Nightcap Hour 1: George Pickens WANTS to STAY in Dallas + Roger Goddell says NFL had NO IMPACT on BELICHICK Hall of Fame Vote + ONLY 1 MINORITY CANDIDATE in COACHING CYCLE

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22:11Shannon Sharpe:NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said today that the league had nothing to do with the vote for the Pro Football Hall of Fame and that he believes Belichick will eventually be inducted. There was speculation that the Belichick role in the Spygate scandal in 2007 and changes to the voting process might have contributed to at least 11 of the 50 voters opting against voting for Belichick. Belichick was in a group with Robert Kraft and three senior players, Ken Anderson, Roger Craig and L.C. Greenwood, with voters allowed to vote for one of only three candidates with 80 % needed for support. we are not involved Goodell said Bill Belichick record goes without saying same with Patriots owner Robert Kraft who will also who's also a candidate there are speculation they have contributed so much to the game and I believe they will be Hall of Famers Ocho yes sir what's your take on what uh Kameh said seemed like he was very PC very political we don't have anything

23:08Chad Johnson:and they don't listen he's always going to be PC it's his job it's his job to be able to be on the fence about all these situations, especially something like this, when he knows it's asinine. He knows, you know, Riddell knows it's ridiculous that he wasn't voted in. Again, those 50 voters, I feel they just have too much power. They have too much power where when they do make a vote, someone should be able to read, go through the vote and look at it and say, you know what? I'm not sure I need to see all those who were in favor and said nay when it came to bill belichick when his name comes across that table of those 50 voters and they said bill belichick for the hall of fame it should be a unanimous decision across the board the fact that he didn't go in because of personal reasons which had nothing to do with his resume and accolades and what he did on the field it it doesn't matter it doesn't matter it's it's ridiculous oh joe i didn't know that bill walsh wasn't the first ballot hall of famer

24:06Shannon Sharpe:should have been I didn't know that yeah I wonder why though um George Atlas Chuck Noll Tom Landry yes Don Shula yeah Vince Lombardi those are the five coaches in the history of coaching in the NFL that have gone in on the first ballot um i thought he would i did i did think he would get in but i knew that a lot of people still hold that spygate and spygate was worse than they let on it was now i'm not telling what's up i'm telling you it was there's a reason why they sent those people there and they destroyed the tape don't bring them back Destroy him there. It was worse. And I knew that they were going to hold that against him.

25:03Shannon Sharpe:I didn't know that it would keep him out. I didn't. You know, I thought, you know, hey, it wasn't going to be 100%. Tom Brady going to get – Peyton Manning got 100 % of the vote. You know, everybody – I mean, he got 100. Mahomes going to get 100. I mean, some people just like, okay. And I thought that would be – I thought Coach Belichick would probably get 90 % of the votes. Right. Because there are some people. And again, again, Ocho, all those times that Coach Belichick was cavalier, he was smug, he was condescending. You're being condescending to the people that's going to have to vote for you.

25:40Shannon Sharpe:We just saw a situation with Tracy Morgan. Now, this young man fell on hard times. but when he was younger you see now you see how the roles reversed yes and I believe that's what happened and I'm disappointed but I'm not as upset about Coach Belichick not getting it as I was T.O. right because they changed the rules they didn't change no rules for Coach Belichick you get three candidates you get the vote for one that's it they changed the rules to keep T.O. out and you say you know what they dead ass wrong but if you say you know what Ocho he ain't in the first ballot you make him wait again just because just because

26:34Chad Johnson:and you wonder why he held his own ceremony and you wonder why he held his own ceremony

26:43Shannon Sharpe:I'll never understand that and I don't care Don't do that. Don't change the rules. Ocho, you changed the rules to keep me. I'm about to win. And you changed the rules mid, mid. It wasn't. I could see if it was in the bylaws before. But now all of a sudden when T.O., now what you did on the sidelines, what you, your behavior in the locker rooms. there were some players that had more egregious behavior off the field than T.O. ever displayed in a locker room or on a sideline. Right. And it didn't inhibit them from getting in on the first ballot. Now, I'm going to go to Mr. Craft. And Chad, don't take this the wrong way.

