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26:47Shannon Sharpe:No, not when you don't have anything around it. Yeah. Yeah. Man, I was watching, man. I was watching DK on that ball. He bobbled. Ocho, I don't know how he has his hands. I need to see him up close. I need to have a conversation with him. But see, you know, you have. He's not, you know what it is, Ocho? Not a natural catcher. He's not a natural catcher. He's not a natural catcher of the football. You're talking, we're thinking the same thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can tell. You can tell when the receiver is a natural catcher of the football. I mean, he's not one. He's a receiver, yes, but he's not a natural catcher.

27:21Shannon Sharpe:He doesn't pluck the ball. Like some of the guys just pluck it. You see Chase, how he plucks the ball. Look at Puka Nakua, how he just plucks the ball. Some guys, they just pluck the ball and they're like, damn, bro. you just make that look so easy yeah and then other guys fight it it's like they're fighting the ball and then there's a certain there's a certain art to catching the ball it is that's art there's a certain art to it where i know people on the outside looking in listen you're a receiver you're in nfl you've been catching the ball all your life but some make it look easier than others yes there's a certain there's a certain state of relaxation yes not really relaxed right i don't know i don't know how to make it make sense you know put it into words for for for myself i don't speak for myself and other like natural pass catches the ball my body was always relaxed but there was some tension to myself that i had to where i i just i just i wanted to look pretty yeah you know i mean and everything everything was with hands i I hate catching with my body.

28:28I hate it.

28:30Shannon Sharpe:I think the thing is, Ocho, is that natural pass catchers, like you say, they relax. A lot of times the DB are looking at your eyes. When the ball is, he's looking at your eyes. And what happens? Eyes get big. Okay, ball's coming. Yep. That's why you got to have laid hands. You got to have laid hands. You got to relax. Instead of running five, six, seven yards with your hands out like this here. Right, right. Because he going to rake. Oh, yeah. Every time. I want to wait to the very last second. The last minute, yeah. Yeah. And at all possible, I'm trying to – that's why on the goalball, Ocho, the first thing I'm trying to do is I'm trying to stack you.

29:06Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. I'm trying to get you in a trail position. So that way you have to come through me. I don't want to dance with you. I don't want you hip to hip. Yeah. Hip to hip. The quarterback got to throw a damn near a perfect pass. You know who's the best receiver I've ever seen in the history of this game and always be in a relaxed state when they catch the ball, Chad, watch Randy Moss on deep balls. Most of the time when you watch receivers catch deep balls, what's the first thing? They're stumbling all over the place. They're out of control most of the time, even if they do make the catch. Every time Randy Moss caught a ball, his body was always relaxed, and it was with such ease.

29:45Every time, whether it was two people, whether it was one person. And for the life of me, even when I caught deep balls, I was always in a state of as much as I wanted to relax, I couldn't. I was always out of control or I'd be falling with it.

30:01Shannon Sharpe:He's the best I've seen at being able to run and jump. Yes. I can't – look, bro, either I'm jumping, if 10 yards, 15 yards, I can jump and high point it. Right. He can run and jump over his shoulder and catch the ball. I couldn't catch the ball like that. Right, right, right. because I keep jumping like this here the ball go right through the wicket

30:28Shannon Sharpe:I never seen he's the best I've ever seen at it being able to run and be 30 40 yards down the field and jump and catch the ball I'm like well damn if I couldn't high point it yeah he probably gonna break that one up because yeah it is what it is I'm just letting you know so uh but the Texas, man. This is going to be a dogfight on Sunday. Turnovers, you play an outro. In this game right here, you're paying triple. We normally say you play double, you're paying triple because both of these defenses are outstanding. Whichever defense can create short fields for their offense, that's the team that's going to win.

