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25:21Shannon Sharpe:We got a very special guest joining us. We got Texans, all-world cornerback. Man, he had an unbelievable one-handed interception that really started to come back. They came back from 19 down in the fourth quarter to win the ballgame against the Jacksonville Jaguars, a division opponent. Here he is, a pro bowler, all pro three picks this season, including one against Trevor Lawrence. Here he is, Derek Stingley Jr. Sting, what's going on, bro? Nothing much, man. Have a good day. Man, thank you for joining us, man. We really, really appreciate it. Go ahead, Ocho. What's good? What's up? I'm always good.

26:02Okay, I like that energy. I like that energy. I see you in the offseason. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We got to run it. We got to run it. We got to run it.

26:10Shannon Sharpe:Bro, watching you play, and I think the thing is about any great corner, the one thing that they all have is patience. They ain't really biting that first move. Look, bro, all that head stuff. Let me ask you a question. What are you looking at? You looking at his breastplate? You looking at his hips? Because all this head doing all this and all that right there, and these hips still coming straight at me. So when you lock in and you're playing press coverage, what are you watching? I'm looking more at the mid-thigh, the back leg. Okay. Like I start low, so then when your eyes go up a little bit, I end up around the hips and try to stay in that range right there.

26:49Yeah.

26:50Shannon Sharpe:How did you learn to be patient? Because a lot of times, you know, these receivers are really good at round running, getting in and out of breaks. And I think the thing is that you can't be overreactive, always fighting the first move. Now, you know, sometimes they really are running a go. And sometimes they're going to run, you know, they're trying to run you off and do this comeback or do this dig or do this overall so so how are you playing i mean obviously you study tape you see formation you're like okay you think y 'all sleep y 'all think y 'all got a three by one you think you're gonna fool me with this split man get out of here yeah i mean it's really because i mean i'm also fast nobody i feel like people don't think that that i'm fast but like i don't they don't think you're fast huh but i i can run with pretty much anybody um so knowing that in my mind like you're not gonna to run away from me.

27:38So I can play like low hip most of the time. I can – if we get down the field, a quarterback, you know, all quarterbacks don't throw accurate deep passes. So, you know, I can look back at a certain time knowing that the ball sometimes will be underthrown or inside or something like that and then it's just going to make a play off of that.

28:01Shannon Sharpe:You know you ain't going to have much time to throw it. Y 'all got those two edge guys coming off the edge. So you like hey, I ain't gotta I ain't gotta go along and that's every snap like they They and it's not even just them like it's the whole like the interior like they They put you got rankings you got those guys. Yeah, they pushing out the middle and then you got the two on the outside And then they all rotate so like we got three people deep in every position on the D line so every snap but you you want you wanted a few obviously i i'm i'm an enthusiast when it comes to you know some of the better db just db play in general you know and and being able to watch all and and study a game and study how you guys play you have tremendous patience you have tremendous patience similar to to to like the real revis in a sense uh you're very good in bump and run watching film you can tell you watch film a lot and you understand the tendencies and and what's coming and what's not and your ball skills are second to none your ball skills are second to none because you're one of the few few dbs that when when the ball is in the air you actually look back for it and you don't panic most of the time you you already know most of the time everybody always panic once the ball in the air and what the first thing you do you pull your tug and you get a flag thrown but your ball skills man is elite you know i haven't had a chance to give you your flowers but um just now i got a chance to but you you wanted the best you know we talk about top two uh you you right up there so it depends on on who you who you like based on preferences you and brother p2 down in and yeah i appreciate you man i appreciate that yes sir hey d steam

29:40Chad Johnson:what's up bro hey tell me something uh what have you learned from you know your father your grandfather coaching and mentorship as you came into this league? What had they taught you growing up? Well, my dad, he coached in the Arena Football League for a long time. He played in the arena. And since I was a little kid, as far back as I can remember, I'm doing DB drills with his players and with full pads on as a little kid or or like running routes against his DGs as a little kid, like double moves or, you know, whatever. Like that. So being in that type of environment, it kind of taught me for one, like the brotherhood that goes along with a football team.

30:30Because one, they was, I guess you could say like they was those older figures that I saw as like superstars. It was just like a family environment. Right. And so that taught me brotherhood. And then seeing them go out there and play together, knowing that they was close off the field, whether that was dealing with me or doing their own thing or whatever. and then for my dad and then adding on to that my dad he taught me how to deal with energy levels on the field so big talker he tried to get your head

31:18Shannon Sharpe:stained he'll talk and he'll do all that but me personally if I make a good play like you probably won't see me do anything like like whether if it's like pbu or something like that like i'll just walk off because for one i'd be tired so like i don't have to do that and then like um and some if something is too bad then you know like it's on to the next play and i feel like as a defensive player um like that's that's just how you got to live life and well and it's really like that for offense too like like a receiver tight end like like you drop the ball like drop You got to move on to the next place.

31:57You can't think about it because then you start thinking about catching the football, you're going to keep on dropping the rest of it. You know, like stuff like that, like just regulating emotions and, you know, still playing with a passion and being fierce with it. But everybody don't need to know that. Like, like you, if you want to try to play me on the field, I just show you by just playing the game. Like, I don't need, I don't need to talk because I don't know how to talk.