27:30Shannon Sharpe:I'm trying to I'm trying to ask y 'all, New Orleans fans, your owner, Mr. Benson, is in the Hall of Fame. Now you tell me what he did that's so much greater than what Mr. Kraft has done that warrant him getting in before Mr. Kraft.

27:55Shannon Sharpe:But I believe that alone. Yeah, I've already. Oh, the NFL ain't pleased with me right now. So I'm gonna leave that alone. But I know how he got in. They're not pleased with you? They're not pleased with me right now. Well, what you did?

28:07Chad Johnson:What you did, huh?

28:08Shannon Sharpe:I ain't do nothing. I ain't do nothing. I ain't do nothing.

28:11Chad Johnson:Oh, well, you know, listen, anybody that got a problem with you, then they got a problem with me. Send them on my way. I deal with them. So that's, I mean, that's the issue.

28:22Shannon Sharpe:I mean, you look at some of these owners that's gotten in. The man brought the team, if I'm not mistaken, in 1993. They went to their first Super Bowl in 1996. Right. Since 1996, they've gone to 12. Woo. Super Bowls.

28:38Chad Johnson:That's crazy work, boy.

28:39Shannon Sharpe:No other team has gone to that many since the Super Bowl was instituted, if I'm not mistaken, in 1966. Yeah. They went to that many in 30 years. That's crazy. And then when you factor in how many times they lost it. So think about it. He's on the team for about 33 years. Yeah. They've lost three AFC championship games to the Broncos and the Colts. So that would have been 15. So they've been about one in every other year, you can count on the Patriots being an AFC championship game. And about one in 2.2 years, they're in a Super Bowl. Yeah. And that can't get that man in the Hall of Fame.

29:26Again, too much power.

29:29Chad Johnson:Too much power. And then when you have that kind of power, you abuse it. would never get him people to satisfaction try please so and that's what i'm looking i'm like hold on i look everybody every man has a flaw every every every individual has a flaw nobody's

29:49Shannon Sharpe:perfect and the mr craft has flaws but we're basing it on we're not saying how flawed the individual is we're basing it on his resume and what he's done and what he's added to the because he's a contributor what what has he added to the national football league right based on what his teams have been able to do now are you holding are you holding uh spygate deflate gate i can assure you he didn't have nothing to do with it he don't know nothing coach belichick had him had him frozen out they're diametrically opposed they're up they're so opposite to each other They're so opposite.

30:28Chad Johnson:You ain't got to tell me. I know that. I know that.

30:34Shannon Sharpe:Mr. Kraft is more, and I don't know if he's going to get in. We'll know Thursday whether or not he gets in or not. I'm hoping. I like Mr. Kraft. He's always been great to me. He's always been great to me. Every time I see him, he'll give you a hug. Those shoes, I wanted the Air Force Ones. that he have all the Lombardi trophies on the tongue. I hit him up. I said, Mr. Kraft, got his secondary. And he had him call me back and ask, what size do I wear? And he sent me, he's probably sent me two pair. I don't bother him that much. Because, you know, sometimes, Ocho, when you ask people for things, they expect favor.

31:13They expect, you know, the curry favor.

31:15Shannon Sharpe:And you don't say things. But at the end of the day, I got to do my job. Yes, sir. And if somebody's right, somebody's right. If somebody's wrong, then somebody's wrong. and I got in trouble with CBS because who did they play? I'm trying to think who they played. They might have played. I forget who they played and they ended up losing. It might have been the Colts. It might have been the Colts. Right. And you know, Ocho, when you lose, the coach always, I saw Rex Ryan do it. I saw Tony Dungy do it. I've seen so many, Tom, I've seen so many coaches stand in front of the media and say what happened, but not Coach Belichick.

31:55Shannon Sharpe:He was saying, guys, you ain't never heard of. I'm talking about special – I'm not talking about Matthew Slater. I'm talking about special teams guy that you're like – I'm like, nah, that ain't right. Right. And I said it. I said it on there, Chad. Y 'all can go pull it up. I say, Coach Belichick makes it real easy for you to root against the Patriots is because of this type of behavior. With every other coach that's feeling the same emotions of losing, that their dreams, that their team is not going to be able to advance and they have to go stand outside of the locker room and face the media.

