Nightcap Hour 1: Shannon RESPONDS to Micah Parsons COMMENTS + World Champion Boxer Franchon Crew-Dezurn JOINS Nightcap + Matt LeFleur DEFENDS Nathaniel Hackett HIRE as OC

19 Feb 2026 · 1 h 9 min · 34 chapters

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Podcast Title: Nightcap Episode Title: Nightcap Hour 1: Shannon RESPONDS to Micah Parsons COMMENTS + World Champion Boxer Franchon Crew-Dezurn JOINS Nightcap + Matt LeFleur DEFENDS Nathaniel Hackett HIRE as OC Hosts: Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson Episode Release: [Date not provided in the transcript]

Episode Description In this episode, Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson delve into the latest sports headlines. They respond to Micah Parsons' comments regarding Shannon's role as an analyst, welcome world champion boxer Franchon Crew-Dezurn to discuss her upcoming fight, and analyze Matt LaFleur's defense of Nathaniel Hackett's hiring as offensive coordinator.

Key Topics Discussed

  1. Micah Parsons' Comments
  2. Context: Micah Parsons appeared on "Funny Marco’s" podcast, making controversial remarks about sports analysts, including Shannon.
  3. Key Quotes from Parsons:
  4. Expressed disdain for analysts who criticize players without playing the game themselves.
  5. Stated he doesn't want to be a puppet for media narratives.
  6. Shannon's Response:
  7. Emphasizes his right to criticize players based on performance, particularly in high-stakes games.
  8. Highlights Parsons' impressive regular-season stats but notes his playoff performance has not met expectations.
  9. Argues that analysis should reflect the reality of a player's performance, not just their past accolades.
  1. Interview with Franchon Crew-Dezurn
  2. Guest Introduction: Franchon is a world champion boxer preparing for a fight against Claressa Shields.
  3. Fight Discussion:
  4. Franchon claims she is prepared for the rematch against Shields, citing a lack of preparation time in their previous encounter.
  5. Discusses her training regimen and mental readiness for the fight.
  6. Emphasizes her determination to win and make a mark in women’s boxing.
  1. Matt LaFleur's Defense of Nathaniel Hackett
  2. Topic Overview: LaFleur defends hiring Nathaniel Hackett as offensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals despite Hackett's turbulent coaching history.
  3. Ocho's Viewpoint:
  4. Criticizes the decision, calling it a poor choice based on Hackett's past failures as a head coach and offensive coordinator.
  5. Discusses the tendency of coaches to hire friends or those within their coaching network, regardless of past performance.

Key Takeaways

  • Player Accountability: The hosts stress the importance of players being accountable for their performances, especially in critical games.
  • Media Criticism: Shannon reasserts that while criticism may seem harsh, it's often justified based on player expectations.
  • Women's Boxing Impact: Franchon Crew-Dezurn's fight symbolizes the growing prominence and competitiveness of women in boxing.
  • Coaching Dynamics: The episode highlights issues within NFL coaching hires, especially regarding nepotism and loyalty over merit.

Conclusion This episode of Nightcap engages listeners with a mix of sports commentary and personal insights from both Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson, while also featuring an inspiring conversation with Franchon Crew-Dezurn. The discussions not only entertain but also provoke thought on accountability in sports and the dynamics of coaching within the NFL.

Additional Information Listeners are encouraged to subscribe to the Nightcap podcast and check out the PrizePicks app to engage in sports predictions.

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Franchon Cruz-Dezurn Joins the Show

7:20 to 10:40

Discussion about upcoming boxing matches and guest introduction.

“if you cannot find it in a state or city near you.”

Analyzing Micah Parsons' Comments

10:40 to 14:00

Hosts discuss Micah Parsons' statements and their implications.

“Like, motherfuckers be trying to tell you how to play the game.”

Micah Parsons Performance Analysis

14:00 to 15:00

Analyzing Micah Parsons' recent performance and its implications for the Cowboys.

“So Micah, me saying, Micah is a phenomenal player.”

Expectations vs. Reality for Micah

15:00 to 16:00

Discussing the disparity between Micah's regular season and playoff performances.

“Michael Parsons is a phenomenal player, but in order for the Cowboys to be better, he needs to be better.”

Cowboys Fans and Delusion

16:00 to 17:00

Exploring the mindset and expectations of Cowboys fans over the years.

“He also said you know, he don't want to, you know, you don't like anybody disliking a fan base.”

Team Dynamics and Defensive Needs

17:00 to 18:00

Analyzing the Cowboys' current roster and defensive needs for improvement.

“And listen, one thing, Yeah, one thing they will do.”

Accountability in High-Pressure Situations

18:00 to 19:00

Discussing accountability among players in crucial playoff games.

“That can be an intricate part of your foundation, you know, in the secondary.”

The Importance of Playoff Performance

19:00 to 20:00

The significance of performing well in playoffs for a player's legacy.

“For those that have platforms, it makes the voices and the things that they say that much louder.”

Constructive Criticism in Sports

20:00 to 21:00

The necessity of constructive criticism and its perception by players.

“And we don't play based on what we're used to seeing.”

Greatness and Accountability

21:00 to 22:00

Linking greatness in sports to accountability and expectations set by players.

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Micah's Individual Performance vs. Team Goals

22:00 to 23:00

Discussing the balance between individual performance and team success.

“going to split with his teammates, how much money is he going to split with that teammates that Green Bay gave him?”

Media Responsibilities in Sports Analysis

23:00 to 24:00

Understanding the media's role and responsibilities when critiquing players.

“saw in the regular season, why isn't he showing up in the postseason?”

The Nature of Criticism in Football

24:00 to 25:00

Examining how players should handle criticism in the sport.

“I'm trying to be as fair as I possibly can because I don't believe because you've had a bad playoff game that you are a bad player.”

Expectations for Star Players

25:00 to 26:00

Expectations placed on star players and their impact on performance.

“I try to be as fair as I possibly can in my critique of analysts when I put my analyst hat on Ojo.”

Addressing Criticism: A Player's Perspective

26:00 to 27:00

How players perceive and address criticism from the media and fans.

“It's more so directed to him because it's more of – it's explanation in being critical of him, but it seems a lot more personal, especially when it comes from someone that has never played the game.”

The Nature of Competition in Sports

28:00 to 28:46

Explore how competition mirrors life and impacts performance in sports.

Interview with Franchon Crews-Dezurn

32:22 to 35:13

Franchon discusses her upcoming fight and preparation strategies.

“Unfortunately, you're not going to be able to do that all the time.”

The Importance of Women's Boxing

35:13 to 37:31

Franchon shares her perspective on women's boxing history and impact.

“When you are great, you're an athlete, you're determined, that will take you further from boxing, football, whatever.”

Franchon's Aspirations and Legacy

37:31 to 38:46

Discussion on Franchon's legacy and future ambitions in boxing.

“What would, taking down Clarissa, whether you win by decision or you win by knockout, what would a win do for you?”

Franchon on Balancing Career and Personal Life

41:13 to 42:00

Franchon discusses her goals for family and personal fulfillment.

Franchon Crew-Dezurn's Boxing Journey

42:00 to 43:50

Learn about Franchon's unique transition from aspiring pop star to boxing champion.

“As long as you've been fighting before you hang up the gloves and say, you know what?”

Inspiration and Aspirations

43:50 to 45:18

Franchon shares her inspirations in music and boxing and her aspirations for the future.

“and I, that's what I'm saying, I'm a reformed crash out.”

Upcoming Fight and Future Goals

45:18 to 46:42

A look into Franchon's upcoming fight and her future goals in the boxing world.

“Now you know she's going to be listening to this.”

Marriage and Longevity Secrets

46:42 to 51:04

Franchon discusses the keys to her 14-year marriage and maintaining happiness.

“or you say you know what i've done everything i need now it's time for me to start me a family I'm the heavyweight champion I'm the super middleweight champion so what's next?”

Fight Talk and Anticipation

51:04 to 53:08

Discussion about the upcoming fight and the competitive spirit in boxing.

“You know, it's kind of like the old adage, why do movie stars marry other movie stars?”

