Nightcap Hour 1: Sebastian Fundora WINS by TKO vs Keith Thurman + Israel Adesanya ON the DECLINE after ANOTHER LOSS + Ocho CHALLENGES Michael Jordan & Charles Oakley

29 Mar 2026 · 1 h 5 min · 32 chapters

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In short

Boxing and MMA recap plus discussion of aging in combat sports and potential next matchups; also a brief NBA/athlete gambling story segment.

Guests

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (former NFL Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver; Pro Football Hall of Fame ring of fame honoree; co-host “Uncle Lazer” persona) and Joe Johnson (former NBA Atlanta Hawks player; seven-time NBA All-Star; “ISO Joe” persona).

Key claims

  1. Sebastian Fundora dominated Keith Thurman with a sixth-round TKO, and Thurman looked bad due to poor execution, height-distance problems, and ring rust from a long layoff (only two fights in six years).
  2. Israel Adesanya’s loss was framed as a major decline: he was TKO’d by Alex Pereira at UFC 271 (ground-and-pound after being dropped).
  3. Older fighters can’t match younger conditioning/volume; time off changes performance, and losses affect marketability in the UFC.

Notable examples

  • Fundora’s left hand “caught him” early; Thurman was “pinging” but couldn’t sustain.
  • Adesanya’s last win cited as April 8, 2023; multiple losses/submissions before this fight.
  • Comparisons to Ali’s post-layoff decline and Jordan’s return after baseball.

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Chapters

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Fundora vs. Thurman Fight Analysis

5:02 to 7:42

Deep dive into the TKO win by Sebastian Fundora against Keith Thurman.

“It's like a ton of bricks or a ton of feathers.”

Game Plan Breakdown

7:42 to 11:30

Discussion on the fight strategies and execution of both fighters.

“Fedora told Jim Gray after the fight, I was working very hard for this fight.”

Thurman's Performance and Future

11:30 to 13:25

Reflecting on Keith Thurman's performance and potential next steps.

“You standing on the damn porch talking to that man.”

Analysis of Fundora's Fight Performance

14:01 to 18:18

Learn about the strategies and challenges faced by Sebastian Fundora in his recent fight and the implications for future matchups.

“After that, Mendoza, I mean, not Mendoza, Fedora.”

Thurman's Performance and Ring Rust

18:19 to 20:08

Discuss the impact of long layoffs on an athlete's performance, especially in boxing, as seen in Keith Thurman's recent fight.

“All that, he might have been 62 years old, but he beat him.”

Thurman's Layoff and Fight Strategy

20:09 to 21:25

Explore the reasons behind Thurman's long absence from the ring and its effects on his approach to the fight against Fundora.

“Give me something I can just peel the top off of.”

Izzy Adesanya's Recent Fight Outcome

21:26 to 21:52

Learn about Israel Adesanya's latest fight performance and the challenges he faced against a rising contender.

“who who looks worse did izzy or thermon look worse izzy look horrible wait wait is he for the night too that man knocked his ass out you did serious wait adesanya is he yes adesanya is he Damn.”

Discussion on Adesanya's Career Decline

25:10 to 28:01

Examine the recent struggles of Israel Adesanya in the UFC and the implications of his performance history.

“Pfeiffer stopped, one of the best middleweights in the sport he's ever seen.”

Analyzing Izzy's Recent Losses

28:01 to 28:33

Discussion on Israel Adesanya's recent performance and losses.

The Challenge of Staying Competitive

28:33 to 30:00

Exploring the difficulties fighters face as they age and compete.

“You can lose Ocho, but it's how you lose and people don't like bro.”
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The Evolution of Fighting Styles

30:00 to 31:30

Insights into how younger fighters adapt and improve their skills.

Fighter Independence in the Octagon

31:30 to 32:34

A conversation about the isolation fighters experience during matches.

“Yeah, and listen, unless you play a team sport where they can hide your weaknesses a little bit.”

Upcoming Fights and Predictions

32:34 to 34:08

Previewing future matches in boxing and MMA, including Deontay Wilder.

“Look, who the next big fight we got coming up?”

Fighter Strengths: Wrestling vs. Striking

34:08 to 36:40

Discussion on the advantages wrestlers have in MMA compared to strikers.

“That's a whole different type of skill set.”

Khabib's Dominance and Legacy

36:40 to 39:34

Analyzing Khabib Nurmagomedov's fighting style and his impact on MMA.

“See, if you notice, MMA, a lot of these wrestlers are really doing good.”

Khabib's Influence on Future Fighters

39:34 to 42:00

Exploring Khabib’s training methods and how they shape new fighters.

“Oh, yeah, remember he went over the top went over the ring and kicked and jumped in it.”

Sparring for Content: A Fun Idea

42:00 to 43:10

The hosts discuss the idea of sparring with top fighters for content.

“like uh uh Islam or somebody like that I don't know how well how good of English that they speak.”

Reflections on Keith Thurman's Performance

43:10 to 44:01

Analyzing Keith Thurman's recent fight and performance after a long break.

“I was upset because I was excited to see the fight.”

Time Off and Its Impact on Athletes

47:15 to 48:41

Discussing how time off affects athletes' performance upon return.

“He dropped a double nickel in the garden, but he wasn't close.”

Michael Jordan's Comeback Analysis

48:41 to 51:04

Examining Michael Jordan's return to basketball and its impact on his performance.

“Yeah, I think they had like 21 games left, Joe.”

Jordan's Work Ethic and Lifestyle

51:04 to 52:07

Talking about Michael Jordan's work ethic, training, and lifestyle choices.

“With all that talent he had though, nobody can outwork him, bro.”

High-Stakes Gambling Among Athletes

52:07 to 56:00

Delving into the gambling habits of athletes and the risks involved.

“they say the man used to go play 18 - He would, he would.”

Gambling Stories and Team Dynamics

56:00 to 58:00

Learn about the high-stakes gambling culture among athletes and team camaraderie.

“Look, man, we coming, I'm trying to think, hold on, where we coming back from?”

High-Stakes Gambling on Planes

58:00 to 1:00:10

Discover the extreme gambling habits of players on team flights, including anecdotes about large sums of money.

“Hey Joe, tell me about them dudes owing somebody$157 ,000,$175 ,000 on the plane.”

Meeting Michael Jordan and Oakley

1:00:10 to 1:02:10

Explore the hosts' experiences meeting basketball legends and their unique lifestyles.

“You get on them teams who ain't got no limit to what they'll spend or what they willingly lose, boy, please.”

Memorable Nights Out with Legends

1:02:10 to 1:04:30

Hear entertaining stories about nights out with sports icons and the wild parties that ensued.

“So Jordan came down here, he put together a softball team and I played on it.”

Big Money Transactions and Cars

1:04:30 to 1:07:30

Learn about a surprising car sale involving cash transactions and personal connections.

“be a limit, we, I mean, the man he a big limit.”

The Legacy of Charles Oakley

1:07:30 to 1:10:01

Discuss the transformation of Charles Oakley and the respect he commands in their circle.

“I said, well, how the hell I'm gonna get home?”

Graphic Humor and Fan Interactions

1:10:01 to 1:10:48

The hosts humorously discuss fan-created graphics and playful banter.

“But like I said, I'm glad he got married.”

Tyrone Hill's Loan Drama

1:10:49 to 1:11:58

A story unfolds about a basketball player's dealings and unexpected outcomes.

“whether it's the ring or the octagon, ain't none of that happening, Joe.”

Oak's Strength and Training Regimen

1:11:59 to 1:14:16

Discussion about Oak's impressive fitness and commitment to training.

“And this the weekend, so I know during the week he getting it.”

Competitive Spirit Among Friends

1:14:17 to 1:14:48

The hosts share their competitive nature and playful challenges.

