Nightcap Hour 1: Unc, Ocho, and Iso Joe react to Titans-Falcons + Howie Roseman speaks on not drafting Justin Jefferson

19:09Shannon Sharpe:Don't overthink things. When you're staring at a good player, just take them. Not drafting JJ, still Hanson to this day. Yes, because because think about who you took. Look, the guy that he took, I played with his father, Monte Rager. Jalen Rager is his son. He got in awe of all the jumping high and running fast, and he overlooked the production that J.J. Jetta gave him on the field. I asked Ozzie Newsome, who's one of the best GMs to do it, drafted Jonathan. His first two players he ever selected was Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis. He selected Suggs. He selected Lamar Jackson. He selected Ed Reed.

19:54Shannon Sharpe:We know what he's been able to do. and I asked him, I said, Ozzie, Suggs, Ocho, he said, Suggs ran 4.85 with tights and track spikes. I said, well, why the hell you take a man and run 4.85? He said, Shannon, somebody got 23 sacks, I saw. Somebody could be in the edge. I don't need him to run 40 yards. I just need him to run 10, and he can get off the ball. So I believe, he said, I'll never forget this. He said, I believe what my eyes tell me. He says, yes, when I'm watching film and a guy looks fast, he looks explosive, he looks strong. Hopefully he comes to the combine. Hopefully he tests well.

20:37Shannon Sharpe:But if he doesn't, I base most of what I'm judging on by what I see on tape. I'm going to trust my eyes. Howie didn't trust his eyes. He got enamored by, Ocho, 4-3, 4-4. a 4-4. He got enamored by 40-plus edge vertical. He got enamored by things that doesn't necessarily equate to be able to, because if that was the case, hell, I'd just go get me a tight guy. Do you see when Noah Loud is warming up? Did you see how high he jumps up in the damn air? His heels are at the height of somebody's head. So that lets you know, first of all, if a guy that fast, you know he's exposed to Ochoa. Look at Tyreek.

21:19Shannon Sharpe:You say Tyreek did them back. You say You say, you got to see this joke. Yes, you can tell he's explosive. Go ahead. What you going to say? But what you think about how he said admitting that he made a mistake, not that happens. That happens. Obviously, it's the eye test when it comes to scouts, GMs, coaches, and personnel in general. Based off the eye test and not looking at numbers, you look at Justin Jefferson and you look at Jalen Rager and you'll pick Jalen Rager based on what you see when it comes to the aesthetics of the position in itself so I can understand where he calls it a mistake.

21:54Actually it's not a mistake because let's say you did go get Jettles, you might not have the Super Bowls that you have. You know, you might not, you know, things would have been different so everything went exactly how it was supposed to go actually but I'm upset.

22:09Shannon Sharpe:Well he stumbled into it because guess what, the next year DeMonte Smith came out and he was able to trade down and get DeMonte Smith and a couple of years later you traded to A.J. Brown. So you got your big two. It did work itself out. I was kind of upset. I really wanted brother Jalen Rager to be great at the position because he had all the intangibles to be just that. And I think one of the things with him is mentally. Mentally, I think he had lost his confidence at some point and he just wasn't able to regain it back because he has all the potential in the world to be one of the best in the league.

22:46He just wasn't able to put it all together.

22:48Chad Johnson:Hey, Ocho, do you think they put too much emphasis on, like, the testing, the combine when it comes to football? Meaning because there are some guys who will not test well when it comes to combine agility, quickness, vertical. But when you put them in between the lines, when the lights come on, they just know how to play, bro. You know what I mean? That's for basketball and football. But I see that in a lot of guys this year, obviously, from watching Shadour. You know, I know we talk about him a lot, but he looks like one of those type of guys. You know what I mean? When you get him in between the lines, he just knows how to play, bro.

23:29Chad Johnson:You know what I mean? Yeah, hell no. He probably ain't going to test well in no combine, in no 40 or no vertical leap or none of that. You know what I mean? Yeah.

23:37Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

23:37Chad Johnson:I think –

23:38Shannon Sharpe:Somebody goes to the combine, they might not be – we just had Taron Armstead. He goes to the combine to run 4-6. Now people looking at him. You get a guy go there, and they might not be hurt, or he might be a low. Go run 4-3. Because I can teach you everything else. I can teach you to catch. I can teach you to backpedal. I can teach you to drop. I can't teach you how to run fast. Either you got that in you or you don't. But also, it's a gift and a curse, being able to run that goddamn fast, and them believing you becoming a project, coming to the NFL. where we can teach you all the intangibles, you know, to become a great player, whatever position you do play.

24:17Sometimes it's hard. Sometimes it's too late because if you're already in the NFL and you've been able to get by, you've been able to get by without the technique all this time. Yeah. Well, if you got the technique at the next level, you don't get exposed anyway, no matter how goddamn fast you are. Absolutely. Everybody run 4-3 at the skill position, damn yeah. Everybody, even the people that run 4-5 or run 4-6, that play receiver or not, they know how to manipulate all those that are fast to be able to get open and create separation. So speed is just an add. It's like having a car, Unc, and you're throwing rims on there.

24:51And once you put the rims on, okay, that's the speed in general. It's great to have, but you don't necessarily need it to be successful at what you do.

24:59Shannon Sharpe:You got to know when to use it. Let me ask you a question. Yeah. Have you ever heard anybody say size kill? No. Have you ever heard somebody say strength kill? What do they say kill, Ocho? speed. Speed. I can't teach you that. They say, well, he taught me. No, no, no, no, no. I can teach you technique to make you faster than what you are, but that's in you. If you think somebody like got that Usain Bolt was always fast. It was always in him. He just found somebody to get it out of him. So now, Ocho, we look at guys and they're like, man, What does everybody say? I just, ain't nobody saying I want to do 24 reps.

25:46Shannon Sharpe:Ain't nobody saying I want to do 40-inch vertical. Everybody say I want to run 4-3. I want to run 4-2 because that's what's going to grab the attention. When Chris Johnson ran that 4-2-4. Yeah. Yeah. But John Rawls got drafted in the first round because he ran 4-2-2. He couldn't stay healthy in college. So if you can't stay healthy in college, what makes you think you're going to be able to stay healthy in the NFL? Xavier Worthy. He goes to run 4-2-1, Ocho. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Moving. Hey, I got a question. Excuse me if I'm home, Joe. Hey, when you watch Xavier Worthy, despite his 40 time, He doesn't look as explosive when he opens up.

