Nightcap Hour 1: Seahawks STUN Rams in COMEBACK WIN + Franchise TAG for George Pickens? + Shannon WARNS Jaxson Dart of SHORT CAREER

21:59Shannon Sharpe:JSN had 15, 14, so he's over 1600. Right. So he's at, so he's at 16, 33. Woo. Hey. Hey, could you imagine every time I look at that offense, I look at the way they use JSN, I look at the way they use Puga Nakua, and I just imagine myself being in an offense like that with that type of creativity. that type of movement, you know, being in the slot. Lord Kyle Shanahan does with his receivers. Listen, I line up two places. I line my black ass up on the left. I line my black ass up on the right. And they say get open. That's it. You starting the team right now. You want Puka or JSN? Ooh, that's tough.

22:50That's tough. Ooh, that's tough. I mean, listen, there are other factors that come into that as well. Puka, JSN, what's the offense? Bury the offense at the end right now. Copenhagen's spit-free pouches are packed full of American-grown tobacco. Made for welders. Stuck behind masks. More mechanics stuck on a fused spark plug.

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26:22Plus taxes and fees. Fastest according to Uglo Speedtest Intelligence data, second half, 2025. All rights reserved. Guaranteed for monthly price of 5G internet data on eligible plans. Find exclusions and details at T-Mobile.com. Damn, you know what? I ain't got no coin to flip. That's a coin flip right there. I'm just being honest. And I would love to hear the chat's choice of who you would pick.

26:45Shannon Sharpe:No, they want you to pick. Me, and I love JSN, I'm taking Puka because I think he's a little bit more physical. I think he plays a little better through contact. Now, that's not – look, when you've got to make decisions. That's not JSN game, though. That's not JSN game. That's what I'm saying. He can. Right. Puka can get open, but his ability to play through contact, his ability to run after catch. Now, JSN is tremendous after catch. Now, JSN is a better rock runner. JSN looks like he's better technically but I cannot overlook the best for me Ocho I'm always going to take the good big man over the good little man okay that's fair listen I'm going to take JSN simply because of the artwork simply because of the artistry oh he's fluid stop and start being able to pick what they do with Puka I mean, they throw the smoke screen, bubble screen.

27:47Shannon Sharpe:They put him in motion. And the thing is that when you put him in motion, and plus another thing I like about him. You got to back off. You see how when they go to run the ball, you see who they insert to go up there and lead on getting the safety? Oh, yeah. And he digging shit out, huh? And he's a big boy. He's a big boy. But it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. I mean, both of those guys are putting up huge, huge, huge numbers. Yeah. Ocho, just moments ago, Puka tweeted, can you say I was wrong? Appreciate you, Stripe, for your contribution. LOL. I mean, think about it, Ocho. Now, he just said, I mean, he just did a gesture.

28:28Shannon Sharpe:I didn't see it. But I guess he was on Aiden Ross' live stream, and Aiden talked him into doing a gesture, and I guess it's deemed anti-Semitic. I didn't see it. So, Chad, I'm the last one to speak on it. But he apologized for that earlier today. You would think after having apologized for doing something that I don't believe he knew what it was. I don't. I don't. And I could be wrong. But I don't believe he knew the gesture that he was doing would be viewed as anti-Semitic or that's how the Jewish community, that's how they view the gesture. So I'm saying I don't believe he knew that. but to come out after the game and just say appreciate you stripes puka you don't get it bro

29:14wait go ahead who i mean the the reference in appreciate you stripes was that in reference to the refs

29:26Shannon Sharpe:oh okay i guess he said i guess he said he appreciate them for i guess call i don't know what it was but bro just let it pull yeah see i mean it's he i need better context and perspective i don't want to just jump to conclusion of what that actually meant i appreciate you strike for your contribution i get because he's like you know remember he said ocho these guys have regular jobs and they want to get on tv also so sometimes they throw flags hey look you can see me i'm on tv puka come on bro okay puka you're too good you don't have to do all that you don't okay you would have thought you would have thought after the gesture uh have they find did they find him oh this just happened yesterday okay hey hey and the funny thing about it too when you think about it i mean there were no flags that were thrown that that really um yeah there was really really no passing i mean you got the one on jsn which was really was a passing appearance you don't need to twist him you're there oh joe he's there yeah yeah yeah he played it you knew what it was running for the simple fact basically he walked off the line so you know either it's a double move which you got help over the top or it's the slant yeah you played it perfect there is no reason for you that means you're unsure you're not trusting what you saw on tape because if you're trusting what you saw on tape you wouldn't you wouldn't have felt the need to grab his waist because you're like, well, I got to do this just in case it's out and up.

30:55Shannon Sharpe:But you didn't have to, bro. You got it played perfect. Yeah. Look, if I could talk to Puka, I'd like Puka. You don't have to do this, bro. Just go play. Your game, speak loud. It speaks really, really loud, bro. You don't have to do this. Don't get to that. Look, because here's the thing. You know, these refs are human. Now, all of a sudden, now, you start getting held, and you don't get the call, and you wonder why. there's a human element people like well do you dispose that no you can't you that those refs are humans yeah some that's you understand why some nba players get calls and some don't sometimes some get teed up quick baseball you keep arguing okay that ball might be right down the plate.

