Nightcap Hour 1: Shedeur Sanders makes NFL DEBUT + Ja’Marr Chase is FOUL for SPITTING on Ramsey

17 Nov 2025 · 1 h 15 min · 29 chapters

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In short

Nightcap Hour 1 focuses on NFL Week 11 storylines, mainly the Eagles’ 16-9 win over the Lions in harsh wind conditions, plus Ravens vs. Browns (Shadur Sanders’ NFL debut for the Ravens), and a Bengals incident involving Ja’Marr Chase allegedly spitting on Rams’ Jalen Ramsey.

Guests/backgrounds

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (former NFL All-Pro/Pro Bowler; Bengals WR) joins host Shannon Sharpe. (No other guests are named in the transcript.)

Key claims

  1. Eagles won “ugly” but correctly; defense dominated Detroit and limited explosive plays.
  2. A.J. Brown’s frustration is tied to a reported closed-door meeting with Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie; Brown allegedly promised to stop complaining on social media.
  3. Kevin Stefanski’s handling of Ravens QB Shadur Sanders is criticized as “malpractice” because Sanders reportedly took zero snaps with the starters before his debut.
  4. Ja’Marr Chase is described as “foul” for spitting on Jalen Ramsey.

Notable examples/stats

  • Eagles: Jalen Hurts 14/28, 135 yards, 0 TD/0 INT; Saquon 26-83; Jordan Davis tied league lead with 6 batted balls; Lions QB Jared Goff 14/37 with 1 TD and 1 INT.
  • Ravens debut: Shadur Sanders 4/16 for 47 yards, 0 TD/0 INT; Dylan Gabriel concussed and left in Q3.

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Chapters

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The State of News and Trust

0:23 to 1:00

Discussion on the current state of news reporting and public trust.

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The State of News and Trust

1:37 to 1:47

Discussion on the current state of news reporting and public trust.

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The State of News and Trust

2:38 to 5:01

Discussion on the current state of news reporting and public trust.

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Eagles vs. Lions Game Recap

6:27 to 6:38

Analysis of the Eagles' victory over the Lions and game dynamics.

Eagles vs. Lions Game Recap

6:46 to 7:39

Analysis of the Eagles' victory over the Lions and game dynamics.

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Eagles' Defensive Performance

7:39 to 14:00

Discussion on the Eagles' defensive strategies and player performances.

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Eagles' Strategy and Game Analysis

14:00 to 20:40

Discussion on the Eagles' game strategy and performance against the Lions.

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Eagles' Strategy and Game Analysis

23:31 to 24:08

Discussion on the Eagles' game strategy and performance against the Lions.

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Eagles' Performance and Player Dynamics

24:20 to 28:00

Continued analysis of the Eagles' performance and player interactions.

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Eagles Offense and A.J. Brown's Role

28:00 to 34:52

Discussing A.J. Brown's frustrations and the dynamics of the Eagles' offense.

“During the 10-minute meeting, Brown promised Lurie that he would stop complaining on social media.”
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Eagles Offense and A.J. Brown's Role

36:15 to 37:10

Discussing A.J. Brown's frustrations and the dynamics of the Eagles' offense.

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Understanding Quarterback Protection

42:00 to 43:48

Learn how to protect quarterbacks through proper offensive line calls.

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Importance of Offensive Coordination

43:48 to 45:41

Discover how quarterbacks and coaches collaborate on play-calling.

“When I wasn't the starter my first couple of years, they would put me in the game.”

Transitioning from Backup to Starter

45:41 to 48:24

Explore the dynamics of a quarterback stepping in after an injury.

“To piggyback off what you said about quarterbacks, you know, having those conversations with coaches before games start on plays that they're comfortable with and some of the things that they want to do.”

The Dominance of Myles Garrett

48:24 to 53:17

Analyze Myles Garrett's impact and potential on the field this season.

“He threw the fan in the tight end 44 on the crosser on the dagger route.”

The Quest for Recognition

53:17 to 56:00

Discuss the challenge for great players on losing teams to receive accolades.

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Discussing Shadour Sanders' Performance

56:00 to 57:29

Analysis of Shadour Sanders' debut performance and team dynamics.

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Cadence and Communication in Football

57:30 to 59:51

The importance of cadence and communication between quarterbacks and receivers.

“Gabriel got practice snaps as a backup with Flacco at QB1.”

Myles Garrett's Support for Shadour

59:52 to 1:01:10

Myles Garrett emphasizes team support for Shadour Sanders.

“But it's different when it's different body types going out there, different way how people get out of routes.”

Quarterback-Receiver Trust and Timing

1:01:11 to 1:03:58

Exploration of the trust required between quarterbacks and receivers.

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The Challenge of In-Game Adjustments

1:03:59 to 1:07:36

Discussing the difficulties quarterbacks face when thrown into games unexpectedly.

“So, to ask Kedur to get in a game in which he has not taken any snaps from the center, he hasn't thrown to Judy, he hasn't thrown to Hannah, he hasn't thrown to any of those guys, and they expect him to work a miracle.”

Analyzing Recent NFL Games

1:07:37 to 1:10:03

Review of the latest NFL games, focusing on key player performances and incidents.

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Discussion on Spitting Incident

1:10:03 to 1:10:55

Analyze the incident where Ja'Marr Chase allegedly spat on Jalen Ramsey.

“I ain't never opened my mouth to that guy.”

Consequences of Actions

1:10:56 to 1:14:37

Discuss the implications of Chase's actions and the potential for suspension.

“And Jalen Ramsey said, Jalen Ramsey said he spit on me.”

Personal Reflections on Sportsmanship

1:14:38 to 1:18:48

Reflect on the importance of behavior and the consequences of emotional decisions in sports.

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Handling Conflict in the NFL

1:18:49 to 1:20:55

Explore how players should handle conflicts and the consequences of their actions.

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NFL Game Recap and Future Outlook

1:20:56 to 1:24:00

Recap recent NFL games and discuss team dynamics and player injuries.

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Discussion on Team Performances

1:24:00 to 1:25:34

The hosts discuss NFL team performances and game outcomes.

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Discussion on Team Performances

1:26:45 to 1:27:20

The hosts discuss NFL team performances and game outcomes.

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7:02Shannon Sharpe:Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Check out my Media Company page on all of its platforms. That's SheShe Media and my clothing company, 84, with 84 being spelled out. That link is pinned in the chat. The game that you just watched, the Eagles defeat the Lions by the score of 16-9. Ochoa, me personally, I think that was a horrible pass interference call. That is a play on because, you know, it could have went either way. But I don't think that I don't. I personally don't think it was a P.I. Oh, yes. I don't. But that's being said, the Eagles win this ballgame. They moved to eight and two with a 16 to nine victory.

7:38Shannon Sharpe:And the Lions dropped six and four. Ocho. Yeah. We're going to talk about this a little later. But there was a meeting between A.J. Brown and the owner, Jeffrey Lurie. We'll talk about that. So Chad, it didn't happen because, you know, y 'all going to get mad at Ocho and I for talking about it. Y 'all going to say it didn't happen, although everybody has reported that it did happen. You keep telling Ocho and I there's nothing going on. But normally, players and owners don't have closed-door meetings. That's normal. I've never had a closed-door. I did once I was retired, you know what I'm saying.

8:13Shannon Sharpe:But anyway, Ocho, the Eagles did what they needed to do. Jalen Hurst was 14-28, 135 yards, no touchdowns, no interceptions. Again, he didn't turn the ball over. He had one fumble, but they ended up recovering it. Saquon was 26 of 83. Nothing to write home about. 40 rush attempts, 148 yards. The wind was gusting, I think, probably excess of 30, 40 miles an hour, which made it difficult. And knowing what you know, having played in Cincinnati, Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, where the wind swirls and it gets hard, you know points are going to be at a premium. And we know how Dan Campbell is. He's very aggressive.