Critique on Coaching Decisions

53:08 to 56:00

Analyzing Nathaniel Hackett's hiring and the implications for the coaching landscape.

“For those of you that are in the chat that are watching, if you've never seen her fight, go check out some of her older fights from the past.”

Coaching Tenure and Stability

56:00 to 56:45

Explore the reasons behind coaching longevity in the NFL, focusing on Mike Brown's approach.

“We're talking about guys that had long...”

Coaching Trees and Job Security

56:45 to 57:34

Learn about the interconnectedness of coaching trees and how they influence job opportunities in the NFL.

“When Robert Sala got hired, got fired, where'd he go back to?”

Quarterback Dynamics in Coaching

57:34 to 59:15

Discuss the roles of coaches in quarterback development and play-calling responsibilities.

“and if he doesn't have a job somebody from that tree go back and look at Sean McVay's tree look at how Look at how it's interwoven.”

Hiring Familiar Faces

59:15 to 1:01:16

Examine the trend of hiring familiar individuals within coaching roles and its implications.

“What do you call the thing in your hand?”

Experiences with Contractors

1:01:16 to 1:02:36

Share anecdotes and insights about hiring contractors and the importance of reliability.

“The people that did stuff on my house in Atlanta, they got referred.”

Family Legacy and Home Renovations

1:02:36 to 1:09:50

Reflect on family traditions and the challenges of renovating inherited homes.

“Now, depending on who you ask to do said job, that week could be three.”

Nostalgia and Resistance to Change

1:09:50 to 1:10:00

Explore the emotional ties to belongings and the resistance to change in older generations.

Reflecting on Family Memories

1:10:00 to 1:18:23

Explore nostalgic stories about family, care, and cherished moments.

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6:29Shannon Sharpe:Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y 'all know who I am. I'm your favorite Unc, and that is my partner and co-host, Liberty City's own, the bingo ring of fame artery. He's a Madden ratings adjuster. He's a former pro bowler and an all-pro. He's Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And do us a favor. Go subscribe to the Nightcap Podcast feed, wherever you get your podcasts from. Ocho, and I would like to personally thank each and every one of you for your eyes, ears, and your word of mouth, because thanks to you, Nightcap has become the phenomenon that has become.

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7:43Shannon Sharpe:We got Franchon Cruz DeJern, who's fighting Clarissa Shields on Sunday. I want to thank everyone who watched last night episode. Man, oh, Joe, man. You see how Joe be bragging? You see how Joe be bragging, oh, Joe?

7:58Matt LaFleur:Hey, listen, this is the thing. Joe was coming off an injury. he was hurt so the fact that he was hurt and and for you i felt bad for you because you're my elder i i i toned everything down i didn't really compete i didn't really give up my all because you guys are damn near handicapped but based on the way y 'all acted the next time we do anything competitive just know i'm turning up and i'm not spaying nobody well look here um i had to spend

8:29Shannon Sharpe:all my energy at the first previous flexing fight, the first bowl. I only got so many steps. I only got so many jumps, so many turns in me. Yeah. And so I should have quit while I was ahead in the first bowling match. Yeah. But boy, they told my man, Unc, talking about his knees and his back, hip. Yes, my itch was on fire. Every chance I got, I sat my black ass down. Yes, my hips, my knees, my back were on fire, and I almost pulled my glute. So your Yeah, I know y 'all saying, Madele, you throwing the ball like it's a softball. You damn right. Because I was about to pull my glue, and I wasn't going to have y 'all laughing at me on camera.

9:07Shannon Sharpe:So I don't care what y 'all say. But, Joe, I know you watching. We got something for your fucking. Yeah, yeah, Joe. We got something for your ass.

9:15Matt LaFleur:Yeah. Because I didn't know Joe was like this, Ocho.

9:18Shannon Sharpe:I didn't know Joe was like this.

9:19Matt LaFleur:Hey, listen. I ain't heard Joe. You know, when I think of Joe Johnson, right? And obviously watching him play, you know, throughout the years. I visualized Joe Johnson like Troy Palamalu. Yeah. I heard Troy Palamalu talk one time in 10 years. I never heard Joe talk. I don't know what that got in him. I don't know what that happened. Yeah. But now he talking trash. He's selling out. Talk about how good he is. Don't get him started. Wait a minute. Yeah, we gonna get you started. Okay. Okay.

9:56Shannon Sharpe:I see what type of time you on Joe so as I mentioned we got Fran Sean Cruz discern she's joining us Ocho she's fighting Clarissa Shields on Sunday we got Ryan Garcia who's fighting Barrios on Saturday we can't wait for that man my hamstrings still hurt my knees still hurting from that Ocho Michael Parsons went on Funny Marco's podcast and have some interesting comments, Ocho. Ocho, you know we want to make sure everyone has the full context. Yes. So here is the full two-minute clip. So we don't want to have no confusion. That's not what he said. Here is the full two-minute clip of what Michael Parsons said on Funny Marco's podcast.

10:43Shannon Sharpe:Take a listen, Chad.

10:45Chad Johnson:I got to tell you, fuck Skip Bayless. Fuck all of them. Like, I don't give a fuck.

10:53Matt LaFleur:that's that but that's that's them because that's part of talking this communication

10:57Chad Johnson:yeah no i just like like they want to rage bait me rage me like but like they won't say that to my face like i wouldn't i'll talk to you these twitter finger ass i would be the same thing like fuck them i don't give a fuck i'll tell you how it is you suck you suck your show don't work no more like what we talking about here just open open thoughts yeah that's why this is called open thoughts because you just have an open thought of. Like, motherfuckers be trying to tell you how to play the game. Come play my position, Skip. Because I can do what you do. Shit, I do it better sometimes. Yeah, I feel you.

11:36Chad Johnson:What are we talking about here? Is Shannon Sharpe on the good side? Shay Shay, he live on both sides. He know how to play the fine line between as a player and as a show So, like, he played out like he don't really show up when it mattered, but he's a good player. Like, he knows how to – but he knows how to – sometimes he edge on that. He be letting them ESPN writers get to him a little bit. I can tell.

12:06Matt LaFleur:So, do you see yourself at the retirement being a sports analyst and talking, you know, being on there?

12:12Chad Johnson:It honestly just depends on, like, if they let me be me. Like, I'm not here to instigate no other player or talk bad about another player because they had a bad game or whatever, the organization. If they want me to be anti-whatever fan base, I'm good, bro. I'm not no fucking puppet. A lot of these dudes is puppets for national TV. If you want to be a puppet, be a puppet, but that's not me. I'm not selling my soul for a check. I'm paid. I'm good. Forever. Forever. That's why I'm going to be your friend.

12:49Matt LaFleur:You want to go first? I like that. I don't know what show it was. I don't know if our shows are numbered, but I did talk about I wish players were a little bit more honest and would open up about how they truly feel. Start telling the truth on how they really feel. Everyone is always PC. This is the first person that I've seen come along and actually voice his opinion on how he felt about punters and analysts. Your thoughts.

13:20Shannon Sharpe:it was fine i mean he said what he said about skip i'm not here to to to defend or protect or whatever he said about skip i was cool until he brought my name up what wait it wasn't bad i was a i was an advocate right go back and look when he was coming out and see what i said about this young man yes sir he said well he knows how to play the right you know what i do this is what I do, Micah, because what I believe, and I've said this before, Chad, and y 'all know I've said this. Once a person has done something, whether or not he plays good, bad in a game, I don't take away from what he's already done.

14:01Shannon Sharpe:So Micah, me saying, Micah is a phenomenal player. He's a first-team All-Pro. He's a perennial defensive player of the year candidate, but he did not play well in this game. What's wrong with what I said? So here's some stats. Michael Parsons with the Cowboys, Ocho. He had 52 and a half sacks, 21, 22, 23, 24. This year he played in Green Bay. He became only the second player in NFL history to notch 12-plus sacks in his first four seasons behind the only great, legendary Reggie White. Rest his soul. In four playoff games with Michael Parsons played with the Cowboys, he has eight solo tackles, 10 assisted tackles, one sack, zero interceptions, zero forced fumbles, zero fumble recoveries, zero touchdowns, three quarterback hits, three tackle for losses.

