In short
The hosts debate playoff physicality and officiating, especially how to defend a dominant 7’4 center (“Wimby”/Victor Wembanyama) in an OKC vs Spurs series (series tied 1-1). They also discuss NBA media controversy: Pat Bev’s comments about Giannis being late, and how that story got exaggerated. Later they pivot to coaching/leadership differences (Bud vs Adrian Griffin vs Doc Rivers) and LeBron’s free-agency plan.
Guests (hosts/participants)
Bobby Portis (former Bucks player; discusses Giannis work ethic and a “late” claim being out of context; also talks about coaching styles and being a pro). “Ocho” and “Joe” (other recurring voices; focus on game strategy, officiating expectations, and matchups). No other named guests appear.
Key claims
Refs will call more fouls/clutching against Wembanyama; teams must be physical but avoid “ticky-tack” arm-pulling. Spurs’ success depends on whether Fox and Harper are available. Giannis is portrayed as never late in practice/culture; “late” refers to postgame treatment/transport timing, and the podcast clip went viral due to Giannis’s reputation. LeBron is still “in the moment,” with future clarity expected late June/July.
Notable examples
“Do your work early” on Wembanyama; Wembanyama rolling to the rim unlocking backside threes and midrange options; OKC’s adjustment since Game 1; Giannis’s pregame routine (crunches/sit-ups) and Portis’s claim of sitting next to him for six years.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOCharles Barkley's Take on Physical Play
3:10 to 4:30
Discussing Barkley’s comments on physicality in the NBA and its impact.
“Obviously, when somebody comes in, you know what I'm saying, stands on business, drops a big 40 and 20 ball like that, you got to have some pride about yourself.”
Bobby Portis on Playoff Physicality
4:30 to 7:20
Bobby Portis shares his perspective on physical play and strategy against opponents.
“Ain't no way in hell we can go down 0-2 going into San Antonio.”
Guarding Wimby: Strategies and Challenges
7:20 to 10:10
Discussing effective strategies to guard Victor Wembanyama in the NBA.
“And I just feel like in San Antonio, since, you know, this has been the whole thing about the physicality.”
Wemby's Offense Impact on the Game
10:10 to 14:02
Analyzing how Wembanyama's presence changes offensive dynamics for the Spurs.
“Yeah, they say that wasn't no receiving.”
Analyzing Pick and Roll Dynamics
14:02 to 16:39
Learn about the strategies and challenges of defending against pick and roll plays in basketball.
“And then, like I said, him being able to roll to that rim just unlocks so much for they offense.”
Series Predictions and Injuries Impact
16:40 to 18:16
Discuss the potential outcomes of the Spurs vs. Thunder series based on player availability.
“He's so damn little that by the time Harper and them get in the paint, all they got to do, even if you there, just throw it up there.”
The Importance of Being Prepared
18:17 to 19:46
Hear about the significance of being ready for unexpected opportunities in professional sports.
“So you got so many other guys at that position.”
Expectations and Experiences with Coaches
19:47 to 21:12
Explore the differences in coaching styles and expectations between different basketball coaches.
“It's going to be a very interesting game.”
Response to Pat Bev's Comments on Giannis
21:13 to 21:42
Bobby Portis responds to comments made by Pat Beverley regarding Giannis Antetokounmpo's professionalism.
Addressing Late Arrivals and Team Culture
28:01 to 29:54
The discussion revolves around the perception of players being late and how it reflects on team culture.
“Like this could have like motherfuckers might be late after the game because, you know, I'm saying the bus, the bus took off.”
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Giannis and Leadership Dynamics
29:54 to 31:48
The speakers discuss leadership within the team and how players hold each other accountable.
“He say meetings, film session, guys come late.”
Handling Media and Player Relations
31:48 to 33:58
Participants reflect on how media narratives can affect player relationships and team morale.
“I ain't here to dissect team drama like somebody said online.”
The Unwritten Rules of Sports Discussions
33:58 to 36:15
An exploration of the unwritten rules regarding what to disclose about team dynamics in public forums.
“You got to say, hey, bro, bro, look, I understand.”
Giannis's Work Ethic and Team Commitment
36:15 to 42:00
A strong defense of Giannis's character and work ethic amid recent controversies.
“Look, I think because of how media is evolving and, you know, you got guys with their own podcast now who are currently still playing.”
Giannis's Work Ethic and Coaching Insights
42:00 to 44:30
Learn about Giannis's commitment to hard work and the dynamics of coaching in the NBA.
“So that's why I think it went viral because of Giannis and how we view him.”
LeBron's Free Agency and Future Speculations
48:25 to 56:00
Discuss LeBron James's potential free agency moves and his future with the Lakers.
“Some type of sign and trade scenario can happen.”
Analyzing Defensive Strategies in the NBA
56:00 to 1:00:08
Discussing the defensive capabilities of various NBA teams and players.
“You talking about the guy that – you like Aiton?”
LeBron's Longevity and Future Prospects
1:00:08 to 1:06:12
Debating LeBron James' career longevity and potential future team choices.
“But I'm saying, though, like you said that, you know what I'm saying, for Bron to win the championship or whatever it is.”
Guest Reflection and Future Games
1:06:12 to 1:08:05
The guest reflects on the previous games and future implications for the Lakers.
“And at the end of the day, and you know playoff basketball comes down to defense.”
Transcript
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3:10Shannon Sharpe:Charles Barkley calls out people that complained to Thunder were physical with victor with me yama this is what chuck said you people at home and tv talking about they were physical women man y 'all need to stop i've been kissed harder there is no excessive foul for people thinking that's physicality y 'all need to shut the hell up bp what do you think of uh the way hartenstein because he played a lot more and he would get him he did he was physical i don't think it was excessive but i think they could have called some fouls what's your take on that I like it, man, for real. Obviously, when somebody comes in, you know what I'm saying, stands on business, drops a big 40 and 20 ball like that, you got to have some pride about yourself.
3:50You got to have some nests about yourself and come on and, you know what I'm saying, be a little more physical, whatever it is. I like that the refs weren't calling all those ticky-tack fouls. It is the Western Conference Finals. We are three games, four games away from somebody winning this side and moving on to the NBA Finals. Obviously, all the little pulling-the-arms stuff, I don't probably agree with. But being physical in the game, I love that. I honor that for playoff hoops. I like the physicality. And then on top of that, it's a must-win for us. So I'm giving it all I got. No matter what nobody say, if I foul out this motherfucker, I'm going out my way.
4:28You know what I'm saying? I'm out here full-fledged because we down 0-1. Ain't no way in hell we can go down 0-2 going into San Antonio. You know, that's a whole different feeling. So right now, I'm all in. I don't even care. You're going to tell me to stop four or five times before I stop doing it.
4:44Chad Johnson:Yeah, look. Look, look. Hey, you know, BP, you guarding somebody like Wimby, bro. You got to do your damn work early. Yes. You know, hey, hey, hey, you ain't getting inside this damn three-point line without a damn fight. You hear me? You know what I mean? Because a guy like that, you don't want to let him catch it in this sweet spot because, man, I seen dude take one dribble, and he already at the damn rim. Like you can't have that, you know what I mean? So I enjoy the physicality too, cause I put myself in Hartenstein's shoes. I'm like shit, if I were guarding him here, I'm gonna be holding, grabbing, doing all type of shit too.
5:17Chad Johnson:But what we doing about the hair pulling, Bobby?
