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24:14Shannon Sharpe:But when you put it out there like that, Ocho, man, you're asking for a lot of criticism. We'll get back to that in a minute. We got a very special guest joining us. We got former Pro Bowler, former Raven, former New York Giant, former Raider. joining us uh darren waller darren how you doing man how y 'all doing appreciate y 'all having me man i'm doing amazing let me ask bro you playing i mean you look you have a little setback and we're getting to that a little bit you get drafted by the ravens you have you know have some issues you end up going to the ravers where you revive your career playing unbelievable you go to the giants and having success there and then abruptly you know you stepped away from the game what went into that decision that you're playing basically at the height of your career and you said you know what I need to step away uh I feel like mentally and emotionally I feel like I kept running into similar walls I was running into earlier in my career I wasn't necessarily sabotaging myself in the same way but I just felt like I kept running to the wall like this this isn't really fulfilling to me I feel like there's a lot more room for me to be having joy here I'm not having joy so I feel like I needed to step away to really just reevaluate my life while I was doing the things I was doing.

25:28Was I doing them for me or was I doing them for other people to give me a thumbs up, shit like that. So I feel like taking that time away really presented an organic moment for me to come back and join the Dolphins. You know what, when I think about it too, when you think about that organic moment for you and being able to get away and having a sense of peace, for most, usually football allows us to get that peace away from the world, away from reality. Are you in a space now? Are you in a hidden space now where you think you fulfilled whatever it is you needed to step away from the game from?

26:04And now you can devote your attention to just football. Yeah, I just feel a lot lighter, a lot pure just in my life. You know, I feel like there was a lot of things I was involved in or trying to do just to, I don't know, escape the game in a way. But now I feel like the perspective I got from these last couple of years allows me to step in and just see it the way I saw it. like when I was a kid, you know what I'm saying? Just being excited to play, like having fun, like with the team, just cutting up. Like it's just, I just see it with a whole new pair of glasses now.

26:32Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, that's dope. When you stepped away from the game, did you think it would be as easy as it was to get back in? Cause normally, you know, getting in is easy. Getting back in is really, really hard. Yeah, I feel like dudes ain't just really just like stepping away and then being like, ah, I want to come back. Usually they step away. It's like, there really ain't no coming back. So me coming back into it, I mean, I feel like I've always respected the game. So I'm like, dude, is it still just as fast, stronger, maybe even more so. So I'm like, shit. I practiced maybe three full practices, a couple of limited ones earlier, right when camp first ended.

27:06So I was like, I don't even really know what I'm going to be like when I step back into this. I'm going to get hit too. I ain't got hit in two years. And then to have it go how it went on Monday was just like, you couldn't even script that for real. I think, but when you think about it too, when you were in the game, you were still one of the better players in the league at your position. I mean, just removing yourself for two years, two years from that, and coming back with just two years, you're still going to be one of the better players at your position, as you saw when you guys played. So I'm excited for you.

27:36Skies is obviously the limits. Tyreek Hill is now gone. And so that puts you to even more of a bigger role because knowing Mike McDaniels and the creativity he has offensively, you can create mismatches with you all damn day. All damn day. Yeah, for sure.

27:54Shannon Sharpe:how long did it take you for your spidey senses to come back because you know like when you enjoy like when you take like four months off it takes you a while to really understand like okay this is where my dangerous body of danger over here the guys coming up from behind i need to get up in my shadow being away for two years i can only imagine and your spidey senses are shut off for two years how soon did it take them to start tingling again where you felt okay this is man's I got danger on my right. I need to get up in my shadow. I need to spin left. I need to spin right. How long did that take for the comeback?