14:58Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, what am I supposed to do? Please tell me what I'm supposed to do. Michael Parsons is a phenomenal player, but in order for the Cowboys to be better, he needs to be better. What's wrong with that?

15:10Matt LaFleur:So he needs to be better in those specific games once they reach the playoffs. That's what I said. Okay, okay, okay.

15:16Shannon Sharpe:How am I playing both sides? I'm being honest. He's a phenomenal player. But he didn't play well today. That's why Green Bay put 48 on you. That's why those teams did what they did to your defense because you didn't play like we've seen you play in the regular season. What is wrong with that? Oh, ESPN writers, Chad, do y 'all really believe? honestly y 'all y 'all seen me at a lot of different locations y 'all seen me at fox for seven years y 'all saw me at espn for two do y 'all really believe they be telling me what to say considering what i be saying do you really honestly believe no that that would mean you would have a ghost

16:00Matt LaFleur:writer and you can tell by the way you talk and the way you explain yourself and you go in depth about the game in general that's not coming from anyone else except you and your expertise based on what you see because you don't watch the goddamn sound when you're watching football anyway.

16:13Shannon Sharpe:I don't.

16:14Matt LaFleur:So that's all you.

16:16Shannon Sharpe:He also said you know, he don't want to, you know, you don't like anybody disliking a fan base. My only thing is the Cowboys. I say they have delusional fans because every year, think about it. When Jerry purchased this team in 1989, within the first seven years, he had gone to four NFC championships, three Super Bowls and won them all. since that time. So he's on this team for 37 years. In the last 30 years, how many NFC championship games have they gone to, Ocho? How many Super Bowl appearances? So the delusion is that the fans keep saying every single year, this is their year, this is their year, this is their year, this is their year.

16:56Shannon Sharpe:There's a very, very fine line between confidence and delusion. That in and of itself.

17:06Matt LaFleur:And listen, one thing, Yeah, one thing they will do. Cowboys fans, they will fight for their team. They will fight for their owner. They will fight for the players that are on that team, which is why I get so much pushback. I don't mean to change the subject on George Pickens. Understanding what the Cowboys need to compete and not being so heavy loaded on the front side on offense. but obviously he's of extreme value and knowing what you need defensively to help so you can compete so you can get back to the winning ways of the old cowboys but you have no defense and that's no disrespect to the players that are there right now but it just it is what it is i mean it is what it is even with the trades that you made last year right you know getting kenny clark getting keon mitchell you still need more you still need more you need a centerpiece You need impact players.

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17:53Matt LaFleur:For one, you got people loading up the front to be able to stop the run. You still need somebody on the edge. On the back end, you still need somebody on the back end. That can be an intricate part of your foundation, you know, in the secondary. You don't have that right now. I mean, it's...

18:10Shannon Sharpe:But that's what we're supposed to do. We're supposed to look at a game because you and I play at an extremely high level. We're supposed to look. And what a player has already done. and I've said this before when I talked about Tom Brady I'm not trying to take any of those Super Bowls any of those All-Pros, any of those MVP but today he didn't play well Miles Garrett is the best defensive player in the NFL, today he didn't play well, whether you say it's Chase or JSN or Puka Nakula they're the best receivers in football today wasn't their day so I'm just trying to figure out what are we supposed to do are we supposed to cheerlead for y 'all are we supposed to a trumpet y 'all calls no matter what so no matter how bad you play micah i'm supposed to get on tv and say you know what micah have a hell of a game even though you did not and we're talking about in the playoffs because you mentioned it yeah well he didn't play well this game you didn't you know what am i supposed to do the fans see it right the fans see it right i mean listen the players are

19:13Matt LaFleur:gonna have to understand they're gonna have to understand obviously this era this era of players because of social media, everything is magnified, especially when it comes from us, those that are doing the talking, having social media here as well, then it makes the voices. For those that have platforms, it makes the voices and the things that they say that much louder. So it gets to the players even if they want to hear it, but they have to understand that those that do jobs like yourself, like myself, who's gotten better at being critical of players when they don't play well, is they have to be able to take constructive criticism.

19:45Matt LaFleur:It's never saying that you – Because they look at it as hate. Yeah, but it's never saying that you're a bad player. We know you're great. No. And listen, the funny thing about it, the only ones that get talked about are the ones that are great because we hold them to a certain expectation on what they've already done in the past. And we don't play based on what we're used to seeing. It gets talked about.

20:04Shannon Sharpe:Right.

20:05Matt LaFleur:But it's nothing personal. It's just based on your performance that day in that game. That's all.

20:11Shannon Sharpe:And we're judging you off because you set the bar. Had you not done what you've done in your first four years, no other player other than Reggie White has had at least 12 sacks in a season for four consecutive years to start their career. You and Reggie, rest his soul, are the only ones to do that. So you set the bar pretty high. So come playoff times, this is where legends are made. this is how if tom brady had had all these stats and not done what he done in the postseason are we looking at him the same no if patrick mahomes had not done what he's done look at the guys that's done it we judge them on the playoffs that's how you make your name that's how you become iconic that's how you become legendary yes michael did what he did in the regular season but it was the postseason Kobe it was the postseason LeBron the great the great players what do you do when it absolutely matters the most yeah that's what you judged against Micah

21:21Matt LaFleur:I have a question too yes when it comes in general because he's so great because he has that star on his helmet because everybody is watching him being that he's the best player defensively do you think as as a player they they kind of get frustrated a little bit and say why is the focal point only on me and i'm playing a team game but then you focus on well i didn't do this when hell the other 10 didn't do anything as well but that is what happens when you are as great as you are you have to be the difference maker even if everybody else is not playing well you got to be the one that pop out on film because you that boy how many how much of that money he

22:01Shannon Sharpe:going to split with his teammates, how much money is he going to split with that teammates that Green Bay gave him?

22:05Matt LaFleur:Boy, that's a good one. It's a team game now.

22:07Shannon Sharpe:Remember, you said it's a team game. But he got paid as an individual.

22:11Matt LaFleur:That's a good one right there, boy.

22:13Shannon Sharpe:That's a good one. The thing is, Ocho, is that in the most important game, come playoffs, I gave you four playoff games. He has one sack in four playoff games. Is that good? It's not. That's Micah Parsons. He's one of the preeminent defensive players in all of football. We're basing in the... We're just looking at your resume. If you did this, Micah, had you not done what you done, if you were a guy that just had your first sixth season, you had 25 sacks. I don't hold you in there. I probably not even mention you, bro. But because you have 50 plus in four seasons, now we have to have a conversation.

22:58Shannon Sharpe:Why is it the Micah that we saw in the regular season, why isn't he showing up in the postseason? That's it, bro. I ain't got no... Y 'all know me, but I got to be honest though, Micah. And you're not the only one. Go back and look at some of the things I said about Peyton Manning. Go back and look at some of the things I said about Tom Brady. And guess what? Every time I see Peyton, guess what? Hey, come up to the box. every time I saw Tom, had a great conversation with Tom, talked a little bit about football, but mainly we talked about what he's doing now. How can he get better? X, Y, and Z.

23:46Shannon Sharpe:I just think the thing is, we're just at an age now that if somebody, that's 254, 200, so in four playoff games, he's playing basically,

24:01Shannon Sharpe:five six he's basically playing 60 snaps yeah a game so 251 in the four so that's basically he's playing 60.2 snaps a game that's damn to the whole game mocho yeah because you know they're only 65 65 to 70 snaps so let's just say he's playing all he's playing at least 95 of the snap that's all we're saying michael it's not that i dislike you if it's not like I'm trying to play both sides. I'm trying to be as fair as I possibly can because I don't believe because you've had a bad playoff game that you are a bad player. My thing is that, man, based on what Michael Parsons has shown me in the regular season, what he's shown me over the first four years of his career, I don't know what happened to him today.