5:19Shannon Sharpe:BP, what we doing about that hair pulling, they grabbing? I don't think he tried to do that. I don't think he tried to do that. It doesn't matter if he tried to. I'll ask you a question. Have you ever filed somebody and didn't intend to do it? Is that how they base filed, on intent? uh have i ever found somebody that's a flagrant foul not a common foul flagrant foul is intent the wind up i think i got a couple i think i got a couple flaggers in my in my time i know but have you filed somebody and you didn't intend to follow no i know it's a foul okay so what you hold on so why the hell you be complaining to the official like this here then if you knew it with a foul?
5:58Nah, that's just like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's part of it. The part of it, you know what I'm saying? Nobody really think they foul, you know what I'm saying? But you know what I'm saying? Then like me, I can't just foul a motherfucker just hard and shit. I gotta at least make it like, hey, hey, hey, I ain't mean to. If not, they gonna throw me out of there. They gonna throw me so far out of there, I'm gonna be sitting in the back. I don't know, I already started waiting for everybody to come. Nah, I ain't trying to feel that, man. I'm cool. Yeah, yeah.
6:25Chad Johnson:Hey, hey. You know them repeat offenders, they They watch out a little harder. We ain't got no leash, man. Ain't no leash.
6:32Shannon Sharpe:But you know what, BP? You know the Spurs sent that in. All that little stuff that Hardenstein was doing that they got away with, you know they sent that to the league. Now, what do you think these officials going to be looking for? They ain't going to say nothing. I bet you. I bet you they do. What you want to bet? Hey, Uncle Joe. Uncle Joe, you got to understand. Everybody on that court is at a disadvantage because Wimby is out there. The man is the alien. He's 7 '5". Think about what he can do. Because of what he can do and the advantages he has on the court, the ref is going to hold the whistle a little bit more.
7:03Shannon Sharpe:I guarantee you. He got the place. I bet you Wimbledon shoot at least, at bare minimum, Wimbledon shoot at least 10 free throws tomorrow.
7:10Chad Johnson:Hey, I go even farther. I go even farther to say I bet you Hartenstein had two fouls in the first quarter for damn sure. I got him having two fouls because, you know, you got to be physical with him. And I just feel like in San Antonio, since, you know, this has been the whole thing about the physicality. I feel like the refs are really, really going to be paying attention. And like Unc said, I don't think they going to hold that whistle too much tomorrow. But hold on. Hold on, Unc and Joe. If you don't hold your whistle, right, and every foul that happens to Wimby, that's going to happen all game long because it's the only way to even have a chance.
7:49Forget stopping him. Having a chance to even try and stop him, you got to foul him. because you can't play ball just straight up.
7:56Shannon Sharpe:There was some times that he wasn't even looking at the rim. He was just turning like he was an offensive lineman blocking Wimby.
8:02Chad Johnson:Yeah. Hey, sometimes you got to play like that. B.B., no. Hey, look, if I can't get the rebound, I damn sure better not let my man get it. So I might face guard your ass. Better not. Yeah, just push you up out of there. I understand it, man. I understand it. I like what OKC has done since game one, and that's been their adjustment. Look, we going to have to be physical as hell. I ain't saying foul him, but bump him. Give him them shoulders. Give him them little forearm. Give him that little chicken wing here at 910. You know, just to keep him off balance. Because if you let him roam free, Ocho and BP, you see what he going to do to you.
8:41Chad Johnson:You let him get to his spots comfortably. Shit, man, we in trouble.
8:45Shannon Sharpe:It's a wrap. I guarantee you. Watch. I guarantee you he going to shoot at least 10 free throws. They going to call. a lot of that clutching. Now, the physicality is what it is. I think the unnecessary clutching, I think they're going to call that tomorrow. You will find out early on. Within the first two to three minutes of the ball game, Joe, we're going to see how the game officiated. That's going to tell you how they're going to call the game moving forward.
9:09Chad Johnson:Yeah. That's how I'm going to do it, Joe. Like what? Huh? All right, man. Don't get me started. You see, I got my homeboy on here, man. We'll jump your ass tonight. Come on now. Man, jump. Man, I beat Bobby too. Bobby can't beat me. Don't worry. Man, Bobby, I'll put your last. Man, stop it, man. I'm 260, man. 260, man. Yeah, yeah. To what? You see that right there. You see that right there, Ocho? You know what I do with 260? You see that Ocho, man. You see that right there, man. You see that right there, man. I'll do too little, man. Hey, Bobby, once I get you in space, it's crap. No, no, no, no.
9:48Chad Johnson:Hey, BP, he ain't got no handle like that. All you got to do is playoff, give him a little room. His ass can't shoot, nigga. He probably jump high on his jumper, too. Hey, I'd be like jumping high tonight. He want no motherfucker to jump high on his jump shot.
10:04Shannon Sharpe:Nah, he ain't got no jump. Don't worry about it. He a rebounder. He ain't got no jump shot, BP. Don't worry about that. He a rebounder. Yeah, they say that wasn't no receiving. What position? Catch the football and shoot the basketball or something entirely different. and shooting the basketball and catching the football is something entirely different. There's a lot of guys that can shoot, but I guarantee you if the quarterback wants to drop back and throw the ball. Hey, Ocho, hey, Ocho, man. Who you going to get a stop on? What's up? Who you going to get a stop on over here, though? Can you get a stop?
10:35Oh, I can stop. Listen, they call me the ISO stopper. Bobby, they can give you the motherfucking ball in the low block. I bet you won't score. Man, we can run that. Hey, BP, BP, don't worry. We can run that anytime. I'll fly out to you. Y 'all fly out and take a record. We can put it on your show. We can put it on Uncle Sey Sey's show. I pull up for that little post action.
10:56Chad Johnson:You too little. Hey, B.B., don't worry. He got an ass whooping reserve right over here first. He already know it. Don't worry. Hey, I got something for him. Hey, matter of fact, you know what's funny? Let me tell you how it's here, right? Keep my hoop shoe with me. I'm ready. Hey. Hey, hold on. I keep my hoop shoe with me. I'm ready. They brought you with me. Hey, you have to lose. Oh, yeah, I'm definitely watching you. I'm watching you. Nah, nah, I'm watching you. You gotta keep the track, dude. Hey, matter of fact, hold on, I'm going to tell you what. I'm going to make it easy for y 'all. How about y 'all both show up at the same time?
11:31What we doing today, Ocho? I'm going to run with him till 11, and I'm going to run with you right back. Ocho, I'm going to tell you,
11:38Chad Johnson:you ain't even going to score against me. I'm going to keep it real. I already told you. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. Hey, you know what? You know, mama, dear God, forgive me. Man, you got me fucked up.
11:55Hey, hey, hey, hey, Joe, hey, I ain't gay, but watch the wrist break. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
12:00Shannon Sharpe:That thing shot at it, BP. Yeah, it ain't got no full extension on that, Joe. That motherfucker. Hold on.
12:07Chad Johnson:You can't see. He got the little goose man. He got the little goose man. Hey, you don't get that elbow up, man. You got to get that elbow up above that eye front. He shooting on the poppy shot. He's shooting on the poppy shot, y 'all. Come on now, BP and Joe.
12:19Shannon Sharpe:He got a little poppy shot going. He can't get the... Nah, nah, nah. He can't do it like that. That right there ain't nothing. You got to get that thing in the air a little bit more. Hey. Hey. Man, my kids done lost my damn basketball. Hey, J.K., I don't know if you guys... I'm sure you guys did. But did you have to guard Wimby? So what was your strategy into having to guard Wimby? Obviously, you don't want him to get the ball where he wants to get it. So you try to be as physical as you possibly can with him. what's your strategy in dealing with Wimby? I played against Wimby three times. So far, I think a couple of times, yeah, he was out for injury and things.