28:27Bro, I still feel like it's coming back because, like, during the week of practice last week, like, we had, like, put a play in where I was kind of running, like, like a choice, but, like, it kind of turns into, like, a wheel route. And I was out there, like, on the red line. I'm thinking I'm on the red line. I catch it. Like, my feet are just barely inbound. So, I'm like, I got to get my field spacing back. But, luckily, like, that first play, first third down of the game, it was just like two man and i'm just like all right like i know what this look like i beat this a million times and just like that muscle memory came back but no you're definitely right like i feel like the spacing reading his own seeing how things coverages react from the disguise like post snap i feel like all that shit's got to come back with reps yeah well i mean and speaking of reps was the game too fast for you did it did it feel like you were moving in slow motion a little bit being that you've been away from the game and listen you didn't get a chance of playing the preseason um i'm not sure but game speed is totally different it doesn't matter how much you practice once you get in the game playing against somebody else you'd be like what the hell has had you have you caught up to that yet are your legs are your legs up underneath you yeah i feel like it was a good start monday you know i'm saying like i was getting you know reps against guys like sauce and you know there's good there's good athletic guys on that defense that's moving fast so i feel like it's a good start and you know i'll probably see matchup guys with guys like jc on Sunday with the Panthers.

29:49They got some guys that can cover. So, I mean, I feel like it's only going to get better for me. I feel like the little things tops of the routes, just to feel like how I'm feeling in stems and just, you know, playing fast and not really thinking is going to probably take some time. But I feel like I'm probably further along than I think I was just off Monday night because I didn't know what to expect.

30:09Shannon Sharpe:I think the thing is that, like you said, I mean, you really haven't – it wasn't like you were out running routes because you didn't know if you were going to come back. and so now basically they're putting you out there and you got to hey do I rip do I swim what do I do do I press I mean do I get on the outside I know I'm I don't want to square him up because I don't want him to get my whole chest I just want to get my shoulder to hit how soon did the route running aspect of it come back like I said well it's still coming back bro like I got so I had got injured when a few weeks into my training of when I said all right I'm gonna play again and that had me out for real until last week so like i had a few practices before i got hopped in that game so it's really all just coming back to me as we go along so like these wednesday these thursday practices is like super intentional you get bad and feel super intentional for me to try like all right how can i curate like everything that dudes was doing throughout camp you know i'm kind of like trying to hustle up and kind of get back into into that flow but also just understand like you know i am where i'm where i am i'm supposed to be here right now i ain't got to be where anybody else is at in their journey.

31:14My journey is probably as weird and unique as it gets. You know what I'm saying?

31:21Shannon Sharpe:With the Tyreek, were you on the field when Tyreek got injured or did you see it on the Jumbotron? No, I was right there. So we had ran like, I don't know if they call it a crash concept in your day, but it's like the dude in the slot runs like the 12 yard out and you got the under from number one. The smash route. Yeah, it's the smash concept. Yeah, I ran a little under from number one and I seen the ball go over my head. So I turned, I'm like, and Reid caught it. And then I just saw, like, and then I seen his leg dangling. And it was just like, just instantly, just like, it just brought me to the ground.

31:49Like, I didn't even know my body. I just didn't even know how to react.

31:55Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, because they said he suffered a dislocated knee, torn ACL, and maybe some other ligaments damage. It's tough seeing that. So obviously, you know, and Mike McDaniel is telling the story of how he's, you know, he's joking with some of the guys. like guys you just make sure you get this win knowing because look you've been around this game enough you know when it's a serious injury nobody has the doctor doesn't have to tell you anything you don't have to hear a write a report you've been around this game enough you see that you know yeah he's not coming back yeah straight away i turned around and i was like come come get him come they got to put him in the air cast immediately yeah but so you was with Gruden.

32:37Shannon Sharpe:I think you were Gruden because he's like, Hey, this, this guy, he saw you. What has been the biggest difference between Gruden and Mike McDaniel? Because they both, this, this basically, uh, the verbiage might be a little different, but this is the West coast system. Yeah. No, the similarities between the two, just coming from like the, the founding fathers, like my, like Mike Shanahan and Gruden, like, it's kind of easy for me to pick up the concept. Like there's different words, different nuances, but, um, they're both really like, They're one of one individuals. I don't think I've ever met anybody with personalities like either one of them.