8:48Shannon Sharpe:But I thought the night didn't call for aggressiveness. because points were going to be at a premium and it wasn't going to be a ball game, Ocho, where you're going to get 31, 28, 35, 34, something like that. So points were going to be at a premium. But what did you like about what you saw from them? I mean, listen, they were resilient. They were resilient. Obviously, they weren't carried by the offense. The offense did just enough. A.J. Brown had somewhat of a down night. 11 targets. He had 11 targets. He caught seven of those. He had 49 yards. I mean, Saquon had 26 carries for 83 yards, but the defense dominated.

9:23The defense dominated. The fact that it's as explosive as the Detroit Lions offense is, I mean, they were held in check. They were held in check. Goff was, what, 14 for 37. He had one TD. He had an interception. They were able to hold Gibbs. Sonic. Is Gibbs Sonic? Yeah. Listen, they were able to hold him 12 carries for 39 yards. No. Yeah, yeah. Wait, hold on.

9:49Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but he got it in the past. So he got, if you look at it, Ocho, he had 107 yards received and five carries, five catches. So he got his yards from scrimmage. He just didn't get them the way we conventionally used to see them. Yeah, absolutely. But that goddamn Eagles defense put them boys and play some goddamn balls, especially that front four. Jordan Davis had him a night to night. Jalen. How many balls did they bat down, Ocho? Five, 6, 7? Maybe, if I'm not mistaken, maybe about 7, 8. Maybe about 7 and 8. Because Jordan Davis, I think I saw him get 3. Carter got 2. 97 got 1. I mean, every time I turn around, and it's so fuss for you, Ocho.

10:31Shannon Sharpe:Because you know, you're like, oh, yeah, I got it. Damn! Matter of fact, listen, and all it is is just being able to disengage. If you can't get to the quarterback, use your eyes. Use your eyes. Hold the offensive player out and play the passing lane. Play the passing lane with your hands and, you know, watch the quarterback's eyes. And it worked wonderfully. Jalen Phillips had a sack tonight. And listen, in the back end, they played very well as well. They played really, really good. I mean, honestly, it was somewhat of a boring game. It was a boring game. The elements played a factor in that.

11:07But I enjoyed it. And the fact that, you know, offensively the Eagles didn't look to par as we like them to look, but they still got the most important stat. They got the W.

11:21Shannon Sharpe:That's what they do. I mean, they don't, you know, there have been times they need to score 35 and they score 35. Sometimes they need to score 10, they score 10. They do what is necessary to win. And they don't put themselves in harm's way. I just felt that Campbell was rolling the dice a little bit too early, too soon. There are times that, you know, punt the ball away and pin them down. Make them go. Don't give them a short field. Goff turned the ball over early. And I think they got three points out of that. But Detroit, they better get home field. Yeah. Because anybody they could potentially play, unless it's the Rams, they're going to probably be outside.

12:00Shannon Sharpe:And the conditions, you know what the conditions are. in January, they're going to probably be like this. Maybe even worse. So you don't know because when you look at the schedule, let's see, Philly is the one seed, probably only going to get one team out of that division. Green Bay, Chicago, those are two teams that could possibly get in. Guess what, Ocho? The weather is bad there. So Philly is bad. The Rams, Seattle. Seattle, you know, Seattle is terrible. Although they lost today, we'll talk about them. But I just thought, look, it's tough. I could just imagine because Jalen has to answer questions, not about Detroit, but about A.J.

12:47And it's starting to bother me.

12:51Shannon Sharpe:Like, man, I want to focus on Detroit. Ask me something about Detroit. And it's hard because they're making a conscious effort. They're putting plays in the game plan to make me – I ain't going through my progression. Throw it to AJ. Throw it to AJ. And that got Goff into trouble because Goff had a time, had to tie it in on a shallow cross, but he's looking for Alvin Roth. What happens, Ochoa, a lot of times when the tight end blocks, they're taught unless the guy that's covering him, unless he's green-dogging, he's taught, okay, start looking for crosses. Start looking. And so what happened is that he blocked.

13:27Shannon Sharpe:The linebacker is not green-dogging, which means he's not blessing. So he starts looking and dropping the coverage. He comes on the shallow cross, but ball. Yeah. But he's looking at Amin Ra because he'd already made his mind up where he's going with the football. And it's hard to undo that. And you see Montgomery is jumping up and down there in the middle of the field like. I'm open. The tie there was Scott Free. You see golf player with gloves on. But I think it just got frustrating because he has some opportunities. And then they bat the ball right back down his face like we were playing beach volleyball.

14:04Shannon Sharpe:And it's tough. It was frustrating to watch. But, look, the Eagles are going to look. The Eagles, they're not going to win style points. And winning, this is not gymnastics. This is not swimming, you know, platform diving or anything like that where it's subjective. No, this is about wins and losses. And how do we get the win is unimportant. The most important thing is that we got the win. Not how we got it. Is that what we got it? and that's what the Eagles do Ocho the Eagles win it ain't pretty it's not pretty and the one thing also when I'm thinking about a game like this I'm thinking how Dan Campbell's thinking in a sense you know what I'm going to take some chances I'm going to go for it on four down to see if I can get those points in premium due to the elements and force the Eagles to play a different style of game force them to play a different style of game and put the pressure on them to be able to put points up and keep up with us.

15:01To me, that's the thinking and the way Dan Campbell might have been thinking on how he wanted to play this game. Let's get up early on him and force him to be able to throw the ball. Let's make him uncomfortable. Let's put them in a position where they want to do something they don't want to do. And that's the only thing I can think. In the defense, they step up to the challenge. They step up to the challenge and play it extremely well.

15:24Shannon Sharpe:If you got Laporta, I give you that. because he's a guy that can win against your linebackers, against your safeties. So I'll give you that. But given what you're up against, considering the elements that probably 17 points would win you this ball game, the last thing you want to do is give away field position and let them get easy points. If they drive the field and they get a field goal, if they drive the field and they get a touchdown, I can live with that. But I can't put them on a short field and let them get one field goal and now, excuse me, let them get one first down and now they're in field goal range.

16:01Shannon Sharpe:Or even if they don't score, they're going to have me backed up. And so now I'm constantly trying to swim up. I feel like a salmon in spawning season. I feel like I'm swimming upstream and there's a lake full of bears. They get fooled because they hibernate. They got to eat all they can because they're about to go into hibernation. And that's what happened to Detroit is that they gave the Eagles short fields and even when they didn't score points, Ocho, it kept them backed up. And they just needed to start one. I mean, they did a great job of stopping the tush push and got a short field, ended up getting a field goal out of it.

16:39But like I said, it would have been very interesting to see

16:44Shannon Sharpe:if they don't call that P.I. call, can they go down and get a touchdown? Put it like this, I'm not putting no money that means something to me that they're going to go down and get a touchdown. you might put some money on it that means something to you that says okay yeah Detroit's going to go down and get a touchdown you know what's funny is I don't I don't think it would have made a difference I don't think it would have made a difference whether it was a PR or not I don't think they would have been able to get that touchdown as well as the damn Eagles play defense all night long all four quarters you know it looked like it looked like what it did they were able to they were able to get nine points nine points we talked about a ramp to about the Rams We talk about a Lions team that's able to score, you know, in bulk.

17:26They're number two in scoring average of about a little low, almost 32 points a game. So for them to come out today, and I'm not going to blame the elements. I'm not going to blame the weather, you know, at all.

17:35Shannon Sharpe:Because both teams had to play. Exactly, and we've seen them play in cold weather before and still be able to put up points, you know, at will. So I think the Eagles, they played one hell of a game on all three levels. On all three levels. They were phenomenal. They did. and the thing is Ocho but you know about dome teams there's a reason why dome teams don't go to the Super Bowl unless they're in their own building because when you have to go outside and you have to normally late January the weather's bad you go to Philly or you go to Cincinnati you go to Pittsburgh you go to Baltimore you go to Kansas City if you're a dome where the team is really not conducive normally you look at the Rams they got to the Super Bowl how they had home field when they didn't have home field is tough.

18:24Shannon Sharpe:I mean, the only warm-weather team that I can remember going on the road to get to the Super Bowl is Tampa. It's when they went on the road to Philly, and they beat Philly in Philly. And it took a Herculean effort from their defense because the offense really didn't do anything. Rondé Barber ended up getting like a 90-yard pick six, something like that. But it's very tough. So Detroit's got their work cut out for them. If they want to get to where they want to be, and it's not going to be easy because I don't know if you notice, Chicago's playing really, really well. That quarterback is getting more and more comfortable.