32:23Shannon Sharpe:Oh, you don't talk? You said what? I said you don't talk to you. So if somebody started yapping, oh yeah. Oh, I'm about to get this one today. I'm about to get me a hundred today. Got to get me about a couple of tubs on me. I'll probably just look, well, cause I don't know how to talk trash talk. So like I'll just look and I'll either laugh or I'll just be like, okay. Like, all right. Like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Uncle Joe, I'ma get it out of him. Oh yeah. I'ma get it out of him. I'm walking by just like this here, Ocho. He like, man, what you doing? So you about to smell the deodorant. Talk now.

32:55Shannon Sharpe:That's what I'm doing. That's what I'm doing. Don't worry about it. Hey, hey, hey, D.C. Telling y 'all, look, that's going to motivate him. He ain't got to say nothing. Yeah, but he's going to be like, okay. Right.

33:05Chad Johnson:It's a quiet confidence, bro. I don't really know. Like, it's not. It doesn't matter who it is. Like, Ocho said. Like, I know you say that you'll be able to get me to talk on the field, but I honestly would look at you crazy, and you're going to be like, what? Like, is something wrong with him? Like, why is he not talking? No, no, no, no, no. Nah, nah, I'ma give that work. Listen, I'm not gonna talk on the field. I'ma talk during the play. I'ma talk during the route. Like, I'm different, Sting. Like, I'm different. Gotta let him know, don't you?

33:33Shannon Sharpe:We gotta let you know, Sting. Hey, the whole time. We got two quiet dudes versus two talkers. Hey, Sting, Sting, I'm Sting. That first down, Sting, that first down on you. First down! Hey, Sting, hey, um, hey, um, you know what they hit you with? Hey, every time I catch a ball, let me hit you with they own thing. Yeah? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't. Hey, hey, Ocho. That don't affect. I don't do that. So that don't affect me. No. Yeah, you're right. You're right. That's what I'm saying. Like, you don't. My mind is like, this is a feel. Like, just, I don't know, cage or whatever. Yeah. Oh, but I tell you what y 'all do, dude.

34:12Shannon Sharpe:You let, when you got the interception, y 'all ran to the end zone. So I give me a touchdown, I'm calling on my teammates. Come on. Let go to the end zone. Let go. Ocho, let go. Look. Yeah. Hey, Sting. Hey, Sting. You know who Sting reminds me of too, Unk? And that's the way he carries himself. And he's always, always even keel, no matter what. It's really hard to get him out of character. Andre Johnson. Yeah. Exactly the same. Don't talk like – Yeah, Dre don't say nothing. No, at all. At all. Sting, let me ask you a question. Who do you kind of pattern your game out there? Because, I mean, like you kind of built like Revis, but, I mean, there's Charles Wilson, there's Rod Wilson, there's Time, there's Revis, there's Darryl Green, there's O 'Neal's Williams.

34:52Shannon Sharpe:There have been a lot of great corners like so did you study film when you watch it like okay? This is the direction I'm going in and I think this is what I'm gonna be at in college Is what I'm gonna be at the next level who do you kind of pattern your game after other? Is there any similarities that you see between yourself and anybody that I mentioned maybe somebody I do Yeah, nobody that you mentioned but I've always it's always been Tim Bailey for me. Oh Okay, he's always the you know, he get the ball. He's locked down He he's interchangeable if you need to go play somewhere else like in different positions he can do it like just because he know the know the defenses or no football yeah he's always been anywhere number 24 like that yeah that's he's always been the first guy so you like you like because i i measure corners and then there's not a knock on the corner that don't but i like to see you get frequent flying miles i like to see you travel travel i mean if you got a bad dude and he normally he's the x i'm going to do that if he's the z i'm following there if he in the slot i'm I'm going to follow him there.

35:50Shannon Sharpe:If he in the backfield, I'm lining up like a linebacker. Wherever you go, just know I'm going to be there. I mean, and that's a part of it. Like, that's a mindset. Like, I just want to cover the best. Like, if you're allowed to do it, you're allowed to do it. If you're not allowed to do it, then, you know, the people that aren't allowed to do it, I guarantee they wish that they can do it. Like, so that's something that you can't knock somebody for. I don't. No, no, no, no. Some people just like they got their defenses and you play left, he played right, whatever the case. And that's how it was with Revis and Crow.

36:24Shannon Sharpe:Normally Revis and Crow, they stayed on one side, Ree stayed on the other side. And so wherever you went, Sherman, and when they were in Seattle, he was on one side and Brandon Brown was on the other side. So let me ask you a question. You got the big contract and you know what comes along with big contracts. Even more expectations. You've gone to the Pro Bowl. You've been an all-pro. What are the expectations that sting puts on himself down the outside pressure what you put on yourself? Oh We're really on myself like it's more about like By technique like it's sometimes like like well, we kind of mentioned earlier.

37:02Oh Patience was talking about patience, right? So sometimes Well, and then you also say like like kind of falling for the first move or wanting to react to the first move Like, yes, like people know I'm a patient defensive back at the line of scrimmage. So I'll get harder moves, like first steps, thinking that, okay, yeah, they're going. Like, you know, it's just a game within a game. Yeah. So I'm part of myself, like trying to make sure that I'm sticking true to who I am and controlling the game myself, not being reactive, but like, you know, like controlling the game. And then another thing is, like, yeah, I got all the picks, the ball skills, whatever with the rule.

37:46But I've said this before. Like, last year I had however many I had, like, interceptions. I could have had double that. Same thing for right now. I got however many I have right now. I should have double that. And those are the type of things that bug me because I know my pops is sitting in the stands somewhere just, like, mad at me, like, frowning or something. and I can feel them just being mad at me. But I'm also mad too. Those are the main things for me because I know how to catch a football. Why am I not catching the pass on this or that? Why is this person getting an inch of separation when they're not supposed to?

