In short
Nightcap Hour episode where Unc (Shannon Sharpe) and Ocho (Chad Johnson/Ochocinco) react to a “Top 10 trash talkers” list, argue about who’s the best trash talker, and respond to comments from Cris Carter. They also discuss Ocho’s wide receiver “wide-out workout camp” and his philosophy on sharing route-running knowledge.
Guest backgrounds
No outside guests. Hosts are Shannon Sharpe (former NFL tight end, Hall of Famer) and Chad Ochocinco (former NFL wide receiver, Bengals ring of honor).
Key claims
Ocho says his trash talk is entertainment-focused and more impactful than others; he ranks himself #1 and claims he “lost money” due to trash talk. He argues receivers should share techniques rather than hoard secrets. He says he’s the “greatest run blocker” among receivers. He disputes Cris Carter’s critique that Chad couldn’t get open and that Chad’s Hall of Fame case is weak.
Notable examples
Ocho’s camp featured established receivers including Ja’Marr Chase, Tee Higgins, Jerry Jeudy, and Courtland Sutton, plus a detailed discussion on beating Patrick Surtain Jr. Trash talk list includes Steve Smith Sr., Richard Sherman, Deion Sanders, Phillip Rivers, T.O., Suggs, Ray Lewis, and Courtland Sutton. Cris Carter’s remarks are about Chad’s limited double-digit touchdown seasons and “couldn’t get open” moments.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOReconnecting and Anticipating NFL Season
0:00 to 0:34
The hosts discuss their recent time off and excitement for the upcoming NFL season.
“When you're moving like I do, you don't always get a lot of lead time.”
Reconnecting and Anticipating NFL Season
3:47 to 6:40
The hosts discuss their recent time off and excitement for the upcoming NFL season.
“Now, if you can't find it in any city or state near you, order it online.”
Ocho's Wide Receiver Workshop
6:40 to 9:17
Ocho shares insights on his recent wide receiver camp and its emotional impact.
“So, for you to just show up, that mean the world to me.”
The Importance of Mentorship in Sports
9:17 to 14:00
The discussion focuses on mentoring younger players and sharing knowledge in sports.
“So instead of you sharing it, you want to hoard it.”
Appreciating the Foundations of Football
14:00 to 15:00
Learn about the historical figures in football that shaped the game.
“I'm just talking about men in professional sport.”
Insights from Young Players
15:00 to 16:51
Discover the conversation among young NFL players about improving their game.
“But that was success because that was information they wouldn't have gotten had they not been there.”
Analyzing Pat Surtain's Skills
16:51 to 18:21
Explore the technical skills of defensive back Pat Surtain Jr.
“You look at him and there's no wasted motion.”
The Evolution of Blocking in Football
18:21 to 21:07
Understand the nuances and challenges of blocking in modern football.
“I know you love everything about coaching except coaching itself because you damn sure ain't going to put those.”
Top 10 NFL Trash Talkers
21:07 to 21:45
Examine the controversial ranking of the top 10 trash talkers in NFL history.
“oh cho put put pro football addict named the top 10 trash talkers in nfl history this list is bulljive because yours truly isn't on it.”
The Art of Trash Talking
21:45 to 23:41
Dive into the strategies and philosophies behind effective trash talking.
“On a losing team and I could fill a stadium with my trash talk alone.”
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Pets and Personal Life Insights
23:41 to 26:37
Hear personal stories and humor related to pets and life outside football.
“Oh I know that I know that Joker be how much you weigh by 160 That Teddy That ain't tell everybody my name is Thanos Well, he ain't gonna grow no more daddy.”
Final Thoughts on Sport and Life
26:37 to 28:00
Reflect on the broader lessons learned from sports and personal experiences.
Top 10 Trash Talkers Discussion
28:00 to 29:20
The hosts discuss the rankings of the top 10 trash talkers in sports.
“got that kind of time i ain't got that kind of time baby all right so the chop to uh top 10 trash talkers.”
Cam Newton's Trash Talk Insights
29:20 to 31:10
The hosts listen to and react to Cam Newton's thoughts on trash talking.
“When it comes to putting these nouns and verbs, you know what I'm saying, putting it together, it comes down to just being witty.”
Cam Newton's Trash Talk Insights
32:17 to 32:43
The hosts listen to and react to Cam Newton's thoughts on trash talking.
“a first-round pick in the Women's Pro Baseball League.”
Different Styles of Trash Talk
32:43 to 34:32
Ocho discusses his unique style of trash talking compared to others.
“Get your tickets now at womansprobaseballleague.com slash tickets.”
Ocho's Gaming Skills and Trash Talk
34:32 to 36:05
Ocho shares his confidence in gaming and trash talk skills compared to others.
Pool and Gaming Banter
36:05 to 37:47
The hosts engage in playful banter about pool and gaming skills.
“Like I told you, Cam and Dez Bryant, I love them fellas.”
Chris Carter's Comments on Ocho
37:47 to 39:38
The hosts discuss Chris Carter's remarks about Ocho's career performance.
“You green if you think you could beat me.”
Ocho's Response to Criticism
39:38 to 42:00
Ocho responds to the criticism from Chris Carter regarding his career.
“I think I scored double-digit touchdowns six times.”
Ocho Responds to Cris Carter
42:00 to 45:20
Ocho discusses his relationship with Cris Carter and reflects on their playing careers.
“Yeah, we we definitely don't talk about people to do what we do Never and you know, I don't talk about about nobody, you know, but you know Congratulations on everything.”
Comparing Quarterback Greatness
45:20 to 47:59
The hosts debate the greatness of Aaron Rodgers versus Patrick Mahomes based on their careers and achievements.
“That's something that a lot of people in this world lack.”
Ben Roethlisberger's Opinion
48:00 to 56:00
The conversation shifts to Ben Roethlisberger's comments about quarterbacks, leading to a deep dive into their stats and legacies.
“But if you look at Aaron Rodgers numbers in his prime, it's unbelievable.”
Discussing Top Quarterbacks and Their Impact
56:00 to 1:02:50
The hosts analyze the performance and rankings of top quarterbacks, focusing on their championships and stats.
“where he could elevate everybody else, now he needs help for him to elevate.”
Discussing Top Quarterbacks and Their Impact
1:03:18 to 1:03:51
The hosts analyze the performance and rankings of top quarterbacks, focusing on their championships and stats.
“Warning, this product is not a safe alternative to cigarettes.”
Discussing Top Quarterbacks and Their Impact
1:03:56 to 1:04:25
The hosts analyze the performance and rankings of top quarterbacks, focusing on their championships and stats.