32:26Shannon Sharpe:Now all of a sudden because you got a couple of Super Bowls, you're too big for that, you're better than that? Right. I couldn't get along with that. I couldn't. I'm never. I'm never. I'm never. But all that being said, I still think he should have gotten in on the first ballot. Yeah. so there ain't gonna be no coach getting on the first ballot i mean you put andy in on the first

32:51Chad Johnson:ballot you know they've showed you they do what they want to do on they showed you and they don't care nothing about the backlash they don't care we're in power we're in control yeah we're gonna pick and choose again that's that's part of the power dynamic that they have if we want andy to go in on the first ballot we're gonna put him on the first ballot you know what we don't like Belichick. We not letting him in. No, no, no.

33:14Shannon Sharpe:But Ocho, you know how some people make it real easy for you to root against him? Make it real easy for you not to like him? That's Coach Belichick. Now, like I said, seeing him outside when he's not in that mode, seeing him at the Pro Bowl or seeing him at other functions where he's not having to keep that game face on, he doesn't have to keep that stoic look, he's unbelievable.

33:35Chad Johnson:Different person.

33:36Shannon Sharpe:He's unbelievable.

33:39Chad Johnson:Yep, different person. but it's not a popularity contest. It's not about whether I like you or whether I don't. That's the problem. Oh, yeah, that's it.

33:46Shannon Sharpe:It was about when they lost the AFC Championship game to Baltimore. Yeah. That's what happened when they lost to Baltimore that year. It was just like, I just. But, I mean, there's nothing. There's, like I said, it's not the NFL Hall of Fame. It's the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Yes, sir. And, and, and. But that's what happened when it's subjective. It's kind of like, see, if Usain Bolt, it ain't going to ever go to the judges. But when you're doing platform diving, you're doing gymnastics, what? It's subjective. You got judges. You got the Romanian judge that might think it's a 10. You got the Bulgarian or the Belarusian judge that might think it's a 9.3.

34:28Shannon Sharpe:We saw two different things. Right. Well, I ain't got to see nothing. I saw Usain Bolt cross the line first. That's what I saw. He the winner.

34:41Shannon Sharpe:it's just... And look, I think these things... I mean, look, I'm old enough to remember all these guys. I saw probably the last... I remember Roger Craig. Roger Craig was from Nebraska. So I remember Roger. He's the first guy to catch 4 ,000 and rush 4 ,000 in the same season in 1985, if I'm not mistaken. I remember Ken Anderson, your quarterback from the Cincinnati bingles he won the mvp uh he lost in the super bowl to the uh the 49ers in detroit when it was played the game was played at the silver dome the pony act silver dome i don't know if you remember the silver dome yeah it's toward it down and i remember lc greenwood number 68 yeah he legit now sometimes don't you know how it is when you play with other great players sometimes it can diminish your shine you play with mean Joe Green a two time defensive player of the year Jack Lambert defensive player of the year Mel Blunt defensive player of the year they changed the grain for Mel because Mel was so physical Mel was 6 '3, 6 '4, 205 he was literally jamming receivers down the field throwing them out of the guy the incidental contact no that's him that's Mel Blunt so when you got all of those LC because Joe Green mean Joe You got a name that mean Joe.

36:05Yeah.

36:06Shannon Sharpe:Everybody with the commercial, the Coke commercial, here can't catch. So a lot of these guys overshadowed LC. But for the longest, LC, he was the leading sacker before James Harrison broke his record.

36:17Chad Johnson:Right.

36:18Shannon Sharpe:And they had some great players on that team. Kevin Green. They had Jason Gilden. They had Peasy. They had G. Lloyd. Greg, yeah. Yeah, Mike Merriweather. They had some really good linebackers. The Steelers have always been known for linebackers. So they've had some really great players on that team. I mean, look at all the defensive players of the year they had. Rod Wilson was a defensive player of the year. Trey Pallamala was a defensive player of the year. James Harrison, I don't believe no team has had more defensive players of the year than the Pittsburgh Steelers. The Pittsburgh Steelers, yeah.

