Nightcap Hour 1: VCU TAKES DOWN North Carolina in Round 1 of MARCH MADNESS + Duke SURVIVES SCARE from Siena + AJ Dybantsa & BYU Get BOUNCED by Texas + High Point UPSETS Wisconsin

12:50Shannon Sharpe:They got to get the ball out of your hand.

12:52Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah, I agree with you, Unc. When you get a guy who get it going like that, you got to try to turn his wad off. You got to sit in two, throw him off rhythm, you know, make him give it up a few possessions, then let him get it. Yes. But, yeah, I agree with you, Unc. They didn't make no adjustments. And this is what you get. You know, when we out there competing, bro, it's hard for Kast to really be like, hey man, come on, switch. Let me get him for a minute. You know what I mean? He tearing you up. You know what I mean? I don't want that hit it. And that prime kick, he just scored a few. He like, damn, I got him.

13:24Chad Johnson:I got him. I got him.

13:26Shannon Sharpe:But I think -

13:27Chad Johnson:And we saw this tonight with Luka.

13:28Shannon Sharpe:They let Luka play one-on-one. I don't know what Spoh was thinking. You just saw your guy score 83 less than a week ago.

13:35Chad Johnson:Yeah.

13:36Shannon Sharpe:So you mean to tell me you're gonna let Luka to play one on one, all he was doing was calling for the high pick. Okay, he go, hey, he get a, what's the one they got, they just got from the Clippers. They traded from the Clippers, I forget it. Norman Powell.

13:48Chad Johnson:Yeah.

13:49Shannon Sharpe:Womp, womp, womp, womp. I mean, step back after step back after step back. Hey, hey.

13:56Chad Johnson:When he gonna make it there, when he tell you when he making that, bro, I'm talking about as deep as he shoot, he can shoot it with a hand in his face. Man, 60 points, bro. 60. Look what a game, man, fellas. Look at the scoring. That's why, you know, this is what people want to see. They want to see these dudes put up these type numbers, man. 60.

14:18Shannon Sharpe:But I just, it's going to be, considering Ocho and Joe, considering who North Carolina is, it's going to be hard for Hubert Davis to go in there and convince the alumni, the boosters, and the president that he should remain in this role, given. Bro, look at these. Come on, man. That's Carolina. That's Carolina. That's Coach Smith. That's Roy. Best play out, Coach. Best play out. You had a 19-point Ocho. That's like you played with Carson's not there. You got a 24-point lead, and then how do you go to the media and say, well, we couldn't well, you know we was missing Carson. Well, you didn't have Carson when you built the 24-point lead.

15:02Shannon Sharpe:So what happened? So you can't, if you lose this game, if it's nip and tump, I can give you that. If you get blown out, I can give you, we don't have our best player. But you didn't have your best player and you built a 19-point lead. So now you can't use we didn't have our best player argument to reason why you lost the game. You lost the game because when one team made the adjustments to cool you off, you didn't make the adjustments to cool their best player off. Yeah. There has to be, like, okay, a chance. When you play a chance, okay, you got moves. But you got, okay, if you see where he's going, you got the counter moves.

15:46Shannon Sharpe:You got the counter. You just can't keep going the same course of action. And that's what Huber Davis did. He didn't make any adjustments. He rarely make any adjustments.

15:56Chad Johnson:Yeah. I wonder what his recruiting class looks like. I think that'll probably determine a lot too. You know what I'm saying? Does he have any top guys who've committed to North Carolina?

16:12Shannon Sharpe:More time than not, the one and dones, they go into Duke first and foremost. Now you see Cal. You see Cal getting a bunch of them now at Arkansas, where it was basically Duke and Kentucky for all the one and dones. They were getting all the one and dones. So if there were 12 one-and-dones, those two teams had 10 of them.

16:35Chad Johnson:Yeah.

16:36Shannon Sharpe:Kansas might have got one, and then somebody else got arbitrarily had 10.

16:39Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah.

16:41Joe Johnson:You know what you need, though, huh?

16:43Chad Johnson:What's that? Instead of finding Joe, you need to go to the boosters,

16:47Joe Johnson:go to whoever's in positions of power. I need a little bit more money to get the players we need to to be able to compete in these tournaments.

16:54Chad Johnson:That's why I asked.

16:55Shannon Sharpe:But here's the thing, Ocho and Joe. Do you believe he can get you ready for the NFL? because when they go to Ohio State, what does the track record show? Those receivers go to the NFL. Those D linemen go to the NFL. Those offensive linemen go to the NFL. Those linebackers go to the NFL. When you go to Bama, so you going to some arbitrary school, can he get me ready to go play in the NFL? Can they get me ready to go play in the NBA? Because that's how I'm stopping off. I'm going to class the first semester. After Christmas, I ain't going back to class no more.

17:27Joe Johnson:Hey, you know what? We know it's funny, too, Uncle. Think about it, too. You look at some of these players that go to the Alabamas, especially when it comes to football, when they go to the Alabamas, they go to the Ohio States, they already prepped it NFL-ready. It's just about going to the right institution, fine-tune all the other things and attributes that you need to be able to get to that next level. North Carolina is that type of program. All it is is about how do I attract the players that can be NBA-ready or that can be prepped for the NBA, how do I get them to come here? If we understand how college is now with the NIL money, hell, what's the one way to get them?

18:04Joe Johnson:You got to pay them. You got to pay to play. That's the most of the teams that are winning now, whether it's college, I mean, whether it's football or basketball, money talks. This is the business now. This ain't like college in the old days. We're not going to North Carolina just because Michael Jordan went there. Just because some of the other prestige players that played in the NBA went there. No, we're trying to get to that bag.