31:45Shannon Sharpe:Ball. You look, bro. Just for me,

31:56Shannon Sharpe:just take it down a notch. Everybody knows who you are. You don't have to garner any more attention by saying outlandish things. I'm going to concede the fact, Ocho, that when he was on that stream, he did not realize what he was doing would be viewed as derogatory or whatever the case may be. I didn't see it chat but i'm saying i didn't see it because i didn't see it the mere fact that he apologized let me know that he somebody informed him that he had done something wrong or what he did with you as wrong go ahead hold on he's apologizing because they had to be backlash for whatever it was i mean no one apologizes unless there's backlash and and and you're informed from those around you you know those who are in position you know that help you in what you're doing hey listen this is something that you did on stream you know certain people aren't taking it well you need to come out and apologize so they write some up for you you know how they do it they write some up for you that's not in your words and and you post it and hit send yeah i like look i like i've been around him a little bit you know he was in uh i coached the all-star game uh in indy one year nba all-star game and i like puka i love his game i love his game i love the physicality in which he plays with.

33:14Shannon Sharpe:I don't know how long you can play that style, Ocho, when you get that many targets, and you think about all the bubble screens and all the stuff, the inserts that he runs. You see what happened. You actually think about Ocho. When you really go back and think about it, you know Cooper Cup only had one 1 ,000-yard season. It was that historic season. Let that sink in. Ocho, let that sink in. And after he had that season, what happened, Ocho? He broke down. So, he's catching a lot of stuff that's the physicality. Now, he's a little bigger than Cooper. But Cup ain't no small guy. People don't realize Cooper Cup like 6 '3".

33:52Shannon Sharpe:Man, Cooper Cup taller than this? See, I think people think they think slot, they think Julian Edelman, they think Amendola, they think Brandon Stokely, they think Wes Welker. No. The Ram slot receivers are big, big men. I mean 6 '2", 6 '3", 210, 215, 220. and you have to be that size because you're going to take a lot of collisions hold on let me see Puka has 16 targets he called 12 on for 225 so you know Ocho when you catch that many passes and the amount of passes that he catch behind the line of scrimmage so you know a lot of time D lineman hitting you from the back LB's hitting you from the side safety's coming downhill but look, I know everybody's going to say, man, that two-point conversion, that's why you play snap the whistle.

34:51Shannon Sharpe:That's why you, hey, it was like the Rams didn't realize it. They thought it was just tipped. It was incomplete. They didn't realize it was a backwards pass. Yeah, I didn't realize it was either. I didn't. Everybody on the field stopped. So when everybody on the field stopped, I thought that was over. Guess who didn't stop? Charbonneau. Yeah. But that's what, remember Ocho? It's like, okay, the ball, and you see guys all the time scrambling for the ball. Sometimes, like, well, that was a forward pass. Well, I'm going to make sure it was a forward pass. I'm going to pick it up and head the other way.

35:28Shannon Sharpe:Because if it wasn't a forward pass, it's about to be a touchdown, or it's about to be our ball. One or the other. And the officials, all they did was this. Wasn't no whistleblow. Ain't no whistleblow. mm-hmm it's so funny the officials on top of it and the officials don't even let you know it's a live ball they just sit there staring just waiting just waiting i can't tell you that's funny you might want to see i know i shouldn't have listened to you ocho man and you and a man was she he had 91 yards last week guess how many passes he can't jojo how many of you but you'd bulljive look what you call him puka got a touchdown uh kyron williams has 70 yards what what else the only one we missed was that i mean he i could i'd have felt better if he'd have 10 yards 15 yards well hold on hold on hold on that that is not that bad because everything else i told you to go i mean it was a green light now what you missed one that ain't that bad because we don't get no money at all.

36:29Shannon Sharpe:Damn.

36:36Now we don't get nothing.

36:40Shannon Sharpe:But look, I'm anxious to hear what Sean McVay said because maybe Sean McVay said, well, we heard the whistle blow. Well, if the whistle blow, it doesn't matter if it was a back with pass. The ball's dead.

36:55Shannon Sharpe:Whistle blows. means plays over. Over, yeah. Anything that happens after that is null and void. So it's going to be interesting to hear. I'll be interested to hear, Chad. I don't know if y 'all watch the press conference or listen to what the press conference had to say. Ocho, did you see A.J. Barnard's route, that seven route that he caught, the touchdown? No, you talking about the post corner post. No, the corner post. Wait, no, post. That's the route that Travis Kelsey was supposed to run against Derwin James. You know why? Because Travis Kelsey does sometimes run a far cross. So now you sell it.

37:32Shannon Sharpe:So you're going up like this and then you look like you're going on a far cross. Guess what he's going to do? He's going to try to undercut you. And in the process of undercutting it, now you bend it back to the seven. Back to the corner, yeah. That was a nice little route. A great route. I thought he was going to drop it the way he had the reason for that guy. I thought he overshot it. I definitely thought he overshot it but I ain't I ran a seven just like that against San Diego on the boot yeah ran that thing Ocho I hit like three steps to the post I looked I said oh bro I need to pick that off if I was going to the post but unfortunately for you I'm going to the seven you went back you went back out yeah man hold on hold on John John rolled left and threw all the way back no it was it was Jake Plummer oh so Jake I mean Yeah, we ran a boot.

