Nightcap Hour 1: Knicks END 53 Year DROUGHT + Jalen Brunson WINS Finals MVP Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to the New York Knicks ending 53 Year championship drought and Jalen Brunson wins Finals MVP

15:33Shannon Sharpe:That is a great side for him because you watch and I'm trying to watch a game. I'm trying to see if there's a tail that I can pick up that I can like I can use as a tidbit. The tail for him is that when he gets tired, he no longer tries to catch the ball. He tries to guide it.

15:48Chad Johnson:Yeah. And but I think the thing is tonight is that he couldn't get rest like he could in other

15:56Shannon Sharpe:series once they got a lead because once he left the floor, they eat up into the lead. And so coach Johnson didn't feel comfortable keeping on the bench for any length of time. Cornette was awful. He terrible. Come on. There's no, I can't put, and I hate saying this, cause guys, we were all athletes, but he was god awful.

16:14Chad Johnson:Come on, man.

16:15Shannon Sharpe:This entire series.

16:16Chad Johnson:Oh, man, come on, man. They got no, man. Come on, hey, Lou Cornette ain't been nothing since he been hollering about it, since he cast a Magic City night of here in the left. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He ain't been here no nothing. Man, I can't, did you see that? The minutes that he given, bro? I'm talking about, they have no interior presence when he's in there. Out of field, better going with Kelly O 'Lennick.

16:39Shannon Sharpe:Man, come on, bro. Straight up. Out of field, better going with Kelly O 'Lennick. But Joe, in a game with this magnitude, the two guards can't go four for 25. They just can't. Yeah, castle. And they can't go one from 11 for the three. Listen. They can't. Hey, Joe, I told you it was going to happen with brother Darion Fox. The noise was too much for him. I knew it and I understood that moment. And as bad as everyone was talking about him, not just us, I'm talking about everybody, it was headline news on every sports channel. Yes. And I was like, that's why when I came on the show, Joe, the first thing I said was, ain't no way in hell he going to come out there and play normal.

17:25And that first thing I said, hey, he going to be gunshot. And if he's not gunshot, he's not going to shoot well. Because there's no way to recover from that in just a two-day span. It's impossible. because it's already in your head. It's like when you drop a ball. Yep. And it just, you don't let it go and have a short-term memory, and the next ball that comes, it beats you up again.

17:44Shannon Sharpe:Man, that's normally how it happens. And you got a night where Cat had two points and fouls out. OG was 3 of 11. OG had his worst game. He didn't play particularly well. He didn't play well at all. OG did not play well tonight. Considering how he played in the previous four games and how he played in the previous series, this was by far OG's worst performance. But all that being said, Josh Hart was Josh Hart. 13 points, 11 boards, two assists, only one turnover, three offensive rebounds. You get Mikael Bridges doing what he normally does. He gave you 14 tonight. Two rebounds, four assists, a block.

18:21Shannon Sharpe:Those guys – and look at this. You got nine bench points. Nine bench points from the Knicks.

18:29Chad Johnson:Yeah.

18:30Shannon Sharpe:You got 32. 25 of them came from Dylan Harper 7 came from Kelton Johnson I just think the thing is Joe and Joe they are a young team Kelton Johnson is going to realize that bro every time you get in a situation you don't have to go one on one Carter Bryant every time you get a one on one you don't have to go one on one so you got to learn and sometimes you have to learn the hard way sometimes the lessons that we have to learn we have to learn the hard way we don't get an opportunity to learn seeing somebody else falter. We have to go through that. And this is a prime example. But the Knicks, and I'm looking up like, damn, they up again by 10.

19:09They up 16.

19:11Shannon Sharpe:I was like, oh my goodness. And I remember saying, okay, Knicks. I said, okay, Spurs, you got seven minutes for your life.

19:20Chad Johnson:It just started dwindling. It's like the inopportune time something can happen. It's like two Spurs going for the rebound. The ball right here, Wimby's so tired, it go out of bounds. And it knocks it out of bounds, and they come back and hear the three.

19:35Shannon Sharpe:Yes, Joe.

19:37Chad Johnson:It's like, you know, so it's like when we talk about value and possessions in the postseason and the playoffs, that's what we're talking about, bro. Like, it's that small of a margin, winning and losing, off of that little rebound. They could have took y 'all down there to get a good shot, you know, versus them just, y 'all, that turnover led to a three. which cuts deep into the league. Now you start to see the tension start to get a lot tighter in the arena. I'm like, man, I'll be down in Brunson. Hey, Joe, what's the name of the tournament they have in the middle of the season? Oh, you're talking about the NBA Cup.

20:14Who won the NBA Cup this year? The Knicks. And who just won the Larry O 'Brien trophy? And who did they beat for the NBA Cup? The Spurs. Now you see the type of knowledge? Why my ball knowledge is elite? Because I understood that. I remember that.

20:31Chad Johnson:This man act like he just saw the damn jigsaw or something. Come on, man. I must have had to because you've been wrong all year long. I mean, what you talking about? Wimby, look, hey, let's stay on the mix a little longer.

20:44Shannon Sharpe:Okay.

20:47Shannon Sharpe:Brunson was sensational. This was, I mean, if I'm not mistaken, I don't know how many 40-point games, playoff games that we've had this postseason. I think, what you call them, had one.

21:01Chad Johnson:Hey, and Unc, you know everybody been talking about at first, Towns is going to be the MVP. Then he went to Antenobly being the MVP. OG, yeah. Yeah. Nobody had, look, this man, it's still a couple games left.

21:16Shannon Sharpe:Brothers say, hey, I'm going to remove all doubt. Hello. But this is the funny thing about the Knicks though, Unc and Joe. Every night, obviously, OG had a good run. OG's had a phenomenal playoff series. Yeah, they're not here without OG. But the fact that tonight wasn't his night and somebody else always shows up, hell, in this series, Josh Harding went in double figures, I don't think, one game. But all of a sudden, tonight, he's in double figures and OG doesn't have a good game. And then Jalen Brunson has an outer body experience when it matters most and does what we're used to seeing him do.

21:47And he takes it up a notch. Yeah. in the moment.

21:52Shannon Sharpe:How many, Joe, he get them up in the air on the three-point ball?

21:58Chad Johnson:Hey, that's his last move.

22:00Shannon Sharpe:After that, he ain't got nothing else. And guess what? One of them, they fired him with.3 on the clock.

22:06Chad Johnson:Oh, man, listen.

22:07Shannon Sharpe:Bailed him out a couple of times. I just think the thing is, look, and we're going to talk about the Spurs. We're not done with the Spurs, but I think we're going to have to give the Knicks a lot of – because that guy right there. When you got that guy, and everybody's had that guy, the Bulls had Jordan, the Lakers had Kobe, and the Cavs had Bron and D-Wade when he was in his prime. Everybody's always had that one guy. No matter how bad things got, we got a guy that if we can get it close, if we can just reattach, he can bring us home.

22:39Chad Johnson:You already know it.

22:40Shannon Sharpe:And they have so much confidence. And like I said, look, we don't see guys like this. You got to realize, Jalen Brunson might be 6 '1". Mm-hmm. Small guys, small guards, playoffs, we don't see him take over games like he's been able to do it, Joe.

