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19:10Shannon Sharpe:Joe's a seven-time high star. Yeah, I know, I know. I've never had the privilege of watching Joe play in person. So obviously when Joe joined us and they get a better understanding of Joe, by the seeing all the goddamn highlights, I say, well, goddamn, Joe! No, them guys, but when you start looking at those, I mean, look, there's levels of this. You start looking at the Steph Currys and the LeBrons and the KDs and all those guys. Man, it's levels. It's just like it's level two receivers. You know, you got tier receiver. Then you got, oh, man, they got really good. But he ain't that. Right, right, right.

19:42Shannon Sharpe:Quarterbacks, he might be – I mean, he pretty good. But for me, it was a joy to see in person. It was a joy to see in person, even though they might not be at the highest level anymore, might not be playing on the biggest stage. It's hard to get back in. I mean, how old Beasley now? Beasley got to be what, 34, 35? No, he might be 36. He's 36. Okay, yeah. Yeah, hey, that was a joy though. That was a joy. When you're teeing off and your clients are watching, it's on. When the game goes to overtime and your squad is right there with you, it's on. When you swap out that other nicotine pouch for something softer and feel the difference right away, it's on.

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22:51Shannon Sharpe:Williams completed five of six, 97 yards. 36 of those yards came with a touchdown pass to Olamide Zaccheaus.

23:04Shannon Sharpe:Man, I know it's the preseason, Ocho, and I don't want to get too far in front of this, but the Bears look good. Why was I just getting ready to say that? I was getting ready to say the same thing. Listen, I know what Caleb Williams can do. I've seen him at USC. I've seen flashes of him last year without someone like Ben Johnson at the helm. to help him develop. Without Ben Johnson's creativity from an offensive standpoint, understanding what he can do and help Caleb get to that next level at the quarterback position, I want to talk about that goddamn Luther Burden. That goddamn Luther Burden, boy, look good, boy.

23:39That goddamn rookie at receiver, bro. Luther, I've never met you before, but you look good tonight. Obviously, in the preseason, people say, oh, it's preseason. Don't get too high. Don't get too low. But you look good, boy. I've been watching the past two weeks This week, I mean It doesn't matter who's throwing the ball I'm not sure why he's running with the twos and threes You know, he

24:00Shannon Sharpe:What you mean? So he's going to play in front of Roman Dukes And DJ Moore? Obviously, I mean, three receiver sets I'm assuming it would be Okay, Zaccheaus is in the slot Ooh, that's A They got some decisions to make over there Because he looked good Now maybe when they go five wide and you saw they ran a lot of tight ends. They had Loveland, they had Cole Comet. Now, he is a multiple set. He'll run a lot of different sets. He'll go two tight. He'll go three wides. He'll go five wides. He'll go empty. He'll put his backs out. But this offense looked really – I thought overall, I thought they played well.

24:39Shannon Sharpe:I thought the defense got after the Bills. I thought the offense moved the ball, whether it was Williams or Bajet. I guess that's how you say his name. He came in with 13-22 for 196 and a touchdown. I thought Williams was unbelievable. The opening drive to go 92 yards on five or six passes. He had 107 yards. They had over 500 yards of offense. And like I said, I don't want to get too far in front of myself. But they look good. Very good. But they did look good, and they're going to be a lot better because they have a guy that has an offensive mind because you got a quarterback and you need somebody that's imaginative, that has an imagination to put him in position and say, hey, son, I want you to be you.

25:18Shannon Sharpe:I'm going to put you in the best position possible. The offensive line is much improved. The offensive line is much improved. Very much. The Bears look good. And like, Chad, y 'all, look, I know it's preseason. It's only the second game of preseason. And I really don't want to, like, get a speeding ticket. But let's just say I'm going 40 in the 35. I ain't going 55-60, but I'm going – I'm a little over the speed limit. I'm liking what I'm seeing from the Bears. And I'm going to say this again. I think I said it on either last night's show or maybe I said it sometime last week. The same teams that are always in contention are going to be in contention this year.

