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25:41Shannon Sharpe:Derek Harmon was carted off the field with a knee injury and quickly ruled out. Mike Tomlin told reporters that he has a sprained knee and the injury is still being evaluated. I think, Ocho, that's kind of why, you know, you don't see a lot of the key guys play. Maybe.

26:05Shannon Sharpe:Maybe they just didn't voice it. but the guys did I don't remember the coaches being concerned like that because they threw our ass out there Ocho yeah they weren't concerned they weren't concerned and and I mean listen it's football at the end of the day it's football no matter what and if someone to me honestly the way I think if someone is gonna get hurt they're gonna get hurt it's inevitable I'm going to get hurt going full speed. It's a contact sport. You can protect your player all you want, but when it's time to play football, if they're going to get hurt, they're going to get hurt. You can't protect or stop that.

26:44You can't.

26:45Shannon Sharpe:No. Okay, I'm going to hold you out in preseason. You can go out there in the regular season and still get hurt the same way. Right. You might as well just get out there and just play football. No. Ocho, it used to be football is a collision sport. Yeah. Because you got big men running into bigger men at a high rate of speed. That was me. That was me.

27:07Shannon Sharpe:And Merlin Olsen, I think, once said, football is a lot like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors. I was a survivor. I don't know if you saw that. I read that article that they did. and when they interviewed, I think guys were the guys that got drafted in 1998 in 1988? Two years. So guys that came in in 88, their average age is about 62, Ocho. All of them. Something hurts, memory loss, get agitated, X, Y, and Z. Nine out of ten say they do it all over again.

27:55Shannon Sharpe:people ask me knowing what you know now right yeah absolutely you think i would man please

28:12man please and that matter of fact i'm just thinking about it if i had the opportunity to do it all over again knowing what I know now, I would have added some more to it. I would have added some more. A little seasoning.

28:29Shannon Sharpe:A little parsley. Oh, man, I would have, listen. Hey, Paul Tagliabue and Roger Goodell, I think I gave them hell. What I know now? Man, please. To be... If I could go back and do it over again, knowing what I know now I would enjoy it more oh instead of being so serious yeah I was so tunnel vision I was so focused all I thought about was somebody taking my job my grandmother not being able to do what she did not being able that's it I didn't enjoy the journey I was just I tried but it would keep me off the destination yeah i would get sidetracked so that's what i would do different if i could do it but obviously i can't that's why they say you're supposed to live a life with no regret i don't regret but i would do knowing what you know now that's the magnificent science of hindsight yeah knowing today what you didn't know yesterday is that i would definitely to do it different.

29:46Shannon Sharpe:But first-round pick, Derek Harmon, knee injury, being evaluated by the time to say he will be evaluated. Ocho, Jerry Jones just can't help himself. Take a listen to what Jerry told Micah Irvin about the Micah Parsons situation. They're in here to make their percentage. They're in here to basically, yes, advise Micah. advise Michael come over to the office and I'll show you exactly what I offered Michael we got it in the back it's all written down everything to go come down and look at that I would get over there you can sure look at it here's my entire point my point who is it that basically says this is ultimately recognizing we're trying to come together for an agreement, but absolutely, who is it that can go with it?

30:47And so the facts are, I don't know that I've ever been around. I've never tried to buy anything. I've never tried to do anything that I actually was going to bring all of the services and somebody else was going to do all the money. But because the in-between guy wasn't exactly the guy that I had fit there, that kept you from doing the deal. That's exactly what's happening here. So many times in this industry.

31:20Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Joe. Yeah. What you didn't hear him say is what I've been telling you. He said Michael Parsons is under contract for three more years. Oh, yeah. So that tells you he's under contract this year, and I got two franchise tags. I'm not afraid to use them. Yeah. He said the quiet part finally out loud. Yeah. Well, listen, he says a lot of things out loud that are supposed to be supposed to remain quiet. I also heard some things that he said. Listen to that. I saw I saw a clip on Twitter. Jerry Jones saying that David, how do you say the agent's last name? Muguleta. Muguleta said he told him he could take the contract and show it.

32:03And I heard Ryan Clark respond to that because Ryan obviously called Dave the asshole. Right. Did you tell Jerry that? And obviously he said everything Jerry is saying, it wasn't true. It was a lie. And this is one of the tactics that Jerry uses.

