29Joe Johnson:Hold on, Joe. Hold on, Joe. Hold on. Now, I know Cade Cunningham is very nice. I know he's very good, but you think they can make it to the finals?

13:39Chad Johnson:Yes, Ocho. They got a great young team, man. They got a – they deep, too. And they got guys who come off the bench who can win you some games in the playoffs as well. You know, and they're a gritty team. You know, say what you want about big fella Stewart who always, you know, obviously got suspended. But you need – yeah, you know, hey, listen. When they get these guys back full strength, bro, they going to feed off that energy right there. And, you know, you want a dude like that, man. You want to intimidate or agitate a guy who's going to go out there and, you know, be the muscle for the squad.

14:12Chad Johnson:I just think they got everything you could want in a team, like from shooting to, you know, obviously a go-to guy in Cade who gets – I mean, come on tonight, man. He looked great tonight. He did. He looked phenomenal. Go ahead.

14:28Joe Johnson:And I got a question. I got a basketball question for both of you. As great as Cade Cunningham looked tonight, as great as he looked last year, where is he right now? in your list of top players in the league? Oh, right now.

14:41Shannon Sharpe:He's up there.

14:42Joe Johnson:Is he up there with Shea and Ant-Man? Luca. Is he in that same stratosphere?

14:48Chad Johnson:Yeah, he up there, Ocho. Look, they number one seed in the East. They're going to finish with the number one seed. I agree. They got a nice bitch. Hey, look, did y 'all see over All-Star weekend, he dropped his new shoe? He just got a signature shoe. I saw a little bit of it. You know, I was trying to, you know, trying to. He with Nike. I'm talking about his signature shoe that he just dropped during All-Star break. I would probably say Uncle Ocho. Serious business from a sneaker head. That put him in, like, the top five of sneakers. Like, it's cold. Oh, yeah, when you get a signature from one of the big dogs.

15:26Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. You that boy, huh?

15:28Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, and you putting them numbers up, too. You hear me? Yeah. Yeah, Detroit got him one for it.

15:33Shannon Sharpe:Hey. You know, they got guys, if you look at them from a bench standpoint, they got Karis LaVert, they got Jenkins. They got guys, Herter didn't even play tonight. He can make big shots. He can make threes. They got guys that LaVert can knock down threes, but he can put the ball on the floor. I like Jenkins. He was super aggressive tonight. But, you know, it's around Cade and Jalen. And when those two guys, and like you said, both of those guys, Stewart and Duren, is serving suspension. So they'll be back. Thompson played well tonight. Tobias, he didn't shoot the ball well tonight, but he rebounded the ball extremely well.

16:11Shannon Sharpe:Had five assists. He was 4-16. Tobias is better than that. But if he can just give them some consistency, he give them somewhere 12 points, Joe and Ocho. He give them those rebounds. He give them somewhere 7-10 rebounds, 3-6 assists. That's plenty enough. Because Durant's going to give you, he's going to give double-double. He's a walking double-double. So, K is going to do what he does. He's going to be somewhere around 24-10. And then to bench chip in with what they got. I don't – when you look at them and I know, look, Jalen Brunson is going to be Jalen Brunson. He's going to get his points.

16:46Joe Johnson:Yeah.

16:47Shannon Sharpe:He's going to get his points. Cat didn't play bad tonight. He was 7-14. But Cat got – I don't know what it is with Cat. What do you mean he wasn't bad tonight? He wasn't 7-14. I need a little bit more. I need a little bit more. I need some more shots. Sometimes I'm watching him tonight, Joe. He go to the basket super-duper weak. They be knocking the ball out of his hands. They be blocking the shots. I say, come on, Cat.

17:15Chad Johnson:Cat will finesse big. He'll finesse big. He ain't coming in there with that power and authority.

17:20Shannon Sharpe:You can't just pull the ball out of his hand, knock it off his knee. They block his shot. I was like, come on, Cat. At seven foot tall, at some point in time, he got to put somebody in the basket, and then they'll start doing all that foolishness.

17:32Joe Johnson:Yeah, I mean, he is what he is at this point. If he hadn't done it before, as long as he's been in the league, it ain't in him.

17:40Chad Johnson:And you know what's surprising, though? It's like the Knicks got these wing defenders, but, man, Detroit made it look so easy. 126 points, Ocho.

17:49Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Man, you ain't guarding nobody. It didn't matter. It didn't matter who they did. They put OG. They put Hart. They put Bridges. They didn't have no answer for K tonight. Now, he was super, he was super, super. He got up 34 shots. I can't remember last time, Joey, I think off the top of my head, I've seen somebody get up this many shots. So he was super aggressive from the jump. I think he had like 19 shot attempts in the first half. I'm like, well, damn.

18:14Chad Johnson:Yeah, hey, but I like that, though, because he knows he has to assert himself early in this game. It's a big game. You know what I mean? This is the second half of the season, Ocho. Yeah. We coming down, you know, jockeying for position, or necessarily if you're in Detroit's case, you want to stay at number one. You know, you don't want to squander none of these games away. So I just thought he came out and was aggressive. You missing one of your all-stars. You missing another. You're running, mate. You got your muscle. He out. So you know you're going to have to do a lot more. A lot is going to be asked of you.

18:43Chad Johnson:But listen, he said, man, put it on my back, partner. Yeah, I can handle that. You know what I'm talking about? That boy came out and did his thing. For 42 and 13 assists.

18:51Shannon Sharpe:And if you think about it, they got guys like Duncan Robinson can knock down threes. Herter can knock down threes. They got guys that can knock down threes if you start to slough or you try to double him. And he's a good enough passer because he made some passes tonight. You got to. It's hard for one guy. And if he did this to the Knicks in the way they play defense with OG and Hart and Mikael Bridges, if he did this to them, ain't a whole lot of other teams have a group of defenders that can defend him any better than what the Knicks did tonight. Now, you just hope he has an off night because he's playing with extreme confidence.