38:31Stuff like that. I feel like that's normal football stuff. whatever.

38:38Shannon Sharpe:Let me ask you this. Do you think we're going to see somebody, Dick Night Train Lane, his rookie season, he had 14 picks. I think in 1980, Lester Hayes had 13 picks. And we haven't seen anybody. We've seen a 10. You saw, we just saw... Diggs had 11. D, D, Trayvon, he had 10. And we've seen a lot of 10. Champ Bailey one year had 10. But we really haven't seen somebody get that 12-13 to really challenge that 14. We do have an extra game now. And I think Trey got here if they was having 12 games, if I'm not mistaken. I think it was 12 games. Knight Trey? Who? Diggs? Diggs had 11. Do you think we'll see somebody ever get 15 picks in a season?

39:22Shannon Sharpe:15? I mean, you could You could Let's say, what's his name? Some Paul. He played for Washington for D.A. Yeah, he had four in one game. So I feel like if somebody or this was either last year or two years ago, Darius Slate going against Justin Jefferson. I think he had two. I think he had two, but he could have had six that game. So those type of games where you just catch all the ones you're supposed to catch and then just play your normal game. Like, you know, you get one every nine then or whatever, then I think it's possible. But if you don't. I think it's probably going to come from a safety, somebody that's roaming.

40:12Shannon Sharpe:But you're right because normally they target it. But once you start catching them, they start going away from them. Yeah, but, you know, you're covering the best receiver. Like, they got to throw them off. Oh, they're going to feed him now. But then they're going to start stacking him, start running you off picks and everything. doing all that other stuff, trying to run a bunch of shallow crawls. Then they're going to whip you. They're going to start him in hard, do Zorro, do everything to try to get you off his tail. Still opportunities, though, regardless of whether they try to hide the receiver or not.

40:46If you're on them, you own them. So that's the opportunity right there.

40:52Shannon Sharpe:Right now, look, we know they only take seven teams to the playoffs. Right now, you guys are four and five, and you're third in your own division. You lost a couple of games that you're looking at. I mean, I'm sure when you went back and watched the film, like that team shouldn't have beat us. That team should not have beat us. What are you guys going to do? You're 4-9, 4-5 with eight games to play. What do you guys need to do to position yourself to make sure if you're not challenging for the division, you get one of those remaining three playoff spots? Well, I mean, you know, going into every week, you wash away the week before and you don't look past the week that you're on.

41:31But one of the things that my position, Coach Dino, he always says just do your job. Take care of what you got to take care of and then don't go out there chasing plays. Don't go out there just doing your own thing. Just do what you're supposed to do. And then if everybody do that, then the result will be what you would want it to be. So I think everybody just got to do that. And that's with every sport, that's with every job, that's with life, that's with everything. Just do what you're supposed to do and, you know, the results still come.

42:10Shannon Sharpe:Well, you're going to get some opportunities to get some picks. You got the Titans coming up. You got Calvin Ridley. Buffalo, they got a bunch of guys. And then the Colts, they got Pearson Pittman Jr. And then you got the Chiefs. You got Worthy. And you got Rasheed Rice. And you got Juju. So you're going to get some. And then you got the Cardinals, Marvin Harrison Jr. the Chargers got what they got so you got some opportunities so I'm expecting we have this conversation again in about about eight weeks I would be looking like okay I mean last I talked to you had three we talked to you easy yeah yeah I mean you know it is what it is now it is what I did I did sick I'd be six or

42:52Chad Johnson:seven I mean hey hey these things they locked in don't let them don't let them trying to hang you out here trying to jump on anything. Yeah. They locked in, bro. Hey, Stinger, I got one more question. I got one more question. You know, a lot of times, especially when a player is active, you know, they're in their prime, they're playing extremely well, and they play DB. They never get an opportunity to give receivers their flowers or receivers that really not saying beat them, but you got to really be on your A game. You got to dot your eyes and cross your T's when you're playing against a certain person that really have you out there thinking, you know, you got to bring your A game.

43:26Is there anybody that comes to mind for you since you've been in the league where you just know, okay, when I'm playing so-and-so, I got to be on the league? Oh, well, yeah. Since I've been there, yeah. Yeah. Actually, it's a lot of people. Because we're in the NFL. Like, everybody's.

43:43Chad Johnson:Right, right. But I've always said Garrett Wilson with the Jets. Like, I remember the first time I went against him, we was at some high school camp. it was an opening or something like that Ryan Clark was actually my coach yeah he ran like a slant rock whatever it was and I'm playing like a deep third or something and the ball is thrown so high and I'm like 20 yards behind like 15-20 yards behind him I'm thinking the ball coming right to me like he jumps up so high He jumps up so high, catches the ball, just runs. I'm just looking at you. Like, yeah, that's good. But since I've been in the league, like, yeah, going against him, I think I played against him like twice already.

44:34And he, I mean, he's nice. Like, he's nice. But it's a lot of people. It's so many people I can't even. Devontae Adams always. Yeah. Tyreek. Mike Evans. Nobody talk about Mike Evans for some strange reason. Like, he's Mike Evans. Like, I don't know. But it's a lot of people. I can't think of everybody, but yeah.

