Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho & LaDainian Tomlinson react to TCU BLOWING OUT Belichick's UNC & Saquon NO. 1 in NFL's Top 100!

25:33Shannon Sharpe:So, so offensive line. Look at all guys that we mentioned say quon barclay look at his quarterback look at his offensive line derrick henry look at his quarterback look at his offensive line joe mixon look at his quarterback look at his offensive line gibbs look at his quarterback look at his offensive line josh jacobs look at his quarterback you see a real current theme here yeah but see yeah but but when a quarterback doesn't succeed boy they make any excuse in the world now all of a sudden the running back knows to see oh man He over the hill. There ain't no value in him. No, you're right. Ain't nobody running behind that ain't got no line.

26:09Shannon Sharpe:And if I set my defense and your quarterback can't beat me, I am not going to let your running back beat me. You saw what the Chiefs tried to do in the Super Bowl, guys. They said, we are not letting Saquon beat us. Josh, Jalen Hurts said, okay, you know what? I don't drink no beer, but hold this ginger ale. I got something for y 'all. I got something for y 'all. Go ahead, Ocho. Are you surprised to see Saquon at the top? You got two backs in the top 10. Top 10. Yeah, most definitely. I wasn't surprised at all. Obviously, Saquon is a tier one back, and those tier one backs are the reason why the value of the running back position is now prevalent because of players like Saquon.

26:47Obviously, being in the perfect situation, Eagles, offensive line, and he's one of the reasons why they were able to reach the Super Bowl, actually take them over the hump and getting back to the Super Bowl. Obviously, we have to give credit to their defense as well. But Josh Allen had a great season. Lamar Jackson had a great season, but I think the number one spot was given to Saquon, not with just his play on the field, but what he does also off the field. And the fact that he was able to win a ring with the cherry on top. So it was a no-brainer as far as your peers picking him as number one.

27:17Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. So Saquon Barkley voted by his peers as the number one player in the NFL in the top 100. Lamar Jackson was second. Lamar Jackson was second last year. Josh Allen is number three. I think he was outside of the top 10. Jamar Chase was way down. He's number four. Patrick Mahomes was number four last year. He's number five. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What do you mean way down? I think it was 35 last year, Ocho. Chase was. Yeah, he was, yeah. Oh, I thought you said way down. No, no, no. I was saying compared to where he was last year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Lamar was two last year. I think Josh Allen was 12.

27:52Shannon Sharpe:I think Jamar Chase was like 35. Patrick Mahomes was four. Joe Burrow was a little outside of the top 20, I think. Derek Henry, Miles Garrett. Myles Garrett was number five. Justin Jefferson had coming off that sensational year. He got it. I think he got Nick. But Justin Jefferson has been a top player. He's been Mr. Consistent. And, you know, defensive player of the year, Patrick Sertain. But I think mainly with Saquon and Derrick Henry, what they were able to do. One guy went for 2 ,000. The other guy went for 1921. First time a guy that's rushed for 1 ,900 yards didn't win the rushing title.

28:27Shannon Sharpe:So that just goes to show you how well the other guy played. because normally LT, you get 1 ,900 yards, you're like, yeah, I got that rush. I got that thing in the back. Yeah. What? Absolutely. And let's keep this in mind, guys. The easiest way to win games is still running the football. I mean, because you take away the chances of turning it over and crazy things happening. When you can run the football and impose your will, you know, cut down on the game, you help your defense and all that kind of stuff. So I think at the end of the day, that's why we're starting to see just a little shift. I'm not saying we're going completely back to when you – No, not early.

29:04No, no, no, no. Not early 2000, no. We ain't going to never get back there. No, we ain't going to never get back there. But I think there is more teams that are starting to focus on the run game a little bit more to control games, especially when you have a young quarterback or a quarterback who can manage things at the line of scrimmage, like all the ones you mentioned, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and all those guys that have good running backs as well.

29:30Shannon Sharpe:Well, it's not going back because you see where these quarterback salaries are going. You're about to have a quarterback making$70 million. You're not paying the guy$70 million to turn around and hand it to a guy that's making$10 million. That ain't happening. We paying you$70 million to throw it to a guy that's making$40 million. So that's why you're never going to see. And plus, why would you? Because guess what? I can get a rough in the passer. I can get illegal contact. I can get unnecessary roughness. I got so many things that can go right if I just throw the football. You see – But you're still putting that$70 million quarterback in jeopardy if you got a defense that's in there.

