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23:21Shannon Sharpe:Nah, hell nah. You're going to beg for something different. Look. It's early in the season, but clearly something is amiss with the Eagles. It's hard to pick right up where you left off, Ocho. If someone has been in that situation, you have to really turn your mind off. You're like, man, we won the Super Bowl. Yeah, you did that last year. You think these teams going to roll over just because you won the Super Bowl? You're their Super Bowl this year. Oh, yeah. The teams that didn't win the Super Bowl, guess what when they see your ass on the schedule? Now that gives us – you know what Brian Dayball said?

24:06Shannon Sharpe:That's the defending Super Bowl champs, and we just hung 34 on them. You see, when we play, we can beat anybody in this league. That's what they're saying. Because that's the Eagles. That's the defending Super Bowl champ. So now teams base how good they are on whether or not they beat them. And now you see why? Now this gives you a better reason why Taylor Hurts, when they ask him about the Super Bowl and how it feels to be the champs, why he throws it out the door. That was last year. Absolutely. Because he understood how difficult it would be to not only repeat, but to have the same success going into this season.

24:49The same way. Now we're seeing the struggles that they are having, being that they're not at full strength, especially at the offensive line. Some of the defensive pieces are a little different than they were last year. And things are different. New offensive coordinator, things have to evolve offensively. You know, you can't be too predictable. Last year, because the running game was so efficient, you could damn near do what you want to do. Exactly. And you can throw it when you want to. You got to pick your poison on what you want to do. Now things are a little different. And now you're going to get to see the better part of the Eagles.

25:23they can do you have to dig down don't you we gotta dig yeah they can do one or two things you can come together and fix it or things are going to continue to splinter yeah

25:35Shannon Sharpe:and we're not going to make no excuses oh the eagles beat themselves it looked like to me the giants had 34 and the eagles had 17 it didn't say eagles one had 34 and the eagles two had 17 right right ain't no ain't no beat yourself because see that's the excuses you make last week they had man they should have called pass interference that was a pass interference you see what happens on your if you if you lose by a little i can go back and point the face well if he had done this we had done that but see when i beat hell out you what you gonna say so what pass interference that would have made up 17 points what holding call man they were they was holding so what holding call would have made up 17 points what did i miss what offsides what penalty that they didn't call that would have made up for 17 points.

26:21Shannon Sharpe:Paul, I feel bad for my guy Gilly.

26:27Gilly going to be all right. Gilly going to be all right. You know, I know the only reason I'm saying he going to be all right, the only reason I'm saying the Eagles are going to be okay, is because it's so early in the season. It's so early in the season. Now, if we were in the back of the season, I give you one. If it was after Thanksgiving, the way they look now, I'd be worried. I'd be worried. But let me tell you, when you show vulnerability early,

26:58Shannon Sharpe:teams like they can be had. That's the thing. Now, because you're already going to get everybody's best shot, Ocho, because you're the reigning Super Bowl champs. Absolutely. You're going to get everybody's best. But now they're like, hey, they vulnerable. They can be had. the ferocity that that defense is not nearly as vicious and suffocating as it was that's a rookie Ocho I don't give a damn who back there that is a rookie quarterback in only his third start and he did that he did that and he didn't seem bothered by what you were doing on the back end he didn't seem flustered he didn't seem off kilter he didn't seem like man what are they doing?

27:43Shannon Sharpe:I'm seeing ghosts out there. He didn't seem that way to me. Now, maybe somebody else saw something that I didn't see, but he looked perfectly fine to me. Hey, I tell you that. I can see why AJ getting frustrated because I get tired of running under routes too. Yeah. I would. I get tired of running short crosses. They run, man, stop, man. Give me something down the field. It would be very interesting, Ochoa, if we were to watch it cut up all 22 and see how many times he run further than 10 yards down the field right yeah because i see i see a lot of people i see a lot of i see a lot of routes short cross over the ball under route slant route five yard out man let that man run a deep over let the man run a comeback let the man run a dig damn yeah and more than everybody goes ocho now they know he's not going deep i'm squatting on everything ain't gonna joke i ain't getting on no damn back pedal because he ain't run no goalball especially especially the better corners especially the better corners that know and understand down the distance we understand tendencies we understand split we understand schemes we understand the route concepts okay oh he he's he on top of the numbers oh he ain't going nowhere you ain't run no damn go right from the top of those numbers?