18:54Shannon Sharpe:Hold on. And Green Bay has found a way to win. I was like, I mean, sometimes I don't know, Jordan Love, you need to realize he had to go to the tent because all of a sudden he's like, I'm Derrick Henry. Oh, no, you're not. Until the tent, he went and ended up going inside until he figured out, like, nah, bro, you can't take shots. You can't take shots on your shoulder like that. If you look at the Eagles, Ocho, they've beaten the Lions, the Packers, the Vikings, the Bucs, the Rams, and the Chiefs. With the exception of the Vikings, everybody else theoretically is still in playoff contentions. I mean, maybe the Vikings still are, but the Chiefs, although they're ninth in the division, all you need to take is seventh.

19:42Shannon Sharpe:There's still an outside chance that they could win the division, but the Rams, they're clearly in sole possession of it because they beat Seattle today. So to beat the Lions, to beat the Packers, to beat the Bucs, to beat the Rams, to beat the Chiefs, that's a good football team. Now, you're just not going to just go in there and willy-nilly just go roll over them. So if you think that's what's going to happen, that ain't happening. They're very well coached. And I know a lot of people don't like their offense and Kevin Petula, blah, blah, blah. They're not going to beat themselves. You're going to have to beat him.

20:18Shannon Sharpe:Jerry Goff, worst completion percentage in a single game in his career, Ocho. 37.8 % tonight. The ninth lowest mark by a quarterback who has at least 35 attempts since 2005. The Eagles defense did it again. Copenhagen spit-free packs American-grown tobacco into pouches. Made for when your elbow's deep in an engine block. They're masked up, torching deep cuts into stubborn pipes. Her helmet's on, riding deep into backcountry. When there's no time or space to spit, grab Copenhagen's spit-free pouches. Find them in stores today. Not all varieties available in all geographies. Warning, this product can cause mouth cancer.

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24:22Shannon Sharpe:So basically, 148, 148, and 124. So they had about 270 yards. Hey, you know what's funny? We have all this discourse and all this talk about A.J. Brown and the offense and it not living up to the standards and evolving as an offense as opposed to what they did last year. And Saquon really hasn't had a day yet. what we're used to seeing. I think at some point, they're going to hit their stride. At some point, I think things are going to open up that often is going to change. Especially, I think it's going to start clicking when it matters most. Not only are they getting wins right now, they're getting the wins ugly.

25:04But I think at some point, maybe that momentum or they catch fire at the right time when it matters most. Obviously, they're winning games ugly. The defense is carrying the load. and probably the main or the majority reason why they're winning. But I think once the offense catches up to where the defense is, and maybe just halfway, maybe just halfway, I think they're going to be a force to reckon with, especially once they get to the goddamn playoffs. And there's a good chance if they keep playing like this defensively and if the offense gets any better or any more efficient, especially on the ground and the run, and they have a healthy balance of both, man, it's going to be hell, huh?

25:47It's going to be hell.

25:48Shannon Sharpe:But we know at some point in time, one team offense is going to have their way with that defense. And then the offense is going to have to bail them out. We've seen it happen no matter what. Everybody has a game in which whatever your strong suit is, you struggle, and the other side of the ball needs to bail you out. And it's normally the side that has struggled. So the offense has really struggled, but the defense has been exemplary. So what happens when an offense, opposing team offense, has their way with that defense? And I'm saying, you know, somehow they get 28, get 31 points. Now we're going to need Jalen Hurts and we're going to need that offense to go match that and go get 32, get 33, get 34 points.

26:30Shannon Sharpe:So we know that game is coming. We don't know who it's going to be. Maybe it's the Cowboys because the Cowboys, that's a division rival game. You throw everything out of the window. Don't look how bad the Cowboys are. I know the Cowboys have played like some stir fry this year. But against a division opponent, you throw everything out of the window. But that was a big win for the Eagles. 8-2 on the season. Dropped the Lions to 6-4 with a score of 16-9. Jordan Davis, Ocho, entered the night with three batted balls. He finished with a tie for the league lead with six. So he had three. Carter probably had two.

27:08Shannon Sharpe:97, I think that's Hunt. I'm not mistaken.

27:15Shannon Sharpe:had one, but they won. They played well. They handled the elements, the conditions better than Detroit did because how do I practice that, Ocho? I normally practice in the dome. So they probably went outside. I'm sure they went outside. Because it's cold in Detroit right now. It's cold in Detroit. Yeah. And knowing Dan Campbell, to get them ready for the elements and what it's going to be like on Sunday, we're going to practice outside Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. Yep. Before the game, reports came out from ESPN's Sal Palantonio, the guy that knows all things Eagles. He's been covering the Eagles for probably 40 years.

27:55Shannon Sharpe:A.J. Brown met with Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie during practice last week to hash out Brown's public frustration over his role in Philly's offense. During the 10-minute meeting, Brown promised Lurie that he would stop complaining on social media. Brown told Lurie that he just wants to be a part of an offense and is frustrated. All right, Chad. Hey, Eagle fan, me and Ocho didn't know what we was talking about. We just making stuff up. Now, how many times have you ever heard of Jeffrey Lurie? He's on this team for two decades. Met with a player about something that he was posting on social media.

28:31Shannon Sharpe:Met with a player about his role in the offense, his role in the defense. Hey, Chad, this is only for Eagle fans. I don't want anybody else to chime in because Ocho and I, we just doing this for clicks. Mainly you, because Ocho, Ocho, cool. We like Ocho, but it's mainly you. So Eagles fans, I want y 'all to tell me the time that your owner has met with a previous player over his role in the offense or the defense. I'm going to give you a couple of minutes to chime in.

29:03Shannon Sharpe:Now, like I said, Ocho, I understood from the beginning, my only thing was, I said, AJ, is just that when you do this publicly, and you're winning, and you say your goal is to win, and you're winning, the fans are not gonna look at it like, man, I wanna be involved because I wanna take this offense to the next level. They're gonna look at it as you complaining and being selfish because you're not getting stats. That's how it's gonna be perceived. So my thing was just keep it behind closed doors. He probably kept it behind closed doors, Ocho. as long as you can all this stuff so much stuff in the closet until you open the door and all that ish come rolling out.

29:45Absolutely. And the funny thing about it too is you know what I think? I think he's had those conversations behind closed doors. I think he's had those conversations with Jalen. I think he's had those conversations with Coach Sirianni. Sirianni, Petula. He might have because this has been going on since last year. It's been going on since last year. So I think the conversations have already been had and he hasn't been heard because nothing has changed. Nothing has changed but what But A.J. Brown has to understand this offense is run a certain way. It's always run a certain way. And the way that they do it, Jalen Hurst does not put the ball in harm's way.

30:20He's not going to take the chances like Aaron Rodgers. He's not going to take the chances like a Brett Favre or a gunslinging quarterback. I'm going to make the right reads. I'm going to do the right things with the ball. And I'm not going to put my team in harm's way and have us behind the eight ball when it comes to playing football. and that's just that's the nature of the business in the way they do things and i think the eagles like the kind of quarterback that they do have it's not pretty it's not it's not aesthetically pleasing he's not gonna go out there and throw for no 400 500 yards that's not the offense they know it doesn't ask for him to do that but when time come when time's coming you put him in situations where he has to beat you with his arm we've seen him do it hell a la last year in the Super Bowl.

31:02They weren't allowing Saquon to get diddly. Diddly squat. What did he do? He used his arm and he won the game. This year, things don't look like it should. They're not able to run the ball. Hell, they're not even throwing the ball well. They get it in his first. But what are they doing? They're being carried by the defense. That's why I think at some point the roles are going to reverse. There's going to be a game, just like you said, with a defense, they're going to get had. They're going to be a team that's going to be able to take advantage of them. and the funny thing about it, you think about the teams that have the opportunity or have a chance to put up multiple points and have an offensive scoring high volume output, you think about the Chiefs they beat the Chiefs, here you think about the Lions tonight, they score 27, 28, almost 30 a game not yet, it's going to be a team you least expected, it's going to be a team you least expected and they're going to have their goddamn weight and it's going to come time where Jalen Hurst is going to have to step up and he's going to beat you with your arm or Saquon is going to do what he do on the ground like he did last year that he hasn't been able to do yet this year.

