In short
Post–Game 7 debate on OKC’s season and MVP talk, focusing on Shai Gilgeous-Alexander’s “failure” comments, OKC’s offensive struggles vs San Antonio’s defense, and Chet Holmgren’s perceived lack of accountability and “ducks” in the Wembanyama matchup.
Guest backgrounds
Hosts are former NBA star Iso Joe Johnson and his co-host “Uncle Ocho” (ex-NBA player/analyst). They discuss basketball with a fan/host style, using stats and matchup breakdowns.
Key claims
Shai’s season is framed as a failure because expectations were back-to-back MVPs and championships; his shooting drop (regular season 55% FG, 39% 3P; series ~41% FG, 29% 3P) means he didn’t meet standards despite taking accountability. San Antonio is credited for elite, disciplined defense and making OKC’s shots difficult. OKC lacked enough scoring beyond Shai (and Jalen Williams missing/limited), forcing tough midrange jumpers and late-game pump fakes. Holmgren is criticized for not being aggressive enough and for deflecting the Wembanyama matchup.
Notable examples
Spurs holding Shai below averages; Wembanyama’s impact; comparisons to QB pressure (Burrow/Titans, etc.); discussion of whether OKC should start Kason Wallace over Lu Dort.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOSGA Reflects on Season Failure
0:30 to 0:55
Discussion about SGA's perspective on his performance and accountability.
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SGA Reflects on Season Failure
6:15 to 7:27
Discussion about SGA's perspective on his performance and accountability.
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SGA Reflects on Season Failure
7:32 to 7:55
Discussion about SGA's perspective on his performance and accountability.
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SGA Reflects on Season Failure
8:01 to 10:46
Discussion about SGA's perspective on his performance and accountability.
“I did not achieve what I wanted to achieve, but I learned the most about myself and make the greatest amount of increase in my career when I fail and I don't get what I want.”
Analyzing Performance Against San Antonio
10:47 to 14:00
The hosts dissect SGA's performance in the series against San Antonio.
“and the accountability that he put on himself, I respect it so much, which is why I'm a huge fan of him.”
Analyzing Shea's Performance and Playoff Challenges
14:00 to 21:41
Learn how Shea's postseason performance compared to his regular season and the factors influencing his gameplay.
“I think with Shea, when you look at him, though, he's not a real big physical opposing guy.”
Pressure on Shea and Team Dynamics
28:00 to 29:40
The discussion revolves around Shea's performance pressure and team dynamics in playoffs.
“And this goes back to when, I forgot what game it was, they asked him, what can Shett do more of?”
Assessing Team Strategies and Player Roles
29:40 to 31:20
Analyzing the roles of Kaysom Wallace and Lou Dort within the team's strategies.
“And you ain't got but two offensive threats in your starting lineup.”
Defensive Strategies and Offensive Disparities
31:20 to 33:00
Exploring the defensive capabilities of OKC and San Antonio and their impact on offense.
“because it was so glaring in this series.”
Player Performance Comparisons
33:00 to 35:00
Comparing the performance of key players and how expectations influence their play.
“It was the offensive end that we didn't really know who was – like even for San Antonio, although Castle was great, Harper was great, you know, Fox was a little inconsistent at times.”
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Challenges Faced by OKC in the Series
35:00 to 37:00
Discussing the various challenges faced by OKC during their playoff series.
“They got six guys that can take you off the bounce.”
Game Pace and Strategy Insights
37:00 to 42:00
Insightful analysis on how game pace affects team performance and strategy.
“Hell, that's what I think OKC was thinking at first.”
Competitive Strategies in Basketball
42:00 to 43:58
Learn about tactical pacing and roster adjustments in high-stakes games.
“but at some point in time, when you continuously start low, slow, and you constantly have to run so hard just to catch back up, how much do I have?”
OKC Thunder's Roster Decisions
43:58 to 46:14
Explore the challenges and considerations facing the Thunder's roster construction.
“They're going to have to get rid of a couple of those guys, man.”
Chet's Performance and Accountability
46:14 to 48:48
Discuss Chet Holgren's performance and the importance of accountability in sports.
“So that means I'm getting the third best guy.”
The Importance of Competition
48:48 to 51:05
Understand the psychological aspects of competition in basketball.
“that's a good thing to have when you got a player like that, bro, who's pissed off about, you know, obviously not winning the MVP.”
Reflections on Chet's Future
51:05 to 56:00
Reflect on Chet's future potential and necessary improvements for next season.
“If we got clear facts, maybe we can calm down a little.”
Chet's Accountability and Performance Critique
56:00 to 1:01:57
Discussion on Chet's performance and the need for improvement.
“and that's how you grow but see to try to obfuscate and to try to place the base of a team No, no, no, no, no.”
Mental Preparation and Future Expectations
1:01:57 to 1:10:06
Exploration of the mental aspects of sports and expectations for the future.
“I can't believe this man played like that and then turned around and talked about we.”
Discussion on Accountability in Sports
1:10:06 to 1:11:00
Exploring the importance of accountability among athletes.
“You know, because it should piss him off to the point to where he should be.”
Discussion on Accountability in Sports
1:12:41 to 1:13:30
Exploring the importance of accountability among athletes.
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Transcript
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8:05Shannon Sharpe:I failed at my goal. I did not achieve what I wanted to achieve, but I learned the most about myself and make the greatest amount of increase in my career when I fail and I don't get what I want. I look at the, I look at this no different. Uh, I didn't get to where I wanted to go this season. There's a reason for that. Now I have to look, uh, for that reason and try to make sure it never happens again. Joe in the regular season Shea averaged 31.1 per game on 55 % shooting and he shot 39 % from three during the postseason uh excuse me in this in this series he averaged 26 points a game on 41 % shooting on 29 % from three now everybody wanted to jump on me last night because they played well that one game and I said okay Joe if you all concede that to you you not you'd like you I want to push back on you a little bit.
