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24:02Shannon Sharpe:And there's a lot of good. You had a lot of good early in your career. Rookie of the year. The first unanimous defensive player of the year. First team all NBA selection. Many more awards to come. Man. But that's a part of it. That's absolutely a part of it. So I think he's getting that. I think somebody, I think Pop will probably talk to him. Maybe Timmy. Maybe Admiral David Robinson. Maybe. Maybe, maybe. But probably Pop to understand that to whom much is given, much is required. Hello. Son, I understand. You're tall, and you got a huge burden. You got a huge responsibility. You're carrying the future of this franchise on your seven-foot, four-and-a-half shoulders.

25:00Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, hey, hey, not just the franchise here, the NBA. You're absolutely right, Joe. Yeah. I mean, man, he got some big shoes to fill. And if he keep it up, bro, he going to supersede expectations. And he going to fill them. Oh, what? He going to fill them. Man, he got a bright few. But for the most part, I think, I don't know. I could be wrong, but I don't know. But like I said, it's hard to tell. I don't know if Jordan has ever done something like this. I don't know if Kobe or Barkley or Malone or Bird or Magic or Kareem. I don't know. It's happened before. I'm sure. But I don't know if Jordan, because it damn sure would have been a big deal if he didn't speak.

25:40Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. But I think Jordan, you got to understand, Jordan was very methodical. He did everything with a purpose because he understood he saw the bigger picture. He understood it was his responsibility, be it good, bad, or indifferent, to talk. Now, he might make you wait a while until he get freshened up, because you're not going to see him out there in any kind of way. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He's going to be down to the nines now. For sure. For sure. What? That's his MO. That's his resume. That's his modus operandi. And it's okay. But I think more guys need to understand that this is a part of it.

26:22Shannon Sharpe:You know, this is a part of it. When you win, you talk. When you lose, you talk. They're asking, you know, what happened? You know, what was different about this game than game four? What was different about this game than game one? And you offer your best guess estimate. You know, they played – they out-physicaled us tonight. They were a little hungry. They got to the 50-50 ball. They got to the 50-50 ball about 85 % of the time. Yeah. That extra effort, they gave a little bit more than we did. Now we can't let that happen. We get an opportunity to go back home, play in front of our crowd, and we're going to play better.

26:58Shannon Sharpe:I promise you, the effort that we gave tonight, you will not see on Thursday night. Yeah. He was, hey, he might have been a little emotional about it. What did he win, 4 for 15? Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you know, when you put so much on yourself and you feel like you can come out and you can dominate whenever and it don't happen that way, it seemed as though he you know he took that to heart bro he said damn this media yeah but I'm saying though Joe I mean I think the fact is we've all had some 1 for 12 yards some 2 for 18 and a loss and they standing right at your locker can't wait for your ass to say something I ain't got much to say I want to say they should have threw me some more passes but you know what I mean you take, you take, you take all of that.

27:50Shannon Sharpe:You understand, you understand it's a part of it. And I think Victor, I think Victor is going to get, he'll learn from this. I don't, I don't foresee him doing something like this, of this nature in the very future, in the near future. And so we'll see what happens tomorrow night. I'm expecting a dominant performance from him tomorrow night. He definitely needs to get more touches, a little closer to the basket. he can't get stronger now Joe that's something he gonna need to work on in the off season and you're right they're doing a good job of wearing on him and tagging him and wearing him down I mean hey we've all did workouts with a vest on man that 20 pounds that ish get heavy and after a while when you take it off you're like damn but you gotta fight through it you gotta fight through it so I heard that coach Mitch Johnson He said 15 shots ain't enough.

28:45Shannon Sharpe:So I expect his ass to be aggressive too. Yes. I expect him to come out and be assertive, try to get him off to a great start. Him trying to get him off to a great start. So it's going to be a sight to see tomorrow. And be a little bit more patient. If he doesn't open right away, that don't mean you have to go. Give him a little time to get to his spot. Yeah. Sometimes I think the guard rush because he's not where he needs to be or where they want him to be right now. Okay, let me go somewhere else. Now, let it develop. You got time? Yeah. Because I promise you, when he gets off the fast starts, he makes it easier for everybody else to get shots.

29:26Shannon Sharpe:Man. And a lot easier shots.

29:31Copenhagen's Spit Free packs American-grown tobacco into pouches made from when your elbow's deep in an engine block. They're masked up. Torching deep cuts into stubborn pipes. Her helmet's on, riding deep into backcountry. When there's no time or space to spit, grab Copenhagen's spit-free pouches. Find them in stores today. Not all varieties available in all geographies. Warning, this product can cause mouth cancer. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. Getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is. getting a new one put up in its place.

30:12As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the Civil War. To get to school, I had to go down Robert E.

