Nightcap Hour 1: Patrick Mahomes COOKS the Commanders + Vikings MAKE MISTAKE moving on from Sam Darnold + Kevin Stefanski NOT FOCUSED on Shedeur + Jerry Jones MISSES Micah Parsons

21:23The receivers are playing bad. In the first two weeks, they started 0-2, which they haven't done before, to now looking like the Kansas City Chiefs of old. And it was only a matter of time. It was only a matter of time of players getting back healthy. Rasheed Rice coming off the suspension. Hollywood Brown being in. Travis Kelsey actually getting back to form. and then get with them with, hey, now they're hitting on all cylinders. And we still haven't even seen probably the best Kansas City Chiefs team we can see just yet.

21:53Shannon Sharpe:I'm just trying to figure out what happened to Taequann Thornton. How does a guy be that involved? And I understand Rasheed Rice coming back. I get that, Ocho. But when a guy puts up that kind of numbers, you've got to find a way to get him on the field. They got so many options. man look it's hard for you to convince me that hollywood brown is better than tyquan thornton based on what we've seen this year yeah i'm not saying what he was when he was in baltimore or what the year that he had in arizona i'm talking about right now based on what you saw hollywood hollywood brown was in there and tyquan thornton was in there when rasheed rice wasn't twike tyquan tyquan thornton was their best receiver yeah he was making some plays he was makes them catchers, you know, especially deep balls.

22:40Yes. It was needed and it mattered most. And I knew they were going to play like this. I understood that. That's why when we had them on the show and I said, listen, once that door opens for you, make sure you put your foot in there, cross it and close the door behind you. Because this is the type of game that they play when it comes to business. When it comes to those that have already been paid, those who are making top dollar, they're going to see the field first.

23:02Shannon Sharpe:I get that with Rasheed Rice I get that with Rasheed Rice because he is their best receiver Ocho we saw the maturation when he came in as a rookie and he got better and better and better and better and as the year he was clear cut he was the number one receiver obviously had some issues I think he got nicked and he got that situation got himself off field got that behind him got that issue resolved but I just I'm looking like damn you mean to tell me this man can't get on the field and get 10 plays, he can't get one target, he can't get two targets now, Ocho, after doing what he's done in the absence of Rasheed Rice?

23:39Shannon Sharpe:Look, we're not trying to start no conflict, but I think everybody in Kansas City, and I think people that watch the game, follow the game, study the game, you're like, hold on, how does a man go from playing that well to not even getting in the game, barely getting in the game, not getting any targets? In a sense, I'm not even upset. In a sense, I'm not even upset because I understand the doors with the way he played when everyone else was out, when Hollywood Brad wasn't there, when... Hollywood was there! No, no, no, when he wasn't there. Hollywood wasn't there yet. He was hurt. Where was he at?

24:13Not this year. Wasn't he hurt early on when Taekwon kept making all those plays? Hollywood was in there. It was Hollywood,

24:23Shannon Sharpe:Xavier Worthy, and Taekwon. Nah, somebody was missing. Somebody was missing from the equation. Rasheed Rice was missing. Okay. Either way, either way, Taekwon Thornton was arguably easily, based on what we were seeing. Yes! That's all I'm seeing. But this is the only thing, this is the thing I like, is you've already put it on film now. You've already put it on film, which you can't do, when you're actually put in a position to make those plays. So, that door and the opportunity to play somewhere else where they will probably use him and his skill set that he does have with that kind of speed, it's going to pay off.

24:58It's not going to pay off where he is now because obviously they don't appreciate what he was able to do because you have too many other options.

25:07Shannon Sharpe:You got too many other options. Maybe it's a situation, Ocho. Maybe he's Nick. Maybe there's something going on that you and I don't know about. Ain't nothing wrong with him. Ain't nothing wrong with him. Ocho is trying to throw scenarios out there, bro. Damn. You know the game them folks play. You know the game they play. Hold on. Hey, I'm sitting there I gotta grab a chair. I'm sitting here on my suitcase. Hey, look what I'm sitting on. You heard me look. Yeah. Lord, have mercy. It hurt my butt.

25:41Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, see? Yeah, Xavier... Think about it, Ocho. Xavier Worthy was injured, and now Hollywood was there. Okay, that's what I meant. I knew it was one of them. I knew it was one of them. I just... Yeah, it was Xavier. but Taekwondo and maybe it's a situation Ocho where T plays the same position as worthy Hollywood plays a different position because you know you got two speed guys so maybe that's the situation but I was trying to figure out like well damn how he go from being so productive to damn near he damn near inactive yeah yeah that's that's crazy now i've seen it so many times i've seen it so many times which is why i don't want to say the wrong thing um because they they are winning but when you have when you have a team like that where they can they can they can plug and play different players in different positions and because you have patchman homes it's going to always work regardless to who you put out there i mean it's hard to argue the fact on it's real hard to argue the fact and then juju is so versatile.

