Nightcap Hour 1: Deni Avdija SHOWS OUT in Blazers win over Suns + Coby White CLUTCH for Hornets vs Heat + Shannon Calls LaMelo Play “Bush League”

21:15Shannon Sharpe:They got 17 points from the bench. Jeremy Grant gave you 16 by himself. He's throwing Sheldon Sharps 12. Five-0 had three. Robert Williams III had two. So you got outscored on the bench by what? That's 28, 31, 33. You got outscored by 16 from bench. And then you got another guy. So as great as Jalen Green played, and he plays tremendous tonight, you still got the other guy gave you 41. Yeah. Yeah, I thought Phoenix, they competed, man. Listen, it was fun to watch. You know, I like the back and forth. I like guys going at one another. I like watching Dylan Brooks get on the guy's skin, make him get in technical fouls.

22:01You know what I mean? In crucial situations. You know, he's a pest. They probably could have used a little more from Booker, though, for them to get over the hump because their bench ain't giving them nothing. So one of these guys is going to have to be special. and Greg's eight shots tonight. So I thought it was definitely a game Phoenix was just going to pull away. I thought it was over with.

22:23Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I thought it was over with too, Joe. But hey, give Portland credit for not going away because they could have easily hit the head, ran and ducked in the sand. They're like, nah, we're good. We're not going anywhere. And they were able to pull it out. Hey, Donald, really flying on that treadmill. I'm trying to run as fast as T-Mobile 5G home internet, Zach. Well, you better pick it up because now T-Mobile has the fastest 5G home internet according to Ookla Speedtest. Really? How's this? T-Mobile's faster than that, bud, and it's still just$35 a month. Speed up! No! Plus, they've got a five-year price guarantee.

22:59Come on! Faster! How can I go any faster? Channel the speed of T-Mobile 5G home internet. Think 100-meter dash fast. Think drag racing fast. Think speed skating fast. Now let's bump up your speed a notch. Hey, whoa, whoa, that's too fast! You'll be all right, just walk it off. Get on the fast track. T-Mobile now has the fastest 5G home internet. And it still starts at just$35 a month with auto pay and a voice line. Plus a five-year price guarantee. Plus taxes and fees. Fastest according to Uglo Speed Test Intelligence data. Second half, 2025. All rights reserved. Guarantee for monthly price of 5G internet data on eligible plans.

23:36Find exclusions and details at T-Mobile.com. I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of The Fault in Our Stars. And now, I guess also as the co-host of The Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist. And John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World Cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game and I fell in love. On our new podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. For us, soccer... Football. is a story we've shared for over 30 years since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team.

24:14Very debatable. And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game. I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, its beauty. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer is the most important. Listen to The Away End with Daniel Alarcon and John Green on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Julian Edelman, host of Games With Names. On our latest episode, we got comedian Blake Anderson from Workaholics and the hilarious This Is Important podcast. Let's go! We did beat him in improv. You had an improv against the team?

24:54Yes, we would pull up. Their schools would be there with signs for us. It's competition. What you would win is a bottle of Goldschlager. James Fester threw it out of a van because he didn't want us drinking it. For more games with names, visit the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.

25:10Shannon Sharpe:A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what y 'all say. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor IV. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment.

25:44And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford Show starting on April 20th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. I'm Daniel Jeremiah. And I'm Greg Rosenthal.

26:18And this is 40s and free agents. The games may be over, but the NFL never stops. This is my favorite part of the calendar. Yeah, mine too, Greg. Free agency, the combine, the NFL draft, pro days, trades. This is where teams reshape their future. This is where Daniel Jeremiah makes his money. On 40s and free agents, we break down every move that actually matters. From my draft evaluations, mock drafts, and team fits. To my top 101 free agents and how real rosters are built, cap space, contracts, and all the tough decisions included. You got quarterbacks on the move. We got teams rebuilding. It's hope season.

26:55Yeah, absolutely. It's hope season. And we'll tell you what's real, what's noise, and what it means for your favorite team. Smart analysis, real conversations every week. I don't know about the smart, but definitely analysis. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

27:14Shannon Sharpe:For the game of the night, the Charlotte Hornets outlast the Miami Heat, 127-126. They cheated. The mellow ball. Hey, he was going to be a GOAT. and we're going to talk about him later for that Bush league play that he did. Yeah. LaMelo Ball got the game winning layup and closed seconds in overtime to propel the Charlotte Hornets to a victory. But Kobe White, that shot that he hit to even get into overtime. And Joe, you and I was talking about what a big addition he was. I don't know what Chicago ate. I don't know what Chicago got for him unless they got them parking meters back that they gave South to the Saudis.

27:51Shannon Sharpe:This was a horrible deal for them. This was Kobe White draining the game, tying three in the final seconds of the fourth quarter to send it to overtime. Charlotte will play the loser of the Magic 76ers. I mean, they're like, man, we played this good and we still ain't in the real playoff yet. We got to play the loser of Miami and – no, not Miami. The Magic and the 76ers. Charlotte overcomes a 2-for-22 shooting from three from LaMelo and Concaniple. The number 10 Miami eliminated after going 3-for-3 from previous in play-ins. taking Hornets to overtime despite losing Bam out of bio. Man. What do you want?

28:28Shannon Sharpe:Hello. Let's go ahead and take a listen. Speaking on Bam, here's what Eric Spolstra had to say on the Mellow Balls play on Bam out of bio. I didn't see it, but I don't think it's cute. I don't think it's funny. I think it's a stupid play. It's a dangerous play. Obviously, our best player is out. I'm not making an excuse. The Hornets played great, you know, and they made those plays down the stretch we we had our opportunities to win i i just that's a shame you know he should be penalized for that i don't think that belongs in the game you know tripping guys uh you know shenanigans and you know curtis was there it's his responsibility to see that and if it's not his responsibility then zach's got to see it if you know somebody has got to see that uh and that uh you know he should have been thrown out of the game you know for that um I don't know him from you know anyone there's no place in the game for that obviously you know it took Bam out of the game he ain't lie you absolutely right he ain't lie there is no place for that in the game obviously for one you heard our best player right you heard our best player and for us to even have a chance Joe for us to even have a chance I know Bam was out he finished with six points but in order for us to have a chance to win this game as efficient as they've been playing all year.

29:47I'm talking about the Hornets. We need all hands on deck. If anything, let's just keep the game close until it gets towards the end. Now, we played well once Bam left the game. That goddamn Davion Mitchell. Yeah, that goddamn Davion Mitchell and brother Khalil Ware. Did I say that right? Yeah, Khalil Ware. He from the Crier. Hey, man, listen. He from where, Joe? He from Little Rock. He from the Crier. Hey, young boy showed up, man, especially on the offense and defense end, grabbing them goddamn boards and crashing it, giving us second chance points, which is one of the reasons why he was able to keep this goddamn game close.