30:08Yeah.

30:08Shannon Sharpe:But for$70 million, I'm in jeopardy. You see what Josh Allen just got this offseason LT? $330 million with a quarter of a billy. Guaranteed. But, you know, you got to think about too, you got to remember this NFL, too, LT. This is the passing league. And running backs that can take that time off the clock, that can get the defense to wrestle on the sideline, it's only a handful of them. It's only a handful of them voters, like, they can really carry that whole offense on their back where you don't even have to throw the ball when it comes to crunch time and you want to buy some time and take some time off the clock.

30:44It's only a few now.

30:45Shannon Sharpe:Oh, yeah. There's only a handful of guys. I remember when Peyton Manning came to the Broncos. I mean, he got like$96 million for five years. I mean, just think about that. Wow. And what? For the longest time,$25 million was pretty good money, but was great money for a quarterback. And then it went to$30. And then they're like, no,$30 ain't nothing. Now you're at$60 million. Yeah. $60 million. And guess what? LT, we know this, Ocho. They're going to add another game. Oh, yeah. It's going to be 18 games. I give it five years. They're going to add another playoff game too. That's coming. Because YouTube, YouTube won't end on this action.

31:29Shannon Sharpe:They want to become a network. And the only way to become a network, you got to have live sporting events, mainly the NFL. Guess who else want to get in on that? Netflix. Amazon. Amazon. Amazon said, you know, look, we love that Thursday night package. We really do, guys. We don't want you to think we're greedy, but we are. We like Black Friday football, that Friday game after Thanksgiving. But, I mean, we could really use a package. And you're talking about somebody that's sitting on hordes of cash, somebody that's sitting on 30, 40, 50, 100 billion in cash. And the one thing, hey, money talk, cash screams.

32:13Shannon Sharpe:So we're going to see what's happening, but it's coming. It's coming. What was it? He said, Coach, what did you call him, said by 2025, he close. They wanted to be a$20 billion industry. They're close. 2030, absolutely. They're going to be$25,$30 billion a year. Easy. So let's sit with that one for a minute because I got a question. Okay, so that means that the season is going to have to be prolonged a little bit because the players are going to want another two-by-weeks. We used to have two-by-weeks, LT, before. you got in the league back in the mid-90s. You had two bye weeks. Yeah, we had two, yeah, in the 90s.

32:54Wow.

32:56Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, you had two bye weeks. You got to have it. But Ocho, LT, man, they're going to be playing the Super Bowl on God dang on St. Patrick's Day. Right, right. That's what I'm thinking. Because you started out the Labor Day, and you got two bye weeks. Think about it. You already at the second week. You already at the second week in what's coming. So now if you add another playoff game, you're going to be damned near St. Paddy's Day. You damn sure have the President's Day in February. You're going to be the third week, fourth week. Well, there's only four weeks in February anyway. But you might be playing on leap year.

33:35Shannon Sharpe:But that's what the money is. Because what else can you do? The only thing you can do is give them another game. There ain't nothing else you can do in the game, within the game. you can only give them an additional game to create additional revenue revenue yeah and these owners the one thing we know about them they can know you can never that's one thing you've never heard somebody say people have said i got too many pairs of shoes i got too many too many too much jewelry i got too many cars i got too many homes name the person that's ever said man i got too much money yeah you're right but listen also even you gotta you gotta remember too if they are adding the game, even no matter how long it is, if the season goes in the second, third week of February, the players understand they're getting a bigger piece of the pie, too.

34:22They're getting a bigger piece of the pie.

34:23Shannon Sharpe:Now, we don't know what it's going to look like yet. All I want that pie, Ocho, I don't want any, don't franchise me, no franchise tax, I want lifetime, if I get 10 years in the league, LT, Ocho, I want lifetime health benefits. That should be a bare minimum, Ocho. LT, that should be a bare minimum. Because let's just say for the sake of argument, you get health insurance for five years after you retire. The average career is about two and a half to three years. Okay, you retired 25. Bruh, you ain't going to have no illness, nothing really major. Some at 30, you need that issue at 65. Down the road.