26:42Shannon Sharpe:It's Tyreek. He does not. It's like right now, he gone. But Xavier Worthy ran a faster combine time, but he doesn't look that fast until he gets going on the field. Am I tripping? Nah. He's a build-up guy. You know, some cars don't show you just to boom. Like an electric versus gas. Like if anybody out there to have an electric car, you know, you step on it, it doesn't require that. spark yeah yeah yeah yeah so i want you look at you look at tyreek okay tyreek looked when you watch tyreek run when you watch the very first time i say damn he looked i said maybe it's maybe i say but some people just look fast you know what i'm saying don't you know we see them and it's one thing to like to see a person up close and personal but to watch somebody from the television and say, damn, he's a long-fitting person.

27:35Shannon Sharpe:Tyreek looks explosive. But you can tell the way he built. Look at how compact he is. Look at the musculature. You can tell the way he walked. Oh, yeah. You can look at certain guys. Oh, he can do a back flip. He can do certain things. That's how Tyreek looks like that. Xavier Worth is fast, but you got to realize, Xavier Worth is what, 160? Tyreek, like 190. Really? You think so? Tyreek? He lost weight. Remember, he said he dropped weight. So he might be like 180, 185. He might even get up back. But Xavier Worthy, like 165. You know who Xavier Worthy might remind me of? The same type of runner style.

28:22They have the same gait, too. And it looked like they're not running until somebody's trying to catch them or the ball is in the air. that goddamn Ted again.

28:31Chad Johnson:Yeah, too.

28:32Shannon Sharpe:Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yes. You remind me of a guy. I don't know if you remember him, Ocho. James Jett. Yeah, from the Raiders. James Jett. From the Raiders. Yeah. James Jett with an alternate on the 4-by-1 that won the gold medal in 92 at the Olympics. Lord, have mercy. He can go? Because, you know, the Raiders always been enamored with his team. James was there. He was fast like that? They've always had guys that can run fast. They had Willie gone. They had Sam Grady, who won the silver medal in the Olympics, was on the 4x4 in Dada. They had Swervin Mervin Fernandez. They've always had guys that can fly at that position.

29:11Shannon Sharpe:You remember when they drafted Darius Haywood Bay, Ocho, because he ran 4-3-2. Now, catching the football was a problem. Running fast was not a problem. Okay, look, because you can have all that speed,

29:25Chad Johnson:but if you don't know how to use it and get open, hell, it's useful. Yeah.

29:29Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, man. It is. And I tell people, man, you're not that fast. I say all speed do is get you to the safety faster to get knocked out. This 4 '5", 4 '6", is pretty fast enough. All you do is get to that safety, so he dropped the ham on you. But look, you're going to make mistakes, but think about what you've done. You drafted Jalen Hurts. You drafted Jalen Carter. You drafted Jordan davis you jordan or kuba dijon you drafted landon dickerson look at the guy you found jordan mylotta look at the guy damn how are you what you want to be howard a baseball player that mad that he struck out he done got three home runs and a double he strike out of land plate appearance he like damn i messed up bro howie bro you that uh davante smith look at look at the pigs that he's God, Nocho, since he got that wrong.

30:27Listen, he's playing humble. Obviously, I don't think Howie even understands. Listen, I'm not a part of NFL offices or management or GMs or people in positions of power. But if anything, what Howie and Jeffrey Lurie have done the past, what, five, six years? Hell, they the goddamn blueprint on how to operate and build a winning team. Yep. I mean, to me, look at the defense. Hell, look at the offense. So if I'm in the NFL and I'm an executive of some sort, hey, we need to piggyback and steal what they're doing over here. It's a copycat league anyway.

31:02Chad Johnson:Absolutely. On the field, people watching film and stealing stuff that works the previous week on the opponent that you're playing, hell, they might as well do the same thing.

31:11Shannon Sharpe:It's easier to say than done. You don't think, hey, man, I can do that. I might as well cross over the country. But you're not Beyonce. Man, you see what my – you're not Michael. You're not Prince. you not usher so it's easy to say this is what you should do but you're not one of them to be able to do it it's easy to say man you see what how we doing but you ain't got how he's eye you don't know what how he's looking for when he looks for a particular player yeah it's easy to say man look at ozzy and joker how many hall of fame did he draft jonathan ogden and ray lewis on i think the all 75 the 100th anniversary team and reed also so he got three guys that's on the 100th anniversary team.

31:51Shannon Sharpe:Three guys, first ballot Hall of Famer. Suggs is going to be in the Hall of Fame. Lamar Jackson is going to be in the Hall of Fame. The funny thing when I think about it, Joe, is Joe just said it clear as day earlier. When the lights are on, what do they look like in between those lines or on the grass? There's a lot of film on everybody before you're drafting. If I'm a slow, yeah, God damn, it's common sense. I don't care what you ran the 40 in. Let's say you did run a slow time. How am I going to knock you when I know what I'm getting when it's time to play the actual game of football? The game of football isn't ran.

32:22It's not played in a straight line anyway. This ain't track, Unk. So having speed is just another great factor to add to what you can do. But if you don't –

32:32Shannon Sharpe:Jerry Rice might be the slowest receiver in the hall, Ocho. Jerry Rice might be the slowest receiver in the hall. Ramp 06. Technical sound. Ramp 06, he was technically sound, but Unk, he had something we call football speed. Football speed is the difference. And we know Emmitt might be the slowest running back. He got the most rushing yards. Yeah. So when you look at it, we do. We put a lot of emphasis on speed, Ocho. But at the end of the day, can you play the game of football? That's it. Listen, this ain't Olympics. Hey, we got Olympians. We're going to let Noah Lyles. We're going to let Katie Benner.