18:27Chad Johnson:Hey, listen. Go ahead, Ocho. I think even when you look at Coach Kyle's situation, Uncle Ocho, at the University of Arkansas, you know, he catered to the players. He lets you know, man, I'm only playing seven guys. I'm only playing seven guys, Uncle Ocho. He're telling that? Yeah, that's what he telling them. Yeah, he telling them, I'm only playing seven guys. This is how it's going to go. So, you know, you got a real understanding. You respect a coach, man, who can be straightforward with you like that. You know what I mean? and he's like the portal. He's like the segue to the NBA for guards, bro.

19:02Chad Johnson:He got, he got, I mean, he going to have two guards go to the league this year. Yeah. Yeah.

19:08Shannon Sharpe:I think the thing is, Ocho, is that if you look at Carolina's history, they haven't had a whole lot. They haven't, basically since Roy left, they haven't had that cavalcade of guys going to the NBA. They've been Duke because you see the Brandon Ingrams, you see the Jason Tatum, you see the Zion Williamson, You see the Cooper flag, the Conknepple. You see the Jalen Johnson. You see boom, boom, boom. Well, that's where I'm going. You saw this with Alabama. You see this with Ohio State. That's where I'm going. We understand what used to be. Oklahoma doesn't get the same level of player that they once did.

19:44Shannon Sharpe:USC doesn't get the same level of player they once did. So in my process, I'm thinking, okay, Joe, I can get a million dollars to go here or let's just say 500 ,000 I get 500 ,000 to go here I get 500 ,000 to go to Duke or I can get 600 ,000 to go to North Carolina where am I going? Duke exactly so unless the money is just astronomical now you're talking about 500 ,000 versus a million that's something but$100 ,000 and I know what Duke's track record is Zion Williamson number one overall draft pick. Brandon Ingram, number two pick. Jason Tatum, number three pick. Cooper Flagg, number one overall.

20:28Shannon Sharpe:Conklin, top six, top five, top six. I see Jalen Johnson. I see all these guys year after year after year after year. I see R.J. Barrett. I see Cam Reddish. Nah, bro, I'm good. I'm just being honest.

20:47Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe, look what you just said, right? so with you understanding that right you still want to give coach a little grace and understanding that I'm not getting the players I need to be able to compete because are everybody going to other places because the money is better

21:02Shannon Sharpe:he can't attract them

21:11Shannon Sharpe:he can't attract them that's a problem in and of itself too yes sir I don't care what type of club you got You're relatable to these players, man. If you want the high rollers to come, what you got to have, Ocho?

21:24Joe Johnson:They got to have that money, bro.

21:26Shannon Sharpe:You got to have them fans. You got to have them – when you go to the club, when you go to the club, they got about 30 of the fans standing right out there right in front of you. And they usher them right on in.

21:37Joe Johnson:Yes, sir.

21:38Shannon Sharpe:Because when the guys see those, they going to go in there with a bottle service. That's how it works. So you have to have something to attract them. you're not catching a lion or a tiger with an empty trap you better throw a carcass in there a zebra a eel a wild beast or something something you got to attract him with something hey and i'm not so sure north carolina just the tar hill and the jump man brand i'm not so sure that's enough uh anymore guys hey they got joe they got to call mike

22:13Joe Johnson:Mike, we need to open up the water a little bit more.

22:17Chad Johnson:The playing field too even now. Yeah, for sure. There ain't really no advantages no more to go to North Carolina. Nope. You know what I mean? If you good, they're going to find you, partner.

22:30Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

22:30Chad Johnson:Nowadays, it's too much going on. It's too many ways to be visible. And the way the streaming thing is going, they stream everything, so they ain't going to miss you.

22:47Shannon Sharpe:you remember Alabama? Remember how Alabama had that thing on the chokehold, all the five stars for about 10, 15 years.

22:55Joe Johnson:The receivers and running backs. Back to back. Back to back. Matter of fact, the funny part to me is I'm confused. Why do players, especially if you look at the production that came out of Alabama, they had no problem sitting behind each other waiting they turn. They could have been anywhere. They was going to find you regardless.

23:17Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. When you got Mark Ingram, you got Derrick Henry, you got Alvin Kamara, you got a Drake, Kenyon Drake, TJ Yeldon. Yeah. And you just pumping them out. Yeah. You got to go because if you don't go to the NFL, you might be on the bench. That ain't going to look good.

23:34Joe Johnson:No.

23:35Shannon Sharpe:That is not going to look good. Hey, your freshman year, you rushed for 900 yards. Your sophomore year, you a backup.

23:41Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah.

23:42Shannon Sharpe:So you got to go. Those wide receivers, you get Julio and you get Ridley and you get Amari Cooper because here come Jerry Judy, here come Jalen Waddell, here come Henry Ruggs, here come Devontae Smith. They coming. You got J-Mo, they coming. You got to leave.

24:00Joe Johnson:Yeah.

24:01Shannon Sharpe:It ain't that complicated.

24:03Joe Johnson:Yeah.

24:04Shannon Sharpe:You got to leave. Same thing with the DBs. Look at those DBs. They pumping them out.

24:10Joe Johnson:Sertain.

24:12Shannon Sharpe:Arnold. Minka. Yeah, they have some good ones, boy. McKinney.

24:19Chad Johnson:It's a new day.

24:21Shannon Sharpe:I'm done with North Carolina. I'ma find me a new team. Oh, that was your squad? Yeah. Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

24:29Chad Johnson:Oh, man.

24:31Joe Johnson:Where you, where you from?

24:35Shannon Sharpe:We're from Georgia.