32:05Shannon Sharpe:This offense is built to play with a lead because of the way they play is run and pass. A lot of teams pass to run. So, Ocho, you're afraid of us throwing the football, so now you play coverage and we can run into a light box. So the way the Eagles are built, they're built to run, and then we're going to pass. We're not going to let you dictate when we pass. but they normally pass and it's third and short. What gets the Eagles in trouble is when it's third and long and they're having to pass the football. See, when it's third and short, Ocho, you don't know. I can run it with Saquon or I can use Hurts' legs or I can do something quick, screen to Jalen, screen to Devontae, quick something, quick pop to Goddard.

32:55Shannon Sharpe:They get into trouble when you start, they start third and 10, third and 12. that's when they get into trouble and so they do a great job of knowing that's where we're vulnerable at staying out of situations like that but give them credit they won tonight play the elements better that's what you have to do when you're at home mojo hey we're in our environment we're eagles we play and we we practice outside hey and one problem i do have about watching the game tonight the fact that i can steal i don't play for the eagles i don't play for the eagles but i I watch a lot of football and I watch the Eagles all season long.

33:29Hell, I watch every goddamn team. But the fact that I can tell you based on A.J. Brown's alignment, I can tell you exactly where Routy's running. That's not good. That's not good because if I know it and I'm not watching film, I'm just watching the games each and every Sunday. What do you think those that are playing across from him are doing? He had 11. I think he had maybe 11 targets or something like that. But it's the same stuff over and over and over. If he lines up two yards outside the number, if he's by himself, he's running the hitch. if he's at the top or the slant if it's two by two and Smeadie's on the side with him or the Titans on the side with him he's off the ball he's running the slant it's like the same thing if he's inside he's running the quick out or the stick it's just the same there's really no creativity and they like to put him on the left hand

34:22Shannon Sharpe:side Ocho they like to throw him the goal ball on the left hand side If you notice that, Ocho, a lot of his goal balls are on the left-hand side. I understand his frustrations. Not only is he not putting up the numbers he'd like to, but you know what's actually coming based on his alignment and where he is. Route recognition, formation recognition, and the tendencies are the same. Copenhagen's spit-free pouches are packed full of American-grown tobacco. made for welders stuck behind masks or mechanics stuck on a fused spark plug a long-haul trucker stuck in gridlock for foreman working late at the field office or anytime there's no time or space to spit there's copenhagen spit-free pouches find them in stores today not all varieties available in all geographies warning this product can cause mouth cancer.

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38:38Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, the Ravens beat the Browns by the score of 23-16. But what overshadowed that was Shadur Sanders getting his first taste of NLB action. Dylan Gabriel got concussed in the third quarter and went out of the ballgame, excuse me, and did not return. Shadur came in. Shadur's stats was 4 of 16, 47 yards, zero touchdown and interception. He had a couple opportunities late in the ball game. He had a couple of drops. He had a couple of drops. Look, and listening to, I found it on social media, for Kevin Stefanski to say the first time that Shadour Sanders had taken a snap with the starters, with the ones, was in this game is malpractice.

39:28Shannon Sharpe:At no point in time, and this is what I said, Ocho, so at no point in time. So you don't think Dylan Gabriel could possibly get hurt? He can't possibly bring a knee, bring a shoulder, get concussion. There's no possible way anything could possibly go wrong that you want to get Shadour like one rep with the ones, two reps with the ones. I ain't saying split it 50-50. I understand that. But even when John was taking the majority of the reps, John, if we did 10 reps in a period, the backup would take two just in case. So for Shadour Sanders, here we are in week 11. the man got drafted in may and at no point in time had he taken one snap with the ones it's very very disappointing you know hold on hold on hold on hold on look not not only is it disappointing right and a lot of people say hey listen yo you and uncle we were you were screaming for your door to start you wanted to get in there and look at look at his stat line look at look at what he did well obviously i'm i'm i'm confused and i'm trying to understand uh this this ain't Madden you don't you don't just you don't just take out one quarterback and put another quarterback in and expect success to happen especially when you haven't had any reps with the ones when it comes to the play calling when it comes to the play calling what play calls are you going to be able to call for a quarterback that hasn't had any reps with the ones you don't know what he does well what he doesn't done Woody you don't know what he does well you don't know what he what he's not going to be good at because there's there's there's there's no chemistry There's no chemistry.

40:58So you're just out there calling plays all willy-nilly, not knowing how the offense can run. And I know as a quarterback, you're supposed to be prepared. You're supposed to know if the opportunity presents itself, you got to be able to go in there and do what you can do. But, like, come on. No reps at all? Let me ask you a question. No reps at all?

41:19Shannon Sharpe:No. But let me ask you this. normally on Saturday or Sunday morning Dylan Gabriel will tell Stefanski these are the plays that I really like every quarterback does that every quarterback does that every quarterback does that so do you think he had any idea of the plays that Shadour likes or he's just going to call plays oh here's my play sheet because you build your play sheet around the quarterback and what he likes what he's good at, what you know he's good at. You don't even know what Shadou is good at. Now, it's going to be very interesting. Look at this play. Now, you got three guys blocking one guy, and somebody about to come in and hit Shadou or Dan is round.

42:04Shannon Sharpe:Now, what should have happened was a redirect. You slide the line to the left, and now, guess what? You got the guard or the center to hit that guy that's looping around, and now you're protected. But, hey, the O-line is going to have to make calls until Shadour gets in the groove. He's not there right now to say, no, no, no, no, no. I want you to go here. Hey, redirect, redirect. Let's liz this. Let's liz this. Let's loosey this. Now we're going to slide the line to the left. Now we're going to take, hey, you only got one guy rushing on the right. Why the hell we got three guys? And now we got a guy finna come in here and try to put his helmet up under Shadour's chin.

42:46Shannon Sharpe:so it's going to be very interesting this week I'm sure Gabriel is going to be in protocol we'll see if he if Shadour is going to get the start against I think they play the Raiders I think they play the Raiders we'll see if he gets the start against the Raiders and he'll get an opportunity to take all the reps all the ones and Stefanski will have an idea what he likes and will call plays accordingly that's how it works And honestly, it's very important, too, for Stefanski to understand and know what his quarterback likes to do because it allows you to call plays and put them in advantageous situations for you.

43:25It just makes your job easier. It just makes your job easier as a head coach and for a quarterback to know what he likes so the offense is able to run smooth. I mean, it's really easy. It's not about Dylan Gabriel. It's not about Shadour Sanders. is about putting our players in positions for them to succeed and give us our best chances to win. That's all.

43:48Shannon Sharpe:I'll give you a prime example, Ocho. When I wasn't the starter my first couple of years, they would put me in the game. But when I came in the game, guess what? I know we're going to run. Because they say, okay, when you come in the game, this is what we're running. This is going to be your opportunity to make a play. They got a small cornerback. We're going to throw the fade. I don't care what the coverage is. We're going to throw the fade. We're expecting you to go up over the top of it. Okay, in this situation, we're going to bump this coverage. If they bump with it, that means this man coverage, you're going to be one-on-one, inside leverage, linebacker with inside leverage.