32:19Shannon Sharpe:Yes. Which is one of the ways that he continues to fool fans in general, just in general. Yes. And he has everybody on their side. By coming out and saying, I gave Micah a contract that was going to make him the highest paid at his position, a non-quarterback. but jerry at what point do owners do deals with the player jerry that's not business right that's not how you conduct business oh cho i'll give you a prime example jerry just like you guys have roger goodell he's the mouthpiece for the owners right we understand that he works at the behest of the owners. That's why I don't get mad at Roger Goodell.

33:04Shannon Sharpe:Everybody get mad at Roger Goodell and say, man, Roger did this. Roger did nothing that those 32 owners didn't want him to do. Because y 'all remember when Jerry got mad at Roger for suspending Zeke, they had already approved his financial package. Jerry held it up. Arthur Blank said, we already approved this. We're not doing this, Jerry. Jerry said, I want to know why the man... Jerry had already signed off on it. All the owners had already signed off on it that needed to sign off on it. But Jerry got mad because Rogers suspended Zeke. Jerry held a package up.

33:52Shannon Sharpe:And they used to have a big six. jerry jones mr craft daniel snyder yeah a few other guys they kind of that was roger's right hand right they kind of ran the show they're all the owners you know hey 32 but you know some has a little bit more influence than others yeah a little bit more power yeah yeah yeah yeah so So I'm not surprised. I don't know why, Jerry. Michael, that's why you have to be careful. See, you went in there thinking, you're just, hey, you doing something, a little leadership. He started talking numbers. Jerry thinks y 'all got a deal. You just think you guys talking about leadership and, hey, what you need to do to get better.

34:37And you know what? You know what's funny? You know what the owners going to always do? They going to always lowball you too now. Yeah. They going to always lowball you. and the fact that Michael Parsons, as smart as he may be, as smart as he may be, when it comes to that contracts and that fine print and that language, well, you don't know nothing about that.

34:59Shannon Sharpe:If he wanted to take the Bobby Wagner approach, Ocho, if he wanted to take the Bobby Wagner approach, Richard Sherman ended up doing it. Lamar and his mom ended up doing it. I think they had an attorney, somebody read over the fine print, say, okay, this, blah, blah, blah. Okay, that's fine. but Michael hasn't given no indication well if that's because Michael I think if I'm not mistaken I think he's been with athletes first since he came out you know Michael's got an agent but you try to excuse me you tried to circumvent the agent so you tried so in other words he tried to do a back alley deal a back door deal Ocho you can't do that that's bad business first of all it's the NFL and the NFLPA's fault.

35:44Shannon Sharpe:Because Jerry knows he's not supposed to negotiate contracts. He knows that. But the NFLPA, with their weak asses, allow it. The NFL that's afraid of Jerry Jones because he'll sue him, just like Al Davis. Wait. So they let him do it. Wait. Jerry will sue who? The E-League.

36:06How the hell he gonna sue?

36:08Shannon Sharpe:The same way Jerry Jones is the only honor, the only thing that he's a part of the what they call it, revenue sharing. His TV. He has his own merchandise deal. When everybody's with Coke, he's with Pepsi. When everybody's with Reebok, he's with Nike.

36:32Hey, but he running his own program, man. That's how Al Davis used to be. And you know what? The game that he's playing right now it lets me know because I got his fans all over Twitter too. See, see Jerry's going to make Micah the highest paid and they really don't understand the game he's playing. Fans don't understand. They falling for it. So let me get this straight. Because he said, like, come on, man.

36:59Shannon Sharpe:How much is Miles Garrett guaranteed? So without even knowing, because at the time, Miles Garrett contract wasn't done. Right. T.J. Watt contract wasn't done. The highest pay with the guaranteed money was Nick Bosa. So you mean to tell me sight unseen. He was willing to go to a number that's more than Miles Garrett? Miles Garrett got$124 million guaranteed. What was Nick Bosa's guarantee? Because at the time, because Nick Bosa, so it was Nick Bosa, then Max Crosby, then the Dale Hunter.

37:42Shannon Sharpe:What's the what's the total? So 140. So Miles Gary got 140 or 160? 40 a year, 124.

37:52Shannon Sharpe:Four for 160.

37:57Shannon Sharpe:Bosa got five for 170, which is about 30, about 34 million a year then, if my math serves me correct. Okay. I'm just... Hey, boy, Jerry shot out, boy. Jerry tried to hit Micah with a little banana in the tailpipe. And you see what he does? You see what he did, Ocho? He put it out there. Like you said, and fans, look at Micah. Look what he got out there. TBD. Ain't that what he says?

