Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Brown SABOTAGING Shedeur + Shilo EJECTED + Rashan Gary joins

26:18Shannon Sharpe:I said, nah, not really. He said, you got X, Y, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I'm telling you, just like this. He said, Greasy, look, it's going to be cover two. Take the hole. Greasy, it's going to be single-high safety. Run to Seven. It's going to be this. hook it up 15 yards hook it up show me your letters I'm gonna get you the ball hey let's go let's hey let's go make some money today he's all he was always like that in my ear so it gave me confidence that damn this man he don't hey I'm a rookie and he helping me he's working with me hey seven with the exact same way but once I played good in the game with him guess what now I come back on Monday, Ocho.

27:01Shannon Sharpe:I'm with the twos. I didn't get into the fourth quarter because they want to see what you can do with the starters. Okay, if he did this with some backup, let's see if we put it with the one and twos. Let's see if he can do that again. Maybe it was because he's going against guys that's not going to be there, but let's see if he can compete against guys that we know are going to be there on Sunday. So this is a very similar situation with Shadour. I would have thought, you would have thought because we had this conversation Ocho he's going to get the ref now so we thought based on our experience and what happens when you play well but listen outside of that Joe Flacco that boy looked good he looked good Dylan Gabriel came in god damn Dylan Gabriel looked good very efficient passes coming out everything sharp went down touchdown and then you know obviously 12 didn't play good today he didn't and I've said it over and over.

27:56For those in the chat, I know we have our Shador haters who don't like him. He didn't play well. Can you hear me? But most of those that are hating too, they don't watch football. They don't understand football. They don't understand the ins and outs. The intricacies of football

28:15Shannon Sharpe:that you and I that played the game understand. The nuances. We see it. We see it clear as day. But they just saw it. Oh, he played bad. He's ass. He's suck. He's a fifth rounder. He's not that good. Well, of course. Yes. Based on what you saw today. But we're trying to tell you why it looked that way. But that's neither here nor there. It is what it is. They made their decision. They had to lie in the bed with it. So, listen, I'm happy for him. This is why I watch the game with no sound. I don't want someone to contaminate my mind and I regurgitate what somebody else said. Also, the reason why I watch fans are only interested in the end result.

29:06Shannon Sharpe:I'm trying to figure out why we got said result. It's not good enough that they scored a touchdown. I need to know why. Let me see the formation. Let me see what the guy did. Let me see the defensive coverage. Was it just a great route? Did he just beat? Sometimes, Ocho, you just beat the guy. and that's okay. You get paid, he gets paid. Sometimes Ocho just gonna win because Ocho was just the better player. Sometimes the defensive back is gonna win. He wins some, you win more than you lose. Sometimes, who blew the assignment? Was it the safety? Was he getting greedy, paying attention to the tight end on the over when he should have been deep middle?

29:48Shannon Sharpe:What did the corner? Why did he not Did he not shovel the receiver down inside And sink Why was he so close up When there's nothing to threaten the flat I'm analyzing all of that It's just not good enough for me To know that they scored I'm trying to see why they scored And then I'm going to tell you Based on my experience Having played the game Having studied the game This is what I think happened So Ocho and I what we're trying to do. We're not making excuses for Shadour. Shadour has to do a better job of not making a bad situation worse. Hey, I was so confused tonight too, Un. Let me tell you something.

30:31I really do this. I watched the game for a long time, so I thought maybe I'm tripping. Maybe I'm tripping based on what I'm seeing and maybe I'm not seeing it correctly. Hell, I picked up the phone. I called TJ. I called Hoosh. And I'm like, Hoosh. am I tripping or did I see what I thought I just saw when 12 went in the game he's like yeah yeah you can tell that was a bunch of you know what you know TJ TJ don't care he just go off he just went off the rock on the phone yeah why would you put him in that situation I say okay I just want if I heard it from you and I know how you you know how TJ he gonna tell it like it is he don't care okay I just want to make sure I wasn't tripping I just want to make sure I wasn't But from another mouth that actually played the goddamn game, the receiver position, that also knows the game extremely well, all the intricacies that come with it.

31:26Okay, boom. I know I wasn't tripping. No.