45:00Shannon Sharpe:Right. Derek, you and your dad, Derek Senior, run Cover One Elite. Tell us about that. What is Cover One Elite? So it's really just like a DB camp, like a couple years. Well, we went to Hawaii for a couple years, get some people like all throughout the league. Whether it's people I played like in college with or just know like throughout the league um so they'll go down there last year we had in puerto rico um actually we was just talking about it like maybe we can get this in greece next year like you know like just going just doing what about safety y 'all invite y 'all invite to see them you're on safety hey look it don't matter if you want to come you just know you're work but damn y 'all working on a granddaddy damn i'm a brandy if you want to call you you gonna have to work like it ain't like you ain't getting a free trip like come on oh damn i thought i was gonna be able to go to mykonos or santerino you know get some olive oil ocho some cheese damn look you can work all right so the way the way it's set up is we we normally go out there for like I think it's like five days or something or six days oh The first day travel day next day work day do you're off the next day?

46:19Then you got another work day off the next so you know you can do whatever

46:26Your business is your business

46:33Shannon Sharpe:You don't think I they call me graveyard cuz when I leave the field it bodies everywhere All I want you to do is funnel it to me. Hey, Sting, just funnel it to me. Don't even worry about that slam. I got that. It's all good. I got that slam. We got safety. We got a lot. I'll put that suit bonus out of here. We bring like four linebackers or two to four linebackers, safeties. It's everybody. So come on. I like that. I like some sun. Sting, you got to look. You got to look. You was on that 2019 National Championship team. That great team. Probably the greatest team. one of the greatest teams ever assembled in college, arguably one of the greatest – you can make a case it's the greatest offensive team, but what you guys were able to do, you, Joe Burrow was the quarterback, and Jetta and Chase and Marshall and Thad Maltz and Clyde Edwards-Aleary and all those great offensive linemen, the DBs like yourself.

47:27Shannon Sharpe:They fired Brian Kelly. How do you guys get back to something similar to that where LSU, their alums and everybody in boosters are proud to show up to death valley no we couldn't somebody ask tonight well honestly i mean it's it really just come down to whoever they bring in whoever it doesn't it doesn't matter who they bring in like as long as the the players like they really buy in to being at lsu like you know you can you can go to a certain school you can you can be from here and be from there but once you get to where you're at like You got to know what the goal is and mind. Like, yeah, you're at this university.

48:09Yeah, you're doing all this and that. But the goal should be to get to the next level. So once everybody come get in tune with that and really break down, like, how can we be great? Like, that's what it's going to take. So I don't think it matters, like, who it is or what it takes from the – I'm just saying from a coaching standpoint, like, that doesn't matter. The players buying into themselves first, and then the coach just adding on to that.

48:42Shannon Sharpe:Because you got great facilities, tremendous fan base, stadium is electric, Death Valley at night. There's nothing like playing in Death Valley at night. Man, that's Derek Stingley Jr., the great all-pro cornerback from Houston, Texas. D-Sting, thanks for some time tonight. I appreciate that. Continue success. Stay healthy. Look, when we talk to you in January, I'm going to be looking at the stats because I know you got three now. I'm like, okay, hey, Ocho, we got to call him back up. You done got seven. Yeah. I appreciate y 'all, though, man. Appreciate you, man. Congratulations on all the success.

49:15Shannon Sharpe:Continued success. We'll see you down the road, bro. All right, bro. All right, bro. Derek Stingley Jr., ladies and gentlemen.

49:26Shannon Sharpe:Eagle fans. Every time we say something about the Eagles, we mention A.J. Brown, y 'all making it up. You just want clicks. Ocho, you need to push back against them. A.J. Brown again expressed his unhappiness with the Eagles, this time while live streaming playing Madding. Yeah. Ocho? Yeah. Hello. He made his rounds today on social media. A.J. Brown doubled down. We normally don't show a full two-minute videos, but here we are. It's not just totally about my situation. I mean, guys, like, obviously I want to win too, you know, and I think if we're really focusing on winning and doing our job, like, we can't just keep slapping the Band-Aid over the defense doing their job and getting us out of trouble.

50:15At what point are we going to pick up our slack as an offense that we're so great, you know, and that's what I'm getting at. It's not about we're not winning or I don't care about winning. all i care about is steps no it's been week after week sometimes we're not contributing we're not doing our job on offense so you can't just keep slapping the band-aid over there and you expect to win late late in the year you think you're gonna go to it at the end of the year it's not gonna happen i'm sorry it's not gonna happen it's not gonna happen you know last year what it was thank you for the ring but it's a new season they adapted we have to adapt and we have to continue to like get better and try to find new ways so that's that's where the frustration comes in because it's not about winning, you guys.

50:54Like, I want to win. Yes. I want to help contribute as well. Do our thing on offense as well. I think that's fair. Sorry. Go ahead. Do you feel like you're misunderstood in that? I don't care if I'm misunderstood. Like, I stand up in front of it and fall on that sword over and over again. Like, it's about doing what we're supposed to be doing on offense. And if we are really in this business, we're trying to get better, we got to do what we got to do. And not just say, oh, it's about winning. So as long as we got the win, it's cool. No, that ain't what we do. No, you cannot do that. Not in this league.

51:26We got to continue to get better. We got to do what we have to do on our offense to help the defense, to help the special team. Because after the game, I said all the right answers. I still made a story. You know, in that moment where I'm just talking to my friend, having a phone with my friend, I'm not apologizing for that. Like I said, because if you have eyes, you can see that. And so it's not that I was throwing anybody on the bus. I'm literally trying to laugh through this shit. This shit is dope. But I'm trying to make fun of the situation and to try to get through it. So, I mean, you know, it is what it is.