38:22Shannon Sharpe:So I start like I'm running, just like what Barna ran, but instead of, he faked this way and went that way, I faked that way and went this way. Okay, okay, okay. I said, yeah, I said, it sucks for you, bro. You scold? For the third time. Okay, okay, okay. All right. But look here, I know the Rams lost tonight.

38:47Shannon Sharpe:I don't know who wants to see them. even though they lost I still think I think if they play again they'll beat them yeah probably well you know what I don't know the games are close because you got to realize I think the Rams kicked the field goal to beat them and it's going to be a close game but Ocho's a division rival they know each other I know you you know me you know me Seattle's probably said hold on guys if we don't turn the ball over three times we had three turnovers remember Cuba Cup fumbling. And they could have got three points or maybe even a touchdown out of that. So Seattle's thinking, bro, we take care of the ball.

39:28Shannon Sharpe:Hey. We good. If I'm the Rams, it's like, they're looking at the opportunities that were squandered, especially early. He overshoots Cooper. I mean, excuse me, he overshoots Puka. Lyman comes in and he's blocking down the field. Takes a touchdown off the board you end up having to settle for three they go for it on fourth down is fourth in the inch and they don't get it yeah this was a great game this was a great game yeah very very good game oh what you been eating they say you got food in your teeth yeah let me see hold on i just had waffle bottom right okay okay okay okay okay see that's why i love my chat but my chat

40:23i show hey i so did what hey that's what that's see that's what i like that's what i like about my people boy like my people gonna let you know huh you hear me yeah people people gonna let you No, they ain't going to have you looking crazy, man. Hey, Chad, I appreciate y 'all, man. I'm almost teared up. I'm almost teared up, man. Copenhagen's Spit Free packs American-grown tobacco into pouches.

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41:39Shannon Sharpe:Let's move forward from there. NBC News, reporting for America. When it comes to advancing your education, you have more options than you think. At Rasmussen University, we find ways to remove barriers, not build them. Like a new laptop if you're eligible and enroll in select online or on-campus programs. That means flexible and engaging online courses and resources, tuition savings options if you qualify, exceptional student support, and much more. Online nationally or check out their 20 campuses across six states. Start when you're ready and get the support you need. Visit rasmussen.edu. This is Tab Ramos from Inside American Soccer.

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44:14Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, NFL insider John Machado, who covers the Cowboys, believes the team will more than likely franchise tag George Pickens. Machado said, if I had to predict a day, Pickens will end up getting the franchise tag. He obviously won't like that idea. I just have my doubts about Jerry being able to get a deal done with David Muguleta, Muguleta, excuse me, David Muguleta, after how ugly things got with Michael Parsons. Jones could prove me wrong, but the tag is more likely at this point. Either way, I don't see a scenario where Pickens is playing anywhere but Dallas next season. Pickens is having his best season yet.

44:51Shannon Sharpe:81 catches, 1 ,212 yards, eight touchdowns in his contract year. Ocho, if Jerry Jones franchise tags George Pickens, do you believe it gets ugly? Now, Moola Guetta has said one contract negotiation does not impact another contract negotiation. What are your thoughts on this? If you franchise George Pickens, understanding that he's had the season he's had, knowing that it's his opportunity to get a payday, somewhere else and that you don't see fit or want to pay him but understand his value which is why you're tagging him and you're tagging him because basically all you're telling me is you're doing two things either you're tagging him to buy yourself more time to get a deal done before the season starts or you're tagging him because you don't trust him and you don't trust in giving him that long-term money that's it it's only two things either i'm waiting to buy myself more time to work out a deal, we got to take care of that.

45:54We got to take care of some other things. We going to get to you, or you know what? You good for us, but you only did it one year. Let's see if you can do it another. Nah, we not playing that. We not playing that. We not playing that. That's the first thing I said. Let him have a good year. Let him go somewhere else and get his money.

46:15Shannon Sharpe:I can't do that, Ocho. I get the third round pick. anywhere else he wouldn't have to deal with this. He wouldn't have to deal with this. It's a no-brainer. No-brainer. I don't like it. I don't like it. I mean, George P. could have made it real easy, Ocho. He could have made it real easy. If you're in a contract year, Ocho, what is Ocho's secret in a contract year? What is Ocho going to do? be on his absolute best behavior. His absolute best behavior. To me, at 9 o 'clock, Ocho's sitting in his chair at 855. The bus leaves at 330. Ocho on the bus at 320. Ocho ain't getting no passes. Ocho's still busting his ass.

47:02Shannon Sharpe:I'm not going to give y 'all any reason to tell me this is why y 'all can't give me no money.

47:10Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, when you go to the combine, they look for reasons why they shouldn't draft you. Draft you. They looking for reasons why they shouldn't give you money. The only people that they're looking to do, you don't have to give them a good damn reason to give you money is the damn quarterback. That is the only position everybody else has to prove beyond. The quarterback. Shout out to them. Well, hey, he looks promising. Let's drop 50 on you. Yeah. Running back, man. Well, you know you got mileage on your body. Well, you know I got the mileage here, right? Well, I received, well, you know, you kind of, well, you know, I'm playing injured because of you.