31:32Shannon Sharpe:And the thing that I hate is that you keep him buried. Now, hey, Ocho, maybe you keep him and he gives reps because when you're in the practice squad, now you're going to get reps because you're going to get reps because you're practicing the other guy's stuff. Because when they hold a card up, you ran for the scout team because you want to. They hold the card up. And so they got the plays drawn up and they circle where they want the ball to go. So they're telling me, hey, this is our Fox 2X and Y hook. This is our 25 dagger. This is our double square out. This is our comeback. Like, they're telling us what this play is in our terminology.

32:17So there's no mistaking, okay, sometimes the D coordinators say,

32:22Shannon Sharpe:come in here, hey, put a little extra sauce on it. Because this receiver has, like, he got some real good, hey, he got some shake on him now. He ain't just, ooh, down there, break down. No, no, no. He studied, hey, he heads at the line, and then he go, stop going to die. So give us some of that. Hey, quarterback, run around a little bit. We played Junior Seau. Off the court, Kube and Mike would tell Keith Burns was normal out Junior Seau. He'd say, go wherever you want to go. If you're supposed to be in the A-gap, go in the C-gap. Do whatever you – hey, you got no responsibility. If you're supposed to blitz, drop in pass coverage because that's exactly what Junior would do.

33:04Shannon Sharpe:He had no idea what the hell he was going to do. And so that's how he played it. I'm like, bro, what? Hey, you supposed to blitz. He said, nah, I ain't want to blitz. Hey, that was so funny. Hey, what's the name? Told me some stories about Junior, man. Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy. Buddy. That's his word. That's his word. Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy. Oh, man. Everybody was buddy. I don't think he ever called anybody by their name. The coaches was buddy. The offense, if you played offense, you was buddy. If you played defense, you was buddy. Hey, buddy. Oh, hey, it was so funny. I think... When you're moving like I do, trips don't always come together weeks in advance.

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37:00They came out for practice. They came out for practice. And Junior Seau didn't have on his cleats. He had on regular shoes. And Nick Saban must have told him, must have told him, hey, you got your regular shoes on. You're not going to go change? He said, nah, buddy, I'm going to practice like this today. And it was so funny. The way Crowder told the story, man. Oh, my goodness. But he was hilarious.

37:27Shannon Sharpe:All right. Joining us on the show now, we'll welcome in Pro Bowler. Last year, he's a Pro Bowler. He's number 80 on this year's NFL Top 100. You were 50 last year, Rashawn. Despite making the Pro Bowl last year, they have you down 30 spots. I want to know what is Rashawn Gary going to do to get back into that top 50, to get back into that top 30, maybe even get up into the top 20. Well, I got going to see in two weeks. You know, we got a great home opener. You go? Oh, that's all crap. Let's go. Yeah, you know, got a great home opener, you know, against the Lions, NFC, you know, rivalry. So it was a nice way to start the season.

38:08I just want my work to show. Yeah. So I have a quick question for you. Camp is over now. Obviously, I'm sure you guys have a week to work with some things. Packers versus Packers. before you get into a game plan and scheme for week one. How was camp for you? How's the body holding up? How do you feel? Are you going into camp healthy? Oh, yeah. No, this is – yeah, it's crazy. Because I was just talking to, you know, my teammate Kenny about it. I'm like, you know, going into year seven, this is one of the, you know, the healthiest camps that I have. So, you know, I'm feeling good, you know, from OTAs all the way through now.

38:45I've been putting in a great body at work, and now it's just time to, you know, put it on display. Yes, sir.

38:50Shannon Sharpe:Yes, sir. You guys don't play a game for another two weeks. Is Coach LaFleur going to give you guys some time off? Are you back on Monday or do you get Sunday? You get Monday. You guys are back in there Tuesday. Are you going to get a little time off before you have to hit it and start getting ready for the Lions in two weeks? Yeah, you know, we got a couple practices coming up next week. But, you know, we got the weekend off and then back to work on Sunday. Damn, y 'all back to work on Sunday already? damn, I figured Coach LaFleur would give y 'all a couple of days off, y 'all. You're like, well, damn, Coach, we had a good camp.