52:03Shannon Sharpe:Eagle fans, now, as loud as you was talking about all you try to do is get clicks, all you try to do is get likes, Ocho not pushing back. Eagle fans, at any point in time, y 'all want to jump in the chat and say, oh, we were wrong because the man told you himself. Now, I want to know one thing. Y 'all still BV gonna be there next year? No, no, no, no, no. Listen, listen. I said it a long time ago. Now, there is no pushback, but I understand exactly how A.J. Brown feels. You look at him, you look at his body language. He's upset. He's very upset. And I like what he said. I like one of the key words he said, we have to adapt.

52:38We have to evolve. Yes. Like the wins is one thing, but thank you for the ring, but in order for us to get back, everybody's caught on with us. There's film out there. There's film out there. There's a reason why they don't look the same offensively, but they are getting the wins. They're getting the wins, but for us to continue to have that success, we're going to have to evolve as an offense. We're going to have to adapt to the fact that teams know what to look for. We're the Super Bowl champs, and they're playing us a little different now. They're playing us a little different. So we have to evolve as an offense, and it just hasn't happened, and it's probably going to bite you in the ass on the back end.

53:14Not right now. Not right now because you're squeezing wins out, but when it gets to the playoffs when you're playing better teams it's gonna be it's gonna be different with it not allowing saquon barkley to run what do you have to do jayden hurts is very capable he's very capable of being able to throw the ball you know so i mean it's i i understand his frustrations and it's coming to a head huh it's coming to it's like having it's like hey hey joe it's like having a pimple that day that thing ready to pop hey look oh joe y 'all know

53:45Chad Johnson:It's different, man, when you got that bullseye on your back, bro. You know what I mean? Hey, look, you're getting everybody's best game. You know what I mean? They not playing when they come in there and play Philly, bro. I'm talking about everybody that died of their eyes and crossed their team. They know everything that's going to happen. They're not going to be playing. So you're going to get everybody's best game, and that's the hardest thing. So I understand what he's saying, but he definitely got to know that, man, they got the biggest target on their back. They the champs, bro. This is what comes with it.

54:14Shannon Sharpe:you're the measuring stick. Yeah. Because you go to everybody. Guess what? No matter where you play home or away, you're the Super Bowl champs. Yeah. So what is everybody saying, Ocho? They're measuring themselves to you. They do against you. Yeah. So they beat you. What are they saying? See, I told you. That is the defending Super Bowl champs. Look at all those great players. And we kicked their ass today. There's no reason there's not a team in this league that we can't beat. When we lock in, when we focus, and we play our type of game. Yeah. AJ's absolutely right. I'm not saying AJ is wrong.

54:48Shannon Sharpe:My thing is, is that, and Nick Serrano says, well, I'm kind of getting tired of talking about it. And he is. It's not going away until the offense starts to look better and AJ Brown is involved. Yeah. So you can get tired of talking about it, but until this offense starts to look like it did, Ocho, the last half of last year and in the postseason, Yes, sir. It ain't going away. And, you know, the one thing about it is things might change. They might change for the good, or they might change for the bad. I mean, the fact that someone's bringing it to their attention, because we can all see it from the outside looking in.

55:24We can see it from the outside looking in, and we're not really saying anything, and we're looking at A.J. Brown crazy because they're winning the games.

55:30Chad Johnson:Yeah. Because they're winning the games. But as the season continues to progress, as you get closer to, which I consider, real football doesn't start until after Thanksgiving. that that that's what that's when it's time to get going that's when when when teams start to click and you want that momentum to carry into the playoffs i'm hoping things change for the better because i want aj brown to have success i want the eagles to have success and of course i want jaylen brown to continue to silence all his doubters jaylen i'm sorry i'm jaylen her so well think about basketball yeah jaylen her to continue to silence all his doubters so i mean i understand his frustrations i've been there as a receiver obviously never been on the team of this magnitude that is coming off a Super Bowl win championship for that matter.

56:14But I do understand the frustration of wanting to be a part, an intricate part of the offense. You know, I'm not asking for the ball 30, 35 times a game, but just make me feel like you want me, you know? Make me feel like you want me. So, I mean, that's pretty much it. So I get his frustrations. But I can compartmentalize in a sense, and as fans not really understanding, y 'all winning. Y 'all are winning. How are you fussing when y 'all are winning? and I understand.

56:41Shannon Sharpe:That was my only thing, Ocho. Like I said, Ocho, I'm not saying that he's wrong. I'm saying it's going to be hard to get fans to empathize with you when you're winning the game because then they look at it like, you don't really care about winning. You care more about your stats. So this is what I'm saying as a fan. So if you would care more that you had nine for 140 and two touchdowns and you lost as opposed to having five for 53, it's like, no. And my only thing was, I said, when you make it public like this, you're going to get a lot of pushback. Because at the end of the day, the job is to win the game.

57:16Shannon Sharpe:So if he had went up and talked to J. Hurts about it, if he had talked to Sarian and Petula about it and just kept it behind closed doors, at some point in time, Mocho, like you said. Hey, he probably did that already, man. I'm sure he has. He probably did it. This started last year. For sure. You saw him reading the book. So the fact that nothing has changed, you know, now it's gotten to this point because, well, shit, but maybe y 'all ain't hearing me. Maybe y 'all not understanding where I'm coming from and me wanting to contribute to what we're doing when it comes to some of those wins that we're getting where I'm just, I'm out here like a goddamn Christmas ornament.