33:10They got their own unique sense of humor. But, I mean, they love ball, for real. They love putting the guys in position to do something with their career, do something with their lives. It's a really fun energy to be around. I feel like both of them got just a distinct energy.

33:27Shannon Sharpe:I don't know. It's hard for you to say. but the word out of there have been reports that he was too lenient and guys were coming late to practice and guys were coming late to meetings and guys were overweight what have you seen in your short time there that leads you to believe that you know what he's the guy that can get this fixed he's the guy that can turn this around and get the dolphins going in the right direction i've seen a sense of urgency just since july um from cleaning up you know that like the the fines that guys had from last year and just like all the little things that's just like how the how the fuck are we doing this and thinking that we gonna win like i feel like he's put in his energy and and use his words to be like hey like this is this has got to change and you know of course it starts with me but at the same time it's like it's really up to the guys in the locker room to police this and i feel like the captains have really really gone out gone out that way for sure to make sure things are different from that regard you know and results on the field sometimes it's like okay it may take a while to get things going like that's how the league goes it's just super competitive but from the standpoint of little things like you just described i haven't seen any of that um this year and so it's like all right like once you have that out the way like we can actually go somewhere locker room controls the football team they police they run you gotta show me the team that has the strong locker room and i'll show you a team that consistently win you show me a team that like that the locker room and the guys don't hold the other guys accountable and I'll show you a team.

34:55Shannon Sharpe:Just let me, you let me go. You put me in any locker room for a week and I don't know anything. So I'm going in there blind. I'm just going to happen to be in the locker room. I'm just going to be observant. I'll tell you who's winning and who's losing. Matter of fact, AD, since you came back, right? Two years removed. Obviously, you get an opportunity to come back, play for the Dolphins. Obviously, you have your team goals. From an individual standpoint, two years removed for the game of football, what would be a successful season to you? now that you've returned? I think a successful year for me is, you know, really just kind of keeping the same mindset I had before.

35:30It's like, I don't necessarily know if it'll be 100 catches. I don't know if it'll be the metrics that they once were five, six years ago. But just the same process of, like, however many opportunities it is, like, those opportunities are going to get maximized. That's how I kind of try to measure success, try to get away from, like, the stats and everything like that. And really just kind of, like, being a leader, kind of being one of those guys like that Shannon was just discussing. Like, I'm the oldest guy on the team, I think, which is wild. Like, I was turned 33, September 13th. Oh, that ain't bad.

36:04That's young. Right. So just kind of like embodying that presence, too, and just kind of like some of the shit that I've been through, coming in, going back, like going from where I was in my career. I can relate to where any of these dudes is at in their career, from practice squad to getting cut to getting traded to on the rise, It's like just kind of stepping up in my leadership ability, I would say, as well.

36:25Shannon Sharpe:Now that you're back in football, because when you stepped away from the game, you stepped into music. Obviously, that's a passion of yours. But now that you're back in football, have you put music on the back burner? Is that something that you're going to pick back up once your football career is on? Yeah, it's kind of on the back burner for now, for sure. I think I've written one verse or two since July and a hook or two for a song, but I haven't really been doing anything. It's been focused on football for real. I got a lot of songs. I'll tease some shit, put some music behind, some posts that I'll put out, but all those songs are recorded before I even got back out here.

37:01It'll be nice to take a break because I was going hard with it and creating in my time off, so I feel like it's a good flow for me to be back in ball. When it's time to pick the mic back up again, and I feel like I'll be ready.

37:13Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I mean, I haven't really heard a whole lot of rappers from Georgia Tech, but okay. Hey, I'm glad you do that. I guess it's a new thing, Daryl. Hey, we open to it. Yeah, hey, you know, one of my hobbies and one of my passions is, you know, I write. I've written for a few artists. So at any point you pick that mic back up, let me know. I've written for Drake. I've written for Nicki Minaj. I've written for Lil Wayne. You got real credits? Oh, yeah, I got real credits. I wrote for Beyonce. If you look at their credits on some of the songs that I've done, I'm in the credits. Huh? Your connection fucked up?