47:55Shannon Sharpe:See, they don't look at I'm playing injured. I'm taking these injections to get out there on the field and help you win. Oh, they talking about, well, you're injury prone. Well, I'd have been back a lot sooner. I wouldn't have been limping as long had I slapped my ass down and took two weeks to heal as opposed to trying to play through this issue. I've never heard a doctor say, and I've had some, say, you know what, just continue what you do and you'll get healthy. They normally tell you to sit your ass down and rest. Yeah, that's the only way to get healthy. So I'm trying to figure out how going out there on the field.

48:27Shannon Sharpe:Look, you and I both knew George Pickens had immense talent. The question that I was like, bro, you costing yourself so much money. if you just he really I mean look do he like 6 '3", 210, 215 tremendous physical great after the catch sometimes he drifts sometimes he seems uninterested and you just can't be you just can't be that way in a contract year yeah well listen if you don't like him you don't like what you see from him let him go I got a third round pick title For what? For what? I mean, why was your whole loan to him? Yeah, just because you understand how good he is and you understand his goddamn value.

49:16Shannon Sharpe:You should have thought about that when y 'all had free agency? What did I tell you the first thing they should have done, Ocho? Do away with what tag? Franchise tag. How the hell is that free agency if you interfere with my ability to go get fair market value? I mean I I told you I should have been director man never mind I'm gonna let that go

49:42they want somebody to steal that ship I bet you I get every player what they want I bet that yeah no more franchise tag oh that should have been number one hold on I got let me finish now no franchise tag health insurance benefits, lifetime.

50:02Shannon Sharpe:At least after five years. Nah, lifetime. You can't give a guy to play one year lifetime benefits. Now, come on. Okay, you play more than three years. Lifetime benefits. Okay? And I don't know what my third would be, but those are the top two. Even if you took the guys and say, look, you need to put$10 ,000,$15 ,000 a year. you play three you play you become a vested player after the third year yeah you're going to get lifetime benefits that's how it should be oh cho if you play three years let's just say for the sake of argument the average career is about 2.5 years i don't know how to get to 2.5 but let's just say 2.5 the average nfl player starts his career at 22 23 so at 26 years of age so now from 26 to 31, you get free medical.

50:57Shannon Sharpe:Bro, you got, for the most part, you got at least 10, 15, 20, 30, 40 years to live. Hold on. Can I say something real quick? The issues and the problems do not happen that goddamn early once you're done playing. Thank you. What we talk about. It's like a car and it's warranty. The warranty runs out. Then all of a sudden you start having problems. Ain't nothing going to go wrong with the car. until the warranty is done. Come on now. I would be, I would, and that's how it is. As soon as the car's under warranty, don't nothing go wrong. As soon as that thing hit 50 ,000, 100 ,000, 100 ,000 in one mile.

51:38Shannon Sharpe:Here you go. You sit there, you come out in the garage, the windshield wipers going, the hazard lights on. What the hell happened? I got Christine in my garage? But I would. I don't know if they'll go three years, Ocho, but I think somewhere between five and seven years. If you can make it five to seven years, you'll get lifetime health benefits. That's got to be a thing, Ocho. It's got to be. Yeah. Yeah. Because five years, Ocho, if I'm done at 26, I get health insurance until I'm 31. You ain't finna handle goddamn problems at 31. Most people don't. once you hit them 40s, you hit that 45 and that wear and tear start to creep up on you.

52:29Shannon Sharpe:So, look, I just think the thing is I think right now, I agree with John Machado. I think they're looking towards a friend unless they can get something done. But here's the thing, Ocho. He's going to want more than CeeDee Lamb because he said CeeDee did that deal two years ago. How y 'all going to hold me up? I got to push the market. hey listen um i i just i just don't like the nature of the business uh i understand jerry you understand uh the dallas cowboys fans also understand how valuable george pickens is you you saw it uh all season long on what he's able to do what he was able to do when cd lamb was out what he's been able to do once cd lamb came back um i think just to keep just to keep things fair and clean for that team.

53:14Allow CeeDee Lamb to go back to being the number one. Just allow him to have his own team. Allow him to have his own team. I think Jerry should grant him that grace the same way he granted Micah that grace to let Micah go somewhere else. He should do the same thing for George Pickens. Dak is going to be just fine with CeeDee Lamb as his number one. And there are very many, many, many reliable number twos that are out there. many reliable number two there's no need to keep two ones on your team and pitch George picking off or piss off David Mulaghetta it just makes no sense to me to me it's just bad business.

53:53Shannon Sharpe:When year did the Rams play the Patriots in the Super Bowl 2019?

54:03Shannon Sharpe:Because he didn't play in the Super Bowl because he tore his knee Cooper Cupp Cooper Cupp Cooper Cupp has two 1 ,000 yard seasons in 2019 he had 1161 on 94 receptions and then in 2020 he had 94 receptions for 974 and then he went crazy 145 1947 16 touchdowns when he won the triple crown on 191 targets God damn hell I see why he broke Ocho he had he had 134 targets 124 191 98 95 100 I mean even his first year Ocho he had 95 targets. Okay, 2018 was when he ended up hurting his knee. He had 55 targets in eight games. So that's on pace to be another 100 plus target. Hey, I wonder what my numbers would have looked like with 145 targets, huh?