26:50Shannon Sharpe:Juju blocked. Juju make the tough catches over the middle. He understands. He doesn't miss hot reads. In that situation where they run the fake, I'm trying to figure out, I'm like, Noah, why would you run a seven route? Bro, you should try to score a touchdown. Don't run that in the angle. Get that up the field. I'm like, guys, y 'all, I don't get it. If I got the defense fool and the linebacker is trailing me from the inside. I'm not trying to get a 20-yard completion. I'm trying to get a 40-yard touchdown. And you see how Mahomes threw the ball. Mahomes threw him up the field because B-Wags was trailing on the inside.

27:32Shannon Sharpe:He was like, he wanted to catch it and get tackled out of bounds. No, bro, take that up the field. I don't know. Maybe it was set up like that. Maybe it was, A, to be a 20-yard completion and not a 40-yard touchdown. But that's like, you know, the way we ran around, like, look, if somebody's over the top, you flatten it off. If somebody's in the trail, you keep it high. Right. Yeah. Vikings quarterback Carson Wentz is set to undergo season-ending shoulder surgery on his non-throwing shoulder Ocho and will be placed on injury reserve. J.J. McCarthy began the season as the starter, but who has missed the last six games with a high ankle sprain.

28:13Shannon Sharpe:He's expected to play Sunday in Detroit. The only backup Minnesota roster is undrafted rookie Max Brosmer. JJ is not. Yeah, exactly. He was undrafted, so you know even less about him. JJ McCarthy has not only played two of 24 regular season games since he was drafted with the number 10 pick in the 2024 draft. Yeah. Ocho, how bad are the Vikings missing Sam Darnold? Listen, they're missing Sam Darnold very, very much so. Very much so. Listen, the way Sam Darnold played last year, I still, for the life of me, can't understand why you let him walk out that door. I just don't understand for the life of me and not knowing what you were getting with J.J.

28:56McCarthy. I understand he was a high-round pick. I know what he did at Michigan. I get that. But listen, there's no problem with him sitting behind and learning from Sam Darnold with the way he played last year. You don't let a quarterback, as hard as it is to come by quarterbacks, that you can find that can maximize everything you want to do offensively. He did everything well. He didn't look like the Sam Donald with the Jets. He didn't look like the Sam Donald in goddamn Carolina. But for some reason, everything in Minnesota, it looked good. He looked very good, similar to how Daniel Jones looked with the goddamn Indianapolis Colts, like a completely different person.

29:33Oh, yeah. A completely different person. and the same person is still carrying on right now in Seattle. He's still winning. Yes. And now you're struggling. Now you're having quarterback roles. He didn't know what to do. And I think they're not playing J.J. McCarthy on purpose. Ain't nothing. There can't be nothing wrong with him, huh?

29:50Shannon Sharpe:I mean, he was out a long time with a high ankle sprain. Normally, guys were getting back in three, high-end, four weeks. This would be six weeks that he's missed. I'm just saying. You're right. You know, Goodwill ain't nothing wrong with that ankle. Ain't nothing wrong with that ankle. You know that. Boy, J.J., hey, Justin Jefferson, boy, he going to cut up this week. You hear me? But let things don't go right. Let things don't go the way they should be. You know, they love calling players, divas and all this that are passionate and want to win. And understanding that in order for me to have success, in order for us to have team success, we got to have the most important position, have a good person, a good player with the ball.

30:30and we don't have that? Hey, them great players that we all love, they start to act up now. What? Are you laughing? I turned off news altogether. I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

30:46Shannon Sharpe:It's the rage bait. It feels like it's trying to divide people. We got clear facts. Maybe we can calm down a little. NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News, reporting for America.

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35:38They love the I'm not sure where that term Diva came from. I'm not sure. It came from y 'all misbehaving? Yeah. We don't misbehave. We're just passionate about the position that we do play. That's what y 'all call it? Yeah. We like to show a little enthusiasm. A little energy. When we do it, it's called divas. When they do it, it's called Passion. called passion yeah it's called yeah yeah yeah you know the word the definition change depending on the let me I'm not gonna go there

36:12Shannon Sharpe:it's been reported that went tore his labrum and dislocated his shoulder in week five and they still played let that sink in so he's got a torn labrum and his non-throwing shoulder and it's dislocated so you asking him to play through that you got a guy that you took with the number 10 pick last year that you were so set that he was going to be your guy that you let a guy walk out the door that had thrown like 30 plus high 30 touchdowns for you I think fewer than 15 interceptions if I'm not mistaken so you let that guy walk out the door but now you got a guy that's a journeyman he's turned into a journeyman yes he was the number two pick in the draft and yeah he had a nice two three year run and feeling them it all fell apart and he's bounced around ever since but so now he's a journeyman quarterback you're willing to keep a journeyman you're willing to ask a journeyman with a torn labrum and a dip what's being reported i don't know i'm just reading what's being reported you're asking a guy that's a journeyman quarterback that has a torn labrum and a dislocated non-throwing shoulder to go out there and gut it up instead of putting a guy out there that was a high draft pick that you believe so much in yeah a guy that you saw go through the totality of a season and play exceptionally well.