25:57Chad, I'm going out on a limb. I'm going to say it before the season even gets here. The two teams that I think are the dark horses to surprise everybody and make a run and having a playoff appearance, the Chicago Bears and the Carolina Panthers. I'm telling you people might people might in the chat you might laugh let's say yeah right whatever whatever I'm telling you watch and when it happens don't don't call don't call me ultra domus I just know I just I just understand how things are going to play out I'm excited I'm excited for the football season man like you don't understand I'm excited yeah it's right around the corner it's right it's right around the corner we're uh what September 4th yeah

26:41Shannon Sharpe:Our Thursday night, Dallas and the Eagles. Dallas and the Eagles. So we're about three weeks away. God damn. Well, we're two weeks from Thursday, right? So two weeks from Thursday. What the hell are we supposed to do in between that time?

26:57Shannon Sharpe:We'll find something to talk about. We'll talk about you scoring zero points in the big three. That's a whole show by itself. I mean, it is a whole show by itself. I can see if I scored zero and we lost. But the point of a team game is to win, I thought. First of all, you can't score zero. I mean, you can score whatever you want as long as you win. You had zero. If they need it. If you score, that means you put something on the board. I ain't scored no touchdowns. Listen, there are so many other aspects to my game outside of just scoring because we already had two prolific scores on the court.

27:29So what did I do? My defensive presence. I was like this. They couldn't even get by me. And then I had them messing up, turning the ball over. You should have saw me. You should have been courtside, man. Why you didn't make Gilly turn it over? He did. I made Gilly turn it over twice. Turn the ball over twice. They're playing defense. And they tried to pick. And I squeezed right through the pick like Michael Jackson. Went right through the pick. Uh-huh. No, no, no, no, sir. I got skinny real quick. I got skinny real quick. No, where you going? Come here. Oh, you fought over the screen? No, I ain't even bow over it.

28:09I wouldn't bow over it. You fought right through it. I got skinny. So we, it didn't work.

28:13Shannon Sharpe:Interesting. Yeah. Listen, man, listen, so many other aspects of my game was on point where I didn't even need to be a score. That's how great I am. That's how great I am. I think, I, I, I think in watching the bears, I think Ibra Floos and his system or whomever he had coaching Williams. This is the best. This is the best we've seen the bears office. Look, Look, Chicago scored zero touchdowns on its opening possessions last year. So in 17 games, they had zero touchdowns on opening possessions. And like I said, I understand this is a preseason game. They had the most drives ending in punts. They were dead last in total offense.

28:53So, look, you can't go nowhere but look. Whoa, whoa, whoa. The Bears were dead last in total offense last year? Yes, 32.

29:08I like them to finish in the top 10. I like them to finish in the top 10 with all limb goddamn weapons.

29:18Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, they got some weapons. All the weapons. I mean, they had 43 carries. And the thing is that I like about him that he'll run it and he'll throw it. They had 39 pass attempts. They had 43 rush attempts. First of all, that's a lot of damn plays, even for a preseason. let's get that out of the way. It's the Bills' fault. It's the Bills' fault. Too many goddamn three and outs.

29:47Shannon Sharpe:Trubisky, Mike White.

29:52Shannon Sharpe:Frank Gore Jr. looked good. He had a fumble. Yeah, you got to have that thing high and tight, especially when that traffic coming. He ain't seen him coming. He saw the guy from the side. Yeah, the blind side.

30:09Shannon Sharpe:and they are in a tough division that is a very tough division that the Bears are in you got Green Bay, you got Detroit, you got Minnesota so you gotta get better you don't have no choice one thing you have to get better on is putting up points because every other team you just named they putting up points and I'm not talking about field goals either no, but it's going to be interesting to see what Detroit is without Ben Johnson. Well, hey, wait a minute, Unc. You got to understand, even without Ben Johnson there, the same players are still there. So I think even with the creativity, regardless if the creativity isn't there, the players that are called, they still have players that can go get it.

30:50Jamison Williams. Oh, God. I'm talking so fast. Slow down, Ojo. Slow down. J-Mo can go get it. Amon Rossby Brown can go get it. Jameer, you know what you get from David Montgomery and Jameer Gia Because, I mean, I think regardless of who's calling the plays, the play calling job is that easy because of the elite talent at his disposal to be able to use.