24:47Shannon Sharpe:But this is not good enough for the Cowboys to win. And if they want to win, Michael's going to have to play better in the bigger games. The bigger the game, the bigger the player plays. that's all yeah and if you take if you take it as that it's personal or i dislike you you're sadly mistaken i don't know enough to dislike you i have no opinion what you do it i don't what you do off the field that is of no concern of mine all i do is that when you punch that clock at be it 105 or 420 yes sir now this is what we're watching this is what we're doing but i don't just I don't dislike anybody. I try to be as fair as I possibly can in my critique

25:29Matt LaFleur:of analysts when I put

25:31Shannon Sharpe:my analyst hat on Ojo. But I appreciate, you know, me, I mean, look, like I said, I ain't here to defend nobody. I mean, me, he talked to me. He brought me up in the conversation and I'm trying to explain to him if you had a problem with something that I said, just come to me. You got my number?

25:53Matt LaFleur:and I just saw you at the Super Bowl but you also have to think too you got to think about what he said he does a good job because he played the game and explaining himself in a sense and he sees it as somewhat being on the fence but also when he doesn't play well he's saying he's saying you're calling on both sides I'm not sure for better context than why he said F Skip I'm not sure if you heard what Skip said Yeah, I know it doesn't have anything to do with you, but that's why the anger was more so directed to him. It's more so directed to him because it's more of – it's explanation in being critical of him, but it seems a lot more personal, especially when it comes from someone that has never played the game.

26:38Shannon Sharpe:Well, I guess the thing is because, you know, some of the things that Skip says, like, he's happy that the guy got traded, he's not going to be missed. I don't care about no trade. That ain't got nothing to do with me. Look, you played the Broncos. Hey, I love you when you're the Broncos. I wish you the best of luck if you go somewhere else. I don't get all of that. It ain't that serious to me, Ocho. It's never been that serious to me. It is never going to be that serious to me. But I just need guys, not just Michael. Michael just happened to be the one. Everybody, everybody. Now, hold on. I do have a job to do.

27:09Shannon Sharpe:So let me ask you a question. If you don't do your job, how long do you think you're going to be with a particular set team? so I have a job to do and my job is to be as honest and as fair in my assessment of what I see based on my knowledge of the game and who you are as a player and what I see, that's it, nothing more nothing less, I don't add anything, I don't add no yeast so it'll grow and I don't take anything out of it, whatever the ingredients that you give me to make my argument for you Ocho that's what I use so that's the thing that's what we do Ocho and I take the ingredients that you give us to make an argument whatever the ingredients is that's what we use to make our argument but we're not going to add anything now if you say this thing come with two tablespoons all you're getting is two tablespoons you're not getting anymore if you say four eggs whipped you're getting four eggs if you said flour that's what you get you get vanilla extract you get cinnamon whatever whatever the ingredients call for that's all we got for you yeah but they'll be all right on they'll be all right

28:24Matt LaFleur:the one that we listen the one that we listen the ones getting talked about is are the great ones it's the great ones it's the great ones that we talk about and as much as they always want to play and be consistent week in and week out you're going to have games when you play bad you're going to it's a it's it's the nature of the game it's life in general the game of football has its ups and

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32:32Shannon Sharpe:Hey, we got a very special guest joining us. Ranshawn Cruz Dijerne, the heavy-hitting diva. Got a big fight on Sunday night against the undisputed, unbeaten, two-time Olympic gold medal, Clarissa Shields. Looking at your rematch with Clarissa. now this is your this is a rematch what why are you so convinced why should we be convinced that the outcome will be different this time than the previous time because the first time we fought

33:04Franchon Crew-Dezurn:i had a two-week notice straight off pop it come on now okay i mean i've always been trust me go look at the fight from 2014 when we fought in the amateurs all this she's gonna beat me up and do this she know what time it is so you'll just see she's doing a whole bunch of talking enough for the both of us um sunday you guys will see why yeah since you but you about that action listen

33:28Matt LaFleur:right now if i'm not mistaken wc wbc super middleweight champ wba unified wbc wba listen right now obviously for us coming from a football background what we do before we play a game you watch film on your opponent to see what the opponent's tendencies are what we have to watch out for things that we can expose i don't want you to tell your game plan but watching claire shields and watching film and studying her before you guys fight sunday are there any things that you may think you can take advantage of that you may have seen yeah of course i mean listen

34:06Franchon Crew-Dezurn:people everybody's negating the fact you look at her last fight she fought somebody who's a blown up super middleweight and she couldn't do nothing with him. She's talking she's going to knock me out and do this. You couldn't even knock that person out. So don't forget I'm a two time unified and the first ever understated super middleweight champion in history. You done went to heavyweight. You done went to welterweight. You did all this but you didn't come back and see me. And you want me to come to heavyweight and get fat so you think you're going to take advantage. Come on. Come on Franny.

34:37Shannon Sharpe:Come on Franny. Come on now. Really?

34:41Franchon Crew-Dezurn:yeah yeah yeah but look uh uh i know you're talking about your football background but you actually came to my camp when i fought my dispute and you was in a gym and you sparred a guy yeah

34:52Matt LaFleur:yeah yeah i was i was in there having to having a good old time having a good listen sis i ain't i ain't left the i ain't left the gym since i ain't left the ring since i've been trying to perfect my craft and get as great as i can being that i missed so much time because of football because I want to get back in the ring and do an exhibition with Andre Ward.

35:10Franchon Crew-Dezurn:Oh, that would be amazing. I love that. And that's the type of mentality people tend to forget. When you are great, you're an athlete, you're determined, that will take you further from boxing, football, whatever. And that's one of my attributes that will make me win on Sundays, that my mind is so made up.

35:27Matt LaFleur:I like it. So I just want to ask you, Fighters Sunday, talk to me. How has camp been? Was camp good? Are you injury free? You know, sometimes in the camp, you pick up little knickknacks.

35:38Franchon Crew-Dezurn:I've been ready to fight probably a week and a half ago. I don't like long camps because I'm a street fighter who's on the right box. So if somebody hit me, I'm hitting them the upper back. That's the time I'm on. But I had an amazing camp. I had tragedies, too. I lost, you know, a friend, a person who was going to work with me in the camp. But, you know, my husband, Linda's earned. He's been pulling me through. my spa partner shout out to level up boxing gym shout out to coach mac uh you know we've been

36:08Matt LaFleur:working we've been working very hard that's live i'm excited i'm i can't wait i can't wait i can't

36:13Franchon Crew-Dezurn:wait i'm excited listen i just want to shout out this is this is what gets me through camp shout out to my sponsor that you know the athlete especially a woman in a male dominated sports kind of hard but that's what helped me get through because i sacrificed time i sacrificed money i I say that's a lot. And that's why I'm going to win because I put the words in.

36:32Shannon Sharpe:Right, Sean. Look, there's not a whole lot of women that get remembered for fighting. You go Leila Ali. You go Cole Miner's daughter, Christy Martin. You get Ann Walker. You get Clarissa. And obviously, you want to be one of those. Like, when they talk about women's boxing, 10 years, 15 years from now, when you done hung the gloves up, when you got the gloves up, and you're just sitting around, you want them to mention your name. you know you know what go ahead go ahead talk to me listen i mean when you say those names and you

37:04Franchon Crew-Dezurn:get to clarissa you forget my name is right there i'm very come on now talk your talk i'm the one clarissa looked up to when she stepped out she looked up to see who was winning at that time and that was me and i'm still winning to this day that's why i'm in the ring that's why i went on the 22nd because i'm the one put it to work if she didn't have a person like me stepping she wouldn't be what she is. Very talented. I'll take nothing away from her, but boxing didn't start with her and it's not what it was. What would, taking down

37:34Shannon Sharpe:Clarissa, whether you win by decision or you win by knockout, what would a win do for you? What would it do for women's boxing?

37:43Franchon Crew-Dezurn:I'm the heartbeat of this boxing thing. A lot of people, she's on Twitter saying, oh, you lost to this, that. You ain't fight them. I'm the one that fought the big fight. When you go to all the names and my weight class from super middle weighting up or whatever. I'm the common denominator. I'm for the steroid cheat. And let's be clear, this undisputed heavyweight, she's in protective custody. It's been built around her. She's been a golden girl, and that's fine. Because I've never been in a heavyweight fight where there's a weight loss. So let's be clear, okay? But this type of win for me will be something I work for.