“Hey, Joe, me and you, Joe, we're going to take them boys on, man.”
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5:26Shannon Sharpe:I don't know who look worse. Izzy or Thurman. It's like a ton of bricks or a ton of feathers. They weigh the same. They both look bad. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y 'all know who I am. I'm your favorite uncle. That's my partner and co-host. Cincinnati former Hall of Fame pro bowler and ring of fame honoree. And he's a former all pro. That is Chad Ochocinco Johnson. Go ahead. You're muted. You're muted. Ochocinco, you're muted.

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7:33Shannon Sharpe:And still, 2 million, what did I say? Oh, 2 million. And still, Sebastian Fedora defends his throne with a sixth round TKO. Fedora told Jim Gray after the fight, I was working very hard for this fight. Keith always looked up to him, a Hall of Famer for sure. I just wanted to take my hat off to him. That's why I trained and worked so hard to prove to him that the world, that I'm the best 154. What's the difference in fighting so well from the inside is using its reach at this time? Fundora said it all came down to a motivational quote he read on Instagram. Birds use their wings to fly, so I thought I would use the whole wings.

8:13What?

8:14Shannon Sharpe:Ocho. He looked bad, Ocho. What happened?

8:20Joe Johnson:I was embarrassed. Hey, Uncle Joe. I was embarrassed. Listen, obviously, when you go into a fight, especially at this level, when it's the best in the game, obviously, Fendora only lost one fight to Mendoza, but you go in with a game plan. You feel each other out the first few rounds. Yeah. You feel out what you want to do next. When it came to Keith Thurman, whatever he had planned and dancing around, knowing you on 37-year-old legs, understanding that's not going to last you. that's only going to last you so long. You got to gain his respect as soon as the fight started, Uncle Joe. You got to gain his respect.

8:55Joe Johnson:They had no point in the fight. Was Pandora worried about Keith Thurman's power?

8:59Shannon Sharpe:At all.

9:00Joe Johnson:Game plan he came into the fight with. Pandora came out with a goddamn left and caught him right in the middle of the face.

9:08Shannon Sharpe:That was it.

9:09Joe Johnson:That was it right there.

9:11Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

9:11Joe Johnson:That was it. If you're going to fight somebody that tall who the best thing you can do is fight at distance, smother the punches, fight on the inside.

9:21Shannon Sharpe:He did smother them with his damn face. He smothered them. Hey. Uncle Joe, if you don't fight somebody that tall. Uncle Joe, before you go any further, you say come out with a game plan. Hell, it look like he crammed the night before the test. You know what I'm saying? Joe, he didn't study at all. I'm like, what the hell? I'm like, Thurman, what the hell are you doing?

9:42Joe Johnson:Hey, Uncle Joe, it's one thing to understand what he should do. It's another thing to actually be able to execute it in the ring with somebody that goddamn tall, that goddamn long paws. But you got to make a fight like that ugly against somebody like that. You got to make them uncomfortable because fighting that distance ain't it. No, not that man that size.

10:03Shannon Sharpe:And he was pinging him. He was pinging him all night. He was that jab, that southpaw. Hey, look. Look, and that's what I'm trying to tell y 'all, because of the height disparity, Unk and Ocho. So that'd be similar to me and you boxing. You see how them boxing? Nah, for real, Unk, Unk, Unk, Unk. You see them wild punches Thurman had to throw just to even try to connect one? Right, right. Like, you know, and then he like, man, I gotta come up in here. So he had to take a couple lumps. Yeah, those couple lumps almost sent it to the canvas, man. Yeah, it did, it did. Hey, look, that's why I hit you, that's why I hit you, Unk, after the fourth round.

10:37Shannon Sharpe:I said, oh yeah, this man, he ain't gonna make it. He ain't gonna make it. I thought he was gonna get him in the seventh. I said, by the seventh round, he gonna be out of that shit. Joe said he did, he did. He said, Thurman ain't looking good.

10:50Joe Johnson:Hey Joe, here you do. Hey, but Joe, hey, there's a difference though, Joe. You gotta understand, see? You ain't gonna make it that far. What? Joe, you ain't got the conditioning for that. Hold on. You know, you can't throw punches and volume in the goddamn ring, Joe.

11:06Shannon Sharpe:Hey, that's all I needed for you to doubt me. Hey, you seen how Thurman was on that damn bicycle all night? That's how your ass gonna be. At 37, you can't be on the bicycle. That's a 27, 30-year-old leg. Man, not 37. That man was on. Like what you're saying, his game plan should have looked. Ain't no way I'm gonna stand on the end of these damn punches. Oh, no. You better get your ass. Hey, come all the way in the house. You standing on the damn porch talking to that man. He whop, whop, whop, whop, whop. Hey, bring your ass in the house. Either get your ass off the porch or talk to that man from the road.

11:46Shannon Sharpe:Call him on the phone. But you better get your ass in that phone booth. Yeah. Hey, when I say this. You got to take some of that pop. If you're on the end of those punches, there's no way you going to make it. It hurt you. Hell yeah. But, Ocho, like you said, this man, I don't know what he thought. He walked right out there, that man hit him dead in his damn face. Hey, the first punch he threw was clean. You know, normally they throw something, they just trying to feel you out. They just trying to get their arms warm. They trying to get their arms loose. They ain't really trying to land nothing heavy.

12:19Shannon Sharpe:It's not me damn if the man didn't walk right into a punch with his damn face. Okay, Ojo. Yeah. He didn't look like he was. It didn't look like one time Thurman was in great condition, if you ask me. he didn't look like he didn't look like he i mean i know he was in shape but he yeah to be running

12:36Joe Johnson:how he was running yeah hey joe he got to do something you got to do something man i mean if you're not gonna make the fight ugly your only other option is to be on your bicycle and pick and choose when to go in there because every time you go in there you're gonna take something going in

12:53Shannon Sharpe:oh joe you remember the jake paul fight when he got on that bicycle yeah you can't run on that bicycle like that that ain't that ain't your game i mean do you understand how how great a shape that you actually gotta be in to get on a bicycle and throw punches man i mean at 37 at 37 you

13:13Joe Johnson:shouldn't be doing that you gotta have a different game plan if anything fundora lost to mendoza right mendoza made the fight ugly he made it ugly and he wasn't on the end of those punches He fought mid-range, in close, and made it nasty.

13:27Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

13:28Joe Johnson:He made it nasty.

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13:29Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Furman should have left this fight alone. Yeah. Let's be all the way real, Ocho. Furman should have left this fight alone. You think so? In the words of Teddy KGB, what he told me, this was no good for you. Hey. Hey. Hey, um.

13:48Joe Johnson:He had a long layoff too, Joe. Huh? Yeah. He's had two fights in the past six years.

13:54Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, man, he don't even look the same, I guess, because without the braids, I'm like, man, what Thurman is this? No, straight up, he came out of that fifth round right after I hit y 'all. He gave a little flurry real quick. It was like a quick three-peat. After that, Mendoza, I mean, not Mendoza, Fedora. He got right back, right back to that jab. But that's really the hard part, Ochoa, you know that as somebody that box is that you know as you get older it gets harder to throw that volume of punches you gotta be smart you gotta be smart but you gotta get the guy's attention if you don't get his attention if he don't think you can if he don't feel that you your pop that you got any snap on those punches he's walking through those you done you done all you done You see the difference with Canelo and Bud?

14:46Shannon Sharpe:Hey, Bud touched him. He's like, I ain't walking up in here. I got to be careful. Hey, I tried the front door. Let me see if a window or a back door is unlocked. I ain't coming in this damn front. Hey, hey, I understand what y 'all are saying. But when you look at the height disparity, bro, 6 '6", Anken Ocho, like he's probably what the tallest champion has been in a while. Yeah, he is. And that to be at 154? That's what I'm saying. Who going to be able to challenge that man and be able to get in there and be able to really defeat him? That's going to be – man, they didn't even look – tonight looked like it was child's play.