44:24Shannon Sharpe:So we're going to call a play where you're breaking away. So I knew. Now, if I'm just all of a sudden going to game and they're not calling plays for me, I just got – when they are quarterbacks always you go listen to Brady, you go listen to Manny go listen to Breeze and any big men, any of these quarterbacks they say me and the offensive coordinator we went over the Saturday night or day of the game this is what I really like normally it's Saturday night and you come and say okay so what do you like? so Brady and Manny would say I got these what Manny called his own thing so let's do Brady Breeze and all these other guys this is what I like this is what I like in this 31-3, 33-5 35-7 this is what I really really like now this is what I like in this area of the field this is what I like in the red zone this is what I like out of this personnel because I feel out of this personnel we're more likely to get this coverage which gives us a benefit or gives us an advantage so all that's going through the mind but for a quarterback Ocho not to get no reps I'm talking about none he said it yeah see and i was like what i mean listen to mary kate cabinet looking to listen to people that they're they're saying shadoo is not getting any reps as a matter of fact bailey it'll be very interesting and somebody should have asked him well let me ask you this coach stefanski did bailey zappy get any reps with the ones because it makes no sense if bailey zappy is getting reps with the ones and then why would you put shadoo in that situation why not how Bailey Zappi is too.

45:58Yeah, and it's funny. And you know what? To piggyback off what you said about quarterbacks, you know, having those conversations with coaches before games start on plays that they're comfortable with and some of the things that they want to do. For one, especially early in the game, to get them in the rhythm. And you mentioned Brady. And hell, I was there for that. I've seen it with my own eyes. I've seen it the night before in the hotel on Saturdays when the meeting ends. Bill O 'Brien, the receiver, and the Tom Brady sit there, they go over the plays that he likes. And Bill O 'Brien will run off plays.

46:28He'll call off plays. You know what? I don't like that one. Let's save that one for later on in the game in a certain situation when we may need it. And he had those first 15 plays that he really, really likes and he's comfortable with, and that's what he would go with. Yeah, that's how it should be.

46:46Shannon Sharpe:Because at the end of the day, you got to run what the quarterback feels comfortable with. You got to set your ego aside. Sometimes we want to bring our ego to the party, but it's not your party. so you don't get to dress how you want to. We said this is an 80-themed party. Don't you bring your ass in here without a wig, without an afro, and some platform shoes on. No choice of bell balls. You know what I'm saying? This is not your party. So you call plays accordingly because if the quarterback is telling you what he likes in certain situations, he's going to feel the most comfortable when you call that.

47:17Shannon Sharpe:He's going to be the most assured of himself and the offense if you call that. I'm glad, like I said, hopefully Dylan Gabriel is okay. First of all, let's start with that because I'm not big and hoping somebody gets hurt and somebody else gets an opportunity. Sometimes that happens. Sometimes players go down and then other players get their opportunity. That's how Brady got his opportunity. Someone went down and he made the most of it. I got my opportunity, someone went down and I made the most of it. But, you know, in order for Shadour to get in, Dylan Gabriel had to get dinged. Hopefully he's okay.

47:53Shannon Sharpe:Maybe he comes back. Maybe he comes back this week and we're back to square one, Ocho. Dylan Gabriel's in there taking all the ones and we're moving forward. We don't know. We'll see how this thing plays out if he's still in protocol. But I think now that you're in a situation where there's a great chance. I believe there's a greater than 50 % chance that you're going to start. because I don't care what anybody says you pair you prepare differently as a starter than you do a backup you just not not only do you prepare differently from the starter to the backup but the play calling changes significantly the play calling completely changes completely different game plan depending on who you have a quarterback based on their skill sets and what they're able to do I told I totally agree but uh um you know things are a lot faster now in the NFL than they are in college.

48:48Shannon Sharpe:Guys move faster. You got to throw guys open. I like that guy. He threw the fan in the tight end 44 on the crosser on the dagger route. I thought he threw that with timing. He hit Jew with one and Jew made a great move. He had another one. A couple of guys dropped one. 84 had one in his hand but give Awuzie credit. He's pulled it out. Great play by Awuzie. That was a great play. That was a great play but when you have a young player in there having been in situations where you're the veteran guy and you have a young guy and you have to make plays for him. You understand that he's nervous. I don't care what anybody says.

49:22Shannon Sharpe:He's nervous. I've been here before. I've been doing this all my life. You ain't been doing it on this level all your life. You ain't did it like this with those guys all your life. So hopefully he gets an opportunity, another opportunity. He'll be better prepared than he was, and we'll get a different result. Also in this game, Miles Gary. Amen. man. Eight. He the real deal. He the real deal. He got seven games to go, so he needs eight sacks to break the record. He might very well get that. He might very... They got the Ravens again? They got the Ravens. Hold on. I bet they got Pittsburgh. They got y 'all again.

50:09He definitely might because he had three today, right? Did he have three or four?

50:12Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

50:18Shannon Sharpe:they got the at the Raiders they get the 49ers Titans at home they're at the Bears they get the Bills at home they get the Steelers at home they get the Bengals on the road now the best matchup out of everybody you said will be probably will be a matchup to watch will be Myles Garrett and Deion Dawkins

50:40Myles Garrett and Deion Dawkins now everybody else on there and there's no disrespect to them but you got your hands full.

50:47Shannon Sharpe:Oh, everybody got their hands full. You got your hands full. And obviously... What's it called? Big Trent got his hands full too? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, shoot. That's right. Big Trent got his hands full. Yeah, yeah. Everybody got their hands full. Colton Miller, everybody. Because he kicking everybody ass. He's on one of those... He's on one of those... On one of those stairs right now. It doesn't matter who's in front of him. He don't even see you. He doesn't even see you. I'm being honest. having been around, having played against great pass rushers, the Reggie Whites, the Bruce Smith, the Derrick Thomas.

51:19Shannon Sharpe:I played against Leslie O 'Neal. Go look him up if you don't know. The Greg Townsend, all those guys. The Michael Strahan's, when they get into a rhythm. Yeah, it ain't nothing you can do. Nothing you can do. It's just like a guy shooting a basket like Jordan. They say Jordan getting a zone or Steph getting a zone. Does it matter if you put your hand? You know, they put the hand in his face like you can't see. He ain't even looking at you. He looking at the rim. and he's throwing a pebble in the ocean. That's how big it looks to him. There's a chance, Ocho. It happened to happen. I don't think it's happened since 92 when Cortez Kennedy won the Defensive Player of the Year on a losing team.

51:57Shannon Sharpe:I think they were 2-14, and Ted's won the Defensive Player of the Year. That might happen because right now, Miles Garrett's the best defensive player in football. He's easily. Without question. I mean, he is so – man, he is so – for a man. his size to move like he does the way he can bend the way he can change the direction the way he can post with one arm the way he can, hey, he faking he lining up and he, ah, ah he in and out, he wax on, wax off, he ripping he bending the edge, he can huff you he can, he he has, when it comes to rushing the quarterback, he has He has no weakness because he can turn power to speed, speed to power.

52:45He just – he can snatch, pull you.

52:48Shannon Sharpe:He's just amazing. And I just hate – I just hate that he ain't going to win. Not in Cleveland. Listen, he might not win as a team collectively, but he's going to win individually. He's going to win individually every time. And sometimes in a winning effort defensively, sometimes in a losing effort. But what you get from Myles Garrett is you get consistency. You get consistency from him, and he's going to be an impact. Sometimes that impact results in wins. Sometimes it doesn't. But he's a force to be reckoned with week in and week out. And the thing is, Ocho, but when we talk about great defenders, when it comes to D linemen, what did all of them do?

53:34Shannon Sharpe:Win? Yeah. What did Reggie do? Yeah. What did Strahan do? what did LT do what did Aaron Donald do JJ Watt you've got to win I'm not saying you've got to win a championship I'm not saying you've got to win that but it's unfair you're going 3-14 you're going 5-12 but it's unfair you have to think about the situation those players were in you have to think about the team that they were on collectively as a group so they won because of the team that they were a part of there was an effort on both sides of the ball you know especially for aaron donnell michael strahan look at the defense back then look at the offense with eli manning some of the things they were doing you know during that time hell reggie white but you gotta realize that eagles team with reggie white man you gotta think about what the what the Giants were before they got Eli.

54:38Shannon Sharpe:You got to realize what they, before they got Kerry Collins and ended up going to the Super Bowl. They weren't going to no playoffs in the 90s. They weren't like that. Hey, all it takes is a quarterback. Stray was doing his thing. Oh yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. But, and guess what? Reggie got tired of losing. Reggie said, I'm going to Green Bay. Yeah, the money. They had money, but they had more money at other places. I want to win. Time. Say, man, Atlanta, y 'all trying to get me used to losing. I want to win. Got it. So at what point in time does Miles Garrett say, man, here I am. I'm getting 23, 24 sacks.