55:22Shannon Sharpe:Man, I don't even want to... Ocho, I try not to think about... I really don't, Ocho. I really don't. But we... Look, first of all, I wasn't going to get 145 targets because I had that Hall of Fame running back in the backfield. So you're not going to get those kind of targets. So I just accepted the fact, hey, if I can get, if I felt, if I basically went with TD had in my backfield, if I can get 65, 70 catches, I had a good season. You good? Okay. I got you. I mean, you understand how many carries a guy got to get to get 2 ,000 yards to get 1 ,700 yards? I absolutely understand it. I absolutely understand it.

56:02I mean, you had Corey Dillon.

56:04Shannon Sharpe:You had, rest your soul, Rudy Johnson in your backfield. You know. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's crazy. 145 catches. 145 on 191 targets. 191 targets? My goodness. It's a bunch of targets, Ocho. But look, they got some decisions to make. Dak, they're going to redo Dak. They're going to redo Dak. Dak is almost$80 million against the cap. They're going to bring that number way down.

56:39Shannon Sharpe:They're probably – more than likely, I'm saying there's a 95 % chance they're going to move on from Trayvon Diggs. So he's going to have – it's going to be dead cap money. Maybe they try to trade him, but you're still going to have some dead cap money on your thing. What are they going to do with all three of those defensive tackles? You know, you got$20-plus million in 3D tackles. Right. Well, I know Trayvon Day's thing about coming down to Cincinnati. You think so? Yeah, I talked to him. I talked to him. He's going to try to come on down in and help revamp and improve that defense. One year removed from being able to get back healthy, the fact that he says he's healthy now, but he'll be even that much more healthier next year once he's a banger.

57:26I agree. I'm going to talk to Jeffrey Simmons. I'm going to see what Jeffrey Simmons wants to do. You have to give up something to get Simmons,

57:33Shannon Sharpe:and I'm not so sure they want him to – I'm not so sure they plan to let him go.

57:41Listen, we're going to give them something they can't resist. We're going to give them something they can't resist. I don't know what that is, but we're going to get Jeffrey Simmons too. And right now, I think outside of Trayvon Diggs and Jeffrey Simmons, we will continue to build in the draft defensively. Offensively as well we need to get maybe another guard. Maybe another guard. Yeah, that's pretty much it. That's my plan if I were GM.

58:10Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. But it's going to be interesting to see how this thing plays out with Jerry and what he's going to do. I just know the first order of business is to get Dak. They thank the world of Dak. They believe they have the quarterback that can get them where they need to be. so the first order of business is to get that cap that 80 million dollar cap hit to get that down now the cap is going to go up and so you're going to have a little bit more you how much is it going up is it going to 5 million 10 million 15 million we don't know but the first order of business is to get cap that cap number down to probably the first year if we can get it down to say 10 15 million yes get big big old signing bonus big big old signing bonus yes chad i know i corrected myself.

58:52Shannon Sharpe:Cooper Cup in his eighth, ninth, I think this is ninth season has two 1 ,000 yard season. 2018, he tore his knee. He came back 2019, had 1 ,100 yards. And then it was that historic season in 2020, if I'm not mistaken, where he had the 1 ,945. He came up 22 yards, 23 yards short of breaking Calvin Johnson's 1 ,967. But he had an unbelievable season. Ochoa is captured by hard knocks. Darts, aggressive style, also shapes the approach defense takes towards him. Dan Quinn, Joe Witt, encouraged Washington players to treat Dart like a running back and hit him as much as possible. Dart was asked if that bothers him.

59:32Shannon Sharpe:He replied, no, absolutely not. I mean, Kirby Smart said the exact same thing every time that he played against me. So did Nick Saban. So did every coach that I played in college. So this is nothing new. Just try to go out there and play smart and be available for your team. Well, clearly you haven't done that. I mean, it just gets me excited. I mean, I'm just a competitor. You want to go out there and compete, and obviously they're acknowledging respect in a way too. So I appreciate that. You want to go out there, play really good for your team, and I think any time that there's a team that's game planning and they think definitely gives respect to a player, I think it's for a reason.

1:00:09Shannon Sharpe:Bro. They're saying they're trying to break you. You're not a running back. Plus, how long of the college season? Let's just say for the sake of argument, because he's never gone. He's never been to the SEC championship. So let's just say 13 games. You do realize you play four extra regular season games and probably two preseason. You go play two preseason games. So that's six longer games. I promise you the guys in the NFL hit harder. So, I mean, look, you could be braggadocious and say that's a sign of respect. But you say, okay, play smart. but are you playing smart? Now, it's been reported that you've been evaluated five times for concussions in 14 games.

1:00:56Shannon Sharpe:Let that sink in for a second. Five times in his rookie season in 14 games. Ocho, do you think at any point in time, the remainder of his career, he'll ever be evaluated for a concussion again? Because I'd say it's 100%. Of course. Absolutely. Absolutely. But there's something about him. something about you don't want to take that edge and competitive spirit away from him the fact that he is like they'll take it away from it's gonna be a while yeah it's gonna be a while it's gonna be a while before he changes it's gonna be something drastic is gonna have to happen for him to understand how dangerous this game is especially for the quarterback position and he's playing it like he's back in college he's playing like he's he's playing high school ball so it's going to take something drastic for you to have had the concussions that you've had, to have missed time and still think I know it's a game I know it's a game, but to still think it's a game you know as far as your health is concerned and being available for your team he doesn't get it just yet he said Ocho's out of respect no, they said that didn't hit anybody with the ball if you wide receiver, man hit Ocho they just said they're saying hit you because you don't You don't have the protection as a runner with the football that you have inside the pocket.