12:55Because I'm on the East Coast, so East Coast team played West Coast teams twice, home and away. Right. I think our strategy, bro, was, you know what I'm saying, just do your work early. Like Joe said, bro, do your work early with a tall 7 '4 guy like that. Anything, obviously, if he rolled into the rim, him um you probably want a hot tag you know i'm saying weak side if you don't get no hot tag on him it's just it's either a lob for him or castle and fox and harper actually do a hell of a job with hitting that midi in the middle too push shot midi like that's like a great shot for them because the b got to play back in the drop and then they got the lob threat right there and if when they get a little hit like now they got downhill right to the midi elbow action so um So it makes it tough.
13:38It's just not him that makes it hard. Like him rolling kind of opens up everything else. You know what I'm saying? It kind of unlocks the offense. It unlocks the backside threes for Champagny. Champagny should, hey, give them boys a hug, man, for real. Like they got that boy real name out here. All them backside threes and him being able to hold that follow through and knock them threes down timely fashion. So it gets tough in that pick and roll with him for sure. I would say doing your work early. And then, like I said, him being able to roll to that rim just unlocks so much for they offense.
14:08Chad Johnson:Hey, look, I agree with BP saying. See, that back man, if I'm that man in that strong corner and they running the pick and roll on my side, my man has to tag. If it's Wimby rolling, he has to tag. Hell, because if you ain't there to tag, he throwing it to the rim. That man barely jumping, bro. It's on your head. You know what I mean? Like BP say, Champ Penny sitting over there. I'm talking about Eden.
14:31Shannon Sharpe:Eden.
14:32Chad Johnson:You hear me? I'm talking about a big boy. He's sitting over there buffet style. You know what I'm talking about? Hey, bro, just be ready to shoot. Anytime the ball comes to Champigny's hand, watch him tomorrow. As soon as it comes in his hand, I'm locking him over. I'm getting right up under it.
14:44Shannon Sharpe:Cash. Cash. Getting right up under it. For sale also. They be getting a lot of great looking threes. Yeah. What choice do you have? You ain't got no choice. Like we said in the Knicks series, you got to find somebody out here to beat you. Yeah. You don't want Wimby to beat you just rolling to the rim and they playing two-on-one every time in the pick and roll because a guard getting hit, he ain't fired over. Wimby just got a little bit of fast, bro, because sometimes Wimby, he speed rolls. He might just touch and go. You know what I'm saying? He might get up under the screen, touch and roll to the rim and get him one.
15:22It gets tricky, bro, because it's that low man in the NBA. Damn, they're the most important guy, bro. Oh, yeah. He the most important guy. That low man, he control everything, man. He can see what's going on. He can help the tag man. He can tell hot man, X out backside. He go get the slot man. It just gets tricky when you got a real good rim lob threat out there, bro.
15:48Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, and what gets more tricky is if you got guards like Fox, Harper, and Castle because you know you can't trap them guys. You know what I mean? Like BP say, the big going to have to be below Wimby. So I got floaters all day damn long. You know what I mean? And those guys are great in the midi area. They great in getting in the teeth of the defense and spraying out for threes. This is why San Antonio is so good, bro. Wimby just draws so much attention that, hell, it helps out all these other guys, and they don't even show up on the stat sheet. Man, I watch Wimby.
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16:25Shannon Sharpe:Wimby ain't fair. Man, I watched Wimby lay the ball up on the right side. It missed the layup, and he dunked it backhand like this here on the left side. I'm like, how the hell – what the hell is that?
16:38Chad Johnson:Hey, you look at a lot of them lob dunks he get, BP, it be because of that damn low man. He's so damn little that by the time Harper and them get in the paint, all they got to do, even if you there, just throw it up there. And hell, he just – Hey, he just get that big door right there. Drop it in. And then he just run back like irregular. Hey, matter of fact, you know what? I'm curious. BP, you've seen two games so far with the Spurs and Thunder playing. Obviously, the series is tied 1-1. Who you got in this series probably to come out? I know it's going seven, but who you got? It depends on – it's not a fair analysis without knowing who's available on the injury report, for real, in my opinion.
17:21Right. The injury report is going to dictate a lot in this series. If the Spurs don't got Harper and Fox, it can get sideways real fast.
17:30Chad Johnson:Yeah. If they got just one of them, I can see them still fighting, and it'd be a good game going seven, whatever it is. But they need one of those guys. Like, OKC, they can play without Jalen Williams. You know what I'm saying? Like, they've sold, and they've earned that right for people to believe in them without Jalen Williams. You know what I'm saying? They started the year off 24-1 or something without Jalen Williams. You know what I'm saying? They won this last playoff series, swept run without Jalen Williams. You know what I'm saying? Like, so it all depends on who's healthy for the Spurs.
18:03Like, I'm not really worried about Jalen Williams being out for the Thunder. You know what I'm saying?
18:07Shannon Sharpe:But if Harper and – Yeah, like if Harper and Fox out, it can get tricky for OKC. I mean, for the Spurs, for real. You still got Caruso. You got A.J. Mitchell. You got Kaysom Wallace. You got Isaiah Joe. You got Lou Doran. McCain. Lou Dort. Yeah. So you got so many other guys at that position. Now, if I'm out Fox, Harper was his back with placement. Now I'm without Fox and Harper? It's tough. Now you got to sub, man. I don't want to like I say, like we said earlier, one of them guys been in that lab, hoping they can get their shots up. It's that time. Hey, bro. Hey, bro. You ready? Yeah. Yeah. A-B-O.
18:52Joe. Hey, is y 'all time to sign now? Like, for real?
18:56Shannon Sharpe:I sure hope they don't put me – I sure hope that my lab work don't have to get shown in the Western Conference Finals. Can I give you a couple of regular season games first? Ocho, I ain't really – my first start, I ain't wanted to come in the championship game.
19:08Chad Johnson:Hey, hey, listen. You can't complain about them minutes. When they come, your ass be ready. Yeah, yeah. My first playoff start came in the Eastern Conference Finals. Damn. My first playoff start came in the Eastern Conference Finals. Championship year. Giannis had went down with a hyperextended knee in Atlanta. Game four. Game five, shit. Coach Bud come to me and say, hey, man, I need you to start. I said, hey, man, I've been waiting for this my whole life. Yeah. I've been waiting for this my whole life. I popped out 25 with a dub. You feel me? Yeah. You just got to be ready, bro. Yeah. All the time, bro.
19:44Chad Johnson:That's part of being a pro. That is.
19:47Shannon Sharpe:That is. It's going to be a very interesting game. you know a game three what you doing right now you getting ready oh that's my little you gotta that ain't gonna work nah i mean i'm gonna hit you i mean no no no ain't nobody getting euro stepped in one hey man i was i was like in euro step one that's great i mean i mean that's how good i am i'm gonna euro step your ass in one damn damn hey bp you ain't got nothing to worry about hey hey joe hey Hey, Joe, BP think this shit is a joke. It ain't no joke.
20:20Chad Johnson:Hey, this is funny to me. Yeah, yeah. It's funny to me, too. We gonna see who laid. We gonna see. Hey, we gonna see who laid. I'm gonna get the number out of this, man. My number 85. Y 'all need to put this on y 'all nightcap hoop session, man. That's all, man. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. Yeah, we pull up. We pull up. Do something, man.