29:01Shannon Sharpe:Oh, absolutely not. Oh, he's inside the numbers. Okay. Oh, you try to run a shallow. You try to run a shallow. Either run the shallow or he coming outside, one or the other. I could just sit. Like, I don't know. I think maybe the casual fan doesn't understand how difficult the game of football is if it's not complicated, but how easy it is for those who study the game, who watch film and are used to seeing things over and over and over. Yeah. So now the onus is on the offensive coordinator to be a little bit more creative to throw off those that you're playing week to week because now there's film on you.

29:41There's a year's worth of film on you, and you got to change things up because if you don't change things up, you get what you see tonight. You get players that are frustrated because the blueprint is out there. The ingredients are out there. and the ingredients that are out there, hey, we know what this tastes like.

29:58Shannon Sharpe:You got to change it up. You do, Ocho, and the thing is just like a pass rusher. You can't give that offensive lineman that same pass rush move. He'll eat that up. After a while, he'll build up an immunity to it. So you got to give him – hey, sometimes you got to turn speed to power. Sometimes you just got to dip. Sometimes you got to wax on, wax off. Sometimes you got to bull. Sometimes you got to hump. You got to change it up. The same thing with the offensive lineman. Hey, sometimes they quick set you or jump set you. Sometimes they stab left and then they come back. Hey, sometimes they catch.

30:31Shannon Sharpe:You've got to change it up. These guys are good. Very good. And they break everything down. Watch him. Watch his feet. Watch when he does this, what he does with his hands. Now watch when he's in his stance. Look how wide his base is. Off his defensive lineman, look at his stance. They pay attention. They break everything down to the umpteenth because the margin of error, these guys are really good, and the margin of victory is so small. Very small. It's not – I'm telling you, it's not a mountain. It is small. It's the minute. It's the details. The devil is in the details. Hmm. Man. Hey, listen, it's one of three plays make the difference in the game.

31:17That's it.

31:17Shannon Sharpe:That's it. One of three. That's it.

31:23Shannon Sharpe:two turnovers did not help looked like the Eagles were going in got a turnover and Jalen threw it was late and inside you inside if that DB can catch he's going the other way with it and then it seemed like they were driving again and AJ Dillon got the ball punched out that's two turnovers right there where you look like you're about to make something positive happen and it ends up going the other way but the it's going to be interesting to see how the Eagles bounce back. Or how they respond in general. Ocho, you do realize they didn't score a point in the second half. Yeah. Yeah. In the second half.

32:04The 17 was off in the first.

32:07Shannon Sharpe:And on the tush push, that first one, the right guard jumped the count again. Yeah. See, Ocho, he almost has to jump the count because he has to keep the guy off the center because if the center gets stand up, because remember, Jalen Hurst is coming right behind him. So if he gets stood up, so the guard, one of those guards have to knock somebody off him. Let him get some push. Now we can get Jalen Hurst to get a little push. So get some leg drive. If the center gets stood up, where's Jalen going? The play doesn't work. The play doesn't work.

32:42Shannon Sharpe:It's going to look, I'm sure Nick Sereon is like, you know, he's like, God knows it's a tough one. It was a short week. But hey, it was a short week for the Giants. Everybody's going to have at least one short week. The Cowboys will probably have two. Because they got the Thanksgiving game, and then they likely play the following Thursday after that. But I think this tonight, we can talk about the Eagles until we're blue in the face. But I think tonight was more about what the Giants did positive and good as opposed to eagles the eagles have their issues but here's the thing if i got issues and you don't take advantage of them what good is that mistake when you make a mistake can i make you pay for it right you leave the door open i walk in your house you leave something out at the table i eat off your table every mistake the jets the eagles made giants made them pay for the question is uh uh look serianic serianic cut his teeth and call in plays uh and i know it's a bad because here's the thing anytime you do something that's abnormal people think you're panicking if i take over the play calling ocho what am i saying the guy that had to play calling he's not doing a good job be an officer or defensive if i reassign people hey you were this class, Ocho.

34:07Shannon Sharpe:Shannon, Chad, get your book. Move over here. That means you were being a disruption. You were doing something. You had no business. I got that all the time. Shannon, can you move up here by me? Why? You know why. So that's the way that people are going to look at that from the outside and say, well, okay. I thought there wasn't nothing going on. If nothing's going on, why are you making these changes? Why are you making these moves? But at the end of the day, I've got to do what's in the best interests of this team and if i have to take over the play calling i don't want to i don't want to take over the play calling but i will if i have to and the question is do you think seriani should or will take over the play calling oh that's that's tough that's asking off a lot of a head coach then i mean look you're shanahan does it andy reed does it there aren't a whole sean mcveigh does it.