31:15Shannon Sharpe:Well, if it was that easy, so why wasn't Chicago any better than what they were if all it was was about the players? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. There's no Amon Ross St. Brown over there. There is no game over there. We said they look good. Did we not say the Bears look good? Now, what player that we said looked good that wasn't there last year? You told me it's the player. It doesn't matter who the play caller is. So it shouldn't matter that Ibra Flues was there or whomever the play caller was. Listen, I'm speaking specifically on personnel and skill set. I'm thinking of the play. Come on.

31:50Caleb Williams, was he not the quarterback? Please. No, no. You're not understanding what I'm saying. I'm understanding what you're saying. By positions, who has the better players? and I mean no disrespect to what the Bears have. I'm just saying that it's levels, right?

32:09Shannon Sharpe:Yes. I'll give you another example. What happened to the Eagles when they lost both of their coordinators after going to the Super Bowl? They had the same players. Jalen Hurst was there. A.J. Brown was there. Devontae Smith was there. What happened the next season? Did they look the same?

32:34it's not a trick question but i'm i'm trying to i'm trying to think okay when they wait when the eagles went to the super bowl they went to the super bowl

32:42Shannon Sharpe:they lost they lost both coordinators the offensive coordinator and the defensive coordinators the same players were there oh wait hey is that is that the is that the year where the defense couldn't tackle a goddamn couldn't tackle a soul you said it didn't matter yeah i think i think we tell we we make it because the eagles problem was their defense they wouldn't tackle no goddamn body and it what about the offense to that point it looked like they was doing it on goddamn purpose what about the offense how'd the offense it was all right it was all right it was all right yeah jalen hurts had more turnover in the first half of the season than he had the entire season the year before but you said it looked the same But you can't wait.

33:26Hold on. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You can't you can't blame the offensive wolves on the individual player on the person calling the goddamn thing.

33:33Shannon Sharpe:I'm asking you, did their office look the same as the offense that went to the Super Bowl? Did their defense look the same as the defense that led them to the Super Bowl? That's all I'm asking. But listen, I tell you what. I tell you what. I love the points you're trying to make, but I know the makeup of the Detroit Lions offense, that they're still going to look to par regardless of whether Ben Johnson is there or not because of what they have there. What about defense? They lost AG too, though. Oh, that's nice. They still got Brian Branch. They still got Aiden Hutchinson. He's back. Yeah, he's back.

34:15They got one more dog over there. I'm losing. I'm losing. Terry and Arnold. Are you talking about Kerry Joseph? Yes, the safety. Kerry Joseph. Hell, he had what? 10, 10, 9, 11. I think he had 8 or 9 picks. Terry and Arnold. Listen, long on the dog. He got to keep his hands. Why would I just get rid of the state? Yeah, that's it. That's it. I think they're going to be right on both sides of the ball. I know one thing. They're going to put some points out. They're going to put some points out.

34:43Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, it's always, sometimes you have a, like, it takes you, sometimes it takes a team a year to adjust. Because Ben has been there so long. I mean, he's been there, what, four or five years? I mean, that's the only person that Jerry Goff has had in his ear since he's been in Detroit. A.G., he's been to D.C. for, what, three years there? Very good. So, look, they're an extremely talented ball club. They're one of the favorites, along with the Eagles. the Eagles, Detroit, the Packers, the Niners, you know, Tampa. Hey, hold on. I got a question. You just said the Niners. You think the Niners still going to look the same?

35:30No Debo? I don't know. They got Robert Salah back.

35:37Shannon Sharpe:Debo didn't give him anything last year, Ocho. He didn't give him anything. He won the Debo from... But here's the thing. They also get... Let's just say they get a healthy Christian McCaffrey back. Hey, that's nasty. Now, it's going to be interesting to see how healthy Brandon Ayuk is and how soon... Because sometimes, Ocho, it's the year after the... It's the following year. Not the season right after the surgery. It's the year after.