19:25Shannon Sharpe:And, Joe, you know this. with Ocho, we had the same feeling. Once you go to a Pro Bowl, you go to an All-Star game, you have a sense, a belief that I belong. I'm one of the guys. You're looking around. I'm one of the 12. I'm one of the 24 best players in the NBA. I'm one of the 24 best players, one of the 48 best players in the NFL. I belong now. Now your confidence goes through the roof.

19:50Chad Johnson:Oh, man. Oh, y 'all got hell.

19:51Shannon Sharpe:Y 'all can never let me come across the water.

19:54Chad Johnson:Oh, yeah. It's a – in real talk, it take you to a whole other level because the belief and confidence that you have in yourself, and then once you're amongst the top elite talent in the NBA for one weekend, then you kind of start to see how things are starting to shape out. Then you go back into the season with so much confidence, like, listen, it's my turn now. And I just feel like that's kind of where K was at and kind of piggyback off what Unk said. Once he gets going like that, now the mother guys, Duncan Robinson, now they can get some shots. You know what I mean? Thompson gets some easy shots because he's so aggressive, Ocho.

20:31Chad Johnson:He got so much attention on him that, you know, he making plays for everybody. You know what I mean? And I think that's why it's going to be hard to stop them, bro, because in the playoffs when everything slows down, he can post up. He can play out the post. So then he can pick you apart almost on some like yokish type. You know what I mean? But I think Detroit going to be something to reckon with. I'm telling y 'all, man, y 'all, we going to look up. Them boys going to be in the finals in June. I agree. I think they're definitely going to be something.

20:58Shannon Sharpe:And when you're looking around, and Cade is looking around, he's like, hold on. I see KD. I see Steph. I see Jokic. I see LeBron. Now, I see guys in year 23. I see guys in year 17. I see you guys. I'm like, hold on. In the next three, four years, I mean, they keep talking about who going to be the face. why can't I be? I'm here. If I'm here. Hello. Even if they didn't send for me. I came anyway. There you go. So it don't matter. So it's just something. When you go to the Pro Bowl, Ocho, and we speak at football players, and I look across and I'm like, damn. I see Jerry. I see Playmaker. I see Joe.

21:43Shannon Sharpe:I see, oh, Barry, time. Then I look at my own squad. I got Brucey, Elway, Marina.

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24:35Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Warren Moon? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm him. I'm him down with this. Yeah. Y 'all ain't going to tell me nothing. Y 'all going to catch hell. to keep me from coming back over here. Hey, hey.

24:47Chad Johnson:And not only that, Uncle Ocho, I done came out, they done gave me my signature shoe, so you know I got to show out. Yeah, man. Yeah, so now when I touch the court, you know, you see them red things on my feet, yeah, I'm finna get to it. I'm finna show y 'all why I got my signature shoe. That's basically what, that's what Kays said. Yeah, and I told them to make sure they red,

25:06Shannon Sharpe:because I'm finna clown all you punks. Hello, is it fashion week? Because I'm here to show, I'm here to walk around. I ain't never seen a clown with any other color shoes but red. And they bigger than they supposed to be.

25:17Joe Johnson:You know what, Joe? You could probably attest to this, Joe. What's that? Like when confidence sets in, you play with confidence. Joe, at some point you play with confidence at the highest level. And I'm thinking what confidence did for me when it comes to the NFL. And I'm going to see if it transitions or translate over to the NBA. When I was confident in the game, when you talk about the game of football, You talk about the game of basketball at the highest level. It's so goddamn fast, Joe. It's so goddamn fast. But when you have confidence and you get in that zone and you're confident in what you're doing and you know what's going on, the game seems so slow at that point.

25:55Chad Johnson:Yeah.

25:56Joe Johnson:Once you get confidence, everything is not moving in slow motion, but it's not as fast as people say it is because that confidence does. It does. It just does something to you. I don't really know how to put it into words. most of the time before kickoff. I'm nervous, Joe. I got butterflies in my stomach, Joe. I done talk trash all week. Why the hell am I nervous? Why the hell am I not scared, but there's a certain fear to it until I touch that ball, Joe. Once I touch that ball early in the game, it just do something to you. I don't know how to explain it. I don't know if it's like that with basketball.

26:29Joe Johnson:You make your first shot. I don't know how it goes. Confidence is one hell of a drug. It's a high.

26:37Chad Johnson:It's everything. Ocho, yeah. You make them in basketball, boy, you make that first shot or two, it's a wrap. It's a heat check about to come out to that and somebody in trouble. It's the same way in football.

26:50Shannon Sharpe:Hey, Ocho, you know you catch the first pass, you get a 35-yard touchdown. You're like, hold on. I already got 35 yards and a touchdown? Oh, y 'all in trouble. Y 'all in trouble. And don't let me have, hey, three catches and I got 70 yards already and we still in the first quarter. We early in the second. Oh, I'm getting a hundred. Oh, I'm getting a hundred. Absolutely. Man, hey, you ain't getting nothing. Shut up! I'm in the end zone. You talking about I ain't going to get nothing. Just say I'm going to get nothing else because I already got this one.

27:22Chad Johnson:Yeah. Ain't nothing like getting off to a good start. Nothing. Ain't nothing like it. Ain't nothing like it, Jordan. Because it seems like it just takes you through the whole momentum of the game it's like everything kind of goes your way you know what i mean and you don't have to even try hard you know it's just like it's like in basketball sometimes you know okay ocho you can be playing if you're a guy who really don't score or really don't want to shoot the balls like the ball will find you yeah you know what i mean in basketball it's kind of similar there but it's like in a rhythm it's like i don't anything i do bro it works yeah for whatever

27:56Shannon Sharpe:reason you know what i mean and like you said i mean just everything they call it i'm the second read. I'm the third read. And lo and behold, I get like, damn. Okay. Appreciate it. And everything is just flowing like, oh, man. Hey, what you like? Call whatever you want. Call or run, I'm gonna be over. Call whatever you like.