22:56Chad Johnson:Nah. We just don't. Nah. And it ain't even just been the finals, man. It's been like the previous two, three years, Uncle Ocho. Since he got to New York. Yeah, he's been this fourth quarter demon to where he just comes through in the clutch. Hey, man, the young man got it. I ain't going to lie. Even watching the game tonight, as the game starts, you know, as the time starts to tick, I'm like, even five, six minutes left, I'm like, man, it just felt like everything was going to go right for the Knicks, bro, for whatever reason. That's just how I felt after a while because I said, damn, the Spurs done played so great in every game, Ocho.

23:36Chad Johnson:Yes, sir. Yes, sir. They played great in every game, bro, but the lows are the low. And they come into unopportune times in the fourth quarter to where there's nothing you can do about it, bro.

23:47Shannon Sharpe:Joe, Ocho, they can't stop the bleeding. You know how you get a cut? Yeah. And most people say, okay, you do this, you do this, turn it cut, or you do this. They can't stop the bleeding. They can't. And they bleed out every time. They start making – now all of a sudden they don't run any plays. Everybody want to be hero. They start jacking up shots. Everybody start turning over the ball. And then all of a sudden you see Brunson. Okay, you got two back. You see Brunson coming, you got to load the paint.

24:14Chad Johnson:Man.

24:15Shannon Sharpe:And they don't load the paint. And guess what? He squeezes through, he gets a layup. He got like three of those, Joe. I'm like, you got to load the paint. You got to load the paint. You got to load the paint. He's got to see multiple bodies there so to deter him from trying to get there. Because if he only sees one and he sees the rim behind that one, he's going to the basket. He's going to the basket. Hey, Uncle, you got to think. he got two ways to go every time too, Joe. What's that? Brunson knowing if the paint ain't loaded, if nobody's crashing down, if they gonna stay out, that's me all day.

24:50If they load the paint, hell, I'm gonna kick out. And I'm gonna trust whoever it is to get that ball to make that shot.

24:56Shannon Sharpe:In that situation though, Ocho, I'm taking my chance with somebody else because I know he's got it going now. I see he's got it going. I'm taking my chance with somebody else. Because once those guys get it going, it ain't no turning them. off. You just hope hopefully I can force somebody else to shoot enough to help break his rhythm. Because if you look at it, Joe, on that 8-0 run, it was him.

25:19Chad Johnson:Yeah. It was him.

25:22Shannon Sharpe:The three free throws, the getting to the basket, the layup, the and one. It was him. I just might need to get somebody else to shoot the ball a couple times down to break him out of a rhythm.

25:32Chad Johnson:Man, I don't know. I feel like Brunson understood the moment and guys like him who never going to be the fastest, most explosive, the quickest guys on the court. Yes, sir. Bruh, when you talk about first step, his first step is to get in front of you, to cut you off, to cut your momentum off from trying. That's how he got winded him a couple times when he laid him up. Yeah. It's get in front of you, cut you off, make you have to kind of back up. And now it's the stop and go. I mean, it's the craftiness in this game. It's the being lefty. He just has so much in his bag, bro, that down the stretch, Uncle Ocho, I never felt that the Spurs were going to be able to get a stop.

26:14Chad Johnson:It just seemed like every time he shot the damn ball, he shot that one fadeaway that he missed on the side of the backboard by outside of that in that fourth quarter. I'm like, he too dangerous, bro. He's shown you time and time again. He hit Wimby with a move and got to the basket.

26:29Shannon Sharpe:That's what I'm talking about. Dolby took bop. And the thing is, is that when Wimby gets tired, Joe, he really can't do anything. It's a wrap. It's a wrap. The problem is, though, for me, just watching it, being an ex-former athlete, he goes out so hard, he doesn't understand how to pace himself yet. Yeah. Because you see, he hit a shot, he running down the court, you know, he's so excited, he doesn't understand, Bro, we still got 47 minutes to go. He's going to have to do a better job because you can't win the game in the first 10 minutes of the game. And he be spent. He's gone anaerobic every game.

27:17And at that point, it's just like, I just hope I can finish.

27:21Shannon Sharpe:Because he has nothing left. You watched the chat. Y 'all watched him. He doesn't even try to get to the rim. He doesn't even try to post up.

27:30Chad Johnson:that first half of the week, he be too spent. He be too spent to try and fight and gain position down there in that post and that mid post and be on balance. Like I'll say, when they throw that ball and then he go to tipping it, next thing you know, they go another way.

27:46Shannon Sharpe:So not because he's already out of position. There ain't nobody to protect the paint. Right. And the thing was, look, they get whatever they want. I mean, they got a situation where McKell Bridges missed the three. hey I have a hey Uncle Joe I have a one too what's up yes with a situation like this with the Knicks after not winning the championship in 53 years Brunson having a series hell Brunson having a season forget a playoff series Brunson the season he's had obviously the disrespect you know with the mask you know offered him can he now get a MAAC contract or that's not the way the way it works yeah he just

28:24Chad Johnson:he just signed a deal didn't he

28:26Shannon Sharpe:yeah he gave up he didn't want the MAAC He wanted pieces. He knew that if I get a max contract, they're not going to be able to put bridges around me. They can't put OG around me. They can't put pieces around me. See, a lot of guys, like the most, everybody says they want to win. I want to win making max dollars. It's just hard to do it. Okay, I got it. Unless you get situations like what you got with Shea, a guy that was on a second contract, which wasn't a max. It gets harder and harder because at some point in time, they're going to have to break OKC up. You can't have three guys making$250 million a year.

29:05Shannon Sharpe:Man. I mean, but his value is going up exponentially based on what he's making right now. I'm sure they got ways to take care of him.

29:17Chad Johnson:But hold on, hold on. He in New York, that market, he going to make crazy money off the court. Especially now, Joe. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. A champion, like, come on, man. Come on, man.

29:27Shannon Sharpe:The doors are going to open just like Steph being in Silicon Valley and winning. So he gets an opportunity that these ventures come up, these venture capitalists, they go talk to him. Hey, Steph, would you like to be a part of this?

29:41Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah.

29:42Shannon Sharpe:Draymond, now New York, they got things down there. Hey, he's a champion. Hey, Jay LeBron said, hey, man, we'd love to have you be a part of this. So, yeah, I think that's it. that's it but you got to just tip your hat to the Knicks being down and like I said Joe the problem that you run into if somebody ever tracks you down they believe they can continuously do it what was 16 points if we already done came back from 29 just a game before Joe 13 fewer points we got to come from behind we absorbed that 16 wasn't it 14 the first game or 13-14 14-15 is nothing to them. Bro. And I don't know what starts to seep.

30:31Shannon Sharpe:Doubt starts to seep. I know it's... And they're going to say no, blah, blah, blah. Doubt starts to seep in your mind when you get a lead and all of a sudden they whittle it down.

30:43Chad Johnson:Man.