35:05Shannon Sharpe:Yes. Down the road. I mean, you can prolong it. You can take the five years anytime you want to, but at 30, from 25 to 30? Nah, nah, nah, nah. If I get 10 years, I want lifetime health benefits. And guess what? I don't want you to be able to franchise me. Yeah. No. Well, they got to pick one or the other, huh? You know how this works. I want both of them. Ocho, you know how this works. You got to come to the table, and the owners are going to tell you you're going to get one thing. Which one do you want? do you want lifetime benefits well then that's what we're going to work out a deal to make it happen and then the players going to have to deal with them I tell you what you get one you want an extra regular season game or an extra playoff game you get one hey hey listen the players got one person on ALT that'll fight for them one person you put me in position of power to represent the players I'm going to get his lifetime benefits no franchise tag and what's the other one?

36:09Guaranteed contracts. That's my three. Hey listen I don't know about them. I'm telling you LT I'm telling you once I put that suit on once I put that suit and that tie on and you put me in the right room and I flip that switch boy it's a wrap.

36:25Shannon Sharpe:But the players have got to get something. But they bargained for petty privileges way back when LT because see you bargaining talking about well I don't want to do two a days well i don't want to put the pads on but so many times during the course of the year bro you play the game of football you play tackle football but you don't want to tackle yeah yeah so you bargain for credit privileges go look at what what roger goodell bargained for look at what they bargained for different now roger goodell ain't taking no hits he got lifetime medical he get used in the jet right you see what he bought you see the difference between bargaining, what I'm bargaining for, and what you're bargaining for?

37:04Shannon Sharpe:He wants benefits. They think a long-term, too. Even though he's making$30,$40 million a year, he wants someone else to pay for those lifetime benefits. But, Uncle, why do you think, I mean, think about it. Why, as players, the current players, why aren't they thinking about lifetime benefits? Why isn't that an area of focus? I'm not going to get a debilitating illness. I'm not going to get anything that's going to disrupt what I've already got. I remember, and I'm not going to call anybody's name, because I was in the league when free agency actually happened, LT. And there were a lot of guys, man, you give me a million dollars, damn them benefits, I buy my own health insurance.

37:43Shannon Sharpe:Now, I ain't telling you what somebody told you, I'm telling you what I know. Because I was in the league when the Reggie White and the Seth Jordan, when they filed that petition, and it came and we got free agency. And that's what a lot of guys say. You give me a million dollars, you give me two million dollars, I buy my own health care. That's right. And that's my point, that's my point, because most players feel like that. We invincible. Yeah, absolutely. We never think about what's going to happen, you know, after we retire, 10, 15 years after we retire. We never think about that. We are warriors.

38:15We only think about what's happening now and getting as much money as possible

38:19Shannon Sharpe:for us to live off of. And see what happens, you get a situation where you get a divorce or you have a couple of kids outside, and next thing you know, 5 ,000, 10 ,000, 15 ,000 a month. The wife takes half. She takes half your pension. So now you have the person that you went into the relationship with. Now, long term, because if somebody would have told me when I was 25, 30, 35, 40, that I was going to have both of my hips replaced, I wouldn't have believed it. So now you're talking about$125 ,000 surgery per. Okay, you get, I mean, some of these cancer drugs, you're talking about$30 ,000,$40 ,000 a month.

39:01A what?

39:02Shannon Sharpe:A month. A what? A month. A month. Yes. So, like, LT, to your point, LT, we don't think. We think we're invincible. And things that happen to normal citizens that didn't play in the NFL, that ain't going to happen to us. We're not going to become a burden. We're not going to have Alzheimer's. We're not going to have dementia. We're not going to suffer Lou Gary's. We're not going to suffer things. That is a stress. When you have to have 24-hour care, boy, that'll eat up a savings. And so you don't think about things like that. But I wish the players would think, give it more consideration when they think long-term.

39:49Shannon Sharpe:Say, you know what? Okay. Yeah. Yeah, but a lot of – and plus, guys, other sports, they think about the guys that's coming after them. You see, Kurt Flood, he never benefited from free agency, cost him his career, but everybody else that did. You see, nobody is willing to risk anything that might cost them. And the thing is, Ocho, and I told Ocho this, sometimes you've got to plant a tree realizing that you're not going to benefit from the shade it produces. sometimes you got to fight for something that you're not going to be the benefits of what you're actually fighting for. Think about all the people in the sixties that fought for civil rights.

40:37Shannon Sharpe:Never got a chance. Come on now. That never got a chance to sit at a, to go to a non segregated place. That never got an opportunity to do anything, but sit in the back. that never got an opportunity to see a black president, that never got an opportunity to some of the things that we get afforded.