36:55Shannon Sharpe:They've had some good ones. I mean, and they were getting the – I mean, look, I mean, sometimes you might have a guy, but you got Joe Green winning one year, then Jack Lambert winning the next year, Mel Blunt winning the next year, then Joe Green wins it again. You're like, come on, man. How? But that's how good they were. Yeah. But the guy that would lead them in sacks was LC.

37:19But look, like Roger said, commission, that they'll get in. but it's something about, you know, everybody wants that first ballot

37:35Shannon Sharpe:because there are so few that actually get in on the first ballot. So me, Ocho, hey, was I disappointed? Yes, because I think I had done enough. When I left, no tight end could say they had all the records, most yards, most catches, most touchdowns, most Super Bowls, all pros, Pro Bowls. Okay. didn't get in. Didn't get in at that point in time now. Okay. Ain't nothing I can do on y 'all. I can't go back. I didn't get no more yards. Right. Can't. But, I don't, I mean, if I, if I could tell coach anything, say coach, hey, ain't nothing you could do. You did everything that you, you did what you were supposed to do, which was win.

38:20Chad Johnson:Hey.

38:21Shannon Sharpe:Now it's up to somebody else to do what they're supposed to do, which is put you in. Listen, knowing Bill, oh it bothers him because his confidant says what do i have so so six super bowls isn't enough so he knows ocho because that is it's a thing because there's so few think of ocho when it came to coaches he was one of the hundred he was of the remember they had that uh that that

38:46Chad Johnson:100th anniversary team yeah who was the coach yeah i understand what you mean oh if it probably

38:53Shannon Sharpe:if you think about it ocho i don't think marvin got it did marvin harrison get in on the first ballot. Most of the guys, John Randall, I think was an all-player, and he didn't get on the first ballot. But you're looking at Joe Green, and you're looking at some of these guys that Marvin got in a third year. I don't think Blunt was a first ballot. Was Mel Blunt a first ballot? I don't think Mel was a first ballot. Four Super Bowls, they had to change the rules for him, Ocho.

39:20Chad Johnson:Yeah.

39:21Shannon Sharpe:He was first ballot. So, it is what it is now, Ocho. Ain't nothing we can do. Ain't nothing we can do. There ain't going to be another vote. Everybody now. See, not everybody. It should be known who voted against Coach Belichick. Y 'all didn't want to make that concession for T.O.? Let us see who voted against T.O. If that's what we're doing. Is that what we're doing, Ocho?

39:47Chad Johnson:Whatever they want to do.

39:52Shannon Sharpe:I'll just check it. Because they want to make it seem like it's so egregious. And like T.O. just like, I mean, there are a few guys. I mean, I had a platform at the time. I was on Undisputed. So I had a platform that I can voice it. And I know Skip, that was something Skip wanted to talk about. I wanted to talk about it as well. I knew where he, and just because he was on that side of the fence, that doesn't mean that we talked about it because he was over here and I was over there. I just, I'm smack dab. I'm old enough to, T.O. came, I was already in the league. I was already established. and seeing what he was able to do.

40:29Shannon Sharpe:They moved on for Jerry for T.O. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, absolutely. They moved on from the greatest receiver ever for T.O. Yeah. That's how great he was. I don't think people realize because, you know, you look at how he was going at it back and forth on the sideline with the offensive coordinators or the quarterback coach or maybe some of the things that he said about Jeff Garcia and he was saying about Donovan. But I don't think y 'all have any idea how great T.O. was.

41:01Chad Johnson:Oh, I know. I got to see him for 11 years straight. Ain't got a year to play with him, so I already know.

41:08Shannon Sharpe:Y 'all have no idea how great this man was. Great, great. He's still only one of three men that would have 150-plus touchdown catches with a threat anywhere on the field. smoke route, slant route, could get deep, could run the over route and split the seam and hit his head on the goal close. And he was more than a willing participant in the run game. Block his ass off. And I never questioned, man, T.O. Slack, nope. You know what you got with T.O. He's going to give it to you every single Sunday. Oh, yeah.