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33:59Chad Johnson:But think about this. If you're the Spurs, bro. I'm just thinking like, damn, in every game, even tonight when they were up 16, I'm thinking to myself, man, how do you get to this point? Every game, okay, Ocho, to where you up double figures on this team. I'm talking about all you got to do is just play solid. And I'm talking about play after play, bro. It's like they'll do some dumb fouls, whether it's Harper fouling Brunson at the half-court line, just too aggressive. Give them two free throws. Give them two free throws. Hey, as a scorer, that's all I want. I want to see it go through the basket a couple times.

34:36Chad Johnson:I done got a couple free throws. Next thing you know, now you can't cool me off. Feeling good. How many times they found him at the three-point line, Joe? I know, man. It's just time and time. It's just like it just started to compound. And I'm like, come on, bro. Y 'all got to get it together.

34:52Shannon Sharpe:They got a seven-point lead. Try to get the rebound. Mitchell Robinson tips it in. Now it's a five-point lead. Could have been a seven-point lead. If we go down there, maybe we get something. You get the situation. We got the rebound. We got three guys. All the Knicks have done gone back down the court. What happened? Ball goes out of bounds. Now they get the ball back. Hit a three. right now it's a two-point game right right it's things like that yes that becomes self-inflicted that you like oh my goodness there we go yeah they just can't stop the bleeding once what a paper cut turns into you have to go to the trauma center when all you should be able to do is just put a band-aid on it over it and be able to move on now I got to go to the trauma because I got to get 30 stitches.

35:40Hey, even with that going to the trauma center, it should only happen one time. The fact that it's happened multiple times.

35:48Chad Johnson:Ocho, I'm with you. I'm with you, bro. It happened multiple times. I'm with you. Hey, Joe, if you make one mistake, you know, chances are when you're in that situation again, you're not going to make that same mistake twice. Yeah, and it's like once the lead is blown and the Knicks get it back down to six or five, it's a game now. And, you know, time and time again, what has happened? The Knicks have prevailed. They've came through in the clutch. I'm like, bro.

36:17Shannon Sharpe:But you know what, Joe? I'm watching it. If you watch the Spurs, as long as you allow them to get up and down, Joe, what happened in the first half? How did they get that lead, Joe? They getting up and down, spraying threes. The moment you get it to a single-digit game, and now you got to execute, what do they do?

36:38Chad Johnson:Turnover.

36:39Shannon Sharpe:Turnover after turnover. As long as you let them get up and down, and they can get kicked and Vassell, and the champagne, boom, and you got Harper, or you got Wimby, boom. The moment that you get them in a half-court set.

36:55Chad Johnson:And the game slows down. And the game slows down.

37:00Shannon Sharpe:Now, you get the Knicks in a half-court set. They got a guy of all the guys.

37:11Yeah, you're right.

37:13Chad Johnson:It's different, bro.

37:15Shannon Sharpe:Hey. One more thing. Mike Brown, congratulations. Yes, sir. Oh, man. Hey, you've been coach of the year a couple of times. I think he's coach of the year in Sacramento. He's coach of the year, won 66 games with LeBron, led them to the finals. He's a champion.

37:31Chad Johnson:Job well done. First year.

37:33Shannon Sharpe:Job well done. I mean, I was surprised that they fired Thibodeau. Yeah. Considering, and I think the thing is, is that they fired Thibodeau because they feel... He run him into the ground. Well, this, I felt that once they beat Boston, the Knicks thought it was smooth sailing. Right. Because Boston was a preeminent favorite. We took down the favorite, so we should be the favorite. Right. And lo and behold, what happened? Indiana got him.

37:57Chad Johnson:Yep. Yep.

37:59Shannon Sharpe:It didn't seem like, and this is what I talk about, sometimes it didn't seem like the right move at the time, but it was absolutely the right move. Yeah. And that's what people say, well, if you fire him, who are you going to hire?

38:12Chad Johnson:Yeah.

38:12Shannon Sharpe:Oh, there are pretty coaches out there.

38:14Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah.

38:16Shannon Sharpe:If you trade him, who are you going to bring him in? Okay, look where we're finishing with him.

38:20Chad Johnson:Yeah.

38:20Shannon Sharpe:We can finish there without him. Mike Brown deserves a ton of credit. Yes, sir. He deserves a ton of credit. He deserves even more credit. Now, I don't know, but keeping Rick Brunson on the stage, maybe that was, hey, you can get this job, but his dad stays.

38:35Chad Johnson:Yeah. I don't know, but it was a great move.

38:38Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. And you hear Jalen talk about how it, like, he's a coach when we're there. He's my dad, but we're talking as a coach player, obviously. And he says, you know, it's great to have him around because you got to realize when I was a kid, my dad played in the NBA he's all around he says i have my dad around more now than i at any point in time that i can remember yeah that means something to it yeah but he also understands i don't think he has kids of his own the the grind and the sacrifice that you got to make yeah and when you have your kids you will understand it yep because a lot of times kids don't understand what parents have to go through to sacrifice but when you have your own kids you have a greater appreciation yeah they they're

39:25Chad Johnson:never understand until they get their own. Hey, never. Man, do you hear me? Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, shout out to my guy World Wide West, too, for the New York Knicks, bro.

39:38Shannon Sharpe:Yep, he put it together.

39:39Chad Johnson:Yeah, player partner of mine, man. He done a hell of a job with them Knicks, boy.

39:44Shannon Sharpe:He done an unbelievable job. He came in and, you know, what they gave up. I mean, you know, you think about it, like, hold on. They gave up how many first round picks with McHale Bridges?

39:57Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey. They paid off. Oh, Ocho. Huh? If I'm D. Vincenzo, I'm pissed. These mofos are when they got a ring after they traded me. Y 'all, ugh. I ain't bout nothing. Yeah.

40:12Shannon Sharpe:It's a part of it. But the thing is, is that... And then Cat. Cat didn't have a great game tonight. But for the most part of the series, he did it the first two games. He did an unbelievable job making it very, very difficult on Wimby. And he kept Wimby in a situation where Wimby had to play defense.

40:33Chad Johnson:Yep. Yep. He won them first two games for him. Yep. And he made the Spurs adjust by taking Wimby off of Cat and putting, like, Castle somebody and letting him wrestle with him and having Wimby be that weak side help, which I ultimately thought, you know, it worked at times. It did. Yeah, but I thought Cat done his job in this series. Winning them first two games for him, I mean, he was huge. Huge.

41:00Shannon Sharpe:I think the question is moving forward, Joe. I don't know what type of voice Harrison Barnes had in the locker room. I did see a thing where he said that him, Wimby, and Carter Bryant, they do watch a lot of movies, if I'm not mistaken, on the road. They do them three mainly together. Yeah. But they're going to have to get somebody in that has a voice. that can calm them down. Yeah. Because it's tough. It's tough in the situation where you're young and nobody has ever been in these situations before.

41:35Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah.

41:37Shannon Sharpe:Nobody's ever been here before. You know, and even if, I think even if you have someone, Joe, in that locker room who's been in those situations before, the words that they can tell you and express to you on what it's like is nothing like having to experience it. Just because they tell you what it's like doesn't mean you're able to execute, which you should do when you're in those moments like that.