35:01Shannon Sharpe:It's not a whole lot of guys. Ben Johnson does it now. But for the most part, you know, hey, I got lieutenants. I let lieutenants do their job. I oversee everything. I hear everything. If there's something, hey, nah, we're going to run it on this one. Nah, hey, you got that specialty play, do that. I try to oversee everything. So what do you think will happen or what do you think should happen? I think more so a conversation. I think more so a conversation is had between Patula and Sirianni. Because Sirianni has enough as a head coach. He has enough going on that he has to deal with. He has enough on his plate as is.

35:39You already have coaches appointed to certain positions, and they have their jobs. Now, if you want a coach to do his job a little better or find ways to make things work, here now talking from an offensive perspective, you have that conversation with him and what needs to change and what he would like to see as a head coach. But taking over the play calls this early, to me, it sends them in panic mode. And I don't think that's something that they really need is not to panic, but find a way, figure out what solutions we can take. What creative effort, you know, can Petulo do in creating a little bit of creativity offensively and moving some things around?

36:19Just throwing a few wrinkles in there. Not going too far away from the game plan and schematically and the things that do work and that you like to do. but just throwing some wrinkles in there that give you a little bit more success that aren't predictable when you're out there playing. Ojo, you know how coaches always ask the quarterback,

36:38Shannon Sharpe:and the quarterback goes to the coach and says, these are the plays I like. Yeah. Go to A.J. Brown and say, A.J., what you like? What you want to run? Give me a hint. How can I help you? What do you like? Yeah. Ask him. I mean, Mike would ask me, hey, 84, what you like here? Same. especially in that first 15. Yeah. You can't go wrong with basic cross. You can't go wrong with wide choice. You cannot go wrong with those. You give me one of those. You give me one of those. I'm good. I'm good. I'll make it. I'll make it work. I don't give a damn if he's playing outside leverage. I don't care if he's playing head up.

37:18Shannon Sharpe:I don't care if he's playing inside leverage. He cannot stop me from going where I want to go. He's going to ask me what I like. hey you like the Zorro here yeah I like Zorro yeah I like Zorro I like Zorro I like it I like it you know I'm really trying to get a touchdown so I kind of like it Ocho I like it the team going in I ain't really trying to get no first down because they only gonna bite one time Ocho it's like a fish you catch a fish and you you hook him and he get off he ain't biting again not that one now somebody else might get his ass another day in time but he's not going to bite.

37:54Shannon Sharpe:So that's the way I look at it. Like, if I beat him on this Zaro this time and I get a first down, he ain't biting again. So I'm like, no, I'm kind of like in the 10 for the Zaro route. But anything else, Mike, hey, you do right choice, you do basic cross, anything like that, I'm good. I'm Gucci. Hey, run Tiger Farcross. Hey, anything. thing um just go to aj and say aj what you like tell me tell me tell me tell me what if i said aj give me your five favorite routes that you like to run yeah and let me see how i can incorporate it in what we're doing because all they do ojo is that you got your plays and you watch the film and you see what the other teams did to their ass last week and then you put that in and call it your stuff bingo is it is a copycat that's all you do it is a copycat league and they do it every week that's it whatever they saw whatever they saw that worked on film and you happen to be playing that team they're gonna do the exact same thing formation might be a little different absolutely what will be exactly the same you think aj asked for a trade no hell oh shoot you know what i'm not in AJ's shoes.

39:10I'm not in his shoes. I don't know. I'm not sure. And being how he is, his mannerisms, his beliefs, and the way he moves and thinks is much, much more completely different than that of what they think he is. I'm not sure he's the type to ask for a trade. But he's frustrated. Devontae Smith is frustrated. They both voiced their frustration I think it was maybe last week or week before last publicly. So I'm not sure.

39:46Shannon Sharpe:I think.

39:52Why are you laughing?

39:53Shannon Sharpe:Because I understand. I really do. I really do. Because I don't want people to think. I understand AJ's situation. AJ said they don't pay me to win. They pay me for stats. The only problem that I have, stats get me paid, not wins. not wins. I told you, remember I said that, I said that. Oh, the only problem is that AJ keep that with Sarianni, keep that with Petula, keep that with what you call him. I say, because when you voice it outside, people will look at you as being selfish and say, you care about your stats. Then you do about winning, even though that's how you're going to get paid. I get it.

40:31Yeah.

