Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Adam Thielen TRADE + Kyle Hamilton’s $100M deal + Kerby Joseph joins the show

25:24Shannon Sharpe:The question is, Ocho, what we don't know, we're not privy to these conversations, did he lower the ceiling or did they raise the floor? That's a good one. That's a good one. I got it right. That's what you and I are not privy to those conversations. So what I mean by that, Chad, did he lower his price or did they raise their offer? And so that's what we don't know. All we know is that the deal got done. You and I both think maybe it took a little longer than probably what it should. but in any negotiation there needs to be a give and take because you don't want someone to begrudgingly give you something and then you guys become resentful of each other but by the same token you don't want to like man feel like you got screwed over because now you're going to feel like you you know they took advantage of you so I think at the number that he ended up getting I think everybody can live I think everybody can live with that He doesn't have to go in and play on that fifth-year option.

26:28Now he gets to come in and get a good number.

26:36Shannon Sharpe:Like I said, Ocho, what can he do with$32 million that he only needed$34 million to be able to do it? Listen, he comes in fair. It's a respectful offer. Obviously, it's not the highest. It's not as high as you want, obviously, because you are 30. But they found a happy median. A happy meal for him, his family, wife, kids. They can be happy. The team is happy. Jaden Daniels gets his receiver on a nice, peace, sound mind. So now all you can do, the business side of it is over. Let's go play football. Let's play football and prepare for week one with no distractions. We all good. Yeah, because they're going to have to do something with Laramie Tunsil.

27:20Shannon Sharpe:They're going to have to do something with Louvo. that you know they what are they going to do anything with Marshawn Lattimore that's the way Jane Daniels is coming up in after next year so you know they got some other pieces and they needed to get this out of the way so they don't have this you know going into a next season with Tunsil and Lobu and those other and a few other guys Ocho let's go ahead piece by piece because in two years you're gonna have to go see five I think you know ain't Jane Daniels five yet you're going to have to see it. It's going to cost you a chunk of change. It's going to be pretty now.

27:57Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, you're going to have to do something strange. You're going to have to do something strange to pay that piece of change. You've got to understand, you've got three quarterbacks, right, that's going to come up and it's going to break the bank for their team. So you want to take advantage of those situations now. Over there in Houston, boy, you better back the brink truck up. Down there in Washington, you better be able to back the brink truck up. at some point, I think after the season, no, Caleb Williams got one more. Bo Nix, they're going to have to back the Brink truck up. Well, he got another year, too.

28:29Yeah, him and Caleb. Bo Nix and Caleb are going to be at the same time. And Jay and Daniel. All of them came out the same track. Oh, yeah. Come on. Talk to me now. Talk to me nice, too. Let me know. Show me how much you love me.

28:46Shannon Sharpe:it's gonna be yeah i mean look the thing is you try to win as much as you can um because when these quarterbacks these young quarterbacks when it's time to dance now it it kind of inhibits what you're able to do you can't just arbitrarily go okay i'll just go get that because when you have him on his rookie contract you can do that you can go get a guy and think about just one year okay i think about just the now just to hear uh but once you once you pay that guy and you talk about you're paying a guy 50 60 and you're looking at this case you're probably talking about somewhere between 63 and 60 67 68 million dollars who knows maybe even you touch seven without blinking a high yeah and so you're looking at a quarter of a bill a quarter uh you know a quarter of a billy uh uh guarantee so that's that's that's that's that's kind of where you're headed now so with that being said, I think, you know, these guys, these general managers in the teams are trying to lock these guys up, so we don't want to have to do I'm trying to do Laramie Tunsil, I'm trying to do Lovu, I'm trying to do Jane Daniels, I'm trying to do whoever else.