1:02:17Yeah.

1:02:19Shannon Sharpe:Look how big Cam was. Oh, hey, listen. And because he was so big, they weren't really throwing the flags because of his size. They used it against him. They used it against him. All I'm saying is this. You're not going to – so if your coach calling runs and you're not going to protect yourself, I'm on the opposing team why should I protect you yeah I'm trying to split your dome too if they think that little about you I think even less I mean they can pick and choose to be able to use him because he is a dude threat he is very very good with his legs he just has to be smart about it the more reckless he is then the less they can take advantage of his legs with certain play calling so that that the onus on that becomes part of the coach's job as well.

1:03:13So if the coaches put him in harm's way, they letting us know and letting him know, you know, we don't really care about you.

1:03:20Shannon Sharpe:Jack Kondart was evaluated for a concussion in the fourth quarter in the Sunday game against the Commanders. That is the fifth time in 10 games. So 50 % of the games he's played, Chad, dating back to the preseason, he's been checked for a concussion. 50%. it. Damn. How many concussions you had on? You can't count?

1:03:50Shannon Sharpe:Probably 14 years.

1:03:58Shannon Sharpe:91

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1:04:1098 Well god God damn Five Okay okay That's not bad I mean 14 14 year career I mean only five That's not bad at all that's not bad

1:04:24Shannon Sharpe:that I got diagnosed with now how many times did I have my bell rung that's a whole different argument that's a whole different question cause we all the guy and seeing stars damn he got me with that one yeah I better not do that again but as a quarterback bro you're not used to taking that kind of hits you're not not at this level not grown men them people got families they got bills to pay what you talking about man listen he don't understand he don't get it I sure hope so because he's he's fun to watch like you said they made the right decision he seems like he's the right guy for that market they love him the fans have embraced him in scat pack they're great bro if you think you're going to run around in this league and have a long career?

1:05:26Shannon Sharpe:You're not. You're not.

1:05:32Shannon Sharpe:You're not.

1:05:36Shannon Sharpe:Twice this season, Abdul Carter has been benched for start of the game for disciplinary reasons, but the Giants say they're seeing Carter respond the right way. Giants DC Charlie Bullen said his response, quite honestly, has been incredible both of those moments. I mean, he's taking ownership publicly in the building with his teammates and coaches. And then honestly, just in terms of like pattern of behavior, he's doing more. He's watching more film. He's coming in earlier. He's staying later. So the response is what I focus on. Everybody makes a mistake. Everybody needs to learn the NFL process and what which he's learning right now.

1:06:09Shannon Sharpe:But his response to those moments has been awesome. He's been he's been pro like. And that's all you're asking of a young player to do is to become a pro and grow in their game. and he has. I do too, Ocho. I like that. Listen, learn from your mistakes. Learn from your mistakes. You know, change behavior means you're really sorry. Continuously repeating the same thing that we've already told you not to do. Okay, you really don't care. You really don't care. And the opportunities you will get, they will be short. Now, you've extended grace because you're an early pick. Correct. You're an early pick, so you get a little bit more grace.

1:06:52And everybody's leash ain't as long as yours. Correct again. But you take it. Hey, listen. You keep taking advantage of it. They will show you. You're not bigger than the program. I don't care where you picked you.

1:07:04Shannon Sharpe:You're right. You're right. And you know, Ocho, some guys, you're like, man, bro, you should get it. You're the second pick in the draft. No, you're the third pick in the draft, yada, yada, yada. But some guys mature sooner than others. if you got kids you understand that some kids get it right away and some kids you have to repeat yourself you just hope that before it's too late they get it and you just hope it's you know he's learning that bro this ain't Penn State bro they not gonna let you get away with that now you LT you JJ Watt you Aaron Donald different ball game but you're not that yet so you're not going to have that kind of lead you're not going to have that kind of lead and I don't know why you would want that you want to show your teammates you want to show your teammates that you can be counted on your whole thing is to try to get that C on your chest as fast as you possibly can

1:08:07Shannon Sharpe:that means your teammates respect you and the coaches trust you but like you said Ocho he's a young player He came in, a lot of expectations. This season has not gone the way he liked. He hadn't had the season that he had hoped, you know, missed a couple of starts of the game. But like you said, if he's learning from his mistakes, change behavior is the greatest apology. So you apologize to the coaches and your teammates and you let yourself down. But if you change that pattern of behavior, are you there on time? And his coaches are saying, he's coming in earlier, he's staying later. yeah but I'm just trying to say I just never understood that Ocho what you got another job you got to get to I'm trying to why you why you trying to get out of there so quick Ocho you got one job yeah you know how it is you know when you're young man you know you get to work do your thing you know you don't watch anything outside of the film you have to with your excuse me with your team you know them young boys them young boys be trying to get up out of there and explore the city man Ocho I ain't have nothing to do right no what i had to do so you think you ain't you think you ain't had nothing to do hell my black ass stayed in the stadium my first two years i'm like right you know i had that hey i had that pool table ping pong i had a playstation had the xbox i was straight i had cable it's about a got by buy a place rent a place man nigga please oh my bad i mean uh please for what and everything that all the hey listen all the amenities all the amenities you telling me to go waste money on is right here where I work come on man stop playing go home and do what watch Jeopardy I ain't know where to go I mean cause for the first month I'll stay with Mel Bratton and then I'll stay with B-Hunk wait Melvin Bratton University was with me in Denver yes What?