28:21Chad Johnson:The playbook is my playground now. Hey, listen, but on another note, it's been games, so I done winning the games. I'm talking about feeling good, warmed up. I'm talking about a boy couldn't hit Nathan out there. You know what I mean? It's been like my body feels good. I'm like, I'm ready to go. I'm off tonight. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's been days, man, I done feel good and been off.

28:45Shannon Sharpe:The best game I ever had, Joe. I didn't do nothing that week of practice. I was like, man, I don't even know why I'm out here practicing. That game against Kansas City, I think I caught like full class the whole week of practice, Joe. The whole week of practice. The whole week? Yes. and then we get and the thing is I only had like 30 yards at the half Ocho I had 30 yards at the half end up with 214 damn boy you went crazy in the second half huh cool they had you know cause you know at half Ocho we draw plays up this is what we like okay this is what they're doing to this that we they said hey 84 we gonna come out with the counter pass just make sure hey just make sure I was like counter pass bro you call that one you call that on Wednesday I ain't see that itch no more.

29:31Shannon Sharpe:Right, right. It's okay. Boy, if we ran that counter, them linebackers stuck. They took one step. I said, if you take one step, you bet. Oh, you took a step. God dang it. It's a wrap. Ocho, I had a TV. They were trying to get me, but I had a TV, Ocho. Yeah. I had that TV up under my arm, Ocho. They couldn't catch me. Yeah. But it's like that. Sometimes you have a great week of practice. You just like, no, oh, this 100 easy. This 102 jobs, Ocho. This easy work here. Get in the game, I got three for 30.

30:10Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, hey, listen. Hey, look, if you the lost, you really mad about this. Oh, yeah. Oh. Yeah, yeah. You probably can take three for 30 and have a - Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure. Look, you still gonna feel a way, but you, we won, but yeah.

30:26Shannon Sharpe:We just got to make sure we do We're going to do a better job We got to get you more involved It ain't going to do no good now That game over

30:37Shannon Sharpe:Y 'all pull that boy job again Y 'all might have to get the police The po-po involved I remember them days

30:46Joe Johnson:I remember them conversations Hey Receiver coach tried to come talk to you I know you ain't touched the ball yet I know that. Hey, it's been three quarters.

30:56Shannon Sharpe:We going into the fourth. What are we doing? And then guess what they asked you, Ocho? What you like. I like you to get the F out of my face. That's what I would really like because I'm about to blow my – I'm about to lose it. Yeah. You want to talk about what I like, what it's looking like, what they doing. You ask me that now. We down 14 and they got the ball and you talking about what I like.

31:19Joe Johnson:Boy, I remember – oh, my goodness. Get out of my face.

31:22Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

31:23Joe Johnson:Oh, them were classic days. Hey, good memories.

31:26Shannon Sharpe:Man. Good memories. Man. But 54 games into the season, Detroit Pistons has the worst. They have the best record in the NBA. Were they right there with, what you call them? With the OKC. 54 games into the season, Detroit had the worst record in 2024. What a difference a couple years make because now Cade Cunningham is averaging 27. 25 and a half points, almost 26 points a game, almost six rebounds a game, almost 10 assists a game, 1.5 steals per game. He leads the league in assists. He's leading the East in plus minus and the best player on the best team. He's going to get some serious, serious MVP votes.

32:13Shannon Sharpe:Because I think the thing is, Jokic and Giannis is probably going to be out of it. They're not going to play enough games.

32:18Chad Johnson:Right. They missed too many games? Yep. Yeah. And it depends on, I'm sure Shea should be back.

32:25Shannon Sharpe:Shea ain't going to probably play enough games, but it ain't going to be as defending because now you look at it, because last year they were so much, the record was so good. But right now you look at it, okay, Kane's like, hold on, I'm playing neck and neck. He's averaging more points, but I'll average more rebounds on assists. And my team, my record is just as good as his.

32:47Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah. So we got a couple more months to see. because right now, yeah, you're right. They about neck and neck. One can pull away from the other just depending on, obviously, team success. Right. And obviously, you know, the numbers those guys are going to have to continue to put up.

33:02Shannon Sharpe:But I think Shea being out, it definitely gives us an opportunity to just look at K to focus on K because he's not there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And so, like I said, with Giannis being out, Jokic, I don't know. Jokic can only miss one more game. What's the likelihood he played the next 50 games, Joe? I don't see it happening. You ain't got Luka in there? Yeah, I think Luka's going to be in there. I definitely do think Luka's going to be in there.

33:30Chad Johnson:Yeah, he got a shot in the dark. Yes, yes. The Lakers can stay afloat, maybe even go on a run, continue to push themselves up.

33:38Shannon Sharpe:They need to fall past the four seed, though.

33:39Chad Johnson:They need to be the top four seed. There you go. They got to stay at the top of the West. And I think he'll definitely have a chance. Jalen Brown, too.

33:47Shannon Sharpe:Jalen Brown will get some money.

33:50Chad Johnson:Yes, what are you in? Second place? Second place in the East? Yep. And he's averaging like 27, 28 a game. He definitely going to be in there. 27. Yeah, he probably average. That's probably career high. It is. 28 a game. Huh? Yeah, 28 a game. Yeah, he's like 27, 28 a game. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he definitely going to be in there.

34:08Joe Johnson:They killing the Warriors right now. Yeah, they beat the wave up. Yeah, it's 83-54.

34:13Chad Johnson:The Warriors beat up, man. Without Steph Curry, it just don't even look the same.