24:36Joe Johnson:Okay, how is North Carolina your squad if you from Georgia? Are you just?

24:40Shannon Sharpe:I don't know. You got to realize, Ocho, this go way back. I first came acquainted with North Carolina. North Carolina came on my radar in 1981. They lost the national championship game to Indiana and Isaiah. That was the same night that the assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan's life. Okay, they lost. Isaiah, Randy Whitman, Rolando Turner. Yeah. They had James Worthy. They had Jimmy Black. They lost. The next year, guess who comes in the next year? a guy with his tongue hanging out his mouth Jordan yes and guess who they played for the national championship Georgetown and Patrick Ewing yeah yeah yeah so we go back 40 plus I go back 40 plus years with them

25:24Joe Johnson:hold on I got another question I'm glad you said that so you became a North Carolina fan once when they lost to Isaiah then Jordan came in the following year because Jordan was there now I'm a fan of North Carolina so that means you're a fan of Jordan yeah I like Jordan yes okay so who's the greatest NBA player of all time

25:46Shannon Sharpe:LeBron two things can be true I can like Jordan but LeBron is a better player it's subjective

25:53Chad Johnson:yeah

25:55Shannon Sharpe:we go back yeah when Kenny Smith and they had Sam Perkins they had Matt Doherty what's Kenny Smith he went to North Carolina he was on the team not on that national championship team He was on the team two years after. Two years after. Okay. Yeah.

26:18Chad Johnson:Now, they had a squad now. They had a squad. Yeah.

26:21Shannon Sharpe:Oh, when they had Rasheed Wallace and Stackhouse and J.R. Reid.

26:24Chad Johnson:Yeah.

26:24Shannon Sharpe:Oh, that one used to be loaded.

26:26Chad Johnson:Hey, when they had Vince Carter and Antoine Jamison over there too now.

26:30Shannon Sharpe:Yes. Yes. Well, you know Coach Smith, Coach Demet, then he turned them over to Coach Guthrie.

26:35Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah.

26:36Shannon Sharpe:Remember, because he didn't want to lead the cupboard bear.

26:38Chad Johnson:Yeah. Hey, them boys was a show.

26:41Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

26:46Shannon Sharpe:Tell me about you an MJ fan. I've been an MJ fan.

26:49Joe Johnson:Yeah, I was just curious. I thought I had you. I thought I had you in the corner real quick.

26:53Shannon Sharpe:Nah, nah, nah. You fixed it? Number one overall seed, Duke, survived number 16, Sienna, by rallying. They were down 13 at the half, but they come back to win by 6, 71-65. The top seeded Blue Devils needed a late rally to overcome a double-digit deficit. Duke became the first number one seed to trail by double digits, 11, to a 16 seed at the half. Duke is the eighth number one seed in NCAA tournament history to win by six or fewer points against a 16 seed. The three of the previous seven lost their next game, the only one to win on to reach the Final Four. Georgetown won by one, lost in the Elite Eight in 89.

27:33Shannon Sharpe:Was that the Princeton game? I think that might have been the Princeton game. Oklahoma 89 1 by 1 lost in Sweet 16 Purdue Michigan State Michigan Duke in 26 Gonzaga and Illinois Illinois that's when they had what you call them that was that was Kendall Gill and Nick Anderson who was this Illinois in 1989 I think Kendall Gill and Nick at night was on that team. Hey, can the Gale play for the Supersonics, huh?

28:10Joe Johnson:Huh? Can the Gale play for the Supersonics? I think so.

28:17Chad Johnson:I don't remember if he did. I remember him playing for the...

28:21Shannon Sharpe:If I'm not mistaken, I think that was the 89 team. Wasn't that Lou Henson?

28:32Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, Marcus Liberty, yeah. Mr. Basketball, yeah. Yeah. Hey, Duke got lucky. Duke got lucky today, y 'all.

28:39Joe Johnson:They did. Hey, Joe, if Duke was playing anyone else outside of Siena, they could have lost that game.

28:47Chad Johnson:They could have lost to Siena.

28:49Joe Johnson:See this - I mean, they could have, but them goddamn Boozer boys is hell to deal with.

28:53Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

28:53Joe Johnson:They got down, Evans was balling too.

28:57Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

28:58Joe Johnson:But a better team, Joe, a better team outside of Siena, they win this game, especially being up double points.

29:04Chad Johnson:Well, the thing is, Duke, they starting point guard went down. I forgot his name, but he ain't been playing. I think he out-out. And when you got two freshmen in your lineup, obviously they brothers, they twin brothers. They both played well tonight, Uncle Ocho the Boozle boys. They both played well to get them boys over the hump. But if it wasn't for that, because it was looking shaky. I seen them down 10. I said, hold up.

29:31Shannon Sharpe:They washed them on the glass, though. They were plus 12 on the glass. Cameron Boozer, you know, he had 22, but he hadn't been shooting the ball. He got most of his points at the free throw line. But he's a load on the glass.

29:44Chad Johnson:Oh, yeah.

29:44Shannon Sharpe:You got to keep him off the glass now.

29:47Chad Johnson:Yeah, you got to keep him off the glass. You got to make him work, too. You can't just let him walk down there and just stand right there on the box. Like I say, you got to start bumping and grinding from the three-point line. As soon as he crosses half court, Ocho, I'm hitting him with that shoulder. I'm catching him right there at the free throw line. All the way down to the block. I got to weigh you down. Yeah.

30:04Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. You can't let him walk you down, though, Joe.