33:12Shannon Sharpe:We're going to let Ryde. We're going to let Dom have that. Can you play football? Because at the end of the day, we play a game called football. and it's not in a straight line. You're going to have to move. You're going to have to react. And the number one thing, you can't be a first. Now, look, there's a certain level. It's hard to say a player is soft because it takes a certain type of crazy. It takes a certain type of person to play the game. Well, not anymore. Not anymore. Now, doing your error, doing my error, it takes a certain level of crazy. The way the game is now, where it's favored and it's handicapped the defense, you got players out there catching with one hand man in the middle that's why you see all of them going across the middle and taking selfies you got guys up there talking about like boy they the buff boy Joe back in the 2000s boy in the early 2000s going across that middle going across that middle alligator arms man listen if that man I don't want to party.

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37:49Shannon Sharpe:That's Jerry Goff and Brock Purdy. And we got Justin Herbert at number nine at$52.5 million. And Lamar Jackson at a ripe$52 million. Where Mahomes at? Now, Mahomes ain't making that much money. He want to try to keep a team together. He realized, look, Mahomes was supposed to have been making, first of all, when they redid Mahomes' contract after that year, he threw, what, 50 touchdowns with 5 ,000 yards? He was supposed to be making$60 million way back then. He chose not to take that much, though. That's smart. That's smart. That's the time. He realized, like, man, I'm winning at such an early age.

38:30Shannon Sharpe:If I want any chance to catch Tom or be thought of in that conversation, I'm going to have to try to keep this thing together as long as I possibly can. And that's what he's been able to do. Plus, they go to him every year and basically, like, give him his money. Yeah, I would say that. And then guess what? After this season, they'll come back to the table again and give him more money. But are you surprised by that? Dak's never been to the Super Bowl. Neither is Josh Allen. Neither is Jordan Love. Joe has been once. Trevor Lawrence hasn't even won a playoff game. Tua's never been. Jerry Goff went, but he went with the Rams.

39:09Shannon Sharpe:Purdy went, but he lost. Herbert nor Lamar.

39:13Chad Johnson:That's why these teams try to take advantage of having good quarterbacks at a young age to where you're able to fill out the roster. You try to get him on his rookie contract and build around it. Kind of like how Jaden Daniels is over in Washington. Yes. You know what I mean? CJ Sproul. You get you a young, vibrant quarterback who can kind of lead you and you can kind of ride that wave. and make sure he still has weapons around him and keep the defense solid. Because they take up a lot of the cap, man.

39:40Shannon Sharpe:This is a... Oh, yeah. But that's what happened with Mahomes. But see, what happened with Jordan Love is that he had to wait two years. He waited a couple of years, Ocho. And so now when he plays well, it's time to pay him. So you missed a couple of those years that you could have got, but you got to pay him. Mahomes, remember, Mahomes sought out his rookie his first year because they had Allen Smith. Okay, that's one year. Okay, the next year he goes, they go to the AFC Championship game. He wins the MVP, 50 touchdowns, 5 ,000 yards. The next year, they come back, they win the Super Bowl. Uh-oh, damn.

40:15Shannon Sharpe:I've got to come see. He didn't hit him over the head like he could have. He's like, I need to keep Kelsey. I need to keep Chris Jones. I need to keep some of these guys in order for us to have a chance to repeat and get back. And so that's what he's been able to do. I don't begrudge these guys. It's not my job. I'm not a capologist. You told me to play. I'm going to play. Shut up and play, okay? So don't ask me to come down here and help your eyes with the cap because you told me to shut up and play. So I'm going to play. Shut up and go back upstairs and figure it out. And the funny thing about everybody on that list, they give their team the best chance to win.

40:49They give their team the best chance to win despite them not having success or having the Super Bowls that they need. But without them, what would their team be? Without those quarterbacks and the team that they play for, whether it be Tua, who hasn't been there, whether it be Trevor Lawrence on there? Yes. Time for second at$55 million. Or Justin Herbert. What would their teams be without them? I know they command such a high pay price or whatever you want to call it, but they still give their teams the best chance to win, which is why they're paid what they are, even though they haven't won a Super Bowl, let alone some haven't even been to the playoffs yet.

41:28everybody ain't gonna win no Super Bowl

41:30Shannon Sharpe:it's hard it's not look and people get upset Joe if everybody won a championship what's the fun in that what's the value if everybody has it there's a reason why there are certain zip codes there are certain things that everybody shouldn't have access to or what's the point in it what's the point Ocho, if everybody want a Super Bowl, so what's the value in that? Joe, if everybody want an NBA championship, what's the value in that if everybody got a ring? Everybody's like, oh, yeah, you're a great player. You're going to win one.

42:04Chad Johnson:Absolutely. But, I mean, it's the majority of the teams going to a season, Ocho, thinking they really got a real chance of winning them. I said the majority. I didn't say all. They say all.

42:19Shannon Sharpe:I said the majority. It's a few. It's about six. Ocho, what you think? About 18, 16? Maybe not even 16. That's too many. Maybe six. Six teams. I'm talking about legitimate. Every single season, no matter what, come hella high water, they actually have a chance to go to the Super Bowl. Ravens. Kansas City. Bills. Packers now with their play. Did I mention Ravens? Eagles. Ravens. Yeah. Eagles, yep. Bengals simply because of the offense. Now, I'm not sure what that defense is going to do. They can get to the playoffs if you already know what they need to do. It got to be one more. Detroit? Okay, you might have been eight because I got to throw the Rams in there as well.

43:10I mean. The question is.

43:16Shannon Sharpe:Fourth quarter. Six minutes left in the ball game. your quarterback. Can you count on it? Now, because, okay, you said, okay, you named a bunch of teams. But now, come fourth quarter, now, six minutes or less in the ballgame, how much do you trust your quarterback? To not lose you the game. Joe, that's now you got clutch situation. The last five minutes. Score within five. now who can we count on

43:54Chad Johnson:it ain't but a few it ain't but a few quarterbacks

43:59Shannon Sharpe:cause at that point in time ain't nobody tell you nobody man I make 60 million I make 55 million you ain't thinking about none of that when you're on the other field I can honestly say I don't know how you guys but I can honestly say I ain't never thought about how much I was making when I was on the field for what and as a matter of fact if you thought like that that you probably wouldn't make that kind of money because your focus is in the wrong place anyway. Thank you.