39:27Shannon Sharpe:The Packers, your defense. I mean, you mentioned Kenny Clark. I'm assuming you're talking about Kenny Clark. Now you lost your cornerback, your all-pro cornerback. You released him, and he ends up going to Baltimore. How do you guys – because you guys have shown spots where you guys are dominant. I'm talking about dominant. You attack the quarterback, you stop the run, you turn the team over, you give your offense short fields. How do you stay consistent in doing that, Rashad? Yeah, just holding our standard. Everybody got to do their 111. And throughout OTAs, especially, you know, being year two in the, you know, coach half system, it's been crazy watching everybody fly to the ball, attack the ball, and actually being on one accord, you know, talking about first all the way to the fourth down, get back on track downs.

40:12We all on the same page, all speaking the same language. You know, it's been good seeing it. For you guys, especially the Packers, opening up with a game like this against the Lions is a good test for you guys defensively, obviously, whether it be on the ground, whether it be in the air, because you understand the dynamic and how special the Lions offense is. Even with Ben Johnson leaving, they still have all those weapons, you know, Jameer Gibbs and Montgomery, you know, the receivers on the outside, tight end. your thought process going into it early so far. What is it that you think you guys need to do to win that game come week one from a defensive standpoint?

40:51I already know what you guys can do on offense. Defensively, can you be able to hold them? I'm not sure where the Lions finish when it comes to scoring, but you know they can put up points. Yeah, absolutely. Just like I was saying, we've been doing a great job through OTAs and camp of being on the same page, speaking the same language, understanding what teams want to do to us, especially our offense. in these last couple of joint practices is really being on the same page as how these offensive teams want to attack us. Understand our weak points, and I'm saying when on 11 know that, we understand how to protect it.

41:20So just basically being on the same page, and when it comes to that game right at 3 o 'clock, we got to be locked in, focused, and on the court, how we've been, and just having fun. Okay, one more question, hon. One more question, hon. Go ahead. I know your team goals. You got team goals, obviously, from a defensive perspective. Team goals offensively and decently. Obviously, the main goal, you want to be in San Francisco at the end of the season, first week of February. But personal goals, your personal goals yourself that you will want to achieve. Can you share those with us, you know, whatever it may be?

41:54Yeah, I could just show you my, you know, share a little into my mindset, man. Just trying to be dominant, man. I've been training in the hardest offseason. Really just trying to take over, like I said, one through fourth downs, man. That's what I'm playing for. I'm really just trying to show everybody, you know, how dominant I can be.

42:11Shannon Sharpe:Rashawn, you're the vet now. There is no more Aaron Rodgers. There is no more Jahir Alexander. You're one of the old guards now. So now, how has your leadership style changed? Because guess what? You're one of the senior voices now. Yeah, you know, it's been great, man. It's something that, you know, you always pray for and ask for. And, you know, it's crazy. You know, we got rookies coming in and talking about, I used to watch you before my high school games. I'm like, man, I'm, yeah. So, you know, it's kind of weird, but I've been having fun. And Green Bay have been doing a great job, especially from when I came in with the guys they had ahead of me, being able to keep it real with me, especially a big guy in me was Mercedes Lewis.

42:52So, you know, talking to him how to take care of my body, things like that. So when, you know, young guys come up to me, asking me how to film, study, what to look for, things like that, I'm able just to keep it real because I had a good OG. But, man, it's just been fun, man. I'm really a lead by, you know, example. and if I need to speak, I get there. But then also I started to learn that, you know, you can't talk to everybody the same way. You know, you got to understand, you know, everybody's background. You know, everybody's background, you know, why everybody's in it. And I feel like, you know, this offseason, especially through OTAs, camp, you know, I've been able to understand people why.

43:23So when the dude get time, you know, two-minute drill, the fourth quarter when we got a lock in, you know, I could hit those points. Yeah. Hey, what's it like there in Green Bay? Is there anything to do? Is there fun? You know, it's chill, calm. Play football. Yeah, play football, man, and focus, man. Is it? Man, it's chill, calm. Green Bay, you know, slept on, but, you know, it's a great community and it's well loved. Okay, okay.

43:49Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you got Milwaukee. You got Chicago. That's 90 minutes away. You got Milwaukee. That's 90 minutes away. So, but it's easy to play. My brother played there for seven years, Rashawn, and, you know, going to visit him, you can see why they had success in the 60s. ain't nothing else to do. There was less to do then than there is now, but you can understand why the Packers have success. There's not a whole lot to get into. There's not a whole lot of trouble. There's not a look. Appleton is down the way, but that's a college town. Like I mentioned, Milwaukee, but hell, Milwaukee closed down at 1030.