8:59Shannon Sharpe:I said, okay, I can see that. I said, but Joe, there's no way people can think that he played well in this series. He shot 14 % less from the field than what he shot in the regular season. He shot 10 % less from three than what he shot in the regular season. And he scored five fewer points. Under what scenario can you say Shea had a great series? Take, we'll deal with Chet in just a second. we're going to set him aside just for this because he I love the way he looked at his approach where he says look my ultimate goal was to win an MVP win a championship with another finals MVP that's my ultimate goal one of those three things happened after the other two did not I can't look at this as a successful season although some might Joe what do you like what did you what do you think about what he had to say and what do you think about the series he just had
9:53Chad Johnson:I love the fact that he took the accountability and put it on himself. You know, that's what the great ones do, bro. They don't deflect. They don't blame. They point right at themselves. Man, I got to be better. I should have been better. And the fact that he had high standards. I mean, listen, back-to-back MVP just coming off winning a title. Yeah, it's a failure, bro. Because to him, because to Shea, he felt like they were the best team. He felt like they really had a chance to do something special, and that was to win back-to-back championships. But they came up short. Give San Antonio credit.
10:29Chad Johnson:But, no, he did not have a great series. He did not. I thought San Antonio took the challenge to try and slow him down and hold him below his average, which they did. Give San Antonio credit. They did a great job. But I understand where Shade's coming from. No, this wasn't up to his standards, bro. and the accountability that he put on himself, I respect it so much, which is why I'm a huge fan of him.
10:55Shannon Sharpe:Because when you look at it, Joe, you say, well, Shannon, he only scored five points, but look at the percentage that it took him just to get to that.
11:04Chad Johnson:Think about it.
11:05Shannon Sharpe:Let that sink in for just a second. He shot 55%, and a lot of his shots are the shots that he was making in this series. Yeah. Well, you see him making tough 18, 19, 20-footers. he was getting to the if you think about it in that concern hold on wait a minute you mean to tell me this man shot 14 percent less for what he normally shoots from the floor 10 percent less and he had five points fewer i can see possibly why they struggle because even if chet played as bad as he did and i just bring chet just for this and i'm gonna yeah yeah yeah if shea plays like he plays in the regular season joe i'm still not sure they don't win this series hold on hold on
11:47Chad Johnson:but you got to look at San Antonio. They ain't got no shabby guards out there. Meaning when I say shabby, I'm talking about from Fox to Castle to Basile to Champagne. Those dudes, it's no weak link defensively. They all can score, and they all sit in their chair and play defense. Give them credit on what they've done to Shea, how they bottled him up, how they made everything tough, how they made his catcher stuff, how they made all his shots tough. He had to take and make tough shots, bro. And then you got this alien behind them. If I do get by you, hell, I can't even really look at the goal. You know what I mean?
12:24Chad Johnson:I got to become a passer. So I think I'm giving a lot of credit to the Spurs. I'm giving a lot of credit to the Spurs because they are an elite defensive team, and they showed it throughout this series.
12:36Shannon Sharpe:But what about MVPs? If MVPs only succeed against marginal or average players, why are they MVP? considering he think about it how few times there have been back-to-back mvps even right times they've been back-to-back mvps with back-to-back titles that's what makes them so great that's why you get a jordan that's why you get a lebron that's why it ain't that many you get a magic johnson think about how many guys have won regular season mvp back-to-back and finals MVP back-to-back. There's a reason. That's not just an arbitrary thing. You think about it. LeBron was the last to do it. Then you go Jordan, and I think Magic did it in 87 and 88.
13:25Shannon Sharpe:If I'm not mistaken, don't quote me, but I think Magic won 87 and 88 because he won his third MVP, if I'm not mistaken, in 90. So when you look at it, no, Jordan snuck one in there. So Magic might have didn't win back-to-back. he might have didn't win back he might have not won back-to-back regular season mvps and finals mvps i know lebron did in 12 and 13 and i know george right so we've got okay yes i want to give i want to give san antonio deserve a boatload of credit but the reason why a d uh an mvp is that a lot of times more times than not joe he's able to rise above that that's how he He gets the award.
14:07Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead, Joe.
14:09Shannon Sharpe:Finish up. Go ahead, Joe. Go ahead, finish up.
14:12Chad Johnson:I think with Shea, when you look at him, though, he's not a real big physical opposing guy. I think his talent is really from sure will and hard work, meaning, you know, yes, he takes and make tough shots. But, man, OKC ran up into a team, bro, who was just prepared. And it's different in the postseason when I can prepare and study. Yeah, and I can prepare and study your movements. I know your personnel super well. I understand patterns and how you move and what you do when you come off the pick and roll. What your size up is like in isolation, what you're trying to get to. Bro, they studied this man.
14:55Chad Johnson:They studied this man and went out and perfected the game plan against OKC. Like, damn, we know shade ahead of the snake, man. if we could just slow him down a little bit. I ain't saying stop him. Just slow him down a little bit to where we're able to be effective on him, and I thought they'd done a hell of a job. Ocho?
15:19You say you shot 55 % during the regular season, huh? You think about the difference. Game to game, week to week, city to city, you're always playing somebody different. there's a certain level of comfort is you're able to study for a game or a team or a player for that specific week. Now we talk about a seven-game series. I think that that would be the difference. I would think in understanding on why he didn't shoot as well as he did during the regular season as opposed to the playoffs. Now on top of that, he's playing against some of the best defenders in the game. Collectively as a team, not just one individual, not just two individuals, you got three of them that he has to deal with, you know, on both ends of the court, offensively and defensively.
16:10So I think I kind of agree with Joe in a little bit, and I understand what you're saying as well, is there are not very many back-to-back teams because regardless of the circumstance, regardless of the scenario, they always rise to the occasion. But in this instance, in this series, he just wasn't able to on how great those three those three players were alongside having goddamn
16:33Shannon Sharpe:wimby as well i just i just think sometimes when we when we we like players we give them the benefit of the doubt uh uh because of said now kobe scores five percent less so i mean score five point less shoots 14 % less, 10 % less, are we still saying, oh, Detroit's a great team? Or are we going to criticize Kobe? Because that's what happened.
17:03Chad Johnson:We're going to criticize him. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, and listen, if you can't, if OKC, if Shea doesn't have a consistent number two in this postseason, fellas, he has to, you know, hope that guys come along for the ride. He don't know who's going to explode from game to game. He just has to be consistent. I think that was the toughest part for him because it's like, damn, I'm going to have to take a lot of these tough shots, but I got to hope that somebody comes along with this ride, somebody catches hot because we need a number two or even a third guy to step up and help out with scoring for the productivity of the offensive side of the ball.