“Hi, I'm Ashton Lansnow, a first-round pick in the Women's Pro Baseball League.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Shannon Sharpe:When you're moving like I do, you don't always get a lot of lead time. Trips come together fast for production shoots, brand appearances, or filming, and I've got to be ready to go. That's where Amazon Prime can make the difference. When something comes up, you can get what you need, like carry-on chargers, noise-canceling headphones, so you're ready to show up for it. With same-day delivery, those essentials can show up in time to still make it happen, so you can focus on the opportunity. That's what I like about Prime. It makes it easy to say yes when the moment shows up. Same day delivery, it's on Prime.
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2:12Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, we are back. Thank you ladies and gentlemen for being so patient with us While Ocho and I had some needed, much needed time off As we get ready to head back into the NFL season And jump back on this ground again Y 'all know who I am, I'm your favorite unk, Shannon Sharp My partner and co-host He did a lot more on his vacation than I did in mine But we both arrived back at the exact same time That is, you know, the rock runner extraordinaire The Bengals ring of fame monteree The pro bowler, the all pro that's Liberty City's own. That's Chad Ocho Seco Johnson. Ocho, what it do? What's up, baby?
2:51Hey, listen, I'm feeling good. I done gained about 10, 15 pounds. I had a great vacation. Yeah, yeah, I can see.
2:59Shannon Sharpe:I saw. I saw. Oh, yeah, yeah. I had me a good old time. I'm sure you did as well. Yeah, you know me. I went home, saw the kids, saw the grandkids, and I was back here, you know, just... I ain't much of a getaway type of person, man. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. But, you know, we'll get to that in just a second. Yeah. Guys, thank you. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And, guys, go subscribe to the Nightcap Podcast feed wherever you get your podcasts from. We want to thank each and every one of you that tuned in while Ocho and I were away, and we welcome you back with open arms.
3:34Shannon Sharpe:We understand that without you there can be no us, and we greatly, greatly appreciate your continued and loyal following. So it goes to our success, and we cannot thank you enough. Please make sure you check out Shea Bala-Portier. We have it in stock. Now, if you can't find it in any city or state near you, order it online. We will ship it directly to your door. But best believe, I'm about to hit the road. I think I'm going to be in Delaware. I think I'm going back to Atlanta, Baltimore. tomorrow so I'm about to hit the road for more bottle signings in the very very near future so stay tuned because I'm coming to a city and a state near you so please drink responsibly and stay safe make sure you go follow my media company page on all of its platforms Shea Shea Media and my clothing company 84 with that link being pinned in the chat supplies are limited and once they're gone they're gone as I said Ocho we are back now you know there might be some people that not not I'd be happy that we back, but we back and better than ever.
4:35Shannon Sharpe:And we can't wait. Hey, we ain't going to wait for a football season to start. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. You know, we do. We got to get back into our grind, Ocho, because you know come football season is five nights a week. So we get very limited time off. So it's like Sunday, it's Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Go ahead, Ocho. Hold on, you said five nights a week. Wait a minute, football season ain't nothing, but Monday, Thursday, and Saturday. I mean, Sunday. Man, you know we got college football on Saturday nights. Okay, okay. And then we have that bridge from Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday.
5:12Shannon Sharpe:Okay, okay. That's four days. No. Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, Thursday. Okay, okay. I'm glad you got very good accounts to keep your money straight for you. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Because you'll be giving up hundreds for fifties. But that's okay. That's what I feel for, to keep you on point. Ocho, let's jump right into it. Before we get into some topics, tell us about your wide-eye camp because there's like D-Lyman got a camp. The tight ends have what they call tight end U. And I think you started what you call wide receiver workshop wide-out workout camp last week. The clip of you being emotional and grateful to the guys that showed up.
5:53Shannon Sharpe:In that case, chat hasn't seen it yet. We're going to play this clip for you. Take a look at it. Y 'all know how much I love the game. You know how much I love y 'all. Right throughout the years, I've tweeted about every last one of y 'all, so you already know how I feel about you. And they brought the idea to me. I talked to some of y 'all boys yesterday, and I was scared to make that call because, ooh. Yes, sir. Let it out, man. That's what it's about. What's up? Let it out. You deserve it, man. You deserve it, man. That's why we got my man together. We can't believe it. We're all watching. We gotta come together, you feel me?
6:32Hey, it's a lot of pride and ego in a receiver position. Honestly, I thought some of the big boys and just any of y 'all, y 'all busy. I'm busy. You know how that be. So, for you to just show up, that mean the world to me. Like, I don't cry normally, and I really ain't really shame in front of y 'all. I swear to God, I appreciate your swear to God. and I look forward to what we do tomorrow. We're going to keep talking, talk about the game of football. I don't want to run you to death, but I want to get into what you need to work on to improve, you know, where you can get back to work and feel good about something new that you got and you stole from somebody else's game.
7:14You know, other than that, let's y 'all get out of this rain, man. Like, I seriously salute y 'all, man. Clap it out, y 'all. Clap it out, clap it out. Hey, hey, that was dope. That was a good feeling, a good feeling. a lot of people are probably watching with not great understanding about the love I have for the game. Not just the game in general, but the craft when it comes to that artwork, when it comes to playing a position of receiver and how much I embedded and love that artistry. And for those fellas to show up, for the big boys to actually show up for me, it meant a lot. It meant a lot.
7:51for one, for me to be so far removed from the game and to want to help those that are still playing, you know, and finding tweaks and things that they can improve on and add to their game. There's nothing that we have as a collective group, as receivers. We can all get together under one umbrella and talk about the game of football, talk about route running, and anything that comes along with that, ways to manipulate defenses, ways to give illusions that you run at full speed than when you're really not. Just little tricks in the trade of the craft in itself. And um, boy, they showed up. They showed up because I look at them as a fan.
8:32I don't look at them as Ocho that's already played. I look at them in awe. Like, I'm looking up to them and they try to get me to see, fool, you tripping. We look up to you because we still studying your stuff from way back then. But I don't view myself like that or in that light, which is why the emotion and the tears came from. Like, I can't believe it. They actually showed up. T. Higgins, Jamal Chase, Corle's son, Jerry. We talk about people that are already established in the league that ain't got their big paydays. They ain't got them. They don't have to come out here. They don't have to.
9:09But it's a testament. Forget them coming for me. a testament where they are with their game and wanting to improve and get better at their craft
9:17Shannon Sharpe:and what they do well you want to get better i mean if they have it i guarantee you if they have a convention uh and they invite the top 100 tech guys i guarantee they're going to show up because iron sharpens iron you know we got to get out of this illusion where i don't want to give away no secrets i don't want to give away no secrets and i'm trying to do this i keep this to myself what good is all this knowledge if you hoard it somebody had to you i don't care what any receiver tell you he did not learn or forget the position. He did not learn everything on his own. He got it from somewhere.