37:28Shannon Sharpe:You let him walk out the door.

37:34Hey, I know what Sam Donner looks like before he left. Might have left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. But the position he put you in in the regular season, to even be in contention, to be in the playoffs, it was phenomenal. It was a great run. It was the kind of run where you bring someone like that back who gives you a chance. He puts you in position. he allows you to maximize what you want to do offensively with his decision making and chemistry that he built with hogginson addison and justin jefferson you know you don't let that walk out the door because now you have a situation like you do now where we're saying god damn jay mccarthy has has been injured on the sideline with a high angle sprain for six weeks i know that's i know the devil is a lot somebody lying i don't know who it is because now you're not sure now Now you really don't want to put him out there based on what you saw already.

38:26When he was, when he had the opportunity to get out there, it didn't look like it should. It doesn't look like you guys made the right choice. So now you're relying on Carson Wentz to save the day. Yeah.

38:36Shannon Sharpe:Look, and he, look, Ocho, he's on in his second year, so he could get better. But I have my questions about him because they ran the ball way more at Michigan than they threw it. So I was always like, okay, what happens when they're going to require you to throw the ball? the days of you just being able to run the football you got to throw it in this league I don't care who you are they're going to come a time that you're going to have to and more times than not you're going to need to throw the football and so I was always a little leery on that part now I will say this I look I thought they could have kept Sam Darnold but I knew they wouldn't keep Sam Darnold for the simple fact of the money and and they tied up into J.J.

39:15Shannon Sharpe:McCarthy he was the number 10 pick in the draft, Ocho. But it wasn't a lot of money. Now, if Minnesota had backed the Brinks truck up and said, okay, we got 40, 45, 50 million, I get Minnesota. But this is a very digestible contract. This was almost like a Baker Mayfield contract. 30 million is the lower level of a starting quarterback. And so I was a little surprised that they didn't go to 30. that they didn't look at least for another year or two. Hell if, and I get it, this is not a very fair assessment, but Jordan Love rode the bench. Now he's backing up somebody much more substantial and proven, but he shot his ass on the bench.

39:59Shannon Sharpe:Aaron Rodgers shot the bench. So there's no harm in that. And look, if Sam Darnold doesn't make it this year, but Sam Darnold is not old, Sam Darnold is 26. So if he continues to play well, hell i move on from jj mccarthy yeah i pass i ship his ass out yeah but jj mccarthy is what how much younger is uh jj mccarthy than uh uh sam donald uh ash because i think sam donald is 26 years of age so it's not like he's 30 32 and plus you're dealing with a quarterback so they they you know they like dog years that 20 that 20 that 26 is really like 14 oh yeah so it's not like other positions. How old is J.J.

40:44Shannon Sharpe:McCarthy and how old is Sam Darnold?

40:54Shannon Sharpe:Okay, Sam Darnold is 28, J.J. McCarthy is 22. Only 22? 22, yeah. Listen, I'm not a GM. I'm not an owner, but I understand. I know who gives us our best chance to win, and I'm not gambling. Regardless of him being the number 10 pick, there's no problem with him sitting he has a he has a team-friendly contract even being a number six i'm bringing donald back and giving him that lower tier no disrespect i'm speaking in football terms of quarterback money to see what he can do for us the next two or three years at least the next two before i have to because i really don't have to make a decision on sam uh on jj mccarthy until you're year four going into year five i got to make a decision yeah so i don't have to do a deal with him.

41:42Shannon Sharpe:I mean, obviously, guys that are playing get deals done after their third year if they're that guy. So I get that. But theoretically, I can go into year four. Says, okay, I've gotten two years of Sam Darnold. I think we've maxed him out. Okay, JJ, I'm going to give you a year to prove it. And then with A. But I'm not in a situation. But I think the thing is, Ocho, going into that year four, now I've got to pick up his fifth year option yeah hey and one thing about it too you know what i don't like you know i think it's the perfect situation for him you played at michigan so you used to be in that type of environment obviously you come from a school where you ran the ball you know a high percentage of the time but your quarterback your quarterback you're in the nfl now and if you can't throw the ball to jordan addison hoggerson and justin jefferson you don't belong you don't know you just don't oh yeah there's what you just don't belong because that's one of the better receiving cores in the NFL and even if even if you can't bring yourself to their level of play they're so good they can hide whatever weaknesses you do have as a quarterback and the fact that he can't play going into week six and we talk about it's still an ankle sprain something ain't right and it damn sure no high ankle sprain that's not it I mean we know that and I'm not sure what they're trying to hide but whatever weaknesses that he may have as a quarterback they have to find a way to hide it because you have the players around them that can hide it you have the players around them can hide it well i think the thing is ocho you can only hide it for so long it's like an easter egg they might not find it but somebody's gonna find them eggs so whatever your weakness is as a quarterback ocho we gonna find it sooner or later because as long as you continue to play we gonna find out where you're weak at that's just that's just That's just how it is.