1:10:12Shannon Sharpe:Man, I know Mel, man. Okay, okay, I ain't know that. Okay. Bobby Humphrey, B-Hump, I stay A. My place wasn't gonna be ready till like the first of October. Obviously, we done broke cab on Joe. I ain't got no place to stay. I said, man, damn. Right. It's like, hey, man, Lil Shark, where you going? Where you staying? Man, my place won't be ready till October. Man can't say, I got it for two weeks. My mom not coming the first two weeks. Hey. Yeah. Hump said, well, my girl ain't coming till such and such. I got him after that. Ricky Natt said, I'll take him. Goddamn, Hump. They're passing me off. They're passing you right.

1:10:52Shannon Sharpe:The only thing. Oh, so. Yeah. I'm staying with Brad. With Fat Cat. Man, we come in one night. Hey, man, come on. You're going to be the designated driver. I said, oh, man. Lord, have mercy. Damn. I said I would call them people everyday Y 'all sure my place can't be ready before then I'm tired of driving Ocho we come in 11 o 'clock 12 o 'clock at night Man let's skew They jump on the grill At 11 o 'clock at night? Thank you You see the look on your face? Hold on who grill that time of night? Thank you They were drunk Let's just say we grill Out and it wasn't the 4th of July man I say man I say man Lord have mercy I say boy I know hold on think about this if you get home 11-12 at night and you gotta get on the grill that's a tedious long process it ain't like you throwing something in the microwave man look here man they had some I guess it seemed like a great idea at the time.

1:12:09Shannon Sharpe:Right, right, right. That means y 'all ain't had practice the next morning. Yeah, we have practice the next morning. Man, I'm driving. I got to drive. Man, y 'all tripping. Boy, y 'all tripping. I said, man, look here. That's what that fat cat tells him, man. That's what I knew. he was like hey he come in I'll come in I'll go straight to my room I don't see fat cat till in the morning I ain't come out hey I said man stop here Dairy Queen stop at McDonald's I get my food that's it I go in my room I'm here for the night well you was a rookie then huh okay oh so that means rookie you ain't had no girl like that huh I didn't get my I didn't get, once I got my place, you know.

1:13:02Shannon Sharpe:Right. I ain't bringing her name up, but I'm just saying she came out. Oh, you talking about Tasha? No way, look at her ass, she talking about. You asking the brand guy, Ocho, who you talking about, Cookie?

1:13:21Shannon Sharpe:Man. But that was, that was some good old times, man. I, you know what, and I was like, man. And that's kind of where I got it from because the guys that showed me so much love and, you know, Brad and Hump and Ricky Dettiel and then, you know, watching Atwater and Dennis Smith. I don't know why the guys took such a liking to me, Ocho, but all the vet guys, they really helped me out. And I watched Atwater, I watched how Dennis Smith, I watched how they moved. I'm like, okay. I was never a go-out type of guy. So, you know, hey, to each their own. you know guys want to go I ain't got no problem with that you'll do your thing but that ain't that ain't me right right they're like man you ain't got no life you don't want to do anything I said yeah I want to play football I want to play football for a long time that's what I want to do that's it that's what I want to do I think Mary did not send me way up here to play one year and she damn sure didn't see me out here to to go to no club and try to nah yeah hey listen now You got to live a little bit.

1:14:23Listen, I understand you got structure. I understand you got discipline. You were raised a little bit different. But, I mean, see, if you was my teammate, if you was my teammate, yeah, we would have been out. We would have went out. You know, I don't even club. For someone like myself that doesn't drink and doesn't club at all, even I went out once a month.

1:14:43Shannon Sharpe:I mean, once I got situated, I was playing a little bit more. I started going out probably like the end of the year. 91, like 92. And then really, like, really I started kind of like 93, I would go out once every other month. But once Burns got there, then I really had somebody I really felt like I could gel with. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But they had a couple of clubs. They had a club called Basins Up. They had a club called Fish Dance. They had one called Jimmy's. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You said Fish Dance, what'd that mean? That was the name of the club. I know, but you said Fish Dance, So what's that is like it's like a dog.

1:15:24Shannon Sharpe:It's like a club, you know dancing music and you know You know, you know, you know, you know how to air seal pull right into the thing hit that top Okay, oh you had to convert them yeah Right up front Okay, okay. Yeah, you and you want to see you. Yeah, you got you guys you got to see and you know hey and back there had me some cowboy boots i had some more oh yeah wait you had the cowboy boots yeah it covers i ain't wear too much i still got what you been handsome still got them hold on you you had like the belt buckle and all no i had no belt buckle okay you are you talking you tuck your shirt in oh yeah yeah yeah okay yeah but i like that you see how neo was dodging them Bullets in on the matrix.