9:49Shannon Sharpe:Right. So instead of you sharing it, you want to hoard it. Now, what if somebody would have done that to you? What if somebody would have hoarded that information and teach you how to bend and how to dip? Yeah. Oh, or somebody teach you how to snatch pool. So now you get the information, but see, that's how we'll see a lot of times don't show. We'll get up now. We'll use a ladder to get up and once we get up We'll pull the ladder up to make sure don't nobody else get up there with ya. Yes, sir. Yes, sir Yes, sir. How many times have we seen that we see it a lot? I ain't gonna get political with you, but we see a lot of that a lot of people came through immigration Mm-hmm now they got over here Kick that ladder down.
10:29Shannon Sharpe:Are you getting up here? Oh? I'm here now. So with damn you and a lot of times athletes have that same mentality Somebody in partake, and maybe it wasn't publicly. Maybe it was a private setting. Now, someone gave you wisdom and knowledge and understanding. You want to pretend like you got that all on your own. When you're moving like I do, trips don't always come together weeks in advance. Sometimes production shoots, interviews, or something I've got to travel for on a short notice. like the time when I had the last minute trip to Denver and everything came together fast. Once it was locked in, I had to be ready to go.
11:11Shannon Sharpe:That's where Amazon Prime can make a difference. When something comes together quickly, you can get what you need like grooming essentials, neck pillows, eye masks, even snacks for the flights so you're ready to show up for it. With same day delivery, all those items show up on time and still make the trip so you can show up and focus on why you're there and not everything around it. Because at that point, it's not just about getting there. It's about making the most of the opportunity in front of you. That's what I like about Prime. It makes easy to say yes when the moment shows up. Same day delivery.
11:43Shannon Sharpe:It's on Prime. Available in select areas. Terms apply. Visit Amazon.com slash Prime to find millions of items delivered fast. To honor our country on its 250th birthday, This can of Copenhagen goes out to those defending the free American soil. But our tobacco has taken root in for over two centuries and counting. Here's to the calloused hands of freedom. Copenhagen, saluting American grit, proven since 1822. Warning, this product is not a safe alternative to cigarettes. Hey, sports fans, your away game road trip doesn't start at the kickoff. It starts on the road. Before heading to the game in Eugene, take a moment to enjoy the journey and explore Tualatin Valley, located just west of Portland and north of Eugene.
12:37Sip world-class Pinot Noir, soak in picturesque views, and craft a game day trip you'll talk about all season. Take the scenic route to Tualatin Valley and make every mile part of the game. Learn more at etvor.com slash fans. Hi, I'm Ashton Lansdowne, a first-round pick in the Women's Pro Baseball League. For years, players like me dreamed of this moment. They said we couldn't play baseball.
13:02Shannon Sharpe:So, we trained harder, played tougher, and never gave up on our dream of professional baseball. Now, the dream is here. This August, the Women's Pro Baseball League launches, featuring the best players in the world. A new era of baseball begins. Don't miss your chance to be a part of history. Get your tickets now at womensprobaseballleague.com slash tickets. What I like most, Ocho, because a lot of times these guys forget that there was somebody before them. And it seems like if it didn't happen in the internet age, it didn't happen. Right. Oh, man, I don't know about that guy. What I got, I got a hundred and something touchdowns.
13:38Shannon Sharpe:That guy have 15, 16, 17 ,000 yards. Oh, you thought they just started playing wide receiver like 30 years ago? Right. I like sometimes, sometimes, not all. There's no such thing as all or every. Guys forget. I'm not taking women out of this. You can talk about the WNBA. We'll talk about that at a later date and time. I'm just talking about men in professional sport. It's almost like we want to poo-poo. The one thing that I've never done is I've never forgotten the guys that laid the foundation. From the Mackies to the Dickers to the Aussies to the Winslow II to the Jackie Smith. guys like that Raymond Chester's.
14:16Shannon Sharpe:I know the history of that position. I know the history of the tight end position and of the NFL. So therefore, I'm greatly, greatly appreciative.
14:27Shannon Sharpe:But that was great. That was really great to see. I'm glad you got an opportunity to that. Hopefully, hopefully you can get sponsors like we see at tight end you. And it gets bigger and bigger and better and better year after year. So that's that kudos to you. Yeah, most definitely. taking time out of your busy schedule and say, you know what, guys, I want to bring you guys together and impartake some of the wisdom that I've been given over the course of the years. And maybe only one to two people got something out of what you said or what someone else said. But that was success because that was information they wouldn't have gotten had they not been there.
15:04Yeah, it was dope. And my favorite part of the two days that we had together was sitting there talking obviously to Jerry, I'm talking to all Elijah Moore, KJ Osborne, all them boys but the greatest conversation that I really enjoyed was me
15:22Uno obviously Jamar Chase Jerry Judy and Corlin Sutton and we had a 30 minute discussion I'm talking about a good 30 on ways to beat Pat Sertain Jr. Hey I swear for God the first thing they all say Judy he's so long he's so patient Chase say anything short you're not going to be able to run it and the conversation about Pat is a testament to him to how great he is and how good he is and of course I said what I could we went back and forth it was a great dialogue on that then they all talked about the other DBs that are very very difficult not as long but technically sound and savvy they talked about Denzel Ward on how difficult Chase talked about how difficult it is to go when you play him you got to be on your P's and Q's they talked about Stingley when you play Stingley you got to be on your P's and Q's obviously there are other great defensive backs in the NFL but the way those dudes praise Pat Sertain, Stingley and Denzel Ward man it was wonderful
16:33Shannon Sharpe:to help Pat who is his dad So his dad was a pro bowler. Yes, sir. So he had great. So the first thing I noticed about Pat Sertain when he got to Alabama, I say this for a freshman, this dude is technically sound. Like he should be in the league already. You look at him and there's no wasted motion. There ain't nothing. There ain't no, you know, he tried. Hey, boom. If you release inside, boom. Stabbing every time. Bam. Stabbing every time. I'm like, damn, he technically sound. Yeah, ain't no wasted motion. I mean, he get he but I'm a pal. And we ain't whatever. When I back foot plant, he driving.
17:14Yeah, every time.
17:15Shannon Sharpe:But as he talked about, we had him on no show. We have to want a defensive player of the year and we talked to him. Yes, they study. I'm looking at formations. I'm looking at splits. I'm looking at down and distance. I'm looking at area of the field. I'm also looking at, okay, the personnel all that. That's why you need. That's why you need to be smart as a football player, because you got to be able to process that in an instant. Instantly, yeah. He who hesitates in sports is beat. Yeah. It's a game of inches. And in the NFL, unless it's a blown coverage, you throw people open. And these guys in this league are good enough to throw a receiver open.