43:33Shannon Sharpe:And so I agree with you. I just knew based on the NFL, the number 10 pick, they really like this guy.

43:51Shannon Sharpe:And also, I don't know if it's true. It's like reports that he wanted to be guaranteed a starting job. Seattle guaranteed him a starting job. Okay. You're talking about Sam Darnold. Okay, okay, okay. And so under those circumstances, but it's hard for me to believe, Ocho, somebody going to pay you$30 million and you don't start. Yeah. There aren't very many places that he could have gone to after he left Minnesota where they weren't going to guarantee him the starting job. It wasn't anybody there. You're going to have to look over your shoulder and understand, okay, the pressure's on me. if I don't play well, they're probably going to put this guy in.

44:32You're in a great spot. I think Minnesota would have been a great spot for him to come back. I'm not sure what management was thinking. There's a reason why I'm not a GM. There's a reason why I'm not an owner because that's the choice and decision I would have made. And now he's in Seattle and he's flourishing. He is flourishing. The JSN are having a effing ball. Yeah.

44:54Shannon Sharpe:And I think, Ocho, when they moved on from Geno, now you look at a situation they moved on from DK they moved on from Lockett it seems like Lockett went to Tennessee now he's going to be reunited with Pete Carroll and Geno in Las Vegas

45:14Shannon Sharpe:maybe a lot of people are like man what do they have they got Jackson Smith and Jigba they got JSN and he is phenomenal and listen what we can do as well because he's not too far removed from winning the Triple Crown I love Cooper Cup. He might not be the Cooper Cup of old. Yeah. Cooper Cup at He can still make plays. He can still make plays. He can still he's still one of the better route runners, one of the better creatives of what I like to say artistry when it comes to running routes. Yeah. He's still one of those despite what people may think. He just not he's not going to be used like that.

45:51Shannon Sharpe:That's not Sean McVay system. Sean McVay. If you look at the way Sean McVay use Cooper Cup, you look at the way Sean McVay use Puka Nakua. That's not what he is. They're not going to use him like that because first, he's not the number one. That's JSN. So now the JSN, he's going to get the favorable. He's going to get the favorable play calls. He's going to be the first target. But if you go back and look at it, Ocho, I think Cooper Cup only had one 1 ,000-yard receiving season. That was the Triple Crown season. That's funny how that works, right? That's funny. And I saw that before with understanding with them.

46:26He won the Triple Crown. And I remember going back and looking at some of his numbers. Me and T.J. Housh Mazzotta were talking about it at one point. And he told me, well, go look at all the stats from before that. And it's unbelievable with the right system, with the right coach, and putting you in the right position to make certain plays. They can manipulate the offense to where you can succeed no matter what. No matter what. They can do it. And obviously when it was time to work and wiggle him out that system, here comes Pugan Okua.

46:55Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. you draft players you draft players you need smart players those guys on the bigger side they're not your typical slot you look at puka you look at cooper cup they're not these they're not the julian edelman they're not the west welkers they're not your typical slot receivers they're on the business on the bigger side which means they they're gonna have to be able to take more punishment because when you catch that many balls ocho you got to get a damn ass load of targets because cooper cup called 140 something balls that means he's 190 200 targets 1900 and what 1930 yard receiving yards he was well over 2000 he was probably that he was damn near 200 catches on the season when you tally up what he did in the postseason right and you look at the yardage he was what he was like i think he was like 23 2400 receiving yards and you look at what he did in the playoff games so he probably had another 30 another 30 plus catches so you figure tackled another 30 35 catches with with another 45 50 targets now you see hell he might have had 230 250 targets and caught 190 of them when i think about it like that as dynamic as dynamic of a playmaker as he was i would always i always sit back and hypothetically think damn i wonder what my numbers would look like in that situation being that you But we're – That's a lot of punishment, Ocho.