29:49Shannon Sharpe:Let me go ahead and do, I deal with one thing, I can fight one battle at a time. Yes, sir. I don't want to spread myself too thin, let me fight one battle at a time, okay? I gotta fight Jane Daniels, let me go ahead and get this taken care of, okay? I need to deal with Tunsil, I need to deal with Lovu, I need whomever let me deal with one individual at a time. And I think that they'll be better served with that. But it was good that McLaurin got his money. You know, look, whether we like it or not, Ochoa, everybody is losing analytics. Because guess what else everybody uses? AI. Pretty soon they're going to come with AI.

30:26Shannon Sharpe:The team's going to be using AI to determine. I mean, the game of football is still football at the end of the day. I don't care what technology, what data, what analytics that teams try to go off of. Certain type of players win you championships. You're going to need your dogs in there. There are certain things that analytics and data can't measure. They can't measure skill. They can't measure heart. Sometimes you got to use your eyes and goddamn common sense. This MF, I don't want to curse, this mofo, he can play. and because he can play, he can help my team. And because he can play and he can help my team, I gotta pay him.

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34:08Shannon Sharpe:We've all been there. We've had seasons that have shaken everything. The question is, what remains when the shaking stops? Hi, I'm Gary Valenciano, and on my podcast, Unshaken with Gary V, I sit down with amazing personalities and we talk about the seasons that nearly broke them, the lows that carried them to their highs. Listen to Unshaken with Gary V on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Oh, Joe, hold on. We're going to come back to that. We got a very special guest joining us right now. We got all pro safety from the Detroit Lions. Led the league in interception last year.

34:52Shannon Sharpe:Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Kirby Joseph. KJ, what it do? What's up, y 'all, man? I just want to thank y 'all for having me on here. Kirby, boy, you got money, boy. You got stars in your ceiling? Yeah, I see that. I see that. I was thinking the same thing, Ocho. I'm thinking the same thing. I'm thinking the same thing. I ain't never seen nothing like that, boy. What you driving? Hey, man, just know I'm in that thing. He on that color. That look like a color to the sun. That would look like it. But from where I'm sitting, you know, I'm sitting many, many miles away, but that's what it looked like.

35:21Shannon Sharpe:I'm in the galaxy right now. It looked like you were in space, boy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Hey, how you doing? How was your offseason coming in? Because, look, the last couple of years you get to the NFC Championship game, you lose to the divisional round. So how was your offseason and how do you lose the last two seasons, this offseason to get you right where you need to be coming into this season? To be honest, I felt like that last season made me even hungrier. You know, just getting a taste of like that I can do it, then I'm going to achieve it all. That's just how I am as a person. You know what I'm saying?

35:59I'm never going to stop at nine. Like, you know, I got nine interceptions. I'm not going to stop at nine. I'm always going to try to PR, you know, because I feel like if you're not getting better, you're getting worse. Hey, how was camp this year? How's the body holding up? Obviously, are you going into it? Are you – Uncle always has a saying, if you limp into the season, you're going to limp out the season. How's your body holding up? How did camp go? And how are you feeling going into week one? Man, honestly, everything went great, man. I feel like we had a great camp. I just feel like I know now, like, you know, this is like year four for me.

36:31So it was like a lot of stuff I hadn't seen before. So, like, that saying, that saying, like, oh, the more years you play, like, the more experience you'll get. Like, that's the truth, you know?

36:43Shannon Sharpe:Clichés. Look, last year, you guys, man, you got off to this great start. You played pretty well all year, but these injuries started to mild. You lose a D lineman. You lose a D tackle. You lose a linebacker. You lose a backup. You just kept losing player after player. And AG did a great job. And Coach Campbell, your head coach, did a great job of keeping this team steady. Like, no matter who we lose, guys, hey, this is why we have 53-man rosters. Hey, guys, come in. You do your job. That's all I need you to do is your job. It had to be frustrating. You're like, well, damn. Bro, I mean, at some point in time, we got to run out of defensive players.