41:56Chad Johnson:Right. Experiences. So I guarantee you when the Spurs, oh, the Spurs are going to be back in this moment again. They're going to be back in the finals again. You know, probably multiple times, you know, throughout the years. And I guarantee their approach and how they feel, that adrenaline rush, that nervousness, those butterflies will be a little bit different. The way it conducts himself, you know, on the court, not exerting so much energy early, picking and choosing what spots didn't exert that energy. so he's able to have some fuel left in the take on the back end of the games hey you talking about the Spurs having somebody to calm him down hell that's what our point guard for we pay we pay him a pretty penny and we need him to be better in those situations because he's the extension of the coach hell the coach on the sideline he can give us a game plan that's all he can do when we get out there between them lines it's just us five out there hey look we looking at the pg like all right what we got boom okay they done scored they didn't score six points in a row we need the point guard to be able to get everybody under control okay boom boom i need to make sure i get ocho a touch he ain't touched it in a couple times you know what i mean we need to make sure we get wimby a good look you know even just throwing it up that high when he right there by the block you know what i mean like even at times i understand you know late in games he don't necessarily grab it like he do in the first half, but, bro, you got to find a way to make the game easier in those moments.

43:24Yeah.

43:27Looking...

43:31Shannon Sharpe:A point guard. And I think the thing is, Joe, we've gone so far away from the typical point guards that most of these guards, the guys are twos masquerading. Right, as one. These guys are looking to score, Joe. They ain't looking to initiate no damn offense. Yeah, but look at Fox, though.

43:46Chad Johnson:I mean, Fox, yeah, he can score, and, you know, he uses quickness to his advantage. But, damn, man, he got to have some sense out there, huh? You know, I mean, I understand Castle masquerade.

43:58Shannon Sharpe:Oh, you want to have some sense? So you want to have some sense? So that's why he tried to go with OG right there and try to lay the ball up?

44:05Chad Johnson:Yeah, I expect better. That got to have some sense. I expect better from him. I expect better from him. I really do. I expect better from him. That was hero ball right there, Joe. Yeah, I expect better, bro. I don't.

44:18Shannon Sharpe:I expect exactly what – based on what I've seen of him in his career, this is exactly what I expect. He's the guy that got a three-point lead, and he files a three-point guy, and the guy makes it, and he loses, and the guy makes the free throw, a four-point play, and I lost the game. I got a three-point lead. That's the guy that you expected. Really, Joe?

44:38Chad Johnson:Yeah, I'm hoping he learned from them experiences. Damn, listen, you playing on a young team, bro, You ain't even got to be great every night. But, damn, we just need you to be able to control tempo, pace, and dictate, you know, how we maneuver things offensively, meaning be the quarterback. Damn, every play ain't going to be no home run play, but we need you to be able to have this thing under wraps. Listen, when we up eight points with three minutes left in the game, hell, man, I don't care if you run off 20 seconds of the damn shot clock every time and we get a last-minute shot. Man, hell, we probably won two games just by doing that.

45:18Shannon Sharpe:Yo, when they had them leads, how many times you see Vassell or you see them guys taking quick threes when they were up? You still saw it, right? I don't see real. Okay. Yeah. So, in other words, do you think your point guard said, look, guys, we get this lead, man. Hey, let's not take these threes. We don't need to take quick threes. Now let's try to run. But here's the thing. They got the lead by playing free. They ain't run no half-court set, Joe.

45:46Chad Johnson:That's my thing, bro. Early in the game, when there isn't no pressure, and you can just go out there and willy-nilly and get you a couple of threes, a couple of middies, you know. But when it comes to late game and blowing these leads that they've blown in this whole entire series, bro, come on, man. I didn't see this from the Spurs. I'm going to be honest with you.

46:09Shannon Sharpe:No, we ain't trying to hear that. Fox injured. I ain't trying to hear that. He should have just sat down. He can't play. He injured since when? He got a high ankle sprain. Well, sit down. No, you know, see, the thing is, had they won, he wouldn't use the injury as no excuse. We don't do, like I said, Barney Poitier used to tell my brother now, he said, I'm not going to give you an excuse because you might use it.

46:33Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

46:36Shannon Sharpe:Nah, we're not finna do that. We're not finna do that. So what they got, so the injury, did it make him try to lay the ball up with 11 seconds on the clock and not pull it out? The injury did that, right? Yeah. Okay. So that turnover that he threw the ball backcourt, he crossed the court, he the point guard, and he turned the ball over. The injury made him do that.

46:54Chad Johnson:Yeah.

46:55Shannon Sharpe:Them turnovers that he had, let me guess, the injuries made him do that. God Almighty knows. Damn injury. Damn. You didn't mention nothing about the injury when he hit that clutch bucket in game three. You ain't mentioned nothing about the injury. I ain't seen nobody mention the injury.

47:12Chad Johnson:Oh, Lord.

47:13Shannon Sharpe:Now, all of a sudden, they lose. He played bad. He made a dumb play. Now it's the injuries.

47:20Chad Johnson:Nah, we ain't going to do that. Hey, man. If you the Spurs, obviously, you know, this hurts because of the promise that you showed in all these games, bro. You know what I mean? Yeah.

47:35Shannon Sharpe:I guess that's the bright side. I guess that's the side that you can look on. You can look at the positive and say, look, we're the youngest team in the NBA. We're the youngest team to make the finals since the 77 Portland Trailblazers. So that's almost 50 years.

47:48Chad Johnson:Yeah.

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50:55Shannon Sharpe:When you climb in the mountain and you reach the top, you don't get to stay there. You got to walk your ass back down and if you want to go back to the top again, you got to climb again. It's just like when you ride a ride, you don't get to sit on the ride at the amusement park.

51:10Chad Johnson:You got to get

51:11Shannon Sharpe:Get your ass off and get back in line.

51:12Chad Johnson:Yeah.

51:13Shannon Sharpe:That line might be an hour long. Yo, you ain't. Them people don't say, I got another ticket. They say, okay, I know you do. Get your ass back in that line. You see that line? They go way by Dakota. Get back in it and you get back on. Damn, man, that's crazy, man. Listen, I'm in my hotel, Joe. I can hear everything. It's lit. Oh, I know New York lit. I can hear everything. And then, hey, Joe, they got the Puerto Rican Day Parade tomorrow. Can you imagine? That's going to be like, hey, them boys fly back tonight, huh? Or they wait till tomorrow? Oh, yeah. They might stay. Because it's all, hold on, what time is it?

51:53Shannon Sharpe:It's only an hour difference in time. They'll probably stay. They'll probably stay and come back in the morning.

51:58Chad Johnson:What do you mean? The Knicks? You think they're going to stay there, Joe? Hell no. Them boys finna get on their jet. They finna get their ass back to New York. If they were somewhere, let's just say for the sake of argument,

52:08Shannon Sharpe:They're in Miami or they're in LA. Oh, they stay.

52:11Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We, we, we, or they were, they were in Vegas.

52:15Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Hell. As a matter of fact, they might fly to Vegas. Yeah. There you go. They might fly to Vegas. Ooh.