40:32Shannon Sharpe:But you're not going to be able to elicit sympathy from that fan base because we went in Ocho. Just like, Ocho, you winning, you like, man, but y 'all done won seven games in a row. How do you go publicly and tell my man, I need to get the ball? Right, right. People are going to look at you as being selfish. Although I understand what it's based on, I just wish, like I said, because like a family, football team is a family. I guarantee you spend more time with the football team than you do your real family. Especially during this time. Yes. from basically from July when you go to training camp until your season ends, you spend more time with them.

41:14Shannon Sharpe:You do. You do. And you do everything you can to keep everything in house. When it gets out, now everybody has their own interpretation to what's going on. When you keep it in house, don't nobody know. You know what's actually being said. You know what and how to fix it. But then once it gets out, yeah hey like i said that meeting i'm trying to figure out who how many people knew about that meeting ocho somebody probably upstairs i gave it to you that somebody knows he's some reporter you know a player talking to a reporter that they probably confide in and thought it wouldn't get out or they wouldn't tell anybody and all of a sudden the rest of the world knows everything's getting out now you can't hey trust nothing trust absolutely nothing but now what i knew to be true all alone killing more is a damn good offensive coordinator absolutely a damn good one he was good at dallas he was really good at dallas he was great he won a super bowl with the eagles normally it's a little low normally detroit don't seem to be having that problem that they don't be seem to have that problem that ag left on the defensive side of the football detroit is playing extremely well remember what i remember what i said huh remember what i said when ben johnson left yeah when um when aaron glenn left i said even though the coaches left the pieces of that puzzle are still there so you take coaches out and the pieces of the puzzle still there you can still put it together right you still put it together because you still got the same pieces so it doesn't matter who called the play that's why sometimes when i hear coaches when i hear fans say oh they want to they want coaches fired when things aren't going well well hell well hey if he had the goddamn players to execute it wouldn't be no damn problem well bill belichick was great and new england because he had the pieces including tom and now They want him, you know, I heard he might get fired sometime this week in North Carolina.

43:22Bill, well, what the hell do you want to do?

43:25Shannon Sharpe:What do you want to do? Well, people look at it. If you don't got Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, and Larry Fitzgerald, you don't have good receivers. But Larry Fitzgerald and Jerry Rice and Randy Moss, I mean, it takes a special type of person to fit that system. And Randy fit the system for a couple of years, and then all of a sudden he wanted more, and Bill said no. everybody's not going to be able to go Ocho weeks I count two passes this week I caught four passes last week I caught this no no no no no no those guys are number one receivers for a reason reason yeah New England built their game of plan to win other teams built a game plan around great players right right that's the difference so it's going to be very very interesting to see how this thing plays up I think getting away hey look I don't want to see you guys till Monday I'll see you guys Monday don't worry about this tape I'll see you guys Monday come in and we'll have a quick meeting get a lift in, get a run in, run some of this out I'll see you guys Monday got Tuesday off let's be ready to come back to work Wednesday and fix whatever we got going on it's good to clear our heads get an opportunity to get away from this hey you don't need to watch television you don't need to read the paper stay off the internet and be ready when we come back in here on Wednesday, let's be ready to work and get this thing done.

44:46Get it right. They're going to have to fix it. And don't let anything else come out the locker room. Don't say nothing crazy after the media. I'm not sure who might have talked to the media after the game. I hope they took time to allow themselves to defuse from whatever anger, whatever emotions you may be having. Take a shower first. Take a shower first, cool off, then talk to the media. Don't give them no ammunition. you know what I'm surprised Ocho I'm surprised

45:12Shannon Sharpe:how many people when they go to the locker room the first thing they do is check their phone oh yeah absolutely I'm shocked by that I'm one of them you played in the era that they did have social media so I'm glad I didn't play in that era I'm glad yeah it just started it just started so i caught social media the guys do they you think they check their phone at halftime too um no i don't know about i don't know about that one i don't know about that one yeah my last year i checked okay i'm cutting the food let me see what they see they talking about what they what they talk about on ig okay what do you think about the tush push four times michael parsons says this is not football with two trash emojis

46:08hey if you can't stop it don't knock it if you can't stop it if the packers were able to do it that wouldn't be a problem

46:20so so i mean tush push is not football so let's talk about some of the plays that other teams run that nobody can stop, that aren't highlighted. True. We're going to start eliminating plays from certain teams that do one thing specifically well?