17:46Chad Johnson:And I just thought it was a lot of inconsistency in that aspect. So, therefore, if I only know I really got to worry about Shea, Uncle Ojo, and the rest of these guys, I'm going to live with some of those results. You know what I mean? And I just thought that's what OKC kind of, you know, ran into against the Spurs team.
18:05Shannon Sharpe:If you look at him, and I don't think he was very pleased with the way he played last year in the finals. He mentioned that. He mentioned that he did not play up to his regular season. The way he played in the regular season. In the regular season last year, he averaged 32.7. So he was down two points in the finals versus the regular season. He was down eight percentage points from the field goal percentage. He was down, what did he shoot from the three? I think he shot like 36, 37 % from the three. So he was down 13 % from that. So are we going to see, we overlook some, see what we do is that we overlook those numbers that were substantially down because they won.
18:47Shannon Sharpe:now we critique them a little more harshly we like well damn when you really think about it damn okay uh look i don't i think in the regular season i mean i don't really look at shea as a three-point shooter joe do you i mean i don't i don't think his average is high it's like in the hot in the mid in the mid to the high 30s because he's not a volume three-point shooter say like a Steph Curry or some of these other guys right so he makes me he go three or seven you know three or eight that's going to keep you at a nice percentage but you know I'm saying and sometimes he might go he might go two for five but he's not a volume guy he's not looking to get up eight to ten to twelve threes a game he's not like the Celtics guys or or or the Cavaliers some of these guys like that look he's a phenomenal player and I think the thing is Joe what happens is, is that when you critique a player's performance, people automatically assume you're trying to diminish what he's already done.
19:49Shannon Sharpe:No, he's a two-time finals MVP. I mean, two-time regular season MVP. He's done that. He's a finals MVP. He's done that. He's a four-time first-team all-NBA selection. He's done that. But I think in order for us to do our job, nightcap collectively, we have to look like, well, Joe, when you look at it, man, 26 points. and just think if he didn't shoot that 52 53 percent yesterday joe he was gonna be under 40
20:18Chad Johnson:which is crazy you're right he's a he's a rhythm guy more more so midi and once he get his mid-range going and get his you know driving to the basket going the lane starts to open up and guys start to sag off, then that's when he'll sidestep you, shoot the injury, step back. His first couple shots ain't going to be no three.
20:41Shannon Sharpe:He's not looking to get the three going. I don't know if I've seen him, Joe, and I've watched him probably about five to eight times in the regular season, and I've watched all their playoff games. I don't know if I've seen him open up with a three. No. That ain't what he do.
20:57Chad Johnson:He's trying to apply pressure early. You know what I mean? He's trying to get in the paint. It's almost like a big guy. He want his first shot or first touch kind of close by the basket. As close to the basket as he can get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then we open that up. We open that up. And then, look, they start sagging off. When they least expect it, I sidestep him, you know, and get one off. But for the most part, nah, he going to make you play him honest. He going to make you back up first.
21:22Shannon Sharpe:And I love the part, Ocho, what I love is that the game plan they had yesterday and Shea got it going in that second and third quarter. And it said, hey, if... I turned off news altogether. I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.
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24:47Shannon Sharpe:If he can take and make enough of those, we just throw our hands up and say we get everything we possibly can. We live with that. I don't believe with the amount of pressure that we're applying on him on both ends of the court, because we're going to make his ass guard too. We got to guard his ass. Yeah. We're going to make his ass guard too. Y 'all go at it. Whoever has the ball, do not be afraid to go at Shea.
25:10Chad Johnson:Absolutely. And that's why.
25:12Shannon Sharpe:And so now, you saw him late in the ballgame. You saw that chest going up and down. You saw those hands on those shorts. And now, he realizes, so what'd he do? He start pump faking, trying to get guys to jump, lead their feet. Now he leads into them to go to the free throw line. The ref ain't falling for it. He got him a couple of times. And I tweet up, hey, he getting tired. So he going to pump faking. He ain't going to his natural shot where he dive and just go straight up with it. That ain't what he was doing. He would dive and then pump because he felt those legs starting to get a little weary.
25:44Shannon Sharpe:they did a great job of hounding him and if you get to 45 making tough 18 to 20 footers, Joe, ain't nothing I can do ain't nothing I can do bro, look at it, did you see the shots that man was making? it's like if I blitzed a quarterback, Ocho and I hit him, and I hit him, and I hit him and he completes those passes it's like, guys, we sacked him seven times you just gotta live It's kind of like when Joe Burrow had that magical run through the playoffs. The Tennessee Titans sacked him nine times. But when he needed to put a drive together to get them in field goal range, he made every throw. He looked down the barrel of the gun, and then when they hit him under his chin, they hit him in his chest, he stood there.
26:29Shannon Sharpe:I ain't nothing I can do, guys. Kansas City sacked him. The Rams, even though he lost, look at the pressure that they applied. Sometimes you just got to say, you know what? I did all I could do. I ain't got nothing, I ain't got nothing. I fired all my bullets, hell I threw the gun, and I just took off running, that's all I had left.
26:50Chad Johnson:Hey, analytics say that those 18, 19 foot jump shots, those are the worst shots in basketball. That's analytically. That's why they say they either want a three-parter or a dunk a damn layup. You're right, Joe. You know what I mean? and I think speaking of Shea yeah I thought he got tired but he also was shooting such a great percentage that he made them jump. You know what I mean? He was making shots last night. They like damn we gotta get up on him. So that's why those pump fakes started to come into play and they started to work. I thought Shea done what he could bro. But does he deserve the criticism?
27:31Chad Johnson:Yeah. Because the standards are high for him. You know when you're an MVP, two time MVP one-time champion and you're back-to-back MVP yeah man the standards gonna be high and you think you think about it too Uncle Joe you think about the accolades and the resume and what he's done so far early on in his career and we hold him to a certain standard based on what we've seen based on what he's already done well hell based on when you hear him talk how many times do you hear a player take take um accountability and hold themselves to that exact same standard and he made no excuses. Yeah. No excuses.
28:07And this goes back to when, I forgot what game it was, they asked him, what can Shett do more of? Remember they asked him that question? Yeah. And he didn't really have an answer?