55:18And I ain't even sniffing the playoffs.

55:23Shannon Sharpe:I'm not even close to the playoffs. That my season is already over. Think about it, Ocho. We ate 10 games into the season, and Cleveland is already known. They're eliminated from the playoffs. That's crazy. That's crazy. You six games, six weeks into the season, Ocho. We got, Ocho, we got 11, 12 weeks to go. All right. Hey, man, let me see what I'm going to do. And the funny thing about it is there were teams that tried to get him before the trade deadline. There were teams that tried to get him, man. And listen, I don't know the details. I'm not an insider. I don't have the sources. But, you know, the Browns weren't going to do that.

55:58I don't think there's anything a team could offer them where they would have done it. because I think a team that really – No, not now.

56:04Shannon Sharpe:No, I don't think – I mean, personally, I don't think he wanted to leave because he's on a great pace right now. I think that's something they might revisit in the – because I'm going to make – Hey, I'm going to make you tell me like Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. You're going to have to tell me no. You know what I'm saying? You got to tell me no, Ocho. You got to tell me no. I ain't going to lie to you. You got to tell me no because he's a – Hell of a player. The real deal. And he got an opportunity. He's going to go down as one of the all-time greats. But I want to see him. I want to see him on an all-time.

56:41Shannon Sharpe:I want to see him on a big stage. I want to see him in an AFC or NFC championship game. I want to see him in the Super Bowl. I want everybody to see Miles Garrett. I want him to see just how special he is. And not have to see him watching highlights. Because you've got to think about it. As great as he is, I mean, how many people are tuning in to see the Cleveland Browns play outside of Brown fans? Unless it's the team that they're playing, unless the team that they're playing that week is playing the Browns. That's about the only time. Yep. Going back to Shadour, Wyatt Teller said after the game, this is what he said.

57:19Shannon Sharpe:Wyatt Teller said on Shadour, I think I've heard his cadence like two or three times. I think going out at halftime, we all got on the line. He said his cadence, and we kind of, okay, got through it. Again, a lot of learning, but he played his heart out. We just fell short. Gabriel got practice snaps as a backup with Flacco at QB1. Stefanski wasn't even getting Shador, his backup, at least minimal reps during the course of the week. I get Flacco to a certain extent, Ocho, because Flacco's a veteran. Gabriel isn't a veteran, and you want to try to get him as many reps as you possibly can. But at some point in time, I'm not saying you split it 50-50.

57:58Shannon Sharpe:I'm not even saying you split it 60-40. But you can't find a way to get that man two reps in a period, Ocho. So the offensive line, the running backs, and everybody can hear his cadence and understand that. Because that's very important. Some people have a slow cadence. Some people have a fast cadence. And you need to be able to hear it. So I was surprised that Stefanski said that, man, since the man got drafted. You know they had to draft him, Ocho? I know how long ago it was. And today is Sunday. Is that the 16th? November 16th. June, July, August, September, October, November. But you have to understand.

58:40Shannon Sharpe:The first time that man got first team repped was today in an actual game against a division opponent. But you have to understand that that wasn't their call. That is not the player that they wanted. They had their mind made up. They had their mind set on who they wanted to be, you know, quarterback number one. obviously it was joe flacco when things didn't work out with joe flacco they were going to dylan gabriel as their as their as their quarterback yeah they did they they just didn't see shador sanders in their plans you know now that that's their business that's that's the way they felt now things have come to a head where dylan gabriel went out with a concussion hoping i'm hoping he's okay and he can get back to the regularly scheduled program for the browns being that he is the one that they wanted to be their starter so i'm hoping he's okay and he's able to come back uh once he clear concussion protocol.

59:25Shannon Sharpe:But now, if Dylan Gabriel is out, now Shador has a whole week. He has a whole week to get all those things down, to get that rhythm, to get that timing, get that chemistry with the receivers, with the linemen, so they can hear that cadence and understand the sound and how he's going to call those plays in the huddle, and obviously at the line of scrimmage. Let's take a listen to what Shador had to say after the game, Mocho. But it's different when it's different body types going out there, different way how people get out of routes. Like what I seen on the pick initially was I see his hips turn.

1:00:05So I'm like, okay, we're going to be able to get out there. But at the same time, like playing quarterback is extremely hard. So it's like I like knowing every detail about my receivers. I like knowing the small things, what they're good at, what they're not good at. it's like so many details that helps me play confident with those guys and I know we at the bottom right now this performance, everything it will never be like this but I'm dedicated to being able to get those opportunities with those guys to have a relationship you know, I got a relationship with all the hungry dogs though We let clockwork out there, but you just got to see.

1:00:56You just got to see everything a little bit more. You know, they can come out, rouse them, do all different types of stuff.

1:01:03Shannon Sharpe:You want to go to the next sound before we respond to this? Let's take a listen to what Myles Garrett had to say about Shador after the game. Don't be discouraged from one drive or two drives. It's a good football team over there. So just trying to keep him to keep his confidence high and keep on chasing that standard, which he set. And we're going to continue to support him. He spoke after the game and he wanted to pin it on himself and his performance. But we're not going to allow him to do that. It's a team game. So we're all on this to go. He addressed the entire team in the locker room. Yeah.

1:01:42hey you know what too as a receiver and you're going to attest to this and with great understanding and those you in the chat that are listening I don't think they understand how important it is to have a cadence with your receivers to understand and to work with them you know throughout the week so to understand their movements you know their tendencies and when they're going to break when they're going to get out and being able to throw the ball I think people think you just you get out there and you just throw the ball to your receivers and it's just that easy. It's just that easy. But there's a timing and cadence to it and rhythm to it.

1:02:18That's why you always hear players talk about throwing with your quarterback and, you know, in the offseason and throwing with him in practice and getting those reps. So everything flows smooth in the middle of a game when everything is sped up times 10. and you can tell and you know when a player is about to break based on his mannerism, based on his body language and I think people watching the game of football think it's just so easy. You get the ball and you just throw it and the guy has to get open. But that's not the way it works when you have other players. Everything is easy that you can't do.

1:02:53Shannon Sharpe:Everything is easy that you can't do. I know what you mean. I know what you mean. Those that can do, those that can't talk about others that can do. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Let me ask you a question, Ocho. You played with Tom Brady. Do you think Tom Brady would allow some receiver that he didn't throw to during the course of the week to be out there on the field with him on Sunday? No, because he wouldn't trust you. Thank you. Neither would Peyton Manning, neither would John Elway. Because if there's a chance that you're going to get your ass in the game, you best believe John Elway was going to see you run a dig, an end cut, an over route, a slant, a comeback, a stop, a smoke, a shake.

1:03:32Shannon Sharpe:he's gonna see you do it in practice and guess what when it comes time to one-on-one guess what he's gonna say hey no don't wear a t let him get up there i want to see what he can do i've been with you for seven years i've been i know what you can do i but he's gonna want to see what those guys can do because if i got to go out there and battle with you on sunday i need to know i can trust you i need to see some mannerisms hey you tell him bro let me know when you're gonna break out bro I got to know when you're gonna break out you just can't do that make sure you get your depth I can't I can't listen this is 707 I can't be pardon the language chat I can't be back here jacking his ball up which means he can't be all that patting you get your head knocked off oh no you get your head knocked off no he can't do that and you hear me saying guys what y 'all think this is 707 no that ball's got to come out one two three balls out one two three four five The ball's out.

1:04:29Shannon Sharpe:So, to ask Kedur to get in a game in which he has not taken any snaps from the center, he hasn't thrown to Judy, he hasn't thrown to Hannah, he hasn't thrown to any of those guys, and they expect him to work a miracle. We're not making excuses. But look, as time progresses, he gets more and more time, we'll be able to fairly grade him on his performance. But I think it's unfair to give him a grade. If I were to give him a grade, I would say incomplete. Incomplete. hey listen hey hold on we ask him to take it we asked without without studying without without studying i mean that's unfair if you listen if you're gonna give me an assignment right at least give me the curriculum give me the curriculum that i can properly study so i can pass the goddamn test that's all make it make it fair make it fair for me just don't throw me hey don't They don't throw me out there blind.