30:22Haquez did what he did, and that goddamn... Is it Andre Wiggins? Andrew Wiggins. Andrew, Andrew, Andrew Wiggins. Hey, the Heat gonna be all right, man. The Heat gonna be all right. But what we do need to do, we need some firepower in there, Joe. Now, I know I owe you$100, right? I thought we bet it too, because you said let's bet two because you were feeling good. You were feeling good about it. You were feeling real good about it. You know what? And I'm glad y 'all sent you that 200 already so I done paid you already. But anyway, hey, back to the game. I think, listen, you lose Bam, right? We talk about a player who's getting 20 a night.

30:57He's getting 20 a game. So somebody has to make up for them points. Somebody has to make up for them points. I mean, we did what we could. Goddamn, Davion Mitchell had 28. Goddamn, Wiggins had 27. think about if Bam if Bam didn't get hurt if Bam didn't get hurt I think we win this game and we don't even have to go to overtime we was up what 111 to 108 with 28 seconds to go and then goddamn Kobe goddamn white I mean come on man hey come on man Ocho if Bam didn't get hurt then maybe somebody else's production wouldn't have been as great alright I think was it a dirty play by LaMelo it's borderline you know no that ain't borderline What you mean, borderline Joe?

31:41Shannon Sharpe:Joe, he intentionally tripped that man. A borderline play is that I'm making a basketball play. So if it's football, I got you. So tell me in the rule books in basketball, where is it you allowed to trip a player? It ain't nowhere in the rule book. Okay, so that's a Bush league play. Okay, so I thought, listen, I thought Miami played good ball, man. They had guys step up when Bam went down, and they played absolutely out of their mind. with Mitchell, Hero, Wiggins, and Killeil Ware. But, man, Charlotte has just been fun to watch all year, fellas, you know, especially in the new year. They've been playing great basketball.

32:19They got a gang of guys who can beat you. I didn't think – I thought Knippel shot a lot of tough threes early. Uncle Ocho got him out of rhythm, you know, because he was shooting with a guy glued to him. I'm like, man, them tough shots. Yes. You can't be in the playoffs taking regular season shots in the postseason, bro. And for a young guy, you know, that's the curve that you have to you know, you have to learn. Because he was 0 for 6 tonight. He didn't give them nothing. But man, LaMelo and Miller and Bridges. They gave you everything. Kobe White. He's the reason why they won the game. Just big play after big play after big play.

33:00He from North Carolina. Went to North Carolina. He's back home, bro. He looks so comfortable out there, Uncle Ocho. I think when LaMelo gets tired, because there were moments in the game where LaMelo was kind of real tired. He got a few turnovers, a few careless turnovers. I think that's when Kobe White comes into play. He can put the ball in his hands. He's great in pick and roll, can shoot the three, create, get to the basket. Man, he, hey, this was a great back-and-forth game tonight, fellas.

33:27Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I mean, if you think about it, Joe, that play, maybe it's a flagrant one. But I don't know, maybe they toss him because of the intent. and it's hard to tell someone's intent, but when you reach up your hand and you trip the guy, the guy falls on his backside, it's hard to say it's anything but intent. It's a Bush League play. No matter what you think, and I think LaMelo Ball is a phenomenal player. We used to have his dad on, LaVar on, undisputed all the time. Everybody knows how we think about LaVar, but that was a Bush League play because you put their best player out. We can't have that now.

34:02Shannon Sharpe:The NBA might have something to say about that. there might be a fine forthcoming. I don't know. We'll see. But LaMelo Ball, he had to make that play. Because first of all, he turned the ball over, and then he fouled a guy with a damn three-point shot. Yeah. He was about to be the GOAT. Yeah, he did. And not the greatest of all time. Yeah, he made some bonehead plays down the street. Yes, yes. And so he had to do what he did. But still, he wasn't out of the woodwork yet because he got down the court, and it took Miles Bridges climbing the escalator. He jumped as high as he possibly could. Hey Joe, I was hoping obviously I know it's hard with the time expiring I was hoping when Davion Mitchell was on that little break he had hit the brakes and everybody not flew by him but you know when everybody think you're going to lay it up just stop real quick pump one time.

34:58I don't know if he had enough time to do all that but I knew Nah.

35:03Shannon Sharpe:Because you got to realize when he blocked it, so just imagine you stopped and not trying to get the ball up. It's impossible to dunk, too. It's impossible to dunk with people right on your hip like that, huh, Joe? Nah, nah, nah. He ain't got that kind of uphook. Oh, Joe, damn. Who you think the man is? You thought he's that little dude for the do all that, oh, Joe? I don't know, man. I don't know. I think if anything, do what you can to try to draw a foul. You know what I mean? but that situation, everything is moving fast, man. I think he was going so fast. His momentum was taking him. There was no way he could stop.

35:38They knew he had to go for a quick layup. He tried to get it up to high, but man, Bridges climbed. He climbed that tree and got it. Damn, man. Man, the shot

35:47Shannon Sharpe:making. I mean, look here. Miami won the game. Lost it. Charlotte won the game. Lost it. Miami won it. Lost it. Charlotte won it, lost it, and then guess what? Charlotte come back and win it again. I mean, that last four to five minutes of the ball game. Yeah, I was excited. That's as good a basketball as that you're going to see at any point in time. Because like you said, guys, everybody making shots, three after three, layup, Hawkeyes like, hey, I got this. Tyler Hero hitting shots falling out of bounds and one. Kobe White, boom. Miller boom and everybody I was like damn when y 'all start making shots like this but for them to overcome 2 for 16 from Melo I mean you gotta think about it now they 2 for 16 and 0 for 6 yeah so Knipple gave him nothing he was 0 for so that's basically 2 for 22 from the 3 and you overcame that between 2 guys but you got Brandon Miller playing out of it, played well.

36:57Shannon Sharpe:Bridges played well. Kobe White played well. You got other guys stepping up. Mello, but even though he wasn't really good from the three, he made other plays. Yeah. And he got other guys involved. He had 10 assists, 30 and 10. For a guy, I think this is Mello's first time in the playoffs. I don't know what they call it. They don't say the playoffs, the stats don't go towards anything. I think they need to do that. They need to do something with that. What's the big guy for Charlotte? Diabate Yeah. I like him, man. I like him. He play hard. He get a lot of them second chance points where he getting extra rebounds on the offensive end.