44:25Chad Johnson:Right.

44:27Shannon Sharpe:But I have thought about some other guy going to feel bigger than that kind of budget. Like how? Yeah. How? How about he beat you like a drum? We need to switch salaries. And it's so fair.

44:41Chad Johnson:But it's guys, it's guys who think like that though. You know, they come out and like, dang, dude making this amount of money. Oh yeah, I got to come out and put it, do a job on him, you know, just to show that, you know, I'm as equal or better than him. Right. Yeah. And a funny thing about it too, it also goes to say all the teams that are always in contention every year, you notice every last one of those teams have a quarterback with that

45:06Shannon Sharpe:in that top 10? Not in today's game. You know, we had this conversation, Ocho, about a week or two ago, and you say, you ain't got no chance, but y 'all won the Super Bowl with Trent Denver. They don't play by the same rules. Look at the defense, though. Yeah. They're not going to let y 'all do... They're not going to let a defense do what the Ravens defense did back then. I'm talking about in today's game, the way you can't punish the receiver, you can't punish the quarterback. It'd be a flag on every play. You know what somebody had the nerve to do, too? Did they, huh? It's been a debate going on.

45:42Who is better, the 2000 Ravens defense or the Legion of Boom? I mean, man, was y 'all just born? And what are we talking about? Okay, I just want to know who's debating. That's what I answered. I answered, there is no debate. We talk about one of the best defenses of all time. Leach and the Boom was good. In history. In the history. In the 100-year history. Leach and the Boom was good. They were nice, man. They was nice. Yes. Come on, man. Come on, man. Don't do that. Their Ravens group was just a little different. Joe.

46:16Shannon Sharpe:What? There was no weakness. There are very few defenses that you're going to face that has no weakness on all three levels. There was no weakness. You couldn't run. You weren't running the ball. And they didn't blitz. So they're coming to get you with four. I guess that's the blueprint. They're coming to get you with four. Tell Joe the stat line against the Giants. The Super Bowl. All the punt, punt, punt, punt, interception, punt, punt, punt, interception, game over. Yeah. They had less than 200 yards of total offense. In a three-hour game. It wasn't even close, Joe. I know people at home didn't like it because it was like three plays punt, four plays punt five plays pick oh they would game a lot different now no that was a yes yes that was a that's a transcendent that's a historically great defense when you go back and look at the numbers just on the numbers they didn't give up 190 points the entire season it's crazy hey joe you couldn't replicate if you was on the video game playing madden you couldn't

47:40Chad Johnson:replicate here's uh the giants the giants first five possessions punt six excuse me six possessions five plays

47:54Shannon Sharpe:punt uh one place that's oh no no that's yards that's yards let me take that back let me take okay three plays punt 3 plays punt 5 plays punt 3 plays punt 2 plays pick 9 plays punt 3 plays interception 5 plays interception 3 plays punt 1 play interception Then they ran the kickback Then they went 3 plays for no yards punt 3 plays minus 4 yards punt 0 plays They fumble They punted on 3 plays and then they end the game.

48:33Chad Johnson:Them boys were stingy, wasn't it?

48:36Shannon Sharpe:Huh? So they – three, six. Oh, yeah, they was – it was –

48:43Chad Johnson:You was on the team, right? So what was practice? Yes, that was my first year, yes. What was practice like? What was practice like against that defense? What you mean what I'm praying like? That's what it looked like.

48:55Shannon Sharpe:What it looked like we did, that's what it looked like. unless somebody blew an assignment and I was able to sneak down the middle of something. There wasn't no scoring going on, man. Hell no.

49:10Hell no. Hey, if you told somebody that that didn't know football, they wouldn't even believe you. That was the real game. Hey, well, Uncle, you got me in tears, boy, when they got their start line. Hell no.

49:23Shannon Sharpe:They punted 11 times. they threw four picks and had a fumble

49:30Chad Johnson:I know them boys used to be talking so much trans doing games and prank yes oh yeah

49:41Shannon Sharpe:I was like they gave up 10 points a game hey give me an analogy give me this in basketball terms I understand in football terms give it to me in basketball terms something relevant or equal to that domination in that game.

50:00Chad Johnson:Man, I would have to give it. I don't know what I'm thinking, but I would have to give it to the Detroit Pistons when they played the Lakers, the Kobe and Shaq Lakers. What was that, Unc? That was 0-4? 0-4? I did not see Detroit competing, man. Detroit handled them boys, Ocho. You hear me? Wait, they swept them? No, they ain't sweeping them. Get them a sweep. But did they win one game, Unc?

50:25Shannon Sharpe:They did. Remember, Kobe hit that three-decent in the overtime, and they ended up winning in overtime. They lost game one. They won game two, and Kobe hit the three-decent in overtime.

50:33Chad Johnson:The Lakers had home court advantage, Ocho, man. Them boys, hey, that was a tough team, man. With Ben Wallace anchoring their defense in the middle. Yeah. And they had she crazy ass, too. Tayshaun Prince, Rip Hamilton, Chauncey Billups. Like, they played defensively. They had individuals who could move their feet and play. Like, Tayshaun was a – he was what you would call a defensive stopper. Ben Wallace is what you would call a defensive stopper. But collectively as a team, man, they was on the stream. They were in sync. Like, you know, they understood their assignment. You know what I mean? Like, you weren't going to get no easy buggers against them dudes, man.

51:09Shannon Sharpe:None.

51:10Chad Johnson:Man.

51:11Shannon Sharpe:Man. A hundred and eighty-eight points in 20 games. That's what the Ravens gave us. Y 'all just had to get something on the board, huh? The offense gets something on the board. Oh, yeah. We good. Yeah. We got – If we got up on y 'all 7-0, 10-0, and we didn't turn it over, you were done. It was over. Wait, hold on. I'm confused. The Lakers with Shaq and Kobe? Yes, man. Yeah, they beat the brakes off Shaq and Kobe. Ocho, nothing they can do, Ocho. But that's when Shaq and Kobe was at there. They was ready to be done. But they were still. They were still apex, though. They was. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

51:52Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, but Shaq wanted to get paid. Dr. Buss was ready to turn it over to Kobe. Kobe had the thing. He had what he had going on. Dr. Buss was like, you know what? I'm done with it. They ended up trading Shaq to Miami. Oh, man. Right after they lost?