1:05:25Shannon Sharpe:I give you a chat. I don't know how many of you guys went to college. I don't know how many of you. I'm sure a lot of you guys went to high school. Imagine showing up your first day of class and the teacher gave you a test. And you don't know what the hell it's on. No, no, no, no, no. You know the class. You're in a history class. You're in a science class. You're in a chemistry class. And the first day you show up and you go. Whoa, whoa. Where did you do that at?

1:05:54Shannon Sharpe:damn hell i you didn't even give me the syllabus you didn't even tell me what we're gonna be do what we're gonna be going over this quarter this semester i'm finna act like we in church now go ahead yeah it's tough chat and look y 'all know me i i'm not big on excuses you either get it done or you don't but having played this game having been a guy that's been in the situation that's door that didn't get a whole lot of reps. But, and when you don't get a whole lot of reps, it's hard to have confidence going into a game. I can just imagine playing the quarterback position and having to go in the game when you're taking no reps.

1:06:34Shannon Sharpe:I've never thrown to Jerry Judy. The only thing I've thrown to Jerry Judy is pat and go in warming up. I've never thrown to these guys. The center has never snapped me the ball. Because normally when I'm throwing pat and go, Ocho, they're throwing the ball underhand. The ball boy's throwing me the ball underhand. A center ain't doing that. The centers are down there, the linemen are down there working on some other stuff. So until we come as a team to stretch, then they go do, you know, we break up and they go do their thing until we come together and do 907 or whatever we're going to do. Or they got the individual peers and then we have our individual peers and then we come together.

1:07:12Shannon Sharpe:But I just think the thing is that he just needs some time. He needs to work with that offense. They need to get used to his cadence. Stefanski needs to call plays according to what his skill set and what he likes, what he feels comfortable in. I definitely think we'll see a better Shadour next week. If he starts, I guarantee you we'll see a better Shadour than what we saw. It's all about preparation. It's all about preparation. It is. It's one thing. When opportunity presents itself, if you're prepared, it looks different. You're a lot more confident. But if you don't know what to prepare for Or don't have the tools At your disposal to be able to prepare For said test This is what you get Exactly Ocho You ain't winning war without the proper weapons So Cannons and musket Nah that ain't how they doing it now They doing it with drones So Hey they they they dropping Bunker Busters from B-52s a Bunker Buster?

1:08:23Shannon Sharpe:it's a whole yeah they got those bombs now Ocho you drop because they people you know they done dug in the side of the cave they drop them and they mess up the whole bunker huh? and then explode oh man Ocho I'm sorry What happened? Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm sorry. Do me a favor. Do me a favor. Let's say that. Let's say that for last. Let's say that for last. No, no. We can't say that for last. Oh, Joe. We got to go there. We got to go now because we got some good stuff. We still got a lot of stuff to go. The Pittsburgh Steelers stayed at the top of the AFC North thanks to a 34-12 victory.

1:09:02Shannon Sharpe:Although Aaron Rodgers left the game, what many believe to be a crack at his, a break in his wrist. Mason Rudolph came in, finished 12-16, won 27 on the touchdown. He relieved Aaron Rodgers, who was not a 15, won 16 on a touchdown. They won 34-12, but that was not the story of the game. Something happened late in the ball game. Jalen Ramsey was ejected for punching Tee, not Tee Higgins, Jamar Chase in the face. They asked Chase, excuse me, they asked Jalen Ramsey what happened. Huh? Okay, we got, okay, let's take a listen to what Ramsey said after the game. He's filming, so it's up. I'm going to get a photo about football after that, respectfully.

1:09:55Shannon Sharpe:Okay, here's what Chase said. Walk us through what happened with Jalen. Um, exchanging words. You were saying that you spit on him? Did you spit on him? I ain't never opened my mouth to that guy. What do you think prompted the reaction from him? Well, he don't like some of those words I told him. He's been going back and forth the whole time, so I'm sure something got under his count. Yeah. Oh, Joe. All good. we got Austin Brisket Austin Brisket Fox 19 he got it all on tape let's take a look at this Ocho

1:10:55Shannon Sharpe:Ocho that's your guy I've met him a few times I like Chase he's the best receiver in football but he spit on Jalen Ramsey and you know and everybody knows I've been abundantly clear where I am the most disrespectful thing you can do yeah we know the N word we know the connotations and what it summons up but my grandfather used to always say he said boy you don't spit on if you're telling me I'm the ground That is the lowest thing you can do. Ocho, he spit on that man. And he lied. And Jalen Ramsey said, Jalen Ramsey said he spit on me. So it's up after that. F football after that point. Take it away.

1:11:37I mean, Uno, y 'all know how I feel about Uno. You know how I feel about Jamar. And, you know, I'm rarely critical of players. Very rarely. It takes a lot for me to be critical of someone. but this is one of those situations where I got to let Chase know, boy, you're dead wrong. As much as I love you, you can't do that. You can't do that. You can be angry. You can be mad. You can say what you want to say to a player on the field, but you can't spit on nobody, bro. Young boy, you can't spit on nobody. Obviously, you know, cooler heads will prevail, but in those situations like that, when you're angry, I know you're frustrated.

1:12:17The game might not be going your way. you're not getting the ball the way you want to get the ball. You know how the division games go. Situations like this happen all the time, especially when it's Bengals, Steelers. It's just like this. It's tight. It's tight. You get angry. You get frustrated, but you can't. You can't. You just can't. As much as I love you, I'm disappointed, obviously, in your actions. I'm going to talk to you. I haven't had the chance today. I didn't want to bother you, but if you look back you think about it you probably won't be in this situation again uh knowing the nfl and and the way they discipline they'll probably suspend you for a game and you know it'll probably never happen again it'll probably never happen again but this is something you just can't do young bull you you can't you can't do this you can't

1:13:06Shannon Sharpe:just own it just say you know my emotions hey jalen i'm sorry my emotions got the best of me when emotions are high logic is low ram i'm sorry i let my emotions get the best of me y 'all i was wrong i was dead ass wrong for what i did it's hard to do something now publicly ocho and nobody sees it because everybody got Karen's everywhere huh because Ocho if they're having a conversation and you know hey sometimes when I get excited I have to come man I'm sorry I mean we've all done that we get excited we start talking and we accidentally accidentally spray them but that wasn't no spray Ocho that was not no spray that was not a spray and he did it and he lied to reporters and he said I ain't open my mouth you did Chase you wrong bro you wrong and I know that's not what you did I'm not going to define you by that but you did that I don't believe in no show that that the worst thing that a person done that's who he obviously we got repeat offenders but there's nothing in his history nothing in his background that would suggest this is who he is so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt now the NFL they got to sit you down They've got to sit you down for a game.

1:14:30Shannon Sharpe:That's the least they can do. Jalen Ramsey, you're going to get fined a little fine, but they're not going to suspend you. Because your suspension was you got kicked out of the game. That was your punishment. And you're going to get fined. You'll probably get fined, I don't know, 12 ,000, 25 ,000, something like that. But Chase, you're going to get suspended. And I don't know why, Chase. I don't know. Ocho, I know you've been mad at people. I've been mad at people. I could but to spit on somebody do you know how disrespectful how degrading that is as a black man you Chase you know the history of Louisiana in the south that's what they used to do to your grandpa your great grandpa your great grandma yeah when they was trying to integrate the schools come on Chase we gotta be better than that we can't do that to each other I get it.