31:12Shannon Sharpe:If CJ Stroud plays Sunday like he played tonight and also Also, what's being known? What's the note? Nico Collins, he left with a concussion. He took two blows. I tweeted, he probably done for the night. That's the second blow to the head. Because he got up after the first one and was woozy. But the magnitude of the game, I'm good. Hey, I got up two fingers, son. How many fingers I got up? Two? Okay. Okay, you good. You good. That second one, I said, he done. Is he going to be in concussion protocol? call is he going to be able to be cleared because boy you're asking us that's a steep mountain to climb without your best offensive weapon yeah well well even without him Christian Kirk was cutting up he was cutting up Higgins still was okay they still have some other threats and some other weapons over their offensively boy that secondary New England boy oh they nice yeah man Gonzales Jones I like a little slot number 25.

32:19Yeah, I would just get ready to say, did you see Gonzalez's stat line for last game? Yeah, a bunch of zeros. Man. A bunch of zeros. Hey, and that would be a great matchup if Nico Collin can go against Christian Gonzalez. That'd be a great matchup. So, listen, it's going to come down to not only that game is going to be won in the trenches, but the game is also going to be decided by quarterback play. and CJ Scott is going to have to match Drake May, who has been phenomenal all season long and in the playoffs, he's going to have to match him. The defense is going to show up.

32:58Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, he definitely – he can't play like he played tonight. That's not – Ocho, let's go. Let's transition right quick. After a disappointing loss and a poor performance, A.J. Brown left his game-worn jersey for teammate Quinion Mitchell, a jester many believe could signal his final parting gift. A.J. wrote, All Pro, Hugh Love, Bro, proud of you. Many people believe the jester seemed odd for Brown to give Mitchell his game-worn jersey after not having a great performance unless Brown wasn't planning on coming back next season. Ocho, we know guys exchange jerseys all the time. are we making too much of this or are you reading the tea leaves like a lot of other people are reading the tea leaves well well honestly um when you leave when you leave a jersey like that and you leave the last game without talking to the media it lets me know he's probably not going to do the exit meeting he's probably not going to do the exit meeting because all the players you see each other the following day anyway because everyone come back to be able to pack your bags and the fact that he left the jersey with the note on there probably lets me know you know what i'm skipping the exit meeting I'm not going to be here anyway I'm not going to be here anyway and I think he's already had his mind made up or he might be upset uh there are probably conversations that are going to be had between AJ Brown and and Lurie and Mr.

34:23Roseman and and what they're going to decide to do with him uh next year but listen I heard some comments from Jalen Hurts that you know he talked with AJ Brown after the game that that we're good so if there's anything you want to know you might have to ask him but i don't think reporters will have the opportunity to ask him because he's

34:41Shannon Sharpe:already made his mind up yeah i don't normally adjust you like this yes you fold the jersey up you leave it you don't leave it for all to see hey bro i left that for you yeah you don't show we done it now i mean i ain't when that that's that's how it's normally done yes already discussed it hey hey what would you hey oh that's that's tough man especially i i hate that if that is aj brown's last game i hate that this is what we're left of it from him as a philadelphia eagle as one of the better receivers in the league and and you know having somewhat you know by his standards having a down year like this and collective.

35:25Shannon Sharpe:But anybody, any number one, those are barely number two stats. Yeah. He's a number one, Ocho. When we talk about him, now I'm not, he's a number one. Yes. He's what Chase is. He's what Pickens or CD is. He's what Jetta is. Yes. Whatever, Nico Collins, he's that guy. He's their guy. And for him to have the kind of season that he had and it culminated when they absolutely needed him the most, he didn't show up. When they absolutely needed him the most, Ocho, and that's what happens. When you complain, we're not getting you the ball. We're not giving you the ball. There were several times we gave you every opportunity.

36:14Shannon Sharpe:Even as bad as you played up until that point, Ocho on third down, you dropped that one. If you want to say the wind was playing tricks on man i misjudged it okay i i'll concede all that although i don't believe you misjudged it i'll give you that just for the benefit of the doubt ocho likes to give benefit of the doubt or like he said he liked to play let me let him play devil's advocate ocho but when i threw you that end cut okay now what yeah that ball hit you in the hands yeah right through your hands right through he had another he had another dig he dropped that one he had he had the goal ball on the right side.