28:20Chad Johnson:Yeah. And I think having someone else with J. Will being out, having Shett come along and being able to take some of that pressure off of him, I think this series would have been it might not have won but it would have been a lot different if she had just showed up a little bit more
28:39Shannon Sharpe:they got some decisions Joe you know Kaysom Watson is doing an extension
28:46Shannon Sharpe:yeah we had a conversation earlier and Joe you looked at me like I had four hairs and 17 eyes I said Joe what do you think about if they were to move if they were to move on from J-Dub you're like oh come on now
29:05Shannon Sharpe:How you Are you Are you willing to let Cason Wallace walk You can't sign But one of your You got three first round picks You can only sign one You about You a small market team And I understand Ocho say when you win You keep it Bud But you know them billionaires They don't like to shell out No 200 million No 300 million Joe Yeah
29:26Chad Johnson:Yeah I really know it Especially if you're a Hey Joe How do B &S feel if you already won one you already won a championship i'll tell you how they feel
29:35Shannon Sharpe:the celtics felt so good about them winning a championship he sold the damn team that's how great he felt about it he said let me go ahead get up let me go ahead and get my ocho you say when you go to the table you win a little bit you take your money yes yeah oh yeah oh yeah so the boss we just won the championship I can keep trying to run it back and win more and spend two three hundred million dollars or I can just go ahead and take my six and a half billion when I only pay three four hundred five hundred six hundred million now I'm good I'll let y 'all figure that out yeah he got out while it was hot so that's the thing that's the fine line that you gotta walk because okay Joe I'm winning a championship but damn I keep staying in that damn secondary apron man I think tearing my ass up
30:29Chad Johnson:yeah yeah yeah hey you gotta figure out I think for OKC cause you gotta have scoring bro in that starting lineup as much as I love Lou Dort as how hard is he how hard he plays it's gonna be hard bro when you don't have people who can relieve pressure off Shea and you putting so much on his shoulders for him to carry. And you ain't got but two offensive threats in your starting lineup. That's hard. Because the West is so tough. The game, the NBA game has changed so much that, hell, if you can't score the ball, if you can't shoot the ball, it's hard to play your ass. It is.
31:11Shannon Sharpe:It is.
31:11Chad Johnson:It's hard to play. Because, so they got go ahead, Joe, go ahead. They got to figure that part out because it was so glaring in this series. And obviously, we're giving San Antonio, you know, all the – Deserving respect.
31:28Shannon Sharpe:Loving respect. That they've earned. Yes.
31:30Chad Johnson:But, man, when you ain't got but two guys in your star lineup who can score the ball, fellas, hey, man, you got to reevaluate some things because guess what? San Antonio is going to be here for another 10, 15 years.
31:44Shannon Sharpe:Guys, y 'all need to refresh or restart your browser because everything is good to go on our end. Joe and I and Ocho and I, we can communicate. So I think it's guys on your end. I don't think it's on our end. And the thing, Joe, is getting now that it's getting harder and harder, even if you're defensive liability, it's getting harder and harder for you to play unless you're so extraordinary offensively.
32:11Chad Johnson:Yeah. The thing that made this series is that everybody really could defend.
32:21Shannon Sharpe:yeah that was the thing so just imagine if you could defend and you couldn't defend i don't know how you play in the series because everybody for the most part especially from the guards could take you off the bounce every guard from okc could take you off the bounce every guard from san antonio could take you off the bounce yes uh if you couldn't defend i can't
32:43Chad Johnson:play you it's really that simple absolutely yeah yeah i mean look fellas we're looking at the two of the best defensive teams in the NBA this year. Yeah. Staying in San Antonio or OKC. So it didn't surprise me defensively how gritty both of these teams were, how disciplined they were on defense. It was the offensive end that we didn't really know who was – like even for San Antonio, although Castle was great, Harper was great, you know, Fox was a little inconsistent at times. Champagny made shots a couple games. Vassell made shots, didn't make shots. But the biggest difference for San Antonio, bro, they got so many guys who can score the basketball.
33:24Chad Johnson:So, okay, it's cool if two, three of our guys ain't making shots. Well, hell, we got one who can put up 43 and 24 points. You know, you catch another 25, 30 from Castle or Harper, it's just so much, and they're so young. Such a hell of a series, bro. The Thunder really, really. because they got so many assets, Uncle Ocho the Thunder, that they got a great problem that they ran into.
33:53Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, they got a great problem, bro. I still believe they should have started Kaysom Wallace instead of Dort. They've got to get more. Oh, Joe, they're playing 5-4 offensively, though.
34:08Chad Johnson:They started Kaysom Wallace.
34:10Shannon Sharpe:Dort, I can't start Dort. I might have to go. I got to get more production, Joe. I got to.
34:18Chad Johnson:Yeah, I agree.
34:20Shannon Sharpe:Think about what they're going with. They had all five of their guys in double figures, and they cooking from the jump. And so if he's not really neutralizing anybody and he's not giving me anything offensively, Joe, how do I give him those kind of minutes? He's a liability. You know, and that's damn near almost not fair to the door too, huh?
34:41Chad Johnson:What you mean? because he's never been an offensive weapon you know he's always a liability on offense he's there because of what he's able to do defensively now that comes on the onus of one of your other players who's on a MAAC contract him not showing up now because he's not showing up now we talk about Dort being a liability offensively when that's something he's never been
35:05Shannon Sharpe:I think it's a serious thing Ocho when you look at okay how does things match up okay I gotta look okay I'm hoping I'm hoping that Chad's going to give us what he gave us in the regular season I can hope that Hartenstein is going to be Hartenstein we don't run plays for Hartenstein we'll lob it, we'll dish it down to him he'll hustle guy, he'll get some extra points he'll give us some second chance possessions and he'll give us he'll get a rebound and dunk it back but I don't really have to run a set for him it's the same thing for Dort I don't really run sets for Dort but when I got those guys when I got Champagne and I got Vassell and I got Fox and I got Harper and I got Kelton Johnson and I got Carter Bryant.
35:45Shannon Sharpe:They got six guys that can take you off the bounce. All six of those guys can defend. Now all of them can't defend at the same level, but they can defend. The problem is that the disparity with the scoring is such a drop off. Yeah, it is. It's like you get three points, you get four points. Joe, the other We had a bat when he scored less than five points. He had five points in the second quarter and he scored another one.
36:21Chad Johnson:Hey, I think, hey, listen. I think with Lou Dort, if y 'all remember, y 'all know game one, he started off on Wimby and Wimby got off to that great start on the net. And he ended up having that 41 and 20. Ever since then, he didn't, I mean, he guarded him at times, but it wasn't his main assignment. We started to see Hardenstein guard him and be ultra physical. That's what they should have started.