57:58So basically you're telling me I'm decoration. So I see both sides. I also understand the business side of things too, Joe. and now when we talk about oh we still winning and i got this 33 million dollar salary and and

58:11Shannon Sharpe:that not come out 33 million dollar receivers don't don't catch 50 passes hey and you know that game they play now i absolutely know that game they play i didn't want to play a different game well you don't have to you're not contributing the way you used to where it seemed like you lost a step because your number's not what they used to be because your production is falling well you told me it was about wins so now you don't want to pay me what Japan, you want me to take a pay cut because my production ain't right. Ocho, it's about wins publicly. It's about production privately. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

58:43I know that. The fans don't understand that, which is why that's where the frustration comes from, from a player that's active because you already know what they finna do.

58:53Shannon Sharpe:Absolutely, absolutely know.

58:55Chad Johnson:He said he tired of running and winning sprints.

58:57Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, AJ said, I'm in shape. I don't need to do no cardio on Sunday. I done did cardio Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. I'm good. Like I said, when this first bro stuff and looking at his body language, my thing is, look, I don't know it all, but having played the game and been around guys, the body language tell you, you hear him talking. He's telling you without actually coming out and trying to say it. But he's like, I'm giving you a hint. it sounds like it sounds like AJ is unhappy with his role in this offense but y 'all want to make it seem like it's about clicks and light I'm just basing it on my intimate knowledge having played the game having been around guys and I know the mindset of guys like an AJ Brown he's a humble guy but he worked his ass off and he's like let me you gave me this money for a reason now you got people think I'm out here tricking it off because my numbers is not reflective of the type of salary that you're paying me.

1:00:04Shannon Sharpe:It's because y 'all not doing what you're supposed to be doing. The Eagles are still going three and out more often than any offense in the NFL since 2014.

1:00:18Chad Johnson:And they still winning?

1:00:19Shannon Sharpe:And they still winning. Because the defense, look, the thing is, is that the mark of a good offense won't show is what? Can you get done what you need to get done when you have to? When it matters most, yeah. So, Joe, when they need a third and five, they get it. When they need that fourth and one, and they get that tush push, when they got two guys in front of the center that's on the other side of the ball before the center snapped the ball, they get it. Their defense is really good. Now, their defense hasn't been as dominant, like attacking the quarterback. They still, man, Jalen Phillips is going to play big dividends.

1:00:53Shannon Sharpe:Did you see him how violent he – Ocho, he violent. Oh, yeah. And that's the one thing where you're looking for a defensive lineman, Joe?

1:01:01Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:01:02Shannon Sharpe:Edge rusher or D tackle? Yes. Is he violent? How violent is he with his hands? Look at him, said the edge. Y 'all go watch him how he's locking out. He got the tight end like this. Come here. I don't know where you're going, Josh Jacob, but you can't go without me. Right. Hey, he is a hell of a player. He played in Fangio's defense, so he knows this defense. So there's really not a learning curve. But A.J. is absolutely right. Because you look at the Seahawks, if you think you're going to hold them to seven points, you look at the Rams, if you think you're going to hold them to seven points, that ain't happening.

1:01:44Shannon Sharpe:If you think you're going to hold the Lions to seven points, that ain't happening. Yeah. Because at some point in time, Ocho, you're going to have to win a game where you really score 35, 38, 40 points. There's going to come a time, even when we had the 2000 Ravens, there was a situation where we had to outscore Jacksonville and we ended up beating them 38, 35. Yes. There will come a time. Defense is doing outstanding. Yeah. But AJ, and my only thing is that I said this when it first happened, oh, I said, man, Ochoa, I wish he could have kept this private because it's going to look like, it's going to look like he cared more about production than wins.

1:02:25Shannon Sharpe:Everybody's like, wins the game. Well, okay, because I'm going to come in here when y 'all tell me when I ain't got my 55 passes for 700 yards, I'm going to say, hey, but we won. Yeah. I was blocking my ass off for Saquon. Yeah, that ain't going to work. And y 'all will look at me crazy. Hey, you know what? Comparison is the thief of joy, too, Joe. When you look at what's going on with the Rams and how their offenses, You look at JSN over there in Seattle with Sam Donald, the two are completely different. I mean, in comparing the two to the Eagles, it's a thief of joy, and it makes you sad as a receiver.

1:03:02When you look at what JSN is able to do, what you look at Devontae Adams and Pugnacour are doing over there, and it's kind of different because that offense over there in Philly is not run like that. So, listen, I totally understand young bull frustrations, man. And I hope, I hope, I hope things do get better. I'm not sure they will because this has been going on since last year. And it's tough. He's in a tough spot. He's in a tough spot. And people, especially those that are fans of the game, probably won't understand it as a former player, as a former receiver, as a former elite receiver, just not know anybody.

1:03:40Definitely understand where he's coming from. I do. I do. Can I ask you a question, Ocho?