37:56I got it. I'm going to show it to you. I'm going to send it to you. But yeah, we get in the studio, do a little something, a little duo, a little duet or something. Say less, bro. And I need to know, what's the best cigar lounge in South Florida, bro? I'm in like Fort Lauderdale area. Hey, listen, we can go together. Smoke on the water. Smoke on the water? Smoke on the water, right there, right off Royal Palm Boulevard.

38:22Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, or it's a - You know, Darren, I don't do nothing but smoke them Daniel Marshalls. Hey, send me my cigars, man. Whoa, whoa, I'm talking to the guests. This ain't got nothing to do with you, Ocho. I'm telling a man what I smoke. You don't even smoke. You don't even smoke. Ocho. You see, all I'm saying is that the Daniel Marshall, those with 24-carat, you know, I got a box of those. Can you see my cigars? Hey, D, on Pembroke Pines Boulevard, there's another cigar bar called Aficionados. Them two I go to is real nice. I ain't smoking those 24-carat gold, but. Yeah, you look gold. Leave you look gold.

39:06Shannon Sharpe:You know, Daniel Marshall, next time you go to the cigar bar, that ain't going to be in the case. You just can't go pull them because, you know, they're like 85 to 120 a stick. But, you know. Nah, AD, don't listen to him. Them sticks cost$289 a part. Oh, nah, we all got it. Listen. Yeah, they're$289. Ocho, why you mad? Because I got a box of them. Damn. I see you a couple. Hey, AD, them sticks were probably sent to him by accident. They were probably for me. How? You don't smoke cigars, huh? Whoa, whoa, whoa. So we'll get to that. Oh, you know, Black and Miles? Darren, in 2020, you founded the Darren Waller Foundation with the mission to equip youth to avoid and overcome addiction of drugs and alcohol, support the youth and their family during the recovery and treatment journey.

39:54Shannon Sharpe:I don't know how well our audience know, but you were originally drafted by the Ravens. I mean, a guy that's your size, 6 '5 1⁄2", 255 pounds, can run like you can run. You're a match-up problem. No linebackers doing anything with you. Safety, they're just too small. People are putting their best corner. You beat Salesforce for a touchdown. You were getting, when you were at your prime, when you were with the Raiders, I thought you were going to get my record that day too. I think you had like 15 catching for 200 yards. I'm like, damn, he going to get it. To overcome what you overcame, when you were at your darkest, did you understand that, man, I'm throwing this great opportunity away.

40:34Shannon Sharpe:Did you understand when you're in it? Do you understand or do you realize that you actually have an addiction? Who told you you have an addiction? When did you realize you had an addiction? Yeah, that's a great question. I feel like in the moment, I don't think you can, I think you're too numb. At least I was. Like, for me, like, the drinking and shit like that was to numb a lot of things I was feeling, thinking, experiencing. So in those moments where, you know, a normal person would feel like, oh, fuck, like I'm throwing this shit away. Like, I don't have access to that feeling. like it's all kind of shut off you know i'm saying and i had guys like uh ben watson was with the ravens when i was there like right before i got suspended he was like if you could just like lock in bro like you don't know where this shit could go like like a whole bunch of people just telling me that and i'm just like i can't really receive it because i also don't really have that much confidence um in myself so i realized i was addicted when uh because i od'd in 2017 it was like a month before what would have been my third season and i was probably gonna be a starting tight end in Baltimore that year that was 2017 and uh yeah I OD'd and then went to rehab a month later and I'm just sitting there listening to everything they're saying I'm like damn like I definitely that's 100 % me it's all throughout my family you know I'm saying like throughout like the generations of my family it's kind of like impacted a lot of people so it's passed on to me and then being able to have the opportunity to be like all right I could change the course of generations going forward for my family and also just you know be somebody that people can look to because like me shit i don't fuck that plenty times and but they can still be successful whatever they got going yeah how how old were you when when you started drinking or you started dabbling with drugs were you young or whether you got to college you started drinking you know college atmosphere was it a high school i was pretty young i was like 15 my i got into uh like painkillers like the hydrocodone five milligram 10 milligrams first uh started smoking weed and drinking after that probably like junior year and uh was just kind of off from there it got real crazy through college and through my first couple years in the league and then so it's about like a 10 year run from like 15 to i got sober like a month for my 25th birthday