36:53Shannon Sharpe:He dropped that one. I don't know. Maybe he didn't see it. Maybe he saw it late. Maybe he saw the safety. But all I know is in a playoff game, you got to have that. I'm laying out for that. You got to have it. I'm just saying it is what it is. Like I said, maybe he misjudged it. Maybe the wind caught it. He thought it was going to land in his hands and the wind caught it and blew it down. Or maybe it took it farther. But you got to lay out for that. is the playoffs. I'll heal up after the season. But I'm just confused. And the thing was, Ocho, after every game early, he would sit there and he would answer every reporter's questions about the offense.

37:40Shannon Sharpe:And when he laid an egg Sunday, which he did, he had nothing to say. Yeah, he didn't want to talk. Ocho, he had been talking all year. He had been contaminated in the locker room. Everybody having, how many times did they ask Sirianni? Ocho, you never had Mike Brown have to ask you to tone it down. Mike, Mr. Bowler, rest his soul. Art Modell, rest his soul. Never had to ask me to tone it down. Right. You had all of this to say when you weren't getting the ball. Now I want you to be man enough to stand. You had some opportunities, AJ. What happened? That ain't how you do business. Yes, sir. That ain't how you do business, Ocho.

38:26Shannon Sharpe:We've all had games. We like to have back. But you can't ask for something, and then when you get it, that's a horrible look. Yeah. That is a horrible, horrible look. Eagles fans, I think they're probably fed up with it. I know some of his teammates fed up with it. Because you know what, Ocho? You know what I'm fed up with? if I have to answer questions. You ain't asking me about the game. You got me asking questions about A.J. Brown. Yeah, yeah. I think some players probably would be fed up with it. Some, you know, that are friends of his, you know, outside of the game of football, probably not.

39:06They maybe have a better understanding on what he's going through, depending on who it is. But you have some, like linemen, like linebackers, like those that are on the defensive side of the ball, that might be sick of it, you know. um it's he's not even even just i'm just saying for better context and perspective he's not the first one to walk out and not wanting to talk to the media i think if i'm not mistaken i think cam cam um whether the super bowl after the super bowl loss yes cam skip cam skipped out on the soup uh on the on the can't do that yeah you you can't do that so the frustration is built up and and most of the time they tell you before you talk to the media after a bad game cool down take some time before you answer questions but actually just leaving and not talking to him at

39:51Shannon Sharpe:all you can't you can't do that let me ask you a question though cho did it before he talked to the media when he wasn't catching balls did he calm down before he had a conversation with the media so just like you stood up there and you talked to them about how you would like to have the ball like you would be a part of the offense yes because they want to say well they involve you today aj what happened yeah oh yeah hey listen hey they were a um that that philadelphia media after a game like that and you got the big tip? Man, it's too. I think I'm thinking the Philadelphia media and the New York media?

40:28Yes. Boy? Yes.

40:33Shannon Sharpe:I agree. Boy having to deal with them? I agree. Ocho, you get no disagreement from me. Absolutely. Because they love blue collar. They love especially Philly. Let's just take Philly. We'll talk about New York media at a later name time. Philly, like lunch pail, blue collar, hardworking guys. Guys that punch clots. Sanitation workers, construction workers, you know, I'm saying late. That's what they love. That's what Philly is. Hard hats and lunch pails. They love those type of guys. Right. And my only thing is, and But I think, you know, look, I didn't know that I was going to be in the media like I was.

41:22Shannon Sharpe:But as I got in mind and people started saying, man, you really should do media. You really should do media. And I was like, okay. So in my off time, I would go do CBS of anybody. I would go, you know, I wasn't in the playoffs. I would go talk. Or when someone wanted to talk, I would talk, Ocho. Right, right. But it's, I've just always been wired like this. when things go good I gotta stay if I were they breaking down we got everything we did you want to ask me any more questions I had a good game today we played well today but when things went bad Shannon Sharp had one catch Shannon Sharp had two catches Shannon didn't have the type of numbers that he used to see Shannon didn't impact the game we lost now I gotta be man enough to stand there and tell you, I didn't play well.