44:23Shannon Sharpe:You ain't really trying to drive way to Chicago. You ain't really trying to drive way to Chicago to have a good time. Hey, when you're there for those months, when you come back for training camp and you're there, Hey, bro, let's make the best of this situation. We can get tunnel vision. We can lock in. Let's try to go compete and win a Super Bowl. And that's the mindset, and that's how it's always been being a Green Bay Packer. Let me ask you this. Is there a play that you replay? Is there an almost sack? Is there almost a ball that was on the ground? Damn, if I could have just got this one, it would have helped.

44:56Shannon Sharpe:Is there a play that you replay in your mind since you've been in Green Bay that you was like, man, if I'd have made that play, that would have been the difference in the game? To be honest with you, now I'm off the top of my head, but, you know, I played too hard to give it up, man. Like I said, I'm going on year seven, and like a lot of guys I talk to, you know, you can't take it for granted. And right now I'm in some crucial years where I feel like, you know, I could take off and start extending in the right way. Hey, it's flying by, huh? Do you realize you're in year seven already? It went by fast, didn't it?

45:26Yeah, it's going by fast. It's going by fast. So like I said, I'm trying to stay in the moment and, you know, enjoy the ride.

45:32Shannon Sharpe:Oh, yeah. It is because you look up and you're going to be in year 10. And because, you know, you're like, man, let me get five. And you say, well, let me get the 10. And then once you get the 10, you're like, let me take a year at a time. But before you know it, I mean, I woke up one morning. I'm like, damn, I'm in year 10. And next day, you know, a calling Mike said, hey, this is it for me, bro. I'm done. It goes fast. And that's why I tell guys, man, enjoy it. Make sure you're training, you're eating, you're prep, everything, because you don't want to have not one iota of regret, because regret, when you leave this game, you can't go back.

46:09Shannon Sharpe:And so to have that moment of regret for the rest of your life, it'll eat at you. So when you're done, Rashawn, when you're saying, hey, Green Bay, hey, LeFleur or Gunekinds or whomever you got to call that says, I'm done, hopefully you finish your career in Green Bay, you're like, You look back and you're like, man, I gave it everything I had. The way I trained, the way I slept, the way I practiced, the way I met, everything, I walk away with my head held high knowing I couldn't have got anything else out of the talent that God blessed me with. It's a good one right here, too, boy. It's a good one.

46:43So I think about, obviously, during my playing days and some of the players that I looked up to at the same position, obviously, while we're still playing, I would watch their film and study some of the things that they did and steal some of their moves, no matter what, just to be able to add to my game to improve year to year. Who are some players that play the exact same position you do that you look up to and watch their film to see what they do where you can add to your toolbox as well? Yeah, with me, it's funny, but I like going throwback. So, you know, I like throwing on Julius Peppers. Yeah, Julius Peppers.

47:18That's a good one. Yeah, Julius Peppers. I love Tom Ali when he was in the Kansas City Chiefs doing this thing. Yeah, Justin Houston. You know, those are guys that I feel like I run similar towards. And then nowadays, you know, you throw on, you know, Miles Garrett. You get, you know, been in the edge of, you know, T.J. Watt. But I ain't going to lie this year. A speed to power guy. A speed to power, you know. But, you know, this year I've been doing a lot of watching myself, man. Yeah, I like it. I like it. That's dope.

47:49Shannon Sharpe:let me ask you this because I was talking and how we approach the game of football how we approach as a wide receiver when you go into a game obviously you're trying to get to the quarterback but everything leads to something else I'm showing him one thing but that's not really what I want to do I'm giving him this but I really want to do that but I'm saving it for a rainy day because I know it's going to come a third down in this fourth quarter and I know I I've been running up the field the whole game. And I know, hey, I know I've been stabbing you the whole game. I've been posting and wiping you away the whole game.

48:24Shannon Sharpe:And I know you finish it on that because that's what I've given you. I've given you no reason to prepare for anything else. Is that how you approach the rush game? Is that, look, I'm doing what I can, but I know I got to have this in my back pocket when I absolutely got to get this quarterback on the ground. Yeah, shoot. You know, the thing about pass rushes, And every pass rusher I talk to, man, you know, all the great ones, you really got about four moves in the toolbox. And at the end of the day, it's really about reacting to what the, you know, the offensive lineman wants you to do. But once you get off the ball the same way and you, you know, got them thinking, oh, he about to stab him, about to stab him.