37:22Shannon Sharpe:We can't lose anybody else. Yeah, last year, that was – I'd never seen nothing like that in football. I'd never seen that before. I wouldn't say it was frustrating, but it was kind of heartbreaking just seeing my brothers, you know what I'm saying, like get injured and stuff because nobody wants to get injured in this game. You know what I'm saying? But we love playing this game. And, you know, that's what we signed up for. You know, injuries are going to happen. But, like, how that happened? Yeah. I've never seen that before. But I felt like, man, we just knew what we had to do. You know? I mean, you know, guys go down.

38:00You know what I'm saying? And if it's something like that that happens, man, I feel like I don't pride myself on, like, just having, like, I wouldn't say I. But I feel like us as a team, we don't, we don't, how should I say, we don't believe in like ones and twos. You know what I'm saying? It's like the next person got to go away. Right, right. Everybody can start. Because like I tell the group all the time, like even everybody always says, it's going to take all of us to win. You know what I'm saying? So like as a team, that's just what you got to do. You know what I'm saying? When your brother down, man, you got to step up to play.

38:32Hey. How different? Go ahead. I was going to say, obviously with AG being gone, I'm one of the ones I've always come to bat for you guys, regardless of who the person is calling defensive plays, with AG now being with the Jets, but the same players are still there. So regardless of who's calling the plays, from your perspective and your point, are you still allowed the freedom to be able to do what you want to do at the safety position, being that you're as good as you are, being able to have a little freedom to do what you want? Are you allowed that now? Yeah, I feel like I wouldn't say now. I always had a little freedom, especially when AG was there.

39:07Just, you know what I'm saying, learning it as I go. You know, I feel like, yeah, the same players are here. You know what I'm saying? You know, AGI. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, he had to go do what he had to do at the Jets. You know what I'm saying? I'm wishing them good luck and all. But I feel like, I don't feel like the level of play is going to decline at all. You know? If anything, I feel like it'll increase a lot more. You know what I'm saying? Because now I feel like it's just, you know, it's a new coaching staff change. You know what I'm saying? And everybody has to go through that culture staff change and that building relationships and the adversity you have to go through throughout the season.

39:42You know what I'm saying? So I just feel like it's a new turning point, you know, new chapter. Right. That's the thing for me when I'm thinking, I think about safety play. You wanted a better seat, probably actually the best safety in the NFL, you know, along with Kyle Hamilton. And to be able to get the amount of picks you get, there's a certain amount of freedom that you have to have that it can't be schemed. It can't be scripted. It's not excellent. It's just you being able to have free will to make decisions based on your eye discipline and what you see. So I know you have a new coaching staff and most of the time you get coaches that come in and they have, I don't want to, I think maybe not ego for the most part, but I want you to do things my way and my way only.

40:22So I would I would just curious if even with the new coaching staff, are you still allowed to have free will outside of the excellent those to be able to play your game? Yeah, for sure. I feel like one thing I noticed about a lot of my teammates on the team is that, man, we're football players. I feel like the team does a great job of allowing us to be football players because football is not just what you see on paper. It's not going to be like that in the game. So you got to understand stuff happened. So you got to play football, dog. You just got to play football. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

40:54Thank you. I like that you say that because this is something that I always struggle with. Somebody, obviously when I was playing, you go in, they put the scheme, the taxes, this is where we're running. They did the X's and O's. It's a straight line and he cuts right. I'm like, dude, that's not how it happens in real time. You got people moving, pushing and tugging. So it's kind of different out there on the field. And most of the time, I would always tell my offensive coordinator, give me a little freedom to do what I do, but I'm going to stay within the timing of the offense. And the same thing on defense.

41:25It's all about reading and reacting in a certain amount of time, but I'm going to do everything I can the way you draw it up, but you got to give me some freedom. We don't have me out there playing like a goddamn robot. Yeah, but go ahead. Go ahead. I'm excited. I can't play football like a robot. It's just not in me, bro. I got it.

41:43Shannon Sharpe:Right.