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44:19Shannon Sharpe:O.J., one day after the NFL coaching carousel stopped with 10 head coaching jobs filled, but only one minority candidate, Commissioner Roger Goodell, said the league would take a closer look at the Rooney Rule, throw it in the trash. I think we've become more diverse league across every platform, including coaching, but we still have more work to do. There are a lot, there's got to be more steps. We're reevaluating everything we're doing, including the accelerator program, including every aspect of our policies in our program to meet the challenges of today and tomorrow, rather than yesterday.

44:53Shannon Sharpe:We need to be looking at, and why do we have these results this year? Goodell said that every team was Rooney Rule compliant, in the head coaching cycle and that he believes every team with a head coach opening exceeded the Rooney rule this year by interviewing more than the requisite two minority candidates. Robert Sala, whose Lebanese descent was the only minority candidate to land a top job with no other black head coaches hired. It was the fifth time since the Rooney rule was instituted that there were no black head coaches were hired during an offseason training cycle. you can put all the rules in place that you want to it don't matter i'm gonna hire who i want to

45:35Chad Johnson:hire my point exactly i don't know why we keep going through we keep having to jump through hoops we keep having to jump through hoops and they keep showing you we don't want you they put these rules in place just to have something to abide by here here go some rules just to make you happy whether you qualify for the job or not they don't want you in those positions and being leader of men they just don't in the positions that they do give you there's teams that are not that good and at least it's gonna be too goddamn short and you're gonna get fired they just like here damn so we can shut everybody up if they don't want you in those positions why do we continuously fight and argument claw and scratch to be where they don't want us i i don't understand we gripe about the same thing every hiring cycle.

46:22Chad Johnson:Oh, no black people hired. Oh my God, yet again. Oh, we're surprised. Everything. We fuss about the same goddamn thing every goddamn cycle. They don't want us in those positions. Why are we continuing to try to knock down a door where we're not welcome? My goodness.

46:48Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, more times than not when you're dealing. You hire people that look like you, talk like you, hang around in circles like you, word of mouth, such and such is really, really good. That's why they go to the senior bowl and meet and mingle. Me, in my hiring, I don't really do a whole lot. I say this is my recommendation. I think this is the best part. I don't care. If you're a woman, if necessary, I'll hire 10, 12 women. black, white, I want the best person for the job work hard, be on time that's my only thing I ain't got a whole lot of rules I mean you ain't got no rules I mean the only people that I see is Jordan Ash everybody else, they live where they live but when it's time when it's time to do what we need to do we gotta get it done so I don't care, I don't care what your gender is I don't care what your race is I don't care what your orientation is I don't give a damn about any of that I want the best people in the job

47:48Chad Johnson:yes sir that's it that's all i want on show that's it yeah oh hey ash they go hey you

47:55Shannon Sharpe:explain to them what's expected what

48:00Shannon Sharpe:you hired him what the hell she told me i'm the only white person on the team you hired him What the hell?

48:14Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, hey. They might try to close me down, but I got too much DEI.

48:26Shannon Sharpe:I'm the only white person. You hired everybody, but Jordan.

48:33Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, 60-person staff, you're the only white person, yes. Yes, we have. How many women we got? Two. Well, you hired them. Well, theoretically, real is our style, too. Oh, we count real, so we got three.

48:53Shannon Sharpe:But no, we got to keep fighting, Ocho. It's kind of, Ocho, you remember how it was in the 60s? You were born in the 60s, but. I was there. I was there.

49:02Chad Johnson:I did my homework. I went to history class. I know what it was like. Come on, talk to me. But I think the thing is that even though we only got one,

49:16Shannon Sharpe:if you're considering Robert Sala, who's of Lebanese descent, as a minority, and he is. But just because we didn't, because think about how many times we got turned away in the 60s with the Jim Crow and Dr. King and so many others that kept fighting, kept scratching, just to get a hope. Because I remember it so vividly. My grandfather said, son, you can be anything that you want to, but you're never going to be able to be president because they ain't never letting a black man in that White House. Okay. I believed it too. Well, considering in 250 years, we've only had one.