42:14Shannon Sharpe:Let's start with that first. Shannon didn't play well. We didn't play well as a team. But I feel if I play better, I'm the party starter. I'm the one to get it kick-started. I'm the one that they look to get everybody going. That was my job. I'm the drum major. They take their keys from me, and I let them down. And that's on me. I wasn't ready to play and in turn they fed off my energy and we seemed as an offensive unit we weren't ready to play you got to stand there and sometimes Ocho you got to stand there and face the music and it's not always easy anybody can talk when you win it again Ocho when you got a buck 50 and two tubs Ocho up there oh he up there hammock

43:13Shannon Sharpe:But when you lose, you got to stand up there. And I'm not saying you key, key, key with it. But hey, you got to have a tone. Yes, I'm disappointed because I let the team down. Yeah. And you know what? And the funny thing about it, you talking to the choir. How many winning scenes I had in Cincinnati in 11 years? Yes. So I had to have those tough conversations. I had that media savviness to be able to navigate, you know, in front of those reporters, whether they had a good game or whether they had a bad game. And you got to understand, for me, it was even worse because I created a circus in a fun way.

43:49So it was even worse for me and much more difficult to stand there and have those conversations when we were losing.

43:57Shannon Sharpe:But I think the fans in Cincinnati know the decade that you was there, although you didn't have the winning that you would want. Yeah. They don't feel you ever quit on the team. Oh, never that. I can't, Unk. I got to play for them stripes. Unk, my name is on the back of the jersey when we on TV. There you go. I ain't had a choice. I got to come to the party. I got to be the life of the party. I understood that. I would do everything I can to do what we can, to do what I can, to make sure we win and make everyone else's job around me easy, easier. My quarterback, Carson, before every game. Boy, your job going to be easy today.

44:35Coach Lewis, man, go ahead and relax, man. Get you a cigarette. Smoke on the sideline. I got you. That was my mentality.

44:45Shannon Sharpe:They used to smoke on the sideline. They don't let them do it anymore. That's why I said it. I said, Coach, you can be letting off the table. They used to let them wear suits on the sideline. You can wear fedoras. You can wear all kinds. Now you got to wear NFL-issued equipment. Because, you know, they tried to sell product. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Because, you know, coaches used to have, you know, advertising with shirts and suits and manufacturers. So, oh, that's a such-and-such suit worn by such-and-such Dan Reeves. I mean, Coach Reeves would have, you know, a suit deal. Yeah. Oh, remember the classic, the iconic picture with Lynn Dawson for the Kansas City Chiefs sitting in.

45:20Were you smoking on the sideline? No, sitting in the locker room at halftime. Yeah. Lynn Dawson smoking a cigarette. Oh, that's an iconic picture.

45:28Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, the guys used to smoke at halftime, Mocho. You'd go like you would go and guys would be outside the locker room smoking. Oh, that's... When I got in the early 90s. Now, they went away from that. In the 90s? Yeah. I thought that was more so the 80s. It was. 60s, 70s, 80s. Right. But when I got to the league in 90s, I'll never forget playing in the old Coliseum, the Raiders. Uh-huh. Man, I'm walking to the thing. Greg Townsend sitting on his helmet. For real? What up, y 'all? yes that's crazy yes but a lot of guys there are a lot of guys that smoked I had teammates oh we got a lunch break they going straight to the car

46:17yeah you know when I think about it too long when I think about it I think about back then the 80s I mean 70s 80s early 90s you think about today in today's game not cigarettes but they smoking something else They're smoking weed, yes, for sure. No, they're smoking something else. So it's kind of the same thing. It just wasn't going on at halftime.