52:26Chad Johnson:Hey, no boy for the kick it. Ooh. No boy for the kick it. Uh, this is, this was. That's dope. I'm happy. Boy, I'm happy for Mike Brown, but.

52:36Shannon Sharpe:Now, hey. Hey, Jalen Brunson playing this ain't bad. When y 'all start talking about champions, hey, I understand what Derek Jeter is, and I understand some of the greats, but hey. They in the same echelon.

52:50Chad Johnson:Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. Of New York greats now. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. He ain't got to pay for another meal. No question. He can go anywhere. He ain't got to pay for nothing no more. No question, no question. He ain't going anywhere in New York. All of them, all of them, Mojo.

53:06Shannon Sharpe:Hey, Brunson's going to say, hey, man, he's going to call up Rayos. Hey, man, I want to bring the family to Rayos. Absolutely. We'd love to have you, Mr. Brunson. What's that? What's that, huh? Oh, that Italian restaurant. They ain't got, but they won't probably hold about 40 people. Right. And all the tables are owned by someone. So they have to clear you to come in there and sit at their table. Okay, okay. Oh, it's like that, huh? Yeah. Okay. Absolutely like that. Man, that's crazy. And so Brunson going to get at the big table. That's dope. Man. That's dope. He going to be at the big table.

53:40Chad Johnson:Yeah, man, I'm happy for the Knicks, bro. That's what's up. That's what's up.

53:44Shannon Sharpe:Me, I'm happy for Brunson and his dad. Plus, I like Cat. I love Cat. I love Cat's story. He's taking a lot of criticism. Some of it deserved. You know, I think for me, Ocho, Joe, is that they think everybody, well, he ain't got the Kobe mentality. He ain't got Jordan mentality. Who does? So if everybody was Jordan, if everybody was Kobe, what are we talking here? Right, right, right. That wouldn't be realistic. Thank you. There has to be levels to everything. Yeah. It's okay. It's okay. People have won championships that maybe weren't as great or didn't have the Mamba mentality or Jordan this.

54:33Shannon Sharpe:There have been people that won championships without that. Yeah. People make it seem like there's only one way to win a championship. Right. I think your team needs to be fairly close. I think there needs to be a bond where you guys, for the most part, get along. I ain't saying you got to be boys. I ain't saying. But, hey, I do think that the closer you are off the court, the closer you'll be on the court.

54:57Chad Johnson:Yep. Yep.

54:58Shannon Sharpe:That's just me.

54:58Chad Johnson:Yep. But, hey, I agree. I agree. That camaraderie because it carries over on the court. It absolutely does.

55:05Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I agree. Ocho, Joe, in game one, the Spurs led by 14. In game two, they led by 12. In game three, a game in which they won, they led by 12. In game four, they led by 29. In game five, they led by 16. I don't know if we've had a situation in finals history. Never. We've seen a team lead every single game and only end up winning one.

55:31Chad Johnson:Then a double-digit lead, not just a lead. You know what I mean? A double-digit lead, Ocho. I mean, bruh, if you the Spurs, I mean, every game, you had a prime opportunity. And it's like, wow, the Knicks just – they were great. I mean, especially late game, down the stretch when you need to be, bro.

55:57Shannon Sharpe:uh miss johnson yesterday he said darren fox will have the basketball in his hands at the end of the game tomorrow here's darren fox's fourth quarter number y 'all zero points zero for uh zero from four for field goal range zero assists and zero turtle and zero rebounds hey i told you what it would look like that tonight i told you i i told you i knew it especially with answer when they asked him. Oh, it doesn't bother me. I don't care about the outside. Yes, you do. Joe, I mean, we ask you, Joe. Yes, you hear it no matter what.

56:31Chad Johnson:Yeah. If you don't hear from the outside, you hear from the people that are closest to you. Yeah. Charles

56:40Shannon Sharpe:Bartlett Halftime says, I hate to say this, Mitch got to go with Castle and Harper. He's got to get Fox out of the game. If you're Coach Johnson, you can't be worried about people's feelings out there. And that's what it was, Joe. because he's a veteran player. He left him in the ball game. Look, I still got confidence in him. Nah, bro, I ain't got no confidence in him. Sit your ass over here.

57:05Shannon Sharpe:It's got to be true. I'm trying to win a game. Your feelings don't... Feelings. And unfortunately, guys, they don't make band-aids for feelings. Because I'd rather put a band-aid on it and keep it moving. But with that being said, I can't worry about your feelings. I've got to put the best guys. I've got to put the best five guys in the game. And at that point in time, Castle and Harper should have been in the ball game. Along with Champagny, Bissell, and Wimby. Hey, Joe, remember what I asked you last series?

57:40Chad Johnson:What was that? The Cavs series, the first thing when a certain individual wasn't playing well. I said, well, why don't they just take him out? and right away said, no, you can't because of his feelings. And now what's the difference with Bench's? Because I think Donovan Mitchell is a different player than De 'Aaron Fox. No, he wasn't Donovan Mitchell. He was talking about James Harden. James Harden. He wasn't playing well. Yeah, he wasn't playing well, Ocho. And the first thing I said, well, how come they don't sit him down and let our shooter come in? But he had played well.

58:16Shannon Sharpe:For the most part in this series, Darren Fox hadn't played well, Ocho. So it would have been an easier shift to sit him down as opposed to Harden. It's just Darren Fox didn't play well this series. He didn't.

58:35Chad Johnson:Right. But the damn Dylan Harper, it made it hard not to play. It made it hard to take him off the floor. I ain't going to lie, boy. Yeah. It would have been tough. I mean, even tonight, bro, when he got into his little rhythm where he couldn't miss, I'm like, man, you got to understand, man, this dude is – Come on, man.

58:54Shannon Sharpe:Joe, he hit some shots tonight, and then he missed the layup. Joe, you saw – Joe, he hit a step back. He hit a three. Hey, he was getting to the – he was finishing.

59:08Chad Johnson:He was special, man. He missed that shot.

59:10Shannon Sharpe:Miss Johnson reflects on tonight's game on the surface level. I don't think anybody other than the people in that room expected us to be here. So there's a lot of good in that, and there's a lot of pain in it. What's happened at both things can be true. Yeah, hold on. Oh, Joe, you got Wimby. People say Wimby's going to be the face of the league. You can't be the face of a league with just an average guy.

59:34Chad Johnson:Right.

59:35Shannon Sharpe:You got Dylan Harper, who's the second pick in the draft. Wimby was the number one overall pick in the draft. Castle was a top five pick. What are you talking about? Bissell was a top pick I mean he was a first round pick come on coach Johnson I get it look that's coach speak I gotta give this coach speak Joe

59:58Shannon Sharpe:but he does bless some culpability in this yeah if you notice tonight Joe he used those timeouts he damn sure did

1:00:07Chad Johnson:he damn sure did when they cut it to 6 he called a timeout He was using them tonight. I'm like, okay, all right. Hey, a day late on a dollar show. Damn timeouts didn't do nothing.