15:24Shannon Sharpe:I can tell you one person, Joe. Who? Charlo. You think Charlo can get in there and do something with him? Absolutely, because there has to be – But Charlo is going to have to be able to take some punches now. That's what I'm saying. Because here's the thing, Ocho. We saw Charlo fight against Canelo, and he felt Canelo power. I'm talking about the other Charlo, Big Charlo. Oh, okay. Yeah, 154 Charlo. Look, Ocho, you remember Paul Williams? He's the only guy that I can remember that was - You throw 100 punches around. But you're talking about Big Paul, but he's like 6 '4". I'm talking about like, I think he was like 147.

15:54Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, he thought like - I can't remember a guy at 54 this tall. Normally you get guys this tall. Man, they heavyweights. They knock them down 154, 147. Man. Do you know, first of all, at 6 '6", 154, bro, you eating oatmeal and soup all day, every day, year round. You got a 6 '6 frame. Ocho, you know how much weight you can put on a 6 '6 frame?

16:19Joe Johnson:Yeah, yeah.

16:21Shannon Sharpe:So for him to make 154, he's not a naturally big guy anyway. Nah, he's real small. I would say at 6 '6, he's probably walking around at probably like 180. Yeah. But still at the end of them punches Hey, if you don't get inside And make him shorten them punches Are you going to let him just snap off on you?

16:39Joe Johnson:Yeah, he's going to kill you every time He's going to pick you apart Hey, Joe If he fights somebody That's heavy handed like a Charlo That's the only person I can think of Right now at 154 That would be a good fight Because they were supposed to fight at some point I saw the news about them fighting It never happened, it never came to fruition but if Charlo catch him with one of the best jabs in the business, he get that respect, it's going to be a different ballgame. And Charlo has no problem making it ugly and fighting on the inside.

17:11Shannon Sharpe:Hey, I know one thing. I know one thing. What's my man who's in the door? Thurman. Yeah. He better be thanking the referee tonight. Because he was going to be blue-black tonight, partner. Hey, I'm talking about Ojo. He was about to get some serious damage, though. He was going to hit the canvas. Yeah, it was going to be over. All that blood started leaking. He's hollering about it. He's tough. Yeah, tough. Hey, you better go sit down somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. And the thing is, as a professional athlete, when you're in the fight game, because when that thing go, it go quick. You look bad in a hurry.

17:50Joe Johnson:Yeah.

17:51Shannon Sharpe:Especially because these guys are younger, they're stronger, they're faster. It's different now. Yeah, I understand. I understand Fendora. Everything that he said, he looked up to the man, and the man's going to be a Hall of Famer, but I'm going to beat your ass while you're in here. And it's going to look good on my rep. Guess what, Ocho? I beat Keith Thurman. I beat a former champion. Yeah. Ain't nobody, when we talk about this 15 years now, ain't nobody going to remember, man. Hey, like they said, Joe Louis with Rocky Marzano. He was 100 years old. Hey, he beat him. All that, he might have been 62 years old,

18:27Joe Johnson:but he beat him. You know what I also think the problem is, Joe, especially for somebody like Keith Thurman, in boxing in general, there's a thing called ring rust. You haven't been in there so long. I don't care how much sparring you're doing, you've done, or how many fights you've had. To only have two fights in the past six years, you're not going to be the same, especially coming to the fight opponent like God damn. That caliber. Yeah, of that caliber. You know, that's shooting for the stars instead of getting some tune-up fights before you go into a fight like that. And I think that's one of the reasons why he looked the way he did.

18:58Joe Johnson:He was overwhelmed. By the time he got past that fourth round and figured out, well, damn, ain't nothing I'm doing is working. And when I do try to, he lunging and jumping and, like, nothing is working.

19:11Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, yeah.

19:12Joe Johnson:It was a wrap.

19:13Shannon Sharpe:Hey, I wonder why such a long layoff. Was it a health condition that he had to have surgery or something? What was it, Uncle Ocho? I don't know. I'm not really sure. Because, like I said, I hadn't heard from him in a while. Now, hell, I didn't – because, you know, last time I heard somebody bring his name, what was Clarissa talking about she could beat Keith Thurman too. That was the last time I heard somebody mention his name, Ocho. Yeah. And like you said, I don't care what sport you play. You get good at said sport doing said sport. All that practicing and all that sparring, it's just like track and field.

19:46Shannon Sharpe:You can do all the block starts you want. You can do all the conditioning you want. You better take your ass to the meat. You better go to the Diamond League, the Prefontaine. You better go to the Drake. You better go and get competition against other guys, against other young ladies. You got to run. This right here, two fights in six years, and you come back and fight him? Nah, give me a tomato can. Give me something I can open easy. Give me something I can just peel the top off of. I ain't fooling with this dude. Hey, no waste my damn$75 watching that. Come on, man. Yeah, I need a refund.

20:22Shannon Sharpe:Y 'all laughing. I understand y 'all had all them damn fights on there, but I need a refund. I need a refund. Because I basically played$75 for that fight. So at least give me$45 back. I eat the$30.

20:34Joe Johnson:I thought it was going to be a good fight, man.

20:37Shannon Sharpe:No, I didn't. Not after I seen Buddy and probably after like... You thought it was going to be a good fight? That man come out there and he... Bop! No, it ain't going to be no good fight.

20:49Joe Johnson:I knew something was wrong because you never get hit with the first shot, Joe.

20:53Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

20:54Joe Johnson:Clean. Not at that level, huh? You never get hit with the first shot.

20:58Shannon Sharpe:Because he got a - Look, y 'all see he got to throw them wild punches just to even try to connect. So Buddy probably was already ready for that. In order for him to hit Fendoza in his head, he had to throw something wild. Yeah, he got a jump. So once he opened up, he just caught him with that left, flush. Oh, yeah, it's over with. He ain't gonna make it. He ain't gonna make it. I was like, damn. and and and i'm looking at this and i'm like really i was like i'm like when i asked who who who looks worse did izzy or thermon look worse izzy look horrible wait wait is he for the night too that man knocked his ass out you did serious wait adesanya is he yes adesanya is he Damn.

21:48Joe Johnson:I'm so focused on boxing, I forgot Izzy was fighting.

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25:17Shannon Sharpe:The fourth round ground and pound ended Adesanya's night at 418 in the second round of their main event. The second round? Hell, it's only three rounds. It wasn't no title at stake. Put them powers on that boy, man. Hold on, Joe. Hold on, hold on. He heavy-handed to that kid. I ain't know nothing about this kid. Standing up or ground game? Man, that man, he knocked his ass down and beat the brakes off him.

25:44Joe Johnson:Damn, I like how to sign you too, man.

25:48Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. The best part about it, it was free. I'd have really been kicked off of my guy on$150. I'd have called Dana personally. Hey, Dana, bro, I need this back, bro. I ain't finna hold you, but I need this back because this was some bull jive.

26:10Joe Johnson:was it exciting at least

26:13Shannon Sharpe:yeah if you're a Pfeiffer fan if you're a Pfeiffer fan yes it was very exciting he heavy handed Ocho

26:24Joe Johnson:he must be really young then he must be young young and upcoming

26:29Shannon Sharpe:DC DC like I think this kid was a kid I mean this fighter was like he was ranked like 14th so now after doing what he destroyed. I mean, he walked through him. He's 29. Izzy on up there, though. Damn. Izzy, I don't know. Izzy ain't won a fight in a while. Yep, because his last, I mean, it wasn't. Is it the last fight that he won? He beat Putain? Piedra? I think that might have been his last fight that he won. I mean, him and Pereira went back to back, right? Yeah, Pereira beat him and then he caught Pereira and then he teed off on Pierre and knocked them out. That might have been the last fight that he won.

27:16Shannon Sharpe:Damn, man.

27:20Joe Johnson:I like him.