46:37Shannon Sharpe:Just because somebody can do something better than anybody can do one thing. Yeah. Hey, find a way to stop it. I know how to stop it. I can't give the formula on how to stop it. Yeah. You know, my brother tells us all the time, he says, my goal was to do my job, do this one thing, better than anybody else did anything, I'm fine. It seems to me that the tush push, the Eagles do this better than any other football team does anything else. Yeah. Whether it's rush the quarterback, whether it's throw the ball, whether it's run the ball, whatever the case is, the Eagles do the tush push better than any other football team do any other thing.

47:24Shannon Sharpe:so i agree with you is it is it aesthetically pleasing no no but i don't believe you should throw it out just because somebody can't stop it right so if uh michael michael michael says it's trash he got the uh the two trash can with the guy dumping the trash in there what you think gocho nah my god and being the competitor he is it shouldn't matter what anybody else run well you want you wanted the best in the league you top three in the league it shouldn't matter you got to stop it tampa tampa tampa is getting what you call them getting big days ready if they day yeah let them move you at all clog it up the best way you can Yeah.

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52:45Shannon Sharpe:Hey, we got a very special guest joining us. Good friend of the show. Our co-founder of Reddit, founder of Apolos. Here he is, Alexis O 'Hannon. Lex, what's going on, bro? How you doing, man? Good pleasure. Absolute pleasure to be here. Thank you so much for having me, guys. Thanks for coming on. We know you're one of the biggest advocates of women's issues. What went into the thought process of creating this, this women's only track meet, certain events, and say, you know what? I want to do something special to highlight these great women athletes. You know what? Look, I'm obviously married to the goat.

53:24We can get that out of the way.

53:26Shannon Sharpe:Yes, you are. Serena Williams. is you think about it though, right? Like, you know, it's funny. I grew up in a household. NFL was the only thing that mattered. Uh, football was the sport I played and I loved, I didn't think about any other sport. Didn't watch tennis. Uh, I didn't know anything about it. Now I got smart. Now I'm a, I'm a big fan obviously, but you know, at no point did I ever think that women's tennis was less than men's. And if you talk to any sports fan today, they'd sound crazy if they thought or if they said that women's tennis was less than men's in america frankly women's tennis is as popular if not more popular more than men's tennis look at how much money these ladies get paid more and and obviously serene and venus they were the ones who you know brought that to the world but you know tennis is the perfect example where with investment and billy jean king made sure those ladies got paid that made it possible for two little girls in Compton to say, I'm going to change my life by playing this sport because I know I can be excellent and get compensated for it.

54:33And then with the generational talent, you blew up the sport, made it bigger than ever and look where we are today. And so it happened in tennis. And I just realized here is another sport, track and field. I know y 'all are fans of it. Big. Most played, most active, most engaged sports. We have a legacy of greatness, especially in the American women, historical and present. So you had Melissa on. Melissa Jefferson. We had Anna Hall. Tremendous talents, all of them. And you know, every four years, these ladies are superstars. We tune in during the Olympics. We cheer for them. It's one of the most watched sports.

55:12And then they disappear. And I'm just a businessman. All I want to do is see greatness continue to get celebrated because if there are eyeballs, there are dollars. Correct. it every four years and it's not about charity. It's about supporting these amazing athletes and I saw you all during Paris offering bounties which is really awesome gold medals. God bless.

55:34Shannon Sharpe:Yeah,$37 ,000 for winning a gold medal. Come on, man. Love that. Love that. And so, you know, this is I think, you know, post Reddit I've been really blessed to do some things in women's sports starting Angel City, this women's soccer team five years ago and now I think Athlose is going to be a huge part of my legacy and I'm just grateful to be able to hear it and talk about it. yeah this year you added uh uh the long jump this is in times square will you be looking to add more events in the coming in the coming years uh you know obviously it's only a handful of events and i get that but that's a start but in the in the long term your goal is to have how many events you think oh you know look every time we've added an event it's been with an anchor star because But again, for me, social media tells the story.

56:21Obviously, as a Reddit guy, I look at follower counts. And, you know, I was totally naive when I got into the sport. So obviously, I knew the sprinters. I had a bias for the sprinters because that's a quick story. Yeah. You don't have to – you ask a fan to pay attention. They don't have to watch for very long. And they're getting an amazing show. And, you know, the longest race we've got right now is the mile, which still keeps a pretty short attention span. Obviously, if Kit Biegong was going for the world record, you got the goat ready so you good special and um but tara davis woodhall or i'm repping here you know i invited her she's got millions of followers on social media she's a long jumper gold medalist for the united states and the world champion and a world champion exactly and uh and i said why don't you come to the show come to athlose and she said i won't come unless i'm competing okay challenge accepted so we put her on actually tonight in times square so i'm still coming off the high i got can't be too loud here because my babies are asleep in the hotel suite and you know the room but we had an amazing night in times square look at the clips i mean we had the best long jumpers in the world we shut down times square and and these ladies were running the top three are going to now compete tomorrow there's the photos um the top three are going to compete tomorrow at icon to which you all are both invited please come trackside suite i'm waiting for you we got ciara performing dj trauma spinning in between the races we're gonna have you know the fastest ladies in the world.