52:12Chad Johnson:And, you know, Ocho, they had already won. I think they had won three prior to that. And Detroit was just a –

52:19Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, they won 99-2000-2001. The Spurs won 0-2. They lost it 0-3. That's what, you know, 0-4 season, right? So you're telling me if Kobe and Shaq actually stuck together, they could have probably won more than three?

52:37Chad Johnson:Yeah, probably, yes. They stayed on the same page, I think, so, yeah. You weren't stopping them too, man.

52:44Shannon Sharpe:But you got to understand. You had, it was like, had they been like Kobe? Had they been like Magic and Kareem? Didn't really care who got the credit and who team it was? Yes, they probably, Shaq probably, obviously rest his soul, Kobe would tell you. They probably should have won like at least five, maybe six. Yeah, damn. Yeah, they were that good. Because it's the perfect situation. It's a guard and a being.

53:13Chad Johnson:But Kobe wasn't taking no backseat.

53:16Shannon Sharpe:Kobe, you had. That's the thing. See, Magic, because you got to understand, Magic came in as a 20-year-old. Kareem won the MVP that season. Magic was the number one overall pick. Magic's finals MVP. Cab, what you need, what you want. It was Pat Riley with the Magic later in his career. and say, hey, he called Magic Buck, young Buck. He said, Buck, I need you to score more. You know what Magic asked him? You talked to Cap about that? You cleared that with Cap? Yeah, I talked to him. Okay. Say no more. Say, hey, Kobe wasn't ever going to do that. Nah, this is what you're going to get right here.

54:06Shannon Sharpe:Kobe's mindset was Kobe's an assassin. Kobe is a cold-blooded killer. and ain't nothing, hey, well, we just ain't going to win then. Because I will do what I will do.

54:18Chad Johnson:I will get my 30, yeah.

54:20Shannon Sharpe:I will get it. But that's what you have to have happen, is that you have to have guys willing to sacrifice. I don't care. I don't care who team it is, whoever gets the credit, they get the credit, blah, blah. It's like the Patriots. You're probably never going to see that again, Ocho. Not 20 years. You got 20 years of dominance. You got 20 years, nine Super Bowl appearances, six wins. Let that sink in. So basically every other year, Ocho, they damn near in the Super Bowl. Just think about it. If there is no Archie and Olivia Manning, how many Super Bowls does Brady have? Peyton beat him three times in the AFC Championship game.

55:07Shannon Sharpe:Eli beat him twice in the Super Bowl. That man might have 10, 12 rings. That's crazy, bro. That's crazy.

55:20Shannon Sharpe:So, Ocho, Terry McLaurin has been around the team for meetings and off-field activities, but offensive coordinator Cliff Kingsbury said time on task together on the grass is really the only way to continue to build. and that makes it about time for on-field work to start. I don't know exactly how much you can get out of that. I think we're kind of at the point where you need to start getting those guys when they're available out there and gelling to see where we are as an offense. Now, you know, Terry McLaurin, he and his representative has their number. I believe the commanders have a number that they're probably willing to go to.

56:06Shannon Sharpe:I don't believe they are. Damn. What's the number? Is it disrespectful?

56:16Shannon Sharpe:I mean, I saw some reports. They say 28 to 30. And he wants to be DK. He wants to be north of 33. We could do 30. We could do 30.

56:29Chad Johnson:We could do 30. So, okay, Ojo, what's this going to do? with the young boy with his top receiving weapon? What's this going to do for him, man?

56:41Shannon Sharpe:We need him out there. That's what Cliff is saying. We need to get jellied. All this is what we can be. We need guys on the field. We don't even have him on the field, let alone not playing in the preseason. He's not even on the field. No practicing at all. Him and Mike in the same boat. Hell, Trey Henderson too. Yep.

57:02Chad Johnson:Yeah, I think those are unfortunate, man. Those are the unfortunate professional sports, obviously football, because it's so glaring. You know what I mean? Like, you know, you know, Daniels is definitely going to need him. Oh, yeah. Need him out there to be successful. So, I don't know, man. I don't know what these owners be thinking about, man. I was thinking that, you know, this stuff would get disputed, get settled, you know, before the season started. But we down to what, one more game? That's it? hold on Joe they do y 'all like this too what's that in the NBA when it's time to get paid they

57:38Shannon Sharpe:like oh no we don't want to no they don't do that they don't do that it happens but it don't happen

57:44Chad Johnson:the way football like you know it don't necessarily lingers over to camp when camp start you already pretty much settled into what you got going now you could be on your last year your deal and want a new contract and you may not get it but you ain't gonna be holding out right okay okay oh They won't do that to you. Nah, them boys ain't going to be home.

58:04Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, the top players getting the max contract. No matter what. I mean, what are we doing with Shea? We're going to give him the max. Jokic's like, nah, I ain't ready to sign. I'll sign next year. I'm going to see what y 'all are going to do. You see Luka. Luka says, you know what? I'll do three years. In 28, I'll be able to be the first$80 million a year player. So, I mean, you see guys getting five years, 125.

58:29Chad Johnson:guys getting five years like standard that's like standard rate now oh so 120 125 and and alter reef turned down like 15 to 20 million a year he's like i want 30 yeah because he know he's gonna be able to get it i want to know what what we're doing over here for the hawks i see uh trey ain't got no new contract he going into this season uh uh on this final year his deal

58:52Shannon Sharpe:yeah yeah they're gonna take me ever yeah yeah i'm surprised i'm surprised by that you know what

58:58Chad Johnson:they're doing no joke. I'm sitting back like everybody else. I'm waiting to see him.

59:04Shannon Sharpe:Because, I mean, what's a Max deal for him? A Max deal for him has got to be similar to Luca.

59:07Chad Johnson:Yeah, you know, him and Luca was in the same draft class. They actually got traded for one another.

59:12Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, but let me ask you this. Has he been an all-NBA selection? He should have been. Man, look. He should have made the all-struck at you.