30:19Shannon Sharpe:Lee Boulevard. To get to the grocery store, I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're a historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job. I'm Akilah Hughes, and Rebel Spirit Season 2 goes deep on both of those things. The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to the Kentucky Statehouse that's actually worth the wall space. We are more than our bodies. We contain essence. We contain spirit. How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

31:03I love the sounds. The buzzing from the stadium, the chanting from the fans, the announcers calling the place soccer, football, it's home. Why do I watch the World Cup? That's like asking me, why do I breed? I inherited that fandom from my mom. I like watching it with my dad. It's a connecting force. From Futuro Studios, I'm Fernanda Echavarri, and this is American Football, a show about soccer culture in the U.S. and its underdog roots. We go beyond the game to the people and the stories that make it great. A soccer game is a festival. It's not just a game. It's your culture. I took an elbow to my head, which cracked my skull.

31:48It is an American game. The Brazilians don't like hearing that, though. Are they the only ones that don't like that? Nobody likes that. As we get ready for the Men's World Cup this summer, listen to American Football as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

32:33We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reed. He has to guard Julius Randle. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on a night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too.

32:55Shannon Sharpe:Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court licking his fingers while he got the ball. Like, after you go through a training camp with that Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You said to me, yo, you know, keep at it because you let me rap for you. It was magical for all of us. We made it. We made it. Yeah. I'm like, we? You know, I'm like, I know these guys, but who are you? I'm MC Jen and this is Laugh But Not Lease.

33:31I'll be chatting with guests from all walks of life about the power of humor when it comes to facing difficult times. Like the co-founder of Rough Riders, Darren D. Dean. Talking about as a kid. Do you remember that we met even way before that? Let me think. Did you walk up to the gate? That was me, D. That was you? That was me. The day we found out that you and the whole crew was at Hit Factory, the mission was to get me to go to the gate, start freestyling, and see if I could get in the studio. I'm rapping. And then suddenly, I hear a voice. Hey, open the gate. Let him in. The gate slowly went.

34:02They all they're watching this and they watch me walk into there. And that is a moment that I will remember for the rest of my life. Listen to laugh, but not least with MC Jen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

34:16Shannon Sharpe:Adam Silver spoke tonight about refereeing in the 2026 postseason, saying, I think the officiating has been incredible. Adam also said the NBA will implement an AI automated system to review calls. So if it's been so why are you going to this if hold on hold on? If that's the case, why do you need this? I It's another sports too. Huh you think about it to get to get the calls right most of the time because the naked eye at times Human error is never in other words. They bring it. They just say that so yeah, look it's human But he can't he can't say that being the commissioner He can't come out and say that but adding adding AI adding on technology as advanced as it is in other sports like football to make sure calls have gotten right and in soccer as well to make sure goals in all sides have gotten right.

35:07In a sense, it slows down the game. It slows down the game, but it also gets all calls right because the naked eye at times can't see everything. Joe?

35:21Shannon Sharpe:Man, I don't know, man. All this AI. I'm going to keep it real. I don't know what's real, what's fake. I don't know. I mean, is it really gonna help the game though? As far as getting all the calls correct, Joe, that's about it. I mean. Unless you see something that's coming. Well, they missed that goal, so the AI would have got that goal tending, it would have got that ball off Chet Foot. So we need to go ahead and implement that now. Hell, the naked eye saw that, damn it. I don't need AI to see that. Hey Joe, I ain't even AI.

35:58Shannon Sharpe:The original AI. And if you look at it, you can see Wallace knocked the ball and Tony Brothers staring right at the goal. No, that was, what's the other, that might have been Capers. No, that was Sean Wright. Go look at it. Go look at the view and you'll see the official looking right at it. You see? you look at the one Hartenstein knocks the ball out of bounds yeah Tony Brothers looking right at it yeah so look I agree Ocho there's some things that you know you're gonna miss but bro when it's right when you there's a reason why they got three officials right nobody really should be out of place somebody's always under the basket somebody's back somebody's on the other side so we got it we got it covered we got it covered but boy damn damn ref damn refs get caught up in the game too of course yeah they got to I mean sometimes they realize they're part of they're witnessing something special yeah absolutely They're like, hey, I repped that game that such and such dropped 83.

37:24Shannon Sharpe:Right. You know what I'm saying? Hey, hey, hey, man, you know what? I was a part of that game. That's, hey, when Tom Brady threw for 200, excuse me, 500, or some receiver caught for 300. Man, you know, I called that game. Pitching can pitch as a perfect game. Yeah. They needed that with Jim Joyce, Rob Galarraga of that perfect game. That's when they needed AI. Hey, listen. Hey, refs got a lot more control on the game than what people really think, bro. Yeah. Yeah, they can really dictate the outcome of a game. They absolutely can. Big time. Seriously. That's why I like, since we can talk about basketball in the playoffs, I like the game where the referee holds the whistle.