37:36And he guards, man. Man, Charlotte's still scary to me. For them to shoot the way they shot tonight and still win the game, you know, I think they'll be a lot better next game. Hey, hey, hey, Ant. Diabate, lucky bam, went out. You know that, right? Huh? You know, he ain't had enough bricks in his back pocket to deal with Bam. But you just love Khalil Ware. He just gave you 19. I know he gave us 19. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, this is the night. I think the difference maker for us or the difference in the game is having Bam in there in certain shots when the lights are bright in a playing tournament, which we had already been three for three in the last playing tournaments we done played in, and all of a sudden Bam is gone, and now we lose to the goddamn Hornets.

38:22Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Ocho, you got Wiggins gave you 27. Khalil gave you 12 and 19. I know what they gave us. Mitchell gave you 28. When was the last time? Hey, Ash, give me the number. When was the last time Davion Mitchell scored 28 points in a game? Hey, what Tallahurie gave us? 23. 23? Yeah. Yeah. We were balling. But let me tell you something. We need some firepower. You hear me? We need some firepower. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a minute. Wait a minute, Ocho. I know Bam scored 83, but you make it seem like Bam averaged 30 a game. No, he averaged 20. He averaged 20 a game. I said we need firepower. That's what I'm saying.

38:58Shannon Sharpe:Okay, let me ask you a question, Ocho. We need difference makers. Okay. Not just guys. So you think Bam is going to give you 20 and Dave Young is going to give you 28? Yeah. Because his 20 points got to come from somewhere. Oh, no, no, no, no. No, I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. What you saying? I'm saying Bam would have had more than 20 tonight. Listen, I mean, we're having 18, 19 tonight. That was good. I'm just saying Bam is a difference maker. He's the leader of our team. He's the go-to guy. That goddamn Diaby. What's his name? Diaby Joe? Huh? Diaby, how you say? Young boy name from Charlotte?

39:34Shannon Sharpe:Diabate. Diabate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, boy, listen, man. But Bam would give him that boy hell, man. Melo ain't had no choice but to trip him up. We got to get him up out of here. Yeah, yeah. Toward the end of that first quarter, I thought Bam started to assert himself a little bit, Oh, Joe. Yes, sir. Joe, you do realize Davion Mitchell took 24 shots in the game. Yeah. He ain't taking 24 shots at Bam in there. No. Davion Mitchell only scored 20 points or more once all season.

40:11Hey.

40:12Shannon Sharpe:Okay. Again, Davion Mitchell scored 20 or more points once this entire season. he took 24 shots he ain't getting 24 shots with Bam nah now maybe just maybe Ojo okay the shots that he was taking they go to Bam and Bam make him but Davion you gotta admit now Davion played out of his damn mind tonight he did he stepped up hey one thing about it Joe Pat Riley and Mickey Arison they gotta be tired of just playing and stuff. They got to be tired of going to the play-in. Why not get what you need? What is it? I know what you're going to say. You get Giannis. You want Giannis? You're giving up Kyle Hero.

40:59Shannon Sharpe:You're giving up Mitchell. And you're giving up where? Let me tell you what we're going to do. Go get Giannis, who will be the most expensive. Then we go get Ja Morant. We need Ja down here. This is the right type of atmosphere that Ja need to be in. Somewhere where you can't, that bull job ain't going to run over there and Pat Riley system. You hear me on? Yeah. Sometimes, Joe, I think this is exactly what someone like John need. And you can't, no matter all that stuff you want to do out in Miami, nigga, Pat know where you're at, everywhere you go. He's going to get a phone call. Hey, your boy in here.

41:30I'm going to keep an eye on him. What you going to do about his dad?

41:34Shannon Sharpe:Huh? Because Pat Riley didn't have that. Oh, no, no, no. He ain't sitting on the floor. He's sitting in the box. Okay. He's going to be in the box. Okay. You ain't going to be sitting on the floor acting a fool. Not at the Casio Center. Uh-uh. Nah, T gonna be on the floor, man. He ain't gonna be up in no box. Hey, man, listen here, man. Pat running a tight ship, man. If T wanna be down there for a little, listen. But we ain't having none of that. We ain't having none of that. Hey, two drink minimum. Two drink minimum. That's it. We could be cutting you off. Hey, he might be lit before he even get to the game.

42:08Shannon Sharpe:There you go. There you go. But I'm just saying, Joe. I'm just saying, Joe. And, you know, as a basketball fan, there's certain things that we need to do to improve our team. You know, we haven't had a superstar since LeBron and D-Wade. And it seems like a team like Miami, Uncle Joe, who don't, who wouldn't want to come to Miami to play? We can't even get superstars to come here. Joe, and Joe, you played in this situation. I don't think they don't, I think the superstar would love to be in Miami. They don't like the conditions on which they'd have to play under. They've heard Joe, and they've heard other players say, you get weighed, you get body fat, you practice, the shoot-arounds are tough.

42:52Shannon Sharpe:That's what they don't – you got to realize, Ocho, if you come into that situation, if you drafted there, that ain't nothing to Bam. That ain't nothing to Tyler Hero. That ain't nothing to guys that grow up in that system. But when you come from a system and shoot-around is just bull-jiving and you ain't got no wins and you ain't got no body fat check and you don't have the circumstance and Pat Riley, on your, you know what? That's hard. Yeah, it is. If you, your situation, you go into the Patriots. Had you been there for 10 years, that ain't nothing to you. Because guess what? You say, you know what?

43:29Shannon Sharpe:Hey, I'm cool with this. But you had been one way, having fun, having a great time. When they rock, that was your superpower. Your ability to have fun. Yeah. And people are like, well, it's still football. No, no, no, no, no, no. But that's not his superpower. But Ocho's superpower isn't playing football. Ocho's superpower is having fun playing football. And if you rob him of that. Hey, Donald, really flying on that treadmill. I'm trying to run as fast as T-Mobile 5G home internet, Zach. Well, you better pick it up because now T-Mobile has the fastest 5G home internet according to Ookla Speedtest.

44:03Really? How's this? T-Mobile's faster than that, bud. And it's still just$35 a month. Speed up. No! Plus, they've got a five-year price guarantee. Come on, faster! How can I go any faster? Channel the speed of T-Mobile 5G home internet. Think 100-meter dash fast. Think drag racing fast. Think speed skating fast. Now let's bump up your speed a notch. Hey, whoa, whoa, that's too fast! You'll be all right, just walk it off. Get on the fast track. T-Mobile now has the fastest 5G home internet. And it still starts at just$35 a month with auto pay and a voice line.

44:40Shannon Sharpe:Plus a five-year price guarantee. Plus taxes and fees. Fastest according to Ooglev Speedtest Intelligence. Date of second half, 2025. All rights reserved. Guaranteed for monthly price of 5G internet data on eligible plans. Find exclusions and details at T-Mobile.com. I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of The Fault in Our Stars, and now, I guess also as the co-host of The Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist, and John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World Cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old, I watched every game, and I fell in love.