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49:47Shannon Sharpe:AJ's cap hit is 23.4 million. Yeah. A trade dead cap hit is 43.5 million. A pre-June 1st trade means Eagles would take it on the fourth largest single season dead cap hit in history, a$20 million cap hit. The question is, are the Eagles that fed up with AJ Brown? I personally believe they are. You think so? I do. I personally believe they are. yeah i think they might they might be at a crossroads where they don't want to deal with the problem anymore don't want to he don't want to be there yeah he doesn't want to be there and also what you can do is you're not going to be able to replace the aj brown now you can get pieces to help you offensively yeah maybe make up some of the production or lack thereof production but we know we can do we know what he can do when he's on the offense that is flowing the right way think about the way they look when they established the running game and were able to throw their way into games every week because the running game was doing so well that super bowl that super bowl run yes they didn't have that this year there was no offensive creativity everything was was very very vague you know and the fact that i could sit here and watch a goddamn philadelphia eagles game and tell you what routes are going to be the route combination I'm like, and if I can do it, and I'm sitting at home, what do you think the people that watch film all goddamn week are doing?

51:16I agree.

51:18Shannon Sharpe:I think, Ocho, for me, and Chad, let me know what you think. I think the easiest marriage to get out of is that when both people want a divorce. The hard one is that when one wants to stay and the other wants out. But when both parties realize that it's best for us to terminate this marriage, those should be easy. But hold on. Also, you know what happens? You know what sets in after? When both won apart and you motherfucking think the grass is green on the other side. Because the grass is really green, as bad as you may think it is over here in Philly. But one thing you know about Philly and that organization is they're built structurally to always have a chance at a goddamn Lombardi every effing year.

52:03Every year.

52:05Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Joe, you know the... All right, we got a very special guest joining us tonight, Ocho. What's up, nephew? He tackles two passes, defendants, and he's a part of the Cardiac Bears. Here he is. Hey, corner CB1, JJ, Jalen Johnson. Jay, how you doing, bro? What's up, man? Good to see y 'all again. Good to see you. Hey, when you come on night, Cap, you normally have to get the comeback later this season because you had a pro bowl, all pro season, or you teamed in the playoff. That's just the way it pans out. No, about 100%. So that game is not going the way you want it. They're going up and down the field.

52:44Shannon Sharpe:Jordan Love, three touchdowns in the first half, 21-3. I mean, so what's going – so walk us through the locker room at halftime. What did Ben Johnson say? What were some of the leaders saying? And then the start of that fourth quarter, what was the sideline like? Honestly, it was honestly a crazy tournament. We, of course, come out, we turned up, we ready to go, and then we go down 21-3, and it's like, man, everybody shut the hell up. Ain't no more talking. Nah, ain't no more hoorah, hoorah. Yeah, nah, ain't no more hoorah. And I just remember Kevin Byard the whole time, he was like, man, talking ain't going to help us execute.

53:18Like, we need to stop talking and doing all this and settle in. And then really just at halftime, that was the biggest thing. Like, it can't get no worse than this. Like, I mean, at the end of the day, it's 21-3, almost 21-blow. But I think, too, like, Coach showed us a video, like, like a whole breakdown during the camp of the Falcons and Patriots game when they went up 28-3 and all that and just shows, like, the composure. Yeah, he showed that to us early. So just, like, talking to Joe Tooney, because he was on the winning side of it, and then Jerry was on the losing side of it. So having both of them be their perspectives on it, and then it really just – he brought it back up, like, this is that moment.

53:53Like, think back to the conversation that we had and what it took for them to get back in 200, one possession at a time, defense gets stopped, offense starts putting points on the board. And that was really it. So when we came out on defense, it was like, man, we got to get stopped. We figured if they didn't score no more, then we'll win the game. So that's all we were focused on really on defense, just executing and playing more aggressive. Hey, what is what has it been like that entire culture has shifted because of one man? Obviously, having having having a quarterback like Caleb Williams and you get someone, a coach, a player friendly coach, as I like to call it, in Ben Johnson and coming to there.