1:00:23Shannon Sharpe:Hell, he should have been using it. Say, you know what? How many timeouts I got for game five? Well, let me go and get the three of them right now. I'm going to use them in game. I'm going to use these in game four. And so just go ahead and shout me on the other here. Hey, you know back in the day, Joe, you don't use this Kabar and get your money. Right, right, right. You know, Mr. Such, I'm going to work all day next week, so can I get an advance a little bit of – Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you sure you coming? Right. Yeah, it was – boy, I know Pop losing his mind.

1:01:02Chad Johnson:I don't know, though. You know, I mean, I think Pop going to give them some grace because they're a young team, you know, knowing that obviously – I mean, y 'all got to understand, bro, just a year ago, hell, they won the lottery. Like, they wasn't even in the postseason. Because Wimby got hurt. But I'm just saying, they wasn't in the postseason, though. So to be here in the finals, I know he's probably disappointed, you know, at some of the games. Hell, if not all of them. But he just got to hope this team continues to grow together, bro.

1:01:40Shannon Sharpe:hell yeah it's just it's disappointing no question you know you say you know and and and i've i've i've been fortunate enough to get to the super bowl three times and never lost and everybody and if you don't joe oh joe we've heard people say i'd rather not go than get there and lose and lose yeah yeah that that would hurt that would hurt that's crazy man Man Joe I ain't never been there Joe

1:02:06Chad Johnson:It's alright I went to New England But golly Yeah I ain't never played in the finals Joe them boys Every week Joe Every week I wasn't doing nothing Joe I ain't had nothing to do with it Because I mean Joe you know they already intact You know Man every week they would win I'm like God I'm like, okay, okay. And it gives you a different feeling too, don't it? It's different when you play on a team and you winning and you ain't a part of it. It's kind of like, you know what I mean? Not that you checked out, but you're like, damn. I get it. I get it, bro. Yeah. I get it. That was a standard for New England, huh?

1:02:50Man, it was a standard, boy. And I never understood why they won. From the outside looking, you understood how good the team was. but you don't understand the nuts and bolts on why they winning so being and seeing how things are done from top to bottom okay now i get it watching how they practice yeah tail accountable everybody held to the same standard okay now i get it yeah hey it was that was that was a dope experience it was a dope experience and it was one where i didn't really contribute to anything but now i get a better understanding of why they've always been so great for so long yeah

1:03:26Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, hey, it starts at the top, bro. Like your top guys, when all y 'all hold each other accountable like that and can't see that, it takes the squad to a whole nother level, bro. Yeah. I've been on teams like that. I know what it look like. I know what it look like. Hey, boy, ain't finna be part of that heart in New York City. You see, I just opened my drape, Joe. I'm looking. I'm looking. I can see out my window downstairs. Joe, they going crazy in the middle of the street. It's going to be all night, old Joe. I'm talking about to the break of dawn. Yeah. Them folks finna go hard, boy.

1:04:01Chad Johnson:Crazy. That's dope, though, man. That's dope. That's dope. Not only is it dope, but it's good for the game of basketball. Obviously, New York being the mecca of basketball, Ocho, you know, it says a lot, bro. For them to, it took them 53 years to get back to the mountaintop like this. Like, damn, bro, that's a hell of a drought. You feel what I'm saying? That's the longest drought. That's the longest drought, huh? Matter of fact, ain't it? It might be. At 53? Yeah, it might be. It ain't as long as the Hawks. Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. God damn, Joe. You know, hey, you know Ong be hating. You know he be hating, man.

1:04:40Chad Johnson:Man, hey, Joe, he came out of left field with that one. Yeah, yeah. Hey, Joe, Stern further, piss me off.

1:04:46Shannon Sharpe:I got to start drinking with Joe. Hey, well, maybe next time. You know what? I heard you guys talking. And people get bad at me. That's why I couldn't play with everybody. Standard is a standard. I don't do all this stuff I do. I don't eat like I do. I don't deny myself. I don't deny my family to come out here and have y 'all bulljive.

1:05:10Chad Johnson:Right.

1:05:10Shannon Sharpe:Sleep in the meetings, run to your car, get on the phone, talk and carry on. I don't care about none of that. I don't care about none of y 'all feelings. I did not come to Denver to be friends. Right. If I made friends, fine. If I didn't, fine. Right. This is what, and it gets me so upset that people that never played the game or never been involved in anything that's a team, they don't get it.

1:05:40Chad Johnson:Nope.

1:05:41Shannon Sharpe:And that's okay. But I believe there's a right way and a wrong way to do everything. I'm not saying that I won every game that I played. but when you put so much into it and when it doesn't go well it hurts also when you put so much into it and then you see like bro the mistakes that we're making the one thing I'll always and I always say about this that Mike made me a but I was a good player yeah Mike made me a great player because like I said when he told me he would never accept anything in a win he wasn't even a loss. It made me start to realize dropping a pass in practice, even it's still not okay.

1:06:27Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:06:28Shannon Sharpe:Because if you drop a pass in practice and think it's okay, you drop one in the game and think it's okay. And you don't know when that a one play nah, but one play lead to another play lead to another play. And before you know it, it's a snowball effect. Yeah. Today's game. I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be able to play. I've talked to a lot of guys that play, that coach now, and they say, yeah, Sharp, you couldn't play. You couldn't play. These guys want to make money. These guys want clicks. They don't give a damn about no game. Yeah, we got some. Some of the guys do care, but it's about all that other stuff.

1:07:09Shannon Sharpe:And the way you prepared, the way I saw you work, nah. But then you got to think, when you played and joke, well, kind of Joe, I think we caught social media on the back end when it was first starting. It's a different era, Unc. It's a different era. We got social media. Everybody's trying to create a brand before they focus on their craft. And I tell – I'm not really one to be giving advice. It's the right message but the wrong message. It comes from someone like me. Everybody trying to create a brand instead of taking care of yourself on the football field and your brand will take care of itself.

1:07:45They doing everything backwards. I ran first and then go out there and try to play And you really not like that

1:07:51Chad Johnson:And you know what happens It's because cats fall in love With what the game brings them Versus Falling in love with the game bro You forget how you got to where you at Okay Ocho You know through that grind Tough workouts You know what I mean Having something that pushes you That motivates you to be better But then once you get those things you can never exhale, bro. You got to continue to improve, improve each and every year. And a lot of cats don't do it because once they make it to the lead and they start getting a chance to get everything, all the things that they desire or they won't, then they forget how they got there, bro.

1:08:34Shannon Sharpe:They don't forget. You know what happened, Joe? Because this happened to Ocho and I. When we try to hold guys accountable, shut up. Y 'all just mad. Y 'all hating. When Ocho and I, and we've had, this is not the only season, and I'm going to be talking about just A.J. Brown,

1:08:50Chad Johnson:or we see guys acting up, and we try to tell them, is this is the same thing.

1:08:58Shannon Sharpe:When A.B. was doing what he was doing, and when he's doing it in Pittsburgh, and when he got to Oakland, do you understand how many people say, oh, shut up, you don't know what you're talking about? Right. When I really did know what I was talking about because I had somebody there that was telling me everything that was going on. But anyway, that's neither here nor there. Oh, shut up. Let the live AB. Let AB fly. What this man is talking about, they gave this man$30 million. First two years, fully guaranteed, Ocho. All he had to do was just make the opening day roster. That Tuesday, he got$30 million coming.