45:11On our new podcast The Away, and we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. For us, soccer, football, is a story we've shared for over 30 years since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team. Very debatable. And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game. I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, its beauty. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer is the most important. Listen to The Away End with Daniel Alarcon and John Green on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

45:53This is Julian Edelman, host of Games With Names. On our latest episode, we got comedian Blake Anderson from Workaholics and the hilarious This Is Important podcast. Let's go! We did beat them in improv. You had an improv against the team? Yes, we would pull up. Their schools would be there with signs for us. is competition. What you would win is a bottle of Goldschlager. James Fester threw it out of a van because he didn't want us drinking it. For more games with names, visit the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

46:23Shannon Sharpe:A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what y 'all say. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor IV. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment.

46:57And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford Show starting on April 20th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. I'm Daniel Jeremiah. And I'm Greg Rosenthal.

47:31And this is 40s and Free Agents. The games may be over, but the NFL never stops. This is my favorite part of the calendar. Yeah, mine too, Greg. Free agency, the combine, the NFL draft, pro days, trades. This is where teams reshape their future. This is where Daniel Jeremiah makes his money. On 40s and free agents, we break down every move that actually matters. From my draft evaluations, mock drafts, and team fits. To my top 101 free agents and how real rosters are built, cap space, contracts, and all the tough decisions included. You got quarterbacks on the move. We got teams rebuilding. It's hope season.

48:08Yeah, absolutely. it's hope season. We'll tell you what's real, what's noise, and what it means for your favorite team. Smart analysis, real conversations every week. I don't know about the smart, but definitely analysis. Listen to 40s and Free Agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

48:29Shannon Sharpe:You don't get Ocho. You get Chad Johnson. Yeah. And it's a different shit ran over there, fella. But what I will say, it's It's not like a lot of guys. I wouldn't say that they don't like it because, like you say, if you don't mind doing a little work, doing a little extra work, bro, it really ain't that hard. I'm going to be honest with you. You know what I mean? You just – whatever you're doing outside of the gym, outside of the court, if it's affecting your play or the way you train, then you probably want to lighten up on it. You know what I'm talking about? Yes. Like, you know, because they're going to expect you at your best at all times.

49:09Shannon Sharpe:but when you a superstar Joe and you don't listen to people that's watching, that's looking over your shoulder normally superstars, they go and come and they do kind of do what they want to do, you're not finna do that there and so when you've been doing what you kind of want to do for the last 10, 12, 13 14 years and all of a sudden it's hard I'm telling you, it is hard it's like you got at your office and your boss kind of let you do your own thing but now you got a new boss and he on your you know what yeah man the old boss man yeah I know it was so much fun but he gone now yeah it's tough it is tough hey that weight and body fat different bro I'm not gonna lie it makes you conscious about everything that you eat when you eat what you eat how you eat it gets so embedded in your head because every time like I said if you don't reach these goals that Pat has set for you, there's consequences for that.

50:15You know what I mean? And as grown-ass men, bro, you know, it's hard to succumb to that sometimes. Mm-hmm.

50:24Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Because you flying in, it's hard. Hey, you get done playing. Man, you know the shit, man. Hey, peace and wings sound real good. I could go for me a burger right now. Man. Damn. Hey, man, I can't eat no wings, no burger, no wings, I mean no pizza, and go to bed and sleep on this? Yeah, I know. Talking about some, let me get two bags of potato chips. Yeah, all right. Man, you out of pocket, boy. Hey, go ahead. You missing weight and body fat, I'm telling you. Yeah. Hey, the funniest thing, bro, I'm telling y 'all, the funniest thing, bro, is to see people sitting in that sauna. Right before weigh-in?

51:03Hey, Ojo, the sauna be packed. Everybody be trying to sweat it out, trying to sweat some of them pounds out. Boy, listen, I ain't never seen nothing like that in my life. Oh, my God.

51:15Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I ain't got to get no hot tub and steam because they didn't have a sauna in Denver. They had one in Baltimore. Hey, Sharp, you going? I'm like, hold on. How you mofos eating pizza in the damn sauna? What kind of bull job is that? In the sauna? They in the sauna. Oh, no. Man, they grab a piece and go get in the sauna.

51:40Shannon Sharpe:Damn. I don't know. Maybe it's just me. But I was like, nah, it's too hot in there. And they constantly pouring water on the rocks and it's getting steamy. Oh, yeah. It's getting hotter and hotter. Oh, yeah. Man, hey, put some water on the rocks. Nah, don't put no more water on the rocks. Oh, yeah. I ain't never heard of that. People in there eating pizza. So typically, guys go in there when they try to sweat their alcohol at them pours. I'm trying to figure out. Guys going there, guys get in the sauna. They start getting in the sauna. Damn, then Wednesday. Wednesday after practice. They end up Thursday after practice.

52:15Shannon Sharpe:They end up Friday morning. Yeah. Then they end up Friday again after practice. Yeah. I'm like, well, damn. How much do y 'all weigh? Y 'all had to do that too often? Huh? Y 'all had to weigh in too when you was playing? Yeah, hell yeah. They had to weigh in. Hell yeah. I think everybody got that. Oh, in football, I didn't know y 'all had to do it. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah, and you got to pay a certain amount for every pound. $50 a pound that you over. And it doubles every pound. Hey, listen, I ain't going to lie to y 'all. I like that method, like that pad run over it, because it holds you accountable.

52:51And, you know, it helps your performance, whether guys know it or not, where you ain't just snacking all day eating no BS, bro. Like, it keep you in line. You know what I mean? But I didn't know football did. I think Miami is the only team that does it for real.

53:05Shannon Sharpe:No, we had to weigh in. Man, look here. Early in my career, I remember Dan used to have us weigh in on Sundays because he said God was making weight on what – and the way they was playing Sunday at the game, they might have done gained weight back. So he would weigh us in Sunday before pregame. Damn. Before you eat, yes. Oh, yeah, you're going to be playing with it. Yes. Oh, Joe, you probably had no problem. I've never had a weight problem. And I'm saying, but the thing, especially once a guy make way in, once a guy make way in, Joe, bro, okay, you made way in. Now you got wings. Now you got all this stuff, bro.

53:47Shannon Sharpe:What you did? All you did was get that water pop. That ain't no weight. Because once you eat and drink, you're going to put that water back on. And guess what? Your body, because you dehydrated so much, it's going to hold on to everything. Yep. Yep. Yeah, hey, Joe, I ain't get fine at all, Joe. I ain't going to get fine. Yeah, it probably wasn't enough for you to make your way here on Joe. Man, Joe, I was so little when I was playing, I was skinny. Like right now, it's probably the biggest I ever been, Joe. Yeah. But just imagine if you were running, if you would think about how much you ran during practice and how much you ran.