59:20Chad Johnson:You go look at Trae Young's stats. You can go past three years, four, five years. I'm saying from a point guard standpoint, Arkin Ocho, he makes the guys around him better. He's led the league in assists. That goes unnoticed. I don't know why, but it goes unnoticed so much. I mean, he does so much for this team. You know, it just it don't make no sense to me. It's like if you end up losing Trey, I mean, I don't know what you plan on doing. I don't know who y 'all That's what I'm saying. Like the star power that he has here and that he brings and, you know, I just look forward to the Hawks being, I look forward to the Hawks being a top five team this year.

1:00:00Chad Johnson:I'm going to watch you on the Eastern Conference. Top five? Yeah. Well, hold on. Wait.

1:00:09Shannon Sharpe:Who they signed out in the name?

1:00:11Chad Johnson:Top five who? Top five what? We got, they got Porzingis. They went and got the kid from Minnesota, Alexandra. Okay, the kid, Alexandra Walker. And then, you hope to grow them. And then we have Jalen Johnson back who was injured pretty much all of last year. And you hope the growth and maturity of the young guys, they catch on at a faster pace. Dyson Daniels. You know what I mean? They got some great pieces, man. It's wide open in the East this year. Oh, yeah, Ochoa, we got jobs.

1:00:42Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I agree. We're going to be in front of the Heat. But I believe Detroit's going to be better. I believe Detroit will be better. The Knicks are going to be there. The Celtics, I think they take a step back. Cleveland, I think Cleveland will be there. Orlando, Orlando. The Pacers go take a step back. No Halle, no Miles Garrett. I mean, Miles Turner. Orlando. I think they take a step back. So you could be right. You could be right, Joe.

1:01:10Chad Johnson:Because we're going to be better than Miami. We got Miami this year, Ocho. Who? The Heat? The Heat? Yeah, we got y 'all this year, brother. Listen, no disrespect to Atlanta. no disrespect to the Hawks and their players come on Joe don't do that them boys ain't talk about nothing man they ain't talk about nothing what you mean nah you said better than the heat yeah hold on you talking about Pat Riley heat Eric Spolster heat alright okay you won't bet nothing make it light on yourself brother you already in the hole now we need to get me out I owe you$100, Joe. I owe you$100. Like, come on. I'm just saying, man.

1:01:57Chad Johnson:If I had it put up somewhere, I could be drawing some pictures on that little 100. You know what I mean? Matter of fact, I give that 100 to work on your Wi-Fi. I got you. Oh, man. Okay. Okay. All right.

1:02:12Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Joe, Joe, the Browns will evaluate Dillon Gabriel's hamstring Saturday morning, but they are optimistic the rookie will start. the preseason game against the Eagles per Jeremy Fowler. Gabriel strained his hamstring on August 2nd and didn't return to full participation in practice until this week. Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Shador Sanders will not play this week. Shador was hurt in Wednesday joint practice and could return to practice next week and play in the preseason finale. What are we expecting, Ocho? I'm expecting Dylan Gabriel to play. I ain't trying to hear nothing about no hamstrings and all that.

1:02:50You ain't that fast. You're not that explosive anyway. I need you to get out there and compete. I want to see what you look like without the green and gold on. I want to see what you look like in that brown, when the lights are on, when that pressure's on, you know, especially after what Shadour was able to do. You were the third-round pick. I need you to go out there and show me why you were the third-round pick. That's it. That's what you want to do. I wish him nothing but the best, but I want to see it.

1:03:20Chad Johnson:I'm with you, Ocho. I want to see some – we need to be able to put something on film so we can look at it and assess and be like, okay, we've seen some bright spots, we've seen some not-so-bright spots. But we need to have something we can go off of. Hey, look, it's mighty funny to me, man, all these guys having these hamstring injuries. I know the hamstring in the back, you can't detect that. I'd have been around guys who done played hooky on some of these injuries now.

1:03:49Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I mean, it's a situation where, like, the mechanics, I mean, a lot of it might be fatigued. You might be dehydrated. Your mechanics might be off. I mean, the body's funny. I know one thing. Too many players are getting hurt. Too many players are getting hurt. You see what I'm talking about? We talk about nutrition and we talk about diet and doing all this stuff that really has no bearings or the long NFL playing this type of sport. You see what I mean? We got Kenny Pickett hamstring. We got something wrong with Dylan Gabriel with his hamstring. I'm telling you what these NFL teams need to do.

1:04:24I'm telling you what they need to do. What's that? They need to bring me in, and I have a plan. I can do everything with a PowerPoint presentation to keep these fellas and stop them from getting hurt. Okay, the game has changed, right? The NFL is protecting the players now more today than ever. I played during the era. It was a firing squad out there when you're playing football. I managed to do it for 11 years with no injuries. None. Zero. Zilch. Not a pull. Not a strain. Not a nothing. So obviously, I did something right that can help these young bulls with that's playing this day's game. how you hurt in his preseason.

1:05:08You just got to camp two weeks ago. Them boys out there working hard, man. That's where that goes for you, too. You oblique? I don't know. Where's the goddamn oblique at, Joe?

1:05:18Chad Johnson:Where you oblique at? Hey, that's in your mid, your core. You turn in motion. That's in your throwing motion. I can see how he kind of tweaked that. You can't see that, Ojo? Yes.

1:05:28Shannon Sharpe:That's a very common injury for a quarterback.

1:05:30Chad Johnson:I mean, where's that, though?

1:05:32Shannon Sharpe:Your side. Oblique. I got something for that. I got something for that. I could have you do it back in two days. You talk about your oblique hurt? Boy, get you some Vicks Vapor Rub, right? Get you some Vicks Vapor Rub. Rub it on the area where you hurt at, right? Get you some candle wax. Light a candle and let it melt a little bit. Take the wax and put the wax on the area. It's going to sizzle. It's going to hurt when it first hits you, though. but that mixture of Vicks Vaporub and that candle wax is going to pull all that swelling and everything please do not tell me this at home

1:06:10Chad Johnson:right up out of there that man didn't even know what oblique was at well he got a whole remedy he got a remedy for it I didn't know where it was at but I know how to cure the area because it's the strain it must be a strain or a pull and I got something for that

1:06:29Shannon Sharpe:I just think the guy I don't think the guys take enough time off. These guys training. They don't get about their chance to recover. They'd be out there turning up, man, when the football season over. I don't know. Yeah, they'd turn up, but they'd be out there training.