57:47It's going to be a lot of fun.

57:48Shannon Sharpe:You got Faith Kilby-Agon in the 1 ,500 meters. You got Keely Hodgkins, the 800-meter Olympic gold medalist. You got Masai Russell, the 100-meter Olympic gold medalist in the hurdles. You got Marilini Paulino, the gold medalist in the 400 meters. And you got Alexis Holm, who's a 4x4 world champion and mixed relay world champion. Much of the complaint from the track community, Alexis, has been the lack of visibility. Because, like you said the big events only happen the big event only happens once every four years so it's like they go dorm it's like we hibernate so we get excited 2020 2024 yay yay yay and then i got away all the way to 2028 to do it again and we want to get behind you you know we we like you like we like uh baseball and football and basketball players because guess what we see them every year we get the roof i get i better get being able to root for lebron for 23 years i got to root for colbert for 20 years i got to root for these guys but i gotta wait once every four years to see my my favorite athlete compete no it's it's it's ridiculous and you look at the numbers again none of this i don't ever get this twisted no this is about charity you look at the numbers track and field is one of the most viewed sports during the summer olympics millions and millions people and so you know we were we were quite happy last year we had three million people on broadcast tune in we're expecting more this year and then our plan for next year we've announced it so it'll be a team-based track and field league so instead of just one meet we're gonna have multiple meets in major cities think of it like the formula one of track and field so companies like mercedes and ferrari they have f1 cars they spend tons of money basically for marketing right so you could think of some great apparel brands i wouldn't you know i could point to a few you might think of that want to be associated with speed and excellence so imagine those as teams and then imagine now you have a way to see the very best to do it in this team format similar to like ncaa and so you can imagine you've got i mean if we just say there's a hypothetical nike team you know you've got shakari uh you've got tara davis woodfall you've got so many of these champs that now get to share a team, not just around the Olympics, around a nation, but around a brand.

1:00:06And it starts to change the economics now, because if I'm one of these shoe companies, I'm one of these apparel companies, just like Mercedes wants to be associated with speed and excellence and hold that trophy, the Constructors' Cup, the end of Formula One, you're also going to be able to test new technology on the track with the fastest athletes. And you're also going to start telling the story, which is, look, if we're spending this kind of money on a team, you know, Lewis Hamilton knows what he's worth because he knows what it means to Ferrari to have the best to do it. I think this starts to have a very positive impact in the way that we value these athletes.

1:00:38And as soon as they're valued that way, they're going to get marketed more. Their stories are going to get told. And, and I want to buy her Jersey. I want to buy a Tara Davis Woodhull t-shirt with her name and her number and her, her team on it. Right. I can buy an Ocho Cinco Jersey. I can buy a Shannon Sharp Jersey. I can't, I can't buy a Jersey for any track and field the athletes because it doesn't exist not yet so let me get let me let me make sure i'm hearing

1:01:00Shannon Sharpe:you correctly so you'll have teams and so these teams will be made up from men or women from all across the world so you might have keely hoskins uh being a teammate of melissa jefferson who might be a teammate of a faith kip yega so it would it be something like the unrivaled league you see how unrivaled like they got teammates on one team like in the wnba but they're on different teams around when they play in Unrival. So you're talking about something like that, those kind of teams? For sure, and we love the Unrival folks, Fee and everyone that's done a great job. The difference would be our teams would be more than likely built around a brand.

1:01:40Oh, okay, okay.

1:01:41Shannon Sharpe:So Adidas, Nike, New Balance, Puma. I'm not announcing anything, but imagine that scenario. Exactly. And so now if I'm sitting here, now obviously Nike's got a great roster, but you can't sleep on New Balance with Sid and Gabby. There's lots of talents. All right. Yes. And so now imagine if you were any of these other brands or any brands, really, you want to win because just like you're if you're Ferrari, you want to make sure you're holding up that trophy at the end of the season. And so it'll mean, let's say we added a couple other sports, maybe even throw in a thrower. You start now seeing a broader team composition and these brands are incentivized now to build out that roster and to support those athletes in marketing, as well as in physios and sport, all this other stuff.