41:03Shannon Sharpe:Sometimes you have to be willing to sacrifice some things for the betterment of everything. And I don't think enough people think of it like that. Well said, well said. My grandfather worked in the cottage. So that so I could be living in this house right now. Yeah. You know, we didn't pick my my my uncles and my uncle, my mom, my uncle's older uncles, because they were born. They were born in the 40s. So they, you know, they pick cotton. My grandmother, my mom is the oldest girl. So my grandmother was still having kids. The oldest girl, what she had to do, take care of the boat, take care of the other kids until they got big enough to get their ass in the cotton field.

41:42Shannon Sharpe:My grandma pregnant and still picking cotton. My grandfather was dipping, dipping tar. unless you're from the south you probably don't know what that is but he was dipping tar so it was it was a it was a different way back there excuse me guys uh ash told me a lot of y 'all in the chat asked me why i get off camera and uh and my nose it's really hard for me to blow my nose because i got a plate in my eye and i have to be very very careful because i end up blowing the plate out my nose will start bleeding if i blow my nose too hard. So instead of just blowing it, I just wipe it. And I don't want to be on camera wiping my nose in front of it for the world to see.

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46:24Shannon Sharpe:the Associated Press. With such a turnover, it's a reason why only three running backs, Barkley, McCaffrey, and Henry are averaging$15 million per this season as compared to 26 wide receivers. It's not even the receiver money. It's like we're hanging with the punters and the kickers. You're right. They're looking at it like, Ocho, the best year is on the tire of a car is when it's brand new. You drive that car all over the city, you put 50 ,000 miles on the car the cars ain't the same yeah that's how they look at running backs that's how they look at y 'all they're like lt yeah hold on lt we gave you the ball 270 times and you caught 100 passes that's 300 touches lt and you did that one two three oh yeah that's right yeah that's how they think yeah but but listen but the the thermon thomas was point that's how they think with the tier two and below running backs.

47:21The tier ones are the ones that are still making the big money. Not as much as the receivers. Not as much as the quarterbacks. But the tier ones that could change your whole offense, your tier ones to LT's point, that can kill that time and let your defense rest for a little bit. Especially in garbage time when it's time to end a game. It's only a few. It's only a handful of those. That's why it's only a handful. Make 12, 13, 14, what? Damn near 20. Who makes 20?

47:49Shannon Sharpe:about guys to Thurman's point where does Saquon Barkley have to do to go get that money whether with the Giants or whether with someone else oh no they're Derek Henry where did Derek Henry have to go Ocho to get that money was it with the Titans or was it with the Ravens and remember last year he played on eight million dollar deal he had two years for 16 million or they came back they came back to him yes so the really the only guy that's ever gotten money at the running back position you've got to go back to uh zeke and zeke was probably the one that really hurt because he was never the same after he got that money and everybody looked and everybody looked at zeke and they said hold on look at that offensive line he got he got two for show hall of famers a potential hall of famer that retired the center retired because he's like i don't want to do it anymore and zeke just stepped off a cliff yards per game went down yards per carry get down don't Don't remember, he hurt his knee too.

48:43Shannon Sharpe:He hurt his knee real bad. He didn't hurt his knee every year, Ocho. But, yeah. But see, this is how you solve that. For one, the running backs that are game-changing, the guys that can hit a home run from any spot on the field, that can catch the ball and do everything, they're going to be the ones that have to change the game. And when I say change the game, guys, I mean it. Sign shorter deals. Strike when the iron is hot. Running backs, two or three-year deals. You know, because think about it. Most running backs, they can perform and perform at a high level early in their career. Like, it doesn't take long for them to, you know, kind of become a staple in the offense and get going and become one of the top at their positions.

49:34It don't take long. So why can't you come back to the table after two and three years and then sign a shorter deal? A two-year deal. Two-year, let's say two-year,$50 million. Oh, you ain't going to get that, Ocho.

49:47Shannon Sharpe:That's 20. I mean, you ain't going to have it. But let me tell you why they're not going to do it, Ocho. I mean, LT. Because in order for me to give you a big signing bonus, I need to prorate it over the life of the contract. So even if you want a two-year deal, let's just say, LT, you want a two-year deal for$40 million. And I want to give you, I want to give you, I say I give you$20 million to sign. Well, I only get to prorate that over two years. So now that's 10. So let's just say for the sake of argument, I give you 2 million. So I give you 2 million. That's 12 million. And guess what? Now that's 28 million.