54:22Shannon Sharpe:Just imagine if you ran. That's what you'd be. Yeah. You'd be that right now. As I'm saying, you're not a naturally big man. you say when I'm gonna get some ways you're not that's not your genetic makeup

54:38Shannon Sharpe:no and what I'm saying guys will eat pizza in the sauna once they may wait cause we got pizza I don't know how y 'all get pizza we got pizza every Friday we got pizza and wings every Friday right so they might come in there you might have 20-25 pizzas so you got all these pizzas you know I'm simple I might get a slice I'm going up out there, I'm good Pizza and chicken So we got Popeyes You got so many miles, you got so many spicy, you got probably a hundred biscuits You got chicken strips You got all that I like wings, so hey, I get a slice of pizza maybe, but I got the wings My wings got my name on it Because I got tired of getting everybody that got the wings and gone and everything, so they would just bring me Mike had him to get me four wings.

55:28Shannon Sharpe:I just want four wings and a biscuit. They're cool. I just don't know how those guys eat. We had guys and I remember Dan told a guy, I ain't gonna call his name, he says, if you make weight I'll give you all the money, all the money that I've taken from you in two years, I'll give it back to you. He knew dude couldn't make it. He made it? Hell no. he may wait maybe the very first time maybe the very first time he may wait after that he ain't gonna make it you know what there's only one position they have a problem with that and it gotta be a D tackle it gotta be the D tackle is the only person I mean Joe even on our team on our team Joe and listen Big Sam Adams remember Big Sam Adams on I played with Sam and Goose For real?

56:23Shannon Sharpe:And they ain't wait? Hey, boy. Hey, Sam, look at Goose. Goose, you way in today? Nah. Hey, Goose, you way in today? Nah, okay. Ain't no way in. Come on, guys. We got to get. Hey, Joe, them boys were big, Joe. Yeah. No, you got to have some discipline, boy. Under that type of structure. Yeah. I'm telling you. I'm telling you, bro. I think more teams need to adopt that in the NBA, especially because we're dealing with so many injuries. Right. You know, because I know when guys are at home and they just chilling, they snacking, eating Zuzuzus and Wham Whams all day. And y 'all know, y 'all know that pile up.

57:00You can eat 800 calories to 1 ,000 calories. You know what I mean? And don't even realize it.

57:07Shannon Sharpe:Oh, man. But I was, see, I was cardio, Joe. So even Monday, even before we went, because we'd run, we'd have to run after the game. I would do cardio. I'd get up at like 7 o 'clock and before I have to – because if we won, if we won, we didn't have to be – you come in and get your workout in and we were off. I would do an hour of cardio before I got there, and then I would get a lift in. Damn. And then I would run sprints. My legs were already loose. I would do cardio on Tuesday for an hour. I would do cardio before practice and, I mean, before I left my house. I had a stationary bike. I would do cardio or I'd go to the complex where I was staying and do cardio.

57:52Shannon Sharpe:And then I would do cardio after Wednesday practice and after Thursday practice. Because I wanted my weight low. Like you say, Joe, I want to be disciplined. Mike's like, hey. And as I started to get older, Mike was like, you know, you want your weight to go up two or three pounds? I said, nah, I want to be under the same structure. And I know it's harder as you start to age. And plus, it starts to get cold. So guess what? You bundled up out there, Ocho. I'm bundled up out there. I ain't trying to be like them linemen going out there with shorts and cut-off shirts. Hell nah. And I got a thermal shirt on.

58:26Shannon Sharpe:I got a sweatshirt on. I got all that on. Hell nah. But I knew for me to be my best, I need to be focused. I need to have tunnel vision. So chicken and rice it was. Chicken and rice or turkey and rice or eight ounces of Filet, that's what it was. Green beans, black-eyed peas, whole kernel corn, stuff like that. Yeah. Some guys, man, I was like, bro, man, we got a guy. We supposed to cook. Okay, they give you a weight. Did they give you a weight to come to camp, Joe? No, because I got to Miami midway through the season. Ocho, did they give you a weight to Cincinnati that you – Okay, Ocho, your weight to report to training camp is 185 pounds.

59:13Yeah. Nah, they let me go because they already knew whatever it was I was going to be under.

59:18Shannon Sharpe:How we get, they gave, I remember, they gave a guy a body weight he needed to come in at. How you come in 11 pounds overweight? Damn.

59:29I'm looking like, did you do anything?

59:34Shannon Sharpe:Anything. How you 11 pounds? You know what? I can't even see two or three because you had the whole damn summer. they gave you the weight before you leave. They give you a weight and say this is what we want you to report back at. So you knew that so seven weeks ago they gave you this weight.

59:56You know them big boys if they not in that structured environment boy it's hard to lose weight.

1:00:01Shannon Sharpe:It is man. I don't feel bad for people running. I run with them. So you know they got they might have eight 100s. They might have ten 100s. You might have to run morning practice and afternoon practice. To get that weight off your arm. Yeah. With the garbage bag on, Unc? I'm running with him, old joke. You know, I ain't got, man, I feel bad for him. Because if you out there running, everybody looking at you, they know why you're running. Your fat ass ain't in shape. Y 'all had them conditioning tests you had to take? Yeah, we had to be, yes. When you come back right before camp? Yeah, I used to love those.

1:00:40Shannon Sharpe:We had the 10-40 test. What's that? You had to run 40. You had to run 10-40 yard dash. So basically, let's just say my time is 4-6. You had to run all of them things in like 4-8 or less. And back to back. Boy, look. And people are like, oh, that ain't that. Okay. Yeah, the first three or four might not be bad. When do you get your ass to six or seven? Yep. Hey, boy, them conditioning tests ain't no joke. But if you come in in shape, though, if you come in in shape, you can breeze through it. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, for sure. It's the guys who ain't been doing that, and then you come in and try to do that conditioning test, and you about pack the pack.

1:01:24Shannon Sharpe:Them hamstrings going to be on fire. Hey, I used to love them conditioning tests, Joe. I ain't love them, Mocho. I ain't fit to lie to you. I ain't love them now. I need it. Hell nah. Yeah, you know, I come in an immaculate shape. Not football shape. I'm talking about immaculate shape, just being able to run all day. Oh, yeah, because we done ran. Football shape and running shape is something entirely different. It's completely different. Hey, Joe, until I get people pushing and pulling and tugging on me and me having to move and move around objects and move around people, then that's football shape.

1:01:57But hold on. What was your regimen like when the season was over? Let's say you took a little time off for you to get back in shape. You was a runner. You just used to like.