27:21Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, and the thing, look, this is why you take your hat off the bones, John Jones. Hey. Even at his age. He different, man.

27:35Joe Johnson:He different.

27:41Shannon Sharpe:he lost to DePleuze he got defeated he got TKO he got submitted he got TKO'd he got KO TKO'd in the second round he got submitted he lost the unanimous decision to Sean Strickland he knocked out Piedra so he hadn't won a fight basically in almost two years why couldn't he yeah three years, almost three years my bad three years his last his last win was april 8th of 2023

28:13Joe Johnson:and you know i mean and you know it's funny mma ufc is so much different than boxing as opposed to i mean uh losses and having losses on your record are acceptable in in a sense because the sport is is is so much different it's so much difficult you know to stay to stay undefeated does that put a strain on on on people wanting to see him fight even though he's had losses back-to-back and hasn't won in a long time

28:39Shannon Sharpe:You can lose Ocho, but it's how you lose and people don't like bro. He got beat by uh He got beat in fair on 20 and 25 in 30 seconds of the third in the second round He got beat Vyper beat him in the second round four minutes He got submitted in the fourth round a unanimous decision now He beat a piano in the second round, but he I mean and he ain't got no belt so it's only going two, three rounds because it's not a title fight. Yeah. No, ain't nobody going to want to see that. Dana ain't going to want to see that. Yeah, he's one of the great fighters in the middleweight division. Right. But that's over.

29:19Shannon Sharpe:At least give me something. He's still a draw, though, no matter what. If it was like Volko, how he bounced back.

29:26Joe Johnson:Oh, he nice. He ain't bounced back. But I'm asking you, he's still a draw, though, right? Because of who he is based on the name?

29:35Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, but that's a Dana. Dana is...

29:39Joe Johnson:He

29:39Shannon Sharpe:made the call on that, huh? Yeah. I don't think he lets him go. He wants to see, but I mean, but the thing is, is that if you're in the UFC, you don't fight no, ain't no bums. Them guys good. Oh, everybody. And they hungry. And they trying to use you as a stepping stone. It looks good on their resume. TKO Izzy TKO Izzy Submitted Izzy I guess it's probably hard to let it go but this for me Ocho this ain't a sport that you just hang around you get hurt in this yeah you get hurt in boxing and UFC you don't think you should hang it up shitty i'm just trying to figure out who you think you're gonna be the fighters getting younger they're getting better they're getting stronger you got to realize you can't you're not as fast you're not as strong if the thing is you know what it is about training because the training aspect of it is that when you're younger you can train harder more that's how you get better when you're old things ain't and you're like you know what I can't go as hard tomorrow as I could when I was younger because I could go back to back to back and Ocho you could change with intensity back to back to back that's how you got better you're an older man I need a day or two off them young boys coming they coming that's why they say sports is a young man's game It is.

31:31Joe Johnson:Yeah, and listen, unless you play a team sport where they can hide your weaknesses a little bit.

31:36Shannon Sharpe:Mm-mm. Boy, hey, look here. It's kind of like going to jail. When they close that door behind you, you for yourself. When they close that octagon gate behind you, who the hell, who the hell, you Ocho? You on your own. If you want to come out there, they got to climb the fish. You got to come up out of there on your own. Man. They ain't opening the gate. same thing in boxing when you go to that square

32:03Shannon Sharpe:ain't no time out ain't no hey let Ocho get me let Ocho take this play for me yeah hey Joe

32:10Joe Johnson:you hear that ain't gonna be nobody to help you ain't gonna be nobody to save you boy

32:15Shannon Sharpe:what you mean

32:18Joe Johnson:once that bell go off boy it's gonna be hell on wheels

32:23Shannon Sharpe:you talking about me and you or we just talking about in general

32:26Joe Johnson:And I'm talking about me on your ass.

32:28Shannon Sharpe:Oh, I thought you had to left that alone. Oh, I ain't leave it alone. Boy, you got this to me. This is crazy, man. Look, who the next big fight we got coming up?

32:41Joe Johnson:Wait, I mean, damn, what is the next big fight?

32:45Shannon Sharpe:You talking about like real fight?

32:46Joe Johnson:I got one for you. Who? Jerron Ennis, Boots and Xander Zayas. Who, when they fight? Man, I think June, hold on, I'm gonna tell you right now. I'm going to tell you right now. Who said 154?

33:00Shannon Sharpe:You want to see Boots and Fedora, Ocho?

33:03Joe Johnson:Yeah, Xander Zayas. I don't know if I want to see that. They signed a fight in New York. And the date, oh, I don't see the date. Hold on.

33:14Shannon Sharpe:Deontay. Oh, did Deontay Wilder fight next week, Ocho? Sign, seal, and deliver. Damn, for real? Yeah. Who are we fighting, though? What's this? Chizora.

33:30Joe Johnson:I mean, this is gonna be a good bounce back win for him if he can win.

33:37Shannon Sharpe:Damn, did you hear what you just said, bro? Oh, why you look like that, man? Did you hear what you just said? What? If he can win. Tyson Fury fight. We got some fights coming up on Joe. Tyson Fury fight on the level.

33:49Joe Johnson:We got some good ones. We got some good ones. Yeah. Hey, but that boots, that boots and Xander,

33:55Shannon Sharpe:that's going to be nice. Hey, Joe said he don't want to see Boots in Fedora. No? Not right now, Joe.

34:05Joe Johnson:Man, Boots will wash him, boy.

34:07Shannon Sharpe:Hey, I'm paying big money for Boots. Don't get me wrong. I'm with Boots. I'm just saying.

34:11Joe Johnson:Man, he'll wash Fedora. That's a whole different type of skill set.

34:17Shannon Sharpe:I don't know. I'll pay to see it.

34:20Joe Johnson:Yeah, watch him.

34:22Shannon Sharpe:I'll pay to see it. I think Ronda Rousey fight. Huh? Karano. What kind of fighting is she doing? What kind of fighting? Oh, she coming back? Not in the UFC. It's another one. MVP.

34:37Joe Johnson:Oh, they got their own league, huh?

34:39Shannon Sharpe:Yep.

34:40Joe Johnson:Oh, so they trying to compete with Dana? They trying. Yeah, but they got a long way to go for that.

34:46Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Got to start somewhere. Got to take baby steps.

34:50Joe Johnson:Yeah.

34:50Shannon Sharpe:But yeah, these fights tonight, Chad, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm really sorry.

34:59Joe Johnson:I'm still trying to figure out how Izzy lost. Was it conditioning bad? He ran out of gas?

35:05Shannon Sharpe:Hey, Ocho, you ever cut grass? Yeah. If the grass ain't really thick, you ain't got to do this. Right. He was running. Yeah. Man, he ran through Izzy.

35:19Joe Johnson:oh so he didn't expect Izzy Power then I didn't respect it damn

35:28Shannon Sharpe:like action medicine

35:33Shannon Sharpe:anybody ever take egg slat syrup of black draw phenomint that's what I do went through Izzy

35:44Shannon Sharpe:I was like well damn I mean you gonna put up any resistance nope it was bad they're boxing in the MMA different bro I mean I think

35:59Joe Johnson:the strength of Izzy's game is standing up striking

36:02Shannon Sharpe:he was a kickboxer too I mean they say this record was like 75 and 4 in kickboxing 75? yes

36:15Shannon Sharpe:so you know Izzy was a kickboxer also. This dude is a kickboxer who's much younger, much stronger. Man, Ocho, when you see this, see how this man did, Izzy, man, you're gonna like, oh, man.

36:29Joe Johnson:I don't want to see that. I don't want to see that. I don't want to see it. Just the fact that he lost, it just... Because I envision and I see Izzy in a different light with the fight that I have.