38:17Franchon Crew-Dezurn:It'll be a big thing. When the fight changed my life, changed the people around me. But it's just something for me. This is for me. I'm already first ballot Hall of Famer so I mean

38:26Shannon Sharpe:yeah you gonna go on Twitter and gloat you gonna talk about get all that talking and now look I got all the belts listen

38:35Franchon Crew-Dezurn:when I win I might just walk out I just might walk out the room like no interview

38:41Matt LaFleur:no interview no nothing

38:43Franchon Crew-Dezurn:fuck y 'all fuck y 'all I like it

38:47Matt LaFleur:I like it

38:50Franchon Crew-Dezurn:I'm just blessed for the opportunity You work hard, you get these positions, and I feel like I've already been here before. You know, that competition mindset, y 'all can relate to it. Everybody's like, you should be more mean. I'm a mean motherfucker. That's why she don't talk crazy to me, but I just don't.

39:08Shannon Sharpe:I'm going to crash out. You on that type of time?

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41:46Franchon Crew-Dezurn:I'm a reform crash out. A reform crash.

41:51Matt LaFleur:Hey, I look, I love the fact that you had that competitive mindset and understanding being that my short sample side of knowledge of being in the ring and understanding what it takes to be a fighter. How long do you think you have left? As long as you've been fighting before you hang up the gloves and say, you know what? I've done enough in this sport. I see men in my legacy. I'm already a first ballot Hall of Famer. I've done enough. I can go on and drift into the sunset at peace.

42:21Franchon Crew-Dezurn:Well, you know what? I've been doing this for a very long time. I do have aspirations to be a mother. I've been married for 14 years. So that's one thing I would love to do. It is at a time where women are making a fair amount of money. I'm not making$8 million. You know what I'm saying? But there's opportunity because I know once I win, we'll have to rematch again. And my mentor is Bernard. I'm an artist. Yeah. But, you know, I'm already an international recording artist with a top 10 hit in the UK. I've showcased the New York Fashion Week a number of times, so I'm an established fashion designer.

43:02Franchon Crew-Dezurn:So I have a couple of different things I could do. But to answer your question, I don't know. I don't know. I ain't going to be here forever, though. I want to have some kids.

43:12Shannon Sharpe:Okay, I like it. How did you even get into the sport?

43:17Franchon Crew-Dezurn:I wanted to be a singer, a pop star.

43:20Shannon Sharpe:Damn, how you go from a pop star to a boxer?

43:23Franchon Crew-Dezurn:Hey, the heavy head diva. Listen, I'm a fighter that learned how to box. So I was street fighting, equal opportunity assholes who managed to fight boys, fight girls. but I just, hey, they took me to the gym and I got active.

43:38Shannon Sharpe:I like that. I like that. You come from, do you come from a large, do you come from, how many brothers, siblings you have, brother, sister?

43:45Franchon Crew-Dezurn:I have three brothers, so they used to rough me up. I don't have a large family, but they were tough on me and I, that's what I'm saying, I'm a reformed crash out. Like, all this bullying she trying to do, I'm just like, you not really like that. Put me in a room with you, no cameras, no wrestling. You coming up out of there? I'm going to ask you.

44:05Shannon Sharpe:Hold on. You're trying to say they just put you on the room with no cameras and whoever come out, come out? You coming out? Yeah, absolutely.

44:14Franchon Crew-Dezurn:Absolutely. Damn. Absolutely. I put that on my dead mother. I'm coming from the old school. If you'll whoop her ass, we going to whoop your ass and see you back out there. I ain't the one, two, or the three. I'm just saying.

44:28Shannon Sharpe:You were contested on American Idol. How was that?

44:32Franchon Crew-Dezurn:It was amazing. This was like when the show was kind of new. I watched it from the hospital bed with my mom. So that's one of my main inspirations since I started boxing. She fought to live. I fought to win. But America Idol really showed me a lot of things. Like, it's not what it seems. But I did have an opportunity to step to Nigel, who I think he, like, owns all of the American Idol. You got talent. And I told him, I was like, you know, you made me. Thank God Simon told me I couldn't be great at everything because I said on that show if I wasn't an American Idol I'd be the middleweight champion of the world not only did I become the super middleweight understudied champion I'm going to be the understudied heavyweight champion and I might get skinny and go be a middleweight champion Come on now, talk your talk

45:18Shannon Sharpe:You try to consolidate all the belts You try to have all the belts You try to be like a store that sells belts You're going to have them all No, I want to be like Clarissa Shields

45:27Franchon Crew-Dezurn:There you go

45:29Shannon Sharpe:You see what you're doing now? Now you know she's going to be listening to this. You know she's going to see this.

45:35Franchon Crew-Dezurn:It's good for her. She already blocked on Instagram. Now she's posting at me on Twitter. Good for her.

45:41Shannon Sharpe:Why you blocked on IG?

45:44Franchon Crew-Dezurn:She crazy. Her and her fake pages is crazy. I don't know she crazy.

45:50Matt LaFleur:Listen, when it comes to your endeavors, obviously wanting to be an artist of some sort, who are some inspirations that you draw from?

45:58Franchon Crew-Dezurn:Yeah, I'm a singer-songwriter. I came up with you had to actually have talent. Brandy, of course, I love to work at that. I think that's Michelle. Beyonce is like an athlete. Yes. And Matthew put them through Rick Moreau. Who else do I love? Maya. She's a cool lady. I know her in real life. I love her. If you can see a lot of the artists that's popping now that was copied then that's just like the type of caliber i am like that's that longevity that work ethic that reinvention mary jay oh yeah oh yeah i take different things from the

46:36Shannon Sharpe:artistry and also the work ethic that's dope that's live i like that so this this this this fight on sunday you win this fight what do you what what's what's next you take some time off or you say you know what i've done everything i need now it's time for me to start me a family I'm the heavyweight champion I'm the super middleweight champion so what's next? Let them know

46:58Matt LaFleur:We talked about they got a rematch It's a rematch clause

47:02Franchon Crew-Dezurn:We got to get in that thing and sell this thing I mean look I got that My husband is a boxer Glenda Zarn Jr. I want to make history and be the first husband and wife to fight for belts on a car and I'm still a unified champion so I would love to become undisputed super middleweight champion again like I say I'm here for a good time not a long time and it makes sense nobody taking the big fights but me and at the end of the day even with this promotion they make it like she's fighting herself they've been very disrespectful trust me it's not a party until the queen come in town because everything's just now

47:39Shannon Sharpe:talk now you know we gonna be watching this fight now I just want you to know Ochoa and I gonna be watching this fight we talking about what transpired what popped up on Sunday you know this

47:54Franchon Crew-Dezurn:listen I'm going to tell you this let me tell you two things number one I'm designing my own boxing attire so when I look cute that's made by me number two I'm a fighter I'm a winner I do whatever I have to do to win so if you expecting I'm a sharp fighter you expecting to see me look like her this is chaos in motion this is orchestrating chaos I'm bringing all that shit like whatever it is it's going to be done

48:20Matt LaFleur:I got a question, sis. What's Young Bull name I was sparring with? How's he doing?

48:27Franchon Crew-Dezurn:He's good. I think he's fighting on the 21st, actually. So he's fighting the day before.

48:31Matt LaFleur:Okay, okay, okay. I got to check him out, man.

48:33Franchon Crew-Dezurn:And look, when you're ready, I'll come in camping. You getting some friends, y 'all? You getting some friends? I get you. I spar with men. I spar with men. I don't get knocked out by them, but I spar with men. Okay, okay.

48:45Matt LaFleur:I got you. I got you.

48:46Shannon Sharpe:I'll take it easy. I got you. And Sean, let me ask you this. The first name. How did you get that first name?

48:52Franchon Crew-Dezurn:My mom said she had it ever since she was a little girl. So she knew I was going to be special. And then my husband, he's of pre-O descent. So it's like, for Sean Cruz, it's her. I'm like, come on. I like that. Come on.