34:16Shannon Sharpe:And I think the thing is that when you think about him, he's doing this without Jason Tatum, no Al Horford. They've traded Przingis. They've traded Holiday. And he has them in second place. And he's really the only all-star on that team. Ain't nobody even thinking about all-star. I don't think anybody else other than him know anything about Chuck Taylor. So that's the only all-star they know. So with him playing the way he's playing, he's definitely in the MVP discussion. Yeah.

34:45Chad Johnson:Yeah, and I think Joe Mazzola, he deserves more credit too on Joe the coach because it's basically been plug and play. You know, they got rid of key guys, bro, and just brought in guys off the bench, guys whom they've developed. Right. They've stepped right in and continued to play at a high level. And then you get Vucevic, which a lot of people ain't talking about. That's going to help Boston out too. They got a chance to battle in their East as well.

35:10Shannon Sharpe:He can pull the other big away from the basket. He can play the pick and roll. He can pick and pop. He can dive. He can shoot the three. He can defend. He can weak side help. Oh, he's a solid player. They look. He's a real threat.

35:26Chad Johnson:He's going to be a real threat out there.

35:29Shannon Sharpe:You can kind of play through him a little bit. I did not see this, though, Joe. I ain't going to lie. I did not see the Celtics being this good. Not with all the pieces that JT's not there and the pieces they got rid of. Look, Jalen Brown, he's a finals MVP. He's an Eastern Conference MVP. He's an all-NBA selection. He's an all-star. Okay, fine. But to have the two seed in the East and play, you got to tip your hat to the other side.

35:59Chad Johnson:Okay, Ocho, I think he took everything personal because he's heard all this. He's heard the shots that people took at Boston. Oh, they weren't going to be able to compete. He's heard it from everybody. He's heard it from all of us. So I think he took it personal, honestly, because the numbers that he's putting up this year, the way he's been playing, I ain't just talking about offensively, Anken Ocho. I'm talking about defensively. He takes the talent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He guards the best player and still puts up, you know, 28 to 30 points a night. That's hard to do. That's why when you look at him and you see his physique, his body, you see how cut and ripped up he is?

36:32Chad Johnson:Yeah. Like he can go all day, bro. He can go all day. So, yeah, I think he got a shot in the dark. Anken Ocho on that MVP as well. It wasn't the JT going and y 'all ain't going to be nothing.

36:44Shannon Sharpe:It was the Olympic team. He's like, hold on. I'm a finals MVP. And y 'all take the third or the fourth best player on my team, Derrick White, over me?

36:54Chad Johnson:As an Eastern Conference MVP?

36:56Shannon Sharpe:As an NBA finals MVP? And you mean to tell me that y 'all take – and this is not a shot at Derrick White. I love my teammates. Unbelievable. We won a championship together. but y 'all don't crack if y 'all think this man better than me but I think the thing in the all-star situation Joe you gotta look okay guys Devin Booker say I ain't gotta score a point what y 'all need I'll defend Ant-Man say I'll defend so you gotta sacrifice a lot when you go to these teams you can't be the guy that you were at your team they got KD, LeBron and Steph it's built around them everybody else you gotta roll to a plate when Grant Hill and everybody put this team together they said okay let's look who can do this who can do that and you got to swallow a lot of pride because look at JT JT was a three time first team all NBA selection that man getting some DMPs that man playing two three minutes a game yeah he barely

37:55Chad Johnson:played yeah but listen listen see you know in the Olympics they played 10 minute quarters so instead of 12 minutes it's a it's a 40 minute game versus a 48 minute game. So if Tatum already got games when he was getting DMPs, they so front loaded with that position, like Uncle Sam with LeBron and KD, bro, they going to play 30 plus minutes, even before the minutes of the game. You know what I'm saying? So if you bring Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum, you're going to have two guys that are going to have some DMPs.

38:28Shannon Sharpe:Derek White knows he's there to play defense. Books already done said it. books, I do whatever y 'all need me to do. If I need to grab water, I got you. So, you know, it's kind of like when the OG team win. Y 'all know who they came to see. Get in where you fit in. Well, Larry already said, Larry started the game, and the next thing you know, he laying on his stomach, laying on his back, because his back done locked up on him. So, but no, man, I love Cade Cunningham. He's in the MVP discussion. They're the number one seed in the Eastern Conference by six games. They're playing extremely well. He's an all-star.

39:04Shannon Sharpe:Obviously, he's going to be an all-NBA selection and deservedly so.

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41:41Shannon Sharpe:But he's playing phenomenal basketball as we speak. Speaking of Cade Cunningham, Cade Cunningham says he's the best American player in the NBA. He told GQ, I want to be on that Olympic team coming up. I think I'm the best American player. Joe? Wow. I like that. American player. We got Ant-Man. We got JB. We got JT. We got Steph Curry. We got Kevin Durant. We got Ant-Man. We got LeBron James. That's six American players that I named right there. He said, I'm the best American player. That's what he said. Hey, listen. Yeah.

42:14Chad Johnson:Yeah, so listen. We got to take the man amongst his words. He said he the best. Hey, look. Maybe that's why he came out and put on the performance he put on tonight against the Knicks. Like Ocho, he said he going to show you, Ben. He can tell you. And Mitch.

42:28Shannon Sharpe:We left out Donovan Mitchell. So that's 10 when you think about American players.

42:34Chad Johnson:Yeah. But hey, but he definitely showed you on the Olympic team.

42:38Joe Johnson:Yeah, absolutely. And matter of fact, you got to have that kind of confidence. You got to talk like that. You got to feel you're the best at what you do, regardless of who else is in the goddamn NBA. I'm that boy, too. At Detroit, I'm going to put us on the mantle. I want people watching us. I want people to pay attention to what we're doing. How do you do that? When you have an article like that and you say something like that, that nobody can call egregious because you're backing it up on the goddamn court on the hardwood.

43:03Chad Johnson:There you go.