1:09:31Shannon Sharpe:Fans on the internet hyping him up. Free AB, free AB, free AB. AB buying all that. A.B. Acker the fool in Tampa. They still co-signing. Yeah, they tried to show that man incentives. You know why they put incentives in the contract? You know he got to prove it deals? Because he's shown his ass the last two stops that he was at. Three stops, my bad. Last year in Pittsburgh. The man's supposed to – didn't even show it. Never here nor there. He got to the Raiders. They got a walkthrough. The walkthrough is in the ballroom, in the hotel. He didn't even go to that.

1:10:06Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:10:07Shannon Sharpe:Then he go to the Patriots. Do what he did there. and people still on the internet was caping for him when they know he wrong.

1:10:19Hey, Joe. Hey, if I play with Uncle Walter Joe, I'm crazy, boy.

1:10:26Shannon Sharpe:No, no, because the problem is you didn't have nobody there to hold you accountable. Because if somebody were there to hold you accountable, because that's Cincinnati. Cincinnati wasn't used to winning. So how can they tell you how can they tell you how to win when they hadn't been to the playoffs in forever? No, but I mean the way I played wasn't gonna change regardless where I was at. Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You can do you can do all of that. Oh, yeah.

1:10:56Shannon Sharpe:That's what I meant. I mean, no, no, no, no, no, no. As long as you where you're supposed to be doing what you're supposed to do. Yeah. You know what you're gonna get on that field now. My thing is when guys are acting crazy and the way they cape, if he wrong, he wrong. That's me. If I'm wrong, tell me I'm wrong. Okay, where did I go wrong at? What did I do that was wrong? Okay, gotcha. No problem. No problem. I ain't got no problem. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm mad enough to admit it. I'm never going to be too big to say I'm wrong. I'm never gonna be too wealthy to say I'm wrong. I'm never gonna be too credentialed to say I'm wrong.

1:11:40Shannon Sharpe:Never gonna have too much money to say I'm wrong. Right. It's okay, I'm wrong. But it bothered me. It bothered me because I knew what I put into it to be the player that I was. Right. That bothered me. When people say, well, such and such is better than you, such and such is better than that, that don't bother me. because I got whatever I could out of what I could do.

1:12:05Chad Johnson:Right.

1:12:06Shannon Sharpe:But let me tell you something. A man once told me, he said, son, be careful measuring your success with someone else's ruler. Hello. I'm done with it, Joe. Joe, I'm done. I don't want to get up here preaching. Because they're going to say, man, unk, shut up. And I'm gone. Run that back. I'm gone. I got my pen and my paper now.

1:12:25Chad Johnson:Yeah. Wait, be careful what? Measure.

1:12:28Shannon Sharpe:Measure your success with someone else's ruler. Yeah. Y 'all know what they do. They try to convince you, you not any good, but that's their ruler. Hold on, hold on. People are measuring yourself.

1:12:40Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, I like when Reverend Sharp come out. I like when Reverend Sharp come out. Hey, hey, hey, I like it. I like it. I like it. Go ahead, because I be learning too. I be learning. You better jot that down, Joey, if you don't believe it, bro. Yeah, I already got it.

1:12:53Shannon Sharpe:I already got it. Hey, hey. But that's the thing. People try to tell you you weren't good. that's never accomplished anything. They tell you what you couldn't do when they never could. Those that can do, those that can't, talk about those that could.

1:13:10Chad Johnson:Hello, hello, hello. Please, man, please. Hey, I'm gonna pass the plate around, I'll put my little change in there. What you call it? I told him, man, pass the plate around. Yeah, I'm gonna put some money in there.

1:13:28Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, yeah. It's just, man, the question is, what are you doing this for? Why are you doing it? Why are you doing it? And I'm glad I didn't play in the social media era. I know what I was there for. I had a bigger purpose. Yeah, the Pro Bowls, I felt that if I could make a Pro Bowl, I felt if I could play three or four years, I could say I played in the NFL. Well, if I made a Pro Bowl, okay, I went to the Pro Bowl. That means I was pretty good at least for a year.

1:14:02Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:14:04Shannon Sharpe:But after you get in there and you play, you start to reshift your focus. Like, okay, Pro Bowl, multiple Pro Bowls, because anybody can do something once.

1:14:14Chad Johnson:Yeah. Okay, all pro, multiple.

1:14:17Shannon Sharpe:Anybody can do something once. Now, as a team, for me, I don't have a problem. Oh, he's selfish. I don't have a problem with a guy being selfish. If you want to be rookie of the year, go ahead. If you want to be defensive player of the year, you want to be an MVP, you want to be whatever you choose to be, as long as your goals don't exceed that of the team. If your goals supersede those of the team, we can't do it. I got a question. I like that you said that too, Unc. When an individual has goals, right, Unc? Yes. And you want to succeed at those goals, and whatever those goals may be, doesn't those goals actually help the team if it's you wanting to be the best at said position.

1:15:00Shannon Sharpe:Yes. But you're absolutely right, Ocho, because I know you're going to put the work in to achieve those goals. Yes, sir. But when you say, man, look here, I'd rather be to go to the Pro Bowl or be an All-Pro than go to the playoffs.

1:15:13Chad Johnson:Right.

1:15:14Shannon Sharpe:See, that's when I'm going to have the problem.

1:15:19That's when the issue will arise. Yeah. And Uncle Joe, you got to think about this too, especially when it comes to NFL players, most of the time, they understand that those numbers matter. Because when it's time to go to that table to get paid that first big deal, what are the GMs looking at?

1:15:36Chad Johnson:What are the GMs looking at? The only leverage the agents have to be able to use to go up there and fight for you is, well, this is what my client has done. The number's got to be right. And sometimes you've got to be a little selfish because I need those numbers to be able to get myself paid. If I got them, your agent ain't got a fighting chance to get you what you think you deserve. Hello. Because if you're all pro or you're a pro bowl, you're bringing that to the table. Now you're like, hold on, hold on. Yeah, back that truck up. It's an extra little money I'm supposed to come with that, ain't it?

1:16:08Chad Johnson:Yeah. It's an extra little money I'm supposed to come with that, ain't it, man? You know what the truck sound when it's in reverse, huh? What is it? Beep, beep. Yeah, I need all that.

1:16:21Shannon Sharpe:But here's the difference, Ocho. Wondell Robinson never make a Pro Bowl? Mm-mm. He ever going to be an All-Pro? Did he get paid? They going to pay you. Now, maybe your team won't pay you. Right. But your team ain't the only one that got money.

1:16:36Chad Johnson:Hello.

1:16:37Shannon Sharpe:See, a lot of times players think their team the only one that got money. And look, we feel loyalty to the team that drafted us, that gave us the chance. Yeah, yeah. We feel a little something like, damn. because I hated to leave Denver.

1:16:50Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:16:52Shannon Sharpe:But why would I take two and a half, three million dollars less to stay in Denver when I'm like, I'm begging you to keep me.