36:42Shannon Sharpe:I don't know. Yeah. Joe, come on now. You got to see. I don't know how tall. Let's just say he's 6 '4". Joe, really? You going to start a guy that's 6 '4", on a guy that got a whole foot advantage? And probably a 10-inch from span to span advantage on that. So what is he going to do?
37:01Chad Johnson:Be physical. Be physical. Be physical with him. Push him around and wear him down. Hell, that's what I think OKC was thinking at first. but then it was such a disparity when he started on the low block. Hell, they were just throwing it up. He was just catching it, dunking over it.
37:18Shannon Sharpe:You know what I mean? And the ball come off on the rebound. What was he doing? Just right on the top. Give me that right there.
37:26Shannon Sharpe:So, look, I love what Shea had to say. He put their onus on himself just like he did last year. He won last year. He said, but I don't think I played my best basketball. my job is to go back to the drawing board and see where I can be better in which I will he followed it up with another MVP season he didn't complete the mission which was get back because now you start getting to that elite elite company where you start talking back back to back regular season MVPs back to back finals MVPs there ain't been a whole lot of them there have not been a whole lot of them no they've been back to back regular season MVPs but to run that gauntlet Joe and to run that thing back
38:19Chad Johnson:gotta be special you know what's funny and the fact that it's almost unfair to him how well he's played Uncle Joe because now we hold him to a certain standard based on what he's done in the past we're expected to look like you've done it in the past so when you don't as you look this series shooting a lower percentage, 55 in the regular season. And then what was he? What was he this series? 41%. 41%. You know, for sure. Hell, some players in the NBA shooting 41%. I mean, hey, that'd be good. That'd be great. But the standard that he said is so high, we're being critical of him because he's not getting any help.
38:59Shannon Sharpe:That's what happens. And then obviously, you compare him to his great self. Yeah. He did that. He could have been marginal and average 19 to 20, Joe. And guess what? We wouldn't even bat a knife.
39:14Chad Johnson:Right.
39:15Shannon Sharpe:But he went to the gym. He got better because he felt that, you know what? Yes, I'm in the NBA and I'm playing. I'm starting. But I think I can get to another level. Let me see. And ta-da. So now that is the level that he'll be held to even as he starts to get older, the level he'll be held to is a 26, 27-year-old Shea that won back-to-back MVPs and a finals MVP. That's what he's going to be. He's not going to be compared to these other guys that's going to come along and be great. You get compared, great players get compared to their younger self. Wow. Is it fair?
40:02Chad Johnson:whether it's fair or not it is what it is right i i listen okay so you gotta you know in this series bro i think they got off to slow starts and damn they did and that i mean if even the game even game three and san antonio when san antonio jumped out on them and they came back and walked them down and won the game yeah yeah bro i mean oh you might be on to something about the lute dork situation it's just when you don't have scoring in those positions at that small forward and two guard position bro it's it's it's challenging man and i thought i thought the the way the injuries stacked up against okc with jay dub and aj mitchell being out man it was so much put on shape bro it was it was it was almost gonna be impossible for him to operate the way he's operated during the regular season because of the attention that's put on him it's like yeah we ain't got to worry about these other damn guys.
40:59Chad Johnson:We'll see if they can make shots. And I thought that's what OKC ran into. I mean, every game this series, bro, even the games they won, I think they got off to slow starts in the first quarter.
41:10Shannon Sharpe:And what that does, Joe and Ocho, is that it takes so much out of you just to catch up. Then when you catch up, do I have enough still in the tank to get over the finish line?
41:21Chad Johnson:To sustain.
41:22Shannon Sharpe:Think about it because they were down for the large part of the game. and even though they caught him and went up, they couldn't really get that separation.
41:30Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah.
41:31Shannon Sharpe:And it seemed like, and like Shea said, Shea said like, bro, we caught up with him and they made big shot after big shot and they did.
41:40Chad Johnson:Big shot. Champagne made big shot after big shot.
41:43Shannon Sharpe:Dylan Harper made big shot after big shot. Vassell made big shot after big shot. He did. They did. And then Wimby hit a three. Wimby's like, I'm going to go, nah, hell nah. Damn that. Take this. I just think the thing is, Joe, I love what they have, but at some point in time, when you continuously start low, slow, and you constantly have to run so hard just to catch back up, how much do I have? Because if I know I got a kicker, I got to get out to it. I'm going to make you run. Because I know if I keep the game close, you can kick on the end. yeah the kenyans did uh uh what's the guy's name
42:30Shannon Sharpe:el garush go back and look it up and see what the kenyans did they took the pace out they said we know we can't keep reaching but we're gonna keep the we're gonna keep the pace and they just alternated they're like i don't care if i win the goal we're gonna take you down our job is to make sure you don't win goal i might win my countryman might win goal somebody else like you not gonna win it so what they're doing is that they're getting out of that pace and say man look here we know Lou Dort what a help always coming from Joe how many they're like he ain't gonna make enough of those rainbow threes to beat us yeah he not Lou Dort ain't gonna give you no 20 points Lou Dort's not gonna give you 30 so I can't help off him if you notice they started to shine away because at first they was helping off Caruso.
43:22Shannon Sharpe:And Caruso cooked them. They said, Doc, wrong answer. They said, hey, wrong answer. Hey, how you doing, Lou? Nice to meet you. Shoot all you like.
43:36Chad Johnson:Yeah. You ain't going nowhere. Right. When you look at the championship teams, to win multiple titles, you have to continue to tweak your roster a little bit. You know what I mean? And you have to be willing to make some uncomfortable decisions. And I think this is what San Antonio has ran into. They're going to have to get rid of a couple of those I mean, yeah, OKC. They're going to have to get rid of a couple of those guys, man. You know, with all these draft picks that they have and the fact that there's some veteran guys who are out there who they feel like can probably help them. They're in a great position, man.
44:16Chad Johnson:If I'm OKC, I ain't that pissed off. You know what I mean? Like, I can make some changes to where we can be right back there. Now, San Antonio going to get better, though. Yes. They going to get better. And guess what, Joe?
44:29Shannon Sharpe:In a couple of years, they going to have these same damn problems. Because they going to have Dylan Harper up for a contract. They going to have Castle up for a contract. They going to have Wimby up for a monster contract.