38:34Oh, he put up a little prayer. Micah 7-8. He said,

38:41Shannon Sharpe:Even if I fall, I will rise. The Lord is my light. Hey, that's... Micah getting biblical. Hey, you know it's serious when you start going to the scriptures. He removed all cowboy stuff from his social. Oh, he did? Yeah. Hold on, hold on. I ain't see that.

39:08Shannon Sharpe:Look, I know David. I know his agent a little bit. Spoke to him. I don't speak to him as much now, but I used to speak to him a fairly decent amount. This doesn't sound like him.

39:23Shannon Sharpe:Now, I don't want to be the one that says what a person will or won't say, Ocho, But I'm just saying, in my interactions with him, he doesn't come off as that type of person to me. Right. Jerry is trying to sway public opinion. Yeah. Put that out there. Hey, the public, hey, Micah being greedy. Micah ain't no team player. Micah's not a team player. Because if he's a team player, he would take this deal, leave some money for somebody else, blah, blah, blah. And it's working. Because they, listen, they eating it up. yep they ended up not knowing that's the game that's the that's the game and they they don't they don't see it that way they just see it what it's one-sided because if you're a cowboy fan you're a cowboy fan you're not a michael parson you're michael parson's fan because he plays for the cowboys so therefore if he goes somewhere else yeah it's oh man it's it's crazy it's crazy It is.

40:23It's a game, and Jerry knows how to play it very well.

40:27Shannon Sharpe:Yes, because he's been playing it longer than Michael.

40:32Shannon Sharpe:Michael's 26, Jerry owned the Cowboys since 1989. So that ended up itself. Plus, Jerry Jones has been a businessman. He knows business. That's why Michael hired an agent. You hire people that know what you don't. And you know what the funny thing is? What's that? This kind of business with this kind of money? Yeah. It's not fair. It's not fair. And negotiations will expose people for who they truly are and how they really feel about you when it comes to what you think your value is. Right. Well, damn, that's how you really feel about me? Well, hell, Jerry already said, already let Micah know how you feel about you.

41:19He said what you say in your mind, he said it out loud. he said okay

41:27Shannon Sharpe:Ocho okay what you what y 'all agree y 'all agree to ain't no ink on no paper no Ocho did you realize at one point in time Google tried to sell itself Google tried to sell itself for a billion they said nah we good I think it was Yahoo said nah that's too much realized they made a mistake came back tried to buy them again and they said, nah.

41:55Shannon Sharpe:Okay. It wasn't no ink on no paper. Right.

42:01Shannon Sharpe:Who that bought YouTube? Meta bought YouTube. Who bought you? Google. Google bought YouTube, Ocho. Yeah. For little or nothing. Google, how much YouTube revenue it generates for Google.

42:23Shannon Sharpe:every 21 days just google that wait what would i put see how much google paid to buy youtube now see how much money youtube generates in revenue and advertising google acquired youtube in 2006 for 1.6 billion. Okay. 1.6 billion. Not Google. How much money Google generates in advertising revenue? Just every 21 days. What the fuck? Oh, sorry.

43:05How much are you?

43:08Shannon Sharpe:2065 billion? Okay.

43:24Shannon Sharpe:yesterday's price ain't today's price

43:31man google had a 900 a 96.5 billion fourth quarter revenue

43:43not the first three the fourth quarter

43:53that's a different world that's a different world right yep that's a whole different world

44:02now you see what i'm getting at yeah so jerry what you thought the price was in march his name wasn't on new contract that ain't what the price is in august september

44:15Shannon Sharpe:but i told you what he's gonna do i said oh joe the problem that that he has that that's why the first thing i said get away with the franchise tag oh yeah you you want the money to go up exponentially get away with the french get away do away with the franchise tags yeah that should be that should be the first thing gone first

44:37And the second should be the goddamn health lifetime benefits. Yep. Health benefits. And then we'll work on the guaranteed contract labs. But in that specific order.

44:53Shannon Sharpe:You can't have free agency if somebody still controls your right.

44:59Shannon Sharpe:I can franchise you. No. No. but hopefully uh uh michael and the cowboys get this thing worked out he gets a a number that he's feel comfortable that he feels comfortable with and everybody's happy with because that's what it comes that's what it comes down to when you're moving like i do trips don't always come together weeks in advance sometimes production shoots interviews or something i've got to travel for on a short notice like the time when i had the last minute trip to denver and everything came together fast. Once it was locked in, I had to be ready to go. That's where Amazon Prime can make a difference.