17:56Shannon Sharpe:So you can't waste motion because the really good receivers are not going to waste motion. Hey, all that drop in your arms. Hey, you telling the DB I'm about to stop. All that. I'm about to break. You telling the ball going the other way. And you might as well tell the, hey, dude, I'm about to run this out. Break on it. Yeah. Because that's what's going to happen. So it was great to see you in that environment, Ocho. I know you love everything about coaching except coaching itself because you damn sure ain't going to put those. You want to put that kind of hours in and be on time. my time to die no no no i want you to come out there and talk to him during the summer you you you're gonna be the coach yeah but listen i i can't coach in a structured environment but when it comes to talking the game of actually route running getting open understanding what's across from you and how to beat it now that i can do now that i can but you know what i noticed ocho huh what about the what about the run blocking i ain't see you do none of that oh hey i'm glad you said that i'm glad you said that now if you look if you if you look at my stats statistically This is one of the things that really aren't aren't shown statistically.
19:01I'm the greatest run blocker in the history of the NFL. Oh, Lord, that is not true. I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you. Now, when you think about blocking, everyone thinks about a physical specimen when it comes to playing receiver. Sometimes the indicator is just being who you are in general.
19:18Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. And all I got to do, sometimes I ain't got to touch nobody. I just run off and I take three people with me. Well, I think the thing is, you look at the West Coast, you look at West Coast offenses, those guys got to block, you're not getting the ball. You look at a guy like a Hines Ward who made his name in the league. Before he was able to end up catching 1 ,000 passes, he was known as a blocker. He was physical. I mean, Hines, he took pride. He's like, well, y 'all try to tear my head off when I got the ball in my arms. Now I get an opportunity to peel your cap. Right. I'm feeling it all the way back to the white wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute now you said Heinz was physical now that's not to take nothing away from me now I was a very physical blocker that's your game it's not my game but it was part I had it in my repertoire when I knew yeah it's a it's a tool that you didn't use so you know how people got a toolbox and they got all the tools in there and they only use the flat head or the Phillips head screwdriver they use the vice grips they use the monkey ridge and they use the adjustment ridge that's it but they got a hundred apparatuses in there but at the end of the day it's all about getting the job done yes uh whether you whether you got if you got force you push that corner and then come down on because they don't let you crack no more oh it's hard oh no it's the harder the heart of the block because you know you used to be able to push that push the corner and then see that safety creeping down there and come on down and crack them now they blind side block what they call it blind side block defense man yeah head on the swivel bro all you gotta do you just stand in the way fold your arms oh you gotta move because the pile will get you yeah oh yeah yeah yeah the pilot you gotta worry about that pile so you gotta keep your feet moving because you know hey we all done been rolled up on yep keep them feet ain't no damn fun oh cho put put pro football addict named the top 10 trash talkers in nfl history this list is bulljive because yours truly isn't on it.
21:22Shannon Sharpe:Number one, Chad Ochocinco. Number two, Smitty, Steve Smith Sr. Three, Richard Sherman. Number four, me. Number five, Deion. Number six, Phillip Rivers. Number seven, T.O. Number eight, Suggs. Number nine, Ray Lewis. Number ten, Courtland Sutton. I feel I should be number one, but... Whoa, whoa, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I know you feel you should be number one. I should. I know you feel you should be number one, but you have to understand you have to understand the art of trash talking Is me it represents me if the art of trash talking was in a dictionary There would be a picture of me you were great at trash talking.
21:59You were great at it You were good. Let me let me let me stay with me now You were great at it, but you have to understand I took it to levels never seen or done before Okay, there's a certain entertainment value to the trash talk that I provided I I was talking trash, right? Let me stay with me real quick. Just real quick. On a losing team and I could fill a stadium with my trash talk alone. So the seats, we sold out because they come to see what I'm going to do based off what I said. You see what I'm saying? You see where I'm going? Yeah, come on. Come on now. Stay with me now. So when I play away, they come in to see what he's going to do next based off what he said.
22:40Now the pressure was on me to be able to make sure I gave people they money's worth after I did all the talking. That's pressure in itself. So I'm not taking nothing away from you. You were great at what you did. But I just had a different aspect and different entertainment value to my trash talk.
22:57Shannon Sharpe:What clip do they show all the time? Call the National Guard? Me calling the National Guard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, Joe, you do realize I had a coach resign and a player got suspended because I was trash talking. Right, I got you. I got you. I got you. But you got to understand I lost money behind my entertainment and trash talking. I send gifts to my opponents in secondaries to elevate the level of trash talk. The bravado in which I brought to the game is a little different. Now you did hey listen you was phenomenal. You have to remember I did it in a losing effort in a losing atmosphere.
23:35Huh? Just to make it fun for those watching and those attending.
23:40Shannon Sharpe:I need to be was getting into it because you know ocho you realize like you don't talk as much when you mic'd up because before the simple fact is people gonna think oh he don't do that much talking he's just doing this because he mic'd up see the difference is right notice i never wore a mouthpiece i just had no one yeah i didn't wear a mouthpiece because i need to be able to converse with you throughout the entirety of the game yeah yeah and the problem is on this is the thing i'm not talking i think you talk steve smith talk trash to get the person angry yeah richard sherman talked trash to get the person angry cam newton i saw his little clip earlier about him being the best trash talker and said he gets people upset i'm not trying to get you upset i don't want you mad i want you happy i just need to see if you can engage with me and converse with me in the middle of a game i got you mentally you already beat i don't care what i don't care what you get you get mad you get happy at the end of the day right bro right titus tidy what's up what titus where you been at what what they do twin you supposed to be holding it down so who didn't show up for work that's what i need to know who didn't show up for work huh oh tidy look at my dog man my dog chilling man man where your brother say i got another brother here where you got another one yeah not his side oh no they eat too much ah but where we at uh man you ain't you ain't even let me see him hold on thanos wait you named him thanos yeah well god damn he that big where do you see him She'll bring Thanos.
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25:26Oh I know that I know that Joker be how much you weigh by 160
25:35Shannon Sharpe:That Teddy That ain't tell everybody my name is Thanos Well, he ain't gonna grow no more daddy. He maxed out. Oh, Joe What you got to give you got to give me a better name than that like peewee done He don't want to be no PC out big. He's out. Run stuff right here. He's a title to get a bone. I take it. I'm like that. What happened to Teddy Bear? Teddy Bear on the couch. How did they get along? Man, he'd be harassing Teddy Bear like something crazy. When I had the other one, I had baby. Right. Teddy Bear was a nuisance. Was a menace. Right. I mean, the other one couldn't get no piece. Right. Now, all he doing is repaying the favor.
26:18Okay. Okay. I got it. I got it. I got it. I like that. I like that. but how much I don't mean to be in your pocket but how much that was there no focus huh I don't mean to be in your pocket I'm just curious how much that was there you know you look look look something you know I can't tell you where I got it from because you know it'll been a tariff on it okay okay okay okay I understand I know I know that you really want to answer that question I'm still trying to I just want to know the numbers on it that's it
26:49Shannon Sharpe:little something you know you know a little treat myself I ain't bought myself nothing you know okay okay I still got the same the same range the same uh uh BMW so you know right you know what let me get myself something I ain't bought a watch I ain't bought no clothing and so you know right right right that was that was my uh that was my birthday gift that I got okay okay well but listen listen listen I'm listen I told you I told you I got a dude out of Liberty City right I got a dude liberty city gets you everything exotic from animals to dogs to pets to to i could have got you that i could have got you that for 200.