20:41Shannon Sharpe:Damn. You trying to pull up. You trying to get out. Because Joe say ain't going to be much left when he get done
20:47Chad Johnson:with him so hey that man ain't gonna hey i'm gonna hey like on life hey that boy took enough of a beating that's enough that's enough hey hey joe what do you say joe doesn't know take care of my own in the boy that took enough of a beat
21:12Shannon Sharpe:bp i'm i'm sorry bro but you know we got to talk about this this is what pat bell said pat bell spoke about it today saying a damn snitch i played for milwaukee bucks i've never seen yadis antikumpo late one time i played for la clippers with doc uh for the bucks with doc he was a player in the past and he's very lenient when it comes to practicing you don't hear people complaining when they get days off so for him to get on a platform and discuss. Support for the show comes from Public, the investing platform for those who take it seriously. On Public, you can build a multi-asset portfolio of stocks, bonds, options, crypto, and now generated assets, which allow you to turn any idea into an investable index with AI.
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24:43Shannon Sharpe:Head coach, main players, especially coming from a team where expected a lot more from Miles Turner is an issue. You played with Bud, Adrian Griffin. Now you play with Doc. You played a couple of other different places. the environment in Milwaukee, underdog. How different was it with Bud? How different was it with Adrian Griffin? What was expected? How was it? I mean, for real, it's a tough job to have, for real. You feel me? When I first got here in Milwaukee, you know, we were a championship team with championship pedigree, with, you know, views of winning the championship. My first year on the team, we ended up winning the chip.
25:30You know what I'm saying? Coach Bud got fired a couple, you know what I'm saying, years later. You know what I'm saying? Coach Bud was just a different coach. He was real strict. He wasn't like a player's coach. He wasn't a coach that let the players, you know what I'm saying, you know what I'm saying, do certain things. He was like a dictator. He wanted to do everything. He wanted to, like, be in control of everything. He was a control freak, but it worked for him, and it worked for us at the time. So it was cool. You know what I'm saying? But you still got guys on your team that's, you know what I'm saying, of caliber, who they is.
26:00They kind of want to, like, open up and be more such and such. You know what I'm saying? We get Adrian Griffin. He was there for a couple months. He's still a great guy. Shout out Adrian Griffin. Then you get Doc Rivers. He's just a super player coach, bro, like super player coach. Always about the players, what the players want. And he's super lenient on certain things. obviously when when Miles and Brianna Stewart their podcast when it shared and aired online if you ain't see my tweet I tweeted like hey bro is this AI you know what I'm saying like you know what I'm saying I don't know what to believe no more for real cause you know it got so much things on here
26:43Shannon Sharpe:business behind closed doors in a public forum I didn't believe that you know what I'm saying I'm like damn like for real so I've been on the team for six years, bro. And, you know what I'm saying? I ain't never seen him, you know what I'm saying, late to anything. Obviously, superstar players, if you play any professional sport, you know what I'm saying? Superstar players get kind of superstar treatment. You know what I'm saying? I'm not here to take up for Giannis or whatever it is. But, you know what I'm saying? After the game, if my man is 40 minutes, 50 minutes late, it's because, goddamn, I done got his body slammed out there on the court.
27:21Shit, I got 30 shit. Nigga done threw me on the ground. Shit, I done got five, six times, hit the floor, 18 times. I got to get my, after the game, shit, motherfuckers live. Motherfuckers get treatment. Motherfuckers got media. So, like, I don't really understand the, oh, yo, we late or whatever it is. I never understood that. But at the same time, I do feel like as a leader of a team who been here for a minute, who been here for six years, like, I had to clear that part up, bro. Like, yeah, like when it's I think it's kind of out of context when a motherfucker like, oh, yeah, motherfucker late.
27:55It might have been like, oh, yeah, like motherfucker after the game or, you know, second treatment after the game. Like this could have like motherfuckers might be late after the game because, you know, I'm saying the bus, the bus took off. They met the plane or whatever it is because somebody was getting treatment. Everybody getting treatment like whatever it is. But it wasn't nothing like our culture messed up or like we over here just running over Doc Rivers or something. I wouldn't put it in that aspect at all, for real.
28:21Shannon Sharpe:But what he said is that we're scheduled to take off from a flight, and the flight might be scheduled to leave at 2.30. He said guys were showing up an hour late, maybe two hours late. He didn't mention anything after the play. Now, hey, I ain't trying to stir up nothing. Hey, man, we can – What did he get – okay, clear this up. What did he get wrong? Because Pat Bell said he played with Milwaukee, and Giannis wasn't never late. So this man just came out and – did he lie? If he lied, just say, hey, man, he lied. Yeah, I think he just kind of got carried away. I think he just kind of got carried away.
28:56Obviously, he got a podcast now and, you know, just, you know what I'm saying, sitting here chatting. Sometimes, for real, for real, on these Zoom calls and things like that, like, you kind of forget that it's live. You kind of forget that it's going to get posted online. You kind of forget all that. You kind of get lost in the conversation. You get lost in doing things. You know what I'm saying? as a human being, I'm a capper. I'm an over-exaggerator too. I ain't going to sit here and lie on nobody or something, but if I'm talking to my homeboy, my friend or something, I might just get him hyped up or something.
29:28Juke the story up a little bit more. I'm here just to say, nah, bro, as a leader of the team who been here six years, who pride myself on respect, who pride myself on winning, building habits, all that, man. It wasn't nothing like that. If anything, if If Big Brother Late, I ain't here to take up, like I said. But Brother Late is from after game, getting treatment because I done went to war tonight. You feel me? Like, that's probably the only time somebody wait on somebody for real.
29:58Shannon Sharpe:What about the meetings? He say meetings, film session, guys come late. Sometimes they wouldn't come. Hey, I'm getting this shit for real shit. I might skip me a treatment session if we in Utah. We got L.A. tonight. We going to L.A. Yeah. I pride me on God to stand out there late. You know what I'm saying? I pride me on God to stand out there late. You know what I'm saying? And get treatment in every time, whatever it is. I might say, hey, no, I don't need no ice today. Go get me in the shower, man. We got LA. We want LA for a couple days. Yeah. LA.
30:34Chad Johnson:You know what I'm saying? Yeah. One of them situations. Hey, I think even listening to BP, you saying Doc Rivers is a player's coach. Doc used to coach veteran guys. So I can see how he's leaning like that. Yes. You know, coaching that Boston Celtics team because when you got – the thing is when your top guys hold each other accountable, bro, the coach ain't really got to do a whole hell of a lot. You know what I mean? And I think Doc has been put in those situations, especially dealing with that Boston team with KG, Ray Allen, and Paul Pierce. Hell, everybody else just kind of fell in line because those guys were, you know, real true leaders.
31:13Chad Johnson:and obviously ended up being champion. It's just tough, though. It's just tough, though. Yeah, think about it, too, though, big bros. Like, we in Milwaukee, and we got championship aspirations. Like, you know what I'm saying? So, like, it's the littlest thing that we do going to get highly, you know what I'm saying, exaggerated because everybody trying to get Giannis to leave. You know, we like everybody trying to stir the narrative up. Like, that's just what it is. So, like, any little thing, any little five game, losing streak, Like, that's been, like, the narrative for, like, five years. So, I kind of just get it, and I kind of just take it with a grain of salt, for real.
31:47Like, ain't nothing wrong with the culture or none of that. I ain't here to dissect team drama like somebody said online. I ain't dissecting no team drama. I call it how I see it. We got a cool-ass team full of 18 guys who messed with each other. We just didn't have a good year this year. That's all it was.