50:25Shannon Sharpe:That's 30. Your next, that next year is 38 million cap here. They're not going to let that happen. So, and plus when you are running back and you are your first round draft pick, I got you for three years. Five years. I got you. I got you for five. Now, if I'm nice and you're on time and you haven't been injured, I'll do the deal after three. But if not, I know I got a fourth year, a fifth year option, and two franchise tags. So I got you for seven years, and I ain't got to do nothing. That's nasty work. Absolutely, yeah. That's that Jerry Jones work you're talking about right now. Yeah. The next running back that's going to hit big, and there won't be any question about it, there won't be we don't really value the running back position because we know what you can get.

51:09one of the few players, one of the few running backs in the NFL that can hit their head off the goal post from anywhere on the field, that's brother Jameer Gibbs, down in Detroit. I'm talking about he going north of 17, 18. Oh, absolutely. John Robinson going to get paid too. Yeah. They got to go above 20, though, guys. In order to reset the market for future guys in their position, everybody ain't going to get that. We know that. Everybody's not gonna get that but the special ones they gotta get that you can't 20 that i'm surprised that they

51:45Shannon Sharpe:did this for saquon because think about it guys he got a 50 million dollar quarterback you got a 50 million dollar quarterback you got a 20 you got a 30 million a 30 million dollar receiver a 28 million dollar receiver yeah yeah and you got a 20 million dollar running back and you got look at lane johnson what he make look at what my lotto make look at what dickerson's make they paid yeah they did they just redid uh uh braun you know you got to see that that man child in the middle jaylen carter you got to see him you got two guys on the edge that in another year you're gonna have to see one of them listen jaylen carter for the reset the whole market at every at every position well i don't know if he's i don't think you'll catch michael But the number – CJ Jones, Stone Cold Jones for the Kansas City Chiefs, he's at 31 and a half for DT.

52:43Shannon Sharpe:So he's way over everybody else at the DT position. Yeah, most definitely. But you're talking about a guy that's 24, 25, but he don't realize how good he can be. He still don't know how good he can be. Yeah, you know why he's not going to catch Micah? He might not – he's going to overlap, he's going to overleap Chris Jones. Yes. Simply because Howie and Jeffrey always pay early. They're not going to wait. They're not going to wait. They're going to pay early. You're not going to turn it down. And plus, Ocho, the sacks. DTs don't. Like I said, the thing is what spoiled us was Aaron Donald. Donald, yeah.

53:19Shannon Sharpe:Because D-tackle is not supposed to get 20 sacks, LT. They're not supposed to be getting 15 sacks. You stop the run, give us about seven or eight sacks. We have it. We have it with that. Be disruptive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I agree. But really, the only guy, I mean, you got two for the longest time. Nobody even approached Christian McCaffrey's 15 and Zeke's 15 for years. It wasn't until Christian McCaffrey got a new deal from the 49ers that leapfrogged. And then, because remember, the Giants didn't want to do anything with Saquon. They made him play on the franchise tag. And then they ended up letting him go.

54:00Shannon Sharpe:And when he let him go, he still didn't get past the 15. It wasn't until 2000 yards. It wasn't until offensive player of the year that he got, he broke the$20 million barrier. Think about it. Derrick Henry, he was on an 8 million, 8 to$10 million a year contract. So he goes for 19, 21 and 16, 17 touchdowns before they finally put him at the 15. So somebody going to, Hey, in order to break, to leap wrong, Saquon, boy, you, Hey, You're going to have to have an LT season. 32 touchdowns, offensive player of the year, MVP. LT, if you want somebody to get$25 million, they're going to have to have a season.

54:38Shannon Sharpe:Because LT had damn 1 ,900 yards, 30-plus touchdowns. He caught another 50 passes for another 500 yards. Unless you're going to have a season like LT had? Yeah. LT, that was that 05 season, right, when y 'all came and played us? No, it was 06. Yeah, the 06 played y 'all y 'all jumped up on the mic I think it was like 21-0 Golly, that thing was rocking in there We lost, man We just walked them down Hey Hey They over there dancing and we on the sideline clapping at them Like, okay It's first quarter Y 'all doing good

55:26Shannon Sharpe:LT when you look around the league today and there's a lot of running back what running back reminds you of yourself

55:33man that's a good one I mean you know I see traces of myself in different running backs you know like I think when I think about the jump cut you know the balance and spin and stuff say Quan kind of has that that low center of gravity gravity being able to bounce from hole to hole and then hit the hole, explosiveness. But when I think about, like, coming out the backfield, you know, I came out the backfield a lot. Gibby, man, Gibby coming out that back. Because here's the thing that people misunderstand. When you're coming out the backfield, you got to come out fast. You can't come out tipping, looking.