27:24now i'm just saying what's that a teacup right teacup
27:27Shannon Sharpe:pom pom no he regular size he's not i mean he's not gonna get much bigger than that right teacups i mean teacups they'd be like like three pounds okay have a lot of health issues he said he was four pounds though he four pounds he'll probably he'll probably top out at about six okay okay that's cool because i got my dog my dog in liberty city his name lonzo you need to get you a puppy you need to get you something to keep you grounded oh no no i can't do that i can't all my furniture white here i don't want no dogs running around here i ain't got no time for that everything everything in here is white you know you can you know you can train an animal right yeah i ain't got that kind of time i ain't got that kind of time baby all right so the chop to uh top 10 trash talkers.
28:06Shannon Sharpe:Ocho is number one. Smitty, number two. Sherm three. Myself is four. Time is five. Phillip Rivers, now I mean, think about it. A quarterback has made the list. Hey, he don't curse, but he funny, though. He be talking about it. God dog it. Hey, with that one, when you threw that touchdown against Jacksonville, and he screamed at the whole guy's ear. Hey, hey, hey, ref, tell him that story. Okay. I will scream in your ear. No, you won't. T.O. Suggs, Sugar, and Courtland Finnegan. Oh, yeah. That's a nice little list. It's a nice list. It is. I mean, sure. I'm sure some people will look at the list.
28:46They will disagree with the numerical order. Oh, I got one. John Randall. You got to have Johnny on. That's a good one. You got to have Johnny on. Johnny. We came out.
28:55Shannon Sharpe:We came out the same the same draft in 1990. Johnny was a people don't notice, but Johnny was a free agent. Johnny got drafted as a 235 defense 230. He was 230 at the defensive lineman. and turned himself into one of the great DTs that had a relentless motor. Yes, sir. Yeah, DT. He was nice. J was nice, bro. Apparently, Cam called us out to think he's a better trash talker. Let's listen to what Cam had to say. When it comes to putting these nouns and verbs, you know what I'm saying, putting it together, it comes down to just being witty. You dig what I'm saying? Is that the letter in you? Yeah, I'm trying to tell you, Peggy.
29:34Sometimes you got to point your toes east and west to let everybody know who's the actual best. And I had no disrespect to Uncle Shay and Chad, Chadwick Johnson.
29:53But they would have hated me because I'm going to get personal.
29:56Shannon Sharpe:You feel what I'm saying? You're going to do some research. Oh, yeah. We got to do that. I don't fight fair. Yeah. I don't talk fair. but it's some truth behind everything that I say and that's where I'm willing to go man I say something oh it's trying to make your kids hate me you see he's talking trash trying to get under someone's skin when you're moving like I do trips don't always come together weeks in advance sometimes production shoots, interviews or something I've got to travel for on a short notice like the time when I had the last minute trip to Denver and everything came together fast once it was locked in I had to be ready to go.
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33:16That was a token of your appreciation. exactly to let you know I'm thinking of you D 'Angelo I sent them boys in Atlanta I sent them gifts obviously we know what I did for the Steelers I had a sponsorship with Degree Deodorant I sent the Ravens secondary I sent in Degree Degree Deodorant as a gift because y 'all stink or you're going to be stinking when I'm done with you that's all fun and love and you know before game so that's it's his type of trash talking what i'm what i'm doing is completely do two different side sides of the spectrum but i respect what he did but he's nothing not even close we're not in the same stratosphere when it comes to talking trash
34:02Shannon Sharpe:because for me like i said i went to an hbcu come on that that's all you go to an hbcu i don't know who's out there listening that has been to an HBCU but if you can't Joan you can't you ain't gonna survive you can't survive you ain't gonna survive I mean I mean I'm a y 'all y 'all y 'all heard me going back and forth I'm talking about we just it this ain't no you know a I don't know who I'm gonna talk trash to in the game it all depends on who starts talking trash back or who started first right I'm gonna get it start you know I'm gonna say something and I'm gonna see I will keep going until I hey I'm gonna turn the door handle to see what which one's open because a lot of be locked don't you they ain't gonna say nothing to you right I will keep a everybody don't lock their doors at night right you know I'm saying if somebody run down on you because you know it used to be in the 70s and early 70s and 80s you can sleep with your door open let alone lock yeah but now people get crazy after dark you got to keep your hand on your thing so with that being said everybody locking the doors but not everybody somebody go forget oh yeah cuz they thought somebody else locked the door oh that's when i turn to handling and be gone on in yeah but cam look i i know you good i know you good at putting things together you know adverbs and and predicates and pronouns and adjectives
35:22Shannon Sharpe:oh no but when it comes when it comes way when it comes to lip sparring yeah i'm talking about joe what hey just hey just go yeah talk to him mom hey and and cam that's another thing you worried about who's the better trash talker yeah i need to be practicing madden that's what you need to be practicing madden because i'm still waiting on that smoke all that talking you're doing and matter of fact i got the new madden already i got madden 26. so you practice by the time so when he get it you're gonna be proficient at it matter of fact the funny thing about it is i am the best gamer i'm the best madden player in the world i have an advantage over everyone else because I'm a part of the production of the game in itself.
36:04So the fact that people think they can beat me, it's almost laughable. Like I told you, Cam and Dez Bryant, I love them fellas. They play for recreation. I play video games as a way of life. It's how I pay my bills. That's why I don't understand when they come at me talking about beating me in a video game. What you talking about? My life's getting cut off if I'm playing for bills. You think I'm going to miss my light bill and my mortgage because you think you're going to beat me in Mac?
36:32Shannon Sharpe:man well my life's getting cut off i ain't got you know i ain't got no got no central heating and cooling because if i got to play video games to pay bills you're gonna be in the dog jumping off no i mean the only thing i probably i probably can't even play oh i probably i mean i think i played like i used to play miss pac-man play josh or something like that but i was i mean we have no video i mean we could we could go to the arcades we get a couple of quarters right we go my sister would go wash clothes and they would have some video games or pool table something like that but i was nah nah shooting pool now oh you know how to shoot i beat efren reyes beat minnesota fast they call me slim willie musconi steve miserrat hey i don't know about that but you're gonna Finette Lee, Vivian.
37:28You got to show me. You got to show me. Best in the house, Ocho. You got to show me because pool is what I do. Huh? Pool is what I do. Listen, you know what they used to call me? I used to play at the pool hall, right? On 54th Street, right off of 12th Avenue. They used to call me Sugar Cane. My pool stick looked like sugar cane. it was green. Yeah. The pool stick was green. They called me sugar cane. You green if you think you could beat me.