36:07Shannon Sharpe:So, we'll see how soon. But, you know, hey, they still got an outstanding offensive line. Big Trent, let's see how healthy he is. Can he get back to being Trent Williams? Kittle is still a top tight end in the league. Purdy. Now, they did lose some guys. Dre Greenlaw, Ward. They lost some guys. Hafanga. They've lost some guys on the defensive side. But Robert Sala is back. That defense wasn't the same. Without Robert Sala. Without Robert Sala. Hey, did they ever fix receiver, Jawan Jennings? Did they ever contract? No, I haven't heard anything else about it. I haven't heard anything else about it.

36:49Yeah, he's nice. For the work he put in and then stepping up when Ayuk went down and when Debo was hurt and injured, he made some really good plays and made sure they didn't miss a beat offensively. I hope we reward him before the season starts.

37:07Shannon Sharpe:yeah it's kind of outro kind of like the situation that uh cam hayward is in remember they tore cam hayward gave him a two-year deal and then you know he played well and said well i can't see myself playing on on this number because um because other guys he saw other defensive players get pay raises sometimes the worst thing you can do is base your worth on what somebody else got. That's a good one. I like that. I don't know. They used to do it. I don't know if they still did it when you was there. You remember they used to pass the thing around, the sheet around? All the receivers. They had all the highest paid because you were receivers, so you saw what everybody else made.

37:50Shannon Sharpe:You're like, he making that? Plus, you got all the guys on your own team, plus every receiver, what they're making. Oh, man. Man, that thing come out there. I get that thing. I be looking at somebody's team and like, you make that? And you giving us that? Man, speaking of teammates, Stope told me to tell you hello. Crockett. I see old Ray. What? I see old Ray. But, hey, that was my role, dog. Me and Crockett was quick to take a trip to Vegas. Yeah, Ray. Ray told me to tell you hello, man. Man, I ain't talking to Crockett a minute. We got to go back. I'm going to hit him up. Stop.

38:45What are you doing?

38:47Shannon Sharpe:He's drinking out my cup. Oh, damn. I don't even want to say. I'm like Ray on what you call it. When the man walk out there naked, he had Jell-O. I don't even want it no more. What you were drinking? Water. Okay, okay, okay. Look at him. Look at him. He ain't do nothing. He thirsty. Hey, twin, twin, you thirsty, twin? Bro, he just left. He got water in the kitchen. Hey, you know, water in the kitchen and water in the cup be two completely different things. It's the same water, I promise you. Look at him. Look at him. I don't even want this no more, George. Bro Why you come up here I thought you wanted to lay down anyway Well he look like a miniature lion

39:40Oh man Hey you know who play tomorrow night huh Who The Hoover Oh yeah Who they play

39:52Shannon Sharpe:They play the Commandos Oh you saw us put foot in Arizona last night, did you? It looked good, too, didn't it? The Bronco country. It was all right. It was all right. It looked good. The Bronco country. It was cool. It was cool. It was cool. I want you to go down and I'm going to send you down to Miami. Drink out of every cup on the table. At my place? He come to my place, he's going to be mad. He's going to be thirsty as hell. I ain't got no pots. I ain't got no pans. I ain't got no cups. I ain't got nothing and now like i i live i have a a minimal a minimal what's the word are you a minimalist yeah you seem like you're a survivalist that too that too that too see all the unnecessary stuff i used to get nice big places and start just buying stuff and it looks so cluttered so i uh i remember when i think my idea when kim when kim kardashian was with kanye remember they had that white house where it looked like a museum when you walk in.

40:56Everything was real spacious, but it was cool. And it wasn't all cluttered. It looked different, like a museum. So that was my idea, and that's what I did. I went all white. I ain't got no pots. I ain't got no pans. I ain't got no damn toaster. I ain't got nothing. Yeah, yeah, I ain't got nothing. But it looks really good. And when you walk in, it's like, wow. This looks expensive. You know? Does it look lived in? Yeah, yeah, it looks lived in, but I keep... Everything is all white. Of course it looks lived in. Like, my kids come in and I tell them, don't touch nothing. Don't touch nothing. Don't sound, don't do nothing.

41:40Don't touch my piano. You know, I got a white piano. I've been taking piano lessons. Don't touch nothing. Yeah, man.