36:40Shannon Sharpe:Izzy gotta stand up. Yes. What's that dude took him down? It was a wrap. Yeah. See, if you notice, MMA, a lot of these wrestlers are really doing good. The wrestlers are kind of taking over. And that's what makes Jon Jones because Jon was a wrestler. So now he can take you down, but he can strike. Jon Jones got an 84-inch reach. He got to reach like a damn seven-footer. He got elbows. He got knees. I mean, they say he don't have power in his hands like that, but he got enough to keep you up off him. But then when he covered them knees and them elbows? Night-night.

37:24Joe Johnson:Hey, you know him a little better than me. What made Khabib so good? I know his ground game was phenomenal. That's it. I know that. Because once he got you down, you couldn't get him up off you.

37:35Shannon Sharpe:He was a You getting taken down. No matter what. Period. I was talking to DC. He said, Shannon, the way these guys train over there yeah it's it's hours on hours because they're if they're they're dirt poor they don't have anything yeah their only way out is this so if you want sheep you want cattle you want this this is how you get it so they throw everything this all they do you saw how once he got i mean If you cannot, everybody can fight, you know, for the most part standing up or if they take somebody down. But if you get taken down, can you get up? You remember the fight that we saw the other night?

38:28Shannon Sharpe:Once that guy took him down to the ground, he stayed in a hole. Max Holloway.

38:31Joe Johnson:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

38:32Shannon Sharpe:That guy took Max Holloway down. Olivara. Olivara.

38:37Joe Johnson:Yeah.

38:38Shannon Sharpe:He took him down and Holloway really never. He got back to his feet one time. Other than that, once Olivera took him down, he stayed in the guard, the full guard or the cross guard, for the entire rest of the round. So three and a half, four minutes, that's where he was.

38:56Joe Johnson:Remember how we said that fight with Olivera and Max Holloway? Remember how we all said it was boring?

39:01Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

39:02Joe Johnson:So when Khabib fought, was Khabib's fight boring since his ground game, he was so efficient on the ground? Were his fights boring, or was it still exciting?

39:11Shannon Sharpe:Oh, he was exciting. He dumped it. I mean he was a mention that you got to be careful. You saw what he did to Connor Connor made one Was a copy. Hey, and he got a comment. He kept taking Connor down and Connor made one mistake And he choked him out. Yeah, and if you notice when the referee tapped him to let him go, he didn't let him go Because he had insulted his family and his religion. Oh, yeah, remember he went over the top went over the ring and

39:37Joe Johnson:kicked and jumped in it. Okay, I remember seeing that. I remember seeing that on ESPN. I remember that. So he was dead serious.

39:44Shannon Sharpe:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, they take their religion serious. They take their family serious. Yeah. Hey, he was a devout. No, no, no. Something, you know, you know, you're joking. You know, he said some things to Floyd, and it was all cute. And you know, Conor can sell a fight. He's very entertaining. He has the gift of gab almost just as good if not better than Ali. Right. But he went a little bit too far. And the man said, I'm going to make him pay for everything that he said. I'm going to make him pay.

40:16Joe Johnson:I like that. That's dope. Hey, Joe.

40:20Shannon Sharpe:What's happening? Hey, how you think I do against you? Khabib, in his last three fights, he won by submission. He submitted Justin Gaethje. He submitted Poirier. He submitted Conor.

40:34Joe Johnson:Well, goddamn. Back to back all three?

40:37Shannon Sharpe:Yep. And Conor was first in October 6th. No, Conor was October 6th, 2018. Poirier, September 7th, 2019. Gaethje, October 24th, 2020.

40:50Joe Johnson:Yeah, he never coming back, huh? We probably never seen him.

40:53Shannon Sharpe:He wasn't the same. And he basically said his dad was in his corner. Once his dad passed. That's right. So now his thing is to train the next Dagestanis and bring them up. Yeah. But see, the thing is, he trying to get people up out of there. He know what he is. Hey, I'm going to get your ass on the ground. Now, keep me off your neck. Keep me off one of these joints to keep me from tapping your ass out or submitting you.

41:23Joe Johnson:I don't want no part of that, boy. I don't want no part of that. Hey, Joe, what's your ground game look like? Oh, Joe, that man up webbing like 145. you can help him

41:36Shannon Sharpe:Khabib

41:37Joe Johnson:hold on he doing all that kind of damage and he only

41:39Shannon Sharpe:145 yeah you got him I got I got

41:43Joe Johnson:him he got who I got him hey don't let Unk hype you up bro hey hey Unk you think we can get Khabib on the show uh

41:56Shannon Sharpe:I don't know if we can get Khabib we probably can get one of those guys that he's training like uh uh Islam or somebody like that I don't know how well how good of English that they speak. Can you do me a favor? What that?

42:08Joe Johnson:Like, so we can, this is why we the best show, right? Yeah. So before we have on the show, we can actually have content where I get in the octagon with them and we spar and do ground game for like one round.

42:22Shannon Sharpe:Let's try to make it like two minutes. Because you know rounds are five minutes.

42:27Joe Johnson:Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. If I get fucked up, I get fucked up. But it'd be great content for the show.

42:34Shannon Sharpe:What'd be great looking at? Khabib was tussling with DC. For real? Yeah. DC big though.

42:43Joe Johnson:I know he is. I think that'd be fun though. I get mad for this fine. I get to tell y 'all what it's like to be in there with one of the best.

42:54Shannon Sharpe:Nah. But I just like, I don't know. I don't know where Izzy goes from here. I damn sure don't know where Thurman goes from here. Might be a wrap, huh? You think so? Yeah. He ain't look that good, old Joe. He ain't look good.

43:10Joe Johnson:I was upset. I was upset because I was excited to see the fight. I'm ready. I waited to the last minute. Do I really want to pay this$74? But listen, it's Keith Thurman. One time, I got the support one of my favorite fighters of all time, and he just didn't look like what I what I'm used to seeing. And it had to be, you know, being off all that time and thinking you wouldn't come back looking the same.

43:39Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Hell nah. Who taking that kind of time off? I mean, think about it. Ali was a lot younger and he missed those three years. He was never the same fighter.

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47:15Shannon Sharpe:what they thought was gonna happen because i think ali want he wanted to go in 60 in 60 in rome so he had to be what 18 19 vietnam having so 70 so he missed three years hey basically 27 28 29 30 something like that

47:37Joe Johnson:you know you know it's crazy ankin joe what's that no matter how great you are in the sport it's amazing how with time off whether it be a year two years or three years how different you look once you go back into that sport yeah how long you've done it you're right man but hold on well how the hell jordan would jordan look like joe in your comparison because y 'all was better better suited to answer this than me when jordan left and went and played baseball how close did he look to the old jordan before he left he when he first got back he wasn't even

48:12Shannon Sharpe:He wasn't that. He dropped a double nickel in the garden, but he wasn't close. They steal the ball. He's falling. He needed to get his legs up under him. Yeah. Once he got his legs up under him, even that year, 96, 97, 98, he wasn't that Jordan from 84 to 91. That Jordan, that Jordan. Yes.

48:37Shannon Sharpe:But he put the time in when it came to track. Yes. Because he knew he wasn't in basketball shape when he came back, Ocho. Great. What was it, by midseason? Yeah, I think they had like 21 games left, Joe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when he came back. Came back in the middle of the season? Yes. Yeah, right. Like not soon before the playoffs started, Ocho. Yeah. Right. He came back. He sent a text, said, I'm back. He sent a fax, said, I'm back. Yeah, and that's when they lost to Penny and Shaq. Orlando. Orlando Magic. They had Horace Grant on their team. and Horace Grant was putting it in his face. Next thing you know, he right back at it the whole summer, Ocho, he came back with Avengers, partner.