30:06Chad Johnson:No, you can't. You can't. Hey, I'm going to tell you something. Any of these guys who can put the ball in the basket, these scores, especially in college, because when I'm watching, I'm looking how they playing defense. Obviously, when you get into the NBA, defense is a lot different, man. Guys really know how to play. They know how to bump, grind. The little nuances of the game they can get away with. But I don't know how far Duke can go, man. They didn't really impress me today.

30:33Shannon Sharpe:I ain't got them going to the final four, I know that. I think I got them winning maybe one more game.

30:39Chad Johnson:Yeah. That's it? That's it. It's just hard playing on that neutral site, bro. Like you ain't really no advantage, Ojo. Yeah. That's why -

30:49Joe Johnson:Hey, Duke travel well now.

30:51Chad Johnson:Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

30:53Joe Johnson:So it'll feel like a home game even though you're not playing at home. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

31:01Shannon Sharpe:Look, all the, you know, your Dukes and your Carolinas, teams like that that are basketball power, they're going to travel. Just like Ohio State and Alabama, your football power, they're going to travel. Georgia, they're going to travel. They're going to travel. This is, hey. And they're number one. They're good for a long, long time. Yeah.

31:20Chad Johnson:And they rank number one. They are number one overall. Yeah, number one overall team. So, yeah, you know they're going to travel.

31:26Shannon Sharpe:Mm-hmm. And, you know, Coach K, I mean, Duke is synonymous with Coach K. He was there for such a long time. I remember the first time they first met when he played for the national championship in 86, and they lost to Purvis Nelson when they had Tommy American and Johnny Dawkins, Jay Billis. Yeah, yeah. And they lost to Purvis Nelson in 86, Louisville. And he's just been getting – he's just been getting players there, too. Now, Greg Hill, Thomas Hill, Christian Lake, the Cherokee Park, Trajan Labby, just on and on and on and on and on. Go ahead, don't you want to say something? No, no, no. I'm listening.

32:08Shannon Sharpe:I'm listening.

32:12Shannon Sharpe:But Duke, hey, what did they say? What's the theme? Survive in advance.

32:17Chad Johnson:That's what you got to do.

32:18Shannon Sharpe:And that's exactly what Duke did. Number 11, Texas, gets past A.J. DeBonza and the BYU Cougars, 79-71. A.J. DeBonza played every minute of the game, but it wasn't enough as BYU has its season and probably his college career come to an end. DeBonza, 35 points with two points shy of time. BYU's tournament record for points in the game held by Danny Ainge and Jimmer for debt.

32:47Shannon Sharpe:Matthias, I don't even know how to say his last name, but he had 23 and 16 for the Texas Longhorns in 33 minutes. He was 10 or 17. Man, he was 311 for the free throw line.

33:00Chad Johnson:Who was that?

33:01Shannon Sharpe:But A.J. did A.J. things. I'm not so sure I'm not taking him number one overall. I think there's too many for me. Just for me now. Somebody else might feel differently. I think there's too many red flags for Peterson.

33:14Chad Johnson:So you're saying you're taking A.J. one.

33:16Shannon Sharpe:I'm taking A.J. DeBonza.

33:17Chad Johnson:Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

33:18Joe Johnson:what's the red flag with Peterson huh huh well him taking himself out the game not being available yep i mean hold on but when you look when you look at upside though as far as make it to the next level who can come in both both can come in and make a difference right now so bonzo though

33:35Shannon Sharpe:i think i mean i can't i can't teach six seven six eight six nine that boy's six nine i can't i

33:41Joe Johnson:can't teach that though yeah he played well he played well tonight shoot texas did everything they could goddamn every time he got the ball they trapped him they trapped him right away sometimes he had to get he had to get um he had to get the ball up off of him hey yeah that hey

33:55Chad Johnson:that was it that was his last game fella we we're gonna catch him we're gonna catch him in july in the nba summer league i'm gonna catch me suddenly come on out here we get you in the summer league that's the next time y 'all gonna see that boy playing you hear me we yeah who got it for who

34:10Shannon Sharpe:got uh who got the first pick joe we don't know yet we don't know yet but i'm gonna just be honest

34:15Chad Johnson:with you. It's a lot of guys who can still improve their draft stock. But for the number one pick, I'm almost willing to bet whoever team get the number one pick, they pick an AJ first.

34:29Shannon Sharpe:I agree with you.

34:31Joe Johnson:I think that, listen, I think the people know, man. I know they do everything with the little, what you call it, the ping pong balls?

34:38Chad Johnson:The ping pong balls?

34:39Joe Johnson:You think they cheating? No, I'm not going to say they cheating, Joe, but they know you know what I'm saying? You know how they do.

34:45Chad Johnson:Hey, well, listen, check this out. I'm going to be skeptical. If Utah get the number one pick, I'm going to be skeptical. Because I'm like, hold on, they didn't kept AJ in Utah for the past two, three years. Hey, let me think about it.

35:00Shannon Sharpe:He ain't going to Duke. He went to BYU. Yeah. He went to BYU. Yeah. Hey, there's a reason why Utah been sitting there starting. and the guys ain't playing, the guys having surgery out for the rest of the year. And the NBA done fined them a half a million dollars for pulling that bull jive. They tried to increase the ping pong balls.

35:25Chad Johnson:If Utah Jazz get the number one pick, boy, I know something.

35:29Joe Johnson:They're going to get it. They're going to get it.

35:31Chad Johnson:You know what it should be?

35:33Shannon Sharpe:Hey, to keep y 'all from doing this bull jive, everybody get one ball, one ping pong ball. And we pull it out, we pull it out. Yeah.

35:42Chad Johnson:Hey, the killer part is if OKC mess around and get the number one pick. Oh, Lord. How about that?

35:54They don't necessarily need it, but they can secure the future for a long time.