49:57Chad Johnson:Da-da. Again. Again. That's one of those moments. God damn, here, so we can shut you all up.

50:05Shannon Sharpe:yeah because that's because if you think about it Ocho they always go back that you had a black

50:11Chad Johnson:president two terms well we've had 45 white presidents um listen if someone continuously shows me continuously over and over and over and over we don't want you in these positions and when they do when they do give you the opportunity to be in those said positions it's always on the team.

50:35Shannon Sharpe:You're going to the Jets. You're going to the Arizona that don't have a quarterback. You're going places that don't have a quarterback and they know you cannot win long-term without a quarterback. Look at Steve Wiltz. Listen. Look at David Culley. David Culley got the job for six months at Houston, Texas. Now, they have since D 'Amico and D 'Amico's done an unbelievable job. D 'Amico has a quarterback. Look at Steve Wiltz. Terrible quarterback. Fired after one year. Now they bring in Cliff Kingsbury. he gets Calum Murray, he's able to stay two, three, four years, whatever the case may be. So without a quarterback, you're not winning.

51:09Shannon Sharpe:I don't give a damn black, white, yellow, purple, Lebanese, Haitian,

51:14Chad Johnson:it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. And listen, I love fighting a good fight. I always have. I love fighting a good fight because I've had to fight it as well. But I was able to march to the beat of my own drum. And I understand the power dynamic when those who do the hiring is none of us it's none of us in there right they're not like-minded like us they don't see what we see they view it and are more comfortable going with those that look like them it has always been like that and it will always be like that and i just don't like the fact that we we cry and we holler every time a hiring cycle comes around and say oh none of us got hired well no fucking shit they don't want us in those positions well we're

52:00Shannon Sharpe:not in a position we're first of all there are not a lot of us in the position of hiring

52:04Chad Johnson:the head coach oh can i ask you a question yes how many of us are owners none how many of us

52:15Shannon Sharpe:are in positions to do the hiring in general i mean i'm trying to think maybe uh the guy uh Detroit, maybe the guy Ryan Poles in Chicago. I'm trying to think of black GMs. Holmes, I think Holmes is the guy in Detroit. Poles is the guy in Chicago. Off the top of my head, Ocho, I can't think of any others. Mensah got relieved of his duties. So off the top of my head, I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. But we ain't giving up, Ocho.

52:55Chad Johnson:No, no, no. Hey, hold on, hold on, hold on. Listen, you don't have to give up. Listen, every blue moon, they're going to give you a, well, damn, here you go. Every blue moon, just to shut everybody up. And that's what they continuously do. Damn, here y 'all go. Shut up. That's what they do. Every time. And we fall for it. Andrew Barry in Cleveland. Who?

53:20Shannon Sharpe:Andrew Barry in Cleveland. Oh.

53:32Shannon Sharpe:I mean look I get it

53:43Shannon Sharpe:it's just tough when you talk about a league that's 70 % I think the NBA the NBA you see a lot of

53:50Chad Johnson:black coaches it's always been that way Oh, that's a different ball game over there. That's a completely different ball game over there in the NBA. Do you think it would ever look like the NBA? It would ever look like the NBA? Absolutely not. Because those who are in positions to do the hiring are hiring those like them. As a matter of fact, what happens is when their coaches get fired, you're always going to have a job somewhere else. Always. Once you come from that tree, if the branch breaks, you're good. I got you. Look at it. Look, it's been going on the same exact way. Coaches that have had no success at other places get a job like this right away.

54:28They do.

54:29Chad Johnson:Right away. They do. Right away. And the black coaches that have had constant success, look at the team that they had at their disposal. Mike Tomlin, 18, 19 years.

54:44Shannon Sharpe:He probably could have had some more years. If he could have parlayed like, okay, Roethlisberger, Roethlisberger's getting old, not caring about upsetting Roethlisberger.

54:54Chad Johnson:And having a quarterback in place.