42:48Shannon Sharpe:what would you want your what message would you like to share with the youth about what they can potentially overcome given you're the best person you're the best teacher because you've overcome something you know a lot of what these kids are dealing with you know a lot of the signs you know a lot of the symptoms you know a lot of man i'm all right no you're not because that seat that you're sitting in i sat in that seat for about a decade now i'm in this seat and i want to share with you the message of how you can beat this addiction uh the message for me is just like there are so many different ways that we try to mask what we really feel in or who we really are we compare ourselves to so many different people there has to be some level of return to like authenticity find like a comfortability like a peacefulness and a joy and just being like exactly who you are because i feel like me this young kid i was like it all stemmed from the pain i felt from feeling like i was always like the odd man out or people thought i was too weird or i had big ears big feet i was getting roasted or like it all started from all these all these little things i was like man i don't feel like i'm right good enough i want to turn to things that make me feel like i'm good enough or at least forget the fact that i'm not good enough and when really it's like there are people around you are going through the same things we just all try to act like we don't have stuff going on in our lives so it's really just being yourself you're going to attract people to to you that love you for who you are and that will support you whatever you go through So I would just say, you know, there is really no peace, no sobriety possible if you don't find ways to really deal with the pain, the trauma that happened earlier in your life or whenever in your life.

44:25And just, yeah, finding peace with just being who you are, whether people like it or not.

44:32Shannon Sharpe:Happiness. Happiness is, you know, people say I found happiness, but happiness is something that you create. Peace is something that you create. how long did it take you to get to that point that you says i'm at peace with darren i'm happy with um it's been elusive man to be honest like i think my journey with like sobriety just kind of seeing life differently started like 2017 and i feel like there were a couple years in there where i was like okay like i'm moving in the right direction and then there was some years in there where i'm like i don't know i feel like i'm kind of moving away like i'm still sober but But there's still something that's blocking a little bit from, say, 21 to 23.

45:12And then it's like since retiring, it's opened up nothing but a path for me to just go as deep as possible with those kind of things and really just look at myself in the mirror. And now I feel like it's a lot more attainable. I feel like the happiness is fleeting, but it's like I'm a lot more content with my life. Like I don't need, I can step into football and just be like, I want to have this experience. This is what I want to do. I don't need it to do something for me, to validate me, to do X, Y, and Z. It's just like, this is the way I'm choosing to live my life. And I'm going to enjoy this shit.

45:46And that's dope, man. The funny thing about it too, I'm really glad. I mean, I'm really glad you're able to be authentic and raw in answering these questions. The questions are phenomenal too, because there are people that are probably in the chat. There are people that are going to see this and people that are dealing with the same issues you are and not knowing how to navigate those situations or how to deal with it. And you being a testimony and being someone that has had issues, but gotten the help and look where you are now. That I mean, that's that's an amazing story. And kudos to you for having for one discipline to do it and stick to it and be able to live out your childhood dream again.

46:27in because most times people don't get a second chance.

46:31Shannon Sharpe:Appreciate that, man. Darren, we're going to get you out of here on this one. Now that you're back, have you put a timetable or a time limit on how long you want to play or you take it year by year or you're like, you know what, I'd really like to get two or three more in or you're saying, you know what, all I know is that I'm going to play 2025 and I'll worry about 2026 and 2026 and beyond once that time arrives. But right now, I'm in the here. I'm in the now. And that's all I can control. I think you really just said it right there, man. Because it's like after experiences like Monday, because I came in.