41:46Shannon Sharpe:No, my question is, is that you got somebody in your division that you face twice a year. That was your offensive coordinator for a long period of time. and he's drawing up plays to beat the defense in training camp. You guys are trying to scheme plays to stop the offense in training camp. So how fun, how different, how difficult do you think it'll be to face Ben Johnson? We know he's one of the best offensive minds in football, and he happens to be in your division. You play them twice a year, and they've loaded up. They went and got drafted a receiver in the second round. They drafted a tight end in the first round.

42:19Shannon Sharpe:They shored up their offensive line. They're seemingly in the preseason, and I don't want to put too much on the preseason, Kirby, but it seems to be they're flying around defensively. But you know their brand is butted on the offense. They got a first-round draft pick. They got D.J. Moore. They got Roman Dunze. I think they got – was it Burton? I think they took Burton in the second round on Missouri. They got Loveland and Cole Komet. So they're a really good team. But, you know, you're familiar with him, and he's familiar with you guys. Hey, I like that you said that because, like, you know, Ben had to go do what he had to do, just like AG did.

42:54You know, I'm happy for him, you know what I'm saying, the opportunity. Yeah, they got some guys over there, you know what I'm saying. But Ben know what's up with me. Like you said, he know what's up with me, bro. He know what's up with me, bro. So I'm never going back down or away from competition because, honestly, I feel like that he knows the players and he knows kind of the scheme we run and stuff. I feel like it's more of a challenge, you know. So I feel like it's always a way to get better. and I feel like that's a big test right there.

43:22Shannon Sharpe:I like it. Hey, you know what? I would tell you this. Dan Campbell. Because when he first got the job, that man talking about kneecaps, he's going to do all this. I'm like, well, damn. So what's he really, when the cameras are not there and it's just you guys at practice and you guys are in the meeting room, what's Dan Campbell like? Honestly, man, I feel like Dan Campbell Campbell that's just a great coach you know I feel like he's more of a player's coach because just because he understands like what you know what we put our body through and what we go through throughout throughout he was a former player so he kind of understand how everything be I feel like he does a great job of like taking care of us and he shows that he's passionate you know about a lot of things we do like the reason why he's telling us uh uh these things he's telling us is because he wants us to win not only him to win but he wants us to win you You know what I'm saying?

44:17Like, you people, what I'm saying? It's not just him or the team. It's us because we're doing this as a group. We're a team. You know what I'm saying? We reach and one goal together. So I feel like he does a great job of just teaching us that. You know what I'm saying? And a lot of the drills we do are a lot of the practices or the meetings, the team meetings and stuff like that, man. I just felt like, man, every time that man get up and go up on that podium or whatever he's talking about, I'm ready to go right now. I'm ready right now. I'm ready right now. So, I just, man, I love Coach Campbell, man.

44:47He does, you know what I'm saying, everything. I like it. I like it. Hey, what's your nutrition like? Are you one of those healthy eaters? You know, eat green stuff all the time. Like, are you big into that? I'm going to survive. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to try to eat good. But if it's good, you know what I'm saying? I'm not going to go over there and extend it and just starve myself or not eat food. I'm going to eat my food. See, I like it. See, so that brings me to my next question. I don't eat pork. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's cool. Listen, I want to provide my services. You know, I'm a meal prep.

45:22So I can provide you with meals Monday through Sunday. I only charge$20 a week. You a meal prep for real? Yeah. Yeah. I'm a meal prep. No. Listen, I'm trying to make sure you get the greatest output every Sunday or Thursday night or Monday nights, whenever y 'all might play. And you're my first client. So I'm not taking no for an answer. I'm not taking no for an answer. I'm telling you, so I'm going to let the world know, listen, I'm your nutritionist from now on, and I thank you for giving me the opportunity. Okay, bet. All right, bro. It's all good, bro. I'm going to check you out, dog. I'm going to check you out, bro.

46:00Yeah. Yeah, I got a new job. I got a new job, huh?