48:25Huh? That's a lot of punishment. Hey, I could take punishment. You know, I ain't got no problem going across that middle and doing some of the things that really made me uncomfortable. I can sit in and tell you that. I mean, I wasn't comfortable, you know, sitting there running screens. I don't like that. I like to be having a somewhat of a –

48:42Shannon Sharpe:No, you're not going to catch that many balls getting pushed down the field, Ocho. They can't throw that many balls pushing you out of the field. Not no hundred and – you know, he caught 140-something balls. So think about how many screens, bubble screens, that he actually caught. I don't like those. How many little smoke routes? Yeah, I don't like those. I'm going to be honest with you. It gives me a certain level of uncertainty, a certain level of uncomfortability with me not being able to have my eyes on what's in front of me and me having to focus on the ball. Now, having to run a route and understanding, being able to read defenses and knowing where everybody's going to be and what their job is and knowing when I can get out of breaks, I can protect myself.

49:23I know what's coming. I know where you're coming from. I know where the pursuit is coming from. But having to turn real quick and everybody got eyes on me like I'm a damn pump return, that makes me uncomfortable.

49:34Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, it is. Yeah, I don't like that. The Browns benched Joe Flacco after a 1-3 stint as a starter. Rookie Dylan Gabriel is 1-3. Many in Cleveland are wondering if Shadour Sanders now deserves his own shot. Well, today Kevin Stefanski was asked by Mary Kay Cabot whether he's considering the possibility of playing Shadour. His response, the focus is where we are right now, Mary Kay. That's not my focus. Guys, can we stop asking these questions? Y 'all know this man don't want to play Shadour. You know that. People, we know that. And people, I see people, you know, in the chat, not in the chat, but just in general, when we talk about the Cleveland Browns, they talk about, oh, it's, it's, damn, what's the word?

50:16when they don't like someone and they doing them wrong. I forgot the word to use. But listen, we already know what the play was. We already know what the play was. They didn't want him. It was Drew Barry. No, Andrew Barry. Andrew. It was Andrew Barry's pick. It wasn't the owner. It wasn't Stefanski. So this is exactly what they want. This is exactly what they want. It seemed as if someone forced their hand to take this pick and they don't want to give them an opportunity to play the game. from the small sample size that we've seen from Dylan Gabriel. He has now played four games. They're one and three.

50:51He won't push the ball down the field.

50:53Shannon Sharpe:It's hard when you can't run the ball, and all you do is that you short fish. Because the big fish don't swim close along the shore. They're out in the deep. And so to get points, you've got to push the ball down the field at some point. Yeah, well, maybe he's not that comfortable doing just that yet because we saw him push the ball down the field in the goddamn preseason. We saw him push the ball down the field. I saw him throw short balls. I saw him throw Edie Meadett. I saw him throw dig routes. I didn't really see him throwing anything deep. But I think there's a certain level of uncomfortability that they don't have because offensively they're not calling plays for him to push the ball down the field because obviously maybe that's not what he's good at.

51:37That's the only thing I think of. But if he was good at doing it, you would call the plays that call for him to do just that. what we're asking of in order for you to win games. He's not giving the Browns their best chance to win games. And the fact that Kevin Stefanski understands that my job is on the line because this is the guy I stood up on the table for and who I wanted to make the star of our team, at some point you're going to lose the locker room too, huh? Yeah. And you're going to lose the locker room. It just takes the right person to say something. Denzel Ward, Miles Garrett, your captains, they'd be like, listen, we need to do something.

52:13I mean, to see Myles Garrett frustrated like that, the way he was, understanding that offensively we're not getting it done, knowing the change needs to be made. I mean, but I think that's a heel that Kevin Stafek is willing to die on because this is my guy. And he knows, I mean, his job ain't in jeopardy. He's not in the hot seat. He's not in the hot seat. You don't think so? No, hell no. Absolutely not.

52:40Shannon Sharpe:Joe Flacco training camp completion percentage was 58.7 in his first, in his fourth start he was at 69 % then he went to 56%, 58, and his last game as a starter he was 47%. Somebody in the chat funny as hell. Yeah, Dillian Gabriel did throw it down the field, but it got intercepted. Look, man, look I'm just tired of like, man, push your door They don't seem as interested in putting Chidori in as we're interested in seeing him. And who knows what would happen if he got in there. But I think we want to see what would happen. Yeah. Yeah. My thing is, well, he didn't play. He wasn't even the number two.

53:25Shannon Sharpe:Bailey Zaffrey was the number two on Sunday. So he had to deal with a back injury. Well, how you hurt him? Well, he just stayed on the sideline so I could get why his back was tight. Hold on. He had a back surgery, but he was out there throwing balls in pregame. I'm just saying that's what they say. You know there ain't nothing wrong with him. The same way there ain't nothing wrong with J.J. McCarthy. There's nothing wrong with him. This is just a game that they do play. If you understand the game and understand what they will do and what they will report, knowing that there's nothing wrong with you, the cover there, you know what, and get us on the outside to shut up.