1:17:00Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:17:02Shannon Sharpe:I'm begging you to keep me. Basically, I'm basically saying, yeah, baby, go out there and cheat on me. I'll be right here when you get back.

1:17:10Chad Johnson:Yeah. As a matter of fact,

1:17:12Shannon Sharpe:hey, I'll hold your legs open for it. No, hell no. Hell to the dog. Hey, hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. I ain't that big a damn fool.

1:17:27Chad Johnson:Hey. Hey, hey. All these other cities got banks too. Yeah. Look, look. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Ocho, after my duration and playing with the Miami Heat, me and D-Wade, we both were free agents at the same time. Now, y 'all already know Pat Riley giving D-Wade hell about coming back to Miami. I mean, I think D-Wade, I think all D-Wade wanted was like 10 or 12 million to come back. Right. I ain't even negotiating with Pat Riley. I said, Utah asked me. They say, well, yeah, we got this on the table for, you know, two years for 24 M's. Yeah. Hell, they got banks in Utah, don't they? Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:18:08Chad Johnson:I'm going to put a park city, hang out with the Mormons. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to do something special. Yeah. Yo, it's kind of cold up there, ain't it, Joe? man hell yeah but it's nice too i'll buy overcoat once i get there yeah hello i got what i buy

1:18:20Shannon Sharpe:overcoat or we're hey joe what they call me to south we call them windbreakers i get me a wind

1:18:25Chad Johnson:breaker hey hey hey oh one percent blacks in utah yeah one percent well guess what they about to add one more hello i'm coming hey joe hey joe i know i know you were still playing around I don't mean to be in your personal business, but what it was like playing in the snow. Oh, what it was like? Yeah. Oh, man. I'm talking about...

1:18:53Chad Johnson:So, Ocho. Yeah. Some times was had. You hear me? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I picked up, even though I wasn't supposed to be, but me and my son, we used to go snowboarding all the time. Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, we used to snowboard all the time, Uncle Ocho. I'm cold and snowboarding, for real. But, yeah, we used to go snowboarding a lot. I enjoyed Park City. Park City was about 25 to 27 minutes from Salt Lake. You know what I mean? Typically, guys don't stay up there. But, yeah, I enjoyed my little time in Utah. We had a ball. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, I don't think Joe knew what I was talking about.

1:19:31Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:19:31Shannon Sharpe:He knows exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah.

1:19:35Chad Johnson:I answered it and then I moved on real quick. Yeah, so you need to start being able to catch on a lot faster than what you're catching on too.

1:19:45Shannon Sharpe:When you in that area of the country. Yes, sir. Look, if I'm in Alaska and I gotta eat, I'ma eat caribou, I'ma have to trap a beaver, I'ma have whatever after there, then you wouldn't have. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm catching, I ain't catching no bluegill. I'm catching salmon. Yeah. I'm catching lake trout. That's what I gotta eat. Yeah. That's what they got out there. Yeah. That was them. Hey. Yeah, man. Hey. Hey, Joe, you pulled a slick one on me right there, boy. No, I'm just saying, old Joe.

1:20:19Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, hey. That was nice, Joe. That was nice. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Real talk, people sleep on Utah. Utah ain't bad, boy. Yeah, yeah, I ain't never been to Utah, Joe.

1:20:29Shannon Sharpe:Oh, you tripping. You tripping. Yeah, we got to go. We got to go to Park. I heard Park City really nice, though. Oh. No, no, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Let's stay in line. Let's stay in order now. We get to Park City. Can we get Atlanta and Houston first, please? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Can we hit Houston first?

1:20:44Chad Johnson:Here he go. Here he go. This is what I'm talking about. Listen. I thought we was hitting Houston, Joe. What happened? You are all I can scared. Man, I don't know what's going on with y 'all. Somebody that scared y 'all in Houston. Who scared y 'all? I'm waiting on you. I'm not going to Houston unless I'm with y 'all. That's what I'm trying to say. Oh, for sure. Yeah, I'm not going without y 'all.

1:21:02Shannon Sharpe:I need to have a bottle slider for Laporte for me to go.

1:21:06Chad Johnson:OK, let me go. Let me know when I will Houston may y 'all y 'all book all down there man Yeah, we're there look what day hey, what was it?

1:21:15Shannon Sharpe:Yeah? They got a they got an army base or Nate or Air Force base of Houston What what what the base is used to Jordan? What's the base of Houston? I don't think I went to San Antonio

1:21:27Chad Johnson:Hey and tell them I come put them through some yoga poses and all that they want to do our we stretch it out

1:21:32Shannon Sharpe:They got what basis they got in Houston Fort Hood is Houston, ain't it? Where Fort Hood at? Like DJ Khaled, I'm so hood. I wear my pants below my waist. I'm straight out the hood.

1:21:51Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Fort Hood's in Dallas? Nah, okay. Okay. We'll do that. Dallas is cherry on top. We need to go to the, you know, to the foundation. Check this out, guys. The lowest finals points per game average for a reigning sixth man of the year. Keldon Johnson averaged 16.5 points in the regular season. He averaged 4.4. Aaron McKee averaged 8 points in 2001. And Big Bill Walton averaged 8 points in 1986.

1:22:23Chad Johnson:He was nonexistent in this series. Okay, old Joe. I'm talking about – I'm not going to lie to y 'all. I'm watching. So I'm like, I mean, his minutes, none of his minutes look good. It's like. No. They were just bad, bro. I mean, I know he made a shot or two tonight, but for the most part, I mean, damn, it's unfortunate, bro. It's just like, you know what it looks like to me, Joe? That, like, when he gets in the game, I'm trying to prove something. Yeah.

1:22:57Shannon Sharpe:And same thing with Carter Bryant. I think Carter Bryant's going to be a phenomenal young player. But, bro, you ain't got to go one-on-one every time you see a one-on-one situation.

1:23:07Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:23:08Shannon Sharpe:Trying to get that ball in that bucket, huh?

1:23:10Chad Johnson:Trying to. Honestly, I feel like when they come in, they play so hard and rambunctious that they're trying to be the difference maker. Yeah. They don't even need all that. You just need to control pace, bro. Just get great minutes. You know what I mean? but you get them trying to do too much, trying to get to the basket, turnover, lead to a bucket. You know what I mean? Next thing you know, hell, you got Luke Cornette in there with him too. Hell, they just - And that's the problem.

1:23:41I mean -

1:23:42Shannon Sharpe:You might need to have like Kelton Johnson and Carter Bryant play with Wimmy instead of Cornette. I can't have three of y 'all on the damn court at one time. I already know how that's going to end up. That's going to end up in some bull jive. damn yeah it's just like it's a different you know what and this is another reason why I couldn't coach I understand it's different now Ocho it's just different the players are different the money is different what it gets a player excited the great players the really great players they're still the same they're still the same but now that player that you know what I can be really good if I did this or nah I'm still gonna make good money let me try to build my brand let me do some other stuff winning is the easiest way to build your brand if Michael Jordan didn't win he wasn't gonna build no brand if Kobe didn't win he wasn't building no brand Steph Curry, Braun whoever built the brand Tom Brady, Peyton Manning whatever look at what loser got a brand however you want to look at it

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