43:04Joe Johnson:Not all eyes on you when you do that kind of talking.

43:07Shannon Sharpe:There you go. He know what he's doing. He also said, he also told GQ guy, foul baiting is the biggest problem in the NBA and accuses three superstars in the top five tier of doing it. They flopping in just two months. What do you do to your best players do that? Three of the top five, ten guys in the NBA are doing it constantly. You going to kick them out of the game? Yo, who are we talking about?

43:28Joe Johnson:Yeah, who are we talking about, Joe? He put no name on it.

43:31Chad Johnson:He talking about Luca. He talking about... Shea. Shea. Who was he talking about? You think he's talking about Jokic? Jokic? Jokic be flopping? Yeah, they got that love. They got a lot of flop to their game, Ocho. But, hey, they getting it done.

43:50Shannon Sharpe:The best players have always been able to draw fouls, especially when you drive the ball and you can put it on the floor. Jordan, Kobe. Now, obviously, with Shaq, Shaq was going to – because you got to foul it. like, oh, you're going to bring the basket, bring the gold down on your damn head. But the guards have always done that. Right.

44:11Chad Johnson:I think it's been modified a lot differently in today's era of Ojo. Jordan was so athletic that he was going to the cup. Like, he was taking the beating. You know what I mean? He wasn't shying away from the contact. Nowadays, you got guys, because you can't hand-check because of that nowadays. So now, as soon as you drive and a guy touch you, you see guys glitching and all that. They're trying to get the ref attention. They're trying to get the ref attention because at the same time, when I'm driving, Ocho, you can't have your hands on me, bro.

44:42Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

44:43Chad Johnson:Back then, you know. Oh, yeah.

44:45Shannon Sharpe:You had to play through contact. Yeah. They body you up. You go to the thing. They body you up. Hey, all you see the fishing do is like, get up, play on. Get up. That's all they do it, Joe. But you know what? But, hey, we talk about Shea, but people forget there was like a five to like a six-year stretch. Nobody drew fouls like James Harden. Nobody. No. Nobody drew like James Harden. And then there was like a three-year stretch when nobody drew fouls like Joel Embiid. Not even close.

45:19Chad Johnson:Nah. Because they figured it out. Well, James just got a knack. He got a knack for scoring and seeking contact, body hunting. We call it body hunting. And once he get in the paint anywhere, he know guys going to be in there reaching. He's going to extend that ball. You're going to hit his arms. He figured that out. He is the best at that. And then MB, he was just trying to find different ways to score the basketball. You know what I mean? Versus taking the beat and he know guys going to play him hard. They're going to be overly aggressive. So he used their aggressiveness against them. You know what I mean?

45:52Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. They started to figure it out. And the thing is, just think when those guys back in the day was averaging 30 with no three-point shot. Woo-wee. Them boy, they mid-range and sad. That's all they were doing. Middies. Middies.

46:08Chad Johnson:Now you got guys shooting one or two steps over half. Yes.

46:12Shannon Sharpe:Oh, even the top players getting up anywhere between five and eight threes a game. Luka, Shea, they getting up between five and eight. Donovan Mitchell, Ant-Man. They getting up between five and eight threes a damn game. Oh, yeah.

46:28Chad Johnson:Oh, yeah. That's – and that's – Yes! That's – yeah. Because there's some boys out here, yeah, them boys getting eight to 12 threes up. Them boys ain't playing. Yeah, it's a different ballgame.

46:40Shannon Sharpe:I don't have no problem with what Cade said. Hey, because guess what? They going to start picking this team next year. Because, you know, I think they already qualified, right? Or do they have to go to the Worlds again or the FIBA?

46:54Chad Johnson:I'm not sure.

46:56Shannon Sharpe:We don't be sending teams like everybody else be going to all these tournaments. We just basically, we just get ready for the Olympics. We throw a team together for the Olympics. You might come out better sending a team that's used to playing together. It's hard to get guys that he averages 30 on his team. He averages 32 or 20. And he's used to playing somewhere between 35 and 40 minutes a game. And now you got this man playing 18 minutes. And you think he going to be cool with that.

47:24Chad Johnson:And it's tough because the chemistry that you have to have, it's like we all kind of got to sacrifice a little bit, you know what I mean? But you don't want to be too unselfish to where the game starts to look sloppy and now you passing up shots that you typically would take, you know what I mean? So I don't know, man. I think we're going to be in a good spot.

47:50Shannon Sharpe:It's going to be very interesting. I think the Olympic team is going to be going to look a lot different. I can see a scenario where KD is on the team. I don't know if Steph – You think he's going to want to do it? You think he's going to want to do it? I think KD's going to want to do it. I think KD's going to want to do it. Why not? Why not go on and get fired? What's that?

48:09Joe Johnson:That's in 28? That's in 28, right, huh? What about Steph? Joe, you think Steph will do it in 28?

48:16Shannon Sharpe:I don't know if Steph will want to do it. They had to coach Steph. Steph's like, you know what? This was my swan song. You know, I got to do it with the guys that LeBron and K-Dude who I competed against the bulk of my career. And to be able to do it with those three guys, I don't know. I mean, he could, but I don't know if he wanted to do it. Ain't nothing topping what they did in Paris. Patty. Oh, no. Ain't nothing topping that. Because they had to dig deep. They had to dig deep against Jokic's team, Serb. and they had to dig even deeper against the French. Playing on home court with Gobert and Wimby and what's the other guy's name?

48:58Chad Johnson:The big dude, he played for the -

49:01Shannon Sharpe:They got Yavasele, they had, what's the guy, he's at a - Was he with the Knicks? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know that, yeah.

49:11Chad Johnson:I know you're talking about, I think, I don't know if he's with them no more, I think they traded him.

49:14Shannon Sharpe:Four something. Four Fournier. Fournier. Fournier. Yeah.