35:58Shannon Sharpe:They mess around. I don't even know who would they trade. They got Chet. They got Hartenstein.

36:07Chad Johnson:They so lucky right now. They so deep.

36:09Shannon Sharpe:They guard heavy.

36:10Chad Johnson:Oh, man. I don't know. I just be thinking different scenarios. I'm like, man, listen.

36:19Shannon Sharpe:Man, the number 12 high point stuns. Fifth seed, Wisconsin, 83-82. Chase Johnson made a two-point basket of the season on the fast break layup with 11.7 seconds remaining. Johnson finished with 14 points, including four three-pointers for the Panthers, who were 10-and-a-half point underdogs. He came in shooting 64-132, 48.5 % from the three-point line, but was 0-4 inside the arc. And he had to play more minutes, 406, more points without making a two-point shot than any other player in the country. Man.

36:55Chad Johnson:I tell y 'all what.

36:56Shannon Sharpe:Man, Wisconsin? Hey, high point with ball now, huh?

36:59Chad Johnson:I tell y 'all what. Yeah, high point was good.

37:01Shannon Sharpe:So one of y 'all had, Ocho had high point, I think. he just look at that mascot i told you hey what i was doing he just look at that mascot i know i know a rossy rob martin playing yeah that that maybe i see right you don't even know what high point is huh you don't even know what high point is it's insane wait i don't know you know i don't know where it's at it's in north carolina you didn't know where it was yeah hey it used to be known as the furniture capital of the world yeah i bet you i bet your bracket

37:34Joe Johnson:all messed up now.

37:36Shannon Sharpe:We didn't pick, nobody picked High Point? Yes.

37:39Chad Johnson:Man, nobody picked.

37:40Shannon Sharpe:But I know who picked St. Louis to beat Georgia. Who? Did you really? Ended up the Ash. Ash a hater, man.

37:50Joe Johnson:Man, you're gonna have somebody work for you to be hating. Yo, what's your bracket look like now?

37:54Chad Johnson:I don't know, Joe, I gotta take a look at it. I gotta take a look at it, but I wouldn't.

37:59Shannon Sharpe:Oh, we gonna show brackets at the end. But I'm looking pretty good.

38:02Chad Johnson:I know I'm looking better than y 'all two. No, no, no, no, no, no. My bracket's still intact. Your bracket is intact. Hey, look, while you talking about high point, that's who we got next. That's who the Razorbacks got next. Oh, y 'all gonna do something. Y 'all in trouble, Joe. What you mean we in trouble? Yeah, y 'all in trouble, Joe. Hey, Ocho, you remember them blinders you talking about? Yes, sir. Yeah, hey, tunnel vision, baby. We focused, you hear me? Listen, I know y 'all focused, Joe,

38:28Joe Johnson:but who gonna deal with Rob Martin, Joe? Man, listen.

38:31Chad Johnson:Hey, look. We ain't worried about that.

38:33Joe Johnson:I'm just saying they got something for Acre.

38:35Chad Johnson:What they got? Because ain't nobody had the recipe. Tell me what it is. I mean, they got the recipe. Man, please. Okay. Hey, we fast, athletic. We cause ruckus. Put you in uncomfortable situations, Ocho. You know, we playing good ball, man. Them dudes look good out there. Boy, my Razorbacks look focused.

39:00Shannon Sharpe:I mean look I know where High Point is as a matter of fact Byron's son went to High Point I think it's like a like a a designer school yeah you know yeah for like interior design and things like that hey

39:14Joe Johnson:hey guess who they gonna design on huh

39:17Shannon Sharpe:it's kinda like it's kinda like in the High Point like a artsy school hey

39:24Chad Johnson:hey

39:28Chad Johnson:I know they had some boys eating their glass.

39:32Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, they had 40 rebounds. They didn't get beat that bad on the glass. It just, you know, Wisconsin didn't put them away when they had a chance to. McCoy had 22. I mean, 27. Blackwell had 22. Rapp had 12. But High Point had five guys in double figures.

39:52Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah.

39:54Shannon Sharpe:Yep.

39:55Chad Johnson:Yeah, we locked in.

39:57Shannon Sharpe:But I know High Point messed a lot of people's brackets up.

40:00Chad Johnson:Yeah, of course. I know they did that. Of course they did.

40:03Shannon Sharpe:Who? Oh, his high school was High Point? He's from North Carolina. No, he went to Kentucky. High Point is the first Big South team to win an NCAA tournament game since 2018. First four when Radford defeated Long Island. The parents are also the first Big South team to defeat a higher seed since number 11 Winthrop defeated number 5 Notre Dame in the round of 64 in 2007. Yeah, I've been in that high point.

40:37Chad Johnson:Hey, really?

40:38Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, it was called – I don't know. I don't know. I think somebody told me that it's not that anymore. But it used to be called the furniture capital of the world because all the big furniture, you can just go there and you get it at wholesale. Whatever you want. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anybody, anybody from High Point, is it still called a furniture capital? Or has the crisis, the housing crisis, did that destroy it?

41:06Chad Johnson:Mm.

41:12Shannon Sharpe:It still is okay. All right.

41:17Shannon Sharpe:Darius Acuff scores 24. the Arkansas Breezes past Hawaii, 97-78. Darius Acuff Jr. had 24 points and seven assists. Arkansas moves on to face number 12 high point in the second round of the West Regional. Joe, you nervous?

41:35Chad Johnson:No, I mean, Ocho, look, we had all five starters in double figures today. Yes, sir. That means we playing great basketball. You hear me?

41:44Joe Johnson:You know, high point had five starters. I mean, four starters in double figures and somebody off the bench in double figures.