38:08Hold your whistle sometime. Let the boys play ball. It's the goddamn playoffs. You know, the game of basketball at times is physical.

38:15Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. You ain't got to call every goddamn ticky-tack foul. Yeah. If it's egregious and it deserves a whistle, okay, blow your whistle. Yeah, I agree. I agree, Ojo. You got to let them boys play, man. Hey, we want to see great competitive basketball in the playoffs, not all these damn touch fouls and flopping and flailing. Hey, man, let them boys play a little bit. Let them play. It's going to be some borderline calls to where, you know, guys feel like they got fouled. But, hey, you got to get your ass back on defense, man. We got to continue to keep playing. I don't know who was the first one that started that flopping and that flailing, but.

38:56Shannon Sharpe:It took over 90, man. Because you go back and watch 80s and 90s and early 2000 basketball, there wasn't none of that. Guys fight and fight and fight for position, and guys will try to repost. And, hey, damn. They spin one way. They cut that off. They spin the other way. Hey, now they backing it. They backing each other. Hey, throw it over the top. Yeah. You push a guy. Damn. That's a great question too, Joe. Would you know? What? Yeah, both of y 'all been watching the game for a long time. Who started the understanding of being able to manipulate the game and drawing calls by flopping? I'm not sure who started it, but Ankin Ocho, it has trickled down.

39:42Shannon Sharpe:to the high school and colleges because these kids mimic what they see on TV. Yeah. You know, any and everything they see. If you know, if you learn how to flop and flail your head back, you watch that high school. I watch a lot of high school and college basketball. Hey, man, these kids doing the exact same thing as if they was in the pros. You know what I mean? So they learn that just by watching. That's why they always, at the level, they try to like certain things about celebrating because you best believe whatever celebrating they see you see in the NFL, Ocho, where you going to see it at?

40:15Shannon Sharpe:College, high school, middle school. Look at them kids. Kids eight years old got a shield, got gloves, got a towel. Hold on. Why you got a shield? Why you got on gloves? Why you got a towel? Hey, hey. Hey, hey. Don't say how old he is, man. Hey, hey, they best players. they best players wear that. I'm wearing my best players. Hey, look, I told y 'all, back in the day, man, look, if you ain't had that little arm, elbow, sleeve on your that little sweatband, man, you wasn't talking about nothing. I had to have one of them. Yeah, that's the thing. So, and so, the NFL understands that, and it's like, man, we need to cut some of this stuff out because, you know, they're gonna do whatever they see their favorite players do.

41:08Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Yeah, hey, hey, hey. And if they see their favorite player get demonstrative toward the referee, you gonna see that. Hey, you see these kids, I'm telling you, man, these kids in high school and college do the exact same thing that they see on TV. Yep. They copy and paste. Huh? They copy and paste. They do, they do. Hey, hey, Mauls, you see guys? Yeah, what you... Yeah.

41:38Shannon Sharpe:Everybody tried to get the one-hand catch. Everybody tried to do the Odell. Everybody tried to do – I'm like, come on, bro. Bro, you like teaming. Hey, everybody started – everybody trying to catch everything with one hand. They are. Yeah. Hey, it's so funny. They continue to talk about Odell and that, you know, the catch he had against the Giants when they were playing the Cowboys. But y 'all better go back and watch Brandon Lord. Yeah. it go back and watch brandon lloyd man uh that was uh that was on car wasn't it oh yeah yeah used car very cooked it go back and watch it for what in lsu no i'm so i said you need to watch brandon lord oh brandon oh oh i thought you said brandon i'm like hold on what we watching him for oh the one oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Brandon Lloyd.

42:30Shannon Sharpe:People don't talk about his hands enough. You talk about it's hard to believe somebody made more spectacular catches than Brandon Lloyd. The only guy that I would say, and he didn't have the advent of the tactified gloves, was Chris Carter. Yeah. CC made a lot of one-handed catches with Newman's, and they didn't have the tactified technology that they have now. But Brandon Lloyd, the catches that he was making, that is ridiculous. Out of this world. Hey, hey. With them damn sticky gloves. Now, hey, all you got to do is take your hand out there. It is. And you know what? They took the physicality out of the game in the NFL.

43:11Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. So you can feel a little bit more comfortable catching, opening up a little bit more, you know, going through traffic, going across the middle where you don't feel bad or you're not nervous, you know, and you know what? I'm going to put my hand because I want to make a highlight. Hey, hey, same thing in basketball. Hell, they took the physicality out of basketball. You can't handshake. You can't touch nobody when they drive. You can't impede his progress. Hell, how I supposed to guard him with my damn hands up like this behind my damn back? You can't play a defense like that, man. You're right.