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48:19Shannon Sharpe:Okay, Ocho, we got a very special guest joining us tonight. We got two-time Pro Bowl cornerback from the Chicago Bears, Jalen Johnson. J.J., what it do? What's up? What it be, dog? How you living? Man, I'm doing great, man. How are you living? I'm good. I ain't going to lie to you. I'm tired as hell. Hold on. Hold on. Y 'all got a game tomorrow. Y 'all game tomorrow or Saturday? Tomorrow. We in KC right now. Oh, okay. But y 'all, it's slow boogie now. Yeah, no, it's slow boogie. You got to have that steak dinner, though. I got the ideas. I done got out the shower and everything. I'm ready to go.

48:57Shannon Sharpe:Oh, you're ready to lay it down. Okay, the Bears defense. Ocho and O, we saw you guys the other night. Yeah. You guys were flying around. Offense looked really good. Defense was getting after people. What have you been most – what has Ben Johnson, coming over from the Lions, what has he been able to steal because instilling you guys because you guys look different i know it's preseason and i don't want to i don't want to get too carried away jay but you guys look different you guys look different i think the message is different um honestly speaking i feel like it's one of those things where talking to him personally and listening to him in the team meetings he's he it's like he's one of us talking and when he gets up there it's not like okay yeah we're gonna go out here we're gonna execute and it's like nah it's just about whooping the guys in front of you, like, really, like, dominating and instilling, like, your will.

49:47And I think really just preaching that, that goes a long way because, I mean, I feel like even in Detroit for a long time, they didn't have talented guys, but they had a lot of guys that had grit, as they like to say over there, and guys that work hard that are tough and things like that. So it's like him, that fits him. So just really coming for us. And, I mean, even Dennis Allen, he's telling defense, damn near, we live every day in practice. So just really that mentality as far as going and playing physical is really just honestly overdoing it really is a thing that we think of really in the defensive room and really what we say is like toe the line, toe the line between going too far and really pushing the limits.

50:26Have you been able to tell the difference in Caleb Williams, the way he commands the offense, the way he's playing with Ben Johnson at the helm calling the plays? Is he carrying himself with a little bit more confidence as opposed to how he did last year? Can you sense that a little bit in camp? Yeah, for sure. I think really before camp, coming in, of course, off the rookie year, it was tough, the losing streak, the instability, and all the drama that came with, of course, this first year. So, I mean, really just coming into that second year, having all that adversity really under your belt, there's really no worse that you can do, I feel like, outside of what happened with us.

51:02I feel like just really for him, going back to the drawing board, getting better, and then just coming to the building ready to work. but I mean for him it's always he's always been confident I think it's that that that's not something that's ever going to change I think it's just now about execution.

51:15Shannon Sharpe:Jay you one of the few vets last year that you called out your teammates you didn't just say put it all on the coaches you put it on players also you say you can lead a horse to water but you can't you can't make him drink yeah it's like you know some of these guys lack motivation what were you trying to say without calling out any specific names what message were you trying to get across to your teammates like They're putting, look, he's probably, this coach is going to lose his job. But guess what? If you guys don't pick up your play, if you don't get better habits, the next coach going to come in here, he'll lose his job too.

51:47Yeah, no. That's exactly what it is. And I feel like a lot of times guys get in the league and say, oh, man, this coach is this. And, man, they playing me and they doing this. I'm like, nah, it's you. Like, for me, I'm one of those guys where it's like, if we're getting beat on defense, that means I'm getting beat individually. That means we all get beat collectively as a unit. It's not necessarily the scheme. We had bad eyes and the dude, we let a guy go free or I didn't win my matchup, whatever it is. I don't think it's always fair to say now there's damn some coaches that can put you in bad positions.

52:20But I think for me, my biggest thing was always look at yourself first. And for us, I feel like we didn't have guys that exhausted everything. I feel like after practice, that'll tell you really what you have in a team. How many guys are catching 100 plus passes on jugs? how many guys are working on technique, how many D linemen are doing their pass rushing drills, how many receivers are working on releases with the DBs. To me, all that goes without having to be told to you. So I think for me, that's my biggest thing. It's like, nah, we can't call somebody else out before we call ourselves out.

52:51We got to look at us and then put the work in individually, and then we can start pointing the finger somewhat to everybody else.

52:58Shannon Sharpe:I'm looking at you guys, man. Last year, you guys had some – you guys lost some close games. I mean, you literally snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. I don't know how you guys did it. You guys had a game. I was like, oh, bad. The Bears done got this one. A few times. So let me ask you a question. Like, when you're on the field at Washington and you're like, man, ain't no way he can throw this ball this far. Okay, but if he does, we're going to knock it down. Or you see a situation where you have several games that you guys were winning late in the ball game and you end up losing. How frustrating is that when a team young like yourself trying to win but seemingly find ways to lose?