1:06:44Chad Johnson:Hey, look, bro, take two months off. I want to see these quarterbacks. I'm going to be honest with y 'all. I want to see them in a little better shape, Uncle Ocho. Like, you know, I'm – Nah, the worse shape they're in, the better they can throw the football.

1:06:58Shannon Sharpe:Nah, nah. Why you say that? You ever see Peyton Maddy with a shirt on? Yeah, I know, man. Tom Brady,

1:07:05Chad Johnson:Ben, Drew, Elway, Burrito. These dual quarterbacks nowadays. These dual quarterbacks, so they're going to need to be in at least shape to be able to do both. They're in shape, but from here to waist? You got to tighten it up. They got to tighten it up. Nah. They got to tighten it up, man. I'm going to get them boys right, man.

1:07:28Shannon Sharpe:I'm going to get them boys. Nah, they don't want no tight shoulders. They don't want no biceps. They don't want no triceps. They ain't got no abs. Hey. I don't know. Why is that? Because they got to be able to throw that ball. They got to be able to spin that ball. They can't have no tight shoulders. It's like a baseball, like a pitcher. They don't do nothing about it. You see, look at pitchers. What pitcher you ever seen with abs? Mm-mm. You got to be fluid through there. That's why they good at golf. Yeah. the best who are the who are the best players at golf quarterbacks baseball players basketball players because they don't have all this

1:08:13Chad Johnson:they're not tight yeah i ain't i ain't i ain't saying they got to be bench pressing 400 squatting 600 i'm just saying man they got you got to tighten it up a little bit oh you just gave me an idea too huh hey joe you got to come with us me and me and i'm gonna start the show like streaming, right? Yeah. That vengeance of Uncle Ocho. It'll be the adventures of Uncle Ocho and Joe. Okay. Hey, hold on, hold on. Because like I say, hey, cut me in or cut it out, all right? Yeah, yeah. Joe can't do nothing. Y 'all bad. Joe, we going to be in a left Joe ass behind. Hold on, hold on. Okay, Ocho, hold on, hold on.

1:08:49Chad Johnson:I get this little splint thing took off my leg on the 29th. I'm out here with the shakers and moving, baby. I'm outside. What we doing? we do all kinds of stuff that that people normally wouldn't be able to see us do fishing hunting you know just doing like you know crazy stuff like I'm just I'm just mentioning golf hell shoot I done played golf with Tiger Woods before let me show you my swing hey I can golf man look at my swing can you see me hey look at my shoulder yeah we see you yeah go ahead look how my shoulders my shoulders are parallel with my feet okay yeah hold my club hold my club like that alright okay check my technique out now alright I'm looking

1:09:39Shannon Sharpe:oh no yeah you done broke the wrist at the top your wrist broke at the top watch how it break watch my wrist

1:09:48Chad Johnson:nah that ain't gonna get it no no no

1:09:52Shannon Sharpe:oh Joe this bottom this bottom it's got to stay straight he got it that inside pole arm

1:10:00Chad Johnson:got to stay straight my brother

1:10:01Shannon Sharpe:look at your left arm wait huh the left that's the bottom arm you right handed golfer the left arm needs to stay straight through the motion

1:10:16Chad Johnson:hey yeah y 'all let me know when y 'all want to get on the golf course because Ocho is sweet I know I got for sure. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. Hey. I had on one set and I played 18 holes, right? I eagled four times. How long? What? In one day. You eagled four times? Yeah, at Augusta. I was in Georgia. I was in Georgia. It was me, Scotty Scheffler, Tiger Woods, and what's his buddy's name? Me, Tiger Woods. Roy McEnroe. No, it wasn't Roy. It wasn't Roy. It was the other one. Oh, Joe. John. No, no, no. It wasn't John. I know John. DJ. It wasn't John Rom. It was John Rom. Keegan Bradley. Now me and John follow each other on Twitter.

1:11:00It was John.

1:11:01Chad Johnson:O-Tone. O-Tone.

1:11:04Shannon Sharpe:Hey, I'm a hell of a... Joe, you see that guy on the live? He shot 59 with a double bogey. What? Guy shot 59 with a double bogey. He shot 59 with a double bogey. He went on the birdie 13 of the last 14 holes. I didn't see that. Well, he like me.

1:11:25Chad Johnson:Yeah. Man, man, I can go. Oh, hey, hey. I can go, bro. I'll show you my club right now. My club's right here in the closet. Hey, listen. I got some club, but I don't know why we talk. My brother, why we talking, though? Seriously, man. That pool table and that ping pong tournament. Come on, man.

1:11:44Shannon Sharpe:Come on.

1:11:45Chad Johnson:Oh, man.

1:11:46Shannon Sharpe:Here we go. Oh, Efren Reyes. Don't get him started, man. Don't get him started. Be Minnesota fans. Be Willie Mascone. Be Steve Miserable. I'm Efren Reyes. I'm Joey Unk, and I mean no disrespect. I love y 'all to death, man, but there are three things in life. You might be able to outdo me in other things, other sports, you know, things that you guys are more accustomed to when it comes to ping pong, when it comes to pool, and when it comes to bowling. Please stay within your lane. Man, please. Stay within your lane. I already know I'm the best in the house with a shooting pool. You don't even got no pool stick.

1:12:29Where your pool stick? I got a personal pool stick. They used to call me sugar cane, man. What did you talk about? My pool stick looked like a sugar cane. They called me sugar cane, Joe.

1:12:40Chad Johnson:I know one thing, boy. Y 'all sure talk a good game, boy. I'm not talking a good game. I used to be at the pool hall on 54th and 12th Avenue down here in Miami. Hey, no, for real, we got to link up for like a little pool tournament in the pink. I'm going to tell you, I know both of y 'all suite. I can tell. I can tell. Hey, hold on. They got a pool table in Magic City? All right, no. No. Okay, well, we can put one in there because that's where we need to go. Ain't no point in playing pool. I mean, I can call Magic to see, but I don't think they do. I call Magic. Let's put a pool table in there so we can have some food.