43:42Shannon Sharpe:That's the thing. And that's why you see guys. Guys got a lot of courage now to go across the middle. Now you got to let the guy catch it. He got to catch a couple of steps, and he got to see you. It used to be, nah, I'm going to knock hell at you. Even if you don't catch the ball, you can't even hit the guy on the shallow cross, not Ocho. Boy, they used to bust hell out guys when they're shallow. Okay, keep looking back if you want to and don't see that guy sit you on your ass. Everything. Everything. Guys catching three slams. I remember the first, I said, hold on. I had to re - I said, he just ran a three-step slam route in front of the Mike Backer?

44:21Shannon Sharpe:You try to catch that ball behind the Mike Backer. You're not trying to catch it in front of him. Bro, you catching that ball. Oh my goodness. The game is completely different.

44:38But, Adam, it's different.

44:41Shannon Sharpe:But hey, if it's going to make the game better, if it's going to put people's mind at ease that the call actually happened the way the official blew it, or it didn't happen, you're able to correct a wrong. Hey, what about when Ms. Johnson was doing that? AI gonna correct that? Right. I don't want to know. Help me understand what AI because I can swore I saw him doing this. Isn't that the signal for challenge? Review. Yeah. Yeah. You know what's funny too, Joe? What's that?

45:18The NFL changed the rules for the betterment of the game and player safety as they say, right? but I am what I like to call a football purist as well I much prefer the era in which I played in and Unk's era as well so to me that's football in the essence of the way football should be played but there has to be somewhat of a sense of not only urgency but a sense of I have to be weary of my surroundings at all times you know Not just right now in today's game is, oh, I ain't got nothing to worry about. I'm going across the middle. I'm running slants. I'm catching one hand. I'm doing all this theatrical stuff that you would never do when it was a thinking man's game.

46:07You had to be careful and know where everybody has to go before the snap of that ball.

46:12Shannon Sharpe:What they've done, Ocho, you make a very good point. What they've done is that they kind of legislated the physicality out of it. Because football at its premise was about intimidation. Bingo. That's what it's about, bro. I tell you what I'm going to do. Now, you're going to run this round in the first quarter, and even if you don't catch it, I'm going to bust hell out you. Now, if you don't catch it, I'm going to see if you still want to catch it in late in the third and the fourth quarter. Now, you ran that shallow cross, you ran that end cut, okay. I'm going to put my helmet right up under your damn chin, and I'm going to see, hey, Boy, you see that joke?

46:51Shannon Sharpe:The first quarter joke, that joke up there like this here. Like Lin Swan in the Super Bowl. Oh, my God, it's Lee. Then I saw Adward and Dennis Smith put that barbecue sauce on ribs in the first quarter. Yeah. Hey. Come third quarter, fourth quarter, they're looking at it like this here. Like, damn, is that a bird? Is it a plane? What you looking at? If they're throwing something, if you're on the football field and they're throwing something, it's probably the football you want to catch it.

47:27I don't think people understand, like Uncle Joe, during that time, during my era, as much fun, as entertaining as I made the game, I don't think people understand the difficulty and the worries I had in-game during snaps. Not only because during the week before it started, but having to know where Troy Palamala was going to be, where Harrison was going to be, where Jordan was going to be, where Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. It was crazy, Joe.

48:00Shannon Sharpe:It was crazy. There was a certain nervousness that I had. I had butterflies in my stomach before every game. I had butterflies in my stomach during the game. Joe, they trying to kill me, Joe, because I talk too much. I just enjoyed the game so much better back then as opposed to now. You can't talk. You can't talk to referee. Hey, calm me down. They'll throw a flag on you. You say the N-word. Hold on. Even out there on the field, let's say me and the guy I'm going against, we got a little friendly back and forth. We talking a little smack. You can't do that? Oh yeah, no, they might throw a flag.

48:42Shannon Sharpe:Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Johnson. Come on now, get on back to the huddle. Damn. Yeah. I mean, boy, can you imagine, can you imagine in the 90s, in the early 2000s? Cause I know, boy, N word. Shut up. You ain't do nothing. Nigga.

49:04Bro, listen, I've never seen somebody

49:07Shannon Sharpe:or heard anybody talk to the refs like Gary Payton, man. I swear. When I first came into the league in 01, we played against Seattle Supersonics. I've never, never heard nobody talk to the refs the way GP talked to them. GP talked to the refs like they his damn kids. I'm like, why you ain't gonna get that man no tank or nothing? No, you can't talk to officials like that. They talk quick to throw that flag on you. GP had his way, man. He had his way with the officials, bro. I ain't gonna lie. But I'm like you, Ocho, I'm doing all that. Man, shut me up. That's what you do, you shut me up. Yeah. Sorry ass.

49:50Shannon Sharpe:That's all right, I got some. Yeah, you ain't got nothing. Well, from the looks of it, you ain't got much. Y 'all down 21 with six minutes to go, so you better come up with something quick. Facts, facts, facts. Oh, children, oh, children, go on again. El God, oh, God, oh, man. Oh, man. But that was the whole thing is about talking. Hey, have a little fun. Hey, pick it up. You know, hey, you trying to get yourself going. You trying to get them out of their game. You trying to get your teammates going. But they like, hey, now they cut that out. Now, Joe, you can't say, you got to be careful what you say now.