53:40I know Washington, that one still hurts me because they showed all the damn time. It's hard to run from that one. All the other ones you kind of can forget about. But I think just really in that moment it's about maturity and having that composure. I feel like it's really just about composure. I feel like at times we let the moment get too big and the execution slips. I feel like even on a Hail Mary, of course, my dog wasn't locked in on the other side. But I feel like even before that, I feel like there's some things that we could have been locked in and focused on in that moment. Yeah, y 'all let that man get out of bounds, throw that 10-yard outrun.

54:13Shannon Sharpe:What the hell y 'all got? What? I ain't going to go. Go ahead, Jay. Go ahead, baby boy. I ain't going to say to you, Jay. I'm going to let you go. But it's really just stuff like that. Even late in the game, I know we had, I think it was a close game with Green Bay before Minnesota, Detroit, all those teams. Of course, divisional games. But I think it really just comes down to that poise in the moment, that poise in executing when it comes down to it. Because, I mean, I feel like, again, every team goes over situational ball. It's not something that is a lack of knowledge. It's just really a lack of poise in execution in that moment.

54:43But that comes with experience. So hopefully we don't keep having those same mistakes.

54:48Shannon Sharpe:Looking at your offensive line, they rebuilt the offensive line. What you got going on, big dog? This is Spanos. Say hello. Spanos? Thanos. Thanos. Yeah. That's a hell of a name for that little bitty. He said, hold up, hold up. He said, what you trying to say, Jay? What you trying to say? That's all right. He going to get bigger or he going to stay that side? Nah, this is it. All right, come on. I don't know what you got going on. The big one upstairs, he in his pen. He's asleep. Understood. Do you think you see – I'll put offensive line. That's my point. I look at what you did offensively. You guys went and got three, I think, three new starters to protect Caleb Williams.

55:33Shannon Sharpe:You draft a tight end in the first round to go with Cole Komet, with DJ Moore. You got, I mean, Zakios. You got guys at a Roman Duse, your first round draft pick. Offensively, you guys should be better. But you do realize, Jay, if the offense gets better, that doesn't mean you get to take a step back. You have to meet them where they are. Yeah, for sure. I think, too, for us in Chicago, we're a defensive city. So, I mean, they mean us where we at. Okay, that's what's up. That's what's up. Yeah, no, no, no. We're not worried about matching them and what they're doing. So, I think for us, just really just keeping that.

56:07That's our culture. I mean, tough, gritty Chicago ball. I mean, it starts with the defense. So, we're not really tripping. I mean, Dennis Allen leading a hell of a defense. DA coached D now. He can call a defense now. I love me some DA right now. He ain't rubbing me wrong yet. So, I love DA. Al Harris, of course, is the DB's coach and teaching us and really showing us how to take the ball away. So, I mean, for us on defense, we're not worried about setting that standard. We're going to push the bar a little bit. Hey, listen, you being one of the better man-to-man DBs in the NFL, right? I'm going to ask your opinion on who you think the top five receivers are in the game right now.

56:47What's been the most difficult challenge for you to cover so far? Top five. I feel like top five you got to put some details on. Is it just skill or are we going off production? How you want to – I mean – Like it's kind of – it's different. The guys you face. What about the ones you face? Let's go the guys you face. You could – I face. Top five based off those you face.

57:12Oh, I would say – No order. I would say Justin. I'd probably say A.J. Brown. I'll go Tariq Hill. That's three that I faced.

57:31Shannon Sharpe:I don't know if you see Alman Rod because he's mainly in the slot. Yeah, I would say it's tough because he's good. I think for me, I just don't get enough reps against him. Jamar, I only seen him when he was a rookie early in the season, so I haven't really seen him. But I would still throw Jamar in my top five for sure. Four, or not four, five. this would be, I would say CeeDee Lamb is in my top five. I know as far as covers, I would throw Mike Evans in there. He's definitely giving me some problems, especially early in my career. Yeah, those would probably be the hardest guys on top of my top five in general.

58:13Okay, that's dope. Listen, I know you have your team goals, you know, what you want to do defensively. are you allowed to tell us any individual goals you might have for this season? Hell yeah, that ain't against no rules from what I know. No, that's me. I know some people don't want to disclose what their individual goals are. Nah, I'm all good. I got it memorized now. I know I want to have seven interceptions, three forced fumbles. I want to have 10 turnovers. 50 % completion or lower than 50%. No touchdowns allowed. And then what was my last one? What was my last stat? I think I was like seven or so TFLs.