41:52What the hell is? man we trying to do the show twin go play with Teddy

42:05all right lay down

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44:23Shannon Sharpe:Here's to the calloused hands of freedom. Copenhagen, saluting American grit, proven since 1822. Warning, this product is not a safe alternative to cigarettes. The Saints quarterback competition might go down to the wire. shook, played four drives, gained only nine yards in the first two. Then he went five or six on his best drive, which ended in a Chris Olavi drop, leading to a field goal. Spencer Rattler had five drives, one of which ended in a field goal after he threw a 49-yard pass interference call on an incompletion to Mason Tempton. Rattler finished 18-24, 199, with a touchdown and an interception.

45:06Shannon Sharpe:I thought both of them made some good throws. I thought Rattler made it on a deep seven round, Ocho. He threw it, basically turned it into a square out because the wide receiver squared it off. Yeah, nice, nice route. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. I could be wrong, but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Spencer Rattler started. You think they can put Shuck in front of him? Well, he started, if I'm not mistaken, I think he started today, didn't he? Well, they did. Didn't Shuck start today or Rattler started today? They did it on purpose. If Shuck did start, they did it on purpose.

45:42Okay, we let Spencer Rallis start the first game. Shuck, you don't get to go this game, and we'll compare the two.

45:50Shannon Sharpe:I don't know. Yeah, we'll see. Yeah. See, it's like my grandma used to have a saying, when two things are bad, listen, you got to go with one of them. You got to pick the lesser or the evil, I guess. Something like that she used to say. all the time. Neither of the two have shown any signs where it's like, you know what? He clear as day is the better player. He clear as day is the better quarterback with the ball in his hands, making the better decisions that give us a chance to win week in and week out. They don't have someone like that, which is why I don't understand. Never mind. I'm not going to get back to the draft.

46:29Shannon Sharpe:I think, and plus, Ocho, I think of the four teams that's in that division, clearly they have the worst quarterback play of any team in that division. you know, Tampa, I think Tampa has the best quarterback. Probably the best team. The best team. Maybe in Atlanta. Clearly. And then, you know, you like Bryce Young or do you like Michael Pennington Jr.? But no matter where you put them, 2-3, 3-2, whatever the case may be, those quarterbacks are still better than what they possess in New Orleans. And that's what New Orleans is up against. I mean, that's what, you know, the Saints are up against is that the quarterback in that – and they're not going to face very many teams in which the opposing team quarterback is worse than theirs.

47:14Shannon Sharpe:Because when you look at it, when you look at the landscape of the NFL, you tell me who got worse quarterbacks than what the players in New Orleans. I don't know. I don't know.

47:29Twitter is very truthful. People on Twitter and Instagrams, they tell the truth. And I simply asked a question not too long ago. Saints fans, are you optimistic about the quarterback situation depending on where they want to go, whether it's Spencer Tyler? Oh, no, no, no. And they like, no.

47:50Shannon Sharpe:No, you're not going nowhere with no quarterback. We're going to be trash. We're going to be trash. This is their fans. Look.

47:59the hardest thing to do is when you have a great quarterback is to not be afraid to draft a quarterback and you see you see what happens when you go look at

48:15Shannon Sharpe:because they take all the reps and the last thing you want to do is take a quarterback high Ocho and take the quarterback off so teams skate around it and the next thing you know the guy died he he rots on the vine he leaves now what do you got they never got an adequate replacement for drew yeah you got you got it you got say what you want about coach belichick but coach belichick was trying to he was trying to predict he was trying to get ready for the future he was trying to have the bridge now he started to build a bridge too soon but look at pay look at pay right they didn't have a thing.

48:53Shannon Sharpe:He gets hurt. They go 2-14. Now perfect thing happened. Perfect story. Guess what? Andrew Luck's coming out. Now, it'd have been great if Luck could have stayed healthy. Well, they had skilled position players, but they couldn't protect him. And he didn't do a good enough job protecting himself. Because he took some shots he shouldn't have taken. Sometimes you gotta protect yourself. You gotta protect yourself. They need to do a better job of giving him an offensive line, Ocho. But he need to do a better job of protecting himself once he got past the offensive line. Slide down. Run out of bounds.