32:04Shannon Sharpe:Let me ask you this. considering what was said, how do you guys, if he's back on the team, now you don't know, I don't know if you talk to Giannis, I don't know, and Jimmy Haslam who owns half of the team, a large chunk of the team says, look, either he signs the extension or he's going to get traded. Now, with that being said, you back in that locker room, Miles Turner comes back. Hey. Hey.
32:43Shannon Sharpe:Hey, BP, cause like you said, you've been there six years. I think you've been in the league, what, 11 years now, BP? 11 years, bro. Yeah, so you know certain things, because, hey, the worst thing is dudes be talking, and they be talking to their girlfriend, their wife, and they be pillow talking, and again, hey. Yeah, man, I would say like this, like, especially if you're on a team that didn't make the playoffs. I think right now in this period, while the season's still going on, while guys about to start ramping their workouts back up, start trending towards their next season, I think it's just super important right now that you kind of just focus on your craft, your body, and your mind.
33:26All the extra stuff that's going on, you can't control. As a pro, you got to control the controllables. That's your work ethic. That's you being a pro every day. And that's you having the right attitude towards what's going on. Obviously, right now, I don't know what's going to happen. I don't know if Yanni's going to be on the team. I don't know if I'm going to be on the team. I don't know who's going to be here. But one thing I'm going to do each and every year is prepare myself for whatever is to come. So when that time comes and we all in the locker room again, whatever it is, it shouldn't be no bad blood, whatever it is.
33:57I'm here to fight. I'm here to win. I'm here to do my job.
34:00Shannon Sharpe:You know what I'm saying? You got to have a conversation on BP. You got to say, hey, bro, bro, look, I understand. We get carried away. Nah, nah, nah. Nah, we get carried. I get it, Cub. We get carried away, Cub. But you put everybody in a bad spot. Yeah, for sure, though. He definitely did. He put everybody in a bad spot. Definitely did. I didn't like that it was a lot of media. Like, my mom and one of my best friends had sent it to me, like, around, like, 3, 3.30 p.m. Central time, bro. And at the time I looked at it and I said, I'm like, damn, like, all right, cool. Like, but then I kept going back and looking at it.
34:36You know what I'm saying? I'm like, damn, like that shit is kind of bad. But I didn't think that shit was going to blow up like it blew up.
34:42Shannon Sharpe:Boy, he said Giannis was coming an hour, two hours late. What you mean, BP? But I didn't think it was going to go like, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, God damn, all these guys were all that crazy. Like, that shit went crazy, bro. Yeah. And then, like, it kind of put, then it kind of put everybody's perspective, like, we ain't being leaders. like we ain't doing all this extra shit but he ain't even like that for real it just got kind of took out of context like you can ask like bro literally we have the same seven people at our airport that want us to sign things literally we have the same same seven people like some some some teams might have 30 people 40 people but you know what i'm saying we got these same dedicated seven people that come want us to sign some every time we take off oh yeah it's gonna be somebody You need to call one of them people right now and ask them who later.
35:31They going to say nobody will later.
35:33Shannon Sharpe:Ever, bro. They want Giannis to stay. Go ahead, Joe.
35:38Chad Johnson:What you want to say? It's going to be a damn team meeting when we link back up. That's what I'm saying. I don't know why BP talking about it.
35:44Shannon Sharpe:I'm going to die. Y 'all, you know goodwill. Somebody done dime that out like that. Joe, the damage is done. It's all you done, though. But I don't want no more damage to be done. There you go. Just because I had one accident, that don't mean I'm going to cancel my insurance. Well, once you snitch, you already snitch.
36:01Chad Johnson:You already stained. Ain't nothing to talk about. They media team, I ain't necessarily just saying like the players, but that media team is probably going to have some one-on-ones or a team or collectively a team unit sit down and be like, hey, look, we got to watch what we say. Look, I think because of how media is evolving and, you know, you got guys with their own podcast now who are currently still playing. Yeah, I think it kind of sways information, meaning I felt like that was too much damn information to give up, bro. It's just certain things you just take with you. However y 'all deal with it, y 'all deal with it.
36:40Chad Johnson:You never go on no podcast and say how your infrastructure is working. Hey, Joe, Uncle BP, there's an unwritten rule in sports. There's an unwritten rule. Nobody has to tell you about that goddamn rule. There's certain things you don't discuss. There's certain things you don't talk about that happens inside locker rooms or structured environments. Nobody has to explain that to you. Uncle, I got a bunch of goddamn stories. We've been on here three years. I have yet to talk about anybody on this goddamn show
37:11Shannon Sharpe:about anything that went on while I was playing. But we also know, Ocho, we know who will talk. And guess what? Hey, what y 'all talking about? Go, huh? we ain't talking about nothing in front of your punk ass because we already know that's what we talking about hey look we've all been in enough locker room we played enough be it high school college pro NBA NFL we know we know what guys will talk because guess what it might not be a situation where they go public it might be a situation where they go talk to it now you know when they cut off them you don't cut off them things they're showdiving out by that.
37:56Chad Johnson:Oh, man. Come on now.
37:58Shannon Sharpe:Oh, so you see your old boy, huh? Who told you that? Yeah. So you ain't got to tell me nothing. So I already know, yes, we're going to have to have a conversation. I ain't going to lie to you, whether you're having a conversation or not, but I'm saying if I was in the locker room in something like that of that magnitude... It's hard for us right now to have a conversation when like the future is just so blurry yeah like the future is so blurry right now that like right now like i said like before like guys need to worry about themselves being the best they can be coming back and trying to change the narrative about whatever you know i'm saying the media has put on them or the team whatever it is because right now bro like like you said bro like you just said like the owner said that by june the draft whatever it is they gonna do something with yannick whatever it is so that's like yeah so like the future blurry so we can't really have them conversations until we know who on the team for real you know what i'm saying like like right now it's mono e mono for real like you could talk to somebody like like you know what i'm saying like see right now you be trying to get in the gym stay ready stay sharp yeah yeah really like after the season though we're like you want to have those conversations and dialect like and and dialogue.
39:19Like, I talked to all my guys. I was just with GT last week. You know what I'm saying? I hang out with all my teammates and talk to them, whatever it is. But that one kind of just stung a little bit. So I'm going to give it a feel.
39:34Shannon Sharpe:I'm just, ooh, I was like, boy, I already knew. When I saw this, I sent it to Ash. I said, Ash, look. I said, boy, this here about to shock the conscience of the NBA. I said, it's not what he said. is what if he said oh there are a lot of people late people could have deduced whatever they wanted nobody would have ever assumed it was yonis the mere fact the mere fact he's like well when she asked who's some of your worst offenders they didn't put the hot light on him they didn't waterboard him they didn't beat him with the telephone book they didn't put no they didn't do none of that oh yonis oh y 'all to be late for about an hour oh god damn you gotta make him extract some information out of it.
40:16Shannon Sharpe:You can't just give it all up. In the military, they say when you get captured behind enemy lines, it's name, rank, serial number. That's all you give them. What's your name? What's your rank? Give me your serial number. Man, he done told them, hey, look, check this out. They're gonna hit y 'all tomorrow about 4 o 'clock.
40:33Chad Johnson:Yeah.
40:35Shannon Sharpe:Whoa, damn! Make them extract that information. Pull a couple of teeth. Shop me. You know what I'm saying, water, boy, don't stop. You just volunteer that information. And now these podcasts, look, the thing is, like, we're live. If you say something on here, even if you say, man, hey, take that, I can't, we can't take it out. Because somebody already, if you go right now, BP, somebody has already taken clips of what you, I, Joe, and Ocho have said and already got it up on their stuff.