37:59Shannon Sharpe:Man, you can't beat Slim. You can't beat Georgia Slim. Don't do it to yourself, please. You can't beat Georgia Slim. Who you think? I beat Fats. I beat Minnesota Fats. Um, come on now. Ask about me out here in the city, man. When it comes to, hey, listen. When it comes to the pool, pool table, when it comes to ping pong, that's what I do. When it comes to handball, that's what I do. I beat the ish out of you in table tennis. Come.
38:26Boy, listen, boy Boy, I told you They called me Sugarcane I had a green pool stick They called me Sugarcane I'm going to mess around and catch you one day
38:36Shannon Sharpe:I'm going to catch you one day somewhere They're going to have a pool table in there They're going to have a table tennis thing in there Oh, wait, wait, wait You ain't got to catch me nowhere I'll come where you at And we can go to a pool hall Because we got plenty of them
38:52I bet you got your own stick My stick right here Ocho I beat you with a broomstick I don't need no damn pool cue to beat you You ain't no real pool player Hey I'm a shark man They call me when somebody at the pool hall That think they good
39:12Shannon Sharpe:I let you win a couple of games To let you bet the money Then I come in there Nah come on man tighten up this is what I'm doing. Ocho, while we're away, there's some people that have some words for you. For me? Chris Carter has some words for Ocho last week. He said there were points. Oh, yep. He said there were points in Chad's career that you had to go out there and tell him what to do because he couldn't get open to save his life. He couldn't get open against average guys. Chad Johnson scored double-digit touchdowns one time in his 11 years. I think I scored double-digit touchdowns six times.
39:43Shannon Sharpe:Scoring the football is the number one play as a receiver. No, I was not a burner. I ran 4-6, 4-6-5, but can do it every single day. Can do it for four quarters and the consistent at it. Ocho? You know what that get? Child, please. What are we talking about? I don't know. I'm just trying to figure out. I have a question. Before you even go, what the hell is that matter what what what what what does it matter okay you scored double touchdowns okay cool you want a cookie right okay julio brought this on have you had a conversation have you had you have you had a conversation with cece no i don't you know i don't need to have a question so right i heard also he said well he only had double digit touchdowns one season so he's not a Hall of Famer.
40:40But does that mean Julio Jones is not a Hall of Famer either? Because Julio Jones only had double-digit touchdowns one season. You have dumbness sounds?
40:48Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Well, sometimes I listen to things, and everyone's situation is different. You know? Everyone's situation is different. Yeah. I mean, so stuff like that, I pay it no mind because everything is predicated off numbers and based on what they did, based on other people's situations were different. You know? obviously where I was I did the best I could with the cards I was dealt and I did one hell of a goddamn job I don't care I don't care about what you did I don't care about your numbers it don't make it don't make me none why is my name even being brought up that's what I was that's what I'm trying to figure out I don't know why it was brought up I don't because like I said Ocho me I don't really listen to anybody else's podcast I got enough thing to try to you know to try to make our podcast better than what it is and i got club shea shea so i'm trying to get gas and i'm going with the book it's like okay who do you think we should get blah blah blah so i don't really have time to pay attention um but it just kept popping up not only on on oh it kept popping up on twitter and then i saw it uh on the internet i'm like okay what brought this about i said did ocho say something about him or what what inspired for one you know i don't talk about people let's Yeah, we we definitely don't talk about people to do what we do Never and you know, I don't talk about about nobody, you know, but you know Congratulations on everything.
42:10He said a happy happy for you Chris Carter You double did the touchdowns and and your hall of fame and all that other good stuff. I love you I wish you content continued success and whatever it is you got going on baby. I know we doing over here, though I know I know I know I know I'm going I'm going that way
42:29Shannon Sharpe:Maybe he wanted you to respond I did respond I just said I love him No, but I'm saying I think maybe he wanted you to respond in a different way Nah, nah It goes back and forth I ain't got time for that First of all, you got kids I got kids I got grandkids I'm not finna go Look, what we did, we did He can't go back and score no more touchdowns. You can't go back and score no more touchdowns. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Who can't? I can't go back and score no more touchdowns. Who can't? We right here. Hey, hold on. I'm still scoring touchdowns right now. Oh, man. Yes, you're doing that. You're doing a great job, oh, man.
43:08I'm still scoring touchdowns in life. He told me I'm going to be played. I don't care about that. I'm scoring double-digit touchdowns right now. For sure. Come on, man. You're not hearing where I'm coming from.
43:21Shannon Sharpe:I hear what you're saying. I know. Come on, man. I know. But that's my thing is that sometimes we get caught up and talk about what we used to do. What you doing that? Talk to me. What you doing that? We were all great at once upon a time in our own right. Okay. You know, you did what you did. I think CC played 16 seasons. Wait, how many? How many you played? 16. How many I played? I don't know. Hell, you played. I think you played 11 or 12, didn't you? 11, how many, hey, I played 11, he played 16. How many, how many yards you got? I don't, man, look here. I'm just, I'm just asking. I'm just trying, I'm trying to get a better understanding.
44:05How many yards you got?
44:07Shannon Sharpe:I don't, uh, ask, ask, ask, ask, how many yards does a CC have?
44:17Shannon Sharpe:But, okay. the chat says CC snap because he was pissed at Ocho for saying that he could beat Travis in a one-on matchup 10 out of 10 times why is he worried about bro we just be joking when we say stuff man it ain't that serious he knew that he knew that because I do the same thing with everybody he just you do you just as long as the Ocho can you not challenge everybody that come on here who you everybody that come on here can get that work you hear me and Travis Hunter CC had a tick below 14 ,000 yards. He had 13 ,899 yards. So he played 15 season. 16, I think. 16. And he got, what, 13 ,000 yards?
44:57Shannon Sharpe:Almost 14 ,000. Okay. So he plays 15, 16. He only got 3 ,000 more yards than me and played five more seasons. I had 11? I guess, yeah. Okay, okay. I'm just trying to get a better understanding on why. Okay, cool. Anyway, but like I was saying, anybody that come on this show, I had the utmost confidence in my ability and being able to do any and everything. That's something that a lot of people in this world lack. Even if you feel you can't do it, you have to feel you can because everything starts up here in the mind. So everybody that comes over here, regardless of what sport they play or whatever it is that they do, I feel I can beat them.
45:34And if you feel you can beat me doing at what you do best, whatever it may be, you're going to have to show me. You're going to have to show me. Matter of fact, Chris Carter, I'll lock Chris Carter ass up right now. Talk about what he did. Man, you should. He's 60. Huh? He's 60. What that mean? He talking like he still got it. Get out here. Get on the field. Line it up. Put your cleats on. I'll lock your ass up too. Him and Travis Hunter.