1:02:06Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a track background. So let's just say at the absolute height of my conditioning, Joe, we were running somewhere between 20 and 25 110s with 14 to 16 seconds with a 45-second break. I'm saying you were doing that by yourself in the offseason? I would do that by myself. I've run as many as 30. I ran the first 15, and everybody's like, man, it's too hot. I'm done. and I ran the last 15 by myself so I put myself on the clock. Did you and your brother... We might have 150s so you gotta wait 150s you gotta run you gotta run say 17 seconds 18 seconds and you get a minute and a half off.

1:02:57And people

1:02:58Shannon Sharpe:like, but what we do is that we run and then you walk back to the start. So we run the 200 so we had we run 2200s and you got to make it in 32 seconds yeah so we run finish and walk back across the field by the time you get back across the field it's time to go again and joe my conditioning was so good it really wasn't you know anything like uncle was doing but i i used i played soccer during during the offseason joe yeah and i did boxing and i didn't do boxing not to fight joe i did boxing strictly for my feet work yeah having having somebody in in front of you joe is no different my strength was man to man having somebody right up in my face yeah my strength yeah and obviously mentally it helped me build somewhat somewhat of a callous mentally not worrying about getting hit no you know you know when you spar sometimes and then you go on the football field you don't care what's around you you just focus on what you got to do with a ball coming not worried about i don't i know it's weird how that work and i was so fucking violent Joe with my hands to be a little person.

1:04:06It's weird. I was so small but Joe, I was so violent with my hands waxing off like if something touched me, I'd get it off me because I know if somebody get a hand on me, I'm not going nowhere. I'm not going nowhere. Joe, I was so violent. Hey, Joe, I'm talking about violent and quick as hell. Like that phone booth, I'm getting the fuck up I'm sorry my bad for cursing I'm getting the hell up out of there Joe but as a receiver though that's what y 'all taught right with your hands you gotta be quick with your hands yeah and I'm throwing as soon as I move I'm throwing something whether you stab or not I'm putting something coming up out of there

1:04:49Shannon Sharpe:yeah but the smaller thing it was when we had the jumbo days when you gotta run 400s and 300s and 200s and 150 Joe those were the days that's what got me but it didn't really bother me because i could run the 400 so i really i could pace you had you couldn't be like you're supposed to do like 70 seconds or less so i could do a minute take three minutes off and do it again so that's what you know i could build up like that but each week we add and we get better and better and then like two weeks we start backing it down because the one thing i didn't want hell i didn't want to peak on the damn track.

1:05:26Shannon Sharpe:I need to save some of this. But I got my ass at camp. I think that's how... What got me to running like that is that when I first got to Denver, and Dan, if you jumped outside, you had to run a 400. You had to run around football fields. And so he'd get frustrated at the offense, and hell, somebody's like, oh, y 'all bull-jibbing. And so he'd tell everybody to take off. Oh, yeah. And football... Hey, Ocho, remember I told you, Ocho, I don't know what it was. All I did was, hey, you get tired? Yeah. Hey, on two, on two.

1:06:04Shannon Sharpe:Got. Take off. God dang, sharp.

1:06:11Shannon Sharpe:Man, I could have it. Hey, Ocho, I was out of there. I was out of there. Hey, that's funny. Hey, full speed. Full speed. And so, you know, we have two minute drills. Okay, you got to go until you score. Right. So you don't lie with A-sharp. Come on. Let's get it. So we get a big playoff to start. Might break it back. All right. First down. First down. Damn touchdown. Ain't no first down, man. Delay a game. Back it up.

1:06:42Shannon Sharpe:Bad, Ocho. Bad. I'm going to be on swole. Yeah. I'm going to be on. We score. We done. Yep. They create their own scenarios. Yes, sir. Boy, Ocho. Oh, my goodness. It was a days, Ocho. It was a days, man. It was a days. I wouldn't take anything from that. It took all of that. And you realize, because like, the likelihood of in two-minute drill, Ocho, you scored on the first play, it ain't very good. Nah. Not at all. You might get a situation where you get a big play, but I'm talking about just take it to the house. Right, right, right. Nah. Joe, y 'all had two-a-days? Y 'all do two-a-days? Yeah.

1:07:22Basketball? In basketball? NBA? Well, yeah. I ain't know that. I mean, they don't do it no more though, huh? Man, I don't think they do it no more. But when I first came in the league, Ocho, all the way up to 10, 11, 12 years? Yeah.

1:07:39Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Two a day, partner. Damn, practice would be hard too though, Joe. Man, what? I wish those players today could see how we practiced. Back then? hey I'm talking about a good 2 hours and 45 minutes Joe sometimes easy depending on how many times you mess up and we have practices we've been passed both practices Joe yeah like now they got they might practice and pass in the morning Ocho and they got walkthroughs or they got film study this afternoon film study huh no sir same with basketball man look you have to be taped before you had to be taped for both of them practices you know i'm saying they was gonna go well over two hours now i think if they do do two a days i think the first one or the either or the first one of them got to be two hours another one got to be like an hour you know they've scaled everything back now it ain't the same no more right right well see that's like that's what see when mike came mike was like okay the second practice is going to be based on how where the first practice go.

1:08:45Right, right. Yeah.

1:08:47Shannon Sharpe:So, you know, we might have a 10-10-10 practice. Right. Offense 10, defense 10. Offense 10, defense 10. Offense 10, defense 10. We up out of there. Mm-hmm. We try to make that thing perfect. Now, you go out there, boy, look here.

1:09:08Shannon Sharpe:I guess that's why the old hips ain't what they used to be. that way they used to be hey you got it though man I was thinking about it

1:09:22Shannon Sharpe:was NFL as hard as college I don't think our practices in the NFL I think NFL practices are more mentally challenging to me I don't know what everybody has but I'm saying at Savannah State Bill Davis got it would Bill Davis say I'm going to get butter from a duck he got it up out of you he got it Bill Davis said hey I gotta trim the fat he said I'm gonna push you to the edge and I'm gonna slowly bring you back nah just go ahead and push me over the edge I ain't trying to come back I ain't trying to come back but Bill Davis got it out there and it's so hot if you from Chatham County if you from down that area you know them sand nats are bad I don't know if y 'all know anything about Paris Island but Paris Island was the Marines trained.

1:10:14Shannon Sharpe:Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And they got Sand Nats. And I had never heard of those. I mean, I knew what to say. I heard of Sand Nats because Savannah the minor league team, that's what they were called. They were called the Sand Nats. So I knew what they were, but I ended up having the experience a little bit because of Savannah country. They had them. Man, I got down to Ocho. Boy! I'm talking about Ocho. I'm talking about they had to toe me up. I'm talking about somebody just took needles and poked me. That's how bad them things toe me up. Some people call them sand fleas. But boy, and they were bad.