53:59But listen, I played the game. I understand some of the things that you will do when you don't really want a person to actually be in the game and contribute. You don't want to look wrong. You don't want to be wrong in the decisions that you've made. Of course, you're not going to play him because, you know, he probably will go in there and succeed. Jador Sanders works and operates very well in a chaotic environment. And that's the environment that has been created for him because of who he is. And obviously also because that's that's they didn't want him. But he will operate very well in this type of environment and they don't want that to happen.

54:36so what do we do we say he's hurt his back is messed up you tell you tell the reporters campus defense he says hey don't ask me the focus the focus is what it is right now is dylan gabriel and doing everything we can to make sure he improves week to week but the clock is ticking because the next thing that's gonna happen it ain't gonna be the reporter saying something and asking questions it's gonna be the own players in your locker room

55:04Shannon Sharpe:dylan gabriel uh his training camp completion percentage was 55 percent and his four starts he was at 58 56 72 60 yeah so it looks like he's right about where he was in training camp yeah and because they're they don't have the best playmakers they don't have they don't have the Detroit skill position players they don't have Green Bay skill position players they don't have uh uh sensis they don't have a CD and pick that's not what they have so when you don't have that level of talent on the outside and you have a marginal quarterback what do you think you're going to get listen you know what then the onus the onus at that point is on the officer coordinator who's calling the plays okay well listen i understand i have a quarterback right here in dylan gabriel there are certain weaknesses that he does have i have in juku tillman jerry judy yeah i know what they can do i know what they can do i know what their strengths are how can i put them in the positions creatively creativity in a creative way creatively yeah creatively what the what's wrong with me i'm talking too damn fast creatively to hide some of the things and the flaws that dylan gabriel is not good at so now you you can't make him taller so you can't you can't make him grow four inches so you can't do anything about that you can't make him have a stronger arm you can't do anything about that no your offensive line is not the best there's not anything you can do about that because you have what you have so i don't really know where you i don't know how much better it can get for the browns based on what you have currently yeah i i listen i don't know i'm i'm all i'm i'm all out of suggestions i mean everyone else has suggested you know do this do that uh what everybody wanted they got you got what you wanted you got your quarterback you got joe flacco gone now having success you know in the air throwing two two of the greatest the the greatest duo in the NFL.

57:21Now Dylan Gabriel's your quarterback. But you're still in the same place.

57:25Shannon Sharpe:You're still in the same position. You think your duo better than Dallas' duo? Come again ask me that one more time. Wait, wait, wait. Before you ask me, think about what you ask me, then ask me again. I will ask you do you believe that your duo is better than Dallas' duo? Well, not only do I believe that our duo is better than Dallas' duo, but it's we're we are better. We are better as a whole. And this is no disrespect to CDN Pick, but they're right below us. And it's close too, huh? You hear me? Yeah, right is close. Stay with me, Matt. It's close. But because of Jamar Chase, it edges us out.

58:11Okay. And T is very good. You know, George Pickett can do what T Higgins does.

58:15Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I think you do a little better. Yeah, I mean, I think so bad. They about equivalent. He can go up and get it. Ticket running routes, them 50-50 balls turn 80-20 when it's them two. The thing I like about Pick is Pick is angry. He get his hands on the ball. He's like, you got to tackle me. I ain't going down. I ain't running out of bounds. You going to have to tackle me. Yeah. I love that. I love the focus that I've seen from him since he's arrived in Dallas. I love that. I love that. I told you. It was a simple conversation. Shadour has been liking IG posts today that are calling for him to start for the Browns after the bye week.

59:03Shannon Sharpe:We'll see. Whatever you got to do. Whatever you got to do. And obviously, going into the bye week, this is the Browns bye week, right? Yes. They definitely not going to name the start during the bye week. but we're going to see what happens. We're going to give Dylan Gabriel another week to get better to improve himself based on what he's done so far with the four stars he's had I wonder who they got coming out of Dubai That's who they have coming out of Dubai Oh man My thing is Ocho is that

59:40Shannon Sharpe:No you don't have to do anything It's just like who? they got the jets coming out of the bar shoot ain't no telling that's as good as any time to let your door start what in the jets yeah I think Dylan Gabriel will be the start against the jets ain't no telling jets might come out there and molly walk there you know what oh they already beat y 'all so they got confidence don't do that let's not bring up the pass let's not bring up the pass let's look forward because in the bible it said do not look that behind you therefore so you can see where you go with I don't know your eyes close the way to beat y 'all up

1:00:25Shannon Sharpe:you know look there's only so much because I think the thing is I think for the most part he's done he said all the right things I'm gonna support Dylan you know hey he you know we're in that room I think everybody when Joe is in the room I think Shadour is saying all the right things. I think he's been coached up. I think he's been groomed to play that position to say all the right things because you are corporate when you're in that position. But I think deep down he believes he's better than Dylan Gabriel. You know he believe that. Every player that has competition at a specific position believes they're better than the person that's in front of.