47:05Like I said, I got hurt my first couple weeks of training. I'm like, damn, bro, are we on this shit again? Like this shit's still happening? And so I'm like, there's doubt. There's fear. Like did I even make the right decision coming back? But then having like a night like Monday, it's like, well, wait. Like this feels like there's still like plenty left here. maybe there is something more down the future but it's like i feel like like you just said playing this season giving this season my all and then reevaluating from there and uh so i'm i'm open to everything i don't want to say i'm done this is just one chapter because you know i don't really know every time i thought i've had my life figured out in which direction it should go i feel like god has flipped the script and been like nope we're going this way now because i i was i was i was set on not playing football ever again but it's like here i am so i'm trying to just remain open.

47:55Shannon Sharpe:Well, Darren, thanks for joining us tonight, man. Congratulations on all the success. Everything that you've overcome lets us know that there is a God and that anything is possible. Stay healthy, and after the season, come back and talk to us. Yes, sir, man. Appreciate you always. I appreciate you coming on, man. Darren Waller, tight end for the Miami Dolphins. To go through what he's gone through, Ocho, to be able to overcome, because, you know, Like you said, he was about to start in Baltimore and ended up getting suspended a couple of times. And they moved on. And now he ends up with the Raiders.

48:30Shannon Sharpe:And he's a Pro Bowl player. I mean, he's at the top. He's one of those top players. And then, you know, all of a sudden, abruptly, he steps away from the game. And for two years, he's like, you know what? I want to come back. And kudos to the Dolphins for giving the opportunity. I don't know if there were other teams out there willing to give him an opportunity. but I know the Dolphins was one because he's playing with the Dolphins. And so it's always great when you, you know, you, you, you, you, you're here, you're down here and then you're back up here again. And so, like you said, he doesn't know if he'll ever be what he once was in his prime, but for him to come back and to show that there's a possibility, because Ocho, you and I talk about it all the time.

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55:00Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, let's pivot back to the Cleveland Browns situation with Dylan Gabriel being named starter. Yeah. Should we be surprised that he was named starter? No. I mean, he was the number two. It shouldn't be a surprise at all. It shouldn't be a surprise at all. he was he listen mr fancy came out before the season started and said that dylan gabriel will be the number two quarterback i mean that's what it is that's what it is so we knew at whatever point things weren't going well for flacco dylan gabriel would be the next man up now things don't go well with dylan gabriel i don't know what's going to happen from that point on that that see that's where i was going next oh you are you're right ocho because it was reported that gabriel was getting first team reps along with Flacco, its earliest training camp.

55:46Shannon Sharpe:So he was getting first team reps. Flacco was getting first team reps. And who was the other quarterback? Damn. From the Steelers. Kenny Pickett. Yeah. Yeah, Pickett. So those guys were getting first team reps. Shadua wasn't getting those reps. So I agree. We shouldn't be surprised. The question that I have for you, if Gabriel struggles, now what do we do do they go back to Flacco or they say oh do they give Shadour an opportunity you know what I'm not sure and and knowing knowing the game understanding the business and knowing how the business works I think they will probably go back to Flacco I think they will go back to Flacco and if things don't work out again and Flacco still not successful when he returns back to the field then I think Shadour will get his his shot somewhere on the back half for the season.

56:39Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, let me ask you a question. Talk to me. If you think Shadour knew what he knew now, you think he goes back to Colorado for his last year? If he knew what he knows now? If he knows what he knows now? Hindsight, yeah. Probably so. Probably so. I think so, too. I would think so. But there's no possible way. There's no possible way. Ocho, there's not a scenario that anybody thought, okay, let's just say, Ocho, he's not the first pick. He's not a top five. He's not a top ten. Let's just say, you know what, Ocho, because you and I having this conversation, let's just say that he's not a first-round pick.