41:49Chad Johnson:That means – look, we had 26 assists. That means we're making plays for everybody. You feel me? Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to be hard to guard too. I don't know what you're talking about. You're talking about them. What about us? Okay, yeah, yeah. Y 'all nice.

42:04Shannon Sharpe:Joe, y 'all been nice all year. Joe?

42:06Chad Johnson:What'd you say?

42:08Shannon Sharpe:Y 'all going to have to shoot that three ball better. Y 'all was 4-19 from the – Yeah, yeah, yeah.

42:11Chad Johnson:But see what it is. See, we hang our hat on our defense. Our defense, you know, it puts our offense in overdrive. You feel what I'm saying? Because we get turnovers, we get stops. And offensively, even though we got young guys at the helm, at the point guard spot, we don't turn the ball over, bro. We value every possession. We understand the moment. Man, dude, hey, they ready. We locked in. All right.

42:36Joe Johnson:They locked in, Ocho. It sound good. Hey, when that game, Monk? When they play? Saturday. Saturday. Yeah. Okay, yeah, I'm gonna see you on the show, Joe, Saturday.

42:47Chad Johnson:Yeah, I'm on.

42:48Joe Johnson:You know who's from High Point? Who? Fantasia. Oh, I know she grew up in a good church over there boy. I don't know nothing about the church, but I just know she's from High Point. Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying, hey, to sing like that, huh? That ain't no church background.

43:03Shannon Sharpe:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's church background. Her and Jasmine Sullivan. Yes, all right, let's check the brackets. Let's check the brackets. Let me see, man. We forgot the game. Who was up first? You heard me? Huh?

43:18Chad Johnson:What we forgot, man.

43:19Shannon Sharpe:We forgot the Kennesaw State game. Tell us about it, go ahead. So who's on top? Oh, okay, okay, okay. That's my bracket's on the top. So let's go, what are we gonna get? I had Duke, Louisville, Michigan State, Vanderbilt, Nebraska, Carolina, you sorry. I had Houston and I had Illinois. I had Arkansas, Gonzaga, Michigan, St. Louis. Next one is Ocho. Yeah, Ocho. Ocho had Duke, Louisville, Michigan State. He won with Nebraska. He won with Illinois. He won with Texas A &M and with Houston. He won with St. Louis, Michigan, and Arkansas. Joe.

44:12Chad Johnson:What we got? I'm winning.

44:16Shannon Sharpe:I don't know, Joe. No, you're not. Ocho, why you asking so hard? I think the flow between you and I though, Joe. You had Duke. You had Louisville. You had Michigan State. You had Vanderbilt. You had Nebraska. You had A &M. You had Houston. Yeah, you had BYU. You going a long way, Joe. Did I? Yeah, you did. Arkansas, Gonzaga, St. Louis, and Michigan. So you had 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. You had 12 wins, Joe. Ocho had 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 wins. And I had 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 wins. Right now, Joe is in first place with 12 I got 11, Ocho has a team.

45:09Joe Johnson:Don't worry about it. Hey, Chad. Chad.

45:13Chad Johnson:There you go. Hey, Chad. There you go. See, you doing too much, Joe.

45:17Shannon Sharpe:You doing too much.

45:18Chad Johnson:Can I talk to Chad? Chad, Chad. Hey, listen. Hey, the man don't play by me, okay? I'm locked in on these boys, man. These boys can't beat me at nothing. I'm locked in. Joe, that's the first round. First, we got a long way to go, Joe. I really was talking to Chad. You and Ocho just happened to be on here. I'm talking to Chad. Me and Chad having a conversation. Y 'all just so happy to be on here, but. Locks in, baby.

45:46Shannon Sharpe:There you go. I had to bear. Hey, North Carolina mess you up, huh? No, I had him to win, but then I had him lose the next round to Illinois. Okay, okay, okay.

46:02Chad Johnson:I ain't worried about Ocho. Yeah, he picking mascots over there. We good.

46:06Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, you got North Carolina to beat, had Illinois, got them going on pass.

46:11Joe Johnson:My bad. I can't believe BYU. I was just going up, you know, prestigious school known for basketball, you know, making it for foreign tournaments. You know, I mean, listen. Yeah, we know. I know you picked the mascots. My bad.

46:28Shannon Sharpe:Okay, Ocho, you want to tell us about the Gonzaga game?

46:31Joe Johnson:Hold on. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, Joe. What's happening? Hey, listen to my basketball prowess. Let me see what you got.

46:37Chad Johnson:Let me hear y 'all.

46:38Joe Johnson:Yeah. Let me know when you're ready.

46:40Chad Johnson:Go ahead. I'm listening.

46:42Joe Johnson:Oh, so listen. The Zags, the Zags-Ow's game, it was good. Obviously, Kennesaw State being a team that's not as good as the Zags, right, Joe? Right, right. You understand what I'm talking about? So every possession matters. Every offensive play matters. You know, when you choose to shoot the ball, shot selection matters. is moving the ball around, keeping everybody moving, finding the right plays, finding the right shots. Boom, you winning the game. You was winning the game. But obviously the better team, the Zags, you know, they came back and won. But what I want to say is, right, the thing is, I can't remember the big center.

47:21Joe Johnson:I think his last name was Ike. Ike, I-K-E. Is he right? For Kennesaw? Ah, for the Zags. Oh yeah, the Ike guy, yeah. Oh, hey, boy, he was here to deal with down in that block.

47:32Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah.

47:33Joe Johnson:Yeah, they was trying to find him. They were swinging the ball and finding him when he could. He had his way down there. Then they had a young bull on the Zags, too. He kept hitting a goddamn three. He wasn't number four. Yeah. I can't remember his name.