46:02Shannon Sharpe:We got a pulse. That's what we got. So we breathe it. We walk it. We get up out of bed. We got our right mind. Blood running warm up our veins. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. See, this is the thing about it. one thing about the wide receiver camp the workshop that i just had is i'm not just talking i'm not just saying what it should look like i'm not there with my cleats and my shoes on what out there running full speed i still got it you hear me so it's one thing once you go back in that structured environment you know with the x's and o's and you have a receiver coach they actually never played you never really played the game they just know the game based on paper and what it should look like yeah like i'm not there running them routes with you I'm not only just I'm not telling you what it should look like I can actually display it and show you boy this is this is Picasso yeah I'll say this look um I've known CeCe a long time his brother and I used to hang when we into the uh the Super Bowls and stuff I would just say this CeCe know when the man joking he wasn't that serious now CeCe I love you baby but put them Cleese on putting police on I'm gonna show you double digit touchdown I put these two hands in your chest boy you won't catch shit Ben Roethlisberger felt compelled to recently weigh in on whether he'd have rather have Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes on his team well I would take Aaron in his prime over Patrick now I think Aaron Rodgers prime was one of the few to ever do it and so Patrick is at his prime Patrick Mahomes is just entering just entering out of his prime I think does Ben realize how utterly ridiculous he sounds yeah but obviously you know he's going to go with it with someone a little closer to him despite the success the early success in such in an early career that Patrick Mahomes has had obviously Ben knows how great Pat is but obviously Aaron Rodgers was special despite not being able to have the number of Super Bowls only having one.
48:01But if you look at Aaron Rodgers numbers in his prime, it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. Despite him not being able to win the big games consistently like Patrick Mahomes has done.
48:13Shannon Sharpe:So I thought that was the objective because people make it seem like Aaron Rodgers did not have good teams. Go back and look at the receivers that he had. Go back and look at the receivers that he had and go back and look at, do you believe the last three Super Bowls Aaron Rodgers could have got that receiving group to the Super Bowl considering he could only get to the Super Bowl one time with Jordy Nelson, with Greg Jennings, with Donald Driver, with James Jones, with Jermichael Friendly. So do you believe he could take that group that Patrick Mahomes took? He couldn't even get – that man couldn't beat Jimmy Garoppolo.
48:52Shannon Sharpe:But somehow he going to get to and he going to win the Super Bowl. Yeah. The MVPs are impressive. But, Chad, y 'all know I've been one of the biggest, one of the loudest Aaron Rodgers fans. He's phenomenal. He was phenomenal. But to base it on Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes in 21 postseason games is 17-4. Three Super Bowl wins. Aaron Rodgers in 22 postseason games is 12-10 with one Super Bowl win. Yeah. Now, look at the guys that he's lost to. Right. Tom Brady beat him twice. Joe Burrow beat him. And now Jalen Hurts beat him. Now go look at the guys that beat Aaron Rodgers in a playoff game.
49:46Shannon Sharpe:The matter of fact, the man got beat by Jimmy G. Twice. Hold on. Jimmy G had a nice squad around him now. He had a nice squad around him. And all Jimmy G had to do, Jimmy, don't mess it up. I tell you what Don't mess it up Give Patrick Mahomes that squad Okay, if I give Patrick Mahomes that squad You think Aaron Rodgers beating Patrick He gonna beat Patrick Mahomes with that squad? Because you say Jimmy G No, no, no You put Mahomes around any team Yes! Mahomes is one of the few quarterbacks You can put him on any team and it elevates everyone else around him Yes Elevates everyone else around him because he's just that good not only physically but he gonna beat you here too yes i mean bro he beat jay cutler jay cutler got hurt and got on the stationary back he thought he was at a tour de france so he didn't want to play football no more he just wanted to ride the stationary bike look i mean you beat who you beat to get to the super bowl right i look this has been roethlisberger's opinion but i vehemently disagree with this.
50:54Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Vehemently. And I think the thing is he's basing it on MVP. He's basically on MVP and Aaron Rogers has four. Yeah. But look at those great seasons that came out to be duds. See, the thing is, is that, Ocho, can you do, if you got a great offense, can you get done? Can you score a point when you need to?
51:19Shannon Sharpe:If you're a great defense, can you get a stop when you need to? Can you get off the field on third down can you get your offense the ball back can you not let them flip the field you got them backed up can you make them stay there and not flip the field get the ball to midfield and then put it and pin you down inside the five can you do that Aaron Rodgers has four regular season MVPs one Super Bowl a Super Bowl MVP Patrick Mahomes has two Super Bowl has two MVPs three Super Bowl MVPs he's been to five right and you're saying now let this sink in the man has already been to more super bowls has more regulars has more uh postseason wins has more post has more mvps and he's not even 30.
52:03yeah and i think it's more to it than that obviously we don't know what ben is indicating why he picked aaron rogers but also yeah i want people not to forget how special aaron rogers was as well he's and i'll get that he was as a quarterback oh he's as physically
52:19Shannon Sharpe:in general he and dam are talking about just pure thorns of the football and rogers dan marino take your pick but this is what he said ocho yeah i think aaron in his prime was one of the top few to ever do it and so patrick at his prime patrick mahomes is just entering out of his prime so you So in other words, he said Aaron was one of the top to do it, but Patrick isn't. Because what do you say? What do you say? He said, I think Aaron Rodgers in his prime was one of the top to ever do it. So by what his word says, if Patrick Mahomes is coming out of his prime, he wasn't one of the top to ever do it?
53:02Yeah.
53:02Shannon Sharpe:So from 23 to 39, he goes to five Super Bowls, wins three, three MVPs, two regular season MVPs, two 5 ,000-yard seasons, and a 50-touchdown season. But he ain't one of the top – who would not want the top few to ever do it. Now, Chad, do y 'all see how utterly ridiculous that sounds? Now, I hope we got this right. Let's just make sure we got this right. Double-check that. Well, I would take Aaron in his prime over Patrick. Now, I think Aaron Rodgers in his prime was one of the top few to ever do it. And so is Patrick at his prime. Patrick Mahomes is just entering out of his prime I think so he's like Patrick Mahomes is out of his prime now yeah I don't know but but obviously Ben being a quarterback that played with not with but against Aaron Rodgers I think that's where he's picking him instead of instead of yeah because I think I think Ben came in in 04 and I think Aaron came in in 05 so you know you see that's kind of like right right right right right right that's the error
54:12yeah i don't know about that one yeah teachers on yeah i was gonna say everyone everyone has a preference you know sometimes the goalposts move regardless of what the accolades and what someone has done there's always someone else that they like better regardless uh this is what patrick
54:31Shannon Sharpe:Mahomes trainer had to say to Ben. Not everybody quits working out at 30, Ben.
54:45He said that for real?