56:11You got to come out running, man. You know, and so because there is matchup. It's either going to be a safety or a high back on you most of the time. So come out running, scare the daylights out of them, and then cut off of them. You know what I mean? That's what Gibby does so well. So I think those two – I mean, there's a little bit of Christian McCaffrey, some things that he does as well, man. Yeah, those are the guys. I don't think people understand how difficult the running back position is when it comes to those tier one running backs, LT, like you, Jameer Gibbs, Saquon. Derrick Henry is a little bit different.

56:45He's not like you guys from – No, no, no. here is the old school bell tie back he's an old school bell tie back but you or Jameer Giff for example and you too LT being able to get the ball and be at be fast being able to come to balance and be able to reaccelerate right then and there and being able to set linebackers up set safeties up still make a move and not move and not lose any not momentum but what's the word no wasting movement that's what I'm looking for no waste of moving everything in one transaction in one transition everybody can't do that man I told him man stop letting LT

57:23Shannon Sharpe:run that damn Texas route on y 'all knock his ass down he ain't do it ever looking across y 'all damn face he gonna run two routes he gonna run the flat he gonna come up and make you think he gonna run the Texas across your face or he gonna break it out on your ass and haul ass on you man knock him down I got to a point though you know where they allow me to stay up that seam if you stay inside, I just stay in that seam. I did different like that up in my Ohio one time. Went by 70 on. You called us up, we played y 'all. I think that was my, I think that might've been my first year back. My first year back in Denver, where you hit it for like 200 and had 10 catches.

58:06Shannon Sharpe:I said, well damn. I'm like, where'd he come from?

58:15Shannon Sharpe:Man, it's like the running back position now, LT, you see a lot of guys because a lot of teams run a two-back system. That's not what you had. You were old school, tight end, fullback in front of you, low kneel, leading the way. That's what you had. In today's game, it's more of a two-back system. how different is LT's career if he had to split if he had to split reps what you mean if I had to I wouldn't do it like no I was I was selfish I ain't coming out the game dog you know I'm saying and that was part of the reason why like I prided myself on being able to do everything So you didn't have to say, oh, he can't block or he can't run this route or he can't catch.

59:10I prided myself on that. And I wanted to take every rep. I was just that competitive because I believe if I was on the sideline, something was going to happen that, you know, like I couldn't control. So I couldn't do it today, man. And here's the other thing. Like when you're the bell cow guy, you're thinking the long call, huh, Ocho? You're thinking, okay, in the fourth quarter is when I really got to get going. Let me get my yards. I'm going to step out of bounds here and there. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to save myself. But in the fourth quarter, when them boys a little bit of time, I'm going to give them the stiff arm.

59:47You know what I'm saying? I'm going to run through a couple of tackles. Because that was something that Marty Schottenheimer instilled in me, impose your will throughout the game. I mean, I hear it playing in my mind like yesterday. That was something he always said. and we live by it.

1:00:04Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, y 'all, I mean, you went to the perfect situation because Marty going to run the football. Marty going to run it. Marty going to put that ball in your belly, A.L.T. That's what Marty going to do. Hey, but here's the thing, though, y 'all. So in college, think about it. I was a perimeter runner. Yes. Like, you know, I was a sweep guy. You know, get on the perimeter, do my thing. Man, when I first got to San Diego and Marty came in, And he started talking about running power and going down the A-gap. Hey, I used to bounce that thing so much. That junkie used to get mad at it. He used to get, stay in the A-gap.

1:00:41Stay trusted. I'm like, coach, ain't nothing to hell. I got to bounce it. You know what I'm saying? But I had to learn, man. I had to learn how to be an inside runner. I didn't want to embrace it at first. But I'm glad I did, man. It did make me a better, obviously a better one. Hell, y 'all running that power.