49:05Shannon Sharpe:I like that. Yeah, because we go back and forth. That's not how they say it on the zone. And then I was looking at what the hyphen is over the O. I said, it's kind of in the same place that the B-Sean is. I said, so it's got to be Sean. Right. It's frustrating.

49:20Franchon Crew-Dezurn:Yeah, for sure. Listen, I'd have been called French. They used to call me franchise. I said, I'll take it. I'll take it. You know, get money.

49:31Matt LaFleur:I got one more question. The longevity. I understand the discipline it takes to be a boxer. The discipline it takes to engage in some of the other aspirations that you have. But one thing that a lot of people in life struggle with, uh including myself i can't speak for honk but you've been married for 14 years please give me the secret on longevity and how he's been able to keep you happy for such a long for such a long

49:59Franchon Crew-Dezurn:time so i can take that formula and integrate it into my relationship no no no well um he's a professional boxer as well so you know boxing was his first love so i had to work to be in that area and over time like at the end of the day we're best friends and he's been there he's never he never tried to like just we were platonic so we know each other in a different um capacity it wasn't so sexual and he was best friends with my mom too so we love each other in the god way for him as like my son, my father, my brother, my husband. And at the end of the day, it's two individuals choosing to experience life together.

50:44Franchon Crew-Dezurn:I'm not trying to change him. He's not trying to change me. We rub off on each other. And if we do change, it's because we love each other. Even when we fight, it's like, are you leaving or no? You know what I'm saying? If we got a problem, are you going to fix it? Am I willing to fix it? And at the end of the day, I still choose you, like Pikachu. you.

51:04Matt LaFleur:I like that. I like that. I like that.

51:07Shannon Sharpe:I like that. You know, it's kind of like the old adage, why do movie stars marry other movie stars? Because the other know what it's like to live that life. You're a boxer, he a boxer. You know exactly what it is to sacrifice to go to training camp, to be frustrated because you can't see the person that you love, y 'all not being intimate like you normally are. So I know the sacrifice that he's going through. He knows the sacrifices that I'm going through. But boy, hey, once this camp is over. This is

51:35Franchon Crew-Dezurn:what I think growing up with our brothers. I'm not a catty female. I'm like probably like your bro. Like I can hang with the bros. So I'm not here. If he see a fat ass, I'm like, babe, you see that fat ass? I'm not going to restrict him for doing nothing. It's maturity and responsibility. Make a mistake and whatever decision you choose to make, make sure you can deal with the consequences and repercussions that come with it. I'm just saying but he's a good guy. He's a great man. Like a great man.

52:06Shannon Sharpe:That's awesome. Well, we're looking forward to this fight on Saturday night for Sean. Fred Sean. Who's seen that sad ass? Fight for Rissa Shield on Sunday night. She said she wants that heavyweight title. It's going to be a lot different than it was in 2014. She said she wanted this action at heavyweight. She ain't want to come back down and take this ass whipping at middleweight or super middleweight. so I'll come see you on your turn I like it

52:36Franchon Crew-Dezurn:and maybe after but you know what I thank you guys for having me let me shout out my sponsors thank you guys and I'll see you soon

52:46Shannon Sharpe:I appreciate it good luck good luck good luck thank you hey

52:55Matt LaFleur:she talking cash money listen she's talking cash money she's talking trash but she's doing it in a very mild manner. She's doing it in a very mild manner. She's a different animal. She's a different beast once she's in the ring. For those of you that are in the chat that are watching, if you've never seen her fight, go check out some of her older fights from the past. So it's going to be a good one. It's going to be a real good one, man. I'm excited.

53:18Shannon Sharpe:She said, man, she funny, man. She wanted me to get fat.

53:25Matt LaFleur:Because you know, the bigger you get, you go up the heavyweight, you tire out faster.

53:29Shannon Sharpe:And you slower. Yeah, you don't slow her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you said, okay, you won't come down here. I'll come see you. I'll come up there. Yeah, that's going to be nice. It's going to be an interesting fight, and I can't wait for us to talk about this on Sunday, Ocho. Cardinals new head coach, Mike LaFleur, defended the decision to hire Nathaniel Hackett as a team offensive coordinator. Hackett has received heavy criticism at his recent stops, the Jets and the Broncos, the latter which is head coach in 2022. Hackett didn't even last one full season as the Broncos head coach, and he was fired after just 15 games.

54:03Shannon Sharpe:Meanwhile, in his second season with the Jets, he was relieved to play calling duties when Jeff Ubrich took over as interim head coach. Ocho, for an offense that has struggled, is hiring Nathaniel Hackett the best LaFleur can do?

54:17Matt LaFleur:Absolutely not. I mean, it was horrible. It was a horrible decision. I mean, based on hirings or based on who's the best candidate for the position, and it's based on what you've done in the past. What does your resume look like? What do your accolades look like at said position? There are two prime examples, but one, a season where you didn't make it, you only made it 15 weeks. And obviously, you were horrible at another place. So how is it that you're the best person for the job when there are so many other offensive coordinators that are worthy and have the quality to be able to call those plays?

54:49Matt LaFleur:So, again, this is how the coaching world works. your friends and those you know who come up under that umbrella and coaching tree that you know which this is how they always keep each other employed come on over with me i have a job for

55:04Shannon Sharpe:you regardless of how you've done in the past that's what we need to do it's ridiculous that's what we need to do us oh they don't even put us in positions of power to be able to make those kind of calls when we get a head coaching job do we do that no we don't that's what I'm saying I'm saying when we are fortunate enough to get a head coaching job

55:32Matt LaFleur:I have one more thing to say when we are in positions to be leader of men and are able to get head coaching jobs I don't think we have the green light and the full power we think we do simply because we're the head coach

55:46Shannon Sharpe:so you believe tell me all these years Mike Tomlin didn't have wasn't denied at.

55:54Matt LaFleur:You just named one person.

55:56Shannon Sharpe:What about Marvin?

56:01Shannon Sharpe:We're talking about guys that had long... Marvin was there 15 plus years.

56:05Matt LaFleur:But you know why Marvin was there, because Mike Brown is not firing nobody. Mike Brown's not firing nobody. That's not his MO. That's never been his MO.

56:12Shannon Sharpe:You got years of your contract, you're going to coach that contract.

56:14Matt LaFleur:Hey, listen, when it comes to Mike Brown, you're going to make every dollar on your contract. you're going to play that thing all the way out so I understand that but I just think for us you already know how this business is those of you that are in the chat that are listening I don't know how many more examples you need to see to understand that if we do they already don't want us in those positions to begin with and you think we're going to allow you to be in that position to be a head coach and then give you full reign to hire who you want to absolutely not hell nah Oh, Joe.

56:48Shannon Sharpe:When Robert Sala got hired, got fired, where'd he go back to?

56:52Matt LaFleur:Woody knows best. Come on, man. You can always have a job.

56:56Shannon Sharpe:He was with Kyle Shanahan, and then what happened, Ocho? He got a head coach of Joe. Good job.

57:01Matt LaFleur:See how that work? You see how that work, right? You see how that work?

57:04Shannon Sharpe:Go back and look at some of these coaches and look at what happens when they lose their job at one place. They go right back where they started. And then before you know it, they got a new job.

57:15Matt LaFleur:always have a job it's a great thing it's almost like you know how you do your ancestry tree with your DNA and you scroll back and it always leads back to okay this is where my family is from once you're part of that coaching cycle or that coaching tree you're going to always have a job always and if he doesn't have a job

57:37Shannon Sharpe:somebody from that tree go back and look at Sean McVay's tree look at how Look at how it's interwoven. Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay and all those guys in LaFloris, look how it's interwoven. Look how they take care of one another. My guy, Clint Kubiak, like I said, I know Clint. Clint, dad, was my offensive coordinator in 90 and 91. He was my offensive coordinator from 95 until 99, and again, 02 and 03. Go look at his staff. Rick Dennison, who was on his staff with his – I play with Rico. We call it Rico. Rick Dennison, now he's the advisor to the head coach. Joe D. Camillus.

58:20Matt LaFleur:Yeah.