47:44Chad Johnson:He came off the bench. He came off the bench getting money.

47:47Joe Johnson:He getting money at the arc, and he putting that ball in the floor, getting to his spot every time.

47:52Chad Johnson:Yeah. I know. I don't think I got Gonzaga going far. I know they always discipline Uncle Ocho when they play. You know, they gonna play a good discipline game, but I don't think I got them going that far.

48:07Joe Johnson:Hey, that's not fair, man, too, man.

48:09Shannon Sharpe:But Kennesaw State, hey, you know, Kennesaw State, that's, Joe, that's us, that's the naked one. Man, who put that up there?

48:16Chad Johnson:Well, let me see. Oh, King Ice, hey, listen, man. Hey, look. Hey, look, hey, let me tell you, Let me tell you on Ocho something, man. We're coming up on a year of us hanging out. You know, April gonna give us a year. And until the other day, we had been on the, you know, everything had been on the up and up. We had all been all good. You know what I mean? Yeah. Don't you mean, Joe? It's just when somebody tried me, I got to put the smack down. I got to put out a mean demonstration. And I hate for it to even go that way. I really do.

48:52Joe Johnson:I really do. Hey, you know what? Hey Joe, you ever grew up with siblings?

48:57Chad Johnson:Nope, I'm only trying.

49:00Joe Johnson:Come on, you grew up with siblings, huh? Man, you know I got a brother and a sister. Okay, so y 'all get into it sometime. Y 'all go through little quarrel sometime, huh?

49:08Shannon Sharpe:Man, look at this, man. They got all kind of stuff up there with you. Oh yeah. Look at this one. Look at this one, Ocho.

49:13Chad Johnson:Hey Ocho, Ocho, I understand where you coming from. We just having a little rip, but we gonna go and get our little fade out the way. We still love each other, but we gotta get that fade out the way.

49:23Joe Johnson:Joe, listen, listen, Joe, I love you like a brother, Joe. I love you like a brother, you know, you feel me? I love you like you're my son, you hear me? Yeah, yeah. But you gonna get this work though.

49:31Chad Johnson:Yeah.

49:32Joe Johnson:Hey, why I'm getting hit? Shit, that what's gonna happen?

49:38Chad Johnson:Hell, you talking about what you think? What you thought was gonna happen?

49:41Joe Johnson:It ain't gonna happen like that. I ain't got, listen, I got discipline in that ring. My hand definitely ain't gonna be down like that.

49:47Chad Johnson:I got discipline too, bro. That's the thing.

49:49Shannon Sharpe:So they got Joe with a row and let a Hulk roll. Big three Joe Johnson.

49:59Shannon Sharpe:Hey Joe, hey Joe, look at this one. They got an Ocho.

50:08Shannon Sharpe:They call it Pocho.

50:10Joe Johnson:Penocchio.

50:14Joe Johnson:Hey, hey Joe, you finna feel my rad Joe. or you're going to feel my rap.

50:20Shannon Sharpe:Man, Joe, I think Joe got his own personal graphics team. Yeah.

50:30Hey, that's

50:31Chad Johnson:the perfect pitch he needs to hear.

50:34Joe Johnson:Hey, Joe, listen, Joe, I don't lie. Anything I say is life experience. It's things that I've experienced in life, Joe.

50:41Chad Johnson:That's all.

50:42Joe Johnson:I got you, bro. I love you like a brother, but you're going to feel like you're fighting two people. We can get in there with me though. I can tell you that. Hey, you know what's funny? I don't like the people on the outside. Everything's so serious. Like people. Man, look at. We family, what are y 'all? Yeah, they writing think pieces and they writing a thesis. Hey, hey, hey.

51:12Chad Johnson:Oh, oh, oh, oh, they, hey, hey.

51:14Shannon Sharpe:Oh, but Ocho, you got off easy. They had me on the Shade Room, they had me on the Jasmine brand, they had me on everything. Sheldon don't love his kids, he don't love his family, now I see why he's single. I said, I ain't have no problem. I just said, Ocho should've gave Joe a heads up. But then, then it came out what actually happened. The Hate Room ain't nobody put nothing up there, ain't nobody said nothing. i said well damn hey so i'm trying to figure out y 'all deduced i hate my kids i think i did a proper thing me and the moms did a pretty good job we got three college graduates we'll last one is in residency got another year of residency she'll be a food a real doctor i thought we did a pretty good job yeah yeah i don't love my kids i hate my kids i don't like my family i see why he's single and everybody that probably said that single just like me they're making me yo Joe they're making me like me and you the only ones that ain't married everybody else everybody else that be in the chat be married I was like

52:23Joe Johnson:man get your ass out of here hey hey these people people in the chat they going through the same problems we go through

52:30Shannon Sharpe:of course

52:32Joe Johnson:same everything I don't know why everybody be trying to act like they all perfect and they do we just happen to live hours in front of everybody else

52:39Shannon Sharpe:that's that's it i i think uh it's bad oh bad ocho ocho bed i was like bro y 'all take this way too serious yeah it ain't that serious not it's not but i i you know what but hey you know you know what it is though go ahead what is it hey uncle joe what's that what it is it's great it's

53:01Joe Johnson:great entertainment it's organic it's authentic it's authentic nothing is scripted these things

53:07Shannon Sharpe:are happening they're recurring in real time yes you know that situation it was real yeah it was

53:14Joe Johnson:yeah yeah but we get on here we talk about it we did we jab at it you know you you get on me yeah i accept accountability it's a real situation but then we keep going but we do it in an entertaining format right right but everybody they take it so serious oh my god and he did If I was so and so, I wouldn't mess with Ocho no more. Wait a minute.