49:15Shannon Sharpe:Cause if you remember, Nick Anderson said, 45 ain't 23. Why he said that. He said that in public? Yeah, he said that in the paper. Like, yeah. Damn. Hey, Ocho, Ocho, he took that 45 off and put that 23. It was over. He came up out that 45. He went back to looking like 23 again? They did. He just wasn't as athletic as he was from 80 when he came in as a rookie and when he won those first championships. You look at Jordan from 8, man, you had to see it. You had to see it. You just had to see it. That first run that he had, that first three-peat, he wasn't playing. He wasn't that nice. It was ridiculous.

50:14Shannon Sharpe:It was ridiculous. It was just – I mean, it was just awe. Yeah. It was just awe. I saw him in 97 and 98. In person? And he was still Jordan now. Don't get me wrong. He was still Jordan. He still could give you 40. But he wasn't as athletic. He wasn't, I mean, early in his career, he could take the ball. Hey, he'd have the ball like this and just hang in the air. Yeah.

50:46Shannon Sharpe:He was doing stuff like that. I'd be like, bro. I mean, he whipping the ball up under, doing stuff like this. He got the ball because he had John Norris' hand. He got the ball rolling around. He's like a softball in his hand. He's doing all this right here. He got the ball behind his back. Man, that dude here. Hey, Ojo. Yo. With all that talent he had though, nobody can outwork him, bro. Mm-mm. Yeah. And that's what made him special. A lot of people talk about all the stuff he did on the court, but I'm talking about the shape that he was always in. I'm talking about how he stayed in the weight room.

51:26Shannon Sharpe:Like, that gets overlooked because he was so talented. Yep. But man, he wanted to be great, dog. he was willing to do whatever it took. But, you know, hey, Joe, just think about if he'd put down, if instead of smoking five cigars a day, he'd have just had one. And he could have left that brown liquor long. He about an average 40 back then. You ain't lying, boy. You ain't lying. Hey, he like his cigars, always have. I think he might draw him on the white now. You know what I'm saying? He might be on the tequila or the vodka or the gin. I think he'll cut back on some of that brown liquor. Yeah, yeah.

52:06Shannon Sharpe:Man, listen, I think one of the most impressive things, they say the man used to go play 18 - He would, he would. 36 holes of golf, bro, before on a game day, Ocho. Yep. Game day? Yeah, he would go play golf, yep. You know how much you on your feet when you golfing? He golfing, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you know what? He taking somebody money because he don't do nothing for free. He gambling, huh? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. He doesn't do anything. He ain't shooting no pool. He ain't playing no table tennis. He ain't playing no golf. Cards, he love cards. He loves cards. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

52:53Shannon Sharpe:Guts and Bure are his games. Let's go get him, huh? If you get what?

53:01Joe Johnson:Let's call him out, huh? No. Hey, we nightcap, but we don't spare nobody.

53:07Shannon Sharpe:No, man. Man, that man be playing 25, 50, 75 ,000 a hand.

53:13Joe Johnson:We got it, we got Joe. We got Joe.

53:15Shannon Sharpe:You got Joe for what?

53:17Joe Johnson:Huh? You got Joe for what? You gonna put up the money. For what? To play Jordan. Man, play what we playing. Now, Boo Ray? Hey, Jordan, if you see this, if you want to smoke with Nightcap,

53:31Shannon Sharpe:holla at you. No, we don't want no smoke. Hey, how much we got to bring to the table, bruh? We got to bring - Probably, knowing him, probably quarter of a million in cash. Nah, tell him, tell him, tell him. I'ma tell him what come -

53:43Joe Johnson:Quarter of a million what?

53:45Shannon Sharpe:Hey, we all come to the table. In the play, to play him. We all come to the table - And his buddies, Oatnil.

53:52Joe Johnson:Hey, all right, how about we take, all right, how about this? We bring a hundred thousand.

53:58Shannon Sharpe:A piece. Yeah, a hundred thousand a piece. And once you lose, ain't like you can sit around now. Just when you lose, you got to leave. What you mean leave? We got to leave? Ain't no sitting around in the hotel room. Ain't no, hey man, I'ma get me a drink. No, you got to go.

54:13Joe Johnson:Hey, hey, hey, we could put Jordan in this place, huh? Let's challenge him. I can't. Let you, hey, Joe, what you want to do, Joe? You want to go get him?

54:23Shannon Sharpe:You want double team Mojo?

54:24Joe Johnson:Let's get him, Joe. Hey, you got Opie, I got Jordan.

54:29Shannon Sharpe:Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I thought we were jumping Jordan. How Oak come in there?

54:35Joe Johnson:I mean, I wanted to be fair. Hey, Opie and Jordan, we gonna play spades, whatever. Whatever they wanna do.

54:43Shannon Sharpe:Nah, Jordan, I don't think he play no spades. Jordan play Guts and Bure.

54:47Joe Johnson:Okay, well tell Jordan, make it light on yourself. Huh?

54:51Shannon Sharpe:Nah, I'm good, I don't wanna play. He already tried to get me to play. I said, you nothing to get my house. Because he ain't got no less. He ain't got nothing to get my house. Hey, because playing Bure, if you don't really care for real about the money that's out there, you'll get booed on purpose just so you can put up the pot. And then raise the pot, yes. And then somebody mess around and get hit on the edge. Listen, I've seen pots get up to$750 ,000 and$75 ,000. No, man. Man, listen, I've seen dudes getting off the plane owing each other$150K. Yes. $175K. Yeah.

55:28Joe Johnson:Hold on. On the plane, Joe?

55:30Shannon Sharpe:On the plane, bro. We can't be friends and teammates no more. I owe you that amount of money. That's why Mike wanted to cut us out from gambling. He says because if you lose$25 ,000, you lose$50 ,000, your mind is not on the game. Your mind is on the money that you lost. And he's right. Hey, Ocho, during the game, it could be fourth quarter, 10 minutes left. It'll be somebody on the bench. I'm like, boy, I can't wait till we get on this plane so I can get that damn money.

56:03Shannon Sharpe:Look, man, we coming, I'm trying to think, hold on, where we coming back from? Japan.

56:11Shannon Sharpe:Man, Berger took 50 ,000 off a coach. Took him two years to pay him off. A coach? Yep. You mean like a head coach? Yep. A defensive coach. I ain't going to call his name, but yep. He made him pay? Hell yeah, he had to pay him off in two years. Berger wasn't even on the team no more. And he's still sending Berger money. Damn, y 'all ain't do deals? Deal? So here's the thing. When I say deals, it's like if we all playing and I hit up for$20K, he owe me$20K. Okay, if I say, man, you just paid me 15 and we good. You know what I'm saying? But you got to pay this in a certain amount. A timely amount, yes.

56:57Shannon Sharpe:You can't just keep getting on these flights. You owe me 20K. Oh, yeah, yeah. And you just continue to play. No, we wasn't having none of that. What the thing is is that what I hate is dudes want to gamble. Like, hey, Charlotte, let me borrow some money. Oh, man. I give him five grand. Right. Bro, and then you want to try to fade me. You not fit to fade me with my money? You better get your damn ass up. You better get somebody else money to fade me. How you going to fade me with my money? Hey, Joe. No, Joe, I would. Like, look, like me and Burns would play. I would, you know, hey, I'm rolling dice.

57:30Shannon Sharpe:I lick Burns for$3 ,000. He good. Yeah. I ain't never took no money from him. We playing fades, we good. Poker, we good. I don't take no money from him. Everybody else. Now, I did hit a guy. I took a 70 Chevelle off a guy. He had just had it refurbished, yeah. And so I say, you know what, man? Man, you can't go home and tell your wife that you lost their car that you spent this money on. I said, give me 10 grand and we'll call it a deed. We call it a deed. Yeah, yeah.

57:59Joe Johnson:You ain't take the car?

58:00Shannon Sharpe:I didn't take the car. I didn't take the car.

58:04Joe Johnson:Hey Joe, tell me about them dudes owing somebody$157 ,000,$175 ,000 on the plane. They really paid?

58:12Shannon Sharpe:Man, listen, let me tell you something. I'm gonna tell you the team I was allowed.