1:02:27And I think really level up the way we think about what these brands can do. And now you better believe, just like if I watch, I don't know, watch Mercedes win a Formula One race, it incentivizes me to want to buy a Mercedes sedan. So imagine if I'm a sneaker company, how much it would mean to me to have, you know, the top to see the team and what that means to move sneakers to everybody else, whether you're, you know, whether you're running your hundredth marathon or you're doing your first 5k, like you want to feel like the best to do it. And so why wait four years? I think you're absolutely right.

1:03:00We shouldn't, there's still great athletes even outside the Olympics.

1:03:04Shannon Sharpe:Let me ask you something off topic. Please. You and Serena competitive? Extremely. Thankfully, though, not in tennis. I've never picked up a racket. Really? Yeah, no. And, you know, thankfully, both of our daughters inherited most of my wife's athletic genes. Although, you know, big fella, I still, I'd like to say I contributed some height to the girls. but they're gonna be tall like the deck pops yeah yeah but you know i i i it's it's really interesting we're we're incredibly competitive in very different ways okay and uh and it's a blessing because i think you know in tech in particular we delude ourselves into thinking we're the hardest working folks in the room you know the industry look tech's done amazing stuff certainly for my career and the industry thinks a lot of itself i always recommend friends of mine other CEOs in the industry, I say, just, just if you're single, right.

1:04:01Date a professional athlete, spend time with professional athletes. And what you see, and I'm preaching to the choir here, the, the amount of fortitude determination, the willpower of a professional athlete. And I have to say the solo athletes too are next level. Yeah. I mean, you know, those solo athletes are built different. There is another level of intensity and determination and work ethic and an incredible, incredible competitiveness. And so I knew I knew I met my match because I really thought I was the hardest work in the room and the most competitive. But yeah, yeah, no.

1:04:41Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, because it's a different perspective, because when you're in the tech industry or you're married, you're asking your significant other to understand your work hours and what's necessary. As an athlete, they're asking their spouse or their significant other to understand the sacrifice. So now they get an opportunity to see what each other have asked the other party to do. And so now you're like, I am so sorry, babe. I did not realize that I had put this kind of pressure and asked you to do so much more out of your... I never had that fight. we we have never had that fight about me putting in too many hours because you understood someone who knows she knows she knows what it takes and you know i'm not i'm not breaking the barrier she's breaking in order to be great but still she knows what it takes and and and that that work ethic shines man and so it's uh it's fun we're competitive but in really good way yeah and that's and too long that's that's a dope thing when you always think about people throwing around the word power couple all the time they throw the word power couple around based on aesthetics based on not the intangibles that that that you don't get to see or you get you don't get to hear so it is really dope to hear the the dynamic in which you two share coming from two different totally different fields tech yes let's be honest the obvious the elephant in the room here Serena is a DC Comics fan and I'm a Marvel Comics fan.

1:06:16Oh wait, that's not the elephant in the room? We're obviously from very different worlds. Even though she is a DC fan, I don't get it. I'm a Marvel guy. It's obviously better. Yeah, no, I know. But it's, like I said, you find the commonality and it's definitely been a hell of a ride. You know, we got to

1:06:37Shannon Sharpe:find y 'all you know because you know we had bennifer and and and you know we had you know you know we gotta get you we gotta you gotta you gotta get a name i tried i i really tried so hard to avoid that side of brandelina celebrity no no and here's the thing like and that's that's you know to my wife's credit um and she and venus is the exact same way both those girls had to be so famous so early and and you know you've already got the pressure of you know you know having to carry so much responsibility going into that sport the way they were total outsiders and dealing with all the bullshit they had to deal with and uh and they became famous very young and you know i'm going to tell you how many stories of people to whom that happens where it just goes off the rails right and they have always been remarkably grounded credit to to uh you know mr williams and yeah and ms orcine like they did a really good job grounding them in that and and it's funny because like even to this day it's never been about uh the celebrity part it's like the funniest thing people don't realize is you know some of the best days that i know she has and we have are some of the most boring suburban parent days right it's it's taking our daughter to ballet it's it's a lot of things frankly that i think a lot of folks probably take for granted because they imagine, oh, well, geez, I'd want to be on the carpet.