1:01:01Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. And unfortunately, y 'all won't, he said, unfortunately, y 'all won't give me an opportunity to show you that I'm better. I mean, look, there's only one way to prove it. Let him go out there and give him four stars, and let's see. I think the thing is, Ocho, I think they're going to let this thing with Dylan Gabriel go a little longer for the simple fact you don't want to play. You've already moved on from Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco got four stars. Are we really trying to give Dylan Gabriel four stars? Okay, give Shadour four stars. If it don't work out with Shadour, go back to Dylan Gabriel.

1:01:32Shannon Sharpe:If it don't work out with Dylan Gabriel, go back to Shadour. I don't know if that's where you want to be at, Ocho. I don't. I don't think that's where you want to be. listen listen to fancy is in a tough position now he's in a tough position they damn if you do damn if you don't yeah basically that that's exactly what it is but i think it's okay for them to to have a quarterback carousel and being able to make those changes those changes when necessary because you need to find out what you need to do for the foreseeable future if they're probably going to go back into they're probably going to go back in the draft and get a quarterback But I mean, looking at the quarterbacks, I'm looking around college right now.

1:02:11Shannon Sharpe:I don't see anybody. I don't see anybody that's blowing my socks off. Like, oh, I got to get them. I gots to have him. I'm glad you just said that because obviously everything at the quarterback level, there's been some great quarterback play in college football, but there's nothing that's going to come to the Cleveland Browns and be like, oh, shoot, we found the one. There's nobody. Cleveland's more than a player away, don't you? That's the problem. They're more than a player away. Wait a minute. But they're more than a player away. but if they get the right quarterback which is the problem for the past now 36 years then you're a little closer to where you want to get to but you can't even get past step one no you had the quarterback you just needed to get some pieces around Baker and let him heal but you know the damage was done you know I guess conversation you know he felt like they wanted him to be something that he wasn't they wanted him to be more buttoned up more structured and he's a guy that he wants to dance he he cool with the locker room the guys like him and so that wasn't their cup of tea well if the guy's gonna win damn your cup of tea i'm trying to win yeah hey that's all that matters at the end of the day especially for quarterbacks is based on wins wins and losses Yes.

1:03:32Shannon Sharpe:So we'll see how this thing plays out. I think, you know, Cleveland goes quiet for a minute. There is no games. There's nothing to report. I don't know how much they're going to. Oh, they get the whole week off of the bye week. They gone. What you mean gone? They practicing. They ain't practicing. You got to get the week off. Wait, they change the rules or something? Yeah. Yeah. Ash, look up and see. I think that's a rule. You get the whole week off. Oh, man. I ain't never see. Man, what? No, hell no. We got Thursday. Man, we got Friday. Normally, we got Friday, Saturday, Sunday off. We had a half-day Thursday.

1:04:08Shannon Sharpe:If everything went good, you know, we got a half-day Thursday. But I hope – now, we got a week in Baltimore. But Mike Shanahan wasn't playing that. I don't know. I was like, damn. I was like, man, they – man, such a subhead. Yeah, we got – we getting the whole week off. I was like, well, damn. We ain't getting no week off. They get the whole week off, yeah. That's crazy. So they got to do any work they want to do all by yourself. But obviously during the bye week, you want to get away from football. Yeah. You want to reset mentally. You want to reset mentally. Get yourself away from anything football related.

1:04:42Go home. You know, get in your game. I mean, just do whatever you need to do. Detach from the game of football in your bye week. That's the point of it. And when you do come back, you'll be ready to hit it.

1:04:53Shannon Sharpe:You'll be ready to hit it. All I know is I heal a lot of my own injuries. you're not going to keep me here on the bye week because I got something I'm Nick you good yep they sell ice at the convenience store your ice don't have medicine it only is you got that rabbit turd ice I got to get that cubed ice it's all the same yeah it all does the same at the end of the day Aaron Glenn declines to name Justin Fields quarterback one after the Jets bye week despite his first win of 2025 Glenn said this is the bye week And we're going to focus on us I have time to make that decision Yeah Yeah Listen And obviously you have time to make that decision Also Aaron Glenn understands that he was Playing against the Bengal defense He also understands he was playing against The Bengal defense which really hasn't been Good you know all year long Ever Don't do that But I mean he understands that.

1:05:56The year y 'all went to the Super Bowl, y 'all was good. Oh, yeah. Hey, hold on. The year we went to the Super Bowl, we was the middle of the pack. That was good. We was middle of the pack, and that's all I'm asking for. Ta-da. So where are you now? I don't know what number we at. What number do you think we at?