1:03:45Shannon Sharpe:Yes, sir. You and Joe? What's that? If you're making your money in stocks and bonds, you're making millions and millions in stocks and bonds, it's going to be hard for somebody to get you to invest in real estate. The Eagles say we're winning and winning. How we deviate and all of a sudden try to force feed you the ball. Right. Because we're having success. Now, if they're not having success, it's easy. The fans are also going to be on AJ's side. but because they're winning it's hard to get fans to come on your side Joe when you're winning and you're not getting the numbers that correlates with that winning

1:04:24Chad Johnson:yeah

1:04:25Shannon Sharpe:hey bro we're 72 I'm crying ain't nobody care nothing about that hey listen

1:04:31Chad Johnson:this has been going on since last year I bet he held it in as long as he could yeah that's why why you didn't read books on the sideline why you didn't read books on the sideline I'm trying to find things to distract me I'm trying to find and do things in game that are going to distract me from the fact that I'm not being productive because if I don't read this book I'm going to pour out all

1:04:52Shannon Sharpe:this Gatorade on the sidelines ain't nobody going to have an extra drink hey my baby watching hey Kennedy I love you I love you you should be in bed I think there's school tomorrow if I'm not mistaken but I love you and thank you for supporting daddy what up twin this is crazy I can't believe they're going three and out more than any offense since 2014 and they're seven and two. Yeah. That's the mark of a really, really good football team. Yeah. Yes. Think about Ocho. They're seven and two and they're going out at a high clip of three and outs than any offense since 2014. You do realize that we saw about five or six years of the Jets offense and they're worse than the Jets.

1:05:40Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

1:05:44Shannon Sharpe:That's funny how that work, huh? They worse than your bingles. They ended up getting Joe Burrow. Joe, your bingles got Joe Burrow. No need to throw that in there. There was no need to throw that in there. But I had to. I had to. I had to give, you know, Ocho, we like to do context and perspective. Because optics, you know, it matters. You're right. You're right. You're right. and for them to have the level of success that they're having with the amount of three and outs but like i said the mark of any great unit can you get done what you need to get done when you absolutely got to have it when they need to convert a third down they get it they had third and 12 boom picked it up they had 39 picked it up fourth and one they get the two-ish push they pick it up you know what else too it come down to the quarterback too the quarterback is a phenomenal decision maker he does not put the effing ball in harm's way you can't he don't put the ball he don't put he decision making is phenomenal if i gotta check it out i'm gonna check it down if it ain't open i ain't throwing it i don't care who mad i don't care who get upset i'm not having no turnovers i'm not putting my team behind the eight ball you can't when you go three and out the last thing, when you have the rate of three and outs that they have, the last thing you do, Ochoa, is turn the football over.

1:07:06Shannon Sharpe:That's a recipe. A great grandma's recipe to get your ass to them. Alright, we got a very special guest joining us. Texas A &M wide receiver, KC Conception. 40 receptions, 629 yards, 8 TDs on the season. KC, how you doing? How you doing? KC, what's up, man? Hey, let me hold some NIL, bro. Let me hold some, bro. I got you. I got you. I got you. So, coming into the season, KC, what were your goals? What were your – what was the team goals? What did you guys want to accomplish? There's 12 teams in the playoffs, an SEC title. So, when Coach Elko came up there and you guys assembled together, what were some of the goals that he wanted you guys to get done this year?

1:07:50He wanted us to be in Atlanta, you know. He wanted us to be there for the SEC championship, you know, and then eventually in Miami. so

1:08:03Shannon Sharpe:so far so good you just went down to Miami thumped them you got South Carolina at home you got Sanford at home and everything that you possibly hoped for probably going to come down to you and Texas on ABC at Darryl Roy but you can't think about that you're thinking about South Carolina now what do you guys need to do because you guys have played extremely well. Your quarterback is probably going to be in New York as one of the guys for the Heisman Trophy. Marcel Reed is playing unbelievable. What is the connection with you guys? Because, hey, bro, you doing it. You doing your thing. You got 40 catches, but you got eight touchdowns.

1:08:44Shannon Sharpe:So once every five times you touch the ball, you out. Yes, sir. Most definitely, yes, sir. Getting to it. Got you, man. Got you. Got you. let me ask you this as I mentioned your quarterback Marcel Reed he's a guy known as more of a running quarterback but his ability this year to throw the football because yeah you guys run it but he's dropping dives to you and the other receivers what have you seen in the growth and the maturation of him coming in And then we all heard that he wasn't a passer. He wasn't a passer. And then upon my official visit here, I came to see him throw. And I'm like, dang, he can actually throw the ball.

1:09:34But they were just letting us know that they need some more weapons inside the offense that can create these big plays for them. So that's all we need. What has it been like for you as far as the season's going so far? obviously as a receiver before every season we set you know long-term short-term goals we short long we set long-term goals as well have have those go have you met those goals yet and your expectations that you had you set out for yourself before the season yes and most of you know um I came here to you know uh to win a championship you know um you know uh of course you know uh we all got our personal goals you know about the team first you know uh I came here you know to uh championship and whatever they need me to do to do that i'm gonna get it done so let's do it

1:10:22Shannon Sharpe:kc you you you kind of remind me of myself because when i was growing up uh when i got anxious i sped up my talk and i would have a speech impediment i talked with a list uh i start i get anxious and my grandfather would say you don't have to be in a hurry to speak how have you been able to how have you been able to like embrace who you are like okay this is who i am because if you take ownership of your vulnerabilities and your insecurities, no one can make you feel inferior about them. So how have you been able to embrace who you are? This is a part of who you are. But, you know, as you go to the next level, you're going to have to get better and better, and I'm sure you will, if that's something that you're working on.