41:08Chad Johnson:Yep, yep.
41:09Shannon Sharpe:So we can take it out. Now, there's times that you do stuff that's not live. We could be like, hey, man, can you do a me a favor? When I say such and such, can you take that out? No problem. But when you go live, it ain't no editing. It ain't no take out. It ain't no do over.
41:23Chad Johnson:Yeah, watch what you say type thing. Yes. For real. Hey, and BP, I think the reason why it went viral is because the guys who aren't in you guys' locker room, meaning fans, guys like ourselves, who don't get to see y 'all on a day-to-day basis and the work that y 'all put in, the fact that he spoke about Giannis, it's like everybody look at Giannis as like the hardest worker. You know what I mean? Like he don't take me for a guy who gonna show up late, who gonna half-ass you, who gonna BS you. You know what I mean? Like you got Doc Rivers in this position and you mean to tell me Giannis ain't gonna show up and give him everything he got?
42:01Chad Johnson:So that's why I think it went viral because of Giannis and how we view him. You know what I'm saying? You didn't miss no guy who would be late or half-assing in the weight room or things of that sort. So that's why it was shocking to me. I ain't going to lie. I'm like, damn, hold on. I don't expect that from Giannis. Right. Nah, man. Nah, man. Nah. It wasn't nothing like that. Giannis, the hardest working motherfucker I've been around. Shit. For real, for real. Nah, nah. For real, for real. Shit. That motherfucker live before the game. He live before the game. Anybody say he be on the ground doing all type of crunches and sit-ups and shit.
42:37before the game I'll be like bro you tripping boy because I sit right next to him you know what I'm saying he's been my locker mate for six years I sit right next to him and stuff so like he the hardest worker sometimes you know what I'm saying Doc Rivers he just a real linear coach he a player's coach I fuck with Doc Rivers like super on a on a personal level like I I really love that man he a good dude got a good heart but uh you know what I'm saying sometimes in film or whatever it is clear that part up sometimes in film if you heard it whatever it is Doc T you go over there and get treatment.
43:08Sometimes in practice, if you hurt and you ain't playing, go over there and get treatment. You know what I'm saying? Or whatever it is. Go get your work in. You know what I'm saying? Go to the weight room. Go get some work in or whatever it is. Like I said, I was totally thrown off. I thought it was AI, man. You can go to my tweet. You know what I'm saying? I thought that was AI.
43:24Chad Johnson:I ain't think that was real. Hey, listen. I'm the same way, fellas. It's like, you give me a good players coach and the accountability that I'm going to hold myself to, you know, to show up for him, you know, but make sure I'm ready to play, ain't gonna be BSing. That's how I was when I played, bro. Like those are some of the best coaches, but everybody can't play for coaches like that. Yeah, I love Doc, man. Doc's on like mine.
43:50Shannon Sharpe:Everybody is not mature enough to be responsible enough to handle it like that. Yeah. Because my thing is, don't you mess it up for everybody else because you know how it is. One person messing up, not we all got to come. We all got to do this. We all got to do that because what's the thing? We're a team. Nah, he effed up. Make him run. Define that. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Don't do B-all. And so that was my thing when I played. BP, we're going to get you out here on this one. The Lakers, LeBron James on his podcast, Mind the Game. I think that's the name of it. Mind the Game with Steve. Support for the show comes from Public, the investing platform for those who take it seriously.
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47:30Shannon Sharpe:They did not out-physical us. They did not out-smart us. I feel like we were out-talented by OKC. They just possessed more talent. At the end of the day, we failed in the talent. You can tip your cap to them in understanding that. LeBron also spoke about his future in LA. I'm still in the moment of just taking my time. I haven't really even thought about it much. Obviously, I understand that I'm a free agent. and I can control my own destiny about being here with this franchise for the foreseeable future, or if going somewhere else. But I haven't really gotten to the point, I haven't even taken my family vacation yet, which is going to happen after Memorial Day.
48:10Shannon Sharpe:That's kind of the thing that's in the front of my mind. But I think at some point in June, late June, as July rolls and free agency starts to get going, and July maybe rolls into August, we're kind of starting to get a feel of what my future may look like. BP, where do you think LeBron is playing next season, or do you think he's playing at all?
48:33Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah, look, Jake, man. Leave, man.
48:40Shannon Sharpe:This is for you. This is for you.
48:47Chad Johnson:Hold on. BP, he going to leave Bronny? He going to bring Bronny with him? Pack any with me?
48:55Shannon Sharpe:bring it in with me that we're doing at the crib yeah all books got good endings got storybook endings man I feel like this would be perfect man go to Cleveland they still got a nice team got Donovan Mitchell who can still get off James Harden you got Evan Mobley down low so I don't know they salary cap or if they can, whatever it is, but I'm pretty sure that they can sign and trade somebody or something, right? Some type of sign and trade scenario can happen.
49:31Chad Johnson:Hold on. BP, the man just building a$60 million house in Brentwood? Yeah, I'll be back. I'll be back. We all got a crib somewhere else or something. You know what I'm saying? We all got houses somewhere else or whatever it is, but I'll be back over there. It ain't done being built yet.
49:56Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see. Look, do I believe LeBron has at least thought about it? Absolutely. Yeah. He has. He has because he hadn't been in this situation in a very long time. The last year of his contract, no option to pick up anything like that. The last time that happened, that was in Cleveland. He was on the move. How long ago that's been? He's been in L.A. for eight years. Other than prior to that, he's always had the option. He opted out of the option, and then they re-signed. They signed another two or three or two plus an option, a one plus one or two plus one. So do I believe he's at least thought about it?
50:35Shannon Sharpe:Absolutely. Absolutely. I just dropped the Bob bomb on y 'all. They call that Bob bombs, man. Bob bombs, man. That's called a Bob bomb, man. Y 'all going to reclip this in about two, three months? Y 'all going to reclip this? I'll reclip this, man. Put me back on there, man. Give me some little love. Tag me. Just tag me. Just tag me. Hey, it's a BP said yes in May. Just tag me.
51:00Chad Johnson:At B-Portis time, just tag me, man. Just tag me, man. Man, I don't know, fellas. I mean, BP, that sound good. I ain't going to lie to you. But it's just hard for me to see him leave in L.A. where they got probably the second most cap space. Obviously. They got second most cap space.
51:16Shannon Sharpe:A lot of that, Joe.
51:18Chad Johnson:Huh? They are going to eat up a lot of that. Yeah, hey, hey. Hey, Joe, what's the point of staying there, though, Joe? Think about that. Man, he – What is he saying? He going into year 24. Is he going into year 24 just to play basketball, or is he going into year 24 trying to win a championship? Why the hell would he want to stay in there? Well, I think they got to make some changes to the roster. I don't think he signed back with the Lakers until they really make some changes. But it's going to be some other teams who are going to be flirting with him. Hey, so question, bro. So question. So, like, LeBron, like, he just a straight-up free agent or something?
51:52Chad Johnson:Yes. Yeah. So, question, like, in free agency with the Lakers, are they going to wait on him to make a decision, though? Like, with the money, with the cap space? No. I don't think so. So, like, that's the first domino right there, then. Yep. Domino coming up soon, in about a month. About five, six weeks. BP, you know, you heard Luka. he said he don't want to trade AR for no other superstar, so he want AR to come back. I think what you have is if you give AR a max contract, what's that, about$250? Yep. He going to eat up so much of the cap. Can you bring Rui back? You ain't going to be able to bring Rui back.