49:01Yeah, I stabbed you the first four or five, maybe six rushers. But, you know, that third, you know, crucial down, you know, third and 10, third and eight, we got to go off the field. I might just sit you down at the edge. But, yeah, it's a game. It's a game within the lines. Y 'all both know that. Yeah.

49:18Shannon Sharpe:It's a beautiful thing to watch the guys, because, you know, I'm a lot older than you. I'm probably the age of your dad. But the pass rushers, to watch DT, how he got off the edge and bent the edge, he reminds me of Von Miller. And then I see Reggie White, how he just had pure power. He just getting on the edge, and he going to hump you. You already know what's coming. you can sit down as much as you want to you 330 and try to sit on it you gonna get humped he gonna throw a 330 pound man like he's a sack of potatoes and then you get a guy like a Bruce Smith that's 265 270 all out like a Miles Garrett playing on a five technique and you're like bro how this man bend the edge like that how can he lean he's this high off the ground I'm like how how did he do that I'm watching you got a lot of power.

50:13Shannon Sharpe:I see the way you're built from waist down and the way you can post a guy wax on, wax him off. You can also bend the edge. As you mentioned, you can convert speed to power because you can. It's all about getting off the ball. Once I get off the ball, you have my mercy, bro. As long as I'm not lazy off the ball,

50:40it's going to be a good night you're absolutely right

50:45Shannon Sharpe:so let me ask you a question a lot of guys will listen to the the tv version they'll get the tv version and they'll try to pick up the quarterback's cadence how blue 17 blue 17

51:03Shannon Sharpe:Ready, set. Do you do things like that? Try to pick up the audio copy? Try to pick up the video copy? Yeah, absolutely. Shoot, I'm in the quarterback. I'm into the quarterback cadence. I'm also heavy on the offensive line talk. The offensive line is going to tell you everything. They're going to let you know if it's run, how loud they communicate, how they're sitting, eyes, body language. Yeah, I'm into it all. But especially once I hear the offensive linemen talking and they kind of be able to, you know, for my reads and everything, I'm kind of able to pick it up and play faster. Especially when you're at home because it's hard for them to hear.

51:40Shannon Sharpe:So they've got to communicate. And as much as he's trying to look at you, he got to look. But now they kind of hold hands a little bit, but he's still got to kind of look inside. And, hey, all you need is a half a step. That's all you need. It ain't no, look, these guys are good. You ain't just finna just beat these guys. but that half a step that you get, that you get on the edge, and once you get them shoulders, hey, once he turned. Tell him. Bro, you're not finna ride me up the field. I'm finna get skinny, and I'm finna get narrow. I'm finna get the quarterback on the ground.

52:19Shannon Sharpe:So, before the 2019 draft, you funded your own sports agency, the Rashawn Gary Sports. What inspired you to do something like this? Going to Michigan, being able to sit in, you know, our Ross Business School, I had a couple of classes. I was blessed and fortunate to have a couple of classes in there. And just, you know, actually talk about, you know, business models, marketing. I actually got to, you know, talk about life after football. And it's something that, you know, I really never thought about. And I'm like, you know, we could be real. You know, football is the biggest thing. This is not going to stop.

52:49It's only going to get bigger and bigger and keep growing and growing. So I'm like, you know, when I get old and then when I do hang my cleats up, You know, how can I, you know, stay around, you know, the game, you know, give the game to young guys, especially in positions where, you know, I wish I would have had growing up. And then also to leave a legacy, you know, for my kids, kids, and hopefully they kids. So we're just trying to build it, become a powerhouse. I like that. That's dope. That's dope.

53:16Shannon Sharpe:Rashawn, you do realize that division you in. You got the Packers. They won 14 games last year. You got the Lions. They won 15 games last year. You got the Bears, and many believe they're much improved with the addition as Ben Johnson as their head coach. They've added pieces on the offensive line to protect Caleb Williams. Defense seemed to be flying around under D.C. Dennis Allen and yourself, the Packers, you guys made the playoff. Jordan Love had the surgery on his left hand, but everybody say he's good to go. What do the Packers need to do to win this division? get a home game and say, hey, let whatever happens happen after that.