50:32Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, you know what? And they don't allow that in basketball. They don't. No, me and you whole guarding each other going back and forth. Yeah, they going to end up taking us because they don't want it to escalate. You know what I'm saying? You know, sometimes, you know, that trash talking can escalate to something else. Next thing you know, you got a real rumble on your hands. Yeah, they going to escalate. Hey, I just want to know how we doing it. Tell me how we doing it. We doing it snap the whistle or snap the after the whistle? because if, hey, we going low because, you know, Michelle Obama say when they go low, we go high.

51:09Shannon Sharpe:I go to hell. I don't, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm wherever. Hey, you going low. You started. Yeah. I'm going to the very, very, hey, I'm going down in my shoes and I'm going to get you because I already know your bio. I already know everything. Hey, hey. Mm-hmm. How does it look? You saying you may not start it, but you're dancing on finishing. Oh, I'll be in there. Yeah. Now I want to meet you there. I ain't going to meet nobody nowhere. I met you right here at, hold on, we played at 2. So I met you here at 2.05. You ain't do nothing. Now you want to take this. I don't get paid to do anything after this, after the game over.

51:53Shannon Sharpe:Right. You should all that beef that you had with me, that all that backed up beef that you got now, you should have held that on the field. Now get your ass off to my field. That's all right. I'm going to see you. I see you right now. Yeah, you talking about his game. Talk about whatever you want to talk about. You want to talk about your girl? I ain't want to go there, but we'll take it there. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You got him to where he ain't even thinking about football no damn more. Nope. But that's a last resort. See, that ain't my first option. My first option is to keep it above the board.

52:30Shannon Sharpe:My first option is talking about my ability versus your ability. Then you start going sideways. You start talking about my brother. Dude told me, man, I hate you and your brother. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. My brother ain't never did anything to you. Man, y 'all talk too much. Well, you don't talk enough. You're sorry. And you know what? I ain't want to say anything, but I know how you got this job. You went up there and begged. Begged to get your job back. Man, what you talking about? Yeah, I know everything. I know people that you know begged to get a job, and they gave you less than what you asked for, punk.

53:11Hey, that's a low blow.

53:13Shannon Sharpe:Hey, it was the truth, though, and he knew it. See, I don't start it. Hey, I'm Switzerland. I try to remain neutral, Joe. I really try to remain neutral.

53:30Shannon Sharpe:But I ain't afraid to pick up arms when you don't give me no choice, Joe. Oh, Joe, what do I got to do? You don't give me no choice. You got to go there. Now y 'all get mad at the sheep because the sheep say, I'm going to pick up arms to keep the wolves from come killing and eating me. But y 'all mad at me. Man, you would have to say, I wasn't bothering nobody. I was minding my black business. Yeah. So he took it there. You know, sometimes he go a little far. I shouldn't. Look, only one time. And everybody knows the one time I said something, it went too far. Because he and I were great friends.

54:06Shannon Sharpe:We were great friends. We worked out together. He'd come to Atlanta. We'd work out. We'd go to the Pro Bowl. At the club, I saw him. We were cool. But the thing what hurt me is that I wasn't even talking to him. I wasn't talking to him. I was talking to old dudes. and then he comes I'm like man who I said my first reaction like man who shot me I know you know and it was him I said really I said you just I said oh my goodness yeah and then it just went from there that's what I'm saying Ocho I mean you were good at this there but unless you can get and the coach fired and the player suspended. Oh, yeah, sharp got to create a crowd.

54:58Shannon Sharpe:I can't. What about I ain't got no crowd. I need a crowd. It ain't one crown on here. Ocho, he false claim. Oh, yeah. All right, Joe, we have some breaking news in the soccer match today. Our own soccer aficionado, he almost scored a goal. Spit Free packs American-grown tobacco into pouches. Made from when your elbow's deep in an engine block. They're masked up, torching deep cuts into stubborn pipes. Her helmet's on, riding deep into backcountry. When there's no time or space to spit, grab Copenhagen's Spit Free Pouches. Find them in stores today. Not all varieties available in all geographies.

55:50Warning, this product can cause mouth cancer. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. Getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is. Getting a new one put up in its place. As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the Civil War. To get to school, I had to go down Robert E.