52:35Shannon Sharpe:Might not even bring – because if DA has a player option, Marcus Smart has a player option, Kennard is an unrestricted free agent, LeBron is an unrestricted free agent. They need a lot. They need three and D. Their problem is they cannot defend. As many points as Luke and AR, let's just say for the sake of argument, they give you 56. They're going to give up 46. You got to bring backcourt in basketball. Let's not sugarcoat it. I don't want you to comment on that. But I'm just saying Joe, Ocho, and I, we know they're the best, worst defending backcourt in basketball. Now, they only really got one guy that can defend on the perimeter.
53:15Chad Johnson:Smart.
53:16Shannon Sharpe:That's their problem. Marcus Martin.
53:18Chad Johnson:You got to bring him back. Got to. You got to bring Smart back. I don't care. They got no choice. Yeah. They got nobody that can defend. For what price, though? For what price, though? I don't know. He probably going to want him with a nice little three-year deal.
53:35Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. And if they don't give it to me, I've shown that I'm still a valuable commodity on the defensive end. I'll give you a couple points. I'll give you 10, 12. But my worth, I take charges. I defend at an elite level. I can rebound the basketball. Now, if y 'all think, look, I've proved myself. I've proven that I can still play at a level. Now, I want to be compensated for that. Yeah.
54:00Chad Johnson:He changes the trajectory of a game when he comes in just by bringing that junkyard dog mentality. You know what I mean? willing to defend, willing to do the dirty work that a lot of guys ain't willing to do, bro. They'll pay for that.
54:15Shannon Sharpe:Yes. And you see how valuable defenders are. Look at OKC. Look at the Spurs. Now, they're young. Marcus Martin is probably 32. I don't know what he is, BP. 32, 33. He might be your age or a couple years older than you. He's 32. He's one year older than me. He's one year older than me. So 32-33. Yeah. They've got some decisions to make. Because guess what? Even you bring Luka back, even though you bring AR back, you're still not better than San Antonio. You're still not better than OKC. And you're still not better than the Nuggets. So even with that back, guess where you are? You're still the four seed.
55:03Shannon Sharpe:That's if everything goes right. They ain't better than the Rockets? They the fourth seed. They were the fourth seed. Rockets were the fifth seed. They beat the Rockets this year, though. But let me ask you a question. If Luka and AR comes back, are they better than OKC? If Luka play the series different against OKC. Luka beat OKC in 2024. Let's talk about it. But he did. But he didn't have these pieces what he has now, OKC. Shea wasn't what he is now in OKC. Are they better than the Spurs? Nah.
55:39Chad Johnson:No.
55:40Shannon Sharpe:They can't defend. You got to realize, what did Luka have? Yeah. And Mavs. The Mavs. 3 and D guys. Wasn't Finney Smith there? When didn't he have a grabber? Finney Smith won there in that championship year, though. He got traded. Who was their defender? Pull up that team. They had Derrick Jones Jr. Derrick Jones Jr. P.J. Washington. Rodley Gafford. P.J. Washington. Yeah, they have some junkyard dog guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have some junkyard dog guys, yeah. They got that in L.A.? What's Rui? Rui not junk dog? No, Rui. Stop. Rui is a school. Rui ain't defending. Oh, Aiton. Oh, Aiton defending?
56:27Shannon Sharpe:You talking about the guy that – you like Aiton? You can have him.
56:32Chad Johnson:Aiton. Aiton.
56:33Shannon Sharpe:You can have him.
56:35Chad Johnson:Hey, I knew it was bad when the Lakers threw Cleveland out there trying to get something out of here. Thank you.
56:39Shannon Sharpe:Thank you. Yeah, that last play, that threw me so far off. That threw me so far off. I know Rui was hot on the sideline. Like, why am I? I hit about five trades tonight. I should be running out of here. Rui going to get paid. As a matter of fact, he should have been one taking the shot.
56:56Chad Johnson:Yeah. Yeah. Rui going to get paid. Hey, Ocho, who you got? Where you got Bruin going, man? What's your team? Honestly, I mean, when I think about it and understand that Woody won't, I mean, you don't want to waste another year like you did here with the Lakers. I think he would want an opportunity to compete and play for a championship, obviously being the third option yet again. So he'll go to a team that is, that already had the two-headed monster. I just feel like, man. It's tough, man. You can't even say a team. i i honestly i can't even think of nothing i'm just being honest there's no reason to play going into year 24 and going somewhere and be right back home which you just left
57:42Shannon Sharpe:let's go home bro let me ask you a question in your basketball life have you ever seen a guy retire averaging 20 with no injuries averaging 27 and 7. 20.7 rebounds seven assists tell me the year no matter how whether it was 10 year, 12 year, 15, 24. Tell me the guy that has retired averaging 27 and 7, shooting 52 % from the floor.
58:07Chad Johnson:Nah, he ain't retired.
58:08Shannon Sharpe:Hold on, Joe. I want BP. BP say just go home. So I want BP. You said go home. No, he said go home back to Cleveland. He meant back to Cleveland. Go home. He ain't going to Cleveland. That's what he meant by go home. I thought you said go home. No, no. I'm saying go home. No, no, no. Yeah, Steve, man. When are they going to get ripped? So you want, so Bron, Mitchell, Harden, Mobley. I don't know. I got to have Bron, Mitchell, and Mobley on my team. I don't know. Everybody else, I don't know. You know what I'm saying? I got to have Mobley. I got to find a way to keep Mobley. I can make him a five, maybe make Bron a four.
58:51You feel me? Give me a three and D in there at a three. Keep Mitchell. Ain't no telling what I can do with my one for real. Depending on how much Harden won't, you know what I'm saying, I can get him so I can keep him. You know what I'm saying?
59:03Shannon Sharpe:You're going to want a three-year deal probably around 90. I mean, it depends. Yeah, he's going to want him.
59:11Chad Johnson:They got his beard right.
59:12Shannon Sharpe:They got his beard right so they can do what they want to do with him for real. You feel me?
59:16Chad Johnson:So, I don't know, man.
59:17Shannon Sharpe:On that championship team, it was Luka, Kyrie, P.J. Washington, Derrick Jones Jr., Daniel Gafford, Derrick Lively II, Josh Green, Hardaway Jr., Jayden Hardy, Maxi Kleber, Marquise Morris, Dante Exum, A.J. Lawrence, and Dwight Powell. Yeah. Say the bench again. Luca, Kyrie, P.J. Washington, Derrick Jones Jr., Derrick Gafford, and then you had Derrick Lively II, Josh Green, Tim Hardaway Jr., Jaden Hardy, Maxi Kleber, Dante Exum, Markeith Morris, A.J. Lawson, Dwight Powell. And what was the final? It was 4-1? Nah, I think they got swept by Boston, didn't they? Yeah, they got swept. They ain't winning no damn game.
1:00:06Oh, I don't know. Where you going with that, Ross? You said he got past the thunder.
1:00:15Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, he got past the thunder. 4-1. 4-1. They got beat 4-1, Joe.