57:18Shannon Sharpe:32 players are going to be selected in the first round. Ain't no way he thought he'd be a fifth-round draft pick. No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. Not at all. And some people will say, well, he wasn't that good. He was mid. Listen, he can play the quarterback position. He can play the quarterback position. He's not a dual threat, but what he lacks in his ability to run the ball, he makes up in other areas. He has other intangibles that makes him a quality quarterback where he should get an opportunity to start on an NFL team. And until he gets the opportunity to prove he can do just that, we're going to have to wait and see.

58:02He should apply for hardship for COVID.

58:08Shannon Sharpe:See, I want to go back and play. You're right. I mean, there is really like no way to really know. I mean, hell, I didn't. Somebody would have told me I was going to be a seven-round draft pick. I said, you out your damn mind. Yeah, yeah. I was the number one rated, one of the number one rated players below, Division one. So I'm like, okay, I ain't going to go in the first round. But somebody tell me I'm not going to be a top three round pick. Man, please. Let me tell you something. You've been around a long time. I've been around long enough to understand that business and how that business works.

58:50Anything they don't like about you before you get there, they will find a way to humble you. They will find a way to humble you. And when your opportunity does present itself, or you got to knock that goddamn door down and close it behind you because you're not going to get very many opportunities especially if they don't like you

59:10Shannon Sharpe:I would have yeah I would have I agree with you Ocho because my brother used to tell me all the time I said man you know I'd be in training camp Ocho and I'd be like man I ain't get no ref today or I'd be in practice you know once I made a team he said don't worry about it he said one day John Elway going to call on you he said just make sure when he called your number you better be ready ready gotta be ready and and and i think the thing that really helped me ocho is that he told me he said t you can you could you could be good in this league he said there ain't a whole lot of there ain't a whole lot of can do what you do now he said just keep work you know just keep working hard i i don't know why that man took a liking to me i don't know joe i don't know why right but i mean for him and Gary Kubiak.

59:57Shannon Sharpe:Kubiak, Kub was the backup when I was in Denver when I first got there in 1991. Hey, Kub used to pull me to the side. Now that's when you know somebody really taking a liking to you. He pulled me to the side. He would show me and say, hey, now you're going to be in here on this, this, and this. You know what you got? They're going to be in this coverage. You run this. You're going to be on that coverage. You run that. I'll be out there doing like I'm doing. I'll do that. Okay, good job. Good job, Sharp. Hey, you know what else? they'll be like good job that's what I'm talking about that's what I'm talking about, get in your playbook man, cool, told me everything you know what else when I think about it when I think about some of the things the fancy said when I think about some of the things the owner said they baiting him to a little bit too they baiting him when you go to the army, when you go to the marines when you go to the navy, any of those places where it's a structured environment what's the one thing they try to do to make sure to see if you're ready or you're worthy.

1:00:58Shannon Sharpe:They're trying to break you down. They're trying to break you. They're trying to break him. He cannot break. You cannot fold. You cannot lash out. No, hell no. I don't come this far. Hell no. You can't do none of that. You got to stay the course. You got to stay the course and focus on the end goal and prepare for that opportunity because it's going to come. Yeah. It's definitely going to come. Man, Ocho, I'm going to share this story with you. I've only shared it one time and I shared it with when I spoke at Coach Reed's funeral. I was the only, his wife called me and asked, would I speak? Now, you got to realize all the people that he played with, Coach Reed played in the league.

1:01:40Shannon Sharpe:He played under Coach Landry. All the coaches, he coached, he was the offensive coordinator with the Cowboys. He was the head coach of the Broncos. He was the head coach of the Giants. He was the head coach of the Falcons. he asked me to she asked me to speak i didn't know until like she told me but um she's like shannon it'll be a huge honor if you were to speak it at dan i was like i'm like are you sure i was like she's like i'm sure she said shannon you was always his favorite he said you worked so hard he'd say he saw how you came in and what you worked and turned yourself into he was just so proud so i'm sure he would be honored if you spoke also every sunday coach reeves would ask seven or eight of us what we had on a certain plate God on his truth every time he would call on me he would already had saw me he would tell me he would step out in the hall he would tell me I'm going to ask you this right this is what you need to say say it like this and I'm like why he he ain't doing that for nobody else right he's not But that's why it hurt me so bad, Ocho, when he got fired.