44:40Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah.
44:41Shannon Sharpe:And Bissell says, hey, slide your boy a little paper now. You know what I'm saying? I got a little compound out here, but I'm going to need y 'all to slide or something now.
44:53Chad Johnson:Hey, listen. I got a question to you. Go ahead, Ocho. I like that y 'all said that, right? Is the Thunder has some very tough decisions. Now, obviously, you want to keep the main thing, the main thing, your nucleus. What is your nucleus, though? You know Shea is one. He's not going anywhere. You got to have one more going behind him now.
45:14Shannon Sharpe:I'm not going to be surprised, Ocho and Joe, if one of those guys aren't moved. J-Dub or Chet.
45:21Chad Johnson:Or Chet.
45:22Shannon Sharpe:One of them going to get moved. Well, based on what we saw from Chet, wouldn't he be the answer? I'm just saying, but they look at that like, hey. Hold on, wait, hold on. You know what you get from J-Dub when he's in. If he's not in, you know what he going to give you. Regardless of the competition, regardless of who he's playing, he's consistent at what he does. Chet is the only one that's been up and down. Listen, I'm not saying he's relaxed, he's been paid already, or he's content, but, I mean, he's playing Wimby. Hey, Joe, let me ask you a question. I'm going to put your GM hat on. If we gave Wallace those minutes that we give J-Dub, how you think he'll look?
46:04Chad Johnson:I think he'll look good. But why you can't play both of them, though?
46:09Shannon Sharpe:I can't play both of them. That's why I can't play both of them. they say in some African country or Muslim countries you can have as many wives as you like as long as you can afford them
46:26Shannon Sharpe:I only got so many goats, sheep, cattle that I can trade the dad with
46:33Chad Johnson:I think they're two different players though like Kaysom Wallace is a defender knock down shot you know he can knock down shot he can run the picker i think he's a hell of a player yeah j-dub is an all-star i think he's he's an all nba caliber yes and we we don't take into consideration that the dude couldn't even play in this series man like you know i think we take for granted what he brought to the okc thunder last playoff yeah you know and for them to have to go through this playoff run without him man it was it's challenge it's gonna be hard for them to win. They need it. I think when you look at Check, he not only needs Shea, but to have J-Dub alongside of him to take some of that pressure off him, and then he can just kind of, you know, be in the weeds and have good games here and there.
47:23Chad Johnson:But when you're depending on him every night, Ocho,
47:28Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, what
47:29Chad Johnson:we said in the field, the thing
47:32Shannon Sharpe:that will upset the Alphacar and the biggest killer of dreams expectations you see what you said joe shane and j-dub we got very little expected of chet now there is no j-dub there's more expected yeah well hold on it's only expected because we've seen him do it before if he's not if he had never done it before joe right it should never look good right his money for a reason. He got paid when he got four reasons. I got Shea and I got J-Dub. I'm the third option. So that means I'm getting the third best guy.
48:16Chad Johnson:I got to score on the
48:17Shannon Sharpe:third best guy. I got to defend the third best guy. Now what happens when you got to defend? You got to defend and try to chase one of those small guards around. Or you got to deal with Wimby. And Wimby despised you because you beat him in the under-19 tournament and you got the MVP. and he took it personal. Took it personal. You seen Wimby's reaction? Yeah, I saw Wimby's reaction. Hey, boy, he was pissed.
48:47Chad Johnson:Hey, that's a good thing to have when you got a player like that, bro, who's pissed off about, you know, obviously not winning the MVP. Chick didn't even know it's somebody out there had beef with him the whole damn time. He didn't even know that. He tried to downplay.
49:05Shannon Sharpe:You know, it's my team against his team. No, it's me against you. He's on one team. I'm on another team. And guess what? Yes, I want all the smoke. Oh, you're a cornerback. You're a safety. You're a linebacker. Okay, yeah. It's a game within a game. Yeah, I know it's the Broncos versus the Chiefs. But it's me against your punk ass, too, while you're at it. So it's two games being played. Absolutely. Just so you know it. Absolutely. It's just like you're going to play. If you ever get on the treadmill, somebody's got to run it. They got their incline at two. They going about four miles an hour.
49:42Shannon Sharpe:I hit my 2.5. I'm going 4.5. Can you jack yours up to three? I go mine 3.2. We competing, B. Just so you know, we competing. Hey, he was scared of that competition. Of course. Yeah, that's the way he played. He shied away from everything. He shied away from everything and moments where it mattered most.
50:10Chad Johnson:And that's what made it worse, Ocho. Because if you don't take it to him, hell, you play right into his damn hands. You know what I mean? It's just like, I don't give a damn because he done blocked your shot a time or two. Man, you got to keep going at that man Nick, bro. You know what I mean? Because the times that I thought Chick were catching the ball, he wasn't even looking at the goal, man. I heard a clip today
50:35Shannon Sharpe:they was throwing it and Tarika was saying is Chet going to get aggressive? that joke will pass the ball off I guess the answer was no I guess we got an answer Joe, no you know what, let's go ahead and talk about Chet I turned off news altogether I hate to say it but I don't trust much of anything it's the rage bait It feels like it's trying to divide people. If we got clear facts, maybe we can calm down a little. NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News, reporting for America. This is Martha Stewart from the Martha Stewart Podcast. Ever wonder how to make hosting look effortless?
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53:37Shannon Sharpe:Chet Holgren spoke about after the game about whether he's trying to make the matchup about him and Wimby. At the end of the day, it's always about us trying to win a basketball game. Us as collective, the Thunder team trying to win a basketball game, and that's what it's always going to be. Down the stretch, we gave ourselves a chance. We fought really hard. We just weren't able to put enough plays together to make it happen. A couple of our shots didn't go down. We just weren't able to convert. I'm going to have to go back and watch the tape, but I feel like where we were able to get a lot of really good shots and we really moved the ball well, we just weren't able to convert enough of them into points.
54:18Shannon Sharpe:Hold on. I thought Wimby was the only guy on the court that was from France doing all this weed. What do you mean weed? You, stop saying. See, you see the difference between Joe and Ocho, what Shea had to say and what he had to say. Go ahead, Joe.
54:40Chad Johnson:Yeah.
54:41Shannon Sharpe:Two different mentalities, Al.