54:28Is he the sole reason for the reason you guys are having, the kind of success you guys are having? I mean, it's hard to say the sole reason. I think, for one, just the timing. I would say everything. The only person to get credit for that is God, of course. But I think really just the timing of when Ben got here, when Caleb got here, when a lot of these pieces all got here. I think it would be different if he got here three, four years ago. The team looked different. Situation is different. But I'll definitely say his leadership, his competitiveness has definitely changed the trajectory of how we looked at approaching games.

55:03And again, too, I mean, you can be a good leader all you want, but you dialing it up on offense as well. And he's always been doing that. I think just the way he controls the game, even going into that game, he's like, if we win it, we want to receive. We want to control the tempo, control the ball. And it's like, no, man, I ain't never heard nobody say this. It's like, oh, we want the defense to go out there and set the tone. It's like, nah, let us get the ball. Let us control the tempo. Let us take some of the time off and things like that. So he's definitely ahead of it. He's an offensive-minded coach.

55:30He wants to attack.

55:32Shannon Sharpe:He's an offensive-minded coach. He wants to attack. He's like, oh, they think they got a defense. No, we want the ball. Yeah, no doubt. We want the ball. We're going to show them. We're going to take this ball and go right down to the field. There was a throw. And I know you saw it on the sideline. That one that Caleb – that's your season. If you don't make that, that's fourth and 11. If you don't get that, J.J., your season's over. He fought. He's rolling to his left. He backs and stumbles and throws a dime for 15. When you saw that. He's more accurate going that way. That's the crazy part. Like, as backwards as it sounds, it's like you don't even want to flush him to his left because he can still get it off accurate.

56:11But when he threw it, it was just like, man, what the? Ooh, okay. It was just like one of those was like, you think, man, it's over. He out here doing some crazy stuff, and it works. So I think – I can't even say it works. That's just part of his game. Like, at this point, it's not even something that you can just say is – that just happens or imagine Houdini. It's like, nah, he's legit at that. And he does it in practice. He's clearly been doing this forever. So it's just really who he is. And it's funny because I think it was yesterday came in. I've seen him. It might have been a day I've seen him.

56:41I'm going to say, hey, man, sometimes I've got to look a man in the eye and just say, good job. You're doing a heck of a job because some of the stuff he does is crazy. That's not something you'll see every day.

56:50Shannon Sharpe:I mean, I'm looking at you guys. You guys were down with less than two minutes to go to the Raiders 24-19. You win that game. You're down to the Bengals with 19 seconds. You win that game. You're down against the Vikings with four seconds. You win that game. Second and goal, 27-16, Green Bay, 4-18 on the clock, and you win that game. How have you guys been able to maintain your composure when all seems lost, like, damn, how we find ourselves in that situation. And somehow you guys make a play on defense, you get a stop, and then when you turn the ball back over to Caleb in that offense, they cash it in.

57:33I think execution brings confidence. And I think at the end of the day for us, we've been able to execute it down the stretch over and over. And with that, you naturally have confidence where it's like, all we got to do is get an opportunity to close the game out or put it in our hands to close the game out. I think that's really the mentality and the mindset. As long as there's time on the clock, we got a way to win. So, I mean, it's just one of those things where it's switch force. I mean, for a long time, it's been the exact opposite where we find ways to lose the damn game. So I think for us in this building and this culture and what we have now, we find ways to win.

58:06Shannon Sharpe:There's a viral video going on where you're kneeling down, tricking on Christian Wiley on the final play of the game. Walk us through that moment. What were you saying to him, and what made you do that? Yeah, I mean, of course, everybody's seen the prayer video when I prayed for him when he injured his knee. But really, I think for me, it was just really going back in and I don't even want to say checking on him, but just telling him, like, way to push through, way to battle back and come back from what he injured and all that. And, of course, just competitive. I mean, he's still fast and still runs, still blazing.