1:13:15We can use our peripheral vision, and we can play pool.

1:13:18Shannon Sharpe:No, I need to concentrate.

1:13:27Shannon Sharpe:What we playing, Joe? What we playing? We playing eight balls, we playing nine balls. We playing eight balls. Okay. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Listen to me. Because I like you. Because you know I play nine balls. I play five and nine in the money balls. That's what we do. Let me tell y 'all something.

1:13:39Chad Johnson:What? Five on the – hey,$5 on the five and 10 on the nine. Let me tell y 'all something, boy. I'm not going to play no silly games with y 'all, okay? Ooh-wee, boy. I'm going to take y 'all up some category. You do not, Joe. You too tall. You too tall. I know you going to take a - Well, that's my advantage. That's my advantage. There ain't no advantage. Yeah. You got your own pool. Do you have your own pool stick? Yes, sir. What, you want me to show it to you? Yes. Mine right here. I told you what they called me growing up. They called me sugar cane because my pool stick like a sugar cane. This ain't, man.

1:14:08This not what y 'all do, man.

1:14:09Chad Johnson:What kind of stick you got? You got to break yours down or it's just like one? I got to break it down. Mine comes through you. You can break it. I got the one I break down. Yeah, mine come in three. My stick come in three. That's how I know. Hey, Chad, this is going to be sweet, Chad. Hey, we got to record.

1:14:26Shannon Sharpe:Ain't nothing sweet. Ain't nothing sweet. Ain't nothing sweet by the old M for Red. Don't play with me, Joe. Joe, stop playing with me. Stop playing. Hey, Joe. How you want me to do it? How you want me to do it, Joe? How you want me to do it, Joe? Joe, that's them$20 sticks from Dick's Sporting Girls, Joe. I got a pool table upstairs That's$20 from dicks man I beat you with a golf filler While you over there Bubbing your gum I get a broomstick Talk about you gonna beat us Nah man he can't play man He got that cheap ad$20 dick Sporting good pool stick Come on man tighten up man I tell you what I get a better one when you pay me my money Oh, we.

1:15:13Shannon Sharpe:Oh, we. Oh, we.

1:15:16Chad Johnson:He said my foot in.

1:15:17Shannon Sharpe:Look at Joe, the lost signal. Look at Joe.

1:15:19Chad Johnson:What?

1:15:22Chad Johnson:What happened?

1:15:28Shannon Sharpe:I see you. Why you over there talking? You see how you over there talking, Joe? You see how you over there talking? Oh, that's the$20 booth. You see how you over there talking, Joe? Hey, just because the pool sticks come in too at Dick's Sporting Goods. They cost$30. Like, come on. No, they don't. The pool sticks at Dick don't come. They're not. They're solid Q. Nah. Nah. Nah. Hey, I get a broomstick and beat them, Joe. Hey, look. I already know what you're saying. And you got to call your shots out too. You got to call your shots out. Call out the number and the pocket.

1:16:03Chad Johnson:Right. Absolutely. Absolutely. Really? Absolutely.

1:16:07Shannon Sharpe:God. Y 'all know I got on short. I got on short. Y 'all just think I got on short? Come on, now. Damn. Y 'all just think I'm sitting up in the same button ball. Damn.

1:16:23Shannon Sharpe:I was sitting down. I got on short. Hey, Ben's in the house. Me and Alfred Reyes. Hey, we're going to have to play 20 games. He beat me like 13-7. When was this? probably about 20 years ago.

1:16:42Chad Johnson:You remember that thing we were talking about, rhythm and timing? Yeah. I don't know. Y 'all probably ain't been shooting that much. You know, I shoot pretty often. I ain't no dude just off the street that ain't never held a pool stick. I grew up in this thing. There are three things I don't leave home without. My credit cards, my car keys, and my pool stick. It's always in the car. It's always in the car. I keep that thing on me. I keep that thing on me man don't do that man y 'all don't play y 'all just talking about something that you like to do as a hobby come on man like I really do this man look here I know I can be look I don't you're not gonna beat me shooting pool but I will you not either Joe this is the kind of stuff this is the kind of stuff we have to have on stream you know Hey, Joe, you know how I caution that and Aiden Ross and him.

1:17:35Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know how they stream? Yeah. Like, we don't have one for the older folks. Oh, man. We don't have nothing. Nobody's tapped into that space. So, Joe, we have our own show called The Adventures of Unc, Joe, and Ocho. And then just us doing all the stuff that grown folk do, like playing dominoes, playing stage.

1:17:55Shannon Sharpe:Like I was sitting up here to say butt ball. Playing tunk.

1:17:57Chad Johnson:Yeah, I can see all that. All the good stuff. What? Hold on.

1:18:01Shannon Sharpe:Oh, you trying to play Tung too, Joe?

1:18:03Chad Johnson:Man, come on now. What y 'all want to do, man? Wait, so now I guess you can beat us in Tung too.

1:18:12Shannon Sharpe:Yes, man. Yes. Ocho. Ocho. Well, first of all, Tung ain't no team game, Ocho. I just want you to know everybody for themselves in Tung. I know, I know. Since we talk about Tung, we might as well add the goddamn Dominoes too and add Uno. I don't play no Dominoes, but I play Uno. I can play Checker. You play? Don't play Checker?

1:18:29Chad Johnson:Well, listen, we have to see your Uno rules first. Everybody ain't got the same rule when it comes to Uno. We playing the old school rules. I am not playing all this new stuff they be talking about today. I'm playing the old school rules how you should play back in the day.

1:18:42Shannon Sharpe:What's the old school rules? So you drop it down reverse? You drop it down skip? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. Draw four, draw two, draw two. Listen, if you drop a draw two, and I'm supposed to, and I have a draw two, two, I can drop that two right on top of you now. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I play the simple, the simple rule, all that new stuff they coming up with, man. They listen. They gentrifying Uno. That's what they've done. They gentrify Uno. Yeah. But I know I know I beat y 'all in pools. That's for sure. Strong hands built America and kept it running for 250 years. Strong hands also keep Copenhagen moving today.

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