54:43Chad Johnson:Yeah, two totally different. And accountability is everything, fellas. This is what we always talk about. This is why Shea is who he is. And Chick had to know, bro, that that man had smoke with him. Just by the competition level, you can tell when you walk out there on the court or previous interactions that we've been into, like, bro, you got to bring it tonight. Like, this man talk about how he want to win so bad, you know, he's willing to do any and everything. And he's playing like it. He didn't answer the call, fellas. He didn't answer the call. And I don't like all that we neither. I like me to take accountability and be like, bro, I got to be better.
55:24Shannon Sharpe:I didn't play. Guys, this one's on me. I didn't play well enough. I'm an all-NBA. I'm an all-defensive selection. And I didn't play like that on either end of the ball court. And this one's on me. I want to apologize to the Thunder fans. And I want to apologize to my teammates. Guys, I let you down. but I promise you if we're ever back in this situation again it will not happen you will be don't do all this we because guess what we ain't collect 240 million you did we weren't on the all-nba team you were right the difference is she accepts accountability he takes responsibility and that's how you grow but see to try to obfuscate and to try to place the base of a team No, no, no, no, no.
56:10Shannon Sharpe:What shot did you shot that didn't go down? You only shot the ball two times more than me, and I didn't get my big ass up off the couch.
56:16Chad Johnson:Right. Absolutely right, man. Hey, hey, what he needs to do is go into this summer, try to do whatever he can to beef up a little bit, but change his mindset and attitude, just work his ass off this summer, bro, and come back and try to be a huge difference maker. But I think they're going to look a little different. come next season. Yeah.
56:41Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, how you talking about you don't know? Boy, you know exactly who got back to beef with you. You already know who got beef with you. You done beat this man. This man has made it abundantly clear. Yeah. He go out his way. Hey, if we can see it. He saw it, too. If we can see it. Hey, if we ever go to the grocery store, you see somebody you don't want to see, and you pretend like you?
57:09Shannon Sharpe:Joe, you in the aisle, you know damn well you ain't looking for no spices. You up there looking at the spices. You look like damn. Doing everything you can not to see him. Chad, you ain't got no choice. He taller than you. So unless you looking at the ground, don't run. Oh, you looking for me? I'm looking for you too.
57:38Chad Johnson:I just
57:40Shannon Sharpe:ain't wired like that I'm on whatever you on what you on
57:46Chad Johnson:because you know what never lies the energy the energy never lies when you playing against your opponent you can feel that energy you know what I mean energy is the new currency fellas you know what I mean in no way in hell Chick didn't feel that when he was out there bro I felt it I'm sitting here watching no damn joke.
58:08Shannon Sharpe:Why every time Wimby get the ball, he go at your neck? Every time. He ain't looking to pass. Hey, if you watch Wimby, he get the ball on check. Get up. Why he do that to you?
58:22Chad Johnson:Because it's personal.
58:24Shannon Sharpe:He ain't want none of that. It's personal. You can pretend all you want to that, oh, it's a team. It is. It is a team game. but there are personal battles, individual battles within the team game. I like that. I like that. Yeah, Ocho against – it's the Bengals against the Ravens, but Ocho trying to cook Chris McAllister and Dwayne Stark. He knows in order for his team to have success, I've got to have success against these two mofos. There you go. Because if I don't, we ain't got no chance of winning. Right.
58:57Chad Johnson:Who we can't. Right. Game within the game.
59:01Shannon Sharpe:I got to win my individual battle. That's the number one thing. I got to win my individual battle. Hey, sometimes I got to block him. Sometimes I got to get a pass. Hey, whatever I got to do, I got to win. I got to win my battle in order to help my team win.
59:16Chad Johnson:Yeah.
59:16Shannon Sharpe:Oh, you thought you could play like some stir fry, and your team was going to win?
59:22Chad Johnson:Hell no. Hell no. Okay. Hey, hey. But he may have been thinking like that, considering that he playing with a two-time MVP. You know, I don't know. I don't know what he was thinking because I don't know how you play 33 minutes and only get up two shots. I don't know how you do that.
59:39Shannon Sharpe:Joe, don't when you play. Look, I play with an MVP. I know the level that he played at. I saw what he was doing. You think I could go out there and pull my pants down and crap on the field? I got to beat his level. Yeah, yeah. How in good conscience can you play next to that guy? And you see what this guy does, his routine on a day. This man just don't show up like that and ball at the game. You have to see this man approach every single effing day. And that's what you gave him. Boy, you ought to be embarrassed. As a matter of fact, what you should do, you should come in there and say, Hey, Shay, can you meet me tomorrow?
1:00:26Shannon Sharpe:Can I come over to your house? Yeah, what's up, Shay? Nah, I just want to talk to you about something. And you bring back every damn gift that he gave you with your head bowed. Don't look him in his eye. Hey, you got to chill.
1:00:40Chad Johnson:You got to chill. Hey, Joe, you coming with...
1:00:47Shannon Sharpe:Because you ain't worthy of having it, damn it. the motor scooters the golf clubs the watches bring that ish back the trench coat the trench coat too get the trench coat back hey hey hey i wouldn't even be able to let my teammates down i wouldn't even be able to let them down and just general even if i wasn't the main even i wasn't the main man and somebody else was and I know they are two-time MVP. I understand. I got to raise my level of play.
1:01:22Chad Johnson:Absolutely. Got to. Mentally, I'm wired differently. Absolutely, Ojo. Joe, mentally, you're wired differently. You ride to the Cajun. I don't care who I'm playing against. I don't care what happened when I was 19 years old. Yeah. Today, at our age, oh, boy, you got to get it. Now you're going to win them all? No, you're not going to win them all. Joe, you're going to lose some time. Yeah. but I'm not going to lose without giving no effort. But look, culturally, listen, culturally, fellas, that's who we are as people, right? As African-Americans. We kind of built like that. You know what I mean?
1:02:01Chad Johnson:Like, we want our get back. We going to get at you. We want all that. You know what I mean? Like, we want the smoke, bro. Everybody ain't built like that, man. Everybody ain't built like that.