49:28You can't play

49:29Shannon Sharpe:hero ball against those guys that break you. And so, and that's the hard thing because, you know, nobody, we saw what happened when Green Bay took Aaron Rodgers. It ticked off Brent Favre. When Green Bay took Jordan Love, it ticked off Aaron Rodgers. So you, you, you, I mean, you walk in a real, real tight, Robocho, like, I know I'm going to make him mad, but I can make him mad and have another 10-12 years of prosperity once he leaves or I can keep him happy and when he leave I'll be in the trash bin for a decade there are two teams that are struggling in that same in that area right now the Pittsburgh Steelers did it with Big Ben obviously the Saints didn't have anyone once Drew Brees decided to hang it up correct you're right so that's a fine line that teams walk and I don't envy that having to make those tough decisions.

50:27Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, the Texans trade John Mechie III to the Eagles. Texas received Harrison Bryant and a fifth-round pick. The Eagles received John Mechie and a sixth-round pick. Eagles' room now includes A.J. Brown, Devontae Smith, who was a teammate of John Mechie III, Johan Dotson, and Johnny Wilson. Hey, that's not fair. That's not fair. Jay Tuck said, dog, WTF is going on. Why do teams just keep helping the East? I was just getting ready to say the same thing. I was just getting ready to say the same thing. Not only do you add another wide receiver to the receiver room, you still got Saquon Barkley. You're coming off a Super Bowl win.

51:11You got one hell of a goddamn defense. You know, you got the young studs out there, Keon Mitchell and what's the – Cooper DeJuan. Oh, my goodness, Cooper DeJuan, boy. He's so nice. Listen, Cooper Dejan was so nice and played so well last year. They really let Darius Slay go to the goddamn Steelers. Like he made that big of an impression, you know, we can move on. As good as Darius Slay still is. The money.

51:37Shannon Sharpe:Look at that. I mean, you got a guy with a second-round pick that's on a rookie contract. Or you got a guy making$14,$16,$18 million. And they're looking at it like it's not – they're like, with the D-line we got, he ain't got a cover loan. Yeah, it's good. good thought process. You know what I'm saying? That's how team look at it.

51:58Shannon Sharpe:So, I mean, plus, you know, Mechie was, I mean, the Texans turned it in. Like, he was running, I think I read he was running, like, fifth on the depth chart. Fifth? That's what I said. Because, you know, they got Christian Kirk from Jacksonville. Hey, that boy can run, boy. Christian Kirk, he can run. You got Nico, Christian Kirk. Who's in number two? He is because, you know, they got Nico Collins. Tank Dale's not going to play. Oh, man. Okay. Okay. I like Tank, boy. Tank nice, boy. He is nice.

52:35Oh, that's crazy.

52:37Shannon Sharpe:Look.

52:42Shannon Sharpe:They need – they wanted to make sure they're straight at the receiver position, the Eagles. Look, Johnny Wilson, I think Johnny Wilson's a rookie, isn't he? I think he's a rookie. I'm sorry if he's not. But Mechie is a third-year guy. Remember, he missed his first year, Ocho. He was dealing with Uquima. Thanks to the man above that he was able to beat that. Came back. But A.J., Devontae, Johan Dotson, Mechie, how soon can he pick up the system? He'll probably be the fourth wide out. And they had to, you know, you turn that into get John Mechie on the sixth-round pick. Harrison Bryant. It's the second year.

53:21Shannon Sharpe:Okay. so we don't a guy that might not even made the roster we end up getting a tight end that we need because one of our tight ends got hurt he's going to be gone for the season and we pick up a fifth round pick a guy that might not even made our roster so we get a need position and a pick from next year according to Diana Rossini the Bengals have been actively engaged and trade discussions surrounding Trey Hendrickson for weeks. According to teams, they've reached out to Cincinnati only seeking draft capital in return. They're also targeting defensive players in a potential deal. Last season, Hendrickson ranked first in sack, first in pressure, sixth in pressure rates, third in havoc plays, second in tackle for losses.