53:56We got to go out there and we just got to play practice ball. Like I said, we've been growing from OTAs through camp. I'm talking about even finishing the pregame. I mean, preseason on a high note. You know, we just got to keep everything flowing. Like I said, especially on defense, we've been speaking the same way. I've been seeing the offense, you know, do their thing, connecting. Even the special teams, you know, the guys are flying down. Understand that's a very crucial part and an important part of the game. So all we got to do is be consistent and have the mindset to go 1-0 every week.

54:27Shannon Sharpe:Let me ask you this. At practice, do you – if you see something from, like, your offensive line, like, bro, that's a tail. I can tell when you run the ball. I tell when you're passing the ball. I can tell how you're trying to set me up. Do you guys communicate like that? Do they tell you, hey, Rashad, bro, hey, you gave this move away. Do you guys communicate like that with one another? Yeah, that's iron, sharp, and iron, especially when I'm trying to work on something. I'm big on that. I'm talking about both my tackles come to me. Like, what bothers you? So, of course, I'm going to tell them everything I don't like to do so I can work on it in practice and vice versa.

55:03You know, me working on certain moves, okay, you telegraph that. Man, if you would have sold it up an extra step, you feel me? Or, oh, you got me on that move. I'm like, all right, you know, keep working things like that. But, yeah, it's iron, sharp, and iron in practice. And me with all the information for season, that's not going to better the team. So, I'd rather make it hard on me now. So for the guys that do give it away in season, I can play a little bit faster.

55:24Shannon Sharpe:Oh, man, that's great. Man, thank you, Rashawn, for joining us, man. Stay healthy. Best of luck. Hey, this year you was, what? Hold on, let me find where you were. You was number 80. Man, you dropped 50, you down 30 spots. So when we come back and have this conversation next week, next year, you got to be in the top 30. You got to be 30 above. Well, 30 above. It's going to be great talking to you then. Thank you, bro. Best of luck. Stay healthy. Good luck to the Packers this season, and we're going to talk to you. Appreciate y 'all. Thank you. It's an honor. Appreciate you, bro. Have a good one.

56:00Shannon Sharpe:Rashawn Gary, ladies and gentlemen. Ocho, Shiloh Sanders was ejected after throwing a punch at Bill's tight end, Zach Davidson. Should he have been ejected? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't do that. You got to be able to control yourself, especially in that moment. I know the tight end, you know, they was locked up a little bit. He was probably trying to roughhide him a little bit. But you have to be able to control yourself. You got to be able to control your emotions, especially in moments like that, especially in a game, especially in a game. So, you know, you have no choice. If you throw a punch, if anything, if your arm extends and it touches the other individual, you're going out the game every time.

56:42Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, he in the open field. That's not like an offensive and defensive lineman, Ocho. You know, you in the pile and can't nobody see you trying to hit the guy. Oh, Joe, he right there. The back judge or the side judge, that was his standing right there. He right there. You know, sometimes you got players that will provoke you. Sometimes they're always going to see the person that swings last. They never see who initiated, but they're going to always see the person who swings last. So you got to be able to. I ain't trying to get you back in front of the ref. I'm going to try to get you back when you ain't thinking about it.

57:17Shannon Sharpe:because if I do something then, you brace it. All you're going to do is turn to the ref. You see, ref? He did the age. Hey, ref, you see what 84 did? You see what he did? Don't worry about it. I'm going to get you back. It's going to look like a place. I'm going to get your ass back. Yeah. Or I'm going to get your teammate. Somebody. Somebody going to get it. Somebody going to get God. They got your color uniform on. He ain't had nothing to do with it, but that's your teammate. Hey, y 'all know how it is. that were, hey, I'm going to get you with somebody that's related to you.

57:54Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, but I agree with you, Ocho. Charlotte knows better. Charlotte knows he can't do a situation like that. Bro, you can't hurt him. He got on a helmet. So let's just say for a second about you hit him. Okay, you hit him in the head. What happened? You break your hand. You're going to get a penalty. In this situation, you got tossed. Now, even if you do rate the wrong, You do know when you get thrown out of game, Mocho, you know that's like$20 ,000,$30 ,000. So let's just say for the sake of argument. Oh, yeah. Yeah. How much is an ejection in a football game? It's like$25 ,000,$30 ,000. Not that much.