49:20Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe and Unc, that last game where USA won where Steph had to hit those four threes to actually have a chance to win the game. Who was that? That was against France. That was France.

49:36Chad Johnson:I ain't gonna lie, Ocho. They had me scared a few games. I'm like, man, they were down. They were down. Well, they were down against Sudan.

49:42Shannon Sharpe:Remember South Sudan had them down? Yeah. The Serbs, they blew the Serbs out and then they was down by 15 against Serbs. With Jokic and Bogdanovich was hitting shot but playing out of their yin yang.

49:55Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah. But you know what though? I do. I can see, I can see Steph playing. He got some, it's some, it's some great guards. Obviously, you know, we talking about the K's. I can see him wanting to play with K. I can see Steph. I can see Steph. Well hell, he was on the fence the last time, Joe. We only two years from him. I can see it. Like him being his last hoorah. I can see that.

50:22Shannon Sharpe:But think about it, Joe. He waited until what, year 15, year 16, to even play this first Olympics. And now you wanted to play the second Olympics year 18. Yeah, that'll make it worth it for a while.

50:34Joe Johnson:I mean, he might like that feeling too. He might like that feeling of winning goal and want to do it again.

50:40Shannon Sharpe:It all depends on you. because, you know, it was nice to be on the world stage. He had Under Armour, but the thing is, I'm sure somebody, Nike or Adidas or somebody, maybe he wants to do his own brand and put it on the big stage.

50:58Shannon Sharpe:But we got our work cut out for us. We got our work cut out for us because the French ain't playing. Wimby's only going to get better. Wimby's only going to get better.

51:08Chad Johnson:He nice, boy. He going to continue to figure it out. He is going to be – hey, listen. It's like he a cheat code, Uncle Ocho, on offense, but he is a super cheat code on defense.

51:20Joe Johnson:On defense.

51:20Chad Johnson:Because you can think you got a layup man. That man come from way across court over there.

51:25Shannon Sharpe:How you challenge the guy shot a three, you challenge that, the guy got the offside rebound and went to lay it up and you pinned it against the glass. How the hell you do all that?

51:39Chad Johnson:Hey, you can't teach them, bro.

51:42Shannon Sharpe:You can't teach them. No, you can't teach seven, four and a half, seven, five, or however tall he is. Yeah, there you go. But he athletic, but he got uncoordinated. Because a lot of times you saw guys that tall. You see George Marisano. You see Boban. Or you see... Rudy Gobert. Bo Bo. Or you see Mamadou Njai. You see guys that's excessive. and Chuck Nevis, guys that's seven, four, five, six, and all up there like that, they not coordinated like this kid. This kid can handle the ball. This kid can put it on the floor. He can shoot the three. Now, Bo-Bo was letting the threes go. Bo-Bo hit that sleeve shot on him.

52:20Shannon Sharpe:Bo, hey, look. I mean, Manute Bo. Bo-Bo is the son.

52:23Chad Johnson:Manute, excuse me. Manute Bo wouldn't be able to touch. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The way that he moves, the way he dribbles, the way he pull up for his jump shots is just – when I seen KD contest his jump shot and he wasn't nowhere near close to blocking it, that's what we call that tall man jump shot. You ain't blocking that. You just got to hope he's missed. I mean, you can't –

52:46Shannon Sharpe:Because you know, Joe and Ocho, you know how the guy put the hand up in your face so you can't see the rim. Yeah. KD put your hand up. I need a broom. Hey, give me a broom. Let me put this broom up in his eyes. Because I ain't nowhere near blocking the damn shot. He already 7 '4", 7 '5". So when he jumped, he's shooting the ball at damn near 10 feet.

53:08Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe and Unc, the only way to start, Wimby, obviously you got to be somebody that got damn near physical, huh? Down in the paint. I've spent a whole lot of time down there.

53:16Chad Johnson:Well, it ain't necessarily the paint. It's called doing your work early. Meaning, Ocho, if I'm guarding him, as soon as he cross half court, I got to have him. Yeah, I got to deny him at all. Yeah, because I know he want to try to get to the mid post area to where he can kind of get it, size you up. So before he get to the mid post area, man, he gonna rouse all the way to the mid post area. And by the time he catch it, I want him so tired that he gotta settle for a jump shot. Cause he shoot it over here straight up.

53:45Shannon Sharpe:He gonna get a good look.

53:46Chad Johnson:Oh yeah. Yeah, so you gotta wear him down.

53:49Shannon Sharpe:You gotta wear him down. You do. But, uh. Old Wendy. We gotta, the Americans, we got our work cut out for us. We got our work, the women, the women gonna breeze again. Man. I can't remember. I think the last time they lost, I think they might have lost in 92 or something. Maybe 92. I can't remember the last time the women lost the Olympics, the Golden Olympics.

54:08Chad Johnson:Nah, they ain't even got no competition, Ocho. But have y 'all watched the Unrivaled League in Miami? Hey, you see my girl Chelsea Gray? You see my girl? Hey, point guard. Hey, boy. Listen, Ocho, the girls killing us guys. When it comes to the basketball, the one-on-one scene. Oh, I saw that. I saw that. I saw that. Doing the one-on-one king of the court. Yeah. Oh, man, the unrivaled, killing. They killing. Yeah, shout-out to Chelsea Gray. She won it from the Aces. Hey, she got some games. She play out here in the Atlanta Summer League.

54:42Shannon Sharpe:I mean, listen, playing one-on-one, the way she can handle the rock, you're damn right. Because if you can handle one-on-one, if you can handle the rock, and you can shoot a little bit, people are going to have to get up on you. But you see a whop, whop, whop. Hey, it wasn't like she was laying the ball up. She was killing that turnaround. Yeah.

55:02Chad Johnson:Listen, Ocho, she know how to use her body to create space. She get that little dribble. She may get that little shoulder, that little bump. She get you that little mid-range. You're with cash. Oh, yeah. She pulled a lot out of her bag the other day when I was watching her play.