1:08:05I'd want to be holding up the U.S. Open trophy. I'd want to be doing stuff, which is great stuff. Don't get me wrong. But it's funny when you see someone who's been at the top of the mountain, who's had everything. It's interesting. The things that they value most are some of the things that most of us spend all our lives, you know, trying to sort of set aside while we're trying to do the other thing. And it's those simple joys, man.

1:08:28Shannon Sharpe:I want to, you know, Alex, when you told your boys, man, guess who your boy dating? You never go guess who your boy going out with. Yeah. Were they surprised? Were they surprised? They probably started rolling out things. Man, not even close. She bigger than them. You're bigger than that, bro. Come on, give your boy some credit. So when you told your homie, the guy that you're very close to. Yeah, these are my guys. I've known them since I was five. that's how long you know me since kindergarten first grade okay and uh you know what honestly they weren't that surprised and really what that says i mean okay i'll be okay let's just i wasn't out here you know just casually dating the greatest of all time across but but you know i um i don't know i think these guys got used to me doing really exceptional crazy stuff and and even you know starting a company right out of college all this stuff i mean look i think um uh it was it was actually really sweet my my pops my dad and he was the guy who whenever whenever tennis would come on tv he'd change the channel right because we're a football household everything okay it was like a country it was a country club hobby it wasn't a real sport and and i remember telling my dad and he kind of paused and he was just like wait one more time because he thought i was punking him he thought i was and uh and he's like you you're on you're dating who and i was like serena what and he's like okay come on come on come on you don't even you don't even know her stop there's no way you're not even what do you know you don't know anything about tennis how did you meet her that's just crazy and uh but you know my boys they to their credit they didn't they didn't bust my chops too much and uh i don't know i think look it's on its surface is pretty surprising and and i will say the um probably one of the most satisfying parts about it was at the time i had just come back to reddit and and we had met i mean folks and we met randomly to breakfast at a hotel in rome of all places and i was going to try to escape the job i had been there for six months seven days a week like i wasn't my head of comms was like you got to get you got to go on a trip like get out of here you're you're just redlining and And she sent me to Rome to do the speaking gig.

1:10:49I didn't want to go do it, but I did. And I just pulled up at breakfast one morning and basically Serena and her team tried to get me to move. I didn't move. And she was like, my team was planning on sitting there. And I was like, that's fine. They can come join me. And, you know, we started a conversation and she pretended like she knew what Reddit was. And this was 2015. She was trying to be really polite, but she really had no, no clue. And I mean, to be honest with her, I'm not big back then anyway. But thankfully, thankfully, we kept the conversation going. And she was curious enough about the tech industry, the rest of the history.

1:11:27Shannon Sharpe:You know, Alex, I'm going to get you out of here on this one. A guy once told me, he said, he asked me a question. He said, Shannon, you know why movie stars marry other movie stars? I'm like, they like each other? I mean, he said, no. He said, because the other know what it's like to live in that world. you know what it's like to devote time to be great she knows what it's like to devote time to be great so you guys know what it's like to live in the other's world and you bring these worlds together well it's not bad you know what and i and i'll tell you i i i will it is obvious how much like you said have having someone who is just so motivated on so many levels and i see i think the role model she is for our daughters you couldn't ask for a better better mother of your children um she also taught me uh that there's more seasoning than just salt and pepper uh i had no idea i had no idea uh you could use seasoning other than just salt and pepper so i've learned a lot uh but no i i really i feel i feel so fortunate it's uh it like i said it's been out of a journey and then as a fun surprise she's actually going to be handing out the tiffany crowns at athlos tomorrow night wow that's amazing and uh and she was feeling left out last year and so she was like hey i want to i want to be a part of this and so yeah it's going to be a lot of fun for the ladies so on top of the cash prize record breaking they're getting those tiffany crowns we did from the goat well we missed it we missed it this year but i promise you we'll be there next year you got to and we're gonna have multiple meets so new york we'll be a lot of them during the Olympics.

1:13:06Shannon Sharpe:We talked to them during the World Championships, and we want to help any way we possibly can to grow the sport of track and field. Obviously, we're very women-friendly. We want them to be the best. Alexis, thanks for joining us tonight. Tell Serena hello, and we'll talk to you again soon. Shannon, y 'all are amazing. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Appreciate you, bro. Thank you, guys.

1:13:36Shannon Sharpe:tickets for the Atholos New York City are also on sale now at Atholos.com make sure you go get those tickets see your favorite track and field athletes compete hey Masai already said she got her cash app ready so she's ready to get hey just punch it in good to go hey matter of fact I think I should compete huh? no? next year okay let them have their moments

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