1:15:27Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, we get upset. Yeah, we get angry. But come on, we got to do better than that when it comes to each other. For us, I might disagree with something you said. I might not like what you said. And like I said, hey. But I can't. I cannot do that. Because what happens is, Ocho, if you spit on somebody, whatever that individual does to you after that, I'm good with. Yeah. if they whatever whatever if you spit on somebody and that goes for family members anybody if you spit on somebody whatever that person does to you after that oh well you're right because Ocho the thing is you get to control your actions you don't get to control the consequences that comes from your actions you're right you're right I'm just I'm I was disappointed because he would have been the last person I would have thought

1:16:28Shannon Sharpe:that would do something like this. Like I said, I've been around him half a time. Not like you, Ocho, I don't know him like you. But he was all, you know, guys normally when they see me, they respect me, hey, what's going on, how you doing, blah, blah, blah. But man, damn. I mean. And then, and I wanted to believe, because like I said, I've been around Ram a little bit. But, and he's not like, I said not. The little bit of time I've been around him and what I seen him, you know, we DM'd a couple of times. he don't strike me honestly you gotta think you gotta think these boys especially when it come to Jalen when it come to Uno I'm around these fellas consistently all the time whether it's working out, whether it's hanging out whether it's eating, I hang out with Jalen when he was down here in Miami and obviously my relationship with Chase since he got drafted now that's something even even more close and none of these individuals are like that but emotions get the best of us sometimes sometimes we make mistakes and I've been in situations where emotions got the best of me and I've done things that are totally out of my character out of my character it's totally uncharacteristic of who I am and what I represent and everything that I stand for and I think this is one of those situations for Chase this is something that happened where obviously logic was low because emotions were high I was upset I'm frustrated.

1:17:48The game's not going well. Then I got them trash talking to me. We going back and forth. And it just, it got the best of them. And I'm really not the one that is in positions to be the voice of reason. But I'm probably one of the few people outside of family members that Uno will listen to. He will listen to and actually listen and take heed to what I'm saying. because I've been in situations where not to this magnitude, we're not thinking, we're not thinking straight, you know, it can cost you. You know, now this is going to cost them. It's not going to cost them, you know, as much as it did for me for being in a situation where my logic was low as hell.

1:18:29I mean, it was super low and it cost me a lot. Now, this is just on a small scale, still in a very disrespectful manner.

1:18:36Shannon Sharpe:But that's why you're the perfect person to speak on this because you've been in a similar situation where emotion was high and logic was low. And sometimes when a situation like that, we let our emotion get the best of us, and that's not who we are. But in that moment, just for a second, you threw caution to the wind. We've all been there. And my thing is, Chase, you didn't have to lie. Everybody's going to look at you a certain way, but you'd say, you know what? All you had to do was say, Ram, I'm sorry. You should have made peace with that man. Hey, y 'all get me Ram's number. I'm going to call him.

1:19:08Shannon Sharpe:I want to call him and tell him as a man. I said, bro, I won't tell the world that I did. I was wrong. I was dead ass. But I wanted to tell you first, man to man, Ram, I'm sorry, bro. That ain't me, bro. You know me. That ain't me. We're both competitors. You're fighting your ass off of your team. I'm fighting my ass off of my team, and my emotions got the best of me. Ram, I'm sorry, bro. Man, I really hope you forgive me because I don't want your family to lose look at me in that light. And I don't want my family to look at me in that light to know that I did something like that. Cause I know my family would be very disappointing in me.

1:19:47Shannon Sharpe:So I'm coming to you as a man, but I won't tell the world. I did what I did. I did. And I want to apologize to you as a man. I'd have, I'd have, I'd have got him in the tunnel. I'd have went to the tunnel. I'd say, bro, Hey, I'm a, I'm a go. I'm a go. Look, I'm a do my press conference, but I'm a fire Ram and say, I'm sorry. I would. And I think he will. and hey that's between him and Ram I don't have to know about it everybody's talking about well he did it nah I'm good just apologize to the man and we're going to keep on moving but just know man Ocho it ain't like when you and I first got in the league they got a couple of cameras bro they catching everything they catch everything and that's why you see guys cover their mouth when they talk to one another Ocho because guess what people try to read lips y 'all try to read exactly what Ocho and I talking about man it seemed like he said remember when Jalen Brown was on the sideline and he and his girl and they was talking about Bronny?

1:20:42Oh, yeah, yeah, on the side. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. They did read his lips. That's right. That's right. I remember that. I remember that. Exactly.

1:20:49Shannon Sharpe:Exactly. Exactly. And like I said. We going to get this situation rectified, though. We going to get it rectified. I know. Look, but let me ask you a question, Ocho. The league got to step in because we... And it happened. I mean, but to see... I mean, what, I think it's the second or the third time that this has happened this year. Yeah, we had Jalen Carter. Week one with the Cowboys. Jalen Carter against Dak. I think there was another situation. I'm not sure. It was college. It was college, Ocho. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but listen, the league is going to step in. They're going to obviously discipline him.

1:21:25It'll probably be a one-game suspension. I didn't call Uno tonight. I didn't call him tonight. He got enough to deal with, as it is, you know, coming off a loss. I allowed 24 hours to go by. So tomorrow, I got to fly to New York tomorrow. So when I fly to New York, I'm going to take that time out. Being that this is off day, I'm sure they're probably going to watch film and I'm going to catch them later on and even... And just talk to them. Just talk to them a little bit about being able to use logic even in situations when you're not in your right state of mind. Because at times it can cost you, and I'm the perfect example of not using your mind in the right state of mind, and it's not going to cost you big this time, but it cost me my whole career.

1:22:07So using that example with him in a small situation, which was extremely disrespectful, would be perfect because I'm a prime example. Yep. Ocho. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I told you. We going off the Bengals game already? what you want to talk about

1:22:33Shannon Sharpe:I don't know what you want to talk about listen brother Darnell Washington the way he hey he pissing me off man you supposed to be playing with the goddamn Knicks or something no actually he's supposed to have a 70 number he's supposed to be an offensive tackle hey a joke of 6-7 because he got a job yes you see how he moves respectful. I'm like, why are you pushing on people like that? Why are you at tight end? Hey, Donair Washington, boy, you was balling out tonight. All Steeler fans, for those of you that are in the chat, you know how I feel about you. I love you. I've always been respectful and shown sportsmanship, and I've shown grace, whether we won or whether we lost.

1:23:19I was always respectful. But Donair Washington, what you did to my teammates, I had to avenge them. So whenever I see you in public in the offseason, just know we're going to squabble. We're going to square up and we're going to fight. Well, boy, you had a hell of a game, boy. You had a hell of a game. Salute to y 'all. Still a fan. Congratulations on your win today. I love y 'all. Y 'all got it. I hope Aaron Rodgers is okay. If he's not okay, I think it's his non-throwing hand. I think something in his wrist is non-throwing hand that might be broke. Aaron Rodgers, do me a small favor. Put you a hard cast on now.

1:23:52Put you a hard cast on now. And let's play ball next week now. let's play ball next week we could play with that whether it's a small break a little break or i don't know why you're talking about our team why you're talking about our team you're not even a stealer well i'm saying that's not i mean they're in the afc north so i i feel compelled to be able to so are the raiders my team hold on listen i i feel compelled to support them because my team is out right now that's all oh your tb dub they told you that don't do that Don't do that. Don't do that. I've been told you that. Don't do that because if we won the game today, if we had won the game today, we would have had a chance.

1:24:33But I told you you weren't going to win.

1:24:35Shannon Sharpe:I told you you're going to lose your next – I told you how many games. Chad, how many times did y 'all hear me telling, Ocho, y 'all about to lose out, and although the window is open, Joe Burrow is back at practice a little ahead of schedule, the 21-day window is open. He ain't coming back. Come back for what? It's all good. It's all good. It's all good. it's all good but I know a team that did win today the team that I told you was going to win yeah the Ravens did win today the Ravens beat the Browns and my other team won wait a minute did it beat the Chiefs beat them beat them with field goal at the end of the game beat them got the ball and went down the field field goal at the end of the game if I'm not mistaken, right?

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Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Philadelphia Eagles beating the Detroit Lions with a dominating defensive performance, the Baltimore Ravens beat the Cleveland Browns, and the Pittsburgh Steelers beat the Cincinnati Bengals and Jalen Ramsey get kicked out during confrontation with Ja’Marr Chase, and much more!

00:00 - Introduction
05:10 - Eagles beat Lions
28:27 - Ravens beat Browns; Shedeur Sanders makes NFL debut
58:29 - Steelers beat Bengals

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