46:07Shannon Sharpe:Kirk, you guys traded Tim Patrick, Jamison Williams going into his third. Jamison, do you think he's ready to take that next step? Because we've seen him. So the flashes, we know what Armin Ra, we know what he's going to do, but not Jamison. And at first he was just that guy that tried to get deep. But now you can just put the ball, you can hand it to him, and he can go hit his head on the goalpost. You can throw him a smoke screen, jailbreak screen, and he can go to the end zone. So what do you think? What can we expect to see from Jamison this year? Man, honestly, I'm so proud of Jemmo, man.

46:43Jemmo's one of the guys that you see out there, and he just continues to get better. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like this year, I feel like they ain't seen this Jemmo yet. They ain't seen this Jemmo yet. And so I ain't going to put it all out there, but Jemmo this year for sure. I like him. He ready to run. Hey, where Brian Branch at, man? Man, BB? Yeah, man. Man, I don't know right now. He probably someone, but, man, that's none of the guys on – another guy on the team that continues to just work hard, bro. Like, bro, his back is tools or whatever he used to play safety. He's nice. He's nice.

47:27Listen, I talked about him. I talked about him all last year. Matter of fact, it got to the point where it was almost weird. I tweeted about him and you so much to the point where it was like I was – like I was stalking. But listen, I appreciate secondary play, DB play so much. Even though I'm a receiver, I was giving y 'all boys credit week in and week out, just the way y 'all play the game and what y 'all approach to the game. So I've always been a huge fan, especially, man, you and goddamn Brian Branch, man, him being able to go to safety, then sometimes having to go to corner. I'm like, man, what the hell?

48:01Like a Swiss Army knife. He's doing everything. Facts. Man, he's super talented, man. He's super talented. I feel like one thing he does the most is, like, his instincts? Crazy. Yes. His instinct is crazy. Him at nickel and him at safety is kind of – the nickel is kind of up to par. But when they moved him back to safety, you know what I'm saying, with Lizzou? Man, like, the plays he make, I just – you know what I'm saying? I'm still wishing I made them – I just put it like that.

48:34Shannon Sharpe:are you a talker when you're on the field are you talking to the opposing team is your defense talkers or you guys just go play football to be honest I feel like everybody got their own little situation going on

48:50me personally I feel like I feel like I don't too much say nothing but somebody piss me off bro you gonna hear me and once I'm going at you bro I'm never gonna stop yeah is there a player is there a player that you really don't like that y 'all always go at it to give you a better example perspective mike evans and marshawn latimore do you have anybody like that that you go at it with in the nfl or not really i got a couple damn for real yeah i don't know i got a couple i'm gonna be going for none of that right is it is it is it personal or it's like really serious like i don't really i don't i don't see you like that like i really don't see you like that there's only one like that there's only one who that i want to know i want to know so i can watch i i i'll tell you i'll tell you i ain't i'll tell you okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay once they find out they're gonna be trying to separate okay okay i got you i got you i got you no no no yeah he because once he found out he gonna try

49:50Shannon Sharpe:to get you before you get him. He know who I am. Okay.

49:58Shannon Sharpe:Obviously, your head coach, you mentioned a lot of the players from the defense and the offense is still there. Although you lost both of your coordinators, the expectations are still high. You guys won 15 games last year. The year before that, you went to the NFC Championship game. Bro, it's time. You only get so many bites of the apple before the apples gone. Y 'all been taking big bites. Hey, we ain't going to stop. Hey, we ain't going to stop until we get there, though. But I don't ever see myself especially stopping. I feel like a lot of the things we went through, I feel like it was to get us to this moment right now.

50:38I feel like we got a lot of guys healthy. We got guys back. You know what I'm saying? I feel like especially the guys that were on the team last year, they kind of understand that we gave it even more than we did the first year, but that still wasn't enough. You know what I'm saying? So, got to still keep going because now it's just any minute thing going on with the game. That could be the change of the title of the game. You know what I'm saying? So, just working on the situations and stuff like that. And then just, we got many plays. You know what I'm saying? I feel like a lot of the things that happen on the field, like playmaking, I feel like it's not only the coaches getting on us, but it's ourselves.