54:57Shannon Sharpe:I think Green Bay gave you the perfect example. You can't be afraid to piss off because, okay, if I don't piss off Brett Favre and I don't draft Aaron Rodgers, I'm in purgatory. Yeah. No, I ain't in purgatory. I'm in hell. Purgatory is in between hell and hell. You're in hell. Yeah. But guess what? You piss off Brett Favre and you draft Aaron Rodgers, and now you got a bridge for 18 years. Right. Okay, you piss off Aaron Rodgers and you draft Jordan Love. Now you got a bridge. They didn't do that in Pittsburgh.

55:26Chad Johnson:Yeah.

55:27Shannon Sharpe:And they tried to piece it with Mason Rudolph and Cody Pickett and Justin Fields. It's just not going to work, man. Yeah. It's just not going to work.

55:40Chad Johnson:Listen, it's hard. I love the good fight that we talk about. I love that we want us. and positions of power. I love that we want us being leaders of men and being head coaches of football teams. But the situations that they give us, the opportunities that they give us, are not ideal. They're not ideal. And most of the time, your lease is short. Maybe two, maybe three years at most, at best. And after that, eh, that's it. That's it.

56:13Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I agree. you're not gonna give anything for me but don't you we can't give up

56:21Chad Johnson:I just say give up I'm just telling you the bullshit they're doing and they're doing it right in our face they got all these rules in place and all this performative bull jive that make it seem like they really come on man they playing right in our face

56:39Chad Johnson:ah well we have rules set in place well we we we we we we we we interviewed him you know he just wasn't qualified for us to get the most of the time we over qualified for the job and they still gonna hire their friend anyway true somebody at that point it's all on who you know right and but but that's the thing like for the cowboys i

57:00Shannon Sharpe:ain't even going there jerry ain't putting no black man no head coach so i ain't even going there he tried to have marvin lewis coming there he know that i mean just just to to meet uh uh uh the Rooney rule. He ain't gonna hire no Marvin Lewis. He ain't hiring no black guy. None. So I ain't even interviewing for that one. Unless you want a free trip. You want a free trip on the private jet and go to see Dallas. You got some relatives in Dallas. Hey, I'm coming in. I'm gonna interview for the cowboy job. Hey, let's go to dinner, so forth and so on. But other than that, I'm not interviewing no Dallas.

57:35Chad Johnson:Oh, I really can't say what I want to say. And I love topics like this. I really do and most of the time you think you know I play around a lot I entertain I have jokes I make fun of a lot of stuff but it you can tell with my voice and my tone is I hate the game that they play and the fact that people can't see the game that they play instead of peeling back all the layers on how they do us purposely

58:08Chad Johnson:no you don't worry about it I don't want to piss off the wrong people it's all a game it's all a game and I'm not sure how we can't see it we continue arguing and you say oh Ocho you are the problem no I'm not the fucking problem because I'm not in a position to be doing the goddamn hiring we are the problem

58:30Shannon Sharpe:because we keep bringing it up we're just not in a position to be the solution

58:36Shannon Sharpe:and y 'all keep talking about oh qualify qualified qualified i don't know if y 'all know this but there's a lot of people that's important positions today that's running a lot of stuff that ain't qualified ain't nearly qualified and let me

58:47Chad Johnson:ask you a question and how are they getting those jobs come on man come on now

58:56Shannon Sharpe:yeah come on now the people that i knew yes it's easy as a did i think ask you do the job yes Was this job ever open to anybody else? No. No, it wasn't. I ain't finished it here and lied to you. CJ, my producer at Club Shea Shea. I knew CJ. I worked with CJ at Fox. Was that job open to anyone else? No. That's how it works. 85 % of the jobs are never listed. Hey, Ocho, man, they got a job opening over here. You know somebody looking for a job? Yeah now that you mention Yeah yeah okay Help me give me a call

59:44Hey

59:47Chad Johnson:What it

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1:02:29Shannon Sharpe:And I get it. Ocho, we had the situation last year and you and I, we both felt bad for Gerard Mayo. But I said, given the choice, Gerard Mayo or Mike Rabel, you're hiring Mike Rabel. You just are. I mean, look, now he's going to get paid. I mean, I don't know. I think he signed a five-year deal. So he's going to get his money for the next five years. If I'm him, I'm done coaching. all my staff hey y 'all can find your job if you want to but I ain't I'm going home I'm going to raise I'm going to raise these kids Phillip Rivers like I said Phillip Rivers got an interview with the Buffalo Bills