54:09The last two seasons, off the field, Hendricks, a defense. With him off the field, Ocho, your 30-second in pressure rate,

54:17Shannon Sharpe:30 seconds 32nd and success rate 32nd and pass rating when he's on the field your top 12 in pressure rates top 12 and success rate top 12 and pass rating i don't understand this this is what i don't understand you knew you weren't gonna play him they knew that ocho but what they thought he was gonna do what he did last year oh he'll come in he told you he wasn't just like chase said if Y 'all pulled that bull jive y 'all did last year. I'm not coming in. He said he wasn't coming. Yeah. Y 'all knew y 'all wouldn't. See, I don't understand, Ocho. Why would you not move him before the draft and get somebody?

54:59Shannon Sharpe:Get a draft pick. Listen, I have no idea. I thought maybe, I'm thinking maybe, maybe Mike Brown, Katie, Troy, Duke, understanding that Trey Hendrickson loves not just the team, but loves the game of football. And maybe he would fold at some point and come back. And obviously he's one that understands the business. And you got to hit while the fire is hot. You got to hit while the stove is hot. And this is his time. This is his time to hit based on what he's done, not just last year, but the previous year as well. But then you also look at from their viewpoint, well, hell, You had 17 sacks last year, but our defense was horrible still.

55:43Shannon Sharpe:But you paid your quarterback and your two-wide receiver. But our offense was phenomenal. Let me make sure I hear you right. Talk to me. This is what Trey Ringo said. He said, let's recap. The Bengals have a generational Hall of Fame quarterback. They paid their two top targets. Despite all this, they missed the playoff last season because their defense was terrible. So how do they fix that? by listening to trade offers for the best defensive player, unsigned defensive end, Trey Hendrickson. This is how management fails its players. Kyle Brandt said, if the Bengals trade Trey Hendrickson, it will just be the second time in the modern era that a player has led the NFL in sack and to be traded the following season.

56:23Shannon Sharpe:The only other time that happened, Kansas City traded Hall of Famer Jared Allen to Minnesota in 2008. Allen was first team All-Pro three times with the Vikings. well I mean the reports are saying they are listening they're listening to um trade on listen trade office so I'm hoping I'm hoping oh Joe but you knew you weren't gonna pay him he had made it abundantly clear you got so whatever y 'all work behind things he's like okay he came back okay maybe if I get close there they see me there hey we can engage again they were unwilling he's not going to take what you're going to offer him 17 and a half sacks and back-to-back years they're not very many guys that's played since the sack became an official stat in 1982 have put together 17 and a half sacks in back-to-back seasons he's done that i just don't know how you think you got also if you couldn't if you couldn't stop anybody with him who the hell are you stopping without him?

57:27Shannon Sharpe:We saw last year Chase had the triple crown. Burrow led the league in what? Passing yards and passing touchdowns. And you missed the playoffs because your defense was atrocious. And what do you do? Clearly, the guy that's leading years ahead of everybody on your defense, it's not even close. And remember, Ocho, you released Pratt. He wanted a deal as well. Pratt went to the

57:58Raiders oh yeah um okay chat me listen yeah it's it's the business understand how the business works I think the Bengals see it is we were very bad defensively last year with you why are we paying you this this much money you just got worse yeah I mean listen I mean you never know Shamar Stewart what will Shamar Stewart be for us this year he's a rookie I'm not saying we're counting on a rookie to come in. But if he's good, if he doesn't. How many rookies have ever had 17 sacks in a season? I'm not saying he's going to get 17, huh? I'm just saying the way the business works, paying you top dollar and you're bringing a rookie that's on what?

58:36Who knows? A minimal salary. Minimal salary and can come in and contribute. He might not get 17 sacks, but will do maybe not a good job at Trey Henderson, but be efficient.

58:49Shannon Sharpe:the most sacks ever by a rookie is Javon Curse in 1999 he had 14 and a half and I listen no dishes I'm not going to be disrespectful I don't know I don't know if he's free we'll have to see but freak was special I played against the real deal he was a real deal I'm excited though I mean I'm excited I mean listen I don't know what's going to happen I don't think whatever does happen our identity in Cincinnati, our identity is our offense. And I said it and I could say it again. I don't know what we're going to do defensively, but we have to improve from last year. We don't need you to be the best defense in the world.