51:14Because we keep ourselves accountable for a lot of the things. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, because it's like I be hard on myself when I don't get an interception for the game, you know, because I feel like I leave my team down. You know what I'm saying? And B.B. might feel the same way if he didn't get enough sacks. You know what I'm saying? It's just stuff like that. Right. You know, I just be like, you know what I'm saying, let's help each other and keep each other on point.

51:37Shannon Sharpe:Week 16, you face a very familiar opponent. You was in the same division with this guy, Aaron Rodgers. He's with the Steelers now. You've had a lot of success against Rodgers. You looking forward to that matchup? Yeah. Yeah Hey That's my favorite quarterback though Oh You expect him to throw you a couple Yeah that ain't gonna stop That ain't gonna stop But hey he cool though He cool for sure I'm trying to see if he gonna sign one of them I was about to ask you the same thing I said you trying to get one of the balls Yeah I'm trying to get one of the balls I'm trying to I got about

52:21I'm just trying to get him signed, man. I'm just trying to get him signed.

52:25Shannon Sharpe:I like it. That's funny. Y 'all play the Steelers week 16. Y 'all don't play the Bengals, huh? Yeah, we do. I think we got them on the schedule this year. Uh-oh. Okay. Yeah. I think that's my first time going against Joe Barrow. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Do you circle games? Do you look at the schedule like, okay, all right, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is my – yeah, okay, I like this. I like this one. Do you circle games? Week five, y 'all play the Bengals week five. Oh, for real? I'm going to the game. Where are they playing? Are they playing in Detroit? No, we're playing Cincinnati. Okay, okay. I see you week five.

53:07I'm coming out there. I'm coming out there. See me out there? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I don't feel like I got a whole bunch of games, but I do be having revenge games. I have a revenge game. Or somebody I play the Bengals. You know what I'm saying? That's one of my games out of circle because I never played them before. I always like to play different teams and see different people and see different plays.

53:31Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, and they got one of the better offenses. The quarterback, you mentioned Joe. They got T. They got Chase, the Triple Crown winner. they're supposed to be really really good on that side of the football so you guys are really going to have your work cut out. Yeah and I see a couple of my dogs out there Chase Brown and PJ so them my dogs I'm trying to you know Jersey Swap see all them boys it's always good to see you your teammates from way in the back way in the past That's dope. Well Kirby man best of luck stay healthy thanks for giving us a few moments of your time tonight man wishing the Lions the best of luck and you guys win that division and get to the Super Bowl, man.

54:12Shannon Sharpe:Come back and join us and have a conversation with us. For sure, man. Go ahead. I'm saying my meal prep, I'm going to send you the directions on how to take the food, the amounts. It's three meals a day. I'm going to send everything to you. I'm going to send it to your DM and then I'm going to mail all the food to you starting next week. Okay. He for real? Are he playing? Yeah, I got you. I got you I promise you no listen you my first client I'm an NFL nutritionist I'm going to make sure people stop getting hurt not only are people going to stop getting hurt they're going to be able to put out the best output because of my meal plan and my meal prep so boom this is what it is it's what I do look I got like 300 jobs and I just added one to them I just added one and meal prep ain't one of them hey come on I support black business.

55:09I support black business. Look, look, when we, you know what I'm saying, we get off the call, you know what I'm saying, just hit me, you know what I'm saying, we can do that. I got you. I got you, twin. I got you. But look, I do want to thank y 'all for having me out here. I want to thank God also just for giving me the opportunity to come out here every day and play football, you know what I'm saying, and just to give back.