1:06:16Shannon Sharpe:Lord and Whale Poop.

1:06:20Shannon Sharpe:Hey, man. Unc, it's bad. I don't know if you guys are worse than Dallas, but you're close. You think so? Y 'all fighting it out. I want to ask, Ash, who defense is worse? Is it us or Dallas?

1:06:37Shannon Sharpe:I mean, both of y 'all in the ugly contest. Hey, we both in the ugly contest? Yes. Hey, we might not be the ugliest, though. You know what? We're ugly, but we're not the ugliest. We're going to have two winners.

1:06:56see I told you wait we did like we 30 we 30 second in defense yeah yeah yeah god damn

1:07:09I don't I don't I don't like that I don't I don't like that I don't like that at all like now you see why Aaron Glenn doesn't want to make a decision on who he wants to start because you went and you won a game against the 32nd best defense. Look at me, 32nd best defense in NFL, and you win. So that really gives me no gauge on how well you can do when you play against a competent defense because it's going to be a different ball game if you're playing somebody else. Damn, man, 32? Yeah. Shit. Well, who know? But y 'all was – Ocho, this is where y 'all was last year.

1:07:50Shannon Sharpe:Why are you surprised? So tell me the addition that you guys got. Because your guy last year, he had 17 and a half sacks. He led the league in sacks. You were dead last. You don't have anybody even close to that this year. So where do you expect to be? You expect to move up? How? Well, I'm just thinking about some of the moves we made. In the draft, Demetrius Knight, phenomenal player. I mean, he's made a huge impact. Okay, y 'all can – You told me that, and then Bryce Hall – Brees Hall would just go out there and have a day for days. Yeah, he did. He did. But listen, I mean, 44 can't be everywhere now.

1:08:27He's only one man. He can only do so much. We need everybody to come to the party. That's the problem. I don't think everybody had a ticket to the party. They did. If you had to have a ticket to the party, I think that's the problem.

1:08:38Shannon Sharpe:But ain't nobody brain nothing. Yeah. So, we had to escort him out. We had to let him go. Hey, man. Look, I think The second thing is, look, I'm going to say, if I'm Aaron Glenn, I'm going to say, AG, I'm celebrating this. I don't have to make a decision. First of all, ain't nobody in the building. All the guys, the guys are gone. Yeah. The guys are gone. So go somewhere warm. Go to Miami. Go to L.A. Go to Vegas. Go do something fun. I'm not even thinking. I can honestly say that on the bye week, I didn't even think about football. That was the last thing on my mind. That was the time for me to not even think about football, not think about nothing.

1:09:17Shannon Sharpe:go somewhere. But see, it was different for us, Ochoa. We only got two and a half effing days. We didn't have no week. Yeah, I think the most I probably had is maybe three, maybe four days. But them three or four days on, we talk about detaching, I talk about reset mentally, getting away from the game of football. I'm in Miami. Obviously, you know I don't club. I don't do none of that. I go home, man, hit that swimming pool. No, I didn't really get hurt. So, you know, I did think go bike riding back then. Back then I used to enjoy my little Huffy. Yeah. You know who the Huffy is? Yeah, I know who the Huffy is.

1:09:52Yeah, and I do an early morning bike ride to make sure I keep my conditioning going. And that's about it. And play video games. Yeah. But I didn't want to see a football. I didn't want to see a pigskin. I didn't want to hear anything. You know, you go home to your homeboys. They always want to talk about the season. I say, man, bro, look, I ain't trying to hear none of that. Don't ask me nothing about the season I ain't worried about who we playing I ain't trying to hit none of that But what we gonna do Let's hit South Beach Let's go to News Cafe and sit outside and people watch Let's go to You know

1:10:25Shannon Sharpe:Damn shh Man them days go by so damn fast You're like damn Did we even have them by a week I think they skipped some days Very fast I mean it's Monday Next thing you know it's Thursday I'm like man what happened to Tuesday and Wednesday And then if you Then if you nicked, because I remember my last year in Baltimore, we got the whole week off. I ended up getting my knees drained before I left and then had to get them drained when I got back. Wait a minute. Speaking of drains, speaking of knees drained, why when I played in the flag football game in London and I hit the turf, right? Why I got a burst of sack?

1:11:02Shannon Sharpe:Yep. On my left knee. My left knee nicked like I'm goddamn Professor Klum. And I refused to get it drained, and I don't know where to get a sleeve from. You know, you put a sleeve over there. Yeah, just get one of those one of those you go to the CVS and get one of those to pull up. Compression style. Compression, yeah. I got to get one on my left knee. I used to get it when I played, right? You know, you hit your elbow on the arm. Man, my elbow used to be so fat. I used to always wear a little wristband to cover it up. That's fun. I used to fly because I had I had swelling bad in my joints, my knees, my ankle.

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