56:11Shannon Sharpe:Lee Boulevard. To get to the grocery store, I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're a historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job. I'm Akilah Hughes, and Rebel Spirit Season 2 goes deep on both of those things. The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to the Kentucky Statehouse that's actually worth the wall space. We are more than our bodies. We contain essence. We contain spirit. How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

56:56I love the sounds. The buzzing from the stadium, the chanting from the fans, the announcers calling the place. Soccer. Futbol. It's home. Why do I watch the World Cup? That's like asking me, why do I breathe? I inherited that fandom from my mom. I like watching it with my dad. It's a connecting force. From Futuro Studios, I'm Fernanda Echavarri, and this is American Football, a show about soccer culture in the U.S. and its underdog roots. We go beyond the game to the people and the stories that make it great. A soccer game is a festival. It's not just a game. It's your culture. I took an elbow to my head, which cracked my skull.

57:41It is an American game. The Brazilians don't like hearing that, though. Are they the only ones that don't like that? Nobody likes that. As we get ready for the Men's World Cup this summer, listen to American football as part of the My Cultura podcast network available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

58:18His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luka and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reed. He has to guard Julius Randle. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on a night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quinton Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too.

58:47Shannon Sharpe:Steve Nash would get that thing that man hell get the flying he running up the court licking his fingers while he got the ball like after you go through a training camp with that Isaiah you figure it out real quick get your ass up and down the court and you gonna get the ball so listen to Point Game on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts you said to me yo you know keep at it cause you let me rap for you it was magical for all of us we made it we made it yeah I'm like we You know, I'm like, I know these guys, but who are you? I'm MC Jin, and this is Laugh But Not Least.

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59:55They all they're watching this and they watch me walk into there. And that is a moment that I will remember for the rest of my life. Listen to Laugh But Not Least with MC Jen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. You're over. Hey. Find your space. Find your space. Open up. Open up. You kicked it right down in. You got to make that, Ocho. Joe, I was aiming for the left corner, Joe, but I couldn't get it to the corner, Joe. Hey, Joe, I'm just going to be honest with you. It's hard. Obviously, it's 77. Joe, I'm playing with pros, man, at the highest level. So I got to get that ball off my foot fast.

1:00:37I was trying to aim it to the bottom corner. I just couldn't. I couldn't.

1:00:43Shannon Sharpe:I'd have been to like Beckham. Man, I wish I could, man. They make it look easy, but it ain't easy, man. Hey, hold on. Hold on. For somebody who said they better at soccer than they were at football, I kind of expect for you to score that, man. I see you laying some hat out there on some foes too, boy. Yeah, I had to set the tone, Joe. I just want to let dude know it ain't going to be that type of game. You ain't just going to waltz and have. I like that. I like that Ocho. I said to him. I like that. Let him know if it was going to be physical. Yeah. Man, Ocho, man. I went high right. I went high right.

1:01:18Shannon Sharpe:Made it sprawl. Had to get up like that. Oh. I opened my hips and did everything the right way. I did everything the right way. It just didn't go where I was aiming. I was trying to aim for the bottom corner. That's the one place the keeper can't get to. I tried. I did. I did. I tried. It looked like you went right down the middle. Yeah, a little bit, a little bit. A little bit, you know? I'd have bitten, I'd have bitten like Beckham. I doubt it, your hips bad. There you go, see? You look like your hips was bad when you kicked that ball. Yeah, that's it. Nah, hey, I had me some fun out there, boy.

1:01:58Oh my goodness. Did y 'all win?

1:02:00Shannon Sharpe:Hey, Ocho. Yeah, huh? Did y 'all win? Nah, we lost that game 2-1. We lost that game 2-1. 2-1. How many games did y 'all play? Two. Did y 'all win the other game? 1-1. And we play Club America tomorrow. You know Club America, right? I mean, Joe, you know Club America? No? Nah. Hey, how long will game last, Ojo? Last year was 20 minute halves. This year it's 18 minute halves. And it's a continuous rotation so nobody gets tired. Oh. So how much time y 'all have for stoppage? six minutes six minute half time okay yeah six minute half time hey joe them boys good joe yeah oh my god joe was listening to you we thought you were good we we hyped this we don't talk about ocho gonna score we gonna put the a hey i don't put this thing out we gonna sit in the uh espn all the bro all the all the outlets gonna get it hey hey hey we We can only go off what he tell us.

1:03:03Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, he's going to go to goal. Yeah, I mean, I can't go off what a man tell me. All the man got is his word, ain't it, man? It is. But listen, listen. No, like, no. These folks is good, bro. You supposed to be good. No, no. No, Joe. You're not listening. Hey, Joe, I don't think I understand. I'm playing with a team that plays in La Liga, Spanish team. They finished third in the league this year, right? The only team in front of them is Real Madrid and Barcelona. I think Villarreal finished third. I might be wrong. I haven't seen the table. Like, that level, you know, Mbappe, Laminya, like them.

1:03:46It's their former players. These ain't just no anybody I'm playing with.