58:31The hell you say? My goddamn celebrations were$25 ,000,$30 ,000. I know they ain't. But you stayed in the game.

58:44Shannon Sharpe:your celebration they call you to get tossed out of a game yeah I'm kidding especially a first time offense too they're going to take all that into account actually like 32 ,000 they're going to let them appeal that they're going to let them appeal that first time offense too they're going to be like who you appealing it to So let me ask you a question. Mert Hanks? Nah, I think it's Brooks, Derrick Brooks, James Thrash, and John Runyon. So Brooks and Thrash, and then Runyon is over. James Thrash? Oh, goddamn James Thrash. What? Hey, wait, Derrick Brooks, you talking about... He threw a punch. Yeah.

59:36Shannon Sharpe:40 for fighting, Ocho. Hey, hold on. You said Derrick Brooks. You said about double nickel? Yeah. Okay, I didn't know that. Man, they're going to take him. They're going to take him.

59:53Shannon Sharpe:I mean, Brooks and Trash, they're very friendly, but some things... Yeah, I know. Yeah. Physical contact with an official is $40 ,000. A second offense is$81 ,000. Verbal or non-physical offense against the official. So if you curse into something, that's $32 ,000. Next one. Woo! Fighting. $40 ,000 for the first offense. $40 ,686. A second offense is$81 ,000. Woo! Woo! So, unsportsmanlike conduct. I don't you know what maybe they label it unsportsmanlike conduct but what did they call it during the game what did they say during the game because that if you throw a ball into the stands that's$8 ,100 Ocho you play throwing the ball in the stands still I know I ain't throw one chin strap shoulder pass side knee pass that's $5 ,800.

1:01:04Shannon Sharpe:Unapproved visor or tent. Lack of brand marks,$5 ,700. Personal messages about$1 ,100. Damn.

1:01:17Shannon Sharpe:Gang signs. Gang signs. Don't do that. Don't do that. That's all I got for you, Ocho. Hey, that's a gang sign too. Yeah, that's all I got. That's all I got for you. But I just say, look, the emotions got the best of him. You know, you fighting for a roster spot. I don't know what, like I said, I don't know what happened. I just, you know, saw the still shots of it. Like, so I don't know if he did this or he did that. Tieden blocking him all the way down the field. It seems like, you know, obviously Tieden came off, got up on the safety, and they just keep trying to drive him back, drive him back, and I'm assuming.

1:01:57Shannon Sharpe:He tried to dump him. He tried, yeah, he tried to dump him. Yeah, that's all. rough house. And we find out what they call it in the game.

1:02:10Shannon Sharpe:And, you know, you just got to be smart in a situation like that because you are fighting for a position. You don't want to do anything that costs you position. But, you know, hey, I trust me. Sometimes when emotion is high, logic is low.

1:02:27Shannon Sharpe:we've all done things that like we look back at like, man, why the hell I do that? Why? And Shadour probably like, as he's walking to the tunnel, like everybody, Shadour, excuse me, Shiloh, everybody's going to get got. If you play long enough, somebody going to get you with a block, somebody gonna go pancake you somebody gonna route your ass up you gonna get got it's like being in the nba you gonna get dunked on you play long enough you'll get dunked on i don't care excuse me i don't care who you are you going to get got offensive lineman gonna get beat he gonna get run over defensive lineman gonna get blocked he gonna get pancake quarterback ain't going to get hit.

1:03:18Shannon Sharpe:All that's going to happen because it's the game of football. And those guys are really good that you're going against. They're really good. I know you're really good also, but they're really good. And somebody that's really good can make somebody else that really, that's really good look bad. I don't think people realize people just say that, Oh, he's such and such. He's supposed to win all the time. No, hell you not. No, even Barry Bonds. He didn't strike out often, but he did strike out. Tony Gwynn didn't strike out often, but he did strike out. He did get nobody, hit 500, hit 6, 700. So obviously.

1:03:56Shannon Sharpe:But you know, I ain't really never got that mad, Ocho. Not in the game. I mean, have somebody done some dirty stuff? Yeah. Yeah. And I got their ass back. I mean, I'm trying to think. Would I have a... Only time I was about to fight, I went out for the beat Ray's ass. That's it.