1:03:10Shannon Sharpe:I said, had I became, because he got fired the year I made my first Pro Bowl. I led the team in receiving. Right. It hurt me so bad. I said, if I had only become what I later became in 93 through 98, ain't no way Coach Reed got fired. So that's why it hurt me, because he invested so much in me. He believed in me. He did. He draft me. Somehow he lost his damn mind and forgot to cut me. And for him, John, and Koo, and Coach Reeve, that take that kind of time, I promise you. I don't know you. Don't quote me on this. It's hard for me to believe that a head coach is taking that kind of interest in a seventh-round draft pick in today's game.

1:03:57Shannon Sharpe:It's hard for me to believe John Elway, the number one pick in the 1983 draft, he was a pro bowler he was an all pro he was an mvp had gone to three super bowls yeah is taking that kind of liking in a seventh round draft pick yeah gary kubiak who was the backup is taking that kind of liking oh i ain't have no choice yeah it's like my grandmother when she put when she took my my mom's three in after raising hers i have no choice ocho how could i let these people down that had invested so much in me, that believed in me. How? I couldn't. Man, I got in a playbook. Hey, every night I'm going home.

1:04:36Shannon Sharpe:I say, I'm going to know everything. It became second nature. I knew what I had to do. It's hard to, because check this out, Ocho. Yeah. The tight end is normally. Why? Yeah. In Dan's offense, he's X. The X? Yes, because Coach Landry was a defensive coordinator. So everything is backwards. 1-3-5 is to the right. 2-4-6-8 is to the left. Left? Okay. Yes, so if it's backwards, that's not Z. That's a wing. Okay. X, Y.

1:05:27Shannon Sharpe:Wing three, Y dig. Tight end is the X. Ocho, tight end been Y his whole life. 2, 4, 6, 8, been to the right your whole life. 1, 3, 5, 7 is to the left. Ocho, now you got verbiage. Ocho, I came from the route tree. 6, 5, 4. Same. 7, 3, 7. Man, what you mean? 52 double slant is special what I got 52 I ain't never heard nothing like that right oh man geez my mind was spinning some good days Ocho I just want to know what is it going to take what do you believe it will take for Shadua to get an opportunity to start this season. Because if he doesn't start this season, Ocho, the whole purpose of him not going to Baltimore, and it's reported that there were another team, the Eagles, also thought about selecting him.

1:06:33Shannon Sharpe:He said, no, I don't want to play behind Hurst. It wasn't that he didn't want to play behind guys like that. But you're talking about a guy like Jalen Hurst is very doable. He doesn't miss time. Lamar. You're not seeing the field, huh? You're not seeing the field at the new places. You don't have the opportunity to play. What happens if he doesn't see the field this year for Cleveland? Hey, that's one I don't know. And that's what I'm not understanding. But if he doesn't see the field this year for Cleveland, being that they have shortcomings with Flacco and they have shortcomings with Dylan Gabriel, then that's malpractice on ownership.

1:07:13It might come to a point where you have no choice. but to put him in there. Because not only is the team going to call for him, the fans and the media going to call for him as well.

1:07:23Shannon Sharpe:I definitely think the fans are going to be calling for it if Gabriel doesn't play well. Right. I mean, look, just don't turn the ball over. Just keep the defense off the field for 35, 40 minutes. I'm not asking you to be a world beater, but if you can give your defense, if you can score enough and keep the defense off the field, where they're not playing 35, 40 minutes, you're going to have a chance. You're going to have a chance. The defense is plenty good enough, but not if you wear them down. Yeah.

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