1:16:16Shannon Sharpe:That's how that top was going. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. I like that. That was back in the day. You know what I'm saying? I, you know, then I was like, okay. They don't need to see this. They don't need to see this. Right. Right. Yeah. I pop out of here blue moon, man. That's how I was, but I ain't never been no, I ain't never been no go out type of person. That ain't me. Nah, same, same. Hey, um, matter of, you know, I done, I done been in Miami all my life. I done been in my life, Miami all my life I have yet to experience Club Live you know about Club Live you always hear the stories about Club Live and how much the service and the tables it's not about what it costs to be in there it's just the fact that that environment you know it's just not me the music too loud and then when people are drinking they like to talk all up in your face and they like yeah all in your face and they'll tell you three things they'd be holding three different conversations and you don't and you lost and don't know what the hell they talk about then they step on your shoes huh people step on your shoes they always bumping you and like no man i think ocho i think in 30 plus years i think i've gone out in atlanta twice when it wasn't a super bowl atlanta now when the super bowl came to town right you was out huh you was in the streets huh I was a scout of the new rock hey I've been Atlanta one two three now five times now obviously two were to play the Falcons the other three were for work and Super Bowl is one of them and every time I go I've never been to the club obviously cigar bar I go to Cam Newton's cigar bar when that when his cigar bar open I mean they're from open to close I don't buzz it's called fellowship it's called fellowship I don't move the whole day I've just never been I've always just been a homebody Mary Porter wasn't playing that you know hey play football games she was home by herself I'm like man I'm going home nah I'm good bro I'll see y 'all on Monday.

1:18:39Yeah. You know what you got to do now, right? See, every blue moon, this is what I do.

1:18:47Shannon Sharpe:This is me. What we doing? Every blue moon, I like my presence to be felt because you don't see me often. I live here in Miami, but you don't see my face often on the show. You catch me in the city at my grandma's house. You know, everybody in the world know where my grandma stayed out there in the 40s. Now, every blue moon, Unc, I want to put that shit on, though. You know, hey, I get dressed with the best of them, Unc. You hear me? Yeah. So, every blue moon, I got to go somewhere. Let me put some clothes on. Just, like, feel good about myself. Because, Unc, have you noticed I done wore the same thing the past five shows?

1:19:29Shannon Sharpe:That's the best part about it. I be in shorts.

1:19:35Shannon Sharpe:man you and Ocho need to be in the same room that means I gotta dress up I can't have on no clumps legs ashy I'm just hey yeah hey man oh man man people should ask me man hey you need to pop out man just put some clothes on like you gotta step like honestly can I tell you something like not on no cocky no arrogant stuff like I'm probably top five dressed human beings on earth when I really want to put clothes on top five in the world Craig I believe you in the world I'm just being honest I'm just not I'm not a fashion person but when it's time for fashion I have an eye for it yeah I mean you know yeah no I mean yeah man I be a people ask me man what you doing in Atlanta living man you live here yeah i ain't know that man you know what i'm sorry i ain't seeing you that email fuck yeah because i don't go nowhere now you know some of the boys come to town or something like that we go get something to eat but i borrow the club nah hell nah hey um i done been i finally been the booby trap.

1:20:55Shannon Sharpe:I wasn't.

1:21:01Huh?

1:21:07Shannon Sharpe:Hey.

1:21:11Hey, let me tell y 'all. It's so bad. My kids, my daughters took me to booby trap.

1:21:16Shannon Sharpe:It's better than Houston. Oh, they neck and neck, boy. hey it's neck and neck no you know I ain't been to Houston since I told you I'm never going back I don't want them problems see now you told me let's move to Houston huh you know what hey I was just talking I still don't understand how the men in Houston can live amongst the women that I saw at my peripheral vision I didn't look nobody in the eyes. I just used my peripheral vision like I was a running back. You ain't got to tell me nothing, though, Joe. That don't make no sense. You ain't got to tell me nothing, nothing, nothing. Oh, my God.

1:22:03Shannon Sharpe:I ain't been back since, and I ain't going back. I was raised on a farm. I was in 4-H. Hey, I done been to the Serengeti. I been to a goat show and the country fair. I ain't never seen no ish like that when I saw in Houston. Hey, who you telling? It's a wrap. Hey, you know, Andre Johnson, Andre Johnson from Miami. And I seen Dre the last time I went to Dre. Dre took me to him and Jonathan Joseph. Chapman and Kirby. They took me to Chapman and Kirby. Nice little spot. You get to relax. I was able to smoke my cigar. And I asked and I said, can y 'all do me a favor? Now, you know, we family. We brothers.

1:22:43Can you please explain to me, Dre, you done left Miami. and you came to Houston and you ain't been back to Miami since. And I just want to sit here and tell you face to face to your eye, I understand why. Drain ain't been back to Miami since he left University. Hey, unbelievable. Do we have anybody from Houston in the chat? I hope not. I'm going to block y 'all in the chat. Oh my God. Man. Hey, you want to go? You want to just take a trip out there to go to Area 29? Ocho.

1:23:17Shannon Sharpe:huh oh joe i won't it gotta be in 27. god damn what happened you skip a whole year why because they ain't got no time they got hey not hey not hey hold on you can't you definitely skipping on the air not after that night we just had night before i was drunk i was drunk i don't what I'm using. Oh, no. Hey. Hey, go ahead and take your shot at the little portrait real quick. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Hey, hey, that was a claim. Get the sweat, get the talking. Hey, that was a class. That night was classic, boy. Lord, that was classic. But Abdul, I'm glad to see you making a man. You're getting it right, man, so I appreciate that.

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