1:10:51Shannon Sharpe:It was hot. It was long. I ain't never heard of them. It was hitting. I had to Google that, saying that. Hey, hey. What did they say, Ocho? I'm looking at them right now. What did they say they do to you? saying that's also known as no-see-ums or biting midges are tiny 1-3 millimeter flies that deliver painful itchy bites primarily in coastal marshy and damp areas Savannah, coastal and marshy they call it the coastal empire hey that mean they down here they down here, huh? I don't know, they might have them down there, I've never heard, but I know they down in Savannah, man look here my senior year band of faith got so bad Ocho and Joe, man, I started me a bar and fire.

1:11:40Shannon Sharpe:They said, God damn, Mom, you gonna burn the whole field now.

1:11:46Shannon Sharpe:Man, I'm telling you, man, I started wearing sleeves, man. They had me tore up. Anybody from Savannah, y 'all, hey, jump in the chat. Anybody from Savannah, the Charleston area, Parris Island, the South Carolina, man, they had me on fire. Hey, listen. I'm with you because college was the hardest for me, Ocho. Yeah. As far as from a working standpoint. Yes, yes. That's all I'm saying. From a working standpoint. I'm talking about they getting you up at 5 in the morning, them running them heels. Shh. Hey, man, we put in some work, partner. Like, you know, at 18 years old, you know, I had some hard working days in my younger days.

1:12:31But when I got to college, it was nothing like that, bro.

1:12:33Shannon Sharpe:Oh, man. Bill Davis told us, say, look, if you can't better yourself by coming to college, if college, if you can't better yourself from college, if your situation at home is better than this, you're at the wrong place.

1:12:50Shannon Sharpe:You're at the wrong place. Man, I couldn't go back to Glenville, man. Working that hard-ass job.

1:12:59Shannon Sharpe:I mean, I worked basically until like the last week. Last week, I had to buy school clothes. Yeah. What kind of job are you doing? I was working in the fields, man. At that time, my senior year, because the guy that I used to work for, Mr. Joe Tatum, he had stopped half planting tobacco. He had really transferred into like put wooding, cutting down trees, logging, that situation. So he had moved on from that. So that was like my junior year. He stopped that. And so I worked for a guy up the road named Thurman Dasher. He had tobacco, so we still worked with him and some of the crew that went with Thurman Dasher.

1:13:39My senior year, I did landscaping, laid asphalt, things like that.

1:13:45Shannon Sharpe:And so we landscaped, and we had to be in Savannah. I lived in Glenville, which is 65 miles away. We had to be on the job. We had to be on the job like 6.30, 7 o 'clock. So one time I got to be up early. So the guy, Tim, I think it was Tim. Tim Fair. It was twin. I don't know. I forget which one it was. He would pick me up, drive down to Savannah. We land skate or we lay asphalt, do all kind of stuff, and then come back. When I got back home, I would shower, go straight, ride my bike to the park, play basketball, or go to the field and run sprints. ride my basketball ride my bike back home or my sister would come pick me up I put the bike in a car and we'd go back home I'd probably get home probably around 10 he gonna come horn gonna blow probably about really he didn't really blow cause I was already out on the porch cause my grandmama might be asleep or somebody would sleep so I was already sitting on the porch waiting for him probably about 5.30 cause 6.30 6.45

1:14:54Shannon Sharpe:fire the lawnmower up Ocho ready to go that type of work that'd be a character boy it built something my granddaddy used to say rise and shine my uncle said he told me one day I'm gonna rise but I damn sure ain't gonna shine

1:15:13Shannon Sharpe:but I just what I knew that's what I knew and I'm looking at because I'm the youngest I'm 18, just turned 18 and I'm working there and I see guys 28, 30 35 doing the job that I have been doing I say man there ain't no way in hell I'm doing this the rest of my life oh hell no with no with no insurance and you done had to get the man done had to sign for you okay you done had to you know you done been on the they done signed for you well I ain't gonna be able to make it to work today alright well go ahead and send me the keys Yeah. Yeah, he signed for the car. So he couldn't get the truck key. You can't go nowhere.

1:15:54Shannon Sharpe:Right. All right, I'll be out there in a minute. I said, man, that ain't no kind of life, man. I ain't felt that. Hey, listen, that's why I'm like you. I worked at UPS when I was 18. I was in high school. And I used to see all them old dudes in there. They all had back braces. They're like, Joe, you need to get your back brace. I'm like, back brace? Shit, it's temporary. I don't plan anything. Yeah, exactly. I ain't going to be here alone to have no back problems. I promise you that. Hey, I'm finna get up out of here. Y 'all ain't gonna get nothing but probably a good month out of me. If that, I'm getting up out of here.

1:16:26I'm going to school probably. Yeah, I ain't, what?

1:16:29Shannon Sharpe:Hey, Joe, man, look here. Them jokers be drinking. They be drinking that white pork. Man. With that TJ Swan. They get them big cans. Joe, y 'all remember them big cans of O.E. and Slip My Liquor? The can about this big. O.E., what's that? That's my liquor. That's my liquor. The Slits was the bull. They used to have commercials. They used to have commercials for Slits malt liquor bull. They used to have an old E800. The can silver. And the other one got a glass, a glass bottle. Big. I'm talking about big. They had to be 24 ounces. Hold on. With the paper. Chad, look at what's in them. Let me see.

1:17:07Shannon Sharpe:They put it in the paper bag, right? The brown paper bag. Hey, look. Ocho, my freshman year of college, my roommate, Larry Satchel, bro. This man used to drink 240 ounces every night of OE. Mind you, we both 18. I'm like, bro, how is you? I'm talking about he cut up though, Uncle Ocho. Boy probably got 5, 6 % body fat. Man drinking OE every night, 240 ounces. Yeah. The big can was 24 ounces. The bottle, that big old glass bottle, Joe, that was the 40 ounce. That's what he had. He drank two of them, bro. We would sit in the living room every night, I swear, and chop it up. He used to drink two Ocho.

1:17:52Shannon Sharpe:Damn. They had that Colt 45. You remember the Colt 45? Yeah. See, they don't really have the commercials like they used to have. Because they used to have commercials all the time. Slismont Liquor, Old E. They had Colt 45, Pabst Blue Ribbon. Yeah, yeah. They had all the commercials on. They used to have. And so, hey, them chokers get drunk out there, Ocho. We end up leaving. and they gonna fall asleep in the woods. Man, look. They get drunk and fall asleep in the woods, yeah. Fall asleep in the woods? Ain't nothing out there? No predators? Nothing? Hey, all I know is they'll be on that damn truck the next morning.