1:03:50Shannon Sharpe:You told me, Joe, this is what he tells us. He could go out right now and catch four or five passes in the NFL. A game that went home. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A game in which he hadn't played in 15 years. He also shared with Joe and I that he was better in football, F-U-T-B-O-L, than he was F-O-O-T-B-A-L-L. Now, all I can go by is what he told Joe and I. He reiterated that on several occasions. Hey, think about this, Joe. Have I ever lied to you? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Have I ever lied to you? ask the chat have a chat have i ever yes he'd rather lie to eat when he's hungry you rather lie than eat when he's hungry joe

1:04:41hey hey hey one thing about it the time i did get out there today i look good i look like i belong most of the time you put people in that kind of environment with what what i'd like to consider some of the best in the world your liability i wasn't so are any of these guys any of these guys

1:04:59Shannon Sharpe:that's on that team right now do they currently play yeah some of their academy players no no no are some of these players on psg are they on real madrid are they on the fc barcelona are they on those teams no they getting ready for world cup these are former players i just definitely i i no i said are they current yeah the academy players yes okay so when you say a cat it's 26 players so that's like the collegiate to the NFL, correct? No. Messi played for Barcelona Academy and then he went up to the first team. Do any of these guys play for FC Barcelona at the big level? Yes or no? Wait, are they here?

1:05:48I'm asking you. Are you confusing me? I'm talking about the team I'm playing for. Yes, they have some of their academy.

1:05:55Shannon Sharpe:No, I ain't saying academy. I'm saying are any of these forget the academy Messi did not play on the academy when he was playing with Barcelona he might have came up through the academy that's what I just said are these guys currently on a roster not the academy on a roster yes what's roster who they play for for Villarreal that's what I just said we're going to look them up yeah look them up and it's some of the former players Hey, do you know who Pepe Reina is? No? Pepe Reina still play? No. He's a worker. Oh, Joe, listen to what I'm saying. You and I and Joe were current players. We don't currently play.

1:06:42Shannon Sharpe:I'm asking you, the players that you played against, do they currently play on a roster? No, nobody over there does. So you should have been able to dominate. Thank you. That's all we wanted him to say to you. We got a new video, Joe. Check a look at this video. What do you got? What do we got?

1:07:05Hey.

1:07:10Hey, hey, hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. You said I should be dominating because they not on the roster. Yeah. Yeah. Do you understand how good these people is that's out here, man? You told us you were better in this sport than football. This is not no walk in the park.

1:07:34Shannon Sharpe:We just told Joe and I just going about what you said. Now, if it's a lie, you told me. Listen, I don't care what I said, but this ain't Sunday League. These are people that play to the highest level. That's like me saying I'm a dog walk Joe ass when we get on the court. You said that. And we know that's a damn lie. I am going to dog walk his ass. I'm a dog walker. That's going to happen. Hey, hey, hey, hey. I see you had that left leg wrapped up. What's up with that left leg? Oh, I had a little oil change. A little oil change. It don't mean nothing. OK. And you got a yellow card. You playing out there, you playing American football tackling people.

1:08:13Shannon Sharpe:I guess you ain't never watch soccer. Yellow cards is normal. It's normal when you think physical like me. I didn't think it was going to be a card. So I mean, and theoretically, hold on. This is normal in football a yellow a flag is normally football. Are you supposed to get those? Yes or no? Yes

1:08:34Learn learn learn the game. Yes, you get your car.

1:08:37Shannon Sharpe:I know you are you supposed to get them you get flags Yeah, are you supposed to get them? So if you get two of those yellow cards, what happened? If you supposed to get them you supposed to be able to rack up as many as you want So in other words, you're not supposed to get a yellow card. Am I correct? No, I wasn't supposed to get fined. I got fined, didn't I? I'm just asking. Chad, you're not supposed to get. Hey, hold on. You're not supposed to get a yellow card. He didn't want to answer that one. He didn't want to answer that one, Joe. In the NFL, the rules say don't celebrate or you're going to get fined.

1:09:14Got fined, didn't I? But I'm going to get a yellow card, whether I'm supposed to get one or not. That's how you set the tone.

1:09:21Shannon Sharpe:You're not supposed to get them you weren't listen you weren't supposed because they imposed the rules said if you celebrate You're gonna get fine. You probably wouldn't get fine now because you can celebrate on your own before if you celebrated with your team They would like No, you got to be celebrating by your by yourself now. You can celebrate by yourself or you can celebrate with the team And matter of fact, I would have celebrated with the fans instead. There you go. I'm gonna push the envelope I'm just telling you I'm gonna push the envelope I'm gonna make you take my money I wasn't trying to give them none but Me neither I ain't trying to give them My uniform Joe What happened?