58:37I think it's just a blessing to just see him out there. So, I mean, of course, after the second game and we don't, or the second and third game, we don't have to see each other no more. definitely wanted to take that time and tell him like, nah, like I'm proud of you and how you bounce back. And I feel like that was something I, I don't want to say owed him, but felt like it's something I had in my heart to do.

58:55Shannon Sharpe:A lot has been made about Ben in the locker room saying F the Packers after the win. Yeah. I mean, and then you see him, I mean, he almost like, I mean, he ran up there, you know, normally the coaches, they run up there, they shake each other's hand. They lean in, good luck. Hey, wish you the best. Man, Ben ran that thing like this here. like, hey, like he stole the man's TV earlier that day and didn't want the man to slick him in the line. Yeah. I mean, honestly, it's one of those things where it's like it's good to see that competitor. I feel like people pick and choose when they want people to be competitive and they want the coach to be aggressive and competitive and then when he shows it, it's all he's this, he's that.

59:33It's like either you want the competitiveness or you don't. I mean, at the end of the day, too, it's a rivalry. Coaches have hidden rivalries. I mean, they've been competing for a long time against each other. I mean, at the end of the day, it is what it is. He's embracing that Chicago nature, too, at the end of the day. Yeah. Hey, you guys obviously have the Rams coming up and obviously not wanting to give a game plan away. But I think what do you guys think defensively to be able not to stop but to contain Devontae Adams, Poole Nakua, and Matt Stafford and those boys offensively? I think guys like me got to strap up.

1:00:07I think it's kind of just as simple as that. because, I mean, it's not so much too high you can play. They're going to run the ball. So, I mean, it's not like you can just hide and try to just do all these things. I mean, at the end of the day, guys who get paid to cover are going to go out there and cover. And, shoot, the rush got to hit home as well. So, I mean, hopefully there's some – we're going to have some. I mean, it's Monday, so, I mean, we got some time to figure out how we're going to execute it. But I know, especially for me, this is a pride game. I go into this game more than excited, more than willing and able to go handle whatever needs to get handled.

1:00:38I mean, for myself, I'm just preparing myself for that. But I know everybody on the back end, we all got to step up and really take pride in this game because, I mean, it's going to go through. It's going to go through Puka. It's going to go through Devontae. And the big boys up front got to handle the running back and the quarterback. So that's really how I'm looking at it.

1:00:55Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, because you look at it like, well, it ain't no like, well, I follow this guy. You follow that guy because both of the guys. Hey, you got a line up to go against whoever comes in. And the other guy led to meet the touchdown. So, hey, either one of these guys you know can go off on a given. and Puka is so physical. People don't realize how big Puka is. People think because he lines up in the slot, Jay, is that he a small guy? No, Puka big as hell. He got them Polynesian bones. Yeah.

1:01:23Shannon Sharpe:Puka be out there with no tape. Puka be out there just butt rolling. It is funny because for me, I went to school with his brother, Samson. I know the family, been around him, talked to him at the Pro Bowl. It's like if you knew his family, you know how like nice he is and like it's almost like he has plenty of like athletic family members they all play basketball super crazy athletic and it's like for him to be the youngest doing what he's doing it's really no surprise to me because i mean we're trying to get him at utah yeah look you dealt with a core muscle injury um i think they call it a sports hernia is that what you and because that's not what i had that's not what you have so what did you have No, I had tore, so initially I tore my like adductor.

1:02:08So it's like with all those things kind of connected from the adductor going into the pelvic and then the core going into the pelvic. Once you kind of tear one, you kind of more likely going to tear the other one. So in Detroit, I end up tearing pretty much the core part of that connection. And then naturally I had some damage leaking to my other side. So I really got both sides repaired, growing and core. Wow. So you good now though, huh? yeah i mean as far as like my surgery injury go but it's like the rehab is is almost never ended almost for about a year because i mean all the scar tissue builds up and being in the position that i'm in sliding moving lateral yeah you got it you got it so it's it's been it's been tough on me honestly because it's like when you know you can't move how you normally move you start overcompensating now your mind is messed up and now you're like man do I got it like what am I so now it's like for me that's really what I was fighting like the first three four weeks I mean being in pain taking them numbing shots and like for the games to be able to go I mean it's really been a lot I've been probably just hey it's not it's been some stuff and people oh man Jalen's not healthy you damn right I'm not all the way healthy but I think really just for me just continuing to just continue to attack the rehab I just got off the massage table a few hours ago so just trying to just continue to give myself the best chance to win but I'm looking forward to a full off season and get really healthy.