53:39Chad Johnson:I mean, they kind of got some points, though. I mean, I can kind of see where they coming from a little bit. You know what I mean?

53:49Shannon Sharpe:You might not agree with them, but you understand this joke.

53:52Chad Johnson:I can kind of see where they coming from.

53:53Joe Johnson:You know what I mean? Listen, hey, Joe, I don't. I don't because they don't live in no glass house. They don't live in no glass house. They ain't no better than me.

54:04Shannon Sharpe:I think, look, a part of them, some of them do, some of them not happy for us, Ocho. Oh, they not. I think the vast majority, look, because I think the thing is the street committee, that's what I call the internet street committee. Yes, sir. For the most part, when you see somebody out there, it's all positive. Yeah. When I see people out there, it's all positive. Yes. Joe, you see people, it's all positive. I don't get nothing negative, but I'm here.

54:29Chad Johnson:Yeah.

54:31Shannon Sharpe:I don't get anything only thing is Twitter and IG I don't have I mean I ain't looked at Facebook in 100 years but that's what it is but all I'm saying is if you get something wrong you know be bad enough to a woman enough to say you know what I was wrong but the shade room you got it wrong but instead of saying you got it wrong you pretend like y 'all didn't hear nothing Jasmine Brandon and everybody else that ran with it like y 'all ran with it come on back That's all we ask you to do, to come on back. When Ocho gets something wrong, he'll say, I was wrong with that. I get something wrong, I'm wrong with that.

55:07Shannon Sharpe:But you take a clip because you can tell the people that watch Nightcap regularly, he's like, y 'all missing the point. Ocho had asked for the tickets. Ocho said he shouldn't have gone to the thing. Ocho said he should have just gave Joe the heads up. That's all I was saying. But they took it. Ocho don't love his kid. That's why he went to the game. He the witch.

55:31Shannon Sharpe:No, I wouldn't. I don't really schedule anything. Listen, I bet we ought to do this. Hey, I tell you what. What?

55:42Joe Johnson:There's a reason why we're the best there is out there. For sure. And you can't replicate it. Nope. Hey, listen. Hey, Uncle Joe, we ain't got to talk about nobody. We ain't got to be negative to get the views to be entertaining. Everything is organic. the stories are real man ain't even close hey but Joe but after I say all that you still gonna get these hands though

56:06Shannon Sharpe:I give you prime guys I give you prime example everybody that had a pod what did they talk about the hottest story the trending story was Kenyon we didn't talk about that cause I don't feel like I don't feel I didn't feel that if you want to talk about it Ocho we could have talked about it but I don't feel I have anything to add I didn't feel like I had anything to add to it

56:26Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah.

56:27Shannon Sharpe:All this other stuff that was going on. We don't talk about other people. Because I think there's enough stuff happening that we can talk about that without mentioning them.

56:36Chad Johnson:Yeah. Absolutely right.

56:39Shannon Sharpe:And people don't want to hear you constantly talk about Shannon Sharp or Stephen A. Smith. They want to hear you talk about your sports show, so talk about some sports. Hell, I ain't played sports in a quarter of a century. but that's what makes us unique we talk about sports we can make things entertaining we take the simplest things and make it very very entertaining people want to be entertained at the end of the day people want to be entertained but they don't want to be entertaining while you constantly trying to berate somebody and put somebody down

57:12Chad Johnson:there you go

57:13Shannon Sharpe:that's the thing okay hell I ain't did anything entertaining in quite some time.

57:21Chad Johnson:I plan on leaving it that way. Hey, don't wait.

57:25Joe Johnson:Hey, I take care of the part. You hear me?

57:31Chad Johnson:You say what?

57:32Joe Johnson:Let me take care of the entertaining part. Let me be the villain. That's my spiel. I'll be the bad guy.

57:41Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, they taking things that we said, like I said in the first month, and you and I were joking in the first month of the show. Yes, sir. They played it now, and people say, see, that's why it happened. Bro, I said that three years ago. But because you take the clips, you try to paint me in a negative light, and people don't know any better. Because if we post something today, people are going to assume it was said today or yesterday. They're not looking to see you, man. And he said that about not going to girls' house three years ago.

58:19Joe Johnson:Yeah.

58:20Shannon Sharpe:Why y 'all talking about it now?

58:21Joe Johnson:Mm-hmm.

58:23Shannon Sharpe:But I get it. It took me a while to understand. I'm like, I see what y 'all trying to do. Y 'all realize what the algorithm is. Y 'all know who's in the algorithm. Mm-hmm. Mention his name. People going to click. Hey, Shannon Sharp won an Oscar. Click. Shannon Sharp was walking down the street. A car broke down. Click. it is what it is now Ocho so we just gotta accept that we just gotta joke I'm sorry that we roped you into it but you a part of it now so anything that Ocho and I do guilty by association you guilty by association

59:14Joe Johnson:We got the Grits and Eggs podcast, Deontay Kyle and Big Ice Cup Cat. We got Club 520 with Jeff Teague and the gang. Don't call me white, girl. Mona will be there. Keep it positive, sweetie, with Crystal Renee. We got Reality with the King with Carlos King. And yes, Drink Champ will be in the building. Plus, you know, we're going to have a lot of guests. So you need to join us. And we got the Black Effect Marketplace, the picture podcast, and everything you expect from the Black Effect Podcast Festival. Tickets are on sale right now. Go get yours at blackeffect.com slash podcast festival. Don't play yourself, okay?

59:48Joe Johnson:Pull up.