1:10:01Shannon Sharpe:You gotta have your socks pulled all the way up And your jersey gotta be tucked in I didn't care Hey David Fulcher if you see this It's your fault they took all my money You always told Merton Hanks I had on the wrong color shoes they had that long streamer towel wrong gloves wrong chin strap boy they took my money every game joe i ain't care yeah you gotta have you can't have because you can't you can only have two colorways it can be red and you can have a white and a red or white and blue or white and orange but you know bronco's color we use white orange and blue yeah so i had to end up having to take the tongue of my shoes up because the back if you notice joe

1:10:47Shannon Sharpe:I had to tape this up because this is orange. So I had to tape it up or they would find me. Wow. Tape's still on there. See, the shoe is orange. So I had to tape it up because I already got two colors. I got a blue and I got a white. So a third color. Come on. It ain't like that nowadays, though, is it? I don't know, Joe. I really don't know. Hey, hey, hey, them boys be having them cleats spouting up and everything, boy. You see that, Ocho?

1:11:19Shannon Sharpe:800 career reception these the shoes that i call my 800th pass in the first time well i got some shoes let me show you my shoe oh here you go here you go what do you got man i see them boy hey you kicking hey hey cds

1:11:41You got some Adidas. Hey, these right here, these is a one-on-one. Suede Sambas, specifically made for me. Hey, these are Ocho 85. They coming out in two weeks.

1:11:53Shannon Sharpe:They coming out. Let me see the back of them. I'm saying, how are we supposed to know they Ocho 85? You see the 85 on the back? No, I don't see it. Now you think we boo-boo the fool or somebody, huh? Oh, the 85 right there, Joe. Come on, man. Come on, Ocho. Yo, stop playing with our intelligence, bro. Oh, my bad, it's on the tongue, my bad. Come on, man. You see the 85? Nah. Hey, Joe. Nah. What's up? Y 'all see that right there? What's that? Big play, Chase. So all y 'all, oh, we're the, hey, this was in, I had these in 2003 and 2004, so that's 23 years ago. So this notion, oh, he just, no, no, no, no, no.

1:12:34Shannon Sharpe:I been him. Yeah, yeah. Hey, Joe, I would have locked onk ass up if I played DB during this era, man. Hey, they doing that era right there? Hey, Joe. He wouldn't have caught nothing. Hey, Joe, once I get down, like, Joe, you seen me play DB too, Joe. You hear me? Yeah. Hey, I would have been in onk chest. He too saw all them muscles. Man, I would have deflated. Man, shit. All I know is I'd have had more catches, more yards and more touchdowns that i ended with if you ever guarded me i don't know i don't know how many more but i just know how to add more hey you ain't never had to face nobody like me oh joe you got that fast oh joe and you only weighed 185 pounds and then that's the my advantage little man that's the my advantage what you talking about i need i didn't need to wait no more than that i don't need all them i ain't need all them muscles to lock you up hey uh hey joe what was right once i get up his name he played with the rams i got a card man i flipped hey he got up there actually enough he doing he doing life in prison you know he was running drugs and then he tried to put a judge what's his what's his last name is henley played with him yeah oh in the league try to put it on the hoop he got caught he got popped he was running oh he had made it running He was a major player.

1:13:59Shannon Sharpe:And then he tried to put a hit on the judge. Darryl, look him up. I got a card. I remember Mr. Henley. I got a card.

1:14:12Shannon Sharpe:Right on his head. Damn. Hey, he was moving like that? After football? Huh? He was in football. He was playing. No. Oh, Wiley. Yeah. Wow. and they came inside hold on hold on hold on hold on what was it I think it was a receiver for the Bears the Bears got caught like that too yeah yeah yeah but he I wonder what happened the man put a hit on the judge but I was like damn I didn't know he was like that but I put a hit on him because he was talking crazy hey he out now no hell no he got 41 years ooh oh my gosh yeah I think if he got 41 fair time, he'll do. You what, you get 10 days for every year?

1:15:03Shannon Sharpe:That's with good behavior. Good behavior, yeah. If he got good behavior, he should be getting ready to come home. No, hell no. No, hell no. He got 41 years in 97, Ocho. Damn. 07, 17, 27, 37 will be 40. So he might be out and probably that's if he got good behavior. He'd probably be out in 30, 33. Yeah. Damn. But now, Ocho, you look too small. You look too small. One thing you know, when it comes to football, it ain't about size. It ain't about size. It's about skill. Ocho, at 180 pounds, I'm going to grab you and throw you out the way. I put it in this turn. You see how Julio and Brandon Marshall and T.O.

1:16:01Shannon Sharpe:So imagine somebody. That pulling tug. Hey, that shit was beautiful, boy. Hey, Joe. There's an art form to that pulling tug and you do it all in one motion. They love contact. I forgot. I like contact. And they allow you to put your hands on them. They leverage against you and pull themselves through and pull you right on back. Yeah. But all in one motion. You got to be strong as hell for that. But see, the thing is, they grab it outside. And so shoulders go down. They buy you. Copenhagen's spit-free pouches are packed full of American-grown tobacco. Made for welders. Stuck behind masks. More mechanics.

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