1:03:28But you know, Jay, that when people – Hold on. Go ahead, Ocho. Hey, listen, if you talk about getting healthy in the off season, you might – I know where to go for a look. Where? To you. I'm calling you up. Hey, there you go. There you go. I got you. I got you. Listen, on the field, off the field, but I'm also – I have a meal plan that you can hire me next year as your nutritionist. I had you right. I'm already on it. I just had me and McGriddle, uh, McMuffin the other day. See, that's what. See, I'm trying to tell you. I'll bring it to the facility. Ask the guys about me. I bring McDonald's Chick-fil-A breakfast every Saturday.

1:04:03You see, you see why he's so great at what he do? Huh? I've been taking notes. For sure, for sure. You got to get what they want. It ain't nothing but a little soulful.

1:04:11Shannon Sharpe:See, if he's eating the chicken bread and he was eating the, you know, grill stuff, he wouldn't have had that. Oh, snap. Nah, but, but that's, but that's the, that's the part that people don't see. is that what an athlete does just to be able to go out there. Yeah. And then when you don't put up the numbers, when you don't put up the numbers or you're not playing like you're supposed to play, the first thing they holler, oh, he washed. Bro, that man had surgery. He just came back. He's having to take injections just to get his ass out there. But you know what? All they see is one with Johnson on the back of that jersey.

1:04:47Shannon Sharpe:That's it. They don't care how you got there. That's it. You could have drove a bulldozer. to get to the game. You there now. Yeah, nah. And it's funny because it's like, that's why I'm glad I'm not on social media because like I don't see it. I just kind of hear it from my people that are on it. But it's just like for me, it's like, I know what I'm going through. And it's like, realistically, I shouldn't even have came back when I came back. Like I took every measure to try to push my body, push myself. And it's like, oh, y 'all see it. Oh, yeah, Jalen's not healthy. It's like, yeah, but Jalen's also still giving the team the best chance to win, like regardless of me being healthy or not.

1:05:21But, I mean, for me, I ain't worried about it. At the end of the day, I know what I can do, and I know I'm getting better, and you can see it on the tape. So, I mean, at the end of the day, that's all I can ask for.

1:05:31Shannon Sharpe:Well, we're glad you're back, man. Hopefully you get healthy, but hopefully the offseason, you get to push that back a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I ain't going home. You got some big French to fry right now. Yeah, I ain't going home right now. So, man, congratulations on an unbelievable season. Glad you got an opportunity to come back. Stay healthy. Go out there. Hey, you're one step closer. One step closer. Man, congratulations. When y 'all take care to get that win on Sunday, come holler at us. I'll be back. Trust me. I appreciate it. Jalen Johnson, cornerback, Chicago Bears. They play Sunday.

1:06:10Shannon Sharpe:Take on the Los Angeles Rams. See, Ocho? It's hard to have surgery during the season and then come back. Ocho, you rehabbing. Yeah, I know. You're not training. Yeah, I understand, huh? You know, well, I can't say I know. I've had teammates that have had to do it. And, you know, you want to get back as fast as possible, huh? Because one thing you don't want to happen is whoever is your backup, you don't want him to get in there and start balling out. Yeah, start balling out. You don't want that. What you don't want is, oh, we winning games without him. Uh-oh. He do got a big number. why you, Ocho, now that you mentioned it, Ocho, he do got a big number and old boy ain't like we had substantial drop off.

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