54:47Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Okay, that's my first time here. That's my first time here when the trainers talk trash. I like that. I like that. I think he commented because there was somebody, I think, in the Kansas City media Talked about Patrick Mahomes and talked about his body look like he eat pizza and stuff like that I want my quarterback to look just like Patrick Mahomes. I Want my quarterback to look with his shirt off look like Tom Brady like Peyton Manning That's what I want my quarterback to look like no muscle. I don't want no muscles, right? I don't want no muscles. I want to have because I wouldn't be able to twist I don't want him to just spray the strain and no oblique right right right I want all that all that muscle now the shoulder that Henry.
55:27So basically you want your quarterback to have a dad bod. Granddad
55:32Shannon Sharpe:is possible.
55:37Shannon Sharpe:You just skip over dad, granddad. I like it. I like it. Like I said, look, and that's not the takeaway from Aaron because like I said, Chad, y 'all know me. Y 'all saw me on the other show. I was and I still think Aaron Rodgers is phenomenal. Is he what What he once was? No. As we get older, as an athlete gets older, where he could elevate everybody else, now he needs help for him to elevate. Look at Tom. Right. Tom, he was not going to be able to get those Patriots because now he goes to Tampa, and he got Godwin, and he got Mike Evans, and he got Gronk to come back, and he got some other weapons, and he got a solid offensive line.
56:24Shannon Sharpe:And you see, but after that Super Bowl, you see Tom threw for what? 5 ,000 yards, but it didn't have the same oomph to it. Right. It didn't have the same like those like he threw for 300 yards, but the majority of time they were playing from behind. And so the 300 yards didn't have the same pizzazz. It didn't have the same impact. Right. Like I said, there's no denying Aaron Rodgers is a top quarterback. Wherever you want to place him, I don't think you can put him in top five because he didn't win enough championships to beat top five, especially when you're talking about Brady and you're talking about Manning and you're talking about Joe Montana and you're talking about Mahone, boy, just that alone, just that alone keeps him out.
57:09Shannon Sharpe:But I don't know if you can keep him out of the top ten because those four regular season MVPs, only Peyton Manning has more. The touchdown to interception ratio, I don't know how you keep him out of the top ten. I don't. I'm surprised that he didn't make the 75th anniversary team. Because, you know, they didn't want to load up in any one particular era. They can't say, well, let's take all the guys from the modern era, and then we leave guys like Johnny Unitas or Otto Graham or some of these other guys out. So, you know, look, Joe, Peyton, and Tom, those three were going. They're going to be on the 75th anniversary.
57:52Shannon Sharpe:and a risk for team. And then they took John, they took Marino. That's five. Off the top of my head, I can't remember. I think Johnny Unitas, I think he was there. I think Otto Graham was there at seven. Like I said, I don't really remember all of them, but I think they tried to get a mixture. They didn't want to load up and said, okay, we're just going to take the receivers from, because you got to take Don Hudson. Now you leave out Charlie Hennigan, Jerry and Randy. For me, I thought T.O. deserved to be on the 75th anniversary. I really did. Absolutely. We talk about top three, top two. You might not like his antics and say, okay, he killed a locker room.
58:31Shannon Sharpe:All I know is this. That man got the third or the fourth most touchdowns ever. Well, he got the third most touchdowns for a receiver. See, and that's the problem that I have. It's the people that have the power, that call the shots, that control everything on who's allowed to be on this list, who's allowed to be in that. That's why I don't like the politics that come with it. I don't like the politics that come with it. Why do you think I don my own jacket? Why do you think I don my own jacket? Because I understood how it works, and I'm not going to play that game. Because as far as I'm concerned, I'm one.
59:10It's one thing I don't like, and I'm going to just say this real quick. But one thing I don't like about former players that had great careers and they know they've had great careers and they have their numbers. I hate the almost begging in a sense to be a part of something that was created and you have to pander to want to be in it. It's like being an actor and knowing that you have great movies, that you've had a great career doing movies, but you never won an Oscar. That doesn't take away none of the work that you've already done that's set in stone. It doesn't.
59:43Shannon Sharpe:because you know what i look at it i look at like denzel denzel is one he won for glory supporting role and then he won a lead role for training day but if denzel didn't win any awards does that make me think that denzel isn't a great actor absolutely not yes because i saw him in in cry freedom playing bantu steven bico come on i saw him playing ruben hurricane i saw him in hurricane. I saw him play Malcolm X. I saw it with my own two eyes. Yes, sir. Hold on. I'm going to add to that. I saw him live in New York play Othello. Yes. And never forget a line. Yes. I think he was encouraged. Wasn't he encouraged under fire?
1:00:25Shannon Sharpe:With what's the guy name?
1:00:31Shannon Sharpe:The guy passed away recently. I mean, it is sad that he and his wife was dead for years. Gene Hackman. Gene Hackman. Okay, yeah, yeah. Gene, Gene. Wasn't that Courage on the Fry? I saw him in the Pelican Brief. Yeah. I saw him in
1:00:49Shannon Sharpe:Inside Man. I saw him. So even if he didn't win an award, I've seen enough of him to know what greatness is. Yeah, absolutely. And I just don't like the need for validation because they put Hall of Fame. Well, if you're not a part of this, then what you've done is not valid when that's just not the case for so many. It's okay. It's okay to have a great understanding, to be an actor, to be a football player, or to be an artist, to be a musician. You know, sometimes, as great as you are, they don't see you as that, and it's okay. it doesn't take away the fact from the body of work that you put in he was in Courage Under Fire what was that movie when he was at with Gene Hackman about the submarine Crimson Tide yes yes oh he played that role he played that he played it Denzel has unbelievable range yeah Crimson Tide I think was Crimson Tide with Gene Hackman Courage Under Fire think was meg ryan he was in another movie with uh and dakota fanning where uh proof of what was the proof of life what did a movie called proof of life i don't know that one
1:02:21Shannon Sharpe:saw him in all the equalizers i saw him in devil in blue dress harlem blues when he was bleak he was playing the trumpet Man on fire. That's what it was. You remember that, Ocho? Yes, Wapita. Man on fire. Wapita. Wapita. Mark Anthony. Any more wishes? I wish you had more time. Yeah. Classic. Strong hands built America and kept it running for 250 years. Strong hands also keep Copenhagen moving today. Here's to the bravery of linemen, the endurance of truckers, the skills of welders, the traditions upheld by farmers, and all American tradesmen sharing in our work ethic. Copenhagen, celebrating American craftsmanship.
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Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the top 10 NFL trash talkers of all time, Ocho responds to Cris Carter and his comments about his career and Big Ben says he’s taking Aaron Rodgers over Patrick Mahomes and much more!
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19:10 Top 10 Trash Talkers in NFL History
27:20 Cam calls Unc and Ocho out on trash talking
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58:30 Mahomes not a fan of extending NFL season
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