58:15Joe Johnson:Don't say no name, though. I'm just...

58:17Shannon Sharpe:I was playing with the Houston Rockets.

58:20Joe Johnson:Yes, sir.

58:21Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, this 2000, what? 18, 17, something like that.

58:24Joe Johnson:Yeah.

58:27Shannon Sharpe:And, okay, Ocho, I never seen nothing like it on the plane, bro. I never seen nothing like it. First off, you get on the plane, yeah, they big boy gambling. And I like to play Bure, but when I got to the Rockets, I'm like, damn, what's the ante up? They like the ante. Like it's$1 ,000 just to start off. Oh, what? Listen, listen, listen. It's$1 ,000 and that's just to start off. Now when we start, when the plane start to descend, it go up, it go up to like two grand, three grand. Next thing you know, man, them folks paying$5 ,000 a hand, man. I told them, nah, I'm good, I'ma just watch. I'ma just watch them over here, hang on.

59:04Shannon Sharpe:But you know you lose the most money playing in between. You play in between, Joe? Yeah. Now, you talk about 50, 75 ,000 go quick? Yeah. Yeah. Because you get an ace, ace, oh, high. You get another ace, it's automatically low. And then an ace come again and hit on the edges. You got to double what's in the pot. Yes, sir. So what's in the pot is 10 ,000. You got to put 20 ,000, not a pot 30 ,000. Just like that. Just like that. Lickety split. Hey, they in between series, boy. I'm telling you, man. Hey, we should do it with shots. We should do it with shots. You know, back in the day where I should have a real good time, you know, we'll have a little shindig or something.

59:49Shannon Sharpe:We'll have shots. Like, you know, we play in between for shots. You know what I mean? So I know that game there can get dangerous, partner. Absolutely. You got to be careful because you'll lose some friendships because, hey, I'm telling you, man. Hey, hey, hold on. Where any of the gambling, you'll lose some friendships. that's why I say, man, listen, it's got to be a limit to some of this. You feel what I'm saying? Yes. You get on them teams who ain't got no limit to what they'll spend or what they willingly lose, boy, please. On the Super Bowl trip, we playing, hey, guys putting six, eight Super Bowl tickets in to cover debt.

1:00:30Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, absolutely. That's why I say, when you start playing like that, hey, money out of sight, cause a fight. Yes, sir. Hey, don't worry about it.

1:00:38Joe Johnson:Hey, Uncle Joe.

1:00:39Shannon Sharpe:What's that?

1:00:40Joe Johnson:I didn't already put the message out already. So, I mean, listen, I need y 'all.

1:00:43Shannon Sharpe:I don't want no part of that. Hey, Michael. I'm telling you. It's fine. He's going to bet enough to make you uncomfortable. See, and when it's cash, it's not like, see, like in the casino, those chips, they're chips. When you see stacks and stacks of$100 bills, so you see 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70. It's a hundred thousand dollars stacked there. You can't look at that as anything but money.

1:01:14Joe Johnson:Hey Michael Jordan, Charles Oakley, y 'all come see me and Iso, huh? Make it light on yourself, whatever you want to bet.

1:01:23Shannon Sharpe:Hey, we'll definitely get their ass in some talk, some Uno or something. Yeah, they don't want to stop. Oh, okay, okay, big time gamble too. Cause like me and Oak, me and Oak, but that's how I actually met Jordan through Oak. Oak and I used to work out together. So he'd be at the track running. Anytime he come to town, my homeboy, he would call my homeboy and say, hey, let Sharp know I'm in town. Okay, I'm gonna meet him up there at Houston. Oh, Joe, you remember that Houston used to be on Lennox Road? Yes, sir. So I would always meet him up there at Houston. Then they closed that one down. We would go down to the one on Peachtree.

1:01:59Shannon Sharpe:But I would always be like, man, you ought to come and get him. I said, nah, Oake, I ain't gonna do that. Man, I hung out with Oake and MJ one time here in Atlanta. We playing a softball. I ain't gonna do that. Look, we played a softball game against Jermaine Dupree. He had a softball team. So Jordan came down here, he put together a softball team and I played on it. We played the game, we won the game, and then we went out that night. Well, they partied different, man. You do? They partied different. They just - See, Oak done chilled out now, cause he don't drink, he don't really drink like he used to.

1:02:31Shannon Sharpe:And it's a good thing because, boy, look here. Y 'all heard the story. Whatever you heard about Oakley playing basketball, it is 1 ,000 % true. It almost went down that night in the spot, in the club. It almost went down. It's 1 ,000 % what? No, what's more than 1 ,000? It's a million percent for sure. He did not bulljive. I am so glad he turned. I'm so glad Oak got married and turned his life around. He ain't one to play with. So all that, man, Oat went for bad. No, Oat was bad. They ain't play with Oat. Ain't nobody play with Oat. He like, and I'm like, bro, Lord have mercy. I'm like, whew.

1:03:17Shannon Sharpe:I'm like, whoa, man, I ain't come to Tulsa, man. Damn, if something go down, I got to go with him. Cause then, cause if you don't go with him, when he get out, he gonna fight you. go yeah he gonna fight you that's like oh kills man i say man i am so glad when that man they told me that man uh uh uh he got married yeah hey hey hey uncle joe think about this right

1:03:46Joe Johnson:we done already started it right we got nightcap outside right yeah we did bowling we did the frisbee toss we did cornhole nightcap nightcap outside special edition Unk, Iso and Joe versus Oakley Jordan and Robbie and what? Boo Ray oh hell no I mean whatever they want to play they can make a light on themselves us three versus them three

1:04:20Shannon Sharpe:I'm not playing look here man, Ocho, I'm telling you, you don't understand how, look, that little five, that little five and$25, little $100 stuff that we be gambling, Ocho, I'm telling you man, it gotta be a limit, we, I mean, the man he a big limit. Hey, hold on, hey Joe, I don't

1:04:35Joe Johnson:like the way I'm talking, hold on, hey

1:04:37Shannon Sharpe:Joe, but you know how that man is.

1:04:39Joe Johnson:Hey, hey Joe, Joe, I'm talking like we ain't got it like that though, that's

1:04:43Shannon Sharpe:I ain't got it like that.

1:04:46Joe Johnson:Yeah, we do. I ain't got it like that. Oh, hey Joe, in emergency situations for a special occasion like this, if we wanna go get it, we can go get it. We just, we choose not to do it because that's not what we do.

1:05:00Shannon Sharpe:But if you - I got grandkids, I'm trying to leave a little something for my grandkids, Ocho. Okay, my bad. You need that to caught me when I was playing. When I was playing, yeah, I probably would've, I probably would've jumped out there for 100K. Yeah. Not now. I tell you what, I tell you what, I loan you 100 and go at them boys. huh? That man ain't paid you$5 ,900. How the hell he gonna hold you?

1:05:23Joe Johnson:Because the$5 ,900 is an emergency fund, Joe.

1:05:26Shannon Sharpe:The man's good.

1:05:27Joe Johnson:You can break the glass in case it'd be emergency.

1:05:30Shannon Sharpe:I'm good. Ain't no emergency. Hey, I'm a CEO. When I go to Atlanta, I see him. Hey, let's go grab a bite to eat, reminisce. That's it. That's all I want to do.

1:05:43Joe Johnson:It's too late because I already said it. So people gonna take the clip and they gonna send it to Oak and they gonna send it to Joe. Bro,

1:05:50Shannon Sharpe:Oak came in town. I had just got the new 760. I had the first one in the southeast. I had just got it. Oak came, I think I had like 500 miles on the car. My homeboy Jimbo told Oak I had the car. He wanted one, but he was on the wait list. Yeah. So he was at the Four Seasons. I drove the car up there. He looked at it. Man, I like this. He go upstairs and come back down. He go upstairs and say, I said, wait a minute, he goes upstairs and come back downstairs. How much he had with him? He gave me 130 ,000 cash. Mm. So I said, he said, I'm gonna buy it. I like, okay. He said, I said, well, what the hell am I, I gotta get home.