59:02And then it's like I'm missing one more. I think it was no more than 300 yards given up in the season.

59:10Shannon Sharpe:I like that. Defensive score, pick six, scoop and score? Oh, three touchdowns. That was the last one. That was the last one. Three touchdowns. hey what did you do you said what did you what did you do different this year to make those goals a reality i bought a jug machine okay bought a jug machine for sure definitely getting my catches in and it's crazy because it's like being a db you don't you're not really taught catching techniques and how to track the ball what part of the ball to track to look at you just kind of just go out there and catch it. But it's like, when I was on the jug, seeing it, kind of looking at different things, I'm like, nah, you really gotta see the tip.

59:50Like, you see the tip, you... Pause. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm glad you caught that one. You know this, Ochoa, and I ain't say nothing. I wasn't saying a word. Did you clean that up, cuz? I'm sorry. Yeah, nah, nah, nah. I told me that. I said, hold on, hold on, hold on. Seeing the point. Seeing the point of the football. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It helps you catch it a lot better. You can see you can catch it. So I think for me that's been the biggest thing, getting reps at that. And then really everything else is always working on technique, make sure I'm in position. But other than that, it's really just a mindset, going and seeing the ball and the ball's in the air, going to go get it.

1:00:24Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I think the thing is that you have to think because as a DB, you're taught to knock the ball down. You have to retrain the way you think. You got to like, I got to go catch this ball. Because as a receiver, we're taught you'll catch it. We ain't trying to – I mean, obviously if the ball's about to be intercepted, we're taught to knock it down. But you're mainly taught more so to knock it down than catch it. So now you have to retrain yourself. You see guys that get a lot of picks. You see like a Deion or Rod Wilson. They're like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Did you play wide receiver? At any point in time, did you play a perfect set?

1:00:54In high school, I had a little package or something, but I played defense. I was always a defensive specialist.

1:01:00Shannon Sharpe:Because most guys like play quarterback with a wide receiver or something that was a DB. It's crazy. It's a lot easier to catch an offense than defense. I promise it is. It is. And I don't know why But I feel like when I play receivers It was easy I didn't really drop too many passes But when I get on defense I feel like it's a lot different Because you do realize on offense When the ball is coming your way We're actually trying to throw it to you When the ball comes your way We ain't trying to throw it to you We're trying to throw it to the guy that you're covering No doubt I got one more question Normally playing DB Obviously I'm a huge fan I'm a huge fan of DB play.

1:01:44How do you know when to take chances when you know what's coming, based on alignment, based on tendencies that you see watching film? How do you know when to take those chances? So basically, think about Asante Samuel on film. You already know I'm going with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he would always get interceptions. He would always jump stuff because, okay, I know I saw this. I saw this on film. I know what it's going to be. How do you know when to take those chances and when not to? Honestly, I feel like it's honestly as simple as that. I feel like if you know, you know. And I feel like if you don't, then you got to somewhat play reaction and gain from there.

1:02:23But I think a lot of times when you – not even when you study, when you look at the game, and for me, I've learned this as I've gotten older in the game. It's like the offense is based on timing and spacing. So it's like if you can understand their formations and the spacing that they're in, and you can get your read on the quarterback to getting the timing of the routes because, I mean, you're not going to get a three-step and then he's running a nine ball. I mean, he's probably not going to get the ball then, depending on if you're playing off, man, at least, if you're playing off. So it's like really matching it up to where it's like, okay, if I can read the quarterback, get my three-step read, he's either got a hitch, he got a slant, and really that's about it.

1:02:59So it's like I have really no need to move. I think the biggest thing is the confidence in, I don't even say jumping in. Believing what you see. Yeah, and taking it away. I think because when you sit there and you see that guy running full speed, and I know receivers like to work on the deception and come off hard when you're really not going deep. It's like you got to be confident in yourself to where when you see it, it's like, nah, I know this is fake. I'm about to go. Or I'm going to just wait on it and then just really go from there. I think watching more film and even watching Dig since we got Al over here, it's like he wasn't taking chances.

1:03:32He just seen it. He would just see the quarterback. He would get a good read on it. Oh, yeah.

1:03:38Shannon Sharpe:I forgot that's your DB coach now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Al Harris. Yeah, Al Harris. He over here with the good guys, man. Hey, man, tell Al I said what's up, man. I will. He told me he put paws on you back in the day. What kind of paw? What kind of paw did he talk about? Deeds. Nah, well, he might be tripping. Go turn it. Nah, I'm playing. He ain't saying that. He ain't saying that. I'm going to play. Go turn that film on, now. I don't want no way. Al was nice, though, boy. Hey, JJ. Yeah, yeah, I love. Hey, him and Mike McKenzie when they was in Green Bay? Yeah, the Dreads. I was in Long Dreads. Yeah, hey, Al would take a chance now.