55:17Shannon Sharpe:Because when you think about it, her and Jackie Young, they're on the same team. I don't know if once they get this CBA or get this thing, if they can keep them together. But if they're going to keep her and Asia and Jackie together, who beating them?

55:34Chad Johnson:It's going to be tough to beat them. It's tough to beat them in a series. The best team is going to pretty much always win.

55:40Shannon Sharpe:First of all, you can't do nothing with that big lefty. Asia Wilson? I don't know. You can't do nothing with that. She is the greatest woman's player in the history of the game. Yeah. You look at what she's done, four MVPs. She easily could have won a fifth. Stewie won it. Congratulations. But she's been a defensive player of the year. She's led the league in sports. She's led the league in blocks. She's led the league in rebounding. She's a three-time champion. She's a two-time finals MVP.

56:17Chad Johnson:Hey, the women's game is in a great space, Ocho. Oh, yeah, absolutely. They trending in the right direction. I really wanted to come down to Miami and catch one of the Unrivaled games. They look like a great scene, bro. Like, the scene, the atmosphere. Like, they doing a great job out there because that's a three-on-three full court. Like, it ain't full court. They condense the court, make it smaller, but you're still going up and down. You know what I mean? Like, that's dope, bro. That's dope. I want to see that.

56:44Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I thought it so. The last time the U.S. women's basketball team lost the Olympic game was in the semifinals of 1992 in Barcelona. they were defeated by the unified team, formerly the Soviet Union, by the score of 79-73. So that's the last time that they've lost a – that might be the last time they damn lost a game in the Olympics. You're right. Hey, look, we got the best – Yeah, it ain't even close. For sure. It's not even close. Now, Australia used to have a good team. I don't know if you remember Lauren Jackson. She's a three-time MVP. Yeah. Yeah, I remember Lauren. She's a GOAT. but when you look when you look at we had Spoon and we had all the we had all those they can't mess with us they can't they can't I understand like the men game is out the men's game as far as around the world is outgrowing the women but they women not messing with us they not I agree

57:45Chad Johnson:it don't even be no game bro they be up 100 to 32. So I feel like, come on.

57:52Shannon Sharpe:I mean, you think about it. We got a big, I mean, we could throw Asia. We could throw Stewie. We got Chelsea Gray. Now, Chelsea was hurt last time. She was coming off that serious ankle injury. So she was not herself. She 100 % healthy. Now they got a Nesco. They got, oh, man. We loaded. We got this. Call your beef. Oh, yeah. We got this in the bag. Joel Embiid. Hey, look, Joel Embiid say he would trade his MVP for one healthy postseason run. I would trade my MVP for one healthy postseason run because I think if I'm healthy, I'm dominant enough that I would carry us to win a championship.

58:34Joe Johnson:I like that. I like that, Unc and Joe. I think because Joel Embiid understands how great he is, with my small and simple knowledge of basketball, of being able to watch him dominate me being at that 70 point game and watching him take that game over all four quarters. And he's had to deal with injury history for a very long time to the point where analysts and pundits have gotten on him about being healthy and having to play one game and sit and then play one game and sit. I think if he was healthy and had two good knees, he probably could do just that. So I understand what he's saying. He's probably frustrated.

59:11Joe Johnson:He probably frustrated himself.

59:13Chad Johnson:man you gotta wanna help yourself too Ocho you know you gotta if you know you got bad knees man you gotta take care of your health keep that weight down keep your body strong like you gotta take accountability for that part man

59:29Shannon Sharpe:you know what I mean like you come he on your diet he eating at McDonald's

59:34Chad Johnson:yeah like you can't

59:36Shannon Sharpe:that's your diet you say that you eat McDonald's eat what got you there that's what you saying I know he don't eat McDonald's though You don't see him on the train Okay go ahead that's okay

59:50Joe Johnson:Somebody that size Has a chef on him I mean I would think so

59:55Chad Johnson:Hey Joe didn't you have a chef Yeah I had a chef but you still eat Zuzuz and Wham Whams Ochoge Because you got a chef that don't mean that That don't mean nothing you know you can't come into Camp overweight man you know We got a lot riding on you We on your back big fella but we We need you to be in shape so you can carry it. He came into the league with a bad back.

1:00:14Shannon Sharpe:Remember, he missed the process. I mean, how many years did he miss before he even started? Because he had the bad back. You came into the league hurt. What's the likelihood you come into a league hurt that you think you're going to make it out and you got to play 82 games? So basically, you playing damn near every other night or every other other night. Right. And you 300 pounds running up and down the court.

1:00:38Chad Johnson:and that's what that's why i always i always revert back to the training of what you do in the summer you can't take the whole summer off bro and then come in and now you playing every other day of course in two months you're gonna be inflamed your knees gonna be hurting your back gonna be hurt because you ain't been doing it in the summer man you gotta take care of yourself keep your body strong there's never an off season just because you ain't playing it ain't no off season you still gotta stay locked in you know what i mean yes you know what i think would be

1:01:06Joe Johnson:better too, Unc and Joe, if he wasn't hurt during the season, if you look at most of the basketball players, they play basketball year-round. They have a little fun, maybe not go as hard, but they play basketball year-round. I think if he wasn't hurt, I think he'd be able to keep his weight down if he was able to play basketball year-round. But the fact that he's hurt during the season, when the offseason comes, he has to sit down and rest. He has to rehab. He doesn't get to train.

1:01:32Shannon Sharpe:That's his fault. Because think about how hard we train in the offseason. And when we get out there to camp, we were still sore. Because that's not the case. We ain't starting and stopping like we do in training camp. Think about it. We're out there two a days. So I'm still sore, even though I done ran by it. I'm in phenomenal shape. When I say I'm talking about 220, 232 at 5 % body fat. I'm talking about cuts everywhere. I mean, I'm shredding like a drunk tax return. You know what I'm talking about on Joe? That's why I'm shredding like that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, weight's gone, like a Clinton email.