1:00:58Shannon Sharpe:Y 'all pulling guard, tackle, and damn little O 'Neal. Hell, you kick it out, pin it down, and then here comes Loneal up in the hole on the linebacker. Now you one-on-one with the safety. Hey, ZO, ZO going to clear it out every time. Hey, them old school fullbacks like Sam Gash, I played with Gash. And Loneal, they coming with bad intentions. Head first. Oh, yeah. Neck roll it all. Hey, Loneal used to say, hey, before the play, he used to say, hey, daddy, get on my hip and don't dip. Let's go. That's what he said. Hey, they scared of O 'Neal, man. Hey, get a little O 'Neal like one carry a game on 31, you good.

1:01:40Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Yeah, you good. You good. He bought in. Hey, he bought in. LT, man, you look like you done lost some weight. Damn, you done trimmed down. Ocho, man, I'm on this intermittent fasting, man. No, no, no. Yeah, man, I get my workouts every day, man. I feel good man. I feel good man. I feel good. You gotta come, you gotta listen. I'm at playing weight. Yeah LT, you might be under 200 LT. What you? I'm about 210, I'm about 210. You need to come holler at your boy. You know I'm a nutritionist right now. I'm a nutritionist. What that diet like though? You know the same thing I eat when I play?

1:02:25Shannon Sharpe:Man, hey. McDonald's. Yeah, exactly. Don't, don't, hey. Hey, LT, don't fool with him, LT. You know, 11 NFL teams already hired me to help with their nutrition so the players stop getting hurt. None of that soft tissue injury, no non-contact, none of that. None of that's happening. No, you charge it too much, Ocho. You know, I'm on a budget now. No, I charge$20. Hey, LT, I charge$20 a week. That ain't nothing. That's still too much. I'll mess with you. $10 I'll mess with you.

1:03:01Shannon Sharpe:Hey, LT, so what time do you eat your first meal? About 1 o 'clock. So you get all your meals in between what, 1 and 7, 1 and 8? 1 and 8, yeah. 1 and 8, man. So you're going about 14 to 16 hours fasting. Yep, yep, I do. So when do you work out? You work out in the morning, so you're working out on the empty stomach. So you're doing fasting cardio. I am, yeah. Okay. I am, man. So I usually work out about 9 to 10 o 'clock in the morning. I get up early, get the kids off to school, you know, and then, you know, see, I will modify with coffee. So I'll have coffee in the morning by 10 ounces. That's it.

1:03:49Damn. Do you know how much 10 ounces is?

1:03:53Shannon Sharpe:10 ounces? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, about 10 ounces. That's a can of Coke. A can of Coke is 12 ounces. You got too fewer than that. Boy, that coffee went through you. You ain't got nothing on your stomach. Yeah. Yeah, I love that coffee, man. And so then I'll get my workout on. By that time, by that time, you know, it's around 12 o 'clock. And once I order food or cook food, it's 1 o 'clock. So, yeah. Go ahead, Ocho. I was going to say, you smoke cigars? Yeah, absolutely. Yes, sir. I got a cigar lounge in my house, Ocho. What? Yes, I got a cigar lounge. Hey, boy, you rich. Hey, um, I got to leave home to go to the cigar bar.

1:04:40He got one in the house.

1:04:42Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. So him and Joe, both of them got properties. No, my brother, he go on the back porch. He ain't got no lounge in the house. He go on the back porch and blow it out. hey lt people always ask uh me it was me you and time and carissa and uh we had picked somebody and i had picked them to win and time told me i didn't do that and and you said he did he picked him i said time i swear for god and two white men i picked him and y 'all oh my god but they don't Oh, LT, the conversation that we had watching the games, me, you, and time,

1:05:30Shannon Sharpe:I'm glad because this is kind of what my mind, this is what I envisioned with NICAP to be, was kind of, you know, yeah, we talk about games, but we talk about a lot of other things. Man, Ocho, that was some of my best work. LT said, man, LT told me I need to be a comedian. Say, I don't know why you play football. You need to be a damn comedian. For real, dawg, this man said two white men. Like, why I got to be two white men? Like, they the stakeholders? That's what we talking about. Yeah, back then, you know, back in the day, you wouldn't lie before them now, because it was hell to pay for you.

1:06:00Shannon Sharpe:You lie before them. But, man, that was some fun times, man. Tymon and I talked about that, man. That was some great times. LT, thanks for joining us, man. Congratulations on the Frogs going down to Chapel Hill, 48-14 over the Tar Heels. Come back and join us later this season, LT. I definitely will, man. Always a pleasure, my brother. Love y 'all, man. Appreciate it, bro. Have a good one. No doubt. Yep.

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