59:28We don't need you to be the best. Wait, let me finish. I just need you to be somewhere in the middle of the pack, 15, 16, be able to make stops when it matters most. I don't need you to be number one. I don't need you to be number two I don't need you to be three, four, or five I just need you to meet us halfway Meet the offense halfway 15, 16, 17 Somewhere around there We're going to be alright

59:56Shannon Sharpe:If you had a Pat Sertan If you had a Stingley If you had a Sauce Gardner If you had one of those top guys I could say okay Ocho You can hold up a little longer But y 'all don't have that Y 'all best defensive player hands down, and it wasn't even close, is Trey Henderson. Ocho, you guys go 38 and lose 41-38. Ocho, you guys go 35 and lose 38-35. Because you couldn't get off the field. Okay, not that. With that being said, I don't know how you're going to improve. I don't know if you've made that big of an improvement defensively, even with Stewart. he will have to be curse Micah Aaron Donald LT I don't know you listen you've been around the game for a long time we've seen situations like this happen occur on many other teams they don't feel he's worth the price tag that he's asking for they've already paid T they've already played Chase they played Joe I mean I mean this is just he's the odd man out He's an odd man out, and now they're listening to trade offers.

1:01:13Shannon Sharpe:But, you know, let's just, well, maybe if you trade him. Well, you can't trade him for Micah because you can't pay Micah. I'm trying to say who you're going to trade him. Who can you trade him for? Because if you trade him just for a draft pick, you don't get nothing to help you this year, and you need help this year. Time out. Rewind that. Rewind him right back. Now, you just got me excited. You just got me excited. I don't know how much money is left over. I don't know if they can manipulate the cap and make it happen. Is there any way, any scenario, that we can get Michael Parsons? No. You're going to have three guys making over$40 million on your roster?

1:01:52Hey, I like the way that sounds. I like the way I just – listen.

1:01:57Shannon Sharpe:You won't even pay Trey Hendricks. You won't even pay Trey Hendricks in$30 million, but you're going to give Michael Parsons$43,$44 million? Can I ask you a question? Yeah. How old is Trey Hendrickson? Ask Ash, how old is Trey? How old is Trey? 32? 30. How old is Michael Parsons? 25? He came out early, so he might be 26. 26? Now ask me that question again. Would they pay him 43? No. They wouldn't. They would. They would. I can ask right now. I can call I can call personnel right now on the phone. They're not paying. They're not there. First of all, they're not paying a fifty five million dollar quarterback a forty three forty five million dollar defensive player a forty one million dollar wide receiver and a thirty million dollar wide receiver.

1:02:50Shannon Sharpe:They're not having that. They're not paying that. Hold on. you know what they just Ocho y 'all just started spending money two years ago with Burrow think about all the great players that you guys have had that have left right I'm gonna call somebody upstairs it's hypothetical I'm gonna see what they say

1:03:22Damn, I like that. That's crazy.

1:03:31Shannon Sharpe:DJ Hill, Chris Jenkins. I don't know, Ocho. Damn. Y 'all might be in the same situation. Nah, I don't think so. Hey, I have a question. Would it be rude if I call Zach and ask that? That's rude, huh? You ask whatever you want to ask him. That's not offensive, right? It's just a regular question. Regulacration for what? To ask Zach Taylor if I call and ask. Is that rude? You can ask him whatever you want to, Ocho. We'll sit right here and watch. Wait. I don't know if the chat believes you calling him, but Ocho. Yeah, I'm texting. Look.

1:04:13Can you see that, Unc? I said, Coach, are you up? I want to make sure you're up. I don't want to call. It's 12 o 'clock. They play tomorrow. So, I don't know. It's 12-19. They playing in D.C. What's the time difference in D.C.?

1:04:35Shannon Sharpe:Dallas is on Central time. D.C. is on Eastern time. So, oh, it's 12-19. I call EB. You know EB, right? You know Eric Ball. No? Eric Ball played with the Bengals when you was playing with with David I think yeah but David Fulcher yeah DB no wait I think Eric Ball might have been a running back I think you probably know him when you see him he's been over there since I was there before I got there yeah Eric Ball yeah yeah part of player i forgot i don't know how to pronounce the what are you uh uh community like community relations guys yeah i think his his his oh he had a player person probably it might be some player engagement yeah probably something like that something like that something like that quiet confidence it's not what you see It's what you feel.

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