1:02:06Shannon Sharpe:Just disappeared. So I know how my knees and ankles felt. Man, that third day, Ocho.

1:02:14Joe Johnson:Hey, sore is here, bro, boy.

1:02:17Chad Johnson:Sore is here. Hey, hey, gotta keep the body strong, bro. That's why, like, in the off-season, Ocho, I always love staying in shape, bro. Yeah. You know what I mean? I just don't know why I always love staying in shape.

1:02:32Joe Johnson:Hey, speaking of staying in shape, What's that leg feeling like, yo?

1:02:36Chad Johnson:Boy, I told you, hey, Ojo, I played volleyball today with my daughter. I took her to volleyball practice day.

1:02:42Joe Johnson:Yeah.

1:02:42Chad Johnson:And before practice started, like the first 30 minutes, I get out there with the girls who play volleyball, Ojo.

1:02:47Joe Johnson:Yeah.

1:02:49Chad Johnson:Boy, when I come down there to see you and me, you had this little one-on-one, you know what I'm talking about?

1:02:53Joe Johnson:Hey, give me a number, Joe. Like what percentage? What percentage you at right now?

1:02:58Chad Johnson:I'm probably about 75 % right now. Oh, yeah, yeah.

1:03:02Joe Johnson:That ain't going to cut it. 75, 78%.

1:03:04Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:03:05Joe Johnson:That definitely ain't going to cut it, Joe. Hey, can I tell you what's going to surprise you?

1:03:09Chad Johnson:What's that?

1:03:11Joe Johnson:You have the experience. You played the game for a very long time.

1:03:15Chad Johnson:Right. What I think is going to surprise you in person is how fast and quick I still am.

1:03:22Joe Johnson:And I'm going to fly by your ass.

1:03:24Chad Johnson:And be missing layups.

1:03:26Joe Johnson:That's the only thing. That's all I'm going to say.

1:03:28Chad Johnson:I can see you missing layups and all kinds of shit. Like I said.

1:03:33Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe, honestly, Joe, I'm a competitor, Joe, and I really don't think so. I don't think so. I respect you. I know what you're doing. I done watch you down here with the heat. You know, I done watched your whole career. You a Hall of Famer, Joe, but it's one thing about it. I stand on business, Joe, and, you know, I ain't scared of nothing. I'm going to compete.

1:03:53Chad Johnson:You going to have to show me. Uncle Ocho, y 'all know I'm going to just be doing that for fun because I don't get no stripes for killing you on the court, okay? I don't get no strikes for that. I don't get no strikes, but I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it for the people because I wear this crown and I'm the people's champion. I'm going to do it for y 'all. Give them what they want.

1:04:11Shannon Sharpe:Give them what they want. See? Y 'all see what y 'all created? I want y 'all to know y 'all created this.

1:04:20Joe Johnson:The chat done created a monster.

1:04:23Shannon Sharpe:I just want y 'all to know, chat. Y 'all are responsible for Joe's behavior. The chat is personally, directly responsible for Joel's behavior. Yeah.

1:04:34Chad Johnson:I got y 'all Chad. I promise I ain't gonna let y 'all down. I wear this with dignity, integrity. I'm gonna wear that. Listen. I'm your guy. Hey Joe, what the hell you got on? I got on my key stuff, man. What you mean when I got on?

1:04:51Joe Johnson:Oh, so you purposely put that on to go with the crown? Yeah, what you

1:04:56Shannon Sharpe:thought this was. I told you looking like Joppy Joe Farron coming to America.

1:05:02Chad Johnson:Hey boy, he's showing off. Oh, ho. Hey, I don't know who he is. Listen, listen, I got the message loud and clear last night. Okay, guys, while I heard y 'all last night talking. See what I'm saying? All I need is just a little bit. Okay, I see what they got going on. Okay. All right, I can't wait to see that. Okay.

1:05:22Shannon Sharpe:Your day coming, Joe. Oh my goodness. your day coming your day coming

1:05:30Chad Johnson:so I'm going to do it for the people Ocho I don't get no strike for this but it's all love

1:05:35Joe Johnson:anytime you beat me in anything Joe in life I ain't lost much of nothing Joe I ain't really lost in life too much so the fact you do get stripes even though it's your sport as much as I talk you get a strike for beating me you get a strike for beating me as much as I talk trash and I'm telling you now it ain't finna be a walk in the park that you think it's finna be Joe okay cause I play basketball like we in the 80's I'm letting you know right now

1:06:02Chad Johnson:cause you talk loud and tough it don't mean

1:06:06Joe Johnson:Joe one thing about it me acting tough me talking tough me being tough is on film Joe it's on film Joe remember what happened hey remember what happened to Bill Lambir

1:06:19Chad Johnson:what happened oh you don't remember We're having a BLM beer.

1:06:22Joe Johnson:Okay. You know how you play the game, huh?

1:06:26Chad Johnson:How you play it?

1:06:27Shannon Sharpe:Oh, you BLM beer, huh? You BLM beer.

1:06:31Joe Johnson:Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Hey, I'm just gonna be like the eighties, nineties out there, boy playing with me, boy. Man, BLM beer was so dirty.

1:06:41Chad Johnson:Hey. Hey, with him, Mahorn, and Rodman, and Sally.

1:06:50Shannon Sharpe:You couldn't imagine playing again. If Barca Gwaii, Isaiah, man, they would kill it for you.

1:06:55Chad Johnson:They were going to split you. They were going to split you up for sure.

1:06:58Joe Johnson:Hey, see, I'm just giving you a fair warning as long as you know. Man.

1:07:04Chad Johnson:Yeah, okay.

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