58:20Shannon Sharpe:When Joe D. Camillus used to be the assistant strength and conditioning coach, turned himself into a great special teams coach. That's a special teams coach. Mike McCoy was there with Kuhn. You see?

58:42Matt LaFleur:Unbelievable. Look at Kyle's staff.

58:43Shannon Sharpe:Look at McVeigh's staff. Look at their guys. When they get an opportunity and they can get guys that want other staff and elevate them, come on. Yeah. Come on.

58:53Matt LaFleur:I got you.

58:55Shannon Sharpe:I got you. I got you. Yeah.

58:58Matt LaFleur:I got you. I tell you what. I tell you what. In Arizona, I don't think anything's going to change. I don't think anything's going to change. Okay, what are we doing at the quarterback position? what are we doing at the quarterback position you had a problem when you were at denver you had a problem when you were in new york but he ain't gonna be calling plays what he gonna do

59:22Shannon Sharpe:what he gonna do mike lafleur is gonna call plays he didn't call plays in green bay when he with his brother okay well he good then he good matt lafleur matt lafleur called a play but i but but they tell us ocho they want somebody to call plays hold on what is my floor look and i don't have nothing against Mike LaFleur. I wish him the absolute best. But he didn't call plays with the Rams. Everybody knows that. Sean called those plays.

59:49Matt LaFleur:Yeah, he had the clip. What do you call the thing in your hand? What do you call that? What, the play sheet? The script. The play sheet. He always had the play sheet in his hand.

59:58Shannon Sharpe:Yes. So he's not going to, I mean, Nathaniel Hackett didn't call plays in Green Bay.

1:00:07Matt LaFleur:Matt LaFleur did. I have a question. So what is Nathaniel had a job in Arizona? He got a job entitled.

1:00:14Shannon Sharpe:Office coordinator, he ain't calling no plays, Ocho.

1:00:18Matt LaFleur:You see how they do? You see the game they play?

1:00:20Shannon Sharpe:Yes!

1:00:21Matt LaFleur:Yes!

1:00:24Shannon Sharpe:Man, come on, man. Yes, Ocho. And I don't want people to say, I ain't got no problem with it. Right. Because here's the thing. And this is how it normally works. Is that you hire people that you're comfortable with.

1:00:38Matt LaFleur:that you know or you know someone intimately yeah um and so i don't know if mike was on the

1:00:46Shannon Sharpe:staff with his brother i think mike has always been with sean yeah but matt mike's brother vouched for it so that's like you own a company and i said oh man i got this dude man i'm telling you he could help you do a lot i'm vouching for now i'm very very hesitant to put my name behind somebody because that's my name. I come to you and tell you, Ocho, this man a hard worker. You're going to say, oh, man, you told me he's a hard worker. Man, I can't get him to G.R. Damn. Now he got out here making me look bad. But when you're familiar with someone.

1:01:27Matt LaFleur:And you know what you're getting. You know what you're getting. I got a question too. Totally, totally off subject but but context-wise and perspective it's almost the same okay the way you just explained and i'm i'm hiring someone i'm familiar with and i know the job that they're going to do have you ever had somebody do work on your house i have were they black or were they of of latin descent well the handyman that normally comes over now he's black

1:02:00Shannon Sharpe:he'd be on time. The people that did stuff on my house in Atlanta, they got referred. A good friend of mine that we had been friends with, they had done work on their house. They were very pleased. I got them to do work on my house. Joe, my handyman in Atlanta, I like him because for the most part, we call him. If he can't get over that night, he's coming over first thing in the morning. That's what you got to have when you're dealing with a handyman, don't you? Oh, you know, I think I can get there by the end of the week. Bro, it's Monday. What do you mean the end of the week?

1:02:36Matt LaFleur:See what I mean? Okay, said job is going to take a week. Now, depending on who you ask to do said job, that week could be three.

1:02:48Shannon Sharpe:Yes.

1:02:48Matt LaFleur:They own the job on Wednesday. I got to take a phone call. You know what? I got to go pick up somebody. I got the emergency. I got to run. they're just small instances depending on what depending that's why you got to be careful on who you bring who you bring in yes when it comes to when you when you're doing stuff serious where it can cost you your job now that hire is very that hire is very important even though he might

1:03:12Shannon Sharpe:not be calling the plays what gets me upset ocho if it's amazing you ever notice ocho like when somebody's trying to get a job as soon as you call god damn you must have knew I was calling you picked the phone up the phone didn't even ring on my hand then when they get said job all of a sudden oh I gotta see when I can get over there I say now see when you was trying to get the job it wasn't no see let me see when I can get over there hey you on point your ass showed up on point now we done paid you in full hey whoa that's a mistake that's a rookie mistake no no no no the bulk of it Ocho because I'm like look we need materials and so forth okay I get all that now I'm going to need this now when something go wrong well oh there ain't no well

1:04:08Matt LaFleur:well how deep

1:04:10Shannon Sharpe:that's the only well I know so no no no no no no no no no no no no no No, no, no. So this is how it goes with everything. Shelly says, anybody that does anything at my residence, either Atlanta or Vegas, they work directly with Shelly. Shelly informs them, you will deal directly with me. If you have to deal with Mr. Sharp, it's not going to go well. So the best thing is to deal with me.

1:04:43Matt LaFleur:Oh, man. And you be getting on the monk?

1:04:47Shannon Sharpe:Because it's my money.

1:04:47Matt LaFleur:If you got to deal with him, it's going to be hell, huh?

1:04:50Shannon Sharpe:Yes. Yes. And you're not getting the shit. Oh, yeah. How you doing? Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. It was great. No, you're not getting that guy. No. You're not getting water from Nantucket. You're absolutely not. You're getting that mofo from down south. Yes, sir. So I just need you to understand. Yeah. Because I've done what I said I was going to do. You said you need your money. you need money this time? Okay, well Mr. Sharp, every time we complete a stage, we're going to need to get paid. Boom, no problem. I ain't got no problem with that. Nobody can ever say, well, he tried to shortchange me. If I agree to it, I will never nod yes and mean no.

1:05:34Shannon Sharpe:I got you. So you tell me, okay, this is what the job is going to cost. Whatever the case may be, Mr. Sharp we would like to get paid in stages so forth got no problem here's the deposit we take a deposit and then every two weeks we should have a phase completed until the project is done

1:05:59Matt LaFleur:it's so funny the way you explain that is exactly what they do in the grandma house grandma house obviously has been there since 1940 1949 so you have to think It's been no work done on grandma's house in 1949. Obviously, she passed in 2018. Passed down to my mama. Mama passed in 2021. So at one point in the 80s and 90s, that house, it was so nice back then during that time. We had a swimming pool. We had arcade machine on the porch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, my grandfather, I don't think this is a show to talk about that, but he was the big man in a sense. Grandma, completely different. had me blind you in church every sunday you were teaching the dade county public school system for 41 years wait a minute how you even got mixed up and married to that once i got old enough to understand who he was at that time so i i'm trying to figure out why people always coming around taking pictures this i mean old cameras too i'm talking polaroid back then you know taking pictures coming by to see the house and right that it used to be a staple in liberty city boy we got to slide by and just see Chad grandma house.

1:07:09Matt LaFleur:I didn't understand it back then. Now as they got older I get who he was. Now I not understood why people would do it. Now it looked like a sore thumb on the block. That's how bad it got because no work since 1949 so you already know. It's still your house? Yeah yeah it's still our house. What makes it up on you? What do you think I'm doing? No I'm going to tell you right now it's work being done. It's nothing the unk. Nothing is there. except the shell of the house right everything gone man and seeing some of my grandma stuff you

1:07:41Shannon Sharpe:know being being moved out of there and um yeah yeah everything going and you know she'll be mad you're doing that but you got to get inside with time changes yeah yeah and i remember when i got drafted i remember when i got drafted i say grandma boom i done made it all the work we put in all the

1:08:01Matt LaFleur:sacrifice and all the things that you've done to me, I can finally repay you back. We can move out of Liberty City. Boy, she left him and said, boy, please. I'm not going nowhere. Well, I can do some renovations to the house. We can add another story. Boy, you will not touch nothing on this house. I want it exactly how it is and how my mama got it in 1940, whatever it may have been. I said, are you sure? You don't want to move? Bigger house? Nicer? No. I said, what about a new car because you riding that diesel Benz and that loud crane. You want to get rid of the diesel? Boom. I got a BMW. She was cool.