1:04:17You heard me? You going to beat Ray up? Man, I'm going to beat Ray all up and down M &T Bank Stadium. He lucky Ed Reed grabbed me, boy. I was feeling good that day, too. Oh, you were feeling good? Yeah, I was feeling good. I was feeling good. He didn't even know. Ray didn't even know. Like, he hit me right. He stayed. Okay. Okay, go ahead. What did you say, Ocho? So Ray hit me. I went for the slant. It was too high. I know, I saw it. And listen, my helmet went flying. So once I got my helmet, once I got my helmet, I was getting ready to walk up on him, and he didn't know I was going to hit him in the stomach.

1:05:02So, you know, when you hit somebody in the stomach, the first thing they do is they bend down. And then you would catch him with an uppercut. I would catch him with an uppercut. Yeah, and so, I mean, listen, man, I'll tell you what. That 52 would have been 25 when I was done with Ray that day, boy.

1:05:20Shannon Sharpe:I don't think you had all your bearings. I think you were about to be the headless football player because I thought your head was in that helmet. It was. It was. It was. You were going to get his work, though. Hey, that's one of the things I missed, though. I know I play around a lot. I make a lot of jokes. I'm always laughing and stuff. what you miss? Being able to compete. Not against anybody. I'm talking about being able to compete against those Steeler teams with Ike Taylor and James Harrison and Larry Foote and Joey Porter. Oh, man. I thought you were going to say you miss getting hit. I don't mind that either.

1:06:05I was like Gumby. I ain't kidding about that getting hit. I got up from every single hit except one. 11 years, one hit, I didn't get up. That was it.

1:06:19Shannon Sharpe:When you pop up fast, they know they got you. No, you know, I pop up fast talking trash, though, every time. It was some good days, man. I miss playing them Ravens, man, them defenses, man. Dog, that was such a joy. Such a joy because you had no choice but to show up, huh? There's no weakness. There was no weakness nowhere. Nowhere. Yeah. Division games are always tough Second level was good Secondary was good And here goes my crazy I'm talking trash all week long To take all the pressure off of everybody else on our team So all the pressure was on me Now all y 'all gotta do is just go out there And just do your job Nah Cause they cheap shotting everybody Man cause tell Sharp to say shut up Okay Man Sharp leave alone You ain't gotta block him Well, you need to block better.

1:07:13Yeah, I enjoyed it that way, man. I don't know why, man. I know.

1:07:20Shannon Sharpe:Look, you know what? I bet your time called him from the – I bet your time called Shiloh in the locker room. Of course. Man, what is you doing, boy? That's exactly what – Come on, man. What are you doing? Really, son? You think – so let me ask you a question. You hit him. You think you hurt him? you think there's a greater chance you hurt your own self or you hurt him, you could hurt him. You hurt your own self, your own team, or you hurt him or his team. Because that's how you look. I don't know if he like, he ain't really no, time ain't really no yeller. He's more of a talker and a stern way to get his point of calls.

1:08:05Shannon Sharpe:Me, I'm like, bro, what are you doing? Really? You thought that was your answer. The man done drove you like a Winnebago. So now you mad because you couldn't get him up off you. You take a swipe at him. Oh, man. Hey, Charlotte, you're going to get the weight room, bro. Them guys big, them tight ends. Hey, you know, I was just strong, but I wasn't, you know, I was 228. them guys now, them tight as now they 6 '4", 6 '5", 250 260 hey, you gotta drop anger on them Shiloh get up on me the hell you thinking this is and Prime gotta be careful cause Shiloh you were the same one out there fighting with Andre Ryzen so how you sitting there telling me about someone punching you was out there bad time I remember that he tried to show in my house.

1:09:11Shannon Sharpe:You can't come to my house. They were going at it, boy. Oh, yeah. I think Dre forgot that Ty was left-handed. Yeah, yeah, he was looking for the right, and Ty would kill him with the left. I think that's what happened. See, that's what gets you, Ocho, because you think most of the time, and I think most people are right-handed. What's the percentage of right-handed people? It ain't no 50-50 like a coin flip. It's got to be like 70-30. right of the lefty. And so you automatically assume somebody right-handed. And so you're looking for that right, and he just, up side your head with a, cop, cop, cop.

1:09:52Shannon Sharpe:My boy was going. And see, the thing was, Ty was smart. See, Ty, when punching me, Ty didn't want to break his hand. Open, open. Ty was open-handed.

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