1:04:15Shannon Sharpe:Hey, you better not play with Al. You remember Seattle where they say, hey, the quarterback called heads. Hey, I'll take that. Al said, no, you're not. I'll take that. They hit the other way. Yes. Yeah, no, I love having Al. It's for sure that ball mentality, especially like when you see three-step. He didn't get mad at the DBs when he ain't driving the three-step. We ain't driving certain routes when we see the quarterback. So it's all about really getting those reads and having confidence. Right. You do realize that the corners, you guys live on an island. 100%. It's you and that guy. It's mano y mano.

1:04:53Shannon Sharpe:That's the matchup. And a lot of times, you ain't got no help. You got to have amnesia. You just play corners, you got to have amnesia. Because you're going to give up some balls. Guy's going to run a great route. He get paid just like you do. He's studying Jalen just like you studying him. How are you able to block it out? You give up a touchdown or you give up a big play. How are you able to block it out like, okay, that happened, especially if it's early? Because knowing that you got three and a half quarters left to play. Yeah, I think for me it's life. I feel like playing DB for me is just another area of life for me as far as stuff going to happen to you early in life, stuff going to happen to you late in life, and it's like you still got life to live.

1:05:36Shannon Sharpe:So, I mean, for me, I don't get too caught up in it. It's like at the end of the day when you live long enough, you're going to mess up and you're going to do some good things. When you play DB long enough, you're going to give up some passes and you're going to break up some passes. So, I think for me it's really as simple as that. I think, I know Medea said in one of her movies, or in one of the movies, I got to get them more than they get me. So, I mean, I feel like that's really the name of the game. I think honestly it's just trying to not get got as many, as less as you can and then get them more, as much as you can.

1:06:06But it's really that simple. I think too, especially when you're going against top guys. I mean, I got, I personally got a gauntlet this year with all the receivers I'm going to see. So it's like, I'm going to enjoy it. I mean, yeah, they don't catch some passes, but again, for me, as long as I win more than I lose and turn the ball over, I feel like I'll be good.

1:06:21Shannon Sharpe:Well, good luck this season, man. Stay healthy. Thanks for joining us, Jay. He leaving already? What's up? Y 'all at home week one? Yes, sir. Monday night. You're going to pull up, huh? Matter of fact, you know what? I got to be at the Sportsbook at Riggity Field on Sunday. No, I swear for God. Oh, okay. Week one, I'm at the Sportsbook on Sunday at Riggity Field. So you're going to be at the game on Monday, though? I'll stay if you can get me a ticket. I'll get whatever you need. You just holler at me. Bad, bad. No, I really got to be there. No, no. I really got to be there. Dead ass. No doubt.

1:06:59Tell your people, hit my people, and I'll take care of you. We family. All right, bet. I can come over to feeling stuff and get autographs and stuff? Hey, man, it's all. It's you. It's you, man. I'll talk to my people. Let's go. I got you. All right, bet. All right, I'm going to holler at y 'all. All right, J-Bag.

1:07:15Shannon Sharpe:Stay healthy, man. Good luck this season, man. We'll chat down the road. No doubt. Jalen Johnson, cornerback for the Chicago Bears. He nice, too, boy. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, Joe, Troy Aikman spoke about Michael Parsons' leverage. His leverage is they can't win without him. Without Michael Parsons, I just don't think they're going to be able to slow anybody down. Now, what the Cowboys are going to do, you think I know the answer to that? But the longer they wait, the price just continues to go up for Michael Parsons. Troy is no stranger to watching holdouts. Emmitt held out lasted two days before Jerry came to his senses.

1:07:54Shannon Sharpe:They went 0-2. They got Emmitt back, and they ended up winning the Super Bowl. I think Emmitt led the league in rushing that year. Should we expect a holdout? Do you foresee a holdout until Michael Parsons gets his money, or does he come in and play in good faith? Who come and play in good faith? Michael. Man, Michael ain't no goddamn fool. Absolutely not. I told you they will always use that against you. If they know you're a fool because you love the game of football, they'll play in your face all day. They will play in your face all day. Absolutely. Micah better not come back. No, sir. No, sir.