1:03:15Shannon Sharpe:with the Buffalo Bills

1:03:18Chad Johnson:didn't buy with Memphis coached Super Bowl team called a blaze didn't byron left which coach a super bowl winning team he did but philip rivers got off the couch from coaching the high school team came in played a few games hurt himself and when the season ended he still got an interview with who the buffalo bills man it's a game man i mean how can y 'all are y 'all are we picked and get it written let me let me know and whether the

1:03:44Shannon Sharpe:year it was a year after he had called plays for the super bowl winning team he was he wasn't even offensive coordinator no more. He was out of the league. If I'm not mistaken, he's on time staff at CU.

1:03:59Chad Johnson:It's right there in your face.

1:04:05Chad Johnson:It's right there in your face. They keep playing the game and we keep falling for it with the same rhetoric every time a hiring cycle comes along. Let me grab a red bull, please.

1:04:23Shannon Sharpe:I just want to know, do y 'all think that a guy that's never called plays, that's never coached, that looks like Ocho and I, will get an opportunity for a head coaching interview in the NFL?

1:04:43Shannon Sharpe:Oh, keep fighting, keep fighting, keep fighting. Keep fighting the good fight. I want y 'all to tell me. Do y 'all think someone that looks like Ocho and I, that's never called plays in the NFL, never called at the collegiate level, we're coaching high school football, would get an opportunity to go interview for a head coaching job in the NFL?

1:05:10Chad Johnson:Playing the game right in your face.

1:05:13Shannon Sharpe:Let me just ask you. It's so simple, yes or simple, no.

1:05:18Chad Johnson:like come on man

1:05:23Shannon Sharpe:and Phillip Rivers might be qualified but somebody might be qualified but if you don't give them an opportunity you won't ever know that's what we're saying I remember you know the league wouldn't let people like Ocho and I in they couldn't think and they couldn't do this first of all you couldn't play the center position you could play a running back you could be a wide receiver you could be a db but you couldn't play center because you had to make the line call you couldn't play quarterback that was forgiven think about how many guys were quarterbacks in college and they had to trade they had to move to wide receiver running back or db wasn't until it wasn't until doug williams won the super well I'm like, well, hold on.

1:06:06Shannon Sharpe:You mean to tell me they can win the Super Bowl?

1:06:13Shannon Sharpe:Well, she... I better go get me one.

1:06:20Shannon Sharpe:That's how it gets copycat league, Coachella.

1:06:27Shannon Sharpe:And then you start seeing it happen with greater regularity. Russ win, and my homeboy win two or three. Jalen Hurts win. and they're like, well, damn, okay. We might be on to something. Now we have more black starting quarterbacks in the NFL than at any point in time in the history of the NFL. All because why? Someone gave one an opportunity.

1:06:50Chad Johnson:Opportunity, yeah.

1:06:51Shannon Sharpe:I'm not saying you got to make special provisions.

1:06:53Chad Johnson:No. No. No.

1:06:56Shannon Sharpe:Just give me a chance.

1:06:57Chad Johnson:Yeah, and the game itself has evolved and more suited to those that are a little bit more athletic, to those that are a little bit more that are dual threats. So again, that's another reason why more opportunities are being suited in case for those that look like us.

1:07:14Shannon Sharpe:And they talk about own something. Man, you're going to have to like... Own who?

1:07:22Shannon Sharpe:The Seahawks are probably going to sell for seven, seven and a half billion dollars. Maybe even eight. So you're going to have to look. You're going to have to get a lot of people Oprah Robert Smith Jay Z you're gonna have to get some people to A what y 'all try to do

1:07:44Shannon Sharpe:because the price is not coming down Ocho I mean 7 and a half I mean the Washington Commanders just sold for 6 billion that was 2 years ago now the price is about to be 7 7 and a half maybe even 8 in 2 years yeah It's a different game. Steven Ross said someone offered him$15 billion for the Dolphins. He said no bueno. Yes! No bueno. Because NFL teams print money.

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