55:30Shannon Sharpe:So appreciate y 'all for having me. Yes, y 'all love. Appreciate you rejoining the man. Appreciate that, man. Take care. Stay healthy, man. We'll talk to you down the road. Y 'all be good. All right. All right, man. You're about to support black business. I support black business. I'm a meal prep. Don't do me like that. I'm just trying to earn a dollar. Oh, that burns you. Coach GM Chris Ballard said, team is not trading Anthony Richardson. It is easy to say, okay, he's done. I don't agree. I've said numerous times I don't agree with that. I think overcoming challenges and obstacles along the way are good for anybody.

56:04Shannon Sharpe:For anybody. I do. I'm proud of Anthony of where he's at and how far he's come. He's come miles. It's tough on any young quarterback in this league, but for him to keep taking the growth steps he has and work so hard and not get the goals for himself. All right. Now continue to do that. That's when we've got a chance to see real growth.

56:29Shannon Sharpe:You like that, Ocho? You like what he had to say? Absolutely. Also, from a business side of things, We know that the long-term answer is not Daniel Jones. We've seen a small sample side of what Daniel Jones was with the New York Giants. No, we saw a big sample side. It wasn't small. Okay, my bad. But to think that Daniel Jones is the answer long-term, that's not it. So why would you trade Anthony Richardson? He's only 23 years old. He's probably going to continue to grow, continue to get better. Sometimes other quarterbacks reach their potential much sooner than others. Maybe it's going to take Anthony Richardson a little bit longer.

57:02Maybe the benching now again and losing this spot is a blessing in disguise for him to continue to grow, to continue to get better. And at some point, if things aren't going well in Indianapolis with Daniel Jones as the starting quarterback, do you know who's going to have to come in and be that savior for the rest of the season? Brother Anthony Richardson. Absolutely. They would not let him go or trade him somewhere else where there is no backup. No, of course not. No.

57:30Shannon Sharpe:I think I don't think he's trading him now Now we might be having a different conversation Next offseason Now that's depending If things are right with Daniel Jones And what he shows us What type of growth, maturity From the quarterback position Being able to execute the offense, facilitate the ball Without the turnovers, without the mental lapses That he has from time to time Now that can save Not just in job, but his future in Indianapolis As well Yes, yes so if he gets an opportunity he's gonna have to take full advantage of it because he's not getting another chance after this he gets back in there and he doesn't he doesn't take advantage of this opportunity they're gonna move on yeah i hate because it becomes cost prohibitive for them to keep him on the roster so and you're never gonna get the value for i mean you took it with the fourth pick in the draft yeah the fourth pick in the draft oh joe you do realize like that's supposed to be at the fourth pick in the draft you're supposed to be franchise altering especially if you're a quarterback yep i mean any player that you're taking it that high up he's supposed to be friends it's a quarterback a running back a wide receiver a tight end he's supposed to be franchise altering yeah and and and normally you hope ocho you don't have to bench a guy now we'll see how he took to the benching because we saw what he did for uh bryce young yeah Yeah.

58:56Shannon Sharpe:Let's see if it can have the same kind of impact on Richardson. I hope so. I hope so. I hope so, too. He's a talent. He's a phenomenal talent, man. Once he puts it all together, it can be a beautiful thing. I mean, look, Ocho, but you look at it. A guy started, he started 13 games in college. He started 15 games in the NFL. That's 28 total starts. most of the really good quarterbacks, you'll get one or two. You get a Cam Newton that only starts one year of major college football, 13, 14 games, and he's Cam. Or you get a Joe Burrow who starts, what, 14, 15 games. I think he might have started a junior.

59:44Shannon Sharpe:I'm not sure. I don't think he started more than 25 games. With that being said, but most of the time, these guys, you've got to get – I mean, that ain't a whole lot of stars. 13? Think about it, Ocho. 13 stars and you're a project and you get your top five pick. Do you know how immensely talented you must be? But the bad thing about it is the NFL is not patient, though. Oh, hell no. The NFL is not patient because you have to understand people's jobs on the line. So when you draft a quarterback that high, that high, and you're expecting to be not only a generational talent, a franchise-changing quarterback.