1:11:00Yes, sir. So, you know, I've been stuttering all my life, you know. My dad, he stutters also. So, you know, just, you know, having conversations with him, you know, and seeing how he has dealt with it. And then, you know, being a role model or somebody that these little kids can, you know, look up to, you know, if they have a speech impediment or if they have trouble, you know, talking, you know. So, yeah, that's probably it.

1:11:27Shannon Sharpe:Do you get anxious when you have to speak publicly or you speak in front of a crowd or you talk in front of the team? Do you get anxious? You're like, don't call on me. No, I don't want to give them no pregame beat. I don't want to give them no pimp talk. I just want to go out here and do my job. I just want to go out there and play, man. You feel me? I like talk here and there, you feel me? But it's not like no big old speeches or nothing. You ain't going to give me no Remember the Titans speech by Coach Boone. Also, if I'm not going to correct me if I'm wrong, you love to cook. And you cook a lot for your teammates.

1:12:03Shannon Sharpe:So what's your signature deal? All right, so I'll probably have the guys come over. I'll probably make some salmon on the Blackstone. probably make chicken breast on the Blackstone, make yams, mac and cheese, probably Little Rock. Hey, yo, come on, man. Show me. Yeah, oh, you, hey, boy, you know, I'm a cook, too. I went to school for that. Yeah, I went to culinary art school about two years before, and, yeah, I got kicked out. You know, I was stealing shit, bro. I ain't gonna like it. Yeah, but I cook, too. I throw that out, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I throw that out. For sure.

1:12:39Go ahead, go ahead. I've been cooking, you know, all my life, you know, I grew up watching my father, my mom, and my auntie, you know, Paula, you know, cook. And, you know, I just, you know, watch them. And then as I have gotten older, you know, I'm on my own now. So, you know, I got to make my own meals now, so.

1:13:01Shannon Sharpe:So you be pocketing that stipend. You be pocketing your money that you both be spending on food. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, but listen, this is a good thing. This is what a lot of people watching, especially for us fellas, man. That's a great tool. That's a great tool to have your toolbox to be able to cook. Not just for yourself, but you married? Nah, nah, nah. You got a lady though. You see, I ain't paused and say, nah, I ain't married, but I got somebody. Okay, okay, okay, okay. But that's a great tool. That's a great tool there. For Valentine's, Valentine's Day, what you cook for your lady?

1:13:35Valentine's Day when I'm gonna probably cook yeah yeah give us a good one hey hold on let me write this down before you go Valentine's Day you know alright look I'm gonna try a little mashed potatoes you know with the little steak bites you know with the steak bites okay okay write that down for me

1:14:01Shannon Sharpe:the snowflake the snowflake steak that's so buttery melts in your mouth the snowflake yeah yeah okay yeah and then we go and then we go the medium well though you feel me we gonna be doing well okay okay and then we'll probably put a little asparagus on the side for me yeah smooth look i just want you to know i just want you to know uh uh hopefully uh uh uh casey before you you know you already got your your pleasure you done got everything you need to get done before you feed this meal because she going straight

1:14:44Shannon Sharpe:you give us steak bites mashed potatoes

1:14:50Shannon Sharpe:hey she gonna hit you with the step her and she take that last bite

1:14:54Chad Johnson:It's over with. I just saw you know. Just saw you know. Hey, KC, tell me something. Who you model your game after? So growing up, you know, I watched a lot of table and office highlights. You know, I watched a lot of table and office highlights at West Virginia. And then now, I would say probably Jamar Chase. I like to watch Jamar Chase, you know, after the catchability. So definitely. Yeah. Yeah.

1:15:27Shannon Sharpe:Because you know what? You do. Because you're tremendous once you get the ball in your hand. And I like watching you in the slot. But I thought you should have had three touchdowns. Now, one day, you dropped that one across the middle. Hey, right on. It was dying, too. You remember the one I was talking about? I know what you're talking about. Yeah, it was right on the guy. That's for me. That's for me. That's for me. That's for me. I'll talk to myself about that one. So what was your personal goals coming into this season? So coming into this season, you know, I just wanted to, you know, bounce back, you know, from my sophomore year, you know, and just let the world know, you know, that I'm one of the best players in college football.

1:16:14Absolutely. Absolutely. hey you gotta do me one thing though you gotta talk a little bit more shit you gotta let them know this me I'm here I've arrived I'm him you know and if you don't want to do it I'll do it for you it ain't no problem say this I got you say this yes sir I'll see you this Saturday

1:16:37Shannon Sharpe:that's what got me I you know had a speech impediment then I started talking and the more I talked I was like yeah I want him to hear exactly what I was saying, so I slow down. And I'll be like, you suck. You know what I'm saying? You understand?

1:16:58Shannon Sharpe:So that's how I got him. That's all you got to do, Casey. Man, Casey, hey, man, congratulations on the season you're having. Thank you. Keep it going. You're a couple of games away from your ultimate destiny, one of your destinations is being in Atlanta, SEC championship game. Stay healthy. and hey, once you guys get to Atlanta for the SEC Championship game, come back and talk to us and tell us how you did.

1:17:17Chad Johnson:Yes, sir.

1:17:18Shannon Sharpe:Hey, we're going to have to come down there and take bites, mash potatoes, and jams. We're going to have to come down there and see what you put down there. Hey, yes, bro. All right, we're going to see if you cook it like that because we're going to put that, we're going to scream it out and I'm going to be one foul with them now. I'm going to say this is some boo.

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