1:02:12Shannon Sharpe:Man, look here. two plays that haunt me one haunts me more than the other but i remember in 91 i wasn't even i wasn't even the thought of it the guy that i was and i dropped a touchdown and it haunts me to this day yeah i can just imagine being the player as as you become more herald herald heralded it hurts you more when you don't perform it do well let me take that back if you give a damn if you give a damn I care far too much I invest far too much time I promise you anybody if I ever beat your ass one time in my life I believe I can do it again
1:03:01Chad Johnson:anybody
1:03:04Shannon Sharpe:that's what my brother stop playing me in basketball. I beat him. He's like, nah, I'm good, cuz. I'm good. And I don't quit. We fight every day. He get the best of me. But we gonna fight. I'm gonna get me a win. I can't believe Chet did this, man. I can't believe this man played like that and then turned around and talked about we. No. How about you? What did you do? What did you do?
1:03:37Chad Johnson:because I expected check to be the difference maker I mean what he made all defense yeah
1:03:46Shannon Sharpe:and he made 13 all NBA so he was a two way player yeah yeah
1:03:57Chad Johnson:you absolutely right man
1:03:59Shannon Sharpe:y 'all remember them CB's you come out and walk into hey hey brother brother. Yeah. 0077 Porter Wagner coming at you down the road. What is looking like up there? That's the only two way. His defense wasn't that good. Cause we'll be dunking on him left and right.
1:04:18Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah. He didn't have no big games. He didn't have not one big game. This is not one.
1:04:27Shannon Sharpe:I'm just, but it, it, it, it hurts me. I'm listening to this man talk. and this man ain't said I one time. How you gonna hold damn sentence and you ain't got nothing? The only time you said I, I'm gonna have to go back and watch the tape. I ain't never had to watch the tape, Ocho. You know what you did because you in the damn game.
1:04:52Chad Johnson:Hell, I don't wanna watch. If I play that bad, I don't wanna watch it neither. I already know what I gotta do. I'm going to the hide. There's nothing to watch either, Joe. Huh? Nothing to watch. You got two highlights. Yeah. You got two highlights. That's it. And they contributed nothing all series long. And played your worst game in game seven, where it mattered most. You going home. Yeah, you didn't even give yourself a fighting chance. That's my only thing, bro. I'm telling you, I can live with missed shots, but damn, not even trying, bro. Like, we got you out here just running down wind sprints.
1:05:27Chad Johnson:You're all NBA player. You're all, bro. We need you to take more than two damn shots. Yes.
1:05:35Shannon Sharpe:But Wimby, he see Wimby on him and hell, he was like, he looked at Wimby like when me and my brother was tussling and broke my grandma China cabinet. I already know ass couldn't come in Joe. I already know ass couldn't come in. Hey, hey, Spake man, what we gonna do? We can't, we can't, we can't, hey, the glass broke. She gonna see. Yeah. We can only stand in front of – we can only be in the kitchen for so long and have us – before she said, boy, why you in the kitchen? Get your ass out of this kitchen. You know you ain't –
1:06:10Chad Johnson:Yeah. Hey, Uncle Joe, he won't say it, but based on us watching, based on us playing the game at a high level, he was already beat mentally. He was already beat mentally, and you could tell by the way he played the game. Based on the way he played in the regular season, the way he played in this series, having to deal with Wimby, and Norm Wimby's there, Wimby took a soul. Wimby took a soul just based off competing alone, nothing else. He's not mentally wired to compete. Somebody going at him. I think this will be a defining moment for Chet, meaning he got to take this summer seriously, fellas, and he got to come back ready and prepared.
1:06:55Chad Johnson:That's the only way. I think Uncle Ojo, that's going to be one guy that's going to be hard for OKC to get rid of because he's so young. He made all defensive team, all NBA team, all star. It's going to be hard to get rid of that guy. Even if you said, damn, we can go get Giannis. Hey, you going to have Giannis for what, maybe two years? The thing is, Joe, is that if you watch his game,
1:07:22Shannon Sharpe:there's really no fluidity to it. it's almost like he's thinking while he's playing the game. His shot, I mean, he's going to, hey, look how slow his shot is. Look how slow it is, Joe. Yeah. It ain't nothing fluid. Ain't nothing smooth to his game.
1:07:48Chad Johnson:Hey, listen. They only play, y 'all do got to remember now, this the one team that really got their number. There ain't no other team can mess with OKC, bro. I think we kind of have a tendency to forget because they just played a seven-game series against the Spurs. But outside of San Antonio, I don't know if, I mean, yeah, if OKC has another team that will give them problems like the Spurs did.
1:08:17Shannon Sharpe:You're right.
1:08:17Chad Johnson:I'm not sure it is.
1:08:18Shannon Sharpe:You know why, though, Joe? You know why? because they were always able to hide him. He was always able to be helped. But what happens when you can't hide him?
1:08:31Shannon Sharpe:Joe, you grew up in the country, you know we had that clothesline in the back. Everything in one of the clotheslines said my grandma underwear, you hung those on the fence, he couldn't nobody see those. You know what I'm saying? Hey, everything else is up there. My grandma underwear, we hung those on the fence and hope the hogs didn't pull him down.
1:08:54Shannon Sharpe:So what happens when we can't hide it?
1:09:01Look,
1:09:03Chad Johnson:man, hey, hey, the man got to take a good look in the mirror, bro. Take some accountability. Try and do whatever he can to get better over the summer and come back prepared and be a different player come next season. Hold on. And the only problem is, hey, Joe, it's really not even being a different player, right? All right, it's about improving, about working on your game. It's about your toolbox. I'm sure he'll probably hear some of the things that you've had to say, maybe having a little bit more fluidity to your game, you know, but he doesn't struggle like this against anybody else except one person.
1:09:39One person. And y 'all going to meet each other again? Because you did say he's young, so the chance of him actually leaving OKC is probably not. If you put the GM hat on, you think about it.
1:09:48Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. He probably ain't going away. He probably going to be there. And they going to meet each other again. Guess who else he's also going to meet, Ocho and Joe? Who is that? He'll walk by the mirror every day. Oh, that's a good one. He going to meet that person every single day.
1:10:05Chad Johnson:That might be good for him, though. You know, because it should piss him off to the point to where he should be. he probably should be in the gym right now working. I'll wait the next day. Yeah, because he only shot.
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Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to SGA calling his MVP year a failure and Chet Holmgren ducking Wemby Rivalry
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00:00 - Introduction
05:12 - SGA calls MVP year a failure after Game 7 loss
44:50 - Chet Holmgren spoke after the game about him and Wemby
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