1:18:30Shannon Sharpe:So I don't know what happened. They about to hitchhike a ride. Hitchhike a ride. Because everybody knew everybody from Glenville. Right. And so if it's somebody from Glenville, hey, you just catch a ride. I ain't never been no beer drinker, though. nah but I just hey

1:18:50Shannon Sharpe:I'm a little fella I go in there you know you're not supposed to sell I go in there getting them jokers they don't want to get out the truck they don't want to do nothing they give me money I go in there and get them a beer I go get cigarettes I'm getting everything I want they sell it to me I was 6-7 years old buying oldie Colt 45 cigarettes because hey i was young hey i jumped out of the truck and go get somebody hey yeah hey hey peewee uh uh go get me a go get me a slits or they had a tab because uh mr joe would uh work uh the corner store christine sap her and her husband and they had a corner store so you have a tab and then at the end of the week when he pay you you straighten up so you know guys will get hot dog get beer get whatever they want hey i go in there say hey put this on such and such tab big old beer, cigarettes, come out there, hand it to him.

1:19:47Shannon Sharpe:That was the days, you know, I might have smoked a couple cigarettes back in the day, you know. All right, hey, hey, hey, when you pull, hey, look, look, he say you smoked a couple cigarettes back in the day. I might have called, hey, Pee-wee, your girl, Miss Mary, know you smoke? No, and you ain't gonna tell her. Hey, hey, hey, I might have pulled off one, too. My mama gives us a cigarette to go light the fireworks. Yeah. I may have pulled off that thing one time. Yeah, you took a little puff on that thing, Joe? Just see what it is, you know? My mama smoked them Salem Slims, the Martha Lights, I was like.

1:20:16Hey, my grandma used to smoke Ben.

1:20:17Shannon Sharpe:That's what my mama used to smoke, in the green pack? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what my mama smoked. Yeah, boy, what? My grandma used to smoke Benson and Hedges. Remember Benson and Hedges? Yeah, I know Benson and Hedges, yeah. Grandma used to smoke one. Get him by the carton. Yeah, yeah. That was my uncle, them smoked Winston. Winston tastes good like a cigarette should. I don't even, they don't even have, cigarette commercials anymore. No, sir. In the 70s and the 80s, that's all you saw. Beer and cigarette commercials. Damn. I wonder if cigarette and beer sales are still just as good as they were back then, even though they don't advertise it and market it as much as they do now.

1:21:02I bet you it's up there. It's up there.

1:21:04Shannon Sharpe:Because guess what? The sporting events. and that shit is dick. You can't have a cookout. You can't have a tailgate without no beer, Ocho. They don't even need commercials no more, basically. They don't. And I think they probably passed a lot they can't advertise. Because back then, hell, 18 years old, you could buy beer and smoke cigarettes. But then it kind of shifted a little bit. People started dipping more. The skull came out. The pouchless tobacco came out. They put it in mine, huh? Yeah, yeah. You know, my grandfather used to chew tobacco. He had Redman. My brother used to chew tobacco.

1:21:49Shannon Sharpe:He was a Levi Garrett guy. Both of my grandmas dipped snuff. I don't dip snuff, did all that. Leave it on the country. Yeah, but hey, granite like that honeybee. It was in a little tin can like this here, had brown paper, had brown wrapping around it. Grandma Charlie liked blue navel and bullet the wood. So bullet the wood was like a square. Square tobacco and you take a knife and cut pieces of it off. Boy, bring me my tobacco. Don't worry about it. I'm going to get me a little piece before we get to you. Hold on. You just put it in your mouth? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I'm sure they still do dip snuff, but I don't know if grandparents dip snuff and chew tobacco like my grandparents did.

1:22:37Shannon Sharpe:Nah, nah. Okay, okay. Yeah, oh yeah. But I'm done with the day, hey. Send me to get some, I gotta get me a little something too. Yeah. Yeah, but granny chewed red man and boy honeybee. That was the name of the snuff, honeybee. Boy, bring me some snuff back. Alright. Boy, done with the day. I look back on that. I'm going to call Spanky tomorrow. I said, man, Spanky, you remember we used to dip brandy snuff? Man, look. Hey, hey. Boy, look, I got some story. Me and the homies went to the – we snuck out the house one night. Uncle Ocho was probably about 1.30, 2 o 'clock in the morning. And the women got some black and mild.

1:23:24We had never smoked no black and mild. We got some black and mild. We walking back to the house. My grandma got a green – she had a green Crown Vic. I seen that green crown Vic coming. I said, I know the name. My grandma coming. We walking and smoking like we grown. Boy, we see, hey, once I knew my girl, you should see, we stopped. We just threw them. We threw them, right? So she said, get y 'all ass in this car. It's 2 o 'clock in the morning. We probably ain't but 15. Man, soon we got in the car. She said, y 'all been smoking dope. I said, man. I said, nobody been smoking dope, no. She said, I'm telling your uncle's on you, boy.

1:24:01You talking about some guys getting right. Yeah. Hey, I remember, hey, Joe, I don't know if they had, where y 'all from, Uncle Joe? Y 'all remember Beattie's? Little Beattie's. It's like, damn, I don't know how to explain it, man. I used to get them from the corner store. What word? What word? It's like, almost like a cigar, like a blackened mild, but it was real, real thin. I think I know somebody who used to smoke something. Yeah, somebody in the chat got to know what Beattie's are. I just smoked them before before I understood what cigars were at the time yeah

1:24:38Shannon Sharpe:my grandfather I think that's where my brother get it from that's where my brother likes cigars my grandfather smoked cigars and he had pipe tobacco you know what I'm saying that pouch tobacco he had a pipe that you dip it up out of there pack it down up in there so he smoked he spoke from a pipe and he smoked cigars. And, you know, a lot of them old men, really, they rolled their cigarettes. Yeah. So they had Prince Albert or they smoked a palm oil, which didn't have filters. So them old men was like, hey, man. Hey, hey. Them old men had some lugs on them. Hey, boy, listen. God rest my grandpa's soul, boy, baby.

1:25:23He smoked nothing but that gas, Uncle Ocho. Ooh, I'm talking about the whole house. Like, you hear me? My grandpa ain't played, boy. Yeah. Peace to the planet. Charlamagne Tha God here. And listen, we are back. The Black Effect Podcast Festival is back in Atlanta on April 25th at Pullman Yard. Yeah. And the full lineup is nuts. We got the Grits and Eggs podcast. Deontay Kyle and Big Ice Cup Cat. We got Club 520 with Jeff Teague and the gang. Don't call me white, girl. Mona will be there. Keep it positive, sweetie, with Crystal Renee. We got reality with the king with Carlos King. And yes, Drink Champ will be in the building.

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