1:08:32Especially, especially with the owners come out and said in the game of the game of mind games that Jerry's playing to publicly talk about your agent. You talk about the player. Oh, hell no. I'm not coming back. Absolutely not. Well, what's the point? What's the point of paying him? He might miss games like he did last year. over there. What?

1:08:59Shannon Sharpe:That's the urq that he said that, huh? Yes. You know, how do you... I'm still can't... Like, how do you say something like that about your player? That's something that you think that you don't want to say to yourself. Like, damn, I paid him all his money and now he's on the sideline and hurt. You don't say that out loud. You speaking stuff into existence. Like, I mean, man, but y 'all, boy, you like... You know what? I'm going to win me some good money and I'm going to go buy the Cowboys. You laughing. I'm going to go buy the Cowboys and me and you going to run it. Ocho, there ain't enough lotteries being played for us to get enough money to buy the Cowboys.

1:09:43You never know, Ocho. You never know. Never say no.

1:09:48Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, that's tied to his whole identity. Even when he dead and gone, former Cowboys owner Jerry Jones. so hey we might pull our opinions together and get something but the cowboys ain't it look that's something that you sit down and talk with your agent how well you've done with your money that you can withstand 20 million dollars so that's basically a million dollars a week you'd be stepping away from you ain't got to step away you can stay right there You stay right there. He ain't going to play in the games? He going to play in the games? No. Well, if you don't play in the games, you don't get paid.

1:10:31Back spasm. That's all right. He hurt. He in. He there.

1:10:35Shannon Sharpe:He there. He's under contract, right? Yes. Okay. If he shows up, oh, my back hurt. I can't play. Y 'all want to play games? We can play games. Oh, he going to get paid. Boy, that would be an ugly situation. I mean, Jerry making it ugly. I can't say I disagree with you. Oh, I mean, listen, Jerry want to play hardball. He does. But, hey. I don't know why Jerry does this. I don't know why he waits the week before the season. We saw it with CD. We saw it with Dak. We see it with Zeke. Emmitt missed two games. The difference was Emmitt didn't have a contract. see Emmitt did not hold out Emmitt didn't have a contract at all so

1:11:36so damn just think about that man man I boy if I own the Cowboys I'm telling you boy we have a Super Bowl every year I'm spending everything on everybody

1:12:03we need to start

1:12:04Shannon Sharpe:playing the lottery then they don't have a lottery out here in Vegas because they got casinos they don't want you playing the lottery they want you to go to the casino they don't want you to double dip huh they don't want anything that's going to take money out of the casino pockets Okay, okay. Yeah, the Cowboys fans, they deserve this, man. They deserve a reason. They deserve misery. No, no. Pain. Oh, okay, I see. You remember what Clubber Laird told Rocky? They said, what do you see from Mr. Balboa? Pain. Damn, man.

1:12:44Shannon Sharpe:It's tough. It's tough because Micah's been an all-pro. he's been defensive rookie of the year he's been all those Pro Bowls that he's been to and Jerry has compensated him for that now he's saying Jerry I've outplayed that contract based on what I believe I'll be the next four to five years this is what I need accordingly now maybe it was he's going to make him the highest paid now you got to make him the highest paid again which is more than what TJ Watt got more guaranteed money. Micah said I need like$150. I tell you what, you know what, I'm nice. $135 guaranteed. I need like$180. I need like

1:13:35Shannon Sharpe:four years, $220. Hey, you know what's funny when I think about it too? And Jerry think he's slick trying to make it seem like he was going to pay Michael Parsons and have him the highest paid, but it was before Myles Garrett contract. It was before T.J. Watt. T.J. Watt. It was before. And before your guy, Chase. Back Crosby. Yeah, before Chase. So it wasn't going to be in the 40. So now, hey, bro, that thing at 42, 43. It wouldn't have been no good. It would have been good. No disrespect to those that are watching. I'm just saying in terms of the type of player and caliber which Michael Parsons would be paid.

1:14:14It wouldn't be no good. And he young. Baby. He 26.

1:14:21Shannon Sharpe:Baby, that's crazy, man. 26 years of age? Yeah, I need all that, Jerry. I'm sorry. I need, I need, go. I'll tell you what, Jerry. Hey, five, give me five for 250. Damn. Five for 250. I don't want but 140, 150 guaranteed. Oh, so the$250 just to make it look good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I like that. I don't care about the guarantee. I tell you what, Jerry, you give me five for$500 million, but I need$150 of it fully guaranteed. Okay, I like that. I don't care nothing about that fluff. You see all the plate, the plate be all designed. They got all that stuff drizzled on it like that. Does it taste good?

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