1:06:33Shannon Sharpe:He said, you driving home? I mean, it ain't no, I coulda, I'da walked home. He just gave me 130 ,000 cash. He said, all, he said, hey, he said, do me a favor. Leave the insurance on it until Tuesday. I said, cool, no problem. You sold him the car? He said, hey, I got everything taken care of. You can cancel the insurance. I canceled the insurance. That was it.

1:06:59Joe Johnson:He bought the car right there on the spot?

1:07:00Shannon Sharpe:Right there on the spot. Because my homeboy Jimbo told him that I had it. So he told me, hey, Oaks said he wanted to see the car. I thought he just wanted to see what it looked like to see if he wanted one. Yeah. I didn't know he wanted to buy it. So I drove, because it's right up the street. I'm on Peachtree, Dunwoody, the Four Seasons. I think it's the Carlisle or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's right there on Lennox Road and Peachtree. Yeah. So it's a mile from the house. I drove up there. Hey, he looked at it. He walking around. He looked at it. He go upstairs and come back down. He give me a paper bag.

1:07:35Shannon Sharpe:I said, man, what's this? He said, it's$130 ,000. I said, okay. I said, well, how the hell I'm gonna get home? He said, I'm gonna take you home. Hell, I know where you stay. I like, hey, that's a big boy move right there. Hey, I drove home. I got out of the car. He said, hey, man, do me a favor. He said, just leave the insurance until Tuesday. Because he was going, I think, where he from? He from Mississippi or Alabama? He from what? I think he from like, he might be from, I think he might be from Alabama or Mississippi somewhere. And he was going home to see some family members. that was it i had the car i think i had the car a month maybe a month maybe a month i think i barely had 500 i don't even know if i had 500 miles i think i had like 250 300 okay that was it hey hey we gonna show them though we're gonna we're gonna show no we're not hey joe okay joe me and you joe i got you i'm with you bro yeah me hey joe me and you we gonna show michael jordan

1:08:39Joe Johnson:and Oakley, you know who the big boys is, huh?

1:08:41Shannon Sharpe:Okay, y 'all go right ahead.

1:08:43Joe Johnson:Yeah.

1:08:43Shannon Sharpe:But I need Unk to be there though.

1:08:47Joe Johnson:Somebody, somebody gotta film it.

1:08:50Shannon Sharpe:Unk, Unk, Unk, Unk, Unk. It man ain't got no, he really ain't got no credibility for me to even be talking with him, for real. For me to even be rocking with him, you know, that's a big step, Unk. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:09:00Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe, hey, Joe, we family now, Joe, you hear me?

1:09:04Shannon Sharpe:Nah, we gotta, once we get our fade out the way, we can get back to being family. Right now, it's very disruptive in the family. Uh-oh. Hey. You know? But the fact that we work together, you know, I have to be, you know. Let's see, hey, Joe, we deepening work. Joe, we just deepening work. You hear me? Yeah. Hey. Hey. Man, let me tell you something, man. The one thing Oak don't play with is his money now. Hey, he good. Hey, he ain't as rowdy as he used to be, but don't play with him now. Hey, hey. Hey, hey. Hey, you know why I'm saying that, because he know you the type that coming out with two,$300 bills on top of your bankroll with a bunch of - Hell no.

1:09:45Joe Johnson:Hey, hey, Joe. Hey, listen, Joe. Man, I have four Oakley up, man. Don't play it. I have four Oakley like a lawn chair. That, hey.

1:09:53Shannon Sharpe:If you notice, don't nobody call Oakley up.

1:09:58Shannon Sharpe:I've been doing it. I met Oakley, what, 93? So damn near 33 years. Yeah. He don't play like that, man. But like I said, I'm glad he got married. Also, look at the graphic teams there. What is that? Oh, this is from Discord. Can you see? Look at that. Oh, man. Who's that? What you mean? Who was that?

1:10:22Joe Johnson:Hey, why every time the graphic team makes something, got me getting punched in the mouth? Man, they ain't crazy.

1:10:28Shannon Sharpe:The fan made that one. Look at the other one, Joe. Look at the other one.

1:10:36Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, why he playing? Hey, why that man playing with my money and my time, homie? Yeah, I gots to get that get back. You hear me?

1:10:48Joe Johnson:But one thing about it, boy, when I step inside that right there, whether it's the ring or the octagon, ain't none of that happening, Joe. Shit. Ain't none of that.

1:10:58Shannon Sharpe:Hey, Ocho, you hear the story about Tyrone Hill?

1:11:02Joe Johnson:Oh, Tyrone that played for the Pacers.

1:11:05Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, and the Sixers.

1:11:07Joe Johnson:And the Sixers, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:11:08Shannon Sharpe:And what's the Tar Heel, the point guard, Jeff McGinnis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He got some scores out there. Oak lended some money, and he was dodging Oak. And see, back then, the shoot-arounds, you might be still shooting the other team coming in. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. What he did to him? Shit. Well, the first time that he did, he sent him some flowers. He had the ball boy to send some flowers over there. Oh, Joe. He got sick. All of a sudden, he didn't play that night.

1:11:55Shannon Sharpe:But O caught up with him. This sound like some mafia type stuff. Yeah. yeah oh used to be he used to be he used to be on that type of time hey hey what did the fire

1:12:04Joe Johnson:hands what what did the five fingers say to the face hey joey slapped him hey oh joe that's that's what he known for why y 'all got me y 'all got me talking talking trash to somebody like that

1:12:20Shannon Sharpe:see you you go to bargain up all these trees now you go to cop the old don't play like that

1:12:25Joe Johnson:ain't nobody trying to hear all that all right well you know what i'm balking up treka we gonna cut it down how about that who are we oh hey hey dude hey oh was that somebody's house and uh

1:12:35Shannon Sharpe:yeah we're talking all that why are you over there yeah yeah yeah okay

1:12:43Shannon Sharpe:okay walked into they practice they had shoot around at the shoot around

1:12:52Joe Johnson:ain't nobody do nothing to him what they gonna do man look you say

1:13:01Shannon Sharpe:you would have helped him I know I've seen him we gotta go we gotta go we gotta go but that's a oak all muscle oak 6 '8 265 270 all muscle ain't no fat on him he still work out like that every every bitch like 400 pounds every morning long ass arms oh was strong as hell hey hold on hold on y 'all know he uh he coaching the big three for quite some time so i got a chance to play against some of his teams but in the hotels we all typically stay in the same hotel yeah every morning if i'm up i don't care if five six o 'clock in the weight room in the morning i promise you you're gonna see oaken now.

1:13:46Shannon Sharpe:You gonna see Oak in now. He up early, Ocho. He in the weight room every morning. I'm telling you. And this the weekend, so I know during the week he getting it. Yeah. Man, we run track. When we was on that track, Oak was out there every morning. Every morning that the football player was out there, and he was out there with us. He would occasionally come lift weights, but obviously he ain't trying to get strong to mess up his shot, but but no.

1:14:16Joe Johnson:Hey Joe, I like these stories, bro. I like these little folk tales, man. I like these, bro. It feel good. I can't wait to see Oak now.

1:14:27Shannon Sharpe:Yeah?

1:14:27Joe Johnson:Yeah, I can't wait to see him now. Huh?

1:14:31Shannon Sharpe:Hey, Isaiah, tell me.

1:14:32Joe Johnson:Hey Oak, put it on the table, baby. What you trying to do, huh?

1:14:36Shannon Sharpe:What game you playing? What game we playing? I mean, who raised?

1:14:41Joe Johnson:I ain't playing no cards.

1:14:41Shannon Sharpe:I ain't playing nothing with money.

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