1:00:22You know, listen, the Texans did it. Hell, the commanders did it. So not understanding with not that much.

1:00:30Shannon Sharpe:But look how many games J. Daniels started. He started like damn near 50 games, Ocho. Yeah, and that's the difference. Well, obviously, there needs to be a little patience on the Indianapolis Colts side and that franchise, but they don't have that kind of patience. They don't have that kind of time because people's jobs are on the line. people drop the line i can't be patient for the simple fact in three years i'm gonna have to give a guy a quarter of a billion dollars and you're telling me to be patient yeah yeah now it's not something like you know once upon a time if i can see ocho if it's like if i got 10 cars you know i could like man this car might be worth something i can sit that one to the side i can't sit my Man, because growing up, we had a Chevelle.

1:01:15Shannon Sharpe:We had a Chevelle SS with the rally racing stripes down. We had a Malibu. We had all that stuff. We couldn't set that car aside because that was our everyday car. Right. I can't stash Anthony Richardson because I need him to play. But I need him to play well because in three years, I'm going to have to give him a quarter of a billion dollars. Because somebody's about to get a contract for$400 million, Ocho. And$250 to$275 is going to be guaranteed. So I can't stash it. I can't be patient. Now it used to be I'm going to let the eggs hatch. Now I get my chicklets from smashing the eggs. Come on up out of there, damn it.

1:01:57Shannon Sharpe:I'm just being honest with you, Ocho. Look, you've been in the league. I've been in the league. We've been around the league. That's how it is now. Ain't nobody waiting. Ain't nobody waiting on you. Listen, most of the time, honestly, you think about owners, think about owners, especially in the NFL. They want instant gratification. They want. Yes. You know, because most of the owners, they are they're businessmen. And most of the time with businessmen do is when they want results right now, they throw money at it. Yeah, it doesn't work like that. NFL. No, it doesn't work like that. So the frustration piles up because in other areas of business and aspects that I have going on around.

1:02:35once I throw money at something right away I get results but it just doesn't work that way when it comes to NFL and finding an adequate quarterback that you can rely on for a decade that you can

1:02:45Shannon Sharpe:just build around well the thing that you and I talk about is that all of a sudden you start to base your success on somebody else's see it they don't have patience because I'm looking around the league and I see what Bo Nix did I look around the league and I see what Jaden Daniels did I look hold on oh wait you went higher than than Bo why why are you not playing like that why can't you be why can't you be CJ Stroud why can't you be Jane Daniels so now you're basing your guy's success on someone else's success and so now it's almost like Ocho you looking at somebody else you basing your marriage on someone else's okay they look happy but you don't know right you don't know what they put into their marriage to be happy.

1:03:33Shannon Sharpe:You don't know how they're coaching said player. You don't know how he receives information. You don't understand how he processes information. So with all that being said, you looking at it, you just looking at it like, well, damn, I see, look at his numbers and look at my quarterback number. It's not that black and white. It's not that cut and dry. There are a lot of other things that go into it, whether or not a player will be successful. And now I got to like, okay, like you said, okay, be patient. Well, that's where you do your homework. And if you take it, if you take it a project, you have to be patient.

1:04:16Shannon Sharpe:You can't expect them to come out and be like, be like CJ Stroud. You can't expect him to be like a Jane Daniels. You can't expect him to be like Caleb Williams, a guy that started at Oklahoma. and then he follows a Lincoln ride of the USC. You can't expect that. That man got 30 plus starts on his belt. You got half that. Jane Daniel got like damn 50 starts. You don't have that. So if you, if it's like, Ocho, it's like a car, an old school car. You just can't slap it together. When people say they're doing a rebuild on a car, they're going to take their time and do it. It's going to take them years but the problem is is that I have other cars I can drive so I'm not counting on this car so I can take my time.

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