1:08:37Matt LaFleur:Outside of that, little big body outside of that, she wouldn't move and said, do not touch her house. When I stayed with my grandma, I made it to the league. I stayed with my grandma in the city the first three, four years in the league because I refused to go get a place. She still had goddamn plastic over the goddamn couches. With the B8. Hold on, even worse. You know how you walk through the hallway? Yeah. Remember back in the days, I don't know anybody in the chat, depending on where you're from. Remember the bees that hang? Yeah. You got to go through the bees. She still had the goddamn bees in the hallway in 2000, 2003, 2002.

1:09:12Matt LaFleur:Like, grandma, what we doing? Come on. But now, I don't know how she feel up there in heaven right now. It's going to look modern, everything stainless steel and glass. And I don't know. I don't know.

1:09:26Shannon Sharpe:I believe if the house that we had that we grew up in Ocho I believe if that house had running water and indoor plumbing I don't think my grandmother would have left either I don't think she would have left the only reason that got her left she said she wanted to be able to go have indoor plumbing before she died she wanted to be able to go to the bathroom

1:09:43Matt LaFleur:right right right instead of having to go to the outhouse

1:09:46Shannon Sharpe:but she tried to bring Ocho my grandma tried to bring she had peaches and pears and blackberries and tomatoes and stuff she had canned in the 70s and 80s mid late 70s she was trying to take it to the house in 88 I'm talking about stuff that's been canned and jarred for 10 and 15 years she still tried to bring and if anybody that's my age or older you know cast iron bed bed used to be made of iron Ocho they weren't made of wood

1:10:19Matt LaFleur:they weren't made of lacquer

1:10:22Shannon Sharpe:they were made of iron you know my grandma boy I sure miss my bed

1:10:33Shannon Sharpe:that bed ain't coming

1:10:34Matt LaFleur:that bed ain't coming

1:10:38Shannon Sharpe:somebody might pay good money to get some cast iron but that bed that's coming but that's how old people are Ojo it's hard to get them out of their ways because they had grown so comfortable All my grandma had ever known For 66 years Is to go outside And she gonna get rained on She understood that she has accepted You know what that's what my great grandma added Which was her grandma Grandma Lou which was her mom That's what That's all she had ever known So she had resigned to the fact Hey hey I get to go to church I'll do what I need to do She worked at the Glenview nursing home The very home she spent the last two years of her life in even though my sister got up there every day and fed her and made sure she did everything that's where she was and then when she stopped working there she'd go and clean people's house and bade people some of them not as old as she is but couldn't get around my grump but that's what she wanted she'd go fishing Libby run me out here drop me off you can come back and get me let me stay out there about three or four hours that's what she wanted to do she wanted to be able to go fishing have my sister drop her off my uncles never come sometimes and take her mama let's go fishing I ain't got no base we already bought the mama that's what you want to do but there's no greater feeling Ocho I know the feeling that you felt when you had made it and now I can all the sacrifices you made ain't no more sacrificing granny ain't no more

1:12:15Matt LaFleur:I was ready boy she took them glasses off move where her boy get out of my face i never get i remember she promised man don't put me in no home i want to be here right in my room i'll never forget my mama had moved from la she was dying here at that point because grandma got a little dementia you know a little bit she kept falling over herself so my grandma was taking care of her and she got in bedridden you know it's where my mama had to take care of and had to change her and i'm having to go in that having to go in grandma my room and because she was in there so long i mean you know put in the wheelchair bring out all yeah yeah yeah for sure but you know i know yeah yeah the smell was still in there in 2026 i can still smell the smell in the i don't want to use the word stench but it's like it was still there it was still ingrained maybe in the carpet i don't know what it was and it's like i could barely i couldn't even go in that room you know you know at one point and just to be able to come back to the house the guy started working on the house on a monday i told my little brother i'm gonna get you somewhere to go i'm gonna get your airbnb i'm gonna pay it off for two three months so you you know good you can go to and from work um i paid the guy to deposit on a monday i went by the house on a wednesday the house was a goddamn shell every couch every cabinet like it was nothing but just the beams yeah he's the chimney my grandma had the old chimney.

1:13:44Matt LaFleur:The old chimney back in the days, the chimney was gone. Like you could walk. I mean, I don't know how many people follow me on Twitter or follow me on Instagram. You could just walk through the house. I can stand in the street and see all the way in the backyard. I'm like, how y 'all move that fast?

1:14:00Shannon Sharpe:Oh, they get it up out of there. Unbelievable. I'm sure he'll be happy with that. You'll be happy with that.

1:14:07Matt LaFleur:Yeah.

1:14:08Shannon Sharpe:You know, but them people, they love their home, man. I remember my sister called me and say, granny said she want to go to the house one more time because at that time she had never been back to the house yeah i said so when she want to go i say i said okay um i said so how how you go about that well i'll tell the people because you know it's a service medicaid they'll come pick granny up take her where she want to be and then she'll stay there x amount of time and then they'll come back and pick up. I say, say no more. I'll meet you there. I got her. Knowing how bad my grandmother, you got to realize my grandma ain't no small woman now.

1:14:51Matt LaFleur:Yes, sir.

1:14:55Shannon Sharpe:Man, I put my grandma, because it's steps. And at that point in time, we did not have it, because when she got sick, it just happened just like that.

1:15:02Matt LaFleur:Yes, sir.

1:15:03Shannon Sharpe:So we didn't have time to build, like, where you could take a wheelchair and control the wheelchair accessible. Yeah. Man, I put my grandma in there Because I was much of a man back then, Ocho Wasn't no hip problem, wasn't no knees Oh, you were good, you were good I was much of a man, Ocho I was much of a man Put my grandma in there, boy, I used to see the look on her face, Ocho She said, whew, living I ain't never think I'd see my house again So she, you know, I'm taking her through the kitchen And, you know, I ease her down I roll it down and she in the back go down the hallway, take a left take out there you say son help me get out of this chair let me sit on my bed one last time boy Ocho to see the joy that she like in her place because I say Libby do you want me to get the house just like her room is.

1:16:07Shannon Sharpe:She said, no, Shanna, you spend$300 ,000,$400 ,000. Granny ain't going to make it too much longer. And then what? We got this stuff here. She said, no, Granny fine.

1:16:16Matt LaFleur:Yeah.

1:16:16Shannon Sharpe:Granny fine. But just that. Ocho, she stayed maybe an hour. If she stayed an hour. She said, Libby, I'm ready to go back now. I just wanted to see it one more time. probably

1:16:35Shannon Sharpe:six, eight months. Yes, sir.

1:16:40Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I was like, because I didn't know because, you know, she kept, she kept, ooh, I sure wish I could see my, she kept mentioning, I said, Libby, you think she want to go? She's like, I'll, I'll, I'll, you know, she had a right mind. It wasn't like she, she knew everything, she knew all her grandkids and so forth and so on. She knew all that. So I was like, every time I talk to her, she keeps saying she want to go to the house one last time. I say, you think she want to go back to stay or she just want to go visit? Because I was confused, Ocho. They would say, I'm going to ask her and see. She said she just want to visit.

1:17:14Shannon Sharpe:I said, well, how are you going to go about that? She said, I just called the people. And people, you know, just like they'll come get you from the place, take you to your doctor's appointment, X, Y, and Z, wherever you mean to go. And then they'll come back and get you.

1:17:26Matt LaFleur:Yeah.

1:17:27Shannon Sharpe:I say tell them people to come get you I'll meet them at the house I'll meet them at the house and I'll take it from there man ain't nothing like that bro all this and people like man I said all my hips all my knees my back I would do it 10 times over to see that woman the joy if y 'all could see the joy on that woman's face

1:17:57Shannon Sharpe:Do it all over again, Ocho.

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