1:00:19Chad Johnson:Oh, 4-1? Yeah. But I'm saying, though, like you said that, you know what I'm saying, for Bron to win the championship or whatever it is. No, no, no. We were talking about Luka. You said Luka got past that. I said even if they bring Luka and A.R. back,
1:00:33Shannon Sharpe:are they better than OKC as concurrently as good with OKC? Nah, I don't think nobody. Nobody. OKC and OKC. Are they better than San Antonio? Nah. Are they better with Denver with Aaron Gorin being on the right? roster because Aaron Goren got hurt. So are they better than Denver? So I said they were four at best. Because who they got to deal with? Who they got to deal with Jokic? And they can't defend Murray because you know what gives the Lakers problem. If you go back and look at the Lakers over the last five years, every guard that's quick, give them a problem. From Jamar Murray to De 'Aaron Fox.
1:01:13Shannon Sharpe:I don't know. So do you think the Timberwolves better? Is the Timberwolves better than the Lakers without Brown? They put them out. They put them out with Luka and LeBron and they are. You remember? Is the Timberwolves better than the Lakers without Brown? Yes. The Timberwolves beat them with LeBron. They the four best team. So the Lakers like five, six. But see, that's what I said. I said they're four at best. At the absolute best, they're four. I think what's taken for granted here is that the Lakers didn't have Luka in this postseason,
1:01:48Chad Johnson:the leading sport in the NBA. You look at the Thunder. They didn't have Jalen Williams in that series against the Lakers. I just feel like you're missing such a huge piece from the Lakers. Yeah, bro. I know y 'all think I'm crazy when I say that, but I think it would have probably been a totally different series had you had Luka. Oh, me too. Me too. Me too. But if he averaging damn 30, 35 points a night, come on, man. I think that's a huge difference.
1:02:16Shannon Sharpe:But who are you going to stop, though, Joe? Who can they stop? Because every time – if you go back and look at them in a clutch situation, they put two guys in the pick and roll. They put Austin Reeves and they put Luka Doncic. As great as he is offensively, go back and look at every clutch situation that the Lakers getting in. Who do they go to? You're right. For him, whoever he's guarding, they say, come set the pick. I want Luca. You're right. Whoever A.R. is guarding, they say come set the pick, I want him.
1:02:43Chad Johnson:You're right. That's just facts. What I'm saying is, you're right about that, but what I'm saying, his offense is his damn defense. You know what I mean? That's how he offsets it. Yeah, right. Look, I'm going to come out and give y 'all 35. Now, my man may have 30, but hell, I'm going to do my job. That's all I'm saying. I just feel the way he plays the game offensively and passes and make guys around him better and score the basketball, you can't eliminate that. Man, get to the bonus. He put the team in the bonus early. Throw his head back, get a foul. You're in the bonus with five, six minutes left in the first, second quarter, third quarter, you know what I'm saying?
1:03:25That's extra points and shit.
1:03:26Shannon Sharpe:But the problem is that you have is when he goes to the bench. See, when Shea goes to the bench, you saw him like this. but it wouldn't though because when Luka goes to the bench, Bron then the problem was right now they come with Caruso they come with Case and Wallace, they come with Isaiah Joe, they come with all those other guys, you think about Shea was in foul trouble, Shea go to the bench, they're down six, he comes back in the ball game, they're up nine what other team can give you that
1:03:54Chad Johnson:well look at this they made a trade the Knicks can they made a trade and brought Marcus Smart over. You guys, look, understand something, but when the Lakers played the Thunder, now we know A.J. Mitchell had a hell of a series, but outside of that last game, Shade never got loose from them. I thought Marcus Smart done a hell of a job in being physical and making it tough on them. Now, if I got my 33-point score next to me with Marcus Smart, man, it could be a different series. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. But now you're going to have, but see,
1:04:31Shannon Sharpe:Okay, so who do we start? Because I can't start. So you want to start Marcus Smart, Oscar Reeves, Luka Doncic, LeBron James, and DeAndre Ayton, right? So now you got three terrible defenders on the court. With Luka, A-R, and D-A.
1:04:50Chad Johnson:I ain't going to lie to you. I ain't talking about starting Smart because I feel like he's an igniter, meaning the times he's came off the bench and the Lakers have been in these lows, he's managed defensively just by being disruptive, you know, giving them extra possessions, whether it's defensively picking his man up, picking his pocket, just getting momentum boosts. You know what I mean? I ain't saying you got to start him, but you need guys like that, especially if you got Luka and AR at the one and two.
1:05:17Shannon Sharpe:But just imagine if you don't start him, who guards Shea? Now you don't let Shea get his rhythm. Once he gets his rhythm, I don't give you them. You get Marcus Smart, Maxwell Smart, Keith Smart. He going for 40. Who you saying? Say that again. Who that? Who you saying? He can get Marcus Smart, Maxwell Smart, Keith Smart.
1:05:39Chad Johnson:He going for 40. Hey, hey. And that's what you're dealing with when you the Lakers. Hell, Luka averaging 20 points in the first quarter. He is. Hey, man. I'm just saying momentum is a real thing. And without Luka, I don't feel like the Lakers get a real fair assessment on where they could have really went.
1:06:03Shannon Sharpe:I thought you was a Laker fan, huh? Oh, I'm a Laker. I'm a LeBron fan, but I'm a realist. That's what I am. I'm a realist. And at the end of the day, and you know playoff basketball comes down to defense. Yeah. You got to get stops. And when the Lakers had to leave, they couldn't get a stop. They couldn't get a stop. It's hard. You put so much pressure on your team when you're defensively challenged because guess what? Both guys get broken down off the rim. Once you get broken down off the rim, you know this, VP. You had the team's mercy. They get whatever they want. They done broke Luka down.
1:06:46Shannon Sharpe:They done broke AR down off the rim. They get to the float game. They get wide open threes or they get lobs at the rim. The same thing, remember what they did to James Harden in game one? When they went 11 straight. Yeah. Brunson did what? 11 straight. And then when he came, I got the lob right here. Boom. And then guess what? When they came to help, I kicked. Boom.
1:07:10Shannon Sharpe:At some point in time, like you say, you know what? God dang it, you ain't finna beat me.
1:07:15Chad Johnson:Right. Thanks.
1:07:17Shannon Sharpe:I refused to. And then D.A., I don't know what D.A. did. I mean, we recommended that he go try to apply for his CDL. We don't know how that's going to turn out for him. But, hey, that was a recommendation. I just wish he had some consistency. I wish he just, like, cared a little bit about this much.
1:07:39Chad Johnson:Give you a little more effort.
1:07:40Shannon Sharpe:Oh, my goodness. How you going to be okay with two points? You play 30 minutes and you okay with two points, four points and three rebounds at seven foot.
1:07:54Shannon Sharpe:I don't know. We're going to see. We're going to see. Hey, BP, man, thank you, man. Thanks for coming on, bro. We appreciate that. I appreciate y 'all for having me on here, man. This was fun. Hey, finals, we're going to call you back. We're going to see what you're talking about in the finals. Come on, man. Call me back. Read me, man. I'm always around. I be doing stuff with Finn, do it running back all the way every week. So just to let it go.
1:08:16Chad Johnson:Hey, good to see you, bro. Likewise, bro. Likewise. Yes, sir. Hey, BB, make sure you in that lab. I'm in that lab every day, bro. That's where I'm here. Hey, Ocho, I started with 60 players in my draft, bro. There's only nine players left in my draft. I'm one of them. Seven years later, bro, I'm still going. Yeah. Okay. Guys like Joe, where I'm from, the coolest new inspired young nigga like me. Yeah. Yeah. Got to keep... That's real... I got it. Yeah, that's real touching. I ain't trying to hit that shit. Hey, I'm trying to hit that. Hey, hey, hey, hey, BP